We plan on checking out both Neil's and Gigi's God Games ASAP! We're currently traveling to Chicago for TE/MO's concert and we won't return before the next saga is out
42:20 Me sitting here watching the video… :( Anyway, the reason I included so much snake imagery in Athena’s design is because of her association with snakes, the same goes for Ares! Snakes are often linked to war in ancient greece. A gorgon, for example, symbolized protection, and the aegis-Athena’s shield and sometimes cape-also has a lot of snake motifs. And then we have Erichthonius, Athena's adopted son, who was a half serpent half man creature. Lots of snakies! And as for why Athena turns into a big snake… it’s the same reason Wet Hades, Zeus and Ares turns into big animals. I just think it looks cool! >:D But yhea, I kind of add al different kind refs from myths, anything with animals I'll cram it in!
I especially love that you made Athena a feathered serpent too, since not only does that incorporate her other sacred animal into the design, but it’s also a dead ringer for another iconic wisdom god…
The clam shell in Aphrodite's section of God Games is a reference to her creation (and the famous painting 'the birth of Venus') as she was spawned from Sea foam and a part of Ouranos that fell into the ocean. Also Hera being represented by a male peacock is mytholgically accurate as the peacock was Argus, a many eyed giant that she had a as a servent she was fond of. Upon his death she turned him into a peacock hence the many eyes/feathers. Also the best God Games animatic i've ever seen is by 'Neal Illustrator' here on TH-cam. It is unbelievable and 1000% worth a watch!
39:28 In a comment on Hera's section, AnniFlamma talks about how Hera's constricted clothing is symbolic of how she's essentially trapped in her marriage to Zeus, and the negative affects he has on her, and the form where the clothes drop into loose robes is a reflection of what she could be, if she were free from Zeus. She lets loose for a moment to sing with Athena, and then is quickly rebound. I'm a big fan of this version of Hera, it pays respect to her postion as Queen of the Gods. She's larger than life, larger than the other Gods. Truly looks like the daughter of a Titan and a powerful ruler.
I think she also linked it to how actual veiling was done of married women (according to their class) in some parts of Ancient Greece vs the myth about Hera renewing her virginity each year.
43:45 About Athena’s snake associations, Athena has the snake as one of her sacred animals, since they represented wisdom from the earth, while owls gave wisdom from the sky. Plus Athena is often depicted with Aegis, the shield (or breastplate) which uses Medusa’s attached head to inspire fear and protect her! Also if you look at the animatic slowed down you can see the Medusa face, seen as Zeus attacks Athena, isn’t Athena’s face. It seems like it’s Aegis, which as a cool touch.
@@supercow376 Poseidon assaulted her in Athena’s temple. Athena caught them, and turned Medusa into the snake haired, turn-people-to-stone character we know now. Athena’s shield has Medusa’s head on it because the hero Perseus was sent on a quest to kill Medusa, and she was beheaded. He gave the head to Athena to put on her shield.
So fun fact on the Anniflamma symbolism. One of Zeus' animals is the Bull and Eagle, thus his horns (and bird at the end). Hera is the same, except one of her holy animals is a cow. One of Athena's (And Ares') animals is the Serpent, thus her serpent form in the flashback.
The shell/clam with Aphrodite is based on the famous painting „The Birth of Venus“ by Sandro Botticelli, which depicts her standing naked in a shell. It has to do with her origin/birth in Greek mythology. She came into being due to Kronos cutting off his father‘s (Ouranos) genitals and throwing them into the sea, where some *secrections* mixed with the sea foam and bam: Aphrodite emerges. Since the creation of the painting the shell symbolism has been used a lot with her. So yeah hope this helps lol :D
Anni's god designs deeply incorporate the god's associated animals or their sacred animals! That's why most of them have animalistic features and animal/monster forms. I'm an insane greek mythology nut so I'll point some stuff out for you guys!! ZEUS: Zeus's sacred animals are eagles and bulls. I think Annie's design for him is super clever because she gave him bull horns and his long hair braid emulates a bull tail. Zeus can also sharp-shift into both of these creatures. APOLLO: Apollo has MANY sacred animals because of his association with many aspects, which I think is why he doesn't have as clear animalistic features as the gods who only have one or two. But a lot of his animals do in fact have tails, which I think Anni took notice of and gave Apollo a very clever clothing design, so he has a long train of fabric that imitates a tail. I love that Apollo also has long hair that is tied up in their design, because Apollo was always depicted with uncut hair in Ancient Greek art to symbolize his eternal youth. HEPHAESTUS: I love that Annie included the most widely known Hephaestus origin elements, which is that he was thrown from Olympus because of his leg deformity, hence the prosthetic. I also could be wrong but I think Hephaestus's hair might also be homage to the ruff of a crane, which is one of his sacred animals ATHENA: Athena of course has the scared animal and most associated animal of an owl because she is the goddess of wisdom, but she is also a god of war and sacred animals for the war gods often are snakes, that's why in her big monstrous form, she is a winged serpent. Also! Athena's shield is called The Aegis, which is a special type of shield made from steel and animal skin and often bears the head of a gorgon (what medusa is). APHRODITE: Aphrodite's sacred animals are all birds, most notably swans and doves, as they symbolize love. I think Anni's incorporation of this outside of just having the physical animals in her domain is that Aphrodite can fly/float. Also Aphrodite's most well-circulated myth of how she came to be was that she was born from the sea foam, emerging from a giant clam. Also just as a quick random fact, Aphrodite is also a god of war. ARES: Ares is strictly a war god, hence why his imagery and sacred animal is a snake, and he's particularly associated with the more brutal, gruesome, blood-thirsty sides of war. And actually, Ares was not very highly regarded by most greeks. He was highly worshipped by Spartans, but outside of them, Ares was often ridiculed and denounced. HERA: Hera's sacred animals are peacocks and, like Zeus, bulls/cows. Anni's design of Hera also has cow horns and her peacock chest decorations! I also believe Hera's servants hurriedly covered up her revealing outfit because Hera is the goddess of lawful and sacred marriage, and it would be seen as "lewd and unacceptable" for a married woman to have such garb. Hera in depictions and statues is almost always fully and modestly clothed, sometimes even wearing a bridal veil, which I think Anni also gave homage to with Hera's bead veil! Also something I also didn't notice until I was doing y own research for god designs is that all of the gods Zeus chose were all on the Trojan side of the Trojan war, so I think he wasn't expecting them to give in to Athena so easily because she was aiding on the Spartan side of the war.
An addition for Apollo: during the intro colored cutouts, the shape for him was a SKULL. Not the sun. It was in later Classical times that Apollo and Helios were synchronized (just as Artemis and Selene were). But Apollo from the start was the bringing of plague and disease to young men and boys. So that skull is more accurate then a sun and she's the only one who noticed and this makes me HAPPY. ALSO also, that train from his chiton in that cutout looks like a snake tongue coming out of the skull, a reference the Python, which he slew shortly after birth and took over the Pythian oracle. Anna just has a LOT of symbolism in her designs and nods to legit mythology and as an actual worshiper, this makes me VERY happy (and I've made sure to say so in her comment sections).
Also just gonna point out Apollo's clothes going into the tail it turns black at the end and in the ending you can see him coloured and it has some black feathers to it so I assume it's referencing crows who are said to be his eyes when he's not present himself.
Counter argument to Telemachus being a ditz - he knows it's Odysseus she's talking about, but he doesn't actually know Odysseus *as a person*. Only stories about him.
That is my personal headcanon, he knows but realised that he can't say anything to makes Athena feels better, he can't tell her that he isn't mad or that she is still his friend, so that is what he tells her, the truth.
My take was similar , that he knew that athena was talking about his dad. But felt he couldn't add anything because he never met him. So instead let athena take the lead in expressing her grief. Idk I thought it might be a cool twist of things 😂
In Legendary, he literally sings "cuz' I'm stuck with your stories, but no clue who you are" so I agree with you there. He's not wrong when he says to Athena that he doesn't know who her friend is....because he's never met his father!!
