If It Is Not God, What Else Could It Be?
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"What else would it be?" ..... literally ANYTHING ELSE! The possibilities are endless. How did you rule out rainbow glitter farting, cosmic platypuses named Earl?
Oh man! I was going to say "my farts", but you beat me to it with "rainbow glitter farting". I like yours better! 😀
Now why'd you have to go and drag Earl into this?
@@vivalapita8484 "Hail to thee Oh Earl. You are lord over us all."
- Glitipus Platypus Maximus
No, it's Roland the closet goblin
Hey, Earl's my pet and I'd like him back. He went off on a space walk to build another planet and didn't come back. He's just not good with directions. Apologies. Will pay reasonable P&P costs.
“The existence of god is a rational necessity. If god doesn’t exist, nothing has meaning”
Lmaoooo I’ll take “Begging The Question” for 1000, Alex.
Another silly little presupper. Maybe we should call them tantrum apologists.😂
@@FourDeuce01 I notice none of you have an actual argument. You failed.
"Okay, cool! Nothing has meaning, then! Including continuing this conversation!"
@@JimCastleberry Demonstrate God's existence.
@@JimCastleberryThe point is, we're not making an argument you are. Prove your boogie man In the sky existence. And as I think about it, why should anybody give a F*** 🖕about your boogie man in the sky, because he's useless.
"god exists because he has to"
"Why does he have to"
"Because he has to"
"Why does he have to"
"What else could it be?"
Ah yes, presuppositionalism. Has this argument convinced everyone ever?
The argument for when you've given up on all other arguments
It might convince a kid, and that's usually how it's done.
@@prestokrevlar ...yeah, probably should have been obvious
"You remind me of a man.."
"what man?"
"the man with the power"
"what power?"
"the power of Voodoo"
"Who do"
"No, you do!"
"I do what?"
"You remind me of a man.."
"what man?"
"the man with the power"
"what power?"
"the power of Voodoo"
"Who do"
"No, you do!"
"I do what?"
"You remind me of a man.."
"what man?"
"the man with the power"
"what power?"
"the power of Voodoo"
"Who do"
"No, you do!"
"I do what?"
"You remind me of a man.."
"what man?"
"the man with the power"
"what power?"
"the power of Voodoo"
"Who do"
"No, you do!"
"I do what?"
"You remind me of a man.."
"what man?"
"the man with the power"
"what power?"
"the power of Voodoo"
"Who do"
"No, you do!"
"I do what?"
god has to exist though. If life is involved.
"What else could it be?"
It could be literally anything, or nothing at all, lmao.
“Tide comes in, tide goes out. Can’t explain that.”
😂
Still my favourite argument for god
Therefore Odin!
That line never fails to make me laugh out loud. 😅
It's clearly a combination of traffic and Antarctic ice. When ships go out to sea, the sea level goes up a bit so the tide comes in. When they stop at night, the sea level goes back down and the tide goes out. Add to that the slightly smaller effect of the sun melting the Antarctic ice in the morning, and freezing again at night, and there you have it: tides.
Storms are because Jesus needs his diaper changed.
Ah yes Bill O'Reilly, truly one of the great thinkers of the 21st century 😂
Felt like the equivalent of realizing your opponent has you in check so you just stall and refuse to take your turn so the game can't continue.
I was raised in religion, that fallacy was used more than once with my questions.
This show has been great for teaching me about logical fallacies.
I have meaning in my life. Absolutely no supernatural entity required or desired.
Really? You make believe your life has some imaginary meaning despite the objective fact that your life is meaningless if no God exists? That's just self-delusion.
No explanation of that meaning required or desired either
@@JimCastleberry
The irony of this comment is hilarious. You, quite literally, are making up an imaginary meaning to your life, because you don’t like the fact that you won’t live forever in some form. The earth will eventually be incinerated. The ONLY meaning we can take from our lives is in the here and now. Your “meaning” to life is to worship a being. You are nothing except a tool to boost the ego of a deity. That’s meaning?
@JimCastleberry how is it objective and how is it fact?
