Trolley Problem But The Trains Move
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- They added Create mod to the trolley problem so now we can get hit by real trains which is exciting.
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So he changed the trolley problem from being a moral dilemma into whether or not he will be liable for their deaths.
Adding realism at the cost of completely ruining the whole point of it
@@toastr1255 ...no. it's a thought experiment, he has a specific way of thinking about it. I think he's wrong and it's pretty absurd to value liability over 4 lives but it doesn't ruin the point
Personal responsibility is how I solve the trolley problem every time. Touching the switch is murder. Doing nothing is an act of god.
Which is a part of the moral and ethical dilemma
honestly, which ruins the entirety of trolley problem, always making you choose "do nothing" .-.
16:07 The genie is probably deaf so you couldn't just yell "I wish I wasn't on the train tracks!" to him, thus solving the issue with no deaths.
The title is wrong. It should be "Trolly Problem but there's a Liability Standpoint"
😂😂😂
@@AiyetoroFeligrus Bro... he was just making a joke about Caps continuous use of the word 'liability' throughout the vid.
Edit: @AiyetoroFeligrus Did you just delete your comment 😂😂
That's already part of the original trolley problem in my opinion.
i thousandth this
@@billotron5521nope, it's about a moral dilemma not insurance liability
33:17 "He didn't die!"
"Killed" counter: increases by one
The mental gymnastics Jardon will go through to avoid resolving a moral dilemma is truly astonishing
Liability is a realistic part of moral dilemmas.
@@danij5055 It skirts around the focus of the moral dilemma, which is intended to make you weigh life’s of people and make decisions based on morals, not based on liabilities
@@peteallred2297 No. It's meant to show how each person makes decisions and what factors they individually use to come to the conclusions they do. This includes their choice of including liability or not.
@@danij5055 No, it is simply a question asking if it is moral to kill one person and save five or kill five and save one person. It has nothing to do with liability or anything like that. It is simply a moral question.
I was honestly expecting him to be teleported to the tracks and be run over by the snail train, but the sudden death was funnier!
I'm glad you enjoyed that one, it was my personal fav to add to the map :)
Jordan has the sketchiest reasoning for why he chooses what he chooses but by god its hilarious to watch
His reasoning is really funny. I just hope he's not like that IRL.
@Roescoe I doubt it. He's just making a funny video.
@@billotron5521 Seems so. He's very responsible IRL from what I've seen.
The basic original trolley problem has always been tricky for me cuz yeah it’s 5 vs 1 to die but also a failure to save isn’t murder, but actively diverting the trolley elsewhere to knowingly hit someone is murder.
yeah but being in this scenario, not doing anything is still a choice the same way actively diverting it is, either way you're directly responsible for the lives or deaths of 6 people
Or just switch it twice to try to make half the locomotive go one way and the other half go the other way, thus derailing the train. Depending on how close to the switch these people were, you might save them all or you might kill them all, but at least you can look like you took the unconventional approach and TRIED to get the best scenario, so even if it ended up killing them all, you might still look like you tried your damn hardest to save them all. But also the thing with the trolley problem is that in the situation it provides, you're basically going to be liable no matter what, so realistically speaking, no ending is good here, at all
It's why I like the variation where you push a guy off a bridge in order to stop the trolley going towards 5 people. If you're not willing to directly kill one person, you shouldn't be flipping the switch either.
@@TriplePProductionz It is a choice? Yes.
But it is not murder. If you hadn't been there the outcome would be the same as if you did nothing, so it's not your responsibility at all.
Else you could say you are responsible for all deaths in the world, because if you were there you could have prevented it.
@@midlifehemi88if the train derails, then you'd be responsible for the people _on_ the Trolley should they die.
"If I divert a train to a small child, I will be cancelled on twitter" 😂I think that is the least of your concerns
This is uniroinically the most sociopathic trolley problem video I've ever seen, and I want this to be a Jordan Reacts series.
