Did not expect the video to be that long (at all) But again they're a 12 members group so it makes somehow sense. Anyways it was hard to rank them as stated in the intro, they don't fit my ranking system and half of the members are interchangeable. Note that there's no accuracy, so it does not matter who you rank higher. But the top 3 is accurate (imo).
I’m a dancer myself so here’s my opinion. I want to talk about Olivia specifically. I think you kind of underestimated her in this and that she could’ve been a little higher. She has a lot of strengths as a dancer. First of all she has amazing application of textures and dynamics. She is great at projecting power, but can also use fluidity and her sense of resistance is pretty good. She’s really flexible so that gives her an advantage. Her coordination is pretty good and she has great body control; her torso control is really good and she does unique variations with her torso movements and her torso pops are decent. She can do strong locks and hits with her arms and shoulders and chest. So overall strong upper body. Her Footworks are also great most of the time, she gets all details in her footwork and has strong balance. Her isolations are also decent and she’s capable of doing impactful locks and pops. Her biggest issue is her energy control. She can lack extensions sometimes and other times carry lot of tensions in her body. She also can under extend her lower area but overall I think her strengths overshadow her weaknesses. As for Kim Lip I actually don’t think she’s a better dancer than Olivia. Kim Lip is very clean and has good coordination but she is very unaware of her lower body most of the time. In fast paced or sharp sequences she loses coordination and control and her movements become loose. Her upper body is nicely controlled and she has good torso to arm coordination but her knees are bent due to lack of strength and balance in that area. She is good at popping tho. So their ranking in my opinion 1. Heejin 9.2 2. Yves 8.5 3. Olivia Hye 7.8 4. Kim Lip 7.4 5. Choerry 6.9 6. Chuu and Gowon 6.7 7. Hyunjin 6 8. Yeojin 5.4 9. Jinsoul 5.2 10. Vivi and Hasuel 4.4
When I was ranking scorpion line this is what I ended up with too. The only hard call is Choerry and Kim Lip, because I think they're very evenly matched. Choerry has a slightly better presentation and consistency while Kim Lip seems to me to be slightly more skilled in her execution.
talking about the dancing here, and i completely understand ur analysis + it is completely valid, but i think yves is better from my perspective as a dancer. yes heejins torso control is pretty insane, but yves coordination is a lot better, she also adapts to all styles pretty well. i think yves is a smart dancer as she uses her long limbs to make her movements bigger and more open, so each step is noticeable. she used to have a problem with slightly short cutting movements but it’s pretty much gone now, and i think heejin has issues with stiffness in her arms/shoulders. yves has also improved pretty recently in queendom, her angles and quality of movement are have been getting better. yves also has the better technique and the foundations down, her isolations, placements, consistency and flow are also better + good free styling abilities! - the only thing really holding her back is the amount of tension she uses 😭 she also never under/over uses her energy. for me, they’re pretty close in skill but i think its yves => heejin
For me, I find Heejin's dancing style more visually pleasing + her insanely good facial expressions and overall face control are her biggest advantages over others
this video needs more recognition, it's literally the most accurate ranking and description about loona as performers, and the effort tho, thank you for this!
Finally someone recognizing Chuu as easily Top 5/6 dancer in the group. She's too often put aside because she's the de-facto main vocalist of the group, but she's actually genuinely one of the better dancer in the group. She's surprisingly very well-rounded.
I love this video so much. It was great how you compared dancers near to each other in ranking instead of all against the best dancer/execution of the move, freeze frames, say usually just one point at a time. It all makes it easier to see the difference in the specific point you are talking about. You're just so good at explaining. I wonder if you feel Hyunjin's confidence has increased and translated to her dancing after leaving that abusive company, or how Kim Lip's new muscles have helped her, or if your mind has changed a bit on any of the members nowadays.
you just put my feelings about Yves into words. looking at her dance makes me tense up and i didn't understand why sometimes it looks off. this insight was very helpful!
i totally agree with you about hyunjin. ive never been able to put it into words but shes very stiff and like you said, its like she doesnt move the rest of her body. plus i noticed a long time how she was having so much fun but since they were doing girl crush, it didnt suit her. i thought once they do another cute/fun concept her facials will lighten up but she still doesnt do as much as debut era, mostly just a blank face and sometimes mildly smiles. shake it perf was the most fun ive seen her had on stage since hi high. its possible all the stuff bbc has done to them and the massive hiatuses in between comebacks has made her lose passion for being an idol. even so, a lot of orbits are saying she should be in the dance line just bc shes clean but i never agreed bc she doesnt rly put personality into her face or movements :(
Your videos are always so well-made! About Yves and Heejin, I find it fascinating how they're often compared head to head not only in dancing, but in vocals too. I don't know much about the latter, but I really enjoy listening to their voices, and I find myself enjoying their singing parts the most in Loona's songs. When I first got into Loona, they were the members who caught my attention the most. Also really loved watching their fancams in Queendom, can't wait to see more from them in the future ❤️
I'm a loona fan and a haseul bias and i agree to this list. They are strong as a team but individually they have weaknesses but they are improving, I've seen a lot of their performances and it shows. They are human too they are not perfect, i still love them though.. As a whole group and individually.💚🌙
I think Hyunjin's the type to dance well if she wants to. They were playing Mafia one time and she danced so hard to win. I think that could be more accurate to judge her performance. I kind of feel her though if you have twelve members, you don't get to shine a lot so why put too much effort, you'll just get tired. I know ppl be like that's not an excuse blah blah but being an idol is hard and you don't get paid well most of the time so where is the motivation. So I don't really expect them to do their best all the time.