@@JimCastleberryyou've yet to prove life has an objective meaning which makes your drivel irrelevant
Posters should be reminded of the following:
1) Lack of knowledge isn't evidence that your beliefs are true
2) If your definition of design is based on comparison between known design and known not design then logically everything can't all be designed. As the comparison would be logically impossible.
3) Declarations aren't facts
Luke calling again to whine about the definition of atheism. No matter how many times it’s been explained to him, he keeps trying to argue against the definition of atheism. He does that because he can’t prove his imaginary god exists. Young children often do that when they get frustrated.🤤
Hi Four Deuce, I do think you are on the right track, among the random catalogue of heritable characteristics some of which clearly confer no real benefit but persist just because they are not totally life threatening. One of these might well be the propensity we have for indulging in cognitive delusion, if this has any biological function it could be that we are equipped with considerably greater mental talents than we actually need, the environment in which we live is not actually hostile. Most of us can life quite well and happily without ever having to apply any real rational thinking to anything!. The other biological mechanisms of desire and appetite are entirely adequate.
This leaves us in a situation where our over-supply of imagination and ability led us into rabbit holes of cognitive delusion that we can run down and try to explore, the fact that there is nowhere to go, no end no purpose or objective is totally ignored. The only evidence that is accepted is supporting evidence anything else is rejected as hostile or offensive.
One of the intriguing underlying features of such delusion is that the holder is unable to separate fantasy from reality, this in some part due to the assumption of identity which is a product of self-consciousness, we cannot tell the difference between what is in our heads and what is actually out there in the 'real' world, we do not even know for sure that there is one out there!.
This propensity for imaginative delusion then comes with the territory and for children just because it is so quick and easy compared to rational consideration it is the dominant characteristic. Then as time passes and it becomes increasingly clear that the world and your family does not always comply with your demands you have to choose, option one is they bare wrong and you are right and they must learn to comply with your desires because the=y are true and honourable, or you must choose to cut your suit according to the cloth you are given and learn to accept the need to adapt your desires to match 'reality'.
In my humble opinion far too many people take option one and try to live a life of prescription, applying some of that surplus energy to what really amounts to pushing water uphill!.
A life of purpose for sure but a futile purpose all the same!.
Cheers, Richard.
What is it about a god that gives something "meaning"?
What meaning does something have when a god or gods exist that it doesn't have when no gods exist?
Theists assert that being created by their god gives us meaning on a cosmic scale, and that the only reason to care about anyone at all would be if the entire universe exists to have us in it.
And then they call atheists arrogant and narcissistic without a shred of irony.
They fear to be meaningfull by themselfs its almost like slaves asking "what do i do without master".
Well if god doesn't exist they'd have to put some effort into finding a meaning for themselves
People were calling in with this guy's same non-argument since I started watching in like 2011. It's just a bad meme that never dies. It's not enough to just BE. The universe must be made with us in mind! 😂
Very good questions, it’s something that was in the back of my mind, but haven’t thought too much about. I suspect people equate the idea of infinite existence with meaning.
8:20 Oh he *does* understand it, he just can't admit it because it nukes his position. When arguments fail, play dumb.
Another tactic religious apologists love is lying about atheism when they realize they still can’t prove any god exists.🙈
When you eliminate absolutely no alternatives, the thing you presuppose is the only possible explanation.
What are ""the Alternatives"" that you did NOT ""Absolutely Eliminate"" @Oxus21 ? Since you did NOT ""Absolutely Eliminate"" no Alternatives, you negate your ""Only"" possible explanation @Oxus21 .
"""When you eliminate absolutely no alternatives, the thing you presuppose is the only possible explanation."""
@@tpseeker3367 Read what they actually wrote, not what you think they wrote.
@@tpseeker3367 Geez man, calm down with the quotation marks lol
@@TrejoDuneSea Then you explain.
@@robguyatt9602 "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"
Does that help?
Thor makes the lightning… why? Because what else could it be?
Yes, and because Thor makes it then it has meaning and purpose. Therefore, Thor exists. 😅
Zues
@@nope5531that's Greek mythology. Thor is Norse. But I like your effort kid. Keep it up 👍
This guy showed up to a rap battle with one singular line, then sat back with his arms crossed doing nothing and expecting to win.