The train hitting the wall sadly isn't a create mod thing, the map just detected the train and destroyed the wall, playing an explosion sound
Even simpler, it's just a timer because I know how long the train takes to get to the wall
Philosophers : The trolley problem is a difficult moral question that reveals much about human nature and the inner workings on the mind!
Jardon : Liability tho
Thus revealing about Jordan's mind. The trolley problem is meant to show a person's thought process, what they value, and how much they value things. For Jordan, liability takes precedence. For others, it might be other things. The trolley problem is still doing it's job.
@@danij5055 oh yeah for sure it's just really funny XD
@@thegamedevcaveThat said, I did add the video to my Hilarious playlist 😂
With all the LegalEagle shoutouts, I hope he actually picks this video up 😂😂😂😂
18:00 For the double or nothing scenario it would only take 33 people to pick double before you reach the current human population on the world
I wonder whether you could still just keep endlessly doubling. Although imo in any case the most ethical thing to do would be to minimize the deaths for good and have one person killed, in case the choice would eventually be handed to someone murderous for example.
The issue I face with the trolley dilemma is that as you're technically always liable for your action. As soon as you're put into that situation and given the details of the outcomes, if you now "do nothing" and don't pull the lever, it's still an active decision you made.
At 17:58 , the 32nd person to gets to choose between doubling to kill the entire world or killing half the population like thanos...
18:29 you see 8 ppl died in the counter, so it doubled 2 more times
Nice catch I didn't notice that!
Your honor, I just wanted to see what would happen.
20:30 how can I die from a train falling on my house.
Well the AN-225 DID transport a train or locomotive, so all it takes is for someone to actively set the train free at 10000 feet and it finding Jardon.
Would sadly end Jardons Cardons and Jardons Gasdons.
absolutely perfect execution of the "double it and give it to the next person" format
Legally throwing a switch on a trail track is a felony so the fact someone dies is just an added charge
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Trolley problem is that you are responsible for the lever (imagine you work on the rails) so all unalives from not pulling lever are liable to you. Just in case you misunderstood that part.
Someone should ask @LegalEagle to do one of his law reviews on this video an tell us just how much in fines/jail time that @CaptainSparklez2 is on the hook for since he asked for it!
I'm impressed by how many people completely miss the point of the trolley problem and dump on his approach. The whole point is to apply some kind of moral or ethical thought to it. Utilitarianism directs to minimize lives lost, but many other systems would tend more towards doing nothing approach as in this video. It can be argued that the act of doing something constitutes murder in the case of this problem, and inaction does not. Viewing it through the lens of liability does present a fairly consistent set of results and they are based around the idea of personal risk mitigation. Is it ethical? Debatable - I mean, that's the whole bloody point innit? There is literally no "correct" answer to these problems because they're dumb, contrived scenarios.
The people that are filming the situation should be responsible for not helping to get the other people off the tracks
You may not be liable for the villagers, but you are liable for saying liability
The trolley problem is a moral question not a liability one 😂😂😂 there's no legal framework involved.
We've got five people stuck to the tracks screaming in terror and for help, sparklez tied to the other with a gun he's not interested in just shouting at the top of his lungs to the lever puller "LIABILITY!!!!!" over and over
16:57 The way the Cap leans in to get a closer look at the "genie" lolol
Actual psychopath
"I could be sued if I do anything so I won't even try to save lives"
The correct answer to the trolley problem is to pull the lever **while the trolley is on the switch,** derailing it and saving everyone.
Heyyyy I was gonna do that
Eh, I still will.
prolly would be higher quality if you made it lol
Jokes on you those 5 people's families will sue you for NOT doing anything when you could of saved them. 😑
Leave it to Jardoon to care more about whether the action will cost him money than whether it kills people...