I’m not a dancer so I’m not gonna pretend that I know technicalities or other dance lingo but what I agree with you on one thing, Olivia hye was the first member I noticed out of Loona. She has such an attractive charismatic aura around her. She has that WOW factor and people love to watch her. Kim lip and Yves maybe better in terms of technique but Olivia Hye hands down beat them in terms of WOW factor and as an idol that I would continue to look out for. Just something about Olivia…
the video clearly says ‘idol performer’ not ‘dancer’. we all know that yves is the better overall dancer but heejin’s facials and stage presence makes her the better idol dancer and perfomer
@@snowflake1762 nah but if you look at other dance rankings like KDDD’s and E.K. Cristobal’s, you can see how heejin manage to surpass yves. I’m not discrediting Yves’s talent but compared to heejin, she tends to look stiff sometimes. she’s powerful but if she applied groove and good facials in her moves, she’d prolly be unstoppable:).
@@Wkw-on3ju heejin definitely has better control in her chest and torso area and is easily a better idol dancer and performer, but yves is much more versatile. if ranking as idol dancers, i understand why heejin is first, but as a dancer (outside of kpop choreography dancing) yves is definitely the stronger dancer
Thank you for your expert opinion about the LOONA members. One can learn a lot and be enlightened when one has the chance to see this level of analysis. I guess you'll agree that as a group they stand out for their synchronicity. Although for me and without being an expert, I can affirm that what matters is the emotions that the artists can make their audience feel. . . and to me, they fascinate me every time I see performing any of them and even more so when they work together. Perhaps the mix of their strengths and weaknesses, voices and visuals, is what draws me to them the most, because if they were all technically perfect they could be a bit boring. Thanks again
I agree with most of this list however I still believe that Yves is the better overall dancer since most of lacking is within her facial expressions. As an idol dancer Heejin definitely takes the top. Not only is she main dancer but center material. However from a dance perspective Yves >= Heejin
I'm into loona recently(2years) and one of the thing that caught my attention was obviously, her performances and choreo's accuaracy. I'm not into the kpop world until now, that I know them. I also don't follow any other kpop group, because I believe that Loona is what I need right now, maybe as a kpop group XD. So, I really liked the way you manage you analysis, I've learn a lot of details now, and how each girl develope her own energy, stamina and smoothness. Is a very interesting video for people that lack of vocabulay of dancers perfomances(me), so I just want to tell you, you did a great work here! I could understand every point you did on them, every detail you show of them performing... is more easy to understand if you add the video with an explination of the part you want to highlight up... so thanks for this work! :D I believe Heejin's performances are stunnig, so I' had wait the entired video, to see what you point on her, and I absolutly agree with you :D
i love this video it was really insightful !! im not a professional dancer so i wont comment on things idk about, but what i can say is 1. i think yeojin and chuu shouldve been given more points for facial expressions. chuu started incorporating more expressions starting why not/star era and yeojin starting from hula hoop era. now the both of them are a lot more versatile and don't stick to just smiling anymore. 2. olivia and haseul sustained some injuries (hamstring and shoulder respectively) in the latter half of qd2 and i noticed that you used queendom videls a lot to rate the two of them. i think there was a bit of unfairness in those parts? but i may be wrong since some of their body control issues weren't related to their injured parts. still a great video though!
1. Chuu definetely deserved a higher score for sure. I still think Yeojin is lacking in concept versatility, but I see your point. 2. I see where you're coming from. The clips that I used on Olivia was both "before" and "on" qnd2. The reason why I mostly used clips from qnd, was because it was their recent dance content. I don't like using clips older than 2 years, cause their technique has most likely improved. But like you said, it is unfair for both of them :( Well in my opinion, body control issues aren't neccessarily related to injuries, but having injuries WILL reduce mobility or the ability to perform tasks properly. Just by looking at their choreos (in queendom) it may have affected esp. Olivia (a little, she still danced full out, so I can't use injuries as an excuse) But I truly loved your input! Keep doing it 😄
I did not expect that Chuu is that high,I thought she is only decent and what is the bonus points for Kim Lip? You didn't tell us Btw congrats again for over 800 subscribers!!!!
Gowon, Chuu and Choerry switched a lot. She is a decent dancer (she got a D+), but her coordination did not look that bad. Kim Lip: dance material. Usually if I forget to include the bonus points, it's either for their improvements or dance materal. Nothing else.
I'm very late to the party but something I wanted to comment about Olivia is that during PTT era she mentioned during a Vlive or something that some days when they go to music show performances she feels heavy. That day she performed PTT with the bun hairstyle and beige outfit she said she woke up that morning and felt heavy. So she's at least partially aware of this aspect of her dancing. I really wonder what the cause of it is. It could be an undiagnosed medical condition (like hypothyroidism or anemia) or she could just be more susceptible to stress and fatigue which an idol schedule probably causes a lot of. Whatever it is I really hope she can overcome it bc you can tell she has a lot of passion and drive to do well as a performer.
you're never too late! It's a good thing she's aware of it. It will then be easier to work on it. Well I'm not a doctor, so I won't diagnose her. She's also my favorite performer in Loona :)
Thank you for giving heejin 2 pts bonus for her effort T-T Actually the POSE performance, she is having a stomack ache at that time so she maybe can't give her 100% effort. You can check her pose fancam in loonathetour for better performance
Do you feel like Hyunjin improved quite an amount during Queendom? I never watched her solo fancams besides the one from Shake It, but after the ones you shared from Pose & Butterfly I feel like there’s a huge difference between the ‘Queendom hyunjin’ and pre-queendom her facial expression wise. I feel like she could be higher in the ranking personally, at least for me, although it doesn’t really matter that much as they’re all relatively close 5-8th. And given that this is an ultimate analysis looking at their entire career, I have to agree with your placements. She has so much hidden potential both dance and vocal wise i wish she could unlock it somehow. Loved watching this and thank you for the analysis! I agree with so much of what you said and it’s nice to see people point things out.
yeah after watching the pose and butterfly fancam I realized how much potential she had and she could in theory rank one place higher. So the potential is there, but it's the way she represents herself.