Pro Tip:
Incredulity is 'not' a super power.
.
Nor is credulity 🤨
Wow.. They get dumber and dumber.. Why must there be a greater meaning to anything.. Your life so void of meaning that you need a magical friend with a special plan just for you ?
Yes, maybe they need that to 'feel more special' then others.
And we're the nihilists😂😂
Great to see Jim on again. Him and Secular Rarity are amongst my favorite hosts......
Perfect rebuttal off the bat, Jim. What (or where) people find meaning in life completely subjective.
"what else could it be?" Uh, like approximately a kajillion other things?
It's insane how tiny the little box they live in is. It's no wonder they only have an imaginary friend to share it with. If he's gone then yeah it probably does seem meaningless.
My lack of imagination is evidence for god! 😂 classic christian reasoning.
16 minutes of a PRESUP FAILING is SO FUNNY.
LOLZ
We give ourselves purpose, and that purpose can be changed by us at any time.
An assigned purpose or meaning by someone else would be horrible.
The wind. It has to be a god. What else could it be? 2000 years ago.
The Great Mother is a bit gassy ....
Lightning. It must be Zeus/Thor/Set/Ba'al throwing thunderbolts. What else could it be?
Love when Jim is on!!
My response to arguments like this are simply: “Just as easily as you can claim God and say ‘What else could it be?’ I could say ‘Heaven is made of cocaine and The Incredible Hulk runs it (or something equally absurd), because what else could it be’ and by your logic, it would be just as true of a statement. In the same way that my statement does nothing to justify my worldview of cocaine heaven, it does nothing to justify yours.”
Your idiotic response is insufficient to the evidence. Hulk and cocaine are contingent things, not ontologically sufficient as Prime causal reality.
@@JimCastleberry😆😅😂🤣
@@JimCastleberry Bingo, your idiotic claim is not ontologically sufficient as Prime causal reality.
Congratualtions neppy, for debunking your magical fairy.
@@JimCastleberry The claim that a god must exist because it's non-contingent is completely circular.
@@JimCastleberryand yet you pathetic cultist you have given zero proof as to why you are right and he is wrong, i bet you suck off darth dawkins dont you
Luke just phoning in with the same stuff he phoned in with years ago, just with different terms.
It's really sad to witness someone being so indoctrinated into something that they have lost all ability to think for themselves. The caller has been brainwashed to the point where they can't even extend their thinking beyond "God did it"
Yeah it's sad to hear someone say their life has no meaning unless some undetectable God thing says so
Hi Dazzag, I agree it is rather sad, but it does not really matter, it seems no matter how well you do understand nature and the way it works you get no more control of anything, none of what spins around in our brains and between us actually has any direct effect on anything real!.
At the same time I do think that much of the distress and frustration that people endure does arise from that internal debate from the contrast between desire and expectation and actual outcome, if you bare unable to edit and amend your script because it has no rational foundation to re-build from then all you have is your beliefs and emotional investment in them. From there it is but a small step to imagine that your difficulties are the consequence of malign agency and then you invent good and bad and enemies, since the ensuing battles are by definition unreal they are un-winnable but that does not stop people from endlessly fighting each other.
Cheers, Richard.
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Good video. SR was very clear in his arguments.
Sad the guy would have no meaning in life if there is no god 🤷🏼♂️ love family friends etc aren’t meaningful in and of itself? Life is precious, homeslice. This guy needs to stay religious and keep believing I guess. For me, after leaving religion, my life took a much grander meaning
Just be glad he thinks his imaginary friend is important. If he ever comes to reality, you think he's going to value human life or the commandment against unlifing someone? These are dangerous people, and they have guns (same model as Jesus had).
3 words theists just can't bring themselves to say.
I don't know.
They think that merely having an answer is better than not having an answer regardless of whether their answer makes sense or is correct.
Thats the crux of this.
@@JESUS--NEVER--tAPPED
Who's he?