Someone also said in a comment elsewhere an Ares idea that I liked. Telemachus would be a model citizen in Ares eyes. He fights even though he has no chance to win. The fights for the honor of his family. He fights to protect his mother. These are all ideals that Ares exemplifies, which means that him dispraging Telemachus isn't a personal attack, he's doing what brothers do best and pissing his sister off, but he is doing it to force her into his domain, fighting with your heart, not fighting with your mind
30:58 there is a painting by Botticelli called "The Birth of Venus" where she emerges from the sea and is in a shell. In Roman Mythology Venus is Aphrodite, so I think that is the connection here ❤
I can't get over these two grown up men becoming little girls and screaming over a high-five 😭. You guys are a total mood together. Lotta's love for you ❤️❤️❤️
38:00 It's not just the feathers, look at her face. Athenas helmet shadows her eyes making her look like she has those highlights or frames round their eyes many owls have, and that V on her lips is an owls beak. And it's not just that scene, it's how she looks through the whole thing. One of the reasons I absolutely love this animatic is how each of the gods are just a little inhuman even when they look human. Their movement, their scaling, it all gives them a feel that makes them seem different, off, dangerous. It's perfect.
36:57 And then Ares went and whined to Zeus and Zeus was all "If you weren't my son I'd bury you deeper in the earth than I did my Father" Father of the year material for sure
Cool fact: The hera section WAS anniflamma's first animatic for epic the musical! It became a full circle moment seeing anniflamma animating that section as well!
46:38 I like how Athena turns away from Telemachus while being vulnerable. She's being open, for sure, admitting she can't sleep at night because of what happened between her and Odysseus, but she's also turning her back to try and shield from any potential negative repercussions
41:13 OMG ITS SYMBOLISM! So far throughout the musical we have seen this more composed, regal Zeus, represented by the eagle. Now, in God Games, we get the more angry, spiteful Zeus, represented by the bull! THAT IS SO COOL! I also just realized that his true nature being that angry, spiteful bull is hinted at with his design, he has the horns and the tail! I CAN'T WITH THESE ANIMATICS OMG!!!!!!
The small detail that I absolutely love in Gigi's We'll be fine is that the portrait of Odysseus, Penelope and Telemachus has the exact same composition as the one figuring Hector and his family in gigi's Just a man. I like to think about it as a kind of mandatory portrait all royal families must do at the birth of their kids.
@@angierodriguez8972 if I recall correctly Hermes (and perhaps Apollo) also have snakes as their sacred animals (at least in some sources). I think it's quite comical how most of the siblings share a sacred animal. Though Hermes is sometimes depicted as a trickster God so it is fairly understandable why he's associated with snakes. As for Apollo I'm unsure why I think I remember him being associated.
So, Aphrodite is actually sea foam, or in other interpretations blood, from the Sky Titan Uranus! Backstory: Uranus and Gaia created all of the titans, but Uranus casted some of their "ugly" children into Tartarus. Gaia hated him for that and got her youngest son, Kronos to tie Uranus to the earth and cut him up. His goop spread across the ocean, and formed Aphrodite, hence the Aphrodite is sky titan goop! (Also the reason she's in a clam is because she's the "pearl of the sea", and her tears of joy turn into pearls) ALSO ALSO! You should totally check out and/or read the Iliad + watch Percy Jackson the lightning thief musical :D
Ouranos was castrated by his son when he was overthrown and his testicles were thrown to the sea. The frothing semen made contact with the sea and from there Aphrodite was born.
@@Bee-2181 I suspect some retellings sanitized the source of the sea foam into blood or just plain sea foam, for obvious reason haha. The castration of Ouranos was a very explicit, gory affair.
I'm loving how Mortius and Casper commented on the visuals matching up with the audio, because it made me realise that Hera's big moves; throwing off the lcoak, the foot stomp by Athena, dropping to the floor, and the spin we get to see part of for a sec immediately after, matches up with the beat noises. *DUM* (pose/move), du-bu-dum, *DUM* (pose/move), last one being when Athena spins her away. And that trumpet-like sound when the servants tighten the cloth around Hera to restrain her again into her role.
Yeah, she explained in that a wife’s veils were a representation of the husband’s wealth and power. High status women would be so swamped in beads and fabric that they could barely move.
So fun myth facts: first of all, the reason Aphrodite is in a clam shell is a reference to a famous picture called “the birth of Venus” which depicts Aphrodite being born from the remains of ouranos when he turned into sea foam Both Athena and ares got some serious snake imagery, which is a not to subtle nod to the fact one of the patron animals they share happens to be snakes. Athena is also often represented in imagery as the gorgon (aka what Medusa is) as she has two different myths associated with it: one with the cursing of Medusa and the other being her shoving Medusa’s head into her shield which retained its power. (I believe the shield one came first since Medusa was an established monster before her origin myth) If anyone has other fun facts please feel free to add.
the reason why there are so many references to snakes on Athena is not so much to Medusa but to Athena herself: her sacred animals are the owl and the snake (which is why in memory she has the shape of a winged serpent) and in her statues she she was depicted wearing a special armor called the aegis which was decorated with many small snakes, while the shield does indeed have the head of Medusa, cut off by Perseus and given to Athena to thank her. If you see frame by frame in the animatic you will notice her raising her arm and the shield that opens showing the face of Medusa to defend her from Zeus' attack. For the horns of Zeus similar reason: his sacred animal was the bull in addition to the eagle.
Dear, sweet little Polites. We all love him, we all miss him dearly, we cry whereen he shows up in songs every saga. Our hearts are with you, little Polites.
The Medusa refrences are because after Perseus finished using the gorgon's head he gave it to Athena, who put it on Aegis her shield. She turned her shield into a necklace pendant at the beginning of the animatic; so the snakes appear around her shoulders because of Aegis. I really would love to see your guys' reaction and thoughts to PJO!! If that is something you end doing
Mythology with the clam shell is based off of this one famous portrait by Sandro Botticelli where she’s depicted standing on a clamshell rising from sea foam. It’s become the standard of Aphrodite history that she was formed this way after ouranos was chopped to pieces and thrown into the ocean which created sea foam, and from it Aphrodite arose. 29:46
The clam shell is a reference to Aphrodite’s birth story and a very famous painting, The Birth of Venus by Sandro Botticelli. When killing Ouranos, Kronos c4strates him. The male bits fall into the ocean and the resulting sea foam births Aphrodite, similar to how pearls are made. This is why she’s usually associated with pearls and clam shells!
43:41 much like ares Athena also has snakes as a divine animal. But notice anni also gave her bird features to symbolize the difference in their symbols. Snakes for ares symbolize the venom and ferocity of battle and strategy. Athena’s snack is her ruthlessness, while the owl represents cunning and wisdom.
@OpenArmsReactions I read a comment under Gigi's video about how Telemecaus saying "I don't know etc etc" is because he actually knows she's talking about his dad, but because ody was never part of his life he never got to know him. So he actually doesn't know what he's like
“He’s just..not sorry for loving it!” Oh. Yeah. Also Zeus’s horns are meant to symbolize one of his sacred animals being a bull I think. The dove in Aphrodite’s bit is really funny as well because there would be no where for it to perch, it’s either floating or comically large. And how Heras cloak ties her arms to her side is representing her being trapped in marriage or something. I keep adding onto this, but the snake is one of Athena’s sacred animals. I think what she is in the flashback is a mix of a snake and an owl?
Omg, you both need to see "Love in paradise" animatic verzsion by Jojo Fraga. IT IS TOO GOOD to pass by.I will pray until then that you watch it. Have a safe flight to Chicago guys.
42:45 actually anniflamma is really dedicated the the related animals and duties of the pantheon in her animations. The reason Poseidon is a horse is because he is god of horses and associated with horses. Hera is associated with peacocks, and she has horns, because Zeus is associated with eagles AND often appears to mortals as a white bull.
I highly highly recommend watching overly sarcastic productions: the Trojan war to learn about what came before the Odyssey and get some good insight into these gods. The reason the war began is actually way more complex than just Helen being abducted. And it’s at least partly Odyseus’s fault. It’s very funny and informative, both of the actual mythology and the history behind it. Actually a reaction to that would be the greatest thing ever, but I would highly recommend it either way.
20:40 so he has these horns and the tail because many people don't know but the Greek gods have more than one sacred animal and one of Zeus' sacred animals is the bull, just as you will see that Athena likes a snake since it is a sacred animal for her because she took care of a half-snake baby as if it were her son
43:52 I believe she is meant to be a chimeric kind of Amphitere, a european feathered dragon/serpent creature typically depicted with traditional bat-esque wings. I say chimeric because she seems to be a blend of Owl and Snake, which makes sense given that both have and are associated with wisdom/knowledge/divine power in some form or another.
