People call it the grandfather of isekai not because of its age but because of its influence on the other modern isekai. It was ranked 1st for on Narou website for 5 years before it got dethroned by Tensei Slime in 2019 (because of its anime boost). Its success on Narou inspired many new authors starting to write isekai and flooding the site with the genre. To people who don't know Narou website, it's basically a youtube of novel in Japan and the vast majority of Isekai anime were originally self-published novels on it (for example Konosuba, Re:Zero, Slime Tensei...)
Yep you got it on the nose. In my opinion a isekai influenced by Mushoku will have some, but not limited to these elements: 1. Good for nothing Otaku dies of an accident and reincarnated / transferred to another world 2. Truck Kun 3. Goes to Magical school or some academy 4. Has a God figure 5. Retains memories of the past 6. Is a prodigy due being self aware from young** If you look at the excel list you can see that most of the work on the list doesn’t have more than 4 of these elements. Slime started as a slime Arifureta is a revenge story Dungeon Harem is just a guy cheating in another world with op skills and buy slaves. Konosuba has a a lot of the same elements but it’s gag so we don’t talk about that These days the genre mutates to include cheat skill which the whole mange revolves around. Or bing looked down on having a trash skill which turned out to be op.
@@Fumaru As discussed in this very video, Konosuba was parodying all of those elements and came out the same month. Clearly these were all popular tropes before MT came out. Tanya the Evil, which also had all these elements, also was coming out before it. Clearly it did not popularize these trends, it just jumped into the bandwagon of already popular trends.
Ah not denying that the fact that “Mushoku WAS NOT the progenitor of Isekai tropes”. But what reckon is (just so to be clear it is my opinion). Isekai was just a theme amongst many novels on syosetsu. But Mushoku being the reigning champion on syosetsu for years created a huge impact. Imagine when you open the app to see this novel ranked No 1 for years, most people would be inclined to check it out, including other authors. And many would undoubtedly adapt certain elements of this winning formula. It is the ultimate escapism, good for nothing otaku wanting a second chance in life, a all powerful figure to guide him, a niche ability that propels him to success. To be fair, I can’t really say that yes Mushoku was the exact one that cause the propagation of modern Isekai, but I can for sure say that Mushoku used a winning formula and people noticed.
So where do we draw the hard line? Narnia and Alice should probably count, but what about even older tales of exploration? Maybe the Odyssey, the divine comedy or the Viking Sagas?
@@alexdings1725 if you put it that way, then shouldn't "Harry Potter" also counts as an isekai? Magic/spells, "Otherworldly place, races, fantasy stuffs.
Mushoku tensei is actually called the grandfather of modern isekai cause most of the trash isekai we watch now and are being released nowadays are actually inspired by this . take a example of faraway paladin which is released this season is also inspired by mushoku and also you may know the name begging after the end a famous manhwa is also inspired of mushoku and many more .so you cant deny that this did left a big impact in isekai anime now a days and it is also the pregenerator of truck kun the all mighty type of isekai now a days
Hey man don't say trash isekai in the same breath as faraway paladin! Though I'd argue even Sword Art had trash isekai tropes. These were just trash anime tropes that got funneled to the isekai genre imo
@@Durpanny if you don't know man the word isekai your using was also popularised by mushoku it's not like isekai word never existed but defining a genere as isekai also was used after mushoku cause this was the first Light novel to use the word isekai
@@IzzO_874 re: zero kara hajimeru "isekai" seikatsu, has the isekai word in it and came first before mushoku, how is mushoku the first one with that word in the novel?
@@psychoco8747 you know what bro mushoku does not need to be the first but no one can make me deny the fact that it had one of the biggest impact on isekai genere as a whole.
Actually the Oldest of the old isekai anime would Be Aura Battler Dunbine. Look it up. of course there are other stories before that are isekai but this series is the oldest that fits most of the genre modern interpertation.
Man, look at all the angry fanboys in the comment section lol. They're straight-up accusing Jake of being some sort of hater. Honestly, this isn't anything new. If Mushoku fans keep being like this, they're going to end up being one of those hated anime fandoms that people actively avoid and constantly insult. They have no idea what they're doing to themselves. It's honestly kinda funny.
It annoys me so much when people say this stuff (and since I've started covering MT as well as Re:Zero, I've noticed nobody in the MT fan community thinks this, it's like you said, just spread around by badly informed articles and videos). Mushoku Tensei's ending is heavily inspired by Re:Zero (anyone who's read both can tell this, but the author has confirmed it), and he's also talked about a whole bunch of other series that inspired him. I think the grandfather part may be in part because all of the MT web novel was completed in just a couple of years, so it finished long before the other popular isekai, though many of them started at around the same time. Maybe people just look at the completion date, idk...
I heard MT was influenced not only by authors but readers as well during the WN... So no wonder it has numerous cliches incorporated in it. Although not as grandfather, MT really did heavily influenced newer authors such as from the Faraway Paladin and The Beginning after the End so imo it really did became a newer standard...
I really like your mushoku tensei vids. Does it being know for the grandfather of isekai now mean that it has to be the very first and not an isekai inspiration? Being irritated to hear through word of mouth that mushoku tensei is the grandfather of isekai, so are your vids now gonna be downplaying mushoku tensei fact in your videos to put rezero on a podium as number one?
Wait if the "Mushoku tensei's ending is heavily inspired by Re:Zero" statement is true, then MY FVCKING THEORIES THAT ARE WRITTEN IN MY NOTES RIGHT NOW ARE POSSIBLE! although I'm scared that it might spoil someone, but dude, it's really a really funny coincidence, because at first, I really did combine Mushoku and Re Zero (before even Mushoku finished part 1 of its airing and before I even discovered that Mushoku has similar aspects to re zero, but I also did use the fact that the two authors of these shows are good drinking buddies, that's why I combined some of their series's aspect to make my theories.) So some aspect will make sense to me (like how a witch factor are passed down, godly powers, and possibly how when a wf is passed down the previous owner's soul are also being passed down to it.) Because Mushoku tensei has some of these aspect like Re:Zero that got explained in the series (not in the anime yet.) and the reasons for creating it. But anyway, thanks for the info! Time to write some more Re:Zero theories!
@@phines8499 Re:Zero isn't even close to the ending, but if this rumour is true then the same principle of ending can apply. Theory: Subaru dies because of old age, but because of his achievements and meeting certain requirements (like what happened to Rudeus.) That it will affect the future events. I would even throw in the possibility of infinite loop or constant failure to save the world Subaru is in. But because of a loophole (Subaru's existence) that it broke the loop and life can go on. But the question is. Does the same principle like 2 major antagonist (physical antagonist and spiritual antagonist) apply? The duality of personality though, it is confirmed in Re:Zero right? Like Satella and The witch of Envy are two different personality, so I guess my theory can go so far.
@@HelloDarkness- its true, rezero is the inspiration behind Mushoku final arc even the author of mushoku confirmed it himself in his interview, you can even find an article about it and other series that inspired him of writing mushuko.
What people meant by "The Grandfather of Isekai" was starting the getting hit by a truck troupe and starting all the trash modern isekais. Many series copied their idea and made that their form of getting isekaid. It wasn't necessarily the Grandfather that started it all, it was the Grandfather that started truck-kun and the trash modern isekais.
When they say grandfather, it doesn't mean chronologically. It established the tropes a lot of lazy authors overused throughout the years, they started to used the setting as the "genre" and that's why a lot of them never succeed, since it's not a genre but a setting and a lot of good Isekai make sure to separate those two things. So it seems more than likely that you're kinda mad some other series has taken the spotlight alongside Re:Zero as "the best Isekai". And MT hasn't even ended yet.
First, you say that he confused chronology with some trivial, complex statement- Then, you say Jakez is just angry that some other isekai is popular alongside Re:Zero? What? So, you think that he got angry and willfully lied? Why even talk about emotion in a debate? It is just such useless ad hominem. Someone being angry doesn't make them right or wrong. Honestly, I don't think Jakez gives a shit that Pedophile Anime Number 3545 is popular. I think that he, like always, cares about the right facts being out there, as it eliminates a lot of the idiotic noise out there on these discussion boards and TH-cam.
@@rachetmarvel931 no lol , he is planning for side stories not to create another story . MT ended when main characters died and people love it coz of its originality and realism . If he created another isekai then it would be hyped and then people will be disappointed coz of its generic writing. Author's writing was famous in 6-7 years ago due to originality but it wouldn't be like that now. As I said u must have misread or misinterpreted the info coz next volumes will cover the side stories and give a closure to other characters.
@@カジョエラー actually no, Magonote's writing is good nowadays too, why do you think the anime is popular now? And, he did say he plans a sequel, not with rudeus but one of his son who is the real protagonist of the story of the six sided world Didn't you notice many plot points of the world haven't a conclusion yet? Its because this sequel is to conclude the six sided world story, rudeus story is over, now is the story of the world He said he plans to do it after he finishes his sidework: orc hero story.