As an agnostic theist myself I have no problems saying "I don't know"
It's the ignorant theist who claims they do know but their "evidence" turns out to be claims
@@JESUS--NEVER--tAPPED There's a difference between knowing something and being deluded into thinking you know it
@@JESUS--NEVER--tAPPED "Consciousness, intelligence, morality, personality, & emotion, ALL originate in the MIND of a PERSON!"
WOW! Finally! You are correct about a thing. That might be the 1st correct statement you've ever made. And it shows that the g0d, whatever the g0d is, is not necessary here.
well, you were semi-correct. My dog is not a person, but capable of emotions. Anyway, at least we agree that the g0d is not needed.
You two are absolutely fantastic!
Secular Rarity is such a great communicator with his ideas and points. Unfortunately some folks seem to be able to grasp those ideas because they're sure they have it all figured out.
Wow, that was quick. Bye, Dimwatty!
Wow... it was quick...
What a pathetic loser he is...
For those of you who blindly worship Michale Behe despite him making a fool of himself in the Dover case, here's something from the Rational wiki.
Behe shoots himself in the foot when he describes the predictions of ID. If the prediction of ID is that "in the absence of intelligent input, no such systems would develop", then an appropriate test would be to attempt to find a complex biological system that developed without intelligent input. But Behe claims all life had intelligent input and sees in it everything from flagellums to cats. So, where on Earth (or elsewhere) would one start to look? Has he even bothered trying to look for one? Given the size of our universe, Behe would have to do a lot of searching before he could confidently say his prediction had been confirmed. He would have to scour every atmosphere-bearing rock in the entire universe and probably double-check before he could say that no system has developed without intelligent input.
It's like claiming everything everywhere is designed when the definition of design is based on an observable difference between design and not design.
Imagine not wanting to know you're wrong so you just continue to deny the words you said.
The caller is dancing around faith he understands thats a lost argument.
Nah, he doesn't understand what a fallacy is or what personal incredulity.
I think the example of the butler must have done it works pretty well to illustrate this fallacy, forcing them into special pleasing.
Here's the possible dialogue for the "butler did it".
Theist: Either the butler did it or the maid did it, since there were only two people in the room at the time of the death. And since the maid claimed that she had her back turned, she could NOT have done it. That means it's the BUTLER!
Everyone: How do you know that the maid's claim is true?
Theist: I have faith.
Everyone: But there could have been a different murderer, such as someone sneaking in...
Theist: Nuh-uh, there's ABSOLUTELY no other suspects.
Everyone: We don't even know how the victim died, what if it was a heart attack?
Theist: Nuh-uh, there's ABSOLUTELY no other suspects.
Everyone: There's literally a security camera footage of the maid slipping poison in the victim's tea.
Theist: Nuh-uh, the security camera footage is not evidence of the maid doing it because I have to presuppose that my original conclusion is true.
Everyone: But... but... nevermind, we give up.🤦♂🤦♂
If It is not God, it must be the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his son the Flying Teapot 😅
Started with quite an interesting statement, but hate when the conversation sticks in a loop because they can't follow logical argumenting talk...
In the fray, Luke makes his stand,
With a claim both bold and grand.
"God must exist," he'd decree,
With unwavering certainty,
In reasoning built on shifting sand.
"What else could it be?" he'd ask,
In his quest to complete the task.
For him, God's existence,
Is a rational insistence,
A belief he clings to, a steadfast mask.
But in the realm of logical discourse,
Luke's argument begins to force
An error profound,
In reasoning unsound,
An ignorance fallacy's coarse.
Is that hiku...? 😂
@@dj_menyo839
Five lines, not three here,
Syllables dance in a different beat,
Limerick's playful tune.
@@Captain-Cosmo I know it wasn't. Was just making a joke. 😂
“Meaning” is a subjective evaluation, reliant on a subject. Every person is a subject, thus able to attribute meaning. To say that without a god there is no meaning is incoherent.
Meaning is subjective, yes. Usually what is meant is that there's no objective meaning outside of your brain, or a meaning to the totality of reality. Which is true - there's no objective meaning nor a meaning for reality.