29:44 To answer that question, the mythology states that Aphrodite was born from seafoam after Cronos cut off Uranus's genitals and threw them into the sea. She was the union of seawater and heaven and was depicted rising out of the sea by the scallop shell.
In terms of the snake showing up a bunch it’s because the snake is actually one of Athena’s sacred animals! Not quite as much as the owl of course but she is depicted with snakes around her or as details on her armour hence why she’s a weird owl snake thing.
I LOOOVE that Hephaestus is portrayed with a disability, and I hope when this hits the stage, this representation is continued. We need more! I also walk with a cane some days (not all), my mom has one arm, and both my mother and sister use wheelchairs (different disabilities). Getting around town with two wheelchairs was an adventure and a half! In Greek myth, Hephaestus was either born with a congenital impairment (club-foot or some other issue) or his legs were injured when Zeus cast him out of Mount Olympus, depending on the story. One of his many epithets is Ἀμφιγυήεις, which means "lame on both sides." So bravo for representing a disability for our blacksmith daddy... wait, that doesn't sound right...
I once read a comment that said that even if Athena said to Telemachus she used to be friends with his father he would still not know "who he is" or "what he's like" because he doesn't know his father at all, he just knows him from the stories he has heard about him. So this is like another meaning to the lyrics he sings :D
27:16 Ahem: YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES OH MY GOODNESS YES. I love Percy Jackson so much and I would absolutely die to be able to see your guy’s insights into it! Pls pls do it (obviously only if you can, don’t pressure yourselves into doing something that’s too much or doesn’t fit in your schedules.) just know that I would love to see it and will shout about it from the rooftops to all of my Percy Jackson friends! Edit: I missed the premiere but after watching the live chat for a second: an owl snake/snake owl is similar to the eagle bull that was Zeus. Less of an actual creature/myth rep but more of a combination of their sacred animals. It’s very Greek after all. Take the head from one thing, the body from another and the tail from another lol
Guys there’s also a new Wouldn’t You Like animatic by Laritamiauu and it’s REALLY good. It’s my favorite Hermes so far (design, characterisation, literally everything)
Talking about Hephaestus's depiction in Anniflamma's, the myths actually depict him gaining a limp after Hera throws him down from Olympus. But still, love the representation for disabilities so I'm not going to argue with it. Outside Hephaestus, there's a whole bunch of sacred animal representation with the other gods. Aphrodite is surrounded by doves, Ares and Athena (both gods of war) transform into snakes, Athena also transforming into an owl, Hera having male peacock feathers for creating them from the Hundred-Eyed Man, Argos, and the "devil horns" on Zeus are actually bull horns, hence why he transformed into a bull hybrid and also an eagle. Also, live-action Percy Jackson please!
The eagle and the bull forms of Zeus are references to when he transformed into them in different myths. Pretty sure Ares's sacred animal was the snake, and he and Athena are siblings in similar domains, represented by them both having Quick Thought for example, so that's why I think they both have a Snake form, as well as the reference to Medusa. As for Athenas form in the flashback, her being so an owl creates a sort of Feathered Serpent, like the Quetzalcoatl from Aztec mythology, although I do think Greek mythology also had winged snakes, but don't quote me on that.
I saw a comment on Heras part when Anni used the Demo that said that They felt like the fact that Hera is so bound up is a symbol of her marriage to Zeus, she is truly happy for a moment when she is unbound but is quickly made more downtrodden again and bound in clothing. Also The Peacock is Her sacred animal and she set the Watchman Argos to guard Zeus’ lover Io as a prisoner, Hermes put Argos to sleep and killed him so Hera put his hundred eyes on the male peacock, hence why her outfit is inspired by the male peacock.
This is my own theory, but I'm sure other people have thought about it before: Anniflama's gods always have at least one animal trait, either through constant transformation or a permanent feature even in their human form. Athena, however, looks completely human except for moments of great tension. My theory is that originally all gods spent more time in their bestial form, with Athena being some sort of owl-winged serpent. However, she took the form of a human to interact with mortals, and the longer she did, the more human she looked, less scaly/feathery. The other gods are more distant, so some of them retain animal features (ironically, Aphrodite, Ares, and Hephaestus represent human aspects of life, so they also look very human) As for Medusa, Athena's shield has her face, so when she needs protection the shield activates, when inactive she has it hanging like a necklace!
39:17, I think the covering of Hera represents her relationship with Zeus. She wants to leave the relationship but can’t. She is aware that divorcing Zeus would be bad PR for her brand as “The Goddess of Marriage” (something that regular women who go through as well when contemplating leaving their toxic marriages) and cause Mt. Olympus to go into chaos(we all know how Zeus reacts when things don’t go his way). 😢
Hello, I have scrolled for a while, and I don't see anyone talking about Hephaestus's disability rep in Epic, so I thought I would chime in, although I don't think anybody's going to see this comment. I could have sworn I saw a video of Jay making a video or short about this, but in the official animations, in both Wolfy's and Tamatutta's animations, you can see the leg braces that he uses. You see his full leg at his intro in Wolfy's video and you can see the top of his braces in Tamatutta's. In the video that I swear I remember watching, but can no longer find, I remember Jorge saying that Hephaestus forged his own leg braces. Which I thought was super cool, and it's such a shame that I can no longer find that video. If anyone can find it, I would super appreciate a link, haha.
30:10 I believe I may know the answer the this. Aphrodite is often told as being born from sea foam (and Zeus sperm). And she is associated with doves, geese, swans, sparrows, shellfish, bees and dolphins. Hinting at more of the clam shell imagery maybe?
Well, to at least defend my boy Telemachus a bit for not realising, you could maybe make a small argument that Athena was just looking around his room and all the things hanging there, which just happened to be Ody But yeah, my boy should have still realised
32:05 she was born from seafoam and the blood of a titan, think Uranus. And there's a famous painting called the Birth of Venus. Look it up if you got the time
I love your reactions! I was so excited to see your opinion of We'll Be Fine. Gigi's version seriously made me cry! I do want to mention something (I guess in Telemachus's defense). When he said "I don't know who your friend is," we kind of laughed at how dumb he must be that he saw Athena staring at the tapestry and still couldn't figure it out. But I think Gigi did something very interesting with her animation. We see Telemachus come up behind Athena to look at the tapestry as well, and when he follows her and sings the line, his eyes shift back toward the tapestry. I think he knows she's talking about his father, but he was a baby when his father left. He really doesn't know "who your friend is" or "what he's like" because he doesn't know his father. He only has stories. So he can't offer comfort in regards to Ody, but he does provide comfort by telling her how she makes him, Telemachus, feel. Maybe I'm reading too much into the animation, but I imagine a child separated from their parent really wouldn't "know" them. And in both Legendary and Little Wolf, he never refers to Ody by name or as "father/dad" it's more distant. He says, "is it you I'll find" and "Cause I'm stuck with your stories / But no clue who you are". I think "I don't know who your friend is" is an echo of "But no clue who you are." Just some rambling thoughts lol. Maybe I just wanted to protect our sweet boy.
Two things i noticed. One, the fact Ares was sheilding the other gods with his cape when the strike happened. The second is that he was worried about Athena being dead. It feels like it points to him and athena while rival gods, do value the other. Areas as the god of the soldier, brave and fearless, athena the goddess of strategy and the general of sorts. I find it very interesting because usually Ares is depicted as a very maligned god. And while hes not a hero here he does make a decent arguent in regards to his sacrifice of his men, to Ares that would be a deeply cowardly move.