Talking about Olivia,I found it's kind of funny that she holds a fierce expression in STAR 'KCONTACT'(the one where they wore princess outfits)but yeah she's charismatic
@@psychorious I have two questions to ask,what's diffference between blank face and stagnant face? And also what is body language?Does that mean that using our body to potray/enhance the emotions??
@@momothemomotaro 1. Oh I use blank and stagnant face as synonyms. I don't think there's much of a difference, but in my opinion "stagnant face" is when someone carry the same face (like the resting face) for a long period of time, while blank face only occurs a few/some times during a performance. That's my definition. 2. YES, and people portray differently on stage. Look at the difference between Jinsoul and Olivia. As stated in the video, Jinsoul has more of a passive body language (meaning she does not rely on her movement, but rather her face to get the audiences attention). Olivia (who also uses her face, but let's look away from it for now) has stronger body language (when you watch her on stage, you can feel her energy through her extended and powerful dancing). So stage presence isn't only about facial expression (But it is the main criterion in my evaluation). Body language is just as important, and it is another effective way to portray "emotions", just like you said :)
Potential, as in who I think will improve more? In that case, I would say Olivia. She's lacking proper technique, esp. power control, but I guess that's her preference. If she got a proper training, she would most likely improve (note that she only trained for 1 day). Another potential is Choerry. Her body control is decent, but she seems to be willing to learn (not that I know, but it LOOKS like it). Another one is Heejin if we talk about improvement. She surely has the right mindset, and will most likely develop even more The rest of the members (the non dancers) do not prioritize individual progresses, but only their synchronization. For Kim Lip and Yves: I haven't notice a single change from them. Yves is already a great dancer, but I think she will stick to her clean dancing for a while. Of all the members, I want to see her get out of her comfort zone, and experiment.
I think on Hyunjin's case, she's really just kinda unconfident, she can give but she choose not to because of maybe because of her having sometimes like lack of lines and really just shy
technique wise (as a group), they are between below to average. The dance line is the only one carrying the group, but it's not enough, although they're known for being a "dance group". They are far stronger dance lines (average to over average) such as Itzy, Kep1er, Nmixx, Purple Kiss, Everglow, LE SSERAFIM (not the strongest, but all the members have decent to good technique), and maybe Billie
@@psychorious Tbh Loona>Everglow and Lesserafim. Everglow only has Mia and Onda that stand out in dancing, meanwhile Loona has 5 good/great dancers(Heejin, Yves, Olivia Hye, Kim Lip and Choerry)and Heejin and Yves are better than Mia in my opinion
@@chaeyoungslovie From my understanding, the question was directed to the group as a "whole" rather than the dance line itself (I know I mentioned their dance line at the end, but let's ignore that for a second). Half of the group (around 6 of them) have weak body control. As mentioned earlier the dance line is carrying the choreography, but each of them has some clear weaknesses. So looking at them as a whole, I would probably put them in the "average" category. The thing about Everglow is that none of them really stick out to be a bad dancer. Sihyeon is the only one with some "weak" fundementals, but the rest stand from average to above average. Le sserafim is a new group, but just like Everglow, almost all of them are average - above average (not 100% accurate yet). That's how I see it. Even so, I love watching Loona perform :)
It's me again with a new question.So there's one short uploader that saying Hitomi,Chuu,Choerry and Gowon are on the same par,is that actually true?And if we consider Choerry as Loona's dance line too,then don't Chuu and Gowon should be included as well since they are pretty much interchangable?
And why is Hitomi compared to them? Anyways, in theory, yes Chuu should be included in the dance line. But it depends on the companys decision, and if Chuu "wants" to be a part of the dance line at all. She might not "feel" confident as her vocal is stronger.
@@psychorious if I remember correctly,the op commented one one person saying that she 'didn't include Choerry/Chuu/Gowon' as Loona's dance line.The other commenter said that Choerry and Hyunjin 'should' be in dance line so the op using Hitomi to refer that all of three and Hitomi are basically on same level.
@@momothemomotaro oh okay. It’s not my decision to choose who’s gonna be in the dance line, but I can share my point of view. I can see why they think Choerry should be included. She’s in fact a versatile performer who has a lot to offer. Imo to be a part of a dance line, you should have all the basics down, confidence, be a performer and a team player but at the same time have the ability to perform alone (meaning you know how to stand out without the help of other members or backup dancers). Heejin, Yves, Olivia and Kim Lip possesses almost all of them. For Choerry: I would like to see her dance alone. She would feel pressured, but let it be. Hyunjin: I don’t think she should be included in the dance line yet. She has decent body control, but still lacks confidence. Some might think confidence shouldn’t be a criterion, but it plays such a huuuuuge role. Chuu/Gowon: not sure how they will perform alone, so I wouldn’t include them in the dance line (yet) Not sure of I answered your question
@@psychorious I see.Also talking about dancing,what's your opinion about overdance/underdance? I know those terms are not exist in dance theories but would like to know your mind about the terms. 1.Is actually 'overdance' a term used by fans to differentiate idol's technique either they are good or not?Mostly said it's bad,but I have different perspective about it. 2.I'll say 'overdance' and 'underdance' are used by fans because they are more open towards 'clean dancer' like Heejin and Momo.So when idols like Jihyo have her own style of dancing,the word 'overdance' are spelled because they didn't familiar with their style. 3.What do you think of Jeongyeon with her current body?I'm not wishing her to stay with her current body forever but for some reason I noticed some texture on her dancing. 4.Last but not least,thought of Hitomi? Btw you answered my previous question.I'm glad to have another perspective of other trustable op like you other than kddd
I mostly agree and understand what you’re saying but I feel like because your system doesn’t have synchronization it’s missing a chunk. I specifically want to hone in on Hyunjin with this. I think it’s unfair to say she’s lost anything, especially when we don’t know her irl. More than anything what I’ve noticed as a dancer while watching loona is their modifications. Often they aren’t just doing shortcuts to complicated moves. Rather, they’re shortening their moves so it looks in sync in their formations. Hyunjin actually does this A LOT and I think it does account for how often she “fades out”. I think it actually accounts for a lot of them. They’re all still “on” when they’re not in the center. But they pull back from 110% to like 90% for balance. Now I’m not saying it’s the best solution for their craft as individual dancers. But it does make a lot of sense, especially when you consider that loona has mostly been training themselves without help.