This video is just a why are we even talking about mushoku tensei with stats and everything. I don't think I should've expected a more fair video from a re zero stan channel but I like your re zero vids but this is just salt vid for no reason than to point out that it's not the god original people think it is so it shouldn't be good now that people know it can't stand on it's own. I like mushoku more so that kinda make me a mushoku stan i think . So now more people are gonna know its not the "original" iskai so just drop it, this is why i think it's a salty vid btw. I always figured original isekai meant more of borrowed from so like sempai isekai imo.
Hate lol , he doesn't hate MT but it's fanboys who basically shit on every other isekai by using phrase granddaddy of isekai . As a fan of MT even I hate this part of fandom
How is it a hate video? Idc if its claimed as "the grandfather of isekai" its good and it deserves the hype that it gets, but literally ive seen TOO MANY mushoku fans spreading misinformation claiming that its the grandfather of isekai as if its the first isekai being created, not only that later they would proudly mention how popular isekais like rezero and konosuba were inspired from it. How is that even possible when rezero came out before it (even in fact being the inspiration behind mushoku final arc) and konosuba only came out one month after it? This video is good to correct those misinformations.
@@lifehacks344 It's not about what came first, it's about which one is more influential. I explained my argument in another comment, not going to repeat myself, there aren't many comments here.
"Marchen awaken romance " could be called the founder of Isekai too since it came from way before when and the premise is similar albeit even better than the Isekai we got now ofc there may be series of another world genre published before it too
I never understood why the nickname "grandfather of the modern Isekai" it is not that old compared to other modern isekai and has neither invented nor popularized any troupe. had a big hit on Narou but Narou wasn't the only web novel website. I believe that MT has in fact inspired other authors of isekai, for example in reincarnation and in having a portagonist who started as a child with the mind of an adult, but these toupe already existed and were already famous. other isekai had already done it before, for example knight and magic. the same for being run over, knight and magic also has the protagonist being run over, but if I remember correctly it was a car and not a truck. MT is good and popular but not as influential as people think
The status is referring to tropic influence i op f it’s initial WN release, silly. From there, many tropes were born from people wanting to imitate its success or just never learned the healthy balance in trope derivation. It’s not called the grandfather of isekai as much as the grandfather of modern isekai. Modern being the key phrase as that refers mainly to the tropes used rather than the genre itself.
I know! It came out after Re:zero and isekai was already pretty established as a genre when that was written. But I think what they mean when they say "grandfather of isekai" is more of solidifying the tropes. Overpowered, harem etc.
@@b_s_productions4405 he struggles with every enemy he encounters Always needs help and never killed or defeated anybody alone in the show right now, he is strong for his age sure but not overpowered
@@Lokitrxs That's why it's so good. even though he is powerful he doesn’t win all the time. It's like Re:zero in that it has the trashy tropes but uses them in a good and realistic way to make a great story.
@@Jakez123please do an accurate research before posting this content. You just make yourself a fool. It's hard not to laugh hearing this video. I can hear your insecurity. Lol
@@Jakez123 nah. But it's funny to listen on your content. You look like a whining kid in TH-cam. You should research more before going this content. The only thing that makes more money to rezero was your 'rem figures', people didn't even care about the story. Just the blue haired maid with bland characteristic.
I agreee for like 90% or so, including the fact that i started got hooked on to the isekai ggenre due to sword art online aswell lol. however, i think that mushouku tensei is more into the full life experience of being reincanated to another world starting from the moment the MC draw breaths in that new world to the end of the story where the MC also draw breaths for the last time in that new world of his. Since mostly isekai stories only picture thMC got summoned level u,fightfound his harem, and so on. meanwhilthose isekai stories that got reincarnated by birth also mostly only picturing the moments the MC being a baby, and time skip for about 10/15 years than starting the basic formula for the isekai genr(like i mention before hand). To be hones if you ask me which i prefer for isekai genre in 2012/2015 or so, i would probably say sword art online but, if you ask me right now, i absolutely say mushouku tensei anyday lol. Although there are no system /interface/A.I. that assist the MC for mushouku tensei, it's just added the more natural point of view. the disapointment there is for the mushouku tensei in my oppinion is that it's not long enough of story XD, although i admit it thfew volume of the last part is quite not that intrested for me, i was still expectin at least a few more volume regarding th story in volume 23 of mushouku tensei. P.S. i love re-zero aswel but hope it can finish very soon so that i don't have to stand by every week for 1 chapter each
Mate, you SERIOUSLY need to get better at doing your research. I've never seen people anywhere saying that Mushoku Tensei was the chronologically the first modern isekai. What I have seen was that it was one of the most influential. I severely suggest you read the TV Tropes entry for "Trope Codifier". I'll copy paste the beginning here. _You have before you three series. The first, Series A, was the first known use of a trope, but it may or may not have been intentional. The second, Series B, was the first intentional use of the trope. The third, Series C, does not claim originality, and may in fact have ripped off series B, but was much more popular than Series A or B and is the template that all later uses of this trope follow._ _Series A is the Ur-Example._ _Series B is the Trope Maker._ _Series C is the Trope Codifier._ I'm not a specialist on modern isekai. But, from what I gather, Sword Art Online was the Trope Maker and Mushoku Tensei was the Trope Codifier. It wasn't the first one to do it, but it was exremely influential.
@@superlepi9330 Rudeus doesn't have to defeat a demon lord though... Actually Mushoku Tensei doesn't even have that hero's quest type trope. It's a weird one in that respect because he's just reincarnated and has a whole life to lead, and that's it - no mission, no demon lord, none of that. He gets involved in stuff, but he wasn't reincarnated because the world needed heroes or whatever, that is the more usual trope.
@@KuroiHoshiV I wouldn't call SAO a modern fantasy Isekai that alot of current modern Isekai copied from either. SAO at least season 1 that made it popular, is not about escapism from modern life into a fantasy setting. It was about getting out of the game, similar to a death game genre in a way. MT arguably popularised the concept of escapism in Isekai and living life to the fullest in a new world rathan than trying to get back home which is the direction most of the modern isekai copied from nowsaday. There is no goal or objective like escaping a game or defeating a demon king, but about living a new life that is better. Also, since I don't consider SAO a proper Isekai. I would say MT was the most popular Isekai web novel in its day, topping ranking throughout its run.
@@superlepi9330 I'd say that is is the grandfather of a certain type of isekai, or a specific sub-genre of isekai. Some people call it modern isekai, others call it Narou Isekai (after the website Shosetsuka ni Narou, where ALL of these stories started as web novels). It kinda laid out the model that apparently has been the most influential and copied. Not sure if this is making much sense. There are people who are much more knowledgeable than me who wrote much better essays than I ever could.
I remember people said this a lot just before it started airing. And my guess is that people were trying to hype it up and give wiggle room for when the flaws show instead of just owning its imperfections. Which is pretty standard internet discourse tbh
So Jakez, i have a theory regarding why people thought Mushoku Tensei was some sort of "grandfather". When SAO was released, people wanted to know what happens after, especially after the second season, i'm a bit ashamed to say it was also my case. So when we checked online, we could easily find a translation of SAO season 3, but on the right of the page there were links to baka tsuki ( mushoku tensei and some others ), wuxiaworld ( chinese novels , became huge thanks to SAO as well especially Coiling Dragon ) and Yoraikun ( Shieldbro ) and the comment section was all about "mushoku tensei and Tate no yuusha being better", this is how i found both of those novels and did read them back then, obviously they were not fully translated but i would read them like you read manga chapters, every week. And since mushoku tensei was pretty advanced, it was the first true isekai for most of us, Re Zero's translation never truly picked up, same for Log horizon until the anime was out, while Mushoku tensei became popular on its own and this popularity was also true in japan, so i guess you could say it was the first truly popular Web novel that could stand on its own without an anime in japan and here.
Pretty sure people refer to it as the "grandfather" or the "godfather" of isekai not because it's the first isekai to came out, but rather to show respect to the show for how great it is, imagine it more as a title rather than describing what it is
Pretty sure Konosuba's death by tractor joke is a direct parallel to Mushoku's death by truck-kun, so it is not, as you said, a joke inspired by the already existing Isekai genre. A bunch of novels copied Mushoku in Narou at the time, so the joke was a lot more poignant among Japan's LN community back then. It's also were the joke truck-kun came from, which isn't a joke that should make a lot of sense to people who didn't see the incredible amount of Mushoku copies from the time, but somehow people seem to miss that. Aside from that, I'm pretty sure Konosuba didn't come out one month later, but three or so. It appears as one because the author of Mushoku redid a bunch of chapters and so the date updated, though this is something I heard from someone else, so take it with a grain of salt.