Highly recommend Sixofcloves god games animatic. Its only the Aphrodite and Ares part, and it's the old audio, but HOLY MOLY!! It's by far the smoothest animation I've seen and has really interesting characterisations of the gods featured
29:48 "the creation of venus" painted by Botticelli. He said 'oh she came out of a shell' and the painting was so good they all just agreed from then on that she did
30:48 well the shell is probably referencing the famous painting "The Birth Of Venus" since she's said to be born of seafoam and something else which changes depending on the version.
im gonna try and go thru the god games animation and answer some questions/point out fun details that i love from anniflamma's work for yall bc i think its fun. disclaimer i am not an expert and mythology is never constant so theres no "true" version of any of these stories, etc 19:36 her shield, aegis, turns back into Medusas head which she is keeping on a necklace (you can see the snake hair is tied up to become the pendant) and she also gets rid of her spear to show that shes not looking for a fight! from a war god, id think thats one of the highest forms of respect, leaving her weapons behind. 20:23 i think its more bull horn + tail, as reference to the myth where zeus turns into a bull to seduce europa(? i think). in the barest defense, gods turning into animals for seduction reasons happens a lot (i am always thinking about the swan thing) 23:03 i wanna say the words youre looking for are silhouetted art, or maybe cut out? not sure. also monochromatic or something with a limited color scheme. also randomly wanna point out thats apollo has a hyacinth in his art 😢 23:37 i ADORE anniflammas hera design. i think shes talked about how its representative of how repressed she feels in her marriage, explained later with her "breaking free" of it and her attendants trying to put her back in place. also i love how the pearl veil makes it look like shes crying. 24:47 i also like how Apollo is the one pf the more human designs, but hes got a part of his clothes that fades into black and acts like a tail, which feels like a reference to his ""darker"" aspects as a god of plagues. also unrelated to the video or the animation but i do think its incredibly funny that athena lies to the god of TRUTH and hes like "if thats true 🤔🤨😮💨 release him" she owes him for sure 29:44 folks have already mentioned the birth of venus painting and the version of Aphrodites birth related to it so i wont linger here, but i did really like the details casper shared here! :) 37:59 some art has aegis as more of a snake cloak thingy which is why the snakes are there too 39:22 something i really like with this version is how its not played for laughs. hera conceding to athenas point isnt a spit take or anything, shes being forced back into her role as the obedient wife and shes having her husband's infidelity thrown in her face in a way. she still concedes, she is the goddess of marriage and family, so she does rewards when its respected by heroes and punish infidelity (*COUGH* JASON *COUGH*) but yeah. i love how nuanced she is here. 40:59 im gonna ignore What ur reacting to, we all know its cool as hell, and just point out this shot u paused on. i love everyone's faces and body language here. ares is standing in front of the others, protective. he never expected this to happen to the favored child. apollo looks shocked, but hephaestus doesnt, hes surprised, but grim. plenty of versions have zeus being the one to throw him from olympus after all. aphrodite is standing behind her husband, looking disgusted. 41:22 meanwhile, heras not surprised at all, just resigned. shes been on the other side of this after all. she knows her husband, knew exactly how this would turn out. shes separate from the rest of the family both in not being surprised, bur shes also physically isolated from them. man it hurts. 41:29 quick tangent back to ares, he tried to protect them from the blast with his cloak!! 43:41 thats an original design im almost certain, but it does look a bit like Quetzalcoatl from south american myths. don't quote me on anything tho 44:24 ow it hurts :(( also ew degloving yeuck. i am tired now, this has stressed me out doing this on mobile. gnight :-)
Omg, I would definitely suggest watching the complete Jorge video seen in this video because a scene in Neil’s God Game is inspired by the things Jorge mentioned
9:20 i guess yall didn't notice or at least didn't while recording but that pause frame suggests that Telemechus "does" think the "friend" was Ody. but since he doesn't know much about his father better to act oblivious than assume. which pretty much confirms his wit
Ever since Gigi's animatic for "We'll Be Fine" came out, I have been waiting to see both of you guy's reactions and am so happy you did this video, along with AnniFlamma's "God Games" Both deserved their own reaction videos not only because knowing how the both of you would react but just how amazing and perfect these animatics are
they reacted to all animatics for wisdom saga, they just went back to god games and we’ll be fine for anni and gigi’s versions edit: i hate autocorrect lmaoo
![Odysseus [Epic the Musical]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3vTAazXNS7A/mqdefault.jpg)
We plan on checking out both Neil's and Gigi's God Games ASAP! We're currently traveling to Chicago for TE/MO's concert and we won't return before the next saga is out
she was birth from peral and from that peral was throwen in to the ocean and when it was done so there was sea foam and from that she was born
See you at the concert ❤
Yay!
You better have tissues for Neals version it’ll lance you in the feels
i thought gigi did not have a god games
42:20 Me sitting here watching the video… :(
Anyway, the reason I included so much snake imagery in Athena’s design is because of her association with snakes, the same goes for Ares! Snakes are often linked to war in ancient greece. A gorgon, for example, symbolized protection, and the aegis-Athena’s shield and sometimes cape-also has a lot of snake motifs. And then we have Erichthonius, Athena's adopted son, who was a half serpent half man creature. Lots of snakies! And as for why Athena turns into a big snake… it’s the same reason Wet Hades, Zeus and Ares turns into big animals. I just think it looks cool! >:D
But yhea, I kind of add al different kind refs from myths, anything with animals I'll cram it in!
Anniflamma furry confirmed ? /j
hi anniflamma
Got to love that sweet symbolism and theming. Its those little ties to their diferent myths and lore gives so much life to them.
I especially love that you made Athena a feathered serpent too, since not only does that incorporate her other sacred animal into the design, but it’s also a dead ringer for another iconic wisdom god…
I love your version of god games, and especially athena the most!
Not devil horns, cow horns. Cows are sacred to both Hera and Zeus
Well in Zeus's case, specifically bull horns, but yea
yeh cause she incorperates the animal that is important to them so Hera has Peacock and Heifer (female cow), Athena Snake and Owl etc. its so cool.
@@HellIsForeverWithInfinite Bovine I guess is the term of the day
@@Fenntic Yep
Its because he is a descendant of Baal, the Bull horned God
The clam shell in Aphrodite's section of God Games is a reference to her creation (and the famous painting 'the birth of Venus') as she was spawned from Sea foam and a part of Ouranos that fell into the ocean. Also Hera being represented by a male peacock is mytholgically accurate as the peacock was Argus, a many eyed giant that she had a as a servent she was fond of. Upon his death she turned him into a peacock hence the many eyes/feathers.
Also the best God Games animatic i've ever seen is by 'Neal Illustrator' here on TH-cam. It is unbelievable and 1000% worth a watch!
yes im glad someone else knows this
“A part”. Yeah…
Why do I get the feeling that Argus was Hera’s “mister” and turned him into a peacock to protect him from Zeus? 🤔
Boost
@@christinebelzie194she was the goddess of marriage, she physically could not cheat on her husband
39:28 In a comment on Hera's section, AnniFlamma talks about how Hera's constricted clothing is symbolic of how she's essentially trapped in her marriage to Zeus, and the negative affects he has on her, and the form where the clothes drop into loose robes is a reflection of what she could be, if she were free from Zeus.
She lets loose for a moment to sing with Athena, and then is quickly rebound.
I'm a big fan of this version of Hera, it pays respect to her postion as Queen of the Gods. She's larger than life, larger than the other Gods. Truly looks like the daughter of a Titan and a powerful ruler.
I thought of something similar. Basically her putting the clothes back on because Athena's arguments weren't giving her a reason.
I think she also linked it to how actual veiling was done of married women (according to their class) in some parts of Ancient Greece vs the myth about Hera renewing her virginity each year.
Anni and Noir.Hyacinth have my favorite versions of Hera. Anni’s for the sheer _goddess-ness_ of it. Noir’s for the attitude and hair.
43:45 About Athena’s snake associations, Athena has the snake as one of her sacred animals, since they represented wisdom from the earth, while owls gave wisdom from the sky. Plus Athena is often depicted with Aegis, the shield (or breastplate) which uses Medusa’s attached head to inspire fear and protect her!
Also if you look at the animatic slowed down you can see the Medusa face, seen as Zeus attacks Athena, isn’t Athena’s face. It seems like it’s Aegis, which as a cool touch.
41:26 Wow! You’re right! Thanks for the lore.
There’s also old pottery where she had snakes on her dress, so that’s why they emerged at Ares’ section.
Also its just a gorgons head, not medusa at all
I still don't know what medusa has to do with athena though...
@@supercow376 Poseidon assaulted her in Athena’s temple. Athena caught them, and turned Medusa into the snake haired, turn-people-to-stone character we know now.
Athena’s shield has Medusa’s head on it because the hero Perseus was sent on a quest to kill Medusa, and she was beheaded. He gave the head to Athena to put on her shield.