I mean not money per say but jail time but again It was an interesting take that seemed less morality lol
Yes, of course I would. I hate not knowing when I’m going to die, I want to know when I’m going to die and I can be certain of when I die if I make myself get hit by a train. 11:36
18:48 but you're choosing either to have 1 person die or guaranteeing that at least two people will die later so you're not just giving responsibility to someone else. You're both making someone else suffer the trolley problem and guilt WHILE killing others.
Ngl this could all be done with command blocks and much more polished and nice. Maybe I will do that at some point.
"If I stay away from traintracks.. It won't just fall on my head, right?"
Asdfmovie: Hold my beer.
i like the liability angle.... its a very jardon solution
You know, I never thought I'd see a video where Jardon goes on for a full minute about things coming at his face...
I now hope someone makes a sparklez themed trolley problem map. Do nothing and alt world Dnite gets hit, pull the lever and jerry gets splattered
i love your freshly peeled head jardon
32:55 love the movement here, beeg jumps
First trolley problem you can be sued for negligence probably if you're capable of changing
Jardon never underestimate an Americans ability to sue someone for doing nothing.
2:43, you can be sued for criminal neglect
Jardoons biggest concern is being canceled on twitter for killing a small child
Sounds like he should get cancelled on twitter for that.
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I agree but this wasnt made by henzoid
@@PG_14omg embarrassing for me i heard henzoid and my brain checked out 💀💔
Wait until Jardon finds out that the Trolley Problem is literally about Liability and not about the Needs of the Many
the question that the Trolley Problem is trying to solve isnt whether you save more people, its whether your choice to save people makes you responsible for the death of the one person.
Liability of the mind. Could you live with yourself if you pulled the lever killing someone if it saved 3 others. Could you live with yourself. Jardoon keeps bringing up being sued and losing money. Its not about that form of liability
Ask not for whom the train goes - it goes for thee.
Another lawyer made a video about the trolley problem.
By choosing to kill the 10y old child instead of the child's family and friends Jardon deprived the world of a Batman and was thereby responible for the deaths of many more innocent people.
JARDON i just realised why the genie was deaf! its so he cant hear you if you were to yell a wish to save both of you or wish for the train to stop. he cant hear you and you cant see each other bc of the wall!
All it would take is 34 people for it to end all life with the doubling question
This is why its illegal to walk or be on train tracks
Oh, the deaf genie can’t hear you wish to survive or the train not to hit you
Captain, the liability factor takes away from the point of these. That should only be factored in when it says something like “you are being filmed” as you saw.
Not wrong, it's a thought experiment, and his thoughts go to liability. Which is sad that it does
We live in a society. A society has rules and laws. You can't just ignore it because "muh thought experiment", otherwise serial killers would be roaming the streets with complete impunity.
@@Wheres_my_Dragonatorexcept you ignore it all because thought experiment. Do you worry about killing people in games? Serial killers going around killing people would be a real world thing. Horrible horrible argument
We love the reasoning behind moral dilemmas
jordans loss here is that he fails to recognize the duty to rescue and good samaritan laws that would get him sued in his liability standpoint choices.
this video is the reason i had a dream about trains and thank you 🙏
In the one where the engineer can see, as a person who knows people, an engineer would much rather kill one person than 5.
(not a lawyer) i looked it up and i think if you were in a trolley problem where your life was at stake it could be called a "justified homicide" so long as you could prove you had no ability to escape the situation and you had a convincing enough reason to believe that your life was in danger. i could not find any examples where the homicide resulted in the death of a third party bystander instead of the alleged assailant (who in this case would be the trolley conductor most likely) but you could probably argue that this qualifies
Tbh the liability thing doesnt really matter bc how will their family know
in US there's also the good Samaritan law so you can't be sued for trying to save someone
Is the 'doing nothing because then they can't sue me' actually true? Like, isn't not helping in an emergency a crime? Wouldn't the families of the 5 people be able to argue that?
I hate the whole 'liability'-shtick. Like, imagine someone's drowning, but when you save them you acidentally hit their head, causing a small wound (they could sue). But if you don't do anything they will die, would you just let them drown?