Konosuba is most definitely influenced by MT. Konosuba started in middle of Isekai craze following MT's release three month prior. I was there. I am Japanese and was reading the Narou website back in 2012-2013. MT's popularity literally exploded the genre, and many, MANY Isekai sprung up after the first two volumes worth of MT was serializing. Konosuba was among them. And by exploding I mean EXPLODING. There were 10x more isekai novels after MT became the most popular novel on the website. (MT held that throne for five straight years too) And that's a CONSERVAIVE estimate. In reality it's probably far more.
The oldest isekai that would fit most definitions of the modern isekai would probably be Aura Battler Dunbine. Its an old isekai mech series that came out back in 1983 but if u want to have a series to trace back that might have helped the genre boom most of the older writers would say it was familiar of zero that inspired many of them to write their own isekai. Today it is regarded as an old classic but back than it was one of the most popular titles ever hell Louise was regarded as the poster girl for the tsundere girl after all. even mushoki tensei author has said that he was inspired by it.
There was a novel series from the 70s, the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, about a social pariah who gets run over by a car and transported to a strange land where he is a chosen hero fated to fight a demon king
Dude, you are just nitpicking, Mushoku Tensei is the "grandfater" because other isekais mostly copied the template, how many SAO rip-offs can you mention? Overlord rip-offs? Re:Zero rip-offs? The most direct comparison is LoTR, where a new work re-used existing elements and set a template that became heavily copied As one spanish youtuber said "MT is the reason why all isekais begin at chapter 8" Think of all the isekais where the MC gets into a new world, hangs around knowing the people until a big outside event forces them to begin a journey where they meet people while adventuring and powering up, its no coincidence they all increased in numbers during the world travelling part of Mushoku Tensei Mushoku Tensei with a smartphone MT Paladin MT but is a grandson MT cheat magician MT assassin MT teacher The beginning after MT Even western isekais follow the template, because its already pretty solid
MT Assassin? Lugh is way smarter and more pragmatic than Rudeus. That's one of the reasons he's awkward with girls. He would get along very nicely with Ryuuguin Seiya. They'd be best friends. Also, there's no big outside event forcing Lugh into a journey. He already came into the world with a contract to stop the Hero.
@@danielantony1882 ". Also, there's no big outside event forcing Light into a journey. He already came into the world with a contract to stop the Hero." Dude... the goddess' mission was the big outside event... BTW, gods speaking to the MC is also an element solidified in MT Lugh is an edgelord, he was a literal "loner in black trenchcoat who kills people" Nothing bad with being an edgelord as long as they accept it, wait until The Eminence In Shadows shows up, and you will see what Assasin Isekai wants to be when it grows up
@@GinHindew110 If we go by that logic then every Assassin is an edgelord. Also, being reincarnated by the goddess of the world is not an outside event. An outside event is when something unrelated to the current shit, happens.
@@danielantony1882 "If we go by that logic then every Assassin is an edgelord" Being an assassin is edgy, being "the worlds finest assassin" is being an edgelord "An outside event is when something unrelated to the current shit, happens." Yeah, because the goddess is a common element of his daily life...
I heard that jobless reincarnation is just the first part of the story in thta universe. It would mean the actual story of the universe would start now, now that the fantacy settings is fixed. You would know if you've read the LN that the world is very undeveloped and inconvenient like in hard mode. Mushoku Tensei is like a backstory regarding to the development of the world which is going to be the actual plot of the hero summoning trope isekai stuff. I don't know if it makes sense but i thought Mushoku Tensei is grand father of isekai.
Trucks killing people are very common in anime and manga, i guess because since its drawn, they may as well draw a big vehicle for more impact But yes, the specific of a truck killing someone who then gets isekaid began in MT, the specifics of the reincarnation were revealed until the prologue/epilogue, but at that point three years had gone by and the truck meme had already spread as the only reason for isekai-ing
I am sure everyone has known the name of this anime called ".hack" which is the pioneer of SAO. Also the reason MT is called pioneer is because every other Isekai felt like going into a game world and playing the game, however MT made a whole new fantasy world not relying on game-like mechanics and actually making it linear life-like progression instead of exponential MC OP growth.
It's dubbed the grandfather of modern isekai because of its influence on the genre. It had nearly of of the tropes compiled into one story done well. For most of its runtime it was #1 in the Narou rankings. When it started wasn't why, but the popularity and influence
i thought the first isekai story was Alice in wonderland.Also there is a anime named KIBA that predate SAO as far as i know (its a 2006 anime) and it was DEFINITELY an isekai (an i dont mean the stuck in a game one either).
I believe the saying is simply a sign of respect for the level of finesse on Mushoku as a series, with terms of how well everything is presented to the viewer. I personally LOVE Re:zero, but Mushoku has honestly taken the top spot for me right now.
Level of finesse , 😂😂 bruh . Honestly I like MT more but rezero have better writing and u can't deny that. I love MT coz of world building but it's writing and characters are the most inconsistent characters I've seen . Even web novel went into too much ecchi gags that it lost its touch during some arcs. I respect the author but not the story. Rezero is purely niche coz it doesn't follow tropes and it doesn't have harem , relationship with females have their own values in rezero . If someone hates MT with good reasons then I accept them easily coz yes MT have controversy and is wierd at times but fanboys theorize their own terms for the story and basically protect its controversial part along with it which is why MT have a pretty much good amount of haters.
@@カジョエラー story having controversy characters and bad character doesn't mean it is bad writing. It is good writing. Learn the meaning of good writing you fool. Writer showed you bad side of human and improved it rather than making perfect. Get your fact correctly.
It happened when mushoku tensei was about to air, mt fans were trying to make people watch it before they dismiss it as another generic isekai so they start calling it the grand father of isekais, personally it only start to annoy me when mt fans were dissing on re zero to promote their own series
Woah, wait really? Giving a self proclaimed title is fine but comparing it another masterpiece? That's just messed up. Also knowing that the author of those two (mushoku tensei and re zero) are good buddies even makes it more messed up.
@@rachetmarvel931 fanboy spotted. Lol can't u just enjoy both and and don't put one above another . Both have flaws , both are good and enjoyable story.
Bro one thing, re zero has only 1 realistic character who is subaru, others are just quirky or weird, but yeah i still like those characters like roswaal who are interesting, re zero is a great story which i would see anytime, but mushoku tensei will always be the most immersive isekai i have ever seen Anyways if you see old isekai then it would be wizard of oz or alive in wonderland
@@danielantony1882 Well all i can say is my perspective from what i watched, i freaking love both series, and tbf i am eager to watch the next episode of re zero the next week than mushoku tensei, but the series i would gladly rewatch forever is mushoku tensei
@@Aeterin That is a good point. Unfortunately, Re:Zero is one of those Novels that doesn't function properly in its Anime adaptation when stuff is cut. A lot of things could be better in the Anime and that is the reason it's not that good of a rewatch. There's too many blanks throughout the Anime and it really is obvious when certain things feel like cut content.
Can people stop saying its actually because Mushoku Tensei inspired everyone else when many the most famous works came out before it to a point where even deconstructions and paradies were coming out before its first chapter even released. Yall just making shit up at this point I dont want to hear it inspired a series unless the author of said series says it in an interview. There were plenty of other to be inspired by so dont just assume and claim they were inspired by Mushoku Tensei because you're used to calling it grandfather of isekai and dont want to admit you may have acidentally been misinformed people.
By the way I personally believe that Reinhardt really able to destroy/beat the Sun... As I know author confirmed that Reinhardt can defeat Od Laguna and some content creators simplified it to "the Sun", but still, this redhaired knight is literally the god, what is the problem with destroing some big hot star?
Sure he might be able to but the god damn sun and Od Laguna are 2 different things and tappei never said would be able to defeat the sun. The problem isn't because he can destroy the sun the problem is the misinformation.
@@avalqnche With all due respect Jakez is the one spreading misinformation on the topic of Reinhard. Let's be honest destroying the Od Laguna is a lot more impressive than the sun. And did you know he said he thinks a nuke could kill Reinhard?
@@avalqnche well now when I look on the topic from this perspective, it makes more sense. But for some reason I still can’t blame Echidnut (I’ve only heard about the sun stuff from his oboreru if video) for the misinformation, because it clearly shows to the animeonlys how strong Rein actually is. On the other hand he could just say that Reinhardt is able to destroy the world if he would want to, so idk
@@tatakae5248 ehhhh sure maybe anime onlies will understand how strong reinhard is but I rather them just watch echidnut's video on how strong is reinhard since it's informative and funny
Mushoku Tensei isn't the grandfather of Isekai, it's the Father. 90% of all modern Isekai steal their stories/ characters/ traits directly from it. Don't believe me? Go ask Truck-kun, he'll give you a full run down. 😳😳
Its the grandfather of modern isekai not that its literally the first time the concept is shown of course there's been all sorts of in another world stories throughout the years. sao isn't really the type of isekai that got copy pasted to death the last decade so its sort of moot in a discussion about what came first when its a different beast imo.
