Although I said it before, I hope you are doing more of these and in detail. Although here we are using LoRa set-ups with ATAK your additional information helps as I move back into digital [yes, we were doing some of this about 2008...it increased distance of those VHF rigs considerably. Even had it set up in my truck back then]. For us, I want those capabilities in VHF/UHF/HF...which of course includes MURS, FRS, GMRS stuff. I personally just feel we will need that flexibility and redundancy. Oh, and sorry you took so much flack on this one. Ham's must come to understand that the other radio communication types [and those that operate within] are their brothers in a world gone bad...and yes, I "R" one :)
Just to confirm, will this work over my DMR channels or does it need to be analog? If so, then one wouldn't need to use the Paranoid text encryptor because it COULD be encrypted thru the radio natively correct?
Hi Great Video, which digirig did you get for the xts5000- the logic levels default? Also, since the messaging is sent unencrypted, copy and pasting into another app is slight cumbersome but doable. Do you think a more viable solution. Is to just have a mesh tastic device on you for texting encrypted?
There are of course better ways to set up a lot of this. However, this is relatively inexpensive to set up and does not require many steps to set up. Making it a great option for new comers (which is the target of this video). We used the default Logic Levels Digirig
It sure does but unfortunately there is a huge EMSEC vulnerability baked into P25 texting protocol that allows a fairly low lever actor to ping radios on demand without the knowledge of the radio user.
Depends on the scenario. A community defense force may use it to send reports from a LPOP to a TOC. Where as a preparedness group (like a MAG) may use it as their base form of local comms when cellphones go down.
During a comms down scenario, weather reports, mass casualty reports. Community data nets for those of us IT needs that know how to run that type of net. That's just the tip.
@EverydayCitizensTactical thank you. What does it sound like when transmitting? Does it take a lot of bandwidth to send typical sms length messages? My projected use case is to use available repeaters to stealthily send messages/instructions to family members in case of an emergency. So very low volume and very occasional transmission.
A few comments: 1)If a person is using a baofeng radio, this is probably above their requirements. 2) if you have moto XTS/XTL radios, use AES to encrypt your voice. Although I enjoyed your video, the subject is like trying to teach someone how to use a NV scope on a ruger 10/22.
You completely miss the point of data bursts. Go rewatch the first part of the video since you obviously didn’t pay attention. An encrypted voice message can be DFed much earlier than an encrypted text message due to transmission time.
Encryption is not legal in the US on ham radio. From 47 CFR 97.113(a): "No amateur station shall transmit (...) messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning"
I’m an Amateur Radio Operator. The frequency used in this demonstration is not legal for anyone to use without a General class amateur radio operator license or above. Granted in a SHTF scenario this won’t matter, but for now, you can be heavily fined for operating on the frequency shown without a license. Also, it is equally illegal to use encryption. Best of luck.
Hey man I appreciate your comment, I have regularly spoken on local repeaters without a license. I actually start my transmissions by saying “I’m transmitting without a license”. Nobody cares about your stupid rules. We all know that this type of stuff pisses you off, you don’t need to keep reminding us.
@@garretr4488 You’re right. I should have realized it because of the radio he’s using. Clearly he’s not transmitting in the 20m HF band from that radio. He is, however likely transmitting in the VHF/UHF bands which have the same restrictions, though the Novice class license can transmit there. The Novice license is an easy test, and I highly recommend if you want to transmit on those frequencies to get the license.
First, this is the wrong tool applied to the problem. Will it work? Sure. But, there are better digital amateur radio solutions for these types of messages that are more approachable to the average Joe. Second, you are sending encryption. This is illegal outside of certain situations.
This video is purposely made for the newest and most inexperienced folks in order to get them engaged and interested in this realm of comms. This is not for convincing experince me operators with years of experience. Additionally, there is a giant warning at the beginning of the video for your second point.