This was probably recorded before it came out but I hope they watch Neal Illustrator’s God Games as well.
Literally came here to say this lol.
Yeah it would be amazing to see their reaction to it.
@@laurasibob1106 Let's not forget that Gigi is making God Games too (I think) 👀
I believe they have mentioned that they did react to it, guess we'll have to wait and see
@@Orion_44 I hope they release their reaction, I adored Neal's God Games
Yea ik
So fun fact on the Anniflamma symbolism. One of Zeus' animals is the Bull and Eagle, thus his horns (and bird at the end). Hera is the same, except one of her holy animals is a cow. One of Athena's (And Ares') animals is the Serpent, thus her serpent form in the flashback.
It’s even better, it’s Eagle, into mist, into swan, into bull, all 4 of the most popular Zeus myths that bred demigods
The shell/clam with Aphrodite is based on the famous painting „The Birth of Venus“ by Sandro Botticelli, which depicts her standing naked in a shell. It has to do with her origin/birth in Greek mythology. She came into being due to Kronos cutting off his father‘s (Ouranos) genitals and throwing them into the sea, where some *secrections* mixed with the sea foam and bam: Aphrodite emerges. Since the creation of the painting the shell symbolism has been used a lot with her. So yeah hope this helps lol :D
Omg thank you for write it
5:28 The world isn’t ready for a Gigi “My Goodbye”
She is making a God games, though, I don't think the world is ready for that either
Anni's god designs deeply incorporate the god's associated animals or their sacred animals! That's why most of them have animalistic features and animal/monster forms. I'm an insane greek mythology nut so I'll point some stuff out for you guys!!
ZEUS: Zeus's sacred animals are eagles and bulls. I think Annie's design for him is super clever because she gave him bull horns and his long hair braid emulates a bull tail. Zeus can also sharp-shift into both of these creatures.
APOLLO: Apollo has MANY sacred animals because of his association with many aspects, which I think is why he doesn't have as clear animalistic features as the gods who only have one or two. But a lot of his animals do in fact have tails, which I think Anni took notice of and gave Apollo a very clever clothing design, so he has a long train of fabric that imitates a tail. I love that Apollo also has long hair that is tied up in their design, because Apollo was always depicted with uncut hair in Ancient Greek art to symbolize his eternal youth.
HEPHAESTUS: I love that Annie included the most widely known Hephaestus origin elements, which is that he was thrown from Olympus because of his leg deformity, hence the prosthetic. I also could be wrong but I think Hephaestus's hair might also be homage to the ruff of a crane, which is one of his sacred animals
ATHENA: Athena of course has the scared animal and most associated animal of an owl because she is the goddess of wisdom, but she is also a god of war and sacred animals for the war gods often are snakes, that's why in her big monstrous form, she is a winged serpent. Also! Athena's shield is called The Aegis, which is a special type of shield made from steel and animal skin and often bears the head of a gorgon (what medusa is).
APHRODITE: Aphrodite's sacred animals are all birds, most notably swans and doves, as they symbolize love. I think Anni's incorporation of this outside of just having the physical animals in her domain is that Aphrodite can fly/float. Also Aphrodite's most well-circulated myth of how she came to be was that she was born from the sea foam, emerging from a giant clam. Also just as a quick random fact, Aphrodite is also a god of war.
ARES: Ares is strictly a war god, hence why his imagery and sacred animal is a snake, and he's particularly associated with the more brutal, gruesome, blood-thirsty sides of war. And actually, Ares was not very highly regarded by most greeks. He was highly worshipped by Spartans, but outside of them, Ares was often ridiculed and denounced.
HERA: Hera's sacred animals are peacocks and, like Zeus, bulls/cows. Anni's design of Hera also has cow horns and her peacock chest decorations! I also believe Hera's servants hurriedly covered up her revealing outfit because Hera is the goddess of lawful and sacred marriage, and it would be seen as "lewd and unacceptable" for a married woman to have such garb. Hera in depictions and statues is almost always fully and modestly clothed, sometimes even wearing a bridal veil, which I think Anni also gave homage to with Hera's bead veil!
Also something I also didn't notice until I was doing y own research for god designs is that all of the gods Zeus chose were all on the Trojan side of the Trojan war, so I think he wasn't expecting them to give in to Athena so easily because she was aiding on the Spartan side of the war.
An addition for Apollo: during the intro colored cutouts, the shape for him was a SKULL. Not the sun. It was in later Classical times that Apollo and Helios were synchronized (just as Artemis and Selene were). But Apollo from the start was the bringing of plague and disease to young men and boys. So that skull is more accurate then a sun and she's the only one who noticed and this makes me HAPPY. ALSO also, that train from his chiton in that cutout looks like a snake tongue coming out of the skull, a reference the Python, which he slew shortly after birth and took over the Pythian oracle.
Anna just has a LOT of symbolism in her designs and nods to legit mythology and as an actual worshiper, this makes me VERY happy (and I've made sure to say so in her comment sections).
Also just gonna point out Apollo's clothes going into the tail it turns black at the end and in the ending you can see him coloured and it has some black feathers to it so I assume it's referencing crows who are said to be his eyes when he's not present himself.
Plot twist: Athena is the size of a normal person. Oddy is just a shorty.
What
I feel like one of these Oddys is supposed to be somebody else
I think the first "Oddy" is supposed to be "Athena"
A literal short king
@@PretentiousGamer So a Farquaad then.
Counter argument to Telemachus being a ditz - he knows it's Odysseus she's talking about, but he doesn't actually know Odysseus *as a person*. Only stories about him.
Wow. Sharing was not caring this time, friend
That is my personal headcanon, he knows but realised that he can't say anything to makes Athena feels better, he can't tell her that he isn't mad or that she is still his friend, so that is what he tells her, the truth.
My take was similar , that he knew that athena was talking about his dad. But felt he couldn't add anything because he never met him. So instead let athena take the lead in expressing her grief. Idk I thought it might be a cool twist of things 😂
In Legendary, he literally sings "cuz' I'm stuck with your stories, but no clue who you are" so I agree with you there. He's not wrong when he says to Athena that he doesn't know who her friend is....because he's never met his father!!
I thought so too atleast for gigi's take. He clearly looks at the portrait too
Someone also said in a comment elsewhere an Ares idea that I liked. Telemachus would be a model citizen in Ares eyes. He fights even though he has no chance to win. The fights for the honor of his family. He fights to protect his mother. These are all ideals that Ares exemplifies, which means that him dispraging Telemachus isn't a personal attack, he's doing what brothers do best and pissing his sister off, but he is doing it to force her into his domain, fighting with your heart, not fighting with your mind
That’s neat! I like it!!
30:58 there is a painting by Botticelli called "The Birth of Venus" where she emerges from the sea and is in a shell. In Roman Mythology Venus is Aphrodite, so I think that is the connection here ❤
I can't get over these two grown up men becoming little girls and screaming over a high-five 😭. You guys are a total mood together. Lotta's love for you ❤️❤️❤️
Right
I literally cried at the high five the first time I saw that animatic
I'm 44 and I squealed at the high-five. Happiness knows no age limit.
27:20 *talks about reacting to Percy Jackson show*
Me: There is a Percy Jackson Musical called the Lightning Thief musical…..
OMG YES
If my theater kid sister sees this she's going to put the musical on loop 😅
they need to, not for us BUT FOR ME!!! RAHHHH!!!
Mortius has already reacted to “Prologue/The Day I Got Expelled”
38:00 It's not just the feathers, look at her face. Athenas helmet shadows her eyes making her look like she has those highlights or frames round their eyes many owls have, and that V on her lips is an owls beak. And it's not just that scene, it's how she looks through the whole thing.
One of the reasons I absolutely love this animatic is how each of the gods are just a little inhuman even when they look human. Their movement, their scaling, it all gives them a feel that makes them seem different, off, dangerous. It's perfect.
36:57 And then Ares went and whined to Zeus and Zeus was all "If you weren't my son I'd bury you deeper in the earth than I did my Father"
Father of the year material for sure
He has such a hatred for Ares honestly.
Zeus be like "Man up you gigantic disappointment!"
now he hurts both on the outside and in the inside
What's funny is that besides Zeus, the gods usually do care for their children lmao. (Roman mythology did a lot of them dirty in that department)
Cool fact: The hera section WAS anniflamma's first animatic for epic the musical! It became a full circle moment seeing anniflamma animating that section as well!