I think olivia should be higher, during the butterfly and pose performance on queendom she was injured (hamstring) so it's understandable that she cannot execute the dance as precisely compared to the other members. It's still a good analysis and ranking 👍
could you do another ranking on a overall dance ranking not performance as in that case I think yves is above heejin in the sense as her stamina technique is unmatched in loona and in butterfly she was the only one who did not break.
Yeojin, Yves and Kim Lip are not above Olivia, Chuu and Jinsoul in performance. Yves’s facial expressions could use some work, Kim Lip is inconsistent, Yeojin is overall a weaker performer. 1. Heejin 2. Olivia Hye 3. Chuu 4. Choerry 5. Jinsoul 6. Kim Lip 7. Yves 8. Gowon 9. Yeojin 10. Hasuel 11. Hyunjin 12. Vivi
@@chaeyoungslovie for me yeojin has improved so much and watching her do hula hoop and pose. she never misses a beat and can literally really do every concept so well but she’s so overlooked. she’s gained so much confidence. yves has been one of the most professional members day one in my opinion and that was solidified in hi high for me. she was known for girl crush but absolutely killed it there. kim lip is just an amazing dancer and singer. i think she was ready for debut since oec and her improvement has been very stagnant but i still think she’s really good. olivia isn’t that good at concept switches because she holds herself back due to insecurities i feel like. chuu is so good at girl crush and cute but her facial expressions sometimes look very forced. i think once she overcomes that she will be very good and we saw that in PTT. and jinsoul i feel like has extremely forced facial expressions. this is most evident during so what era. i feel like during concepts like favorite and hi high she’s so good but when the concept is extremely cool like so what she pushes herself too much and her face just looks forced. again all my opinion but i kinda stand by my ranking.
@@chaeyoungslovie oh and kim lip CARRIED loona during queendom. i know that seems like a hot take but every performance it felt like lip was a necessary component for loona to excel.
i feel like ur biased about hyunjin lol lacks confidence? you stated you know nothing about hyunjin and then go and rank her dancing and go off only what the internet says that she just has a blank face? lmao that argument is tiring
It's true that I know nothing about her life, but as a person who has been performing for some time, I KNOW how to spot a confidence performer and a passive one. To use an example, I did also lack confidence back to my days. It was written all over my face and my body language. She may be assertive outside the stage, but my job is to evaluate their overall delivery. I don't really watch others dance channels (I used to, but not anymore), so I don't recall any of their statement. But IF YOU notice the same evaluation from them and from me, that means we see the same thing and that it is pretty clear she lacks facial. You are allowed to have a different opinion, but you must know that I've been watching her ever since Mixnine, and there is a clear difference. She does not perform the same way she used to. Again you are free to have another point of view. But one thing I know about myself is that I am not b.i.a.s.e.d Thanks for watching the video :)
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Did not expect the video to be that long (at all)
But again they're a 12 members group so it makes somehow sense.
Anyways it was hard to rank them as stated in the intro, they don't fit my ranking system and half of the members are interchangeable. Note that there's no accuracy, so it does not matter who you rank higher. But the top 3 is accurate (imo).
Thank you for granting my request 😭❤️
The top 4 tbh Olivia is not interchangeable as well
I’m a dancer myself so here’s my opinion.
I want to talk about Olivia specifically. I think you kind of underestimated her in this and that she could’ve been a little higher. She has a lot of strengths as a dancer. First of all she has amazing application of textures and dynamics. She is great at projecting power, but can also use fluidity and her sense of resistance is pretty good. She’s really flexible so that gives her an advantage. Her coordination is pretty good and she has great body control; her torso control is really good and she does unique variations with her torso movements and her torso pops are decent. She can do strong locks and hits with her arms and shoulders and chest. So overall strong upper body. Her Footworks are also great most of the time, she gets all details in her footwork and has strong balance. Her isolations are also decent and she’s capable of doing impactful locks and pops. Her biggest issue is her energy control. She can lack extensions sometimes and other times carry lot of tensions in her body. She also can under extend her lower area but overall I think her strengths overshadow her weaknesses. As for Kim Lip I actually don’t think she’s a better dancer than Olivia. Kim Lip is very clean and has good coordination but she is very unaware of her lower body most of the time. In fast paced or sharp sequences she loses coordination and control and her movements become loose. Her upper body is nicely controlled and she has good torso to arm coordination but her knees are bent due to lack of strength and balance in that area. She is good at popping tho.