@@someonesomeone25 Even if there were some ultimate meaning, and you could demonstrate that to be the case (how?), it still wouldn't imply the existence of a god.
@wizardsuth Depending on the meaning it might make God a bit more likely, as it might well imply design. But yeah. Usually it goes the other way around, though, starting from God to get to meaning.
definition of not getting it
I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist. ... It is always misleading to use anthropomorphical concepts in dealing with things outside the human sphere-childish analogies. We have to admire in humility the beautiful harmony of the structure of this world-as far as we can grasp it, and that is all.
Albert Einstein in his letter to Guy Rayner Jr. 1945
Well statement by someone I truly admire👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829yeah, the Bible addresses this, they worship the creation, not the creator. By the way, Einstein used to write to Lennin telling him what a great job he was doing.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk 1) Einstein was an atheist as per the quote. There's no evidence he worshipped anything.
2) That is a debunked story. It's not TRUE. There is no evidence Einstein ever wrote Lenin.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk 1) Einstein was an atheist, as per the quote. There is no evidence he worshipped anything, and definitely not "the creation".
2) That's a not true. There is no evidence that Einstein ever wrote, or had any contact at all, with Lenin.
So that big loud noise in the sky is an angry god, right? What else could it be?
42 days. 42 straight days of failed god claims.
Will it go to 43 days of nobody being able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings?
Yes.
More like 5500 years, 42 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes....
"What else can it be?"
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk Wasn't that the plan, though? To show up and be killed? Y'all need to get your story straight.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk Clearly he wasn't all that convincing, then! :)
As George would say:
Nespresso...what else?
Luke is new to logic, he could not understand it no matter how hard it is explained to him.
There's a thread he started about 7 hours ago. In it, he demonstrates that he is new to logic and can't understand it no matter how hard it is explained to him.
Thousands of invisible gods proposed by humans, and every believer finds themselves in the unique position of KNOWING that THEIRS is the "real" god.
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists,
not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
Albert Einstein
Not exactly Judeo-Christian dogma, is it? For more information do a little research
yourselves on the religious beliefs of Spinoza and of Einstein.
Best wishes to all 🙂
Thanks for providing the entire quote. These trolls are dishonestly butchering it to push their narrative.
It's a good quote 👍
Ah, the argument from ignorance fallacy.
Ah, the You're wrong but I have no idea what's right so I don't have to explain anything argument from ignorance fallacy
@@theepsteindiaries
Yeah. If someone isn’t making a claim, then they have nothing to explain. You’re the ones that are claiming to know that a magical being exists and is the creator of everything. You have no evidence to support this claim.
@@roems6396Good. So speaking for myself as I'm sure individuality is a concept foreign to you...My only claim is to my faith which you have no ground to say is wrong
@@theepsteindiaries This is not a fallacy. I can dismiss an assertion as not true (or even just not confirmed to be true) even if I don't have an alternate answer, just as long as there could be one.
@@theepsteindiariesthat's a cute strawman
What else could it be? A universe farting unicorn or interdimentional mice scientists.
Both have as much evidence as any god thingy
Where I might have gone with this to illustrate the fallacy of personal incredulity is:
A: "We have to agree that rain comes from the tears of invisible spirits that weep over us. I came to this conclusion because what else can it be?"
B: "What about evaporation, condensation and the the water cycle?"
A: "Nope! It's 10,000 years ago and we don't know about water cycles. So it's spirits because what else can it be?"
Oh, it's "Atheists are moral nihilists" Luke. Somehow he managed to be worst than the last call of his I remember. I'm impressed, honestly.
I think moral nihilism follows from materialism, and many atheists are materialists, so many atheists are nihilists. I am.
@@someonesomeone25atheism is solely the lack of believe in gods. Everything else is up to the individual atheist.
@@KasperKatje Agreed. But most atheists tend to be materialists, and materialism generally leads to nihilism.
@@someonesomeone25
By nihilism what do you mean exactly?