46:38 I like how Athena turns away from Telemachus while being vulnerable. She's being open, for sure, admitting she can't sleep at night because of what happened between her and Odysseus, but she's also turning her back to try and shield from any potential negative repercussions
41:13 OMG ITS SYMBOLISM! So far throughout the musical we have seen this more composed, regal Zeus, represented by the eagle. Now, in God Games, we get the more angry, spiteful Zeus, represented by the bull! THAT IS SO COOL! I also just realized that his true nature being that angry, spiteful bull is hinted at with his design, he has the horns and the tail! I CAN'T WITH THESE ANIMATICS OMG!!!!!!
The small detail that I absolutely love in Gigi's We'll be fine is that the portrait of Odysseus, Penelope and Telemachus has the exact same composition as the one figuring Hector and his family in gigi's Just a man. I like to think about it as a kind of mandatory portrait all royal families must do at the birth of their kids.
One of Athena’s sacred animals are snakes! So is one of Ares’ which I find fun; the siblings having one of the same sacred animal
I'm just imagining them fighting over who gets snakes and eventually settling on sharing.
"I want to be the snek!"
"No I WANNA BE THE SNEK!"
"Silence! Both of you get Sneks."
"Yayyyyy."
@@angierodriguez8972 if I recall correctly Hermes (and perhaps Apollo) also have snakes as their sacred animals (at least in some sources). I think it's quite comical how most of the siblings share a sacred animal. Though Hermes is sometimes depicted as a trickster God so it is fairly understandable why he's associated with snakes. As for Apollo I'm unsure why I think I remember him being associated.
@@_xV01Dx_ "Python", the monster serpent he fought to gain Delphi.
I love that he actually falls when the lyrics say “maybe to fall is to learn one way.”
So, Aphrodite is actually sea foam, or in other interpretations blood, from the Sky Titan Uranus!
Backstory: Uranus and Gaia created all of the titans, but Uranus casted some of their "ugly" children into Tartarus. Gaia hated him for that and got her youngest son, Kronos to tie Uranus to the earth and cut him up. His goop spread across the ocean, and formed Aphrodite, hence the Aphrodite is sky titan goop! (Also the reason she's in a clam is because she's the "pearl of the sea", and her tears of joy turn into pearls)
ALSO ALSO! You should totally check out and/or read the Iliad + watch Percy Jackson the lightning thief musical :D
Also I used the latinized versions of the names, but the Greek ones are Ouranos and Gaea (Kronos can also be spelled Cronos, Chronos, and Cronus)
Ouranos was castrated by his son when he was overthrown and his testicles were thrown to the sea. The frothing semen made contact with the sea and from there Aphrodite was born.
@@SantosoWijaya Oh! Wasn’t aware of that second part, learn something new everyday :D
@@Bee-2181 I suspect some retellings sanitized the source of the sea foam into blood or just plain sea foam, for obvious reason haha.
The castration of Ouranos was a very explicit, gory affair.
I'm loving how Mortius and Casper commented on the visuals matching up with the audio, because it made me realise that Hera's big moves; throwing off the lcoak, the foot stomp by Athena, dropping to the floor, and the spin we get to see part of for a sec immediately after, matches up with the beat noises. *DUM* (pose/move), du-bu-dum, *DUM* (pose/move), last one being when Athena spins her away. And that trumpet-like sound when the servants tighten the cloth around Hera to restrain her again into her role.
The horns and tail on Zeus is bc he is also associated with bulls, and he turns into a swan when he gets angry at Athena im pretty sure
Wait no it's an eagle
Sorry I got some mythology mixed up
@@lavenderbunnie461yea but the swan thing is 100% Zeus too
The thing with aphro and the clam shell is that when she was born she came out of a shell as portraited in the reinassance painting of aphrodite
The reason that in Annie’s animation Hera is getting her close back on is to show that she is trapped in her relationship with Zeus I think
Yeah, she explained in that a wife’s veils were a representation of the husband’s wealth and power. High status women would be so swamped in beads and fabric that they could barely move.
11:33 Gigi has developed an incredible command of spatial sense, I think you're both very right about that.
16:52 I'M CRYING. THAT PROPHET CASPER SPRITE TOOK ME OUT 😭😭😭
Thank for time stamp
You guys should totally do the behind the scenes stuff!!! Especially ✨HERMES✨ and Jay.
"Try to have enough blood in your brain for this-" MORTIUS, WOAH THERE, XD
So fun myth facts: first of all, the reason Aphrodite is in a clam shell is a reference to a famous picture called “the birth of Venus” which depicts Aphrodite being born from the remains of ouranos when he turned into sea foam
Both Athena and ares got some serious snake imagery, which is a not to subtle nod to the fact one of the patron animals they share happens to be snakes. Athena is also often represented in imagery as the gorgon (aka what Medusa is) as she has two different myths associated with it: one with the cursing of Medusa and the other being her shoving Medusa’s head into her shield which retained its power. (I believe the shield one came first since Medusa was an established monster before her origin myth)
If anyone has other fun facts please feel free to add.
GOSH, the animators in this community are out of this world.
the reason why there are so many references to snakes on Athena is not so much to Medusa but to Athena herself: her sacred animals are the owl and the snake (which is why in memory she has the shape of a winged serpent) and in her statues she she was depicted wearing a special armor called the aegis which was decorated with many small snakes, while the shield does indeed have the head of Medusa, cut off by Perseus and given to Athena to thank her. If you see frame by frame in the animatic you will notice her raising her arm and the shield that opens showing the face of Medusa to defend her from Zeus' attack. For the horns of Zeus similar reason: his sacred animal was the bull in addition to the eagle.
Absolutely would love anything Percy Jackson related y’all would do! The show, the musical, literally anything
Can’t wait for them to see Neal’s Ruthlessness animatic :)
They did already, it’s on patreon and they plan on watching Neal’s God Games (and Gigi’s when it’s done) after they return from Chicago :>
@@DragonTamer200 I sadly can’t watch it, I don’t have patreon 🤧
I'm editing their reaction to it right now, it should be coming out this coming Sunday :)
@carefullyplanned It's gonna be Neal's Ruthlessness and Mircsy's Keep Your Friends Close :)
@@MagicMason1000 you are my savior, THANK YOU 🤧🤧🤧😭😭😭
Dear, sweet little Polites. We all love him, we all miss him dearly, we cry whereen he shows up in songs every saga. Our hearts are with you, little Polites.
600 strike….
u @D9gamer1234
Do we have the same prediction?
As much as i love polites… PLEASE STOP SERVING US PANCAKES MR. JORGE!
u @AwakenedRAGEJustin
LOL
The Medusa refrences are because after Perseus finished using the gorgon's head he gave it to Athena, who put it on Aegis her shield. She turned her shield into a necklace pendant at the beginning of the animatic; so the snakes appear around her shoulders because of Aegis.
I really would love to see your guys' reaction and thoughts to PJO!! If that is something you end doing
Mythology with the clam shell is based off of this one famous portrait by Sandro Botticelli where she’s depicted standing on a clamshell rising from sea foam. It’s become the standard of Aphrodite history that she was formed this way after ouranos was chopped to pieces and thrown into the ocean which created sea foam, and from it Aphrodite arose. 29:46
Snake and owl are her animals + medusa shield are main reason for so many shots with such symbols
I just noticed that in Gigi's animatic that the line "to fall is to learn one way" us right after telemachus falls and athena catches him
YESS please Percy Jackson reaction!! That would be so perfect.😍
The clam shell is a reference to Aphrodite’s birth story and a very famous painting, The Birth of Venus by Sandro Botticelli. When killing Ouranos, Kronos c4strates him. The male bits fall into the ocean and the resulting sea foam births Aphrodite, similar to how pearls are made. This is why she’s usually associated with pearls and clam shells!
You should watch Neal Illustrators' version of God Games! It's so COOL! Love the vid
Oh yes neal's was absolutly amazing
43:41 much like ares Athena also has snakes as a divine animal. But notice anni also gave her bird features to symbolize the difference in their symbols. Snakes for ares symbolize the venom and ferocity of battle and strategy. Athena’s snack is her ruthlessness, while the owl represents cunning and wisdom.