So their ranking in my opinion
1. Heejin 9.2
2. Yves 8.5
3. Olivia Hye 7.8
4. Kim Lip 7.4
5. Choerry 6.9
6. Chuu and Gowon 6.7
7. Hyunjin 6
8. Yeojin 5.4
9. Jinsoul 5.2
10. Vivi and Hasuel 4.4
Hi If you are a dancer can you please tell me how would you rank bp rv twice nmixx aespa and itzy members in dance please
When I was ranking scorpion line this is what I ended up with too. The only hard call is Choerry and Kim Lip, because I think they're very evenly matched. Choerry has a slightly better presentation and consistency while Kim Lip seems to me to be slightly more skilled in her execution.
talking about the dancing here, and i completely understand ur analysis + it is completely valid, but i think yves is better from my perspective as a dancer. yes heejins torso control is pretty insane, but yves coordination is a lot better, she also adapts to all styles pretty well. i think yves is a smart dancer as she uses her long limbs to make her movements bigger and more open, so each step is noticeable. she used to have a problem with slightly short cutting movements but it’s pretty much gone now, and i think heejin has issues with stiffness in her arms/shoulders. yves has also improved pretty recently in queendom, her angles and quality of movement are have been getting better. yves also has the better technique and the foundations down, her isolations, placements, consistency and flow are also better + good free styling abilities! - the only thing really holding her back is the amount of tension she uses 😭 she also never under/over uses her energy. for me, they’re pretty close in skill but i think its yves => heejin
Heejin> Yves this video is already clear
For me, I find Heejin's dancing style more visually pleasing + her insanely good facial expressions and overall face control are her biggest advantages over others
this video needs more recognition, it's literally the most accurate ranking and description about loona as performers, and the effort tho, thank you for this!
tysm for watching the video😄
hi and i AGREEE with this ranking a lot 🤩 ive seen other good rankings but this one added a lot of new insights!! served
tysm😄
Finally someone recognizing Chuu as easily Top 5/6 dancer in the group. She's too often put aside because she's the de-facto main vocalist of the group, but she's actually genuinely one of the better dancer in the group. She's surprisingly very well-rounded.
People always rank her in the bottom 3 when she’s clearly better than Hyunjin, Jinsoul, Yeojin, Vivi and Hasuel
Timestamp:
0:00 - intro
0:54 - 12th & 11th
04:34 - 10th & 9th
07:39 - 8th place
10:44 - 7th 6th 5th
17:05 - 4th place
21:29 - 3rd
24:07 - 2nd
28:23 - 1st
32:30 - outro
heejin center towards the ending of butterfly performance in queendom... that part will forever be stuck in my mind
I love this video so much. It was great how you compared dancers near to each other in ranking instead of all against the best dancer/execution of the move, freeze frames, say usually just one point at a time. It all makes it easier to see the difference in the specific point you are talking about. You're just so good at explaining.
I wonder if you feel Hyunjin's confidence has increased and translated to her dancing after leaving that abusive company, or how Kim Lip's new muscles have helped her, or if your mind has changed a bit on any of the members nowadays.
you just put my feelings about Yves into words. looking at her dance makes me tense up and i didn't understand why sometimes it looks off. this insight was very helpful!
that's good to hear☺
i totally agree with you about hyunjin. ive never been able to put it into words but shes very stiff and like you said, its like she doesnt move the rest of her body. plus i noticed a long time how she was having so much fun but since they were doing girl crush, it didnt suit her. i thought once they do another cute/fun concept her facials will lighten up but she still doesnt do as much as debut era, mostly just a blank face and sometimes mildly smiles. shake it perf was the most fun ive seen her had on stage since hi high. its possible all the stuff bbc has done to them and the massive hiatuses in between comebacks has made her lose passion for being an idol. even so, a lot of orbits are saying she should be in the dance line just bc shes clean but i never agreed bc she doesnt rly put personality into her face or movements :(
yeah I thought it was only a "concept" issue at first, but it really looked like she lost her sparkle :(
yeah put every blame in bbc now 💀
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Your videos are always so well-made! About Yves and Heejin, I find it fascinating how they're often compared head to head not only in dancing, but in vocals too. I don't know much about the latter, but I really enjoy listening to their voices, and I find myself enjoying their singing parts the most in Loona's songs. When I first got into Loona, they were the members who caught my attention the most. Also really loved watching their fancams in Queendom, can't wait to see more from them in the future ❤️
I'm a loona fan and a haseul bias and i agree to this list. They are strong as a team but individually they have weaknesses but they are improving, I've seen a lot of their performances and it shows. They are human too they are not perfect, i still love them though.. As a whole group and individually.💚🌙
I think Hyunjin's the type to dance well if she wants to. They were playing Mafia one time and she danced so hard to win. I think that could be more accurate to judge her performance. I kind of feel her though if you have twelve members, you don't get to shine a lot so why put too much effort, you'll just get tired. I know ppl be like that's not an excuse blah blah but being an idol is hard and you don't get paid well most of the time so where is the motivation. So I don't really expect them to do their best all the time.
I’m not a dancer so I’m not gonna pretend that I know technicalities or other dance lingo but what I agree with you on one thing, Olivia hye was the first member I noticed out of Loona. She has such an attractive charismatic aura around her. She has that WOW factor and people love to watch her. Kim lip and Yves maybe better in terms of technique but Olivia Hye hands down beat them in terms of WOW factor and as an idol that I would continue to look out for. Just something about Olivia…
I knew it Heejin will be number 1. She surpassed Yves 1 year ago.
the video clearly says ‘idol performer’ not ‘dancer’. we all know that yves is the better overall dancer but heejin’s facials and stage presence makes her the better idol dancer and perfomer
@@snowflake1762 purr
@@snowflake1762 nah but if you look at other dance rankings like KDDD’s and E.K. Cristobal’s, you can see how heejin manage to surpass yves. I’m not discrediting Yves’s talent but compared to heejin, she tends to look stiff sometimes. she’s powerful but if she applied groove and good facials in her moves, she’d prolly be unstoppable:).