@nealjroberts4050 In this context, I mean primarily moral nihilism. Materialism would usually lead to the conclusions that freewill (and thus moral accountability) doesn't exist, and that objective morality doesn't exist (only subjective preferences and emotions).
If not God? What then? How about believing in yourself and that you and you alone have power over yourself. No one but yourself can control your thoughts or actions, not even a God.
Do you totally trust yourself?
@@ThroneofDavid8Would you totally trust a god that will kill innocent children for crimes they didn't commit when it's all powerfulness allows it to resolve all issues without unnecessary death of innocent children?
Why/why not?
@drsatan3231 You can't accurately represent God. You're calling yourself, Dr Satan.
@@ThroneofDavid8I trust myself more than I trust people like you who claim genocide is a good thing.
@@ThroneofDavid8 nice deflection
I see you are too cowardly to answer and nor can you refute that's what your imaginary god allegedly did
It has come to my attention that some people may perceive Luke as a disruptive presence, however, this is not an accurate characterization. While his contributions may not be particularly productive or efficient, it is evident that he is not intentionally attempting to cause disruption. He is not a troll, this is his top floor when it comes to debating. Over the course of a decade of participating in the show, Luke has consistently demonstrated a limited capacity for constructing coherent arguments. It appears that his primary motivation for participating is to express his grievances regarding atheism. When presented with factual information from a reputable source, he simply asserts his belief in the information and challenges others to disprove him. It is unclear why he has not yet comprehended that the hosts require more substantial engagement than this.
Quantity of words = quality of argument
Anybody who calls the show to whine about the definition of atheism even after having been corrected several times is a pathetic troll.
I don’t know what else it could be, so I’m going to say it’s god. As no God has ever been demonstrated to exist, why isn’t it more feasible, just to say I don’t know. Everything we know about the natural world and the universe so far, has not needed a God. The laws of physics and biology, seem to be doing a pretty good job without a God. Why add the complexity of a magical, mystical, and let’s face it, completely undetectable God. 😂
Absolutely amazing, love that you're doing stand up!🎉
Standing up to the theist BS 👍
I think "nothing else has come along to say otherwise" is giving him too much credit. I think he literally thinks "god did it" is its own mic drop.
OK, so everything is meaningless, so what? Just like morality, meaning is subjective.
Thanks SR!
As for my own answer to "what else could it be?", why does there need to be anything there at all? Why do we need an external force giving "meaning" to everything? Why do things need to mean anything? What does meaning even mean? Things exist and they do other things and why isn't that enough?
Even if I accept his question as is, which you two don't because you're better at this than I am, it still doesn't make any sense to me.
Because if we're not so star-spangled special that the entire universe exists just to have us in it, then what's the point of even existing?
Why are there Menstrual Cycles @@codyhelms2556 ???
@@tpseeker3367 I was hoping the hyperbole would make it obvious that I was being facetious. Though that might say more about theists than it does me.
I don't know, man. Evolution be wild sometimes.
For anybody with a working brain, the answer to the stupid question “What else could it be?” is “I don’t know.”
That answer scares young children like Luke, so they throw a tantrum and demand an answer, even if it’s bullshit.
Because it feels better for them if their special friend is behind it all.
We are at 43 days in a row now of “theist” failing to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings.
43 straight days of hollow assertions that amount to nothing.
43 days of them being frustrated by these failures.
Will it continue?
Most likely.
the Atheist Experience has been on for well over a decade....
same result.
The caller sounds like he has been slighted, and wants to hit out to assuage his wounding. He is aggressive and that leads me to think of him in this way.
Excellently Handled SR, well done. The guy knew he was cornered so kept asking what Flubbity was 😂😂😂
Who's on first, what's on second & I don't know is on third.....What else could it be?.....on second.
Theists are so upset with atheists having a nuanced definition of atheism that they want to make sure that their god will do something about it.
He can't to anything about the definition. And the only reason for that is his non-existence.
What is it with apolgists and their need of an imaginary friend for meaning?
apologists don't need that "imaginary friend for meaning". Their fans do. Apologists only need some income.