@OpenArmsReactions I read a comment under Gigi's video about how Telemecaus saying "I don't know etc etc" is because he actually knows she's talking about his dad, but because ody was never part of his life he never got to know him. So he actually doesn't know what he's like
“He’s just..not sorry for loving it!”
Oh.
Yeah.
Also Zeus’s horns are meant to symbolize one of his sacred animals being a bull I think.
The dove in Aphrodite’s bit is really funny as well because there would be no where for it to perch, it’s either floating or comically large.
And how Heras cloak ties her arms to her side is representing her being trapped in marriage or something.
I keep adding onto this, but the snake is one of Athena’s sacred animals.
I think what she is in the flashback is a mix of a snake and an owl?
Omg, you both need to see "Love in paradise" animatic verzsion by Jojo Fraga. IT IS TOO GOOD to pass by.I will pray until then that you watch it. Have a safe flight to Chicago guys.
Guys on Tumblr know. I can never unsee Anniflamma’s Zeus and Poseidon. I can’t stop thinking about that one AU…
NO
Manwhore is so funny and cursed
NO. STOP. Right now.
You are how more demigods happen.
I'd love to see some of Jorge's behind the scenes stuff make it into your reaction roster!
42:45 actually anniflamma is really dedicated the the related animals and duties of the pantheon in her animations. The reason Poseidon is a horse is because he is god of horses and associated with horses. Hera is associated with peacocks, and she has horns, because Zeus is associated with eagles AND often appears to mortals as a white bull.
29:30 excuse me??? Mortius wasn't feeling family friendly🤣🤣🤣🤣(Maybe he's secretly Poseidon cause that roast was ruthless lmao)
I highly highly recommend watching overly sarcastic productions: the Trojan war to learn about what came before the Odyssey and get some good insight into these gods. The reason the war began is actually way more complex than just Helen being abducted. And it’s at least partly Odyseus’s fault. It’s very funny and informative, both of the actual mythology and the history behind it. Actually a reaction to that would be the greatest thing ever, but I would highly recommend it either way.
YESSSS I WOULD ABSOLUTELY WATCH IT
OSP OSP OSP OSP!
Hera’s clothes being put back on, binding her, is a representation of how marriage(which she is the goddess of) is binding.
THANK YOU so many people have called the bird a PIGEON not a dove and i scream at my phone every time i hear it
I do think "We'll be fine" is Gigi's best animatic.
Athena: *Monologuing directly to the family portrait on the wall*
Telemachus: Wait... you were friends with my mom?!?
20:40 so he has these horns and the tail because many people don't know but the Greek gods have more than one sacred animal and one of Zeus' sacred animals is the bull, just as you will see that Athena likes a snake since it is a sacred animal for her because she took care of a half-snake baby as if it were her son
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I believe she is meant to be a chimeric kind of Amphitere, a european feathered dragon/serpent creature typically depicted with traditional bat-esque wings.
I say chimeric because she seems to be a blend of Owl and Snake, which makes sense given that both have and are associated with wisdom/knowledge/divine power in some form or another.
29:44 To answer that question, the mythology states that Aphrodite was born from seafoam after Cronos cut off Uranus's genitals and threw them into the sea. She was the union of seawater and heaven and was depicted rising out of the sea by the scallop shell.
In terms of the snake showing up a bunch it’s because the snake is actually one of Athena’s sacred animals! Not quite as much as the owl of course but she is depicted with snakes around her or as details on her armour hence why she’s a weird owl snake thing.
I LOOOVE that Hephaestus is portrayed with a disability, and I hope when this hits the stage, this representation is continued. We need more! I also walk with a cane some days (not all), my mom has one arm, and both my mother and sister use wheelchairs (different disabilities). Getting around town with two wheelchairs was an adventure and a half! In Greek myth, Hephaestus was either born with a congenital impairment (club-foot or some other issue) or his legs were injured when Zeus cast him out of Mount Olympus, depending on the story. One of his many epithets is Ἀμφιγυήεις, which means "lame on both sides." So bravo for representing a disability for our blacksmith daddy... wait, that doesn't sound right...
I once read a comment that said that even if Athena said to Telemachus she used to be friends with his father he would still not know "who he is" or "what he's like" because he doesn't know his father at all, he just knows him from the stories he has heard about him.
So this is like another meaning to the lyrics he sings :D
27:16 Ahem: YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES OH MY GOODNESS YES. I love Percy Jackson so much and I would absolutely die to be able to see your guy’s insights into it! Pls pls do it (obviously only if you can, don’t pressure yourselves into doing something that’s too much or doesn’t fit in your schedules.) just know that I would love to see it and will shout about it from the rooftops to all of my Percy Jackson friends!
Edit: I missed the premiere but after watching the live chat for a second: an owl snake/snake owl is similar to the eagle bull that was Zeus. Less of an actual creature/myth rep but more of a combination of their sacred animals. It’s very Greek after all. Take the head from one thing, the body from another and the tail from another lol
Fun fact: Aphrodite was born from a calm shell, she's literally a pearl.
Guys there’s also a new Wouldn’t You Like animatic by Laritamiauu and it’s REALLY good. It’s my favorite Hermes so far (design, characterisation, literally everything)
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Ares jumpscare "-thetic and weak like his s-"
Talking about Hephaestus's depiction in Anniflamma's, the myths actually depict him gaining a limp after Hera throws him down from Olympus. But still, love the representation for disabilities so I'm not going to argue with it.
Outside Hephaestus, there's a whole bunch of sacred animal representation with the other gods. Aphrodite is surrounded by doves, Ares and Athena (both gods of war) transform into snakes, Athena also transforming into an owl, Hera having male peacock feathers for creating them from the Hundred-Eyed Man, Argos, and the "devil horns" on Zeus are actually bull horns, hence why he transformed into a bull hybrid and also an eagle.
Also, live-action Percy Jackson please!
I cannot wait for you to see Neil’s God Games. I LOVE Anniflamma’s God Games but I will grudgingly admit that Neil’s is just top tier.
The eagle and the bull forms of Zeus are references to when he transformed into them in different myths.
Pretty sure Ares's sacred animal was the snake, and he and Athena are siblings in similar domains, represented by them both having Quick Thought for example, so that's why I think they both have a Snake form, as well as the reference to Medusa.
As for Athenas form in the flashback, her being so an owl creates a sort of Feathered Serpent, like the Quetzalcoatl from Aztec mythology, although I do think Greek mythology also had winged snakes, but don't quote me on that.
I saw a comment on Heras part when Anni used the Demo that said that They felt like the fact that Hera is so bound up is a symbol of her marriage to Zeus, she is truly happy for a moment when she is unbound but is quickly made more downtrodden again and bound in clothing. Also The Peacock is Her sacred animal and she set the Watchman Argos to guard Zeus’ lover Io as a prisoner, Hermes put Argos to sleep and killed him so Hera put his hundred eyes on the male peacock, hence why her outfit is inspired by the male peacock.
This is my own theory, but I'm sure other people have thought about it before: Anniflama's gods always have at least one animal trait, either through constant transformation or a permanent feature even in their human form. Athena, however, looks completely human except for moments of great tension. My theory is that originally all gods spent more time in their bestial form, with Athena being some sort of owl-winged serpent. However, she took the form of a human to interact with mortals, and the longer she did, the more human she looked, less scaly/feathery. The other gods are more distant, so some of them retain animal features (ironically, Aphrodite, Ares, and Hephaestus represent human aspects of life, so they also look very human)
As for Medusa, Athena's shield has her face, so when she needs protection the shield activates, when inactive she has it hanging like a necklace!
39:17, I think the covering of Hera represents her relationship with Zeus. She wants to leave the relationship but can’t. She is aware that divorcing Zeus would be bad PR for her brand as “The Goddess of Marriage” (something that regular women who go through as well when contemplating leaving their toxic marriages) and cause Mt. Olympus to go into chaos(we all know how Zeus reacts when things don’t go his way). 😢
Hello, I have scrolled for a while, and I don't see anyone talking about Hephaestus's disability rep in Epic, so I thought I would chime in, although I don't think anybody's going to see this comment.
I could have sworn I saw a video of Jay making a video or short about this, but in the official animations, in both Wolfy's and Tamatutta's animations, you can see the leg braces that he uses. You see his full leg at his intro in Wolfy's video and you can see the top of his braces in Tamatutta's.