It's the grandfather of alot of the tropes in isekai including truck kun, but isekai in general is soo full of trash there is only a handfull of them even worth watching.
o_O Nani! There are no reasons to like that trash. Especially that its not true. Inuyasha, Escaflowne, Magic Knight Rayearth, El Hazard, Those Who Hunt Elves, Now and Then, Here and There, Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle all did the isakei thing way before and better then Sword art. The only reason it get so much credit is that it was one of the first to stream while the otheres were locked into airing on tv or locked behind a pay wall on cable tv.
@@kineticstar true, but it still managed to get a lot of attention while streaming, paving the way for greater shows.. But yeah, Inuyasha at least is way better (I haven't seen all of the shows you listed)~
@@RobinFromAshes i always have to ask, should inu yasha count as an isekai ? kagome didnt go to another world, just the past of her own world. if its an isekai then should things like back to the future also be one. love that show but i cant see it as an isekai. but hey if truck kun didnt do it then it dont count lol
@@TheUnlovedhomie while maybe not technically an isekai, it's close enough for me. also (spoilers) in the end of inuyasha Kagome loses the ability to go back to her own world (/timeline) when she chooses to stay in inuyasha's. So after that I think it basically becomes a true isekai (although I don't know if yashahime changes any of that)
bruh your imformation is lacking please do your home work properly nexttime btw hoping a good vid nextime cause this is lacking. i know more than the vid and this vid was a researched video
Why are you all using confusing terminologies, good take and bad take cannot be understood by foreigners. Anyways basically you have a terrible understanding, that's all I'm gonna say here
Never Cared to watched Mushko tensei.. the MC is too much of degenerate for me care... honestly it would have been better if he was actually a reincarnation and and Not the Same person. A More a innocent version with him gradually remembering his past life as he Ages An Adult in Child body Perving on others Kids is Very Disgusting. I would even dare Say Seven deadly Sins is somewhat similar in that regard.. Elizabeth is 16 or 17? And he is Constantly harrass her.
wait until they animate Atelier Tanaka, thats the true measure between Men Of Culture and ignorant swine you think Rudeus monologues are perverted? you have seen nothing
I've only watched 4 isekai - re zero , tensura , mushoko tensei and devil is a part timer and i already know there are better isekais than mt re zero has a much better story , tensura is much more enjoyable and devil is a part timer ..... is not better than mt
Man, your taste is trash, i recommend some western equivalents, for rezero there are Mother Of Learning and The Perfect Run, fictions about time loops with main characters who are not idiotic retards, and understand the gigantic OPness of their time looping abilities, plus enemies that are so overpowered the heroes really need the OPness of time looping to stand a chance For tensura... a lot are better, Tree Of Aeons does the "big picture power plays" much better, Everybody Loves Large Chests (MC is a mimic) does a great job with the monster MC and the adventure+fighting, Vainqueur The Dragon does a great "lets build a world where everybody gets along" with logical internal consistency, adventure, power ups and waifus Read them all for free in Royal Road As for MT and DPT, thats up to taste, i guess
@@GinHindew110 first of all , I don't care what you think of my taste . I've watched re zero because it's famous and who did the "idiotic retard " refer to ? I'm guessing it's subaru . if that is true then I have nothing to say to you and also , thanks for the suggestions
@@user-lh5my4ws8j Re:Zero has a gigantic problem, and its how it pretends Subaru is a helpless victim with no powers, overcoming odds with wits and determination, when the whole premise is about him having one of the most overpowered abilities in existence Imagine Jojo's if Dio's time stop was treated as him being the underdog, thats how ridiculous it is, time powers are just too overpowered In MoL and TPR the authors understand how broken time loop is, and the enemies are scaled up accordingly to world-destroying foes, to justify it Re:Zero is like Goku versus LoTR, while MoL and TPR are proper Goku versus Frieza
@@GinHindew110 Subaru is still helpless victim and targeted because his ability and influence on other things. If Subaru didn't had Return By Death, he wouldn't be even targeted so he wouldn't die and suffer. That's the beauty of it.
Re:Zero takes some form of brain capacity to understand what’s going on in the show which you clearly do not have so it’s understandable why you think the show is trash
Like it or not even mushoku author confirmed in his interview that the story you are calling trash is the inspiration behind its final arc and he even confirmed that it was the story that helped him a lot when he was building his own story climax.
Different sort of video for today.
Odd audio this video, noise is mainly coming from the left
@@Rags-Sgar ah, i thought that was my headset lmao, i'll tinker with it.
@@Rags-Sgar ah okay I figured out the issue, my mic was facing the wrong direction lmao
@@Jakez123 never Cared that much about Mushuko. Do Not Like MC because we both know he is Creepy man in a child body
@@Jakez123 lmfao
People call it the grandfather of isekai not because of its age but because of its influence on the other modern isekai. It was ranked 1st for on Narou website for 5 years before it got dethroned by Tensei Slime in 2019 (because of its anime boost). Its success on Narou inspired many new authors starting to write isekai and flooding the site with the genre.
To people who don't know Narou website, it's basically a youtube of novel in Japan and the vast majority of Isekai anime were originally self-published novels on it (for example Konosuba, Re:Zero, Slime Tensei...)
Finally someone gets why it's called so
Yep you got it on the nose. In my opinion a isekai influenced by Mushoku will have some, but not limited to these elements:
1. Good for nothing Otaku dies of an accident and reincarnated / transferred to another world
2. Truck Kun
3. Goes to Magical school or some academy
4. Has a God figure
5. Retains memories of the past
6. Is a prodigy due being self aware from young**
If you look at the excel list you can see that most of the work on the list doesn’t have more than 4 of these elements.
Slime started as a slime
Arifureta is a revenge story
Dungeon Harem is just a guy cheating in another world with op skills and buy slaves.
Konosuba has a a lot of the same elements but it’s gag so we don’t talk about that
These days the genre mutates to include cheat skill which the whole mange revolves around. Or bing looked down on having a trash skill which turned out to be op.
@@Fumaru As discussed in this very video, Konosuba was parodying all of those elements and came out the same month. Clearly these were all popular tropes before MT came out. Tanya the Evil, which also had all these elements, also was coming out before it. Clearly it did not popularize these trends, it just jumped into the bandwagon of already popular trends.
Yes explained it better than I could have
Ah not denying that the fact that “Mushoku WAS NOT the progenitor of Isekai tropes”. But what reckon is (just so to be clear it is my opinion). Isekai was just a theme amongst many novels on syosetsu. But Mushoku being the reigning champion on syosetsu for years created a huge impact. Imagine when you open the app to see this novel ranked No 1 for years, most people would be inclined to check it out, including other authors. And many would undoubtedly adapt certain elements of this winning formula. It is the ultimate escapism, good for nothing otaku wanting a second chance in life, a all powerful figure to guide him, a niche ability that propels him to success. To be fair, I can’t really say that yes Mushoku was the exact one that cause the propagation of modern Isekai, but I can for sure say that Mushoku used a winning formula and people noticed.
We all know Chronicles of Narnia was the grandfather Isekai
Nah nah, Dante's Divine Comedy is the first
@@Cutie_Oni actually it was the sumerian creation story
Didn't the neverending story,Alice in Wonderland and the wizard of Oz come before that though?
@@hollowmoon5334 you mean compared to narnia? Probably, Narnia came during the 1930s iirc, alongside LoTR
@@hollowmoon5334 wz of oz is an isekai?
Alice in Wonderland, written before animation even existed:
-Am I a joke to you??
its isekai if you enter a realm where its possible to go with mind only?
@@doublehit9165 if you dont think that counts as an isekai (which it does).
There's also Wizard of Oz.
If you think spiritually? The Divine Comedy
So where do we draw the hard line? Narnia and Alice should probably count, but what about even older tales of exploration? Maybe the Odyssey, the divine comedy or the Viking Sagas?
@@KuroiHoshiV i was just curious since i dont know when the isekai genre started to have a meaning
@@alexdings1725 if you put it that way, then shouldn't "Harry Potter" also counts as an isekai? Magic/spells, "Otherworldly place, races, fantasy stuffs.
Mushoku tensei is actually called the grandfather of modern isekai cause most of the trash isekai we watch now and are being released nowadays are actually inspired by this . take a example of faraway paladin which is released this season is also inspired by mushoku and also you may know the name begging after the end a famous manhwa is also inspired of mushoku and many more .so you cant deny that this did left a big impact in isekai anime now a days and it is also the pregenerator of truck kun the all mighty type of isekai now a days
Hey man don't say trash isekai in the same breath as faraway paladin!
Though I'd argue even Sword Art had trash isekai tropes. These were just trash anime tropes that got funneled to the isekai genre imo
@@Durpanny if you don't know man the word isekai your using was also popularised by mushoku it's not like isekai word never existed but defining a genere as isekai also was used after mushoku cause this was the first Light novel to use the word isekai
@@IzzO_874 re: zero kara hajimeru "isekai" seikatsu, has the isekai word in it and came first before mushoku, how is mushoku the first one with that word in the novel?