You destroyed him with the fallacy of incredulity. Lol after that he was toast
Prove things must be meaningful. Prove a god exists & gives meaning. Prove meaning can't come solely from a human. Prove meaningful isn't solely a human construct.
I really like Secular Rarity. He has an amazing way of communicating ideas. Does he have a TH-cam channel or is he just on The Atheist Experience?
He certainly talks a lot.
@@jshaers96 talk show hosts tend to do that
You brainless simpleton 🤣
MY Invisible Sky Daddy is the ONLY obvious answer.
NOT "their" Invisible Sky Daddy.
ONLY My chosen and preferred one.
LOLZ
The density between this man's ears is astounding
Looks like there will be a lot of deleted threads when @1.21gigowatts deletes his threads.
If you have anything interesting you want to save, please make a separate post. This is fun when he makes especially dumb comment.
He-s getting dull again. He always does when he resorts to outright spamming.
Well he started his nonsense about fossils and he's trying hard to ignore this:
His words: (about the fossil record) "Is not a scientific method"
My response:
"Actually it is...
See, they don't just look at a fossil and go "Gee... looks like a,... "
Specially trained, educated and usually employed researchers locate, examine, and in many cases exhume the fossils after making detailed studies of the location, depth, rock structure, surrounding environment and so on...
They perform detailed investigations and forensic studies on the fossils, adjacent fossils (if any), rock and soil studies, climate studies if information is available in the surrounding fossil or rock structure...
Chemical analysis, spectral, and detailed measurements, X-ray and other photographic imaging...
All of those test and more and peer reviewed, confirmed or proven incorrect and so on...
Further many of those tests are carried out by even more researchers independently... "
@@t800fantasm2 How does that even make sense that the fossil record is not a scientific method?
And these guys are not at all embarrassed to just say nonsense as if they actually knew the science?
I think guys like Gigolo DO think fossils are just pulled out of the earth willy-nilly, and scientists just make up what it evolved into.
I never did get an answer for their definition of macro evolution 😂
First, define what a "god" is to you? Then, which god? And then, why?
Well, to be fair, he DID define his God. In fact, he defined it into existence by claiming that it's the necessary component of all reason.
@@queuecee Using such logic, I define unicorns as horses with horns 🦄.
@@LoveAllAnimals101Of course. That's just logic! 😉
@@LoveAllAnimals101 I've spoken with Holy Unicorn and She told me to let you know that you are blaspheming and at risk of suffering the *Dread Punishment of the Eternal Fundamental Impalement!* Beware!
May Holy Unicorn bless you! NEIGHMEN!
@@queuecee and She said that you know better! Shame on you!
I can play this game too. Everything is created by invisible fairies. How do I know? What else can it be?
"What else could it be?"
This position is both an "argument from incredulity" and an "argument from ignorance" fallacy, and completely invalid.
30 seconds in and already failing.
it sickens me to think there are millions of idiots out there who think the same thing as luke
my life has a shitload of meaning and absoluteley 0% of it is because of some manmade tyrant
entity
Luke calls all the time, with the same argument.
Why does anything have to mean anything? This ultimately goes back to the initial fallacy of the creator-god. Life looks designed. Ok, there must be a designer. Ok, that designer is god.
Life has form and function. There is no need to assume design, because Darwin and Wallace gave us the natural algorithm [natural selection] that explains how form and function changes over generations due to variations interacting with the environment.
The other problem with the creator-god is the causality violation. This can have several variations, like what "caused" god. Or the more basic one. If you are going to invoke god as a 'cause" then the god has to be demonstrated as existing FIRST.
Certainly, cognitive animals can have intent and purpose-but this is internally generated. People caused chairs is not a causality violation because we know people exist, and can make chairs.
Of course there is other rubbish in here too, like category errors. A watch and a chair is not in the same category as a living thing.
The extremely well demonstrated mechanism of natural selection, along with other evolutionary mechanisms, provide explanatory and predictive power to what we observe in the forms and functions of life.
Natural selection makes their god a 'fifth wheel". So they either deny NS outright, or don't accept its formative powers as sufficient. Same for natural abiogenesis. We don't know the fine details yet, but an entirely natural process is more than just likely. Life could have arose out of multiple pathways.