In the video that I swear I remember watching, but can no longer find, I remember Jorge saying that Hephaestus forged his own leg braces. Which I thought was super cool, and it's such a shame that I can no longer find that video. If anyone can find it, I would super appreciate a link, haha.
43:41 Oh Hi, Quetzalcoatl! Fancy meeting you in an Epic animatic!😂
30:10 I believe I may know the answer the this. Aphrodite is often told as being born from sea foam (and Zeus sperm). And she is associated with doves, geese, swans, sparrows, shellfish, bees and dolphins. Hinting at more of the clam shell imagery maybe?
Yeah, it was something like that, and I believe she literally appears for the first time on a seashell.
Yes please, for live action Percy Jackson!😫
Well, to at least defend my boy Telemachus a bit for not realising, you could maybe make a small argument that Athena was just looking around his room and all the things hanging there, which just happened to be Ody
But yeah, my boy should have still realised
Like father like son.... Poor lil nugget
Man that we'll be fine animatic was incredible. From the bitter sweet smiling, literally catching him when he falls. The high five. Amazing job
32:05 she was born from seafoam and the blood of a titan, think Uranus. And there's a famous painting called the Birth of Venus. Look it up if you got the time
Aphrodite is in a clam shell because when she was born from sea foam she arrived on land in a shell often depicted as a clam
I love your reactions! I was so excited to see your opinion of We'll Be Fine. Gigi's version seriously made me cry! I do want to mention something (I guess in Telemachus's defense). When he said "I don't know who your friend is," we kind of laughed at how dumb he must be that he saw Athena staring at the tapestry and still couldn't figure it out. But I think Gigi did something very interesting with her animation. We see Telemachus come up behind Athena to look at the tapestry as well, and when he follows her and sings the line, his eyes shift back toward the tapestry. I think he knows she's talking about his father, but he was a baby when his father left. He really doesn't know "who your friend is" or "what he's like" because he doesn't know his father. He only has stories. So he can't offer comfort in regards to Ody, but he does provide comfort by telling her how she makes him, Telemachus, feel. Maybe I'm reading too much into the animation, but I imagine a child separated from their parent really wouldn't "know" them. And in both Legendary and Little Wolf, he never refers to Ody by name or as "father/dad" it's more distant. He says, "is it you I'll find" and "Cause I'm stuck with your stories / But no clue who you are". I think "I don't know who your friend is" is an echo of "But no clue who you are." Just some rambling thoughts lol. Maybe I just wanted to protect our sweet boy.
Two things i noticed. One, the fact Ares was sheilding the other gods with his cape when the strike happened. The second is that he was worried about Athena being dead.
It feels like it points to him and athena while rival gods, do value the other. Areas as the god of the soldier, brave and fearless, athena the goddess of strategy and the general of sorts.
I find it very interesting because usually Ares is depicted as a very maligned god. And while hes not a hero here he does make a decent arguent in regards to his sacrifice of his men, to Ares that would be a deeply cowardly move.
16:52 the face twitch and look mortius gives he is reeling inside in that moment
Highly recommend Sixofcloves god games animatic. Its only the Aphrodite and Ares part, and it's the old audio, but HOLY MOLY!! It's by far the smoothest animation I've seen and has really interesting characterisations of the gods featured
I love the fact that nobody is talking about 16:52 because everyone is just used to Casper predicting things lmao
29:48 "the creation of venus" painted by Botticelli. He said 'oh she came out of a shell' and the painting was so good they all just agreed from then on that she did
I'd love to see you do a reaction to sarcastic productions videos
It's pretty good beginner information on mythology delivered in such a fun way!
30:48 well the shell is probably referencing the famous painting "The Birth Of Venus" since she's said to be born of seafoam and something else which changes depending on the version.
im gonna try and go thru the god games animation and answer some questions/point out fun details that i love from anniflamma's work for yall bc i think its fun. disclaimer i am not an expert and mythology is never constant so theres no "true" version of any of these stories, etc
19:36 her shield, aegis, turns back into Medusas head which she is keeping on a necklace (you can see the snake hair is tied up to become the pendant) and she also gets rid of her spear to show that shes not looking for a fight! from a war god, id think thats one of the highest forms of respect, leaving her weapons behind.
20:23 i think its more bull horn + tail, as reference to the myth where zeus turns into a bull to seduce europa(? i think). in the barest defense, gods turning into animals for seduction reasons happens a lot (i am always thinking about the swan thing)
23:03 i wanna say the words youre looking for are silhouetted art, or maybe cut out? not sure. also monochromatic or something with a limited color scheme. also randomly wanna point out thats apollo has a hyacinth in his art 😢
23:37 i ADORE anniflammas hera design. i think shes talked about how its representative of how repressed she feels in her marriage, explained later with her "breaking free" of it and her attendants trying to put her back in place. also i love how the pearl veil makes it look like shes crying.
24:47 i also like how Apollo is the one pf the more human designs, but hes got a part of his clothes that fades into black and acts like a tail, which feels like a reference to his ""darker"" aspects as a god of plagues. also unrelated to the video or the animation but i do think its incredibly funny that athena lies to the god of TRUTH and hes like "if thats true 🤔🤨😮💨 release him" she owes him for sure
29:44 folks have already mentioned the birth of venus painting and the version of Aphrodites birth related to it so i wont linger here, but i did really like the details casper shared here! :)
37:59 some art has aegis as more of a snake cloak thingy which is why the snakes are there too
39:22 something i really like with this version is how its not played for laughs. hera conceding to athenas point isnt a spit take or anything, shes being forced back into her role as the obedient wife and shes having her husband's infidelity thrown in her face in a way. she still concedes, she is the goddess of marriage and family, so she does rewards when its respected by heroes and punish infidelity (*COUGH* JASON *COUGH*) but yeah. i love how nuanced she is here.
40:59 im gonna ignore What ur reacting to, we all know its cool as hell, and just point out this shot u paused on. i love everyone's faces and body language here. ares is standing in front of the others, protective. he never expected this to happen to the favored child. apollo looks shocked, but hephaestus doesnt, hes surprised, but grim. plenty of versions have zeus being the one to throw him from olympus after all. aphrodite is standing behind her husband, looking disgusted.
41:22 meanwhile, heras not surprised at all, just resigned. shes been on the other side of this after all. she knows her husband, knew exactly how this would turn out. shes separate from the rest of the family both in not being surprised, bur shes also physically isolated from them. man it hurts.
41:29 quick tangent back to ares, he tried to protect them from the blast with his cloak!!
43:41 thats an original design im almost certain, but it does look a bit like Quetzalcoatl from south american myths. don't quote me on anything tho
44:24 ow it hurts :(( also ew degloving yeuck.
i am tired now, this has stressed me out doing this on mobile. gnight :-)
Omg, I would definitely suggest watching the complete Jorge video seen in this video because a scene in Neil’s God Game is inspired by the things Jorge mentioned
Not mortius and casper fangirling (squealed in excitement) when Athena high five with Telemachus😊😂😂😂😂😂
Of course we would love a Percy Jackson reaction! Let's go! Can't wait to see if it comes into fruition or not!
9:20 i guess yall didn't notice or at least didn't while recording but that pause frame suggests that Telemechus "does" think the "friend" was Ody. but since he doesn't know much about his father better to act oblivious than assume. which pretty much confirms his wit
Ever since Gigi's animatic for "We'll Be Fine" came out, I have been waiting to see both of you guy's reactions and am so happy you did this video, along with AnniFlamma's "God Games"
Both deserved their own reaction videos not only because knowing how the both of you would react but just how amazing and perfect these animatics are
27:23 YEEEEEEEWEEEEEEESSSS PLEEEEEAAASSEEER
Interested that they skip Love in Paradise. If they do end up reacting to it, my suggestion would be Noir.Hyacinth, Duvetbox, or Ximena Natzel
I believe they reacted to that song in their last video on this. That's where this clip is from that plays in the beginning.
@hindymarkowitz1340 Oh, ok, I didn't see that clip before. Sorry about that
they reacted to all animatics for wisdom saga, they just went back to god games and we’ll be fine for anni and gigi’s versions
edit: i hate autocorrect lmaoo
The natzel one was really recently released