@@psychoco8747 and also the web sites name is narou and I guess mushoku is still there top 5 wn but I might be wrong
@@psychoco8747 you know what bro mushoku does not need to be the first but no one can make me deny the fact that it had one of the biggest impact on isekai genere as a whole.
Digimon is an isekai and that thing has been airing for like ever.
The Grand Fathers of Isekai are "Now and Then, Here and There", "Escaflowne" and "The Twelve Kingdoms"
Actually the Oldest of the old isekai anime would Be Aura Battler Dunbine. Look it up. of course there are other stories before that are isekai but this series is the oldest that fits most of the genre modern interpertation.
all of them trash
@@user-pu1bs9eh7v Says the guy who hasn't even watched them XD
Man, look at all the angry fanboys in the comment section lol. They're straight-up accusing Jake of being some sort of hater.
Honestly, this isn't anything new. If Mushoku fans keep being like this, they're going to end up being one of those hated anime fandoms that people actively avoid and constantly insult.
They have no idea what they're doing to themselves. It's honestly kinda funny.
It annoys me so much when people say this stuff (and since I've started covering MT as well as Re:Zero, I've noticed nobody in the MT fan community thinks this, it's like you said, just spread around by badly informed articles and videos). Mushoku Tensei's ending is heavily inspired by Re:Zero (anyone who's read both can tell this, but the author has confirmed it), and he's also talked about a whole bunch of other series that inspired him. I think the grandfather part may be in part because all of the MT web novel was completed in just a couple of years, so it finished long before the other popular isekai, though many of them started at around the same time. Maybe people just look at the completion date, idk...
I heard MT was influenced not only by authors but readers as well during the WN... So no wonder it has numerous cliches incorporated in it.
Although not as grandfather, MT really did heavily influenced newer authors such as from the Faraway Paladin and The Beginning after the End so imo it really did became a newer standard...
I really like your mushoku tensei vids. Does it being know for the grandfather of isekai now mean that it has to be the very first and not an isekai inspiration? Being irritated to hear through word of mouth that mushoku tensei is the grandfather of isekai, so are your vids now gonna be downplaying mushoku tensei fact in your videos to put rezero on a podium as number one?
Wait if the "Mushoku tensei's ending is heavily inspired by Re:Zero" statement is true, then MY FVCKING THEORIES THAT ARE WRITTEN IN MY NOTES RIGHT NOW ARE POSSIBLE! although I'm scared that it might spoil someone, but dude, it's really a really funny coincidence, because at first, I really did combine Mushoku and Re Zero (before even Mushoku finished part 1 of its airing and before I even discovered that Mushoku has similar aspects to re zero, but I also did use the fact that the two authors of these shows are good drinking buddies, that's why I combined some of their series's aspect to make my theories.) So some aspect will make sense to me (like how a witch factor are passed down, godly powers, and possibly how when a wf is passed down the previous owner's soul are also being passed down to it.) Because Mushoku tensei has some of these aspect like Re:Zero that got explained in the series (not in the anime yet.) and the reasons for creating it. But anyway, thanks for the info! Time to write some more Re:Zero theories!
@@phines8499 Re:Zero isn't even close to the ending, but if this rumour is true then the same principle of ending can apply.
Theory:
Subaru dies because of old age, but because of his achievements and meeting certain requirements (like what happened to Rudeus.) That it will affect the future events. I would even throw in the possibility of infinite loop or constant failure to save the world Subaru is in. But because of a loophole (Subaru's existence) that it broke the loop and life can go on. But the question is. Does the same principle like 2 major antagonist (physical antagonist and spiritual antagonist) apply?
The duality of personality though, it is confirmed in Re:Zero right? Like Satella and The witch of Envy are two different personality, so I guess my theory can go so far.
@@HelloDarkness- its true, rezero is the inspiration behind Mushoku final arc even the author of mushoku confirmed it himself in his interview, you can even find an article about it and other series that inspired him of writing mushuko.
I'm pretty sure there are novels from every time period that could be considered isakei alot of which space way back before anime was a thing.
What people meant by "The Grandfather of Isekai" was starting the getting hit by a truck troupe and starting all the trash modern isekais. Many series copied their idea and made that their form of getting isekaid. It wasn't necessarily the Grandfather that started it all, it was the Grandfather that started truck-kun and the trash modern isekais.
No lol
When they say grandfather, it doesn't mean chronologically.
It established the tropes a lot of lazy authors overused throughout the years, they started to used the setting as the "genre" and that's why a lot of them never succeed, since it's not a genre but a setting and a lot of good Isekai make sure to separate those two things.
So it seems more than likely that you're kinda mad some other series has taken the spotlight alongside Re:Zero as "the best Isekai".
And MT hasn't even ended yet.
MT has ended already
First, you say that he confused chronology with some trivial, complex statement- Then, you say Jakez is just angry that some other isekai is popular alongside Re:Zero? What? So, you think that he got angry and willfully lied? Why even talk about emotion in a debate? It is just such useless ad hominem. Someone being angry doesn't make them right or wrong.
Honestly, I don't think Jakez gives a shit that Pedophile Anime Number 3545 is popular. I think that he, like always, cares about the right facts being out there, as it eliminates a lot of the idiotic noise out there on these discussion boards and TH-cam.
@@andrespablos8809 Not really, the author is still planning a sequel.
@@rachetmarvel931 no lol , he is planning for side stories not to create another story . MT ended when main characters died and people love it coz of its originality and realism . If he created another isekai then it would be hyped and then people will be disappointed coz of its generic writing. Author's writing was famous in 6-7 years ago due to originality but it wouldn't be like that now.
As I said u must have misread or misinterpreted the info coz next volumes will cover the side stories and give a closure to other characters.
@@カジョエラー actually no, Magonote's writing is good nowadays too, why do you think the anime is popular now? And, he did say he plans a sequel, not with rudeus but one of his son who is the real protagonist of the story of the six sided world
Didn't you notice many plot points of the world haven't a conclusion yet?
Its because this sequel is to conclude the six sided world story, rudeus story is over, now is the story of the world
He said he plans to do it after he finishes his sidework: orc hero story.
We all know Chalk zone is the Grand father of Isekai
This video is just a why are we even talking about mushoku tensei with stats and everything. I don't think I should've expected a more fair video from a re zero stan channel but I like your re zero vids but this is just salt vid for no reason than to point out that it's not the god original people think it is so it shouldn't be good now that people know it can't stand on it's own. I like mushoku more so that kinda make me a mushoku stan i think . So now more people are gonna know its not the "original" iskai so just drop it, this is why i think it's a salty vid btw. I always figured original isekai meant more of borrowed from so like sempai isekai imo.
Lol what?
Hate lol , he doesn't hate MT but it's fanboys who basically shit on every other isekai by using phrase granddaddy of isekai . As a fan of MT even I hate this part of fandom
How is it a hate video? Idc if its claimed as "the grandfather of isekai" its good and it deserves the hype that it gets, but literally ive seen TOO MANY mushoku fans spreading misinformation claiming that its the grandfather of isekai as if its the first isekai being created, not only that later they would proudly mention how popular isekais like rezero and konosuba were inspired from it. How is that even possible when rezero came out before it (even in fact being the inspiration behind mushoku final arc) and konosuba only came out one month after it? This video is good to correct those misinformations.
The sound for whatever reason is higher on the left side.
Truly grandfather of isekai imo. Top 1 isekai
I love all isekai anime too but man... nothing beats ReZero!
Best isekai hands down
I agree
Agreed
Cause it's the only isekai which seems more about psychology horror than fun adventure
@@dragoncat5767 Yeah, its unique!
People: Mushoku Tensei is the grandfather of Isekai
Jakez: I am about to end their entire career
Except he didn't. He should improve his research. Read my other comment.
@@VictorLiso cry some more
"modern isekai"
@@VictorLiso nah, dude there were a lot more generic isekai's before MT, do some research
@@lifehacks344 It's not about what came first, it's about which one is more influential. I explained my argument in another comment, not going to repeat myself, there aren't many comments here.
"Marchen awaken romance " could be called the founder of Isekai too since it came from way before when and the premise is similar albeit even better than the Isekai we got now ofc there may be series of another world genre published before it too
I never understood why the nickname "grandfather of the modern Isekai"
it is not that old compared to other modern isekai and has neither invented nor popularized any troupe.
had a big hit on Narou but Narou wasn't the only web novel website.
I believe that MT has in fact inspired other authors of isekai, for example in reincarnation and in having a portagonist who started as a child with the mind of an adult, but these toupe already existed and were already famous.
other isekai had already done it before, for example knight and magic.
the same for being run over, knight and magic also has the protagonist being run over, but if I remember correctly it was a car and not a truck.
MT is good and popular but not as influential as people think
Hearing SAO made Mushoku Tensei popular sounds like BS.