Trolley bring big problems to home and the nothing doing no work and suffering from the bad works not being elite and then the counts going up high and then just going elite but yes the fun plays going well and the Jardon being in the Map good
I saw a video once where this was done in real life. Noone does but the people didn't know that. It's so interesting.
39:35 But the conductor already died in scenario 5
"blinding the conductor" REALLY pains me to hear, as the conductor is not the person which drives the train
You knew what they meant tho
@@billotron5521 doesn't mean it wasn't painfull
the killed counter is a bit off, theres a few times where it will add numbers, even though the train diverted, just a fyi
Liability can also be seen from a personal standpoint. Did you knowingly do nothing, allowing deaths, or did you intentionally act, causing one person's death and have to live with your guilt.
I think the trolley problem has the important caveat that you need to consider:
there's a reason why the train is on this track and not that track. You don't know if the other track is even functional. Sure, by diverting the train you may save those 5 people (who...why were they even there in the first place? Since they know it's an active train track, don't they have a plan to get off? The person on the other track definitely wasn't expecting a train to go down it, so he might not notice in time) but you also might derail the train and kill hundreds more people at the same time when the train derails and hits a school bus, a nursing home, and an ambulance. Is it worth it to chance derailing a train and killing hundreds just to guarantee to kill that one person instead of maybe killing five other people who may or may not have a plan to get off the track in time?
You're liable no matter what you do, yea
The liability kinda removes most of the point, but still interesting in another way
There better be some trussy in this map
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The kill counts increases no matter what you do sometimes, thats weird. Killed noone and you still got 5 kills.
18:50 he even got 8 kills on his counter because the person in the future who was met with "8 people or double for the next" didn't pull the lever.
Which makes no sense, captain sparklez is not responsible for the death of those 8 people.
Trolley hurt
12:00 you wouldn’t be charged with murder but self defence doesn’t extend to the death of an other person so you would be charged with manslaughter
If you're thinking in liability terms, there is also negligence. You may be on the hook for willful negligence. I'm not an attorney, but it may be a consideration.
I'm pretty sure it would only count as negligence if diverting the train wouldn't also lead to harm
30:27 If you pull the lever, the child will become Batman
To answer how many doubles it would take to get to world pop. Is between 32 and 33 times
double it and give it to the next person
greater good theory would make this so different
Bro thinking only about liability and not people's lives is wildly selfish that's crazyyy
21:54. Maths nerd here. 52 1/2% is not a percentage. If you want to have half a percent of a unit, it would be 52.5% not 52 1/2% as that's mixing percentage and fractions
You're liable for all deaths and injuries as your inputs could change the outcome.
Love the video!
Self preservation for sure Innocent
18 unalives were added in the double or nothing scenario, how is 18 the number added? It's not a power of 2 😮
So... at what point did you all put the video on 2x speed?
For me it was around the 10:40 mark. :)
At 23:40 he hits do nothing so the train should go forward and kill the person
Twitter would cancel you, but on X you can get monetized.
Unfortunately, doing nothing means you are loitering.
12:15 Legal Eagle isn’t the greatest source for the law, even as TH-cam lawyers go
10 scooter anklers
He frogot that in the second scenario that if he dosent let the 10 suicidal people die then theyl prob sue him
Jardon's liability-based decision-making really gives you a peak into the way that rich people (him) think about everyone else and the value of their lives vs his comfort/wellbeing/money. It's also a peak into how our society and laws have gotten so far off track that it disincentives people to do good and save people's lives.
womp womp
Nah fam. Being rich doesn't make you think that way.
If that happened. I would be to terrified to touch the lever. If I could move I would run off the cliff. I'd never be able to deal with the mental/emotional consequences.
While I do agree with your premise in a general sense, I don't really agree with the characterization of Jardon. I suspect he wasn't trying to be too serious about the video.
And who is this conductor, Alec Baldwin?
37:37 Why did the kill count go from 43 to 49? 🙄