@@snowflake1762 Heejin is actually better as an overall dancer since Why Not and is a much better performer than Yves
@@Wkw-on3ju heejin definitely has better control in her chest and torso area and is easily a better idol dancer and performer, but yves is much more versatile. if ranking as idol dancers, i understand why heejin is first, but as a dancer (outside of kpop choreography dancing) yves is definitely the stronger dancer
Thank you for your expert opinion about the LOONA members. One can learn a lot and be enlightened when one has the chance to see this level of analysis.
I guess you'll agree that as a group they stand out for their synchronicity. Although for me and without being an expert, I can affirm that what matters is the emotions that the artists can make their audience feel. . . and to me, they fascinate me every time I see performing any of them and even more so when they work together.
Perhaps the mix of their strengths and weaknesses, voices and visuals, is what draws me to them the most, because if they were all technically perfect they could be a bit boring.
Thanks again
I agree with most of this list however I still believe that Yves is the better overall dancer since most of lacking is within her facial expressions. As an idol dancer Heejin definitely takes the top. Not only is she main dancer but center material. However from a dance perspective Yves >= Heejin
th-cam.com/video/8L9_OEpall0/w-d-xo.html so you don't agree with this video?
I'm into loona recently(2years) and one of the thing that caught my attention was obviously, her performances and choreo's accuaracy. I'm not into the kpop world until now, that I know them. I also don't follow any other kpop group, because I believe that Loona is what I need right now, maybe as a kpop group XD. So, I really liked the way you manage you analysis, I've learn a lot of details now, and how each girl develope her own energy, stamina and smoothness. Is a very interesting video for people that lack of vocabulay of dancers perfomances(me), so I just want to tell you, you did a great work here! I could understand every point you did on them, every detail you show of them performing... is more easy to understand if you add the video with an explination of the part you want to highlight up... so thanks for this work! :D I believe Heejin's performances are stunnig, so I' had wait the entired video, to see what you point on her, and I absolutly agree with you :D
Glad you liked it! :)
i love this video it was really insightful !! im not a professional dancer so i wont comment on things idk about, but what i can say is
1. i think yeojin and chuu shouldve been given more points for facial expressions. chuu started incorporating more expressions starting why not/star era and yeojin starting from hula hoop era. now the both of them are a lot more versatile and don't stick to just smiling anymore.
2. olivia and haseul sustained some injuries (hamstring and shoulder respectively) in the latter half of qd2 and i noticed that you used queendom videls a lot to rate the two of them. i think there was a bit of unfairness in those parts? but i may be wrong since some of their body control issues weren't related to their injured parts.
still a great video though!
1. Chuu definetely deserved a higher score for sure. I still think Yeojin is lacking in concept versatility, but I see your point.
2. I see where you're coming from. The clips that I used on Olivia was both "before" and "on" qnd2.
The reason why I mostly used clips from qnd, was because it was their recent dance content. I don't like using clips older than 2 years, cause their technique has most likely improved. But like you said, it is unfair for both of them :(
Well in my opinion, body control issues aren't neccessarily related to injuries, but having injuries WILL reduce mobility or the ability to perform tasks properly.
Just by looking at their choreos (in queendom) it may have affected esp. Olivia (a little, she still danced full out, so I can't use injuries as an excuse)
But I truly loved your input! Keep doing it 😄
@@psychorious also, isnt heejin’s score 91😅 or am i seeing things-
@@liptag328 yes indeed. I messed up hers and Yves score by 1 point😳
I did not expect that Chuu is that high,I thought she is only decent and what is the bonus points for Kim Lip? You didn't tell us
Btw congrats again for over 800 subscribers!!!!
Gowon, Chuu and Choerry switched a lot. She is a decent dancer (she got a D+), but her coordination did not look that bad.
Kim Lip: dance material. Usually if I forget to include the bonus points, it's either for their improvements or dance materal. Nothing else.
That’s why sometimes I prefer Choerry,Chuu in cute concepts or even Jinsoul because I can see their expressions though their face
I'm very late to the party but something I wanted to comment about Olivia is that during PTT era she mentioned during a Vlive or something that some days when they go to music show performances she feels heavy. That day she performed PTT with the bun hairstyle and beige outfit she said she woke up that morning and felt heavy. So she's at least partially aware of this aspect of her dancing. I really wonder what the cause of it is. It could be an undiagnosed medical condition (like hypothyroidism or anemia) or she could just be more susceptible to stress and fatigue which an idol schedule probably causes a lot of. Whatever it is I really hope she can overcome it bc you can tell she has a lot of passion and drive to do well as a performer.
you're never too late! It's a good thing she's aware of it. It will then be easier to work on it.
Well I'm not a doctor, so I won't diagnose her.
She's also my favorite performer in Loona :)
Thank you for giving heejin 2 pts bonus for her effort T-T Actually the POSE performance, she is having a stomack ache at that time so she maybe can't give her 100% effort. You can check her pose fancam in loonathetour for better performance
Do you feel like Hyunjin improved quite an amount during Queendom? I never watched her solo fancams besides the one from Shake It, but after the ones you shared from Pose & Butterfly I feel like there’s a huge difference between the ‘Queendom hyunjin’ and pre-queendom her facial expression wise. I feel like she could be higher in the ranking personally, at least for me, although it doesn’t really matter that much as they’re all relatively close 5-8th. And given that this is an ultimate analysis looking at their entire career, I have to agree with your placements. She has so much hidden potential both dance and vocal wise i wish she could unlock it somehow. Loved watching this and thank you for the analysis! I agree with so much of what you said and it’s nice to see people point things out.
yeah after watching the pose and butterfly fancam I realized how much potential she had and she could in theory rank one place higher. So the potential is there, but it's the way she represents herself.