It's true, unfortunately.
We all know The Divine Comedy is the first isekai
True that.
The Divine Comedy is a self insert fic where the author gets to be noticed by sempai, and travels to meet his waifu
No joke, thats actually there
@@GinHindew110 still an isekai lmao, considering Dante goes to other worlds
@@Cutie_Oni Is it though? As far as I understand heaven and hell depicted in Dante are just extension of this world, so they didnt go to another world
@@username-ql8ox it is still another realm, so...
The status is referring to tropic influence i op f it’s initial WN release, silly. From there, many tropes were born from people wanting to imitate its success or just never learned the healthy balance in trope derivation.
It’s not called the grandfather of isekai as much as the grandfather of modern isekai. Modern being the key phrase as that refers mainly to the tropes used rather than the genre itself.
Anyone else got confused when people started calling mt the grandfather of isekai?
I know! It came out after Re:zero and isekai was already pretty established as a genre when that was written. But I think what they mean when they say "grandfather of isekai" is more of solidifying the tropes. Overpowered, harem etc.
@@b_s_productions4405 bro, wdym with overpowered, rudeus isn't overpowered
@@Lokitrxs Right, a five year old casting advanced magic isn't overpowered.
@@b_s_productions4405 he struggles with every enemy he encounters
Always needs help and never killed or defeated anybody alone in the show right now, he is strong for his age sure but not overpowered
@@Lokitrxs That's why it's so good. even though he is powerful he doesn’t win all the time. It's like Re:zero in that it has the trashy tropes but uses them in a good and realistic way to make a great story.
Let's all agree that as animes Mushoku is inherently better as it has the best adaptation for a light novel series
I believe that re: zero is better, I mean the mushoku fans are currently malding over volume 7 being adapted or skipped atm
@@Jakez123please do an accurate research before posting this content. You just make yourself a fool. It's hard not to laugh hearing this video. I can hear your insecurity. Lol
@@All-about-reading I triggered someone aye.
@@Jakez123 nah. But it's funny to listen on your content. You look like a whining kid in TH-cam. You should research more before going this content. The only thing that makes more money to rezero was your 'rem figures', people didn't even care about the story. Just the blue haired maid with bland characteristic.
I agreee for like 90% or so, including the fact that i started got hooked on to the isekai ggenre due to sword art online aswell lol. however, i think that mushouku tensei is more into the full life experience of being reincanated to another world starting from the moment the MC draw breaths in that new world to the end of the story where the MC also draw breaths for the last time in that new world of his. Since mostly isekai stories only picture thMC got summoned level u,fightfound his harem, and so on. meanwhilthose isekai stories that got reincarnated by birth also mostly only picturing the moments the MC being a baby, and time skip for about 10/15 years than starting the basic formula for the isekai genr(like i mention before hand). To be hones if you ask me which i prefer for isekai genre in 2012/2015 or so, i would probably say sword art online but, if you ask me right now, i absolutely say mushouku tensei anyday lol. Although there are no system /interface/A.I. that assist the MC for mushouku tensei, it's just added the more natural point of view. the disapointment there is for the mushouku tensei in my oppinion is that it's not long enough of story XD, although i admit it thfew volume of the last part is quite not that intrested for me, i was still expectin at least a few more volume regarding th story in volume 23 of mushouku tensei. P.S. i love re-zero aswel but hope it can finish very soon so that i don't have to stand by every week for 1 chapter each
The audio seems to be louder from the left side.
yea my mic was facing in the wrong direction, big L on my part.
Talk about missing the point. This is actually sad. Can't believe we're still having this dumb conversation in 2021.
My 2nd favourite isekai. Re zero is my first of course
Mate, you SERIOUSLY need to get better at doing your research. I've never seen people anywhere saying that Mushoku Tensei was the chronologically the first modern isekai. What I have seen was that it was one of the most influential. I severely suggest you read the TV Tropes entry for "Trope Codifier". I'll copy paste the beginning here.
_You have before you three series. The first, Series A, was the first known use of a trope, but it may or may not have been intentional. The second, Series B, was the first intentional use of the trope. The third, Series C, does not claim originality, and may in fact have ripped off series B, but was much more popular than Series A or B and is the template that all later uses of this trope follow._
_Series A is the Ur-Example._
_Series B is the Trope Maker._
_Series C is the Trope Codifier._
I'm not a specialist on modern isekai. But, from what I gather, Sword Art Online was the Trope Maker and Mushoku Tensei was the Trope Codifier. It wasn't the first one to do it, but it was exremely influential.
That doesn't work, because Mushoku Tensei, while being loved didn't reached the same level of popularity as SAO.
so MT is the grandfather of a certain trope in isekai (defeating the demon lord etc) but not isekai in general?
@@superlepi9330 Rudeus doesn't have to defeat a demon lord though... Actually Mushoku Tensei doesn't even have that hero's quest type trope. It's a weird one in that respect because he's just reincarnated and has a whole life to lead, and that's it - no mission, no demon lord, none of that. He gets involved in stuff, but he wasn't reincarnated because the world needed heroes or whatever, that is the more usual trope.
@@KuroiHoshiV I wouldn't call SAO a modern fantasy Isekai that alot of current modern Isekai copied from either. SAO at least season 1 that made it popular, is not about escapism from modern life into a fantasy setting. It was about getting out of the game, similar to a death game genre in a way. MT arguably popularised the concept of escapism in Isekai and living life to the fullest in a new world rathan than trying to get back home which is the direction most of the modern isekai copied from nowsaday. There is no goal or objective like escaping a game or defeating a demon king, but about living a new life that is better. Also, since I don't consider SAO a proper Isekai. I would say MT was the most popular Isekai web novel in its day, topping ranking throughout its run.
@@superlepi9330 I'd say that is is the grandfather of a certain type of isekai, or a specific sub-genre of isekai. Some people call it modern isekai, others call it Narou Isekai (after the website Shosetsuka ni Narou, where ALL of these stories started as web novels). It kinda laid out the model that apparently has been the most influential and copied. Not sure if this is making much sense. There are people who are much more knowledgeable than me who wrote much better essays than I ever could.
I remember people said this a lot just before it started airing. And my guess is that people were trying to hype it up and give wiggle room for when the flaws show instead of just owning its imperfections. Which is pretty standard internet discourse tbh
Jakez do you like the devil is a part timer?
I think its great imo.
Bruh
Disney did isekai before isekai anime even existed
So Jakez, i have a theory regarding why people thought Mushoku Tensei was some sort of "grandfather".
When SAO was released, people wanted to know what happens after, especially after the second season, i'm a bit ashamed to say it was also my case.
So when we checked online, we could easily find a translation of SAO season 3, but on the right of the page there were links to baka tsuki ( mushoku tensei and some others ), wuxiaworld ( chinese novels , became huge thanks to SAO as well especially Coiling Dragon ) and Yoraikun ( Shieldbro ) and the comment section was all about "mushoku tensei and Tate no yuusha being better", this is how i found both of those novels and did read them back then, obviously they were not fully translated but i would read them like you read manga chapters, every week.
And since mushoku tensei was pretty advanced, it was the first true isekai for most of us, Re Zero's translation never truly picked up, same for Log horizon until the anime was out, while Mushoku tensei became popular on its own and this popularity was also true in japan, so i guess you could say it was the first truly popular Web novel that could stand on its own without an anime in japan and here.
A bunch of kids trapped in a computer-like word? Digimon anyone?
Pretty sure people refer to it as the "grandfather" or the "godfather" of isekai not because it's the first isekai to came out, but rather to show respect to the show for how great it is, imagine it more as a title rather than describing what it is
"Isekai"
Subtitles : Issue guys
Pretty sure Konosuba's death by tractor joke is a direct parallel to Mushoku's death by truck-kun, so it is not, as you said, a joke inspired by the already existing Isekai genre. A bunch of novels copied Mushoku in Narou at the time, so the joke was a lot more poignant among Japan's LN community back then. It's also were the joke truck-kun came from, which isn't a joke that should make a lot of sense to people who didn't see the incredible amount of Mushoku copies from the time, but somehow people seem to miss that. Aside from that, I'm pretty sure Konosuba didn't come out one month later, but three or so. It appears as one because the author of Mushoku redid a bunch of chapters and so the date updated, though this is something I heard from someone else, so take it with a grain of salt.
Konosuba is most definitely influenced by MT.
Konosuba started in middle of Isekai craze following MT's release three month prior. I was there. I am Japanese and was reading the Narou website back in 2012-2013. MT's popularity literally exploded the genre, and many, MANY Isekai sprung up after the first two volumes worth of MT was serializing. Konosuba was among them.
And by exploding I mean EXPLODING. There were 10x more isekai novels after MT became the most popular novel on the website. (MT held that throne for five straight years too) And that's a CONSERVAIVE estimate. In reality it's probably far more.