@@hooks4638 Really? That's your response. I encourage experimentation. Admittedly missed the intro warning, but FLDigi is not the best tool here. I find it unstable and difficult to setup/use. Sure, extremely flexible, but the target audience was newbies. I'd probably start with Winlink P2P or VaraAC. Both support file transfer and are more plug-n-play. Another option is to use HF DStar, but that requires equipment. In the end, it is not helpful to through insults around when you know nothing.
There are pros and cons to every mode/ application. FLdigi is simple to use, supports MANY different modulation protocols, and when used with FLamp offers great capabilities for secure data transmissions.
Depends on the environment, but if a ton of people are using them, no worries. If only you and your adversary are, then it's like a flashlight in the dark. Helpful, but makes its origin a point of interest. Always adjust accordingly.
Great step by step setup and introduction to FLDigi! Thanks for the shout out! 👊
Although I said it before, I hope you are doing more of these and in detail. Although here we are using LoRa set-ups with ATAK your additional information helps as I move back into digital [yes, we were doing some of this about 2008...it increased distance of those VHF rigs considerably. Even had it set up in my truck back then]. For us, I want those capabilities in VHF/UHF/HF...which of course includes MURS, FRS, GMRS stuff. I personally just feel we will need that flexibility and redundancy. Oh, and sorry you took so much flack on this one. Ham's must come to understand that the other radio communication types [and those that operate within] are their brothers in a world gone bad...and yes, I "R" one :)
We've just went to radio comms. Currently naming land marks with names not on maps. Moving forward with communication of different types.
Always good to expand capabilities.
Brushbeater has a exciting and great training on this
Just to confirm, will this work over my DMR channels or does it need to be analog? If so, then one wouldn't need to use the Paranoid text encryptor because it COULD be encrypted thru the radio natively correct?
Hi Great Video, which digirig did you get for the xts5000- the logic levels default? Also, since the messaging is sent unencrypted, copy and pasting into another app is slight cumbersome but doable. Do you think a more viable solution. Is to just have a mesh tastic device on you for texting encrypted?
There are of course better ways to set up a lot of this. However, this is relatively inexpensive to set up and does not require many steps to set up. Making it a great option for new comers (which is the target of this video).
We used the default Logic Levels Digirig
Doesn’t the xts5000 natively send encrypted text/SMS?
Yes...if the UCM module is installed and the algorithm has a proper key.
lul
It sure does but unfortunately there is a huge EMSEC vulnerability baked into P25 texting protocol that allows a fairly low lever actor to ping radios on demand without the knowledge of the radio user.
@@Floridaman_Outdoor i was refering to the UCM module running AES encryption. That what i thoght the original poster ment as p25 has no encryption
@@Floridaman_Outdoor
Of course. All systems do. Even TETRA
What's s actually use case for a setup like this?
Depends on the scenario. A community defense force may use it to send reports from a LPOP to a TOC. Where as a preparedness group (like a MAG) may use it as their base form of local comms when cellphones go down.
Larp hard, or hardly larp.
During a comms down scenario, weather reports, mass casualty reports. Community data nets for those of us IT needs that know how to run that type of net. That's just the tip.
Good video
Does this work over gmrs repeaters?
If they are analog, it should yes.
@EverydayCitizensTactical thank you. What does it sound like when transmitting? Does it take a lot of bandwidth to send typical sms length messages? My projected use case is to use available repeaters to stealthily send messages/instructions to family members in case of an emergency. So very low volume and very occasional transmission.
It will be noticeable over gmrs if others are listening. Sounds like a 90s dialup modem
@anduril328 nobody will care if you do it. The data bursts is 10 seconds or less
@@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader rattlegram is also a cheaper way to do it. I would do it for an emergency over a repeater. Quick message
A cheaper option for baofengs is two APRS cables (cheaper than digirig)
If you hate your liver, take a shot everytime a Sad Ham jumps in to tell you that encryption is illegal in the US.
Why was my comments deleted that this isn't a secure communication plan..
A few comments:
1)If a person is using a baofeng radio, this is probably above their requirements.