It's weird that Olivia hye can't do the first neck isolation part in why not but gets the next neck isolation @19:37
Yeah It's actually not a hard move, but I guess most of them forgot to "stretch" out their necks
@@psychorious she was injured
wait im like surprised im not offended because why is this actually a good analysis
glad you liked it😁
Talking about Olivia,I found it's kind of funny that she holds a fierce expression in STAR 'KCONTACT'(the one where they wore princess outfits)but yeah she's charismatic
yup, I actually analyzed Loona a year ago, and Olivia got an 8 (in stage presence). It's definetely an improvement :D
@@psychorious I have two questions to ask,what's diffference between blank face and stagnant face?
And also what is body language?Does that mean that using our body to potray/enhance the emotions??
@@momothemomotaro 1. Oh I use blank and stagnant face as synonyms. I don't think there's much of a difference, but in my opinion "stagnant face" is when someone carry the same face (like the resting face) for a long period of time, while blank face only occurs a few/some times during a performance. That's my definition.
2. YES, and people portray differently on stage. Look at the difference between Jinsoul and Olivia. As stated in the video, Jinsoul has more of a passive body language (meaning she does not rely on her movement, but rather her face to get the audiences attention).
Olivia (who also uses her face, but let's look away from it for now) has stronger body language (when you watch her on stage, you can feel her energy through her extended and powerful dancing).
So stage presence isn't only about facial expression (But it is the main criterion in my evaluation). Body language is just as important, and it is another effective way to portray "emotions", just like you said :)
This video was certainly illuminating, thank you :) In your opinion, who do you think has a lot of potential in dancing in Loona?
The top 4 on the list + Chuu
Potential, as in who I think will improve more?
In that case, I would say Olivia. She's lacking proper technique, esp. power control, but I guess that's her preference. If she got a proper training, she would most likely improve (note that she only trained for 1 day).
Another potential is Choerry. Her body control is decent, but she seems to be willing to learn (not that I know, but it LOOKS like it).
Another one is Heejin if we talk about improvement. She surely has the right mindset, and will most likely develop even more
The rest of the members (the non dancers) do not prioritize individual progresses, but only their synchronization.
For Kim Lip and Yves: I haven't notice a single change from them. Yves is already a great dancer, but I think she will stick to her clean dancing for a while. Of all the members, I want to see her get out of her comfort zone, and experiment.
i'm surprised to see hunjin lower than gowon. even with the clips you show, she seems to be better
Where would you ranking Heejin as a Kpop dancer in 3th and 4th Gen. (to me She is a 3th gen idol but Loona's timeline are confusing so whatever).
we don't talk enogh about how good of a dancer chuu is and since she improved her stamina, she can keep her highest lvl for a longer time
I think on Hyunjin's case, she's really just kinda unconfident, she can give but she choose not to because of maybe because of her having sometimes like lack of lines and really just shy
How does loona compare to other 4th gen girl groups as far as dance (i.e. are they better than other groups, worse, or average)?
The whole group or just the dance line (Heejin, Yves, Olivia, Kim Lip, Choerry) ?
technique wise (as a group), they are between below to average. The dance line is the only one carrying the group, but it's not enough, although they're known for being a "dance group".
They are far stronger dance lines (average to over average) such as
Itzy, Kep1er, Nmixx, Purple Kiss, Everglow, LE SSERAFIM (not the strongest, but all the members have decent to good technique), and maybe Billie
@@psychorious Tbh Loona>Everglow and Lesserafim. Everglow only has Mia and Onda that stand out in dancing, meanwhile Loona has 5 good/great dancers(Heejin, Yves, Olivia Hye, Kim Lip and Choerry)and Heejin and Yves are better than Mia in my opinion
And Lesserafim doesn’t have a stand out dancer but Kazuha, Chaewon, Sakura and Eunchae make a pretty solid dance line
@@chaeyoungslovie From my understanding, the question was directed to the group as a "whole" rather than the dance line itself (I know I mentioned their dance line at the end, but let's ignore that for a second).
Half of the group (around 6 of them) have weak body control. As mentioned earlier the dance line is carrying the choreography, but each of them has some clear weaknesses. So looking at them as a whole, I would probably put them in the "average" category.
The thing about Everglow is that none of them really stick out to be a bad dancer. Sihyeon is the only one with some "weak" fundementals, but the rest stand from average to above average.
Le sserafim is a new group, but just like Everglow, almost all of them are average - above average (not 100% accurate yet).
That's how I see it. Even so, I love watching Loona perform :)
is there any update for any members 2 years later? or did they remain the same?
It's me again with a new question.So there's one short uploader that saying Hitomi,Chuu,Choerry and Gowon are on the same par,is that actually true?And if we consider Choerry as Loona's dance line too,then don't Chuu and Gowon should be included as well since they are pretty much interchangable?
And why is Hitomi compared to them?
Anyways, in theory, yes Chuu should be included in the dance line. But it depends on the companys decision, and if Chuu "wants" to be a part of the dance line at all. She might not "feel" confident as her vocal is stronger.
@@psychorious if I remember correctly,the op commented one one person saying that she 'didn't include Choerry/Chuu/Gowon' as Loona's dance line.The other commenter said that Choerry and Hyunjin 'should' be in dance line so the op using Hitomi to refer that all of three and Hitomi are basically on same level.