Never expected to ever to see SAO pics in your videos
Ngl I used to love SAO then stopped reading it after mother Rosario
The oldest isekai that would fit most definitions of the modern isekai would probably be Aura Battler Dunbine. Its an old isekai mech series that came out back in 1983 but if u want to have a series to trace back that might have helped the genre boom most of the older writers would say it was familiar of zero that inspired many of them to write their own isekai. Today it is regarded as an old classic but back than it was one of the most popular titles ever hell Louise was regarded as the poster girl for the tsundere girl after all. even mushoki tensei author has said that he was inspired by it.
There was a novel series from the 70s, the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, about a social pariah who gets run over by a car and transported to a strange land where he is a chosen hero fated to fight a demon king
Dude, you are just nitpicking, Mushoku Tensei is the "grandfater" because other isekais mostly copied the template, how many SAO rip-offs can you mention?
Overlord rip-offs?
Re:Zero rip-offs?
The most direct comparison is LoTR, where a new work re-used existing elements and set a template that became heavily copied
As one spanish youtuber said "MT is the reason why all isekais begin at chapter 8"
Think of all the isekais where the MC gets into a new world, hangs around knowing the people until a big outside event forces them to begin a journey where they meet people while adventuring and powering up, its no coincidence they all increased in numbers during the world travelling part of Mushoku Tensei
Mushoku Tensei with a smartphone
MT Paladin
MT but is a grandson
MT cheat magician
MT assassin
MT teacher
The beginning after MT
Even western isekais follow the template, because its already pretty solid
MT Assassin? Lugh is way smarter and more pragmatic than Rudeus. That's one of the reasons he's awkward with girls. He would get along very nicely with Ryuuguin Seiya. They'd be best friends. Also, there's no big outside event forcing Lugh into a journey. He already came into the world with a contract to stop the Hero.
@@danielantony1882 ". Also, there's no big outside event forcing Light into a journey. He already came into the world with a contract to stop the Hero."
Dude... the goddess' mission was the big outside event...
BTW, gods speaking to the MC is also an element solidified in MT
Lugh is an edgelord, he was a literal "loner in black trenchcoat who kills people"
Nothing bad with being an edgelord as long as they accept it, wait until The Eminence In Shadows shows up, and you will see what Assasin Isekai wants to be when it grows up
@@GinHindew110 If we go by that logic then every Assassin is an edgelord. Also, being reincarnated by the goddess of the world is not an outside event. An outside event is when something unrelated to the current shit, happens.
@@danielantony1882 "If we go by that logic then every Assassin is an edgelord"
Being an assassin is edgy, being "the worlds finest assassin" is being an edgelord
"An outside event is when something unrelated to the current shit, happens."
Yeah, because the goddess is a common element of his daily life...
@@GinHindew110 She is though. She's the one to greet people when they die.
I heard that jobless reincarnation is just the first part of the story in thta universe. It would mean the actual story of the universe would start now, now that the fantacy settings is fixed. You would know if you've read the LN that the world is very undeveloped and inconvenient like in hard mode.
Mushoku Tensei is like a backstory regarding to the development of the world which is going to be the actual plot of the hero summoning trope isekai stuff. I don't know if it makes sense but i thought Mushoku Tensei is grand father of isekai.
I think the story with Rudy is the prologue before the main story
More like it's the beginning of the end.
I heard that "Truck kun" was first introduced in MT... is that true?
@Temperance he said in the video that Konosuba was written a month after MT 1:55
Since KonoSuba made a joke out of it, Truck-kun was likely already an established trope.
@Temperance KonoSuba had tractor-kun...
@@NatalieXHunter it was a tractor but kazuma assumed it was a truck so it seems like the truck trope has been there for quite long time.
Trucks killing people are very common in anime and manga, i guess because since its drawn, they may as well draw a big vehicle for more impact
But yes, the specific of a truck killing someone who then gets isekaid began in MT, the specifics of the reincarnation were revealed until the prologue/epilogue, but at that point three years had gone by and the truck meme had already spread as the only reason for isekai-ing
Only mushoku tensei I can watch isekai without feeling meh
I love MT
I love Re Zero
Btw your audio is left aligned so you might wanna check on that...
yea my mic was facing the wrong direction, big L on my part lmao.
I am sure everyone has known the name of this anime called ".hack" which is the pioneer of SAO.
Also the reason MT is called pioneer is because every other Isekai felt like going into a game world and playing the game, however MT made a whole new fantasy world not relying on game-like mechanics and actually making it linear life-like progression instead of exponential MC OP growth.
I think that can be zero no tsukaima or another one, because SAO is not really a isekai.
What about WN I see only LN in the video
It's dubbed the grandfather of modern isekai because of its influence on the genre. It had nearly of of the tropes compiled into one story done well. For most of its runtime it was #1 in the Narou rankings. When it started wasn't why, but the popularity and influence
i thought the first isekai story was Alice in wonderland.Also there is a anime named KIBA that predate SAO as far as i know (its a 2006 anime) and it was DEFINITELY an isekai (an i dont mean the stuck in a game one either).
My right ear is lonely
I believe the saying is simply a sign of respect for the level of finesse on Mushoku as a series, with terms of how well everything is presented to the viewer.
I personally LOVE Re:zero, but Mushoku has honestly taken the top spot for me right now.
Respect for what? Liking children?
Level of finesse , 😂😂 bruh . Honestly I like MT more but rezero have better writing and u can't deny that. I love MT coz of world building but it's writing and characters are the most inconsistent characters I've seen . Even web novel went into too much ecchi gags that it lost its touch during some arcs.
I respect the author but not the story.
Rezero is purely niche coz it doesn't follow tropes and it doesn't have harem , relationship with females have their own values in rezero .
If someone hates MT with good reasons then I accept them easily coz yes MT have controversy and is wierd at times but fanboys theorize their own terms for the story and basically protect its controversial part along with it which is why MT have a pretty much good amount of haters.
@@カジョエラー story having controversy characters and bad character doesn't mean it is bad writing. It is good writing. Learn the meaning of good writing you fool. Writer showed you bad side of human and improved it rather than making perfect. Get your fact correctly.
Pause and Select series on Isekai is a good primer on the subject
Actually the real grand father of isekai that animated is dunbine
Would Subaru Natsuki be able to survive Squid Game ?
Pretty much yes coz on every death will know the moves.
yes? thats his power, he is pretty much invincible, unless he fucks up
@@GinHindew110 I mean that's his power , to fuck shit up then do it the right way.
What is, ice pie?
El hazard is a very distant ancestor.
Didn't the writer of Mushoku Tensei said that it was somewhat inspired by Rezero?
Nah bro the grandfather of isekai is obviously alive in wonderland 😮💨
Sword art? Dude did you never do your own data verification?
Inuyasha and Escaflowne have entered the chat!
MF ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU!
I mean can u really call inuyasha a isekai. I agree on escaflowne though.
Does no one remember .Hack?
Mushoku Tensei not Mashoko Tensei
It happened when mushoku tensei was about to air, mt fans were trying to make people watch it before they dismiss it as another generic isekai so they start calling it the grand father of isekais, personally it only start to annoy me when mt fans were dissing on re zero to promote their own series
Lol I only watched it cuz people started comparing the both of them
Woah, wait really? Giving a self proclaimed title is fine but comparing it another masterpiece? That's just messed up. Also knowing that the author of those two (mushoku tensei and re zero) are good buddies even makes it more messed up.
MT is a better written LN then rezero, so they weren't wrong there.
@@rachetmarvel931 fanboy spotted. Lol can't u just enjoy both and and don't put one above another . Both have flaws , both are good and enjoyable story.
@@カジョエラー it's his opinion if he thinks MT is written better than Re:Zero, it doesn't mean he's a fanboy.
Jakez should write a smolbaru fanfic
Bro one thing, re zero has only 1 realistic character who is subaru, others are just quirky or weird, but yeah i still like those characters like roswaal who are interesting, re zero is a great story which i would see anytime, but mushoku tensei will always be the most immersive isekai i have ever seen
Anyways if you see old isekai then it would be wizard of oz or alive in wonderland
That's quite a bold statement for someone in the Anime only range.
@@danielantony1882 Well all i can say is my perspective from what i watched, i freaking love both series, and tbf i am eager to watch the next episode of re zero the next week than mushoku tensei, but the series i would gladly rewatch forever is mushoku tensei
@@Aeterin That is a good point.
Unfortunately, Re:Zero is one of those Novels that doesn't function properly in its Anime adaptation when stuff is cut. A lot of things could be better in the Anime and that is the reason it's not that good of a rewatch. There's too many blanks throughout the Anime and it really is obvious when certain things feel like cut content.