2) if you have moto XTS/XTL radios, use AES to encrypt your voice.
Although I enjoyed your video, the subject is like trying to teach someone how to use a NV scope on a ruger 10/22.
What's wrong with a ir optic on a 1022. My baofeng sends digital encrypted messages that can't he decrypted by outside sources
@@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader that's great. Most people don't buy several hundreds of dollars in gear to send encrypted communications on a 50 radios.
@@toddwikel3849 10 dollar cable 50 dollar tablet 60 dollar radio works
You completely miss the point of data bursts. Go rewatch the first part of the video since you obviously didn’t pay attention. An encrypted voice message can be DFed much earlier than an encrypted text message due to transmission time.
@colinbriggs8998 it's why data bursts are critical
Encryption is not legal in the US on ham radio. From 47 CFR 97.113(a): "No amateur station shall transmit (...) messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning"
Yes it is. However, folks should still know how to use it, and implement it, if the need arises.
Sad🐷
The government says I can't do something! Oh my stars!!!!
Take a drink
Said Windows 10 So I bounced never going to trust my life to Windows in SHTF.
Windows 10 LTSC is stable. The home versions...not so much.
I have never had the slightest problem with Windows.
I’m an Amateur Radio Operator. The frequency used in this demonstration is not legal for anyone to use without a General class amateur radio operator license or above. Granted in a SHTF scenario this won’t matter, but for now, you can be heavily fined for operating on the frequency shown without a license. Also, it is equally illegal to use encryption. Best of luck.
Hey man I appreciate your comment, I have regularly spoken on local repeaters without a license. I actually start my transmissions by saying “I’m transmitting without a license”. Nobody cares about your stupid rules. We all know that this type of stuff pisses you off, you don’t need to keep reminding us.
Also please show me the last guy to get “heavily fined” for using encryption. Stop with the made up ghost stories
@@colinbriggs8998< sad ham in ca.
In this video, FLdigi isn’t being used for frequency control so the frequency of 14070 it’s displaying is irrelevant
@@garretr4488 You’re right. I should have realized it because of the radio he’s using. Clearly he’s not transmitting in the 20m HF band from that radio. He is, however likely transmitting in the VHF/UHF bands which have the same restrictions, though the Novice class license can transmit there. The Novice license is an easy test, and I highly recommend if you want to transmit on those frequencies to get the license.
First, this is the wrong tool applied to the problem. Will it work? Sure. But, there are better digital amateur radio solutions for these types of messages that are more approachable to the average Joe.
Second, you are sending encryption. This is illegal outside of certain situations.
This video is purposely made for the newest and most inexperienced folks in order to get them engaged and interested in this realm of comms. This is not for convincing experince me operators with years of experience.
Additionally, there is a giant warning at the beginning of the video for your second point.
Nobody cares about it.FCC doesn't
More sad🐖
@@hooks4638 Really? That's your response. I encourage experimentation. Admittedly missed the intro warning, but FLDigi is not the best tool here. I find it unstable and difficult to setup/use. Sure, extremely flexible, but the target audience was newbies. I'd probably start with Winlink P2P or VaraAC. Both support file transfer and are more plug-n-play. Another option is to use HF DStar, but that requires equipment.
In the end, it is not helpful to through insults around when you know nothing.
Take a drink
Wow this is such a hack. There's got to be something better than fldigi. What a mess.
If you have android tablets andFLMSG is a stripped down version of flmsg better interface
There are pros and cons to every mode/ application. FLdigi is simple to use, supports MANY different modulation protocols, and when used with FLamp offers great capabilities for secure data transmissions.
You should avoid using radios
Yeah you should avoid using firearms and medical equipment too.
Lol why would you avoid radios
Depends on the environment, but if a ton of people are using them, no worries. If only you and your adversary are, then it's like a flashlight in the dark. Helpful, but makes its origin a point of interest. Always adjust accordingly.
@@b20schill use their own signal against them
@@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader very easy to direction find