@@momothemomotaro oh okay. It’s not my decision to choose who’s gonna be in the dance line, but I can share my point of view.
I can see why they think Choerry should be included. She’s in fact a versatile performer who has a lot to offer. Imo to be a part of a dance line, you should have all the basics down, confidence, be a performer and a team player but at the same time have the ability to perform alone (meaning you know how to stand out without the help of other members or backup dancers).
Heejin, Yves, Olivia and Kim Lip possesses almost all of them.
For Choerry: I would like to see her dance alone. She would feel pressured, but let it be.
Hyunjin: I don’t think she should be included in the dance line yet. She has decent body control, but still lacks confidence. Some might think confidence shouldn’t be a criterion, but it plays such a huuuuuge role.
Chuu/Gowon: not sure how they will perform alone, so I wouldn’t include them in the dance line (yet)
Not sure of I answered your question
@@psychorious I see.Also talking about dancing,what's your opinion about overdance/underdance?
I know those terms are not exist in dance theories but would like to know your mind about the terms.
1.Is actually 'overdance' a term used by fans to differentiate idol's technique either they are good or not?Mostly said it's bad,but I have different perspective about it.
2.I'll say 'overdance' and 'underdance' are used by fans because they are more open towards 'clean dancer' like Heejin and Momo.So when idols like Jihyo have her own style of dancing,the word 'overdance' are spelled because they didn't familiar with their style.
3.What do you think of Jeongyeon with her current body?I'm not wishing her to stay with her current body forever but for some reason I noticed some texture on her dancing.
4.Last but not least,thought of Hitomi?
Btw you answered my previous question.I'm glad to have another perspective of other trustable op like you other than kddd
@@momothemomotaro oh you’re asking really good questions rn. Give me some time to reflect
I mostly agree and understand what you’re saying but I feel like because your system doesn’t have synchronization it’s missing a chunk. I specifically want to hone in on Hyunjin with this. I think it’s unfair to say she’s lost anything, especially when we don’t know her irl. More than anything what I’ve noticed as a dancer while watching loona is their modifications. Often they aren’t just doing shortcuts to complicated moves. Rather, they’re shortening their moves so it looks in sync in their formations. Hyunjin actually does this A LOT and I think it does account for how often she “fades out”. I think it actually accounts for a lot of them. They’re all still “on” when they’re not in the center. But they pull back from 110% to like 90% for balance. Now I’m not saying it’s the best solution for their craft as individual dancers. But it does make a lot of sense, especially when you consider that loona has mostly been training themselves without help.
I explained in the intro that my system doesn' rely on synchronization. The target is their individual progress, not the group as a whole.
I think olivia should be higher, during the butterfly and pose performance on queendom she was injured (hamstring) so it's understandable that she cannot execute the dance as precisely compared to the other members. It's still a good analysis and ranking 👍
could you do another ranking on a overall dance ranking not performance as in that case I think yves is above heejin in the sense as her stamina technique is unmatched in loona and in butterfly she was the only one who did not break.
My ranking. My ranking is kind of a overall performance ranking.
12. haseul
11. vivi
10. gowon
9. hyunjin
8.jinsoul
7.chuu
6.olivia
5. yeojin
4. kim lip
3. yves
2. choerry
1. heejin
Yeojin, Yves and Kim Lip are not above Olivia, Chuu and Jinsoul in performance. Yves’s facial expressions could use some work, Kim Lip is inconsistent, Yeojin is overall a weaker performer.
1. Heejin
2. Olivia Hye
3. Chuu
4. Choerry
5. Jinsoul
6. Kim Lip
7. Yves
8. Gowon
9. Yeojin
10. Hasuel
11. Hyunjin
12. Vivi
@@chaeyoungslovie for me yeojin has improved so much and watching her do hula hoop and pose. she never misses a beat and can literally really do every concept so well but she’s so overlooked. she’s gained so much confidence. yves has been one of the most professional members day one in my opinion and that was solidified in hi high for me. she was known for girl crush but absolutely killed it there. kim lip is just an amazing dancer and singer. i think she was ready for debut since oec and her improvement has been very stagnant but i still think she’s really good. olivia isn’t that good at concept switches because she holds herself back due to insecurities i feel like. chuu is so good at girl crush and cute but her facial expressions sometimes look very forced. i think once she overcomes that she will be very good and we saw that in PTT. and jinsoul i feel like has extremely forced facial expressions. this is most evident during so what era. i feel like during concepts like favorite and hi high she’s so good but when the concept is extremely cool like so what she pushes herself too much and her face just looks forced. again all my opinion but i kinda stand by my ranking.
@@chaeyoungslovie oh and kim lip CARRIED loona during queendom. i know that seems like a hot take but every performance it felt like lip was a necessary component for loona to excel.
i feel like ur biased about hyunjin lol lacks confidence? you stated you know nothing about hyunjin and then go and rank her dancing and go off only what the internet says that she just has a blank face? lmao that argument is tiring
It's true that I know nothing about her life, but as a person who has been performing for some time, I KNOW how to spot a confidence performer and a passive one. To use an example, I did also lack confidence back to my days. It was written all over my face and my body language.
She may be assertive outside the stage, but my job is to evaluate their overall delivery.
I don't really watch others dance channels (I used to, but not anymore), so I don't recall any of their statement. But IF YOU notice the same evaluation from them and from me, that means we see the same thing and that it is pretty clear she lacks facial.
You are allowed to have a different opinion, but you must know that I've been watching her ever since Mixnine, and there is a clear difference. She does not perform the same way she used to.
Again you are free to have another point of view. But one thing I know about myself is that I am not b.i.a.s.e.d
Thanks for watching the video :)