@@danielantony1882 Yap that's why anime wise i would rank mushoku just above re zero
Can people stop saying its actually because Mushoku Tensei inspired everyone else when many the most famous works came out before it to a point where even deconstructions and paradies were coming out before its first chapter even released. Yall just making shit up at this point I dont want to hear it inspired a series unless the author of said series says it in an interview. There were plenty of other to be inspired by so dont just assume and claim they were inspired by Mushoku Tensei because you're used to calling it grandfather of isekai and dont want to admit you may have acidentally been misinformed people.
Or digimon?
I can’t watch this. Why?
By the way I personally believe that Reinhardt really able to destroy/beat the Sun... As I know author confirmed that Reinhardt can defeat Od Laguna and some content creators simplified it to "the Sun", but still, this redhaired knight is literally the god, what is the problem with destroing some big hot star?
Sure he might be able to but the god damn sun and Od Laguna are 2 different things and tappei never said would be able to defeat the sun. The problem isn't because he can destroy the sun the problem is the misinformation.
@@avalqnche With all due respect Jakez is the one spreading misinformation on the topic of Reinhard. Let's be honest destroying the Od Laguna is a lot more impressive than the sun. And did you know he said he thinks a nuke could kill Reinhard?
@@avalqnche well now when I look on the topic from this perspective, it makes more sense. But for some reason I still can’t blame Echidnut (I’ve only heard about the sun stuff from his oboreru if video) for the misinformation, because it clearly shows to the animeonlys how strong Rein actually is. On the other hand he could just say that Reinhardt is able to destroy the world if he would want to, so idk
@@vortechstg4091 Did he give his reasons?
@@tatakae5248 ehhhh sure maybe anime onlies will understand how strong reinhard is but I rather them just watch echidnut's video on how strong is reinhard since it's informative and funny
Hmmm... 34 dislikes.
Looks like a spicy video.
Mushoku Tensei isn't the grandfather of Isekai, it's the Father. 90% of all modern Isekai steal their stories/ characters/ traits directly from it. Don't believe me? Go ask Truck-kun, he'll give you a full run down. 😳😳
Nah familiar of zero is the real progenitor of isekai
This was my first isekai that I read/watched
Same
Its the grandfather of modern isekai not that its literally the first time the concept is shown of course there's been all sorts of in another world stories throughout the years.
sao isn't really the type of isekai that got copy pasted to death the last decade so its sort of moot in a discussion about what came first when its a different beast imo.
The familiar of zero is the grandfather of isekai
Goku black part 3 when?
Don't worry bud I am still here for u .
@@カジョエラー oh heya how've you been
@@laertlani2826 good bruh , couldn't watch the last few videos of jakez due to exams so couldn't reply to u.
is DragonBall Super still relevant? honest question, i get my DG fix with DG Multiverse
@@カジョエラー Tis fine. Good to see you're good.
My first Isekai was Digimon
It's the grandfather of alot of the tropes in isekai including truck kun, but isekai in general is soo full of trash there is only a handfull of them even worth watching.
Is zero no tsukaima consider an isekai?
Should be...I think
Yes
do something about your microphone cause it sounds like you're speaking from the left corner
Yea the mic was pointed the wrong way.
It finally worked. I could watch your video
I heard it was the origin of Isekai tropes not Isekai it's self, does that still count?
Yes, he is the one who popularized reincarnation isekai and way too many authors were inspired by it
hmm interesting
Personally I don't like mushoku tensei and i only like rezero and tensura
When you know that Re:Zero isn’t a reincarnation isekai but an incarnation one instead
Isn't rezero a transported to other world isekai?
Correct me if I'm wrong
@@sowrabsinha1931 Oui, it is.
Not grandfather the this anime Gene
This entertaining show to watch
Jakez finally made a good video.
Ok
One great reason to respect SAO~
o_O Nani! There are no reasons to like that trash. Especially that its not true. Inuyasha, Escaflowne, Magic Knight Rayearth, El Hazard, Those Who Hunt Elves, Now and Then, Here and There, Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle all did the isakei thing way before and better then Sword art. The only reason it get so much credit is that it was one of the first to stream while the otheres were locked into airing on tv or locked behind a pay wall on cable tv.
@@kineticstar true, but it still managed to get a lot of attention while streaming, paving the way for greater shows..
But yeah, Inuyasha at least is way better (I haven't seen all of the shows you listed)~
@@RobinFromAshes i always have to ask, should inu yasha count as an isekai ? kagome didnt go to another world, just the past of her own world. if its an isekai then should things like back to the future also be one. love that show but i cant see it as an isekai.
but hey if truck kun didnt do it then it dont count lol
@@TheUnlovedhomie while maybe not technically an isekai, it's close enough for me.
also (spoilers) in the end of inuyasha Kagome loses the ability to go back to her own world (/timeline) when she chooses to stay in inuyasha's. So after that I think it basically becomes a true isekai (although I don't know if yashahime changes any of that)
@@kineticstar sao is better
how'd you fuck the audio up so bad
bruh your imformation is lacking please do your home work properly nexttime btw hoping a good vid nextime cause this is lacking. i know more than the vid and this vid was a researched video
mushoku tensei is not good; whether its the father of isekai or not doesnt really matter to me
@@amathine440 Ye tell em
@@amathine440 good take
It's trying something new and has the budget behind it. I appreciate those qualities, but they alone don't make the show good.
@@alexdings1725 Saying a show is bad without context is a bad take.
Why are you all using confusing terminologies, good take and bad take cannot be understood by foreigners. Anyways basically you have a terrible understanding, that's all I'm gonna say here
Early 😳
mushoku tensei kind of ass
Never Cared to watched Mushko tensei.. the MC is too much of degenerate for me care... honestly it would have been better if he was actually a reincarnation and and Not the Same person. A More a innocent version with him gradually remembering his past life as he Ages
An Adult in Child body Perving on others Kids is Very Disgusting.
I would even dare Say Seven deadly Sins is somewhat similar in that regard.. Elizabeth is 16 or 17? And he is Constantly harrass her.
wait until they animate Atelier Tanaka, thats the true measure between Men Of Culture and ignorant swine
you think Rudeus monologues are perverted? you have seen nothing
@@GinHindew110 talking about his actions as well.
To be honest Mushoku tensei is really overrated I don't mean it's not bad it's really good but it's just really overrated
Uh you didnt see anything it just began
@@strahinja9803 Coming from someone who read further, I think he's right.
@@jukebox_heroperson3994 but the question is, how much further? (asking genuinely as someone who’s up to WN 23)
I do think it deserves the popularity it's getting but okay
Nah, give it time, the LN was great.
Isekai Genre would be much better without Mushoku Tensei and it's rip offs.
Breaking bad is better than re zero
Nice argurmemt, unfortunately
Good argument
Had us in every half
I've only watched 4 isekai - re zero , tensura , mushoko tensei and devil is a part timer and i already know there are better isekais than mt
re zero has a much better story , tensura is much more enjoyable and devil is a part timer ..... is not better than mt
Man, your taste is trash, i recommend some western equivalents, for rezero there are Mother Of Learning and The Perfect Run, fictions about time loops with main characters who are not idiotic retards, and understand the gigantic OPness of their time looping abilities, plus enemies that are so overpowered the heroes really need the OPness of time looping to stand a chance
For tensura... a lot are better, Tree Of Aeons does the "big picture power plays" much better, Everybody Loves Large Chests (MC is a mimic) does a great job with the monster MC and the adventure+fighting, Vainqueur The Dragon does a great "lets build a world where everybody gets along" with logical internal consistency, adventure, power ups and waifus
Read them all for free in Royal Road
As for MT and DPT, thats up to taste, i guess
@@GinHindew110 first of all , I don't care what you think of my taste .
I've watched re zero because it's famous
and who did the "idiotic retard " refer to ? I'm guessing it's subaru . if that is true then I have nothing to say to you
and also , thanks for the suggestions
@@GinHindew110 You insult Re:Zero and after that speak of trash " Mother Of Learning " bruh. Get out of here. You are the one have trash taste.
@@user-lh5my4ws8j Re:Zero has a gigantic problem, and its how it pretends Subaru is a helpless victim with no powers, overcoming odds with wits and determination, when the whole premise is about him having one of the most overpowered abilities in existence
Imagine Jojo's if Dio's time stop was treated as him being the underdog, thats how ridiculous it is, time powers are just too overpowered
In MoL and TPR the authors understand how broken time loop is, and the enemies are scaled up accordingly to world-destroying foes, to justify it
Re:Zero is like Goku versus LoTR, while MoL and TPR are proper Goku versus Frieza
@@GinHindew110 Subaru is still helpless victim and targeted because his ability and influence on other things. If Subaru didn't had Return By Death, he wouldn't be even targeted so he wouldn't die and suffer. That's the beauty of it.
re:zero is trash aniway
Re:Zero takes some form of brain capacity to understand what’s going on in the show which you clearly do not have so it’s understandable why you think the show is trash
Like it or not even mushoku author confirmed in his interview that the story you are calling trash is the inspiration behind its final arc and he even confirmed that it was the story that helped him a lot when he was building his own story climax.