And the origin of the universe? pretty much the same sort of thing. Natural processes and interactions.
The other problem with the creator-god thing is that it is "top-down". If you can't demonstrate the thing at the top [god], you are done. Natural processes that we can identify are "bottom-up". Complexity become a natural, and emergent thing. More complexity, so more forms and functions.
This guy sounds familiar, is he a regular caller?
He's been calling for years with one half-baked idea or another.
The defeater for "what else could it be?" is obviously to provide another option. So "Zeus" qualifies as a defeater. Much cleaner and more concise than 12 minutes of explanation for why "What else could it be?" is inadequate.
Secular and Jim are wisdom personified
Manually fulfilled prophesies.
@369spartan put me in ignore, he cannot stand my arguments against his pathetic trolling here. 😂😂😂
@@369spartan I didn't see any of your crap anywhere in here. Maybe YT is hiding your nonsense because even AI is tired of it.
@@Seticzech Sort your comments by new. Since Sparty can only spam, TH-cam will generally hide his comments when you sort by Top. And honestly, it's just the same canned responses.
@@369spartan Yes, you're just pathetic dum*b troll scared to death from pronouns. 😀
@@369spartan Your idi* ocy is undeniable.
@@Seticzech Spartan is like most people with gender issues, projecting fear and confusion over not being able to tell if (s)he has a clit or c*ck and the size isn't helping the decision...
I haven't even listened to this and I already know the answer is literally ANYTHING else. Lol
Really wish they continued the call, i get that they were getting aggravated but I think it couldve been more fruitful if it went a bit longer
It seems that the Gigolowatt has deleted his threads. Still don't get the point, unless he's embarrassed at making a fool of himself, in which case, there are a LOT of theists who seem to lack self-awareness.
' Still don't get the point, unless he's embarrassed at making a fool of himself, "
I've seriously wondered if he isn't some teenage troll using his mommy's computer and thinks he has to delete everything to hide it...
The other options are he stupidly thinks if he deletes the thread then AXP doesn't get monetised for the posts...
Or he's a complete nutter, poor social skills and just thinks he's being clever...
He's like run away Ronnie. He posts in an attempt to wind people up.
Ive heard this a lot and its the worst justification for anything, literally no explanation could be more useless
My god claims, "god doesn't exist." Therefore it must be true.
Yeah i think he got hung up on your example and felt your are putting words in his mouth in regard to his response to your claim. He was stuck there and not following the concept
@369spartan is babbling his BS again. His life must be so pathetic.
Intelligent people understand basic physics equations.
Sparty doesn't.
@@369spartan
Brocciu Corse?
Intelligent people understand how to reply to responses intelligently.
@@queuecee Does that imbe* cile babbling something here? I can't see him. ROFL he really is, it looks like he cannot stand my arguments against his pathetic trolling here. 😀
HEY 36.9 IQ mor* on, still babbling? 😀
@@Seticzech You'll need to sort the comments by new. When sorted by top, it'll hide comments, and within the comments, a lot of replies will also be hidden.
It seems that TH-cam has an algorithm trying to increase the civility of the discussions.
But you aren't missing anything from Sparty. He just spams the same thing over and over cause he's so afraid to admit how wrong he is. He thinks he's smarter than Tesla, his hero.
Shockingly, the billionth and one apologist (Christian, of course) lies about what he said, earlier. I wouldnt ask a Christian for the time of the day. Lying isnt a sin, under their God's morality, or maybe they can just ask for forgiveness as soon as he hung up. Or maybe Jesus told him to lie.
Apparently Paul wrote in one of his letters lying for Jesus was OK
The caller's voice (Luke) is very similar to Darth Dwakins!!
Is he or maybe one of his acolytes?
When I listen to things like this, I just can't really even imagine what it's like to be a "Luke." What must it be like to be so sure of your reasoning while being completely oblivious to the reality that it's just fallacies on top of more fallacies?
"We exist even though we weren't created."God was created, but He still doesn't exist."
---- A-theists
Does your "god" exist?
I like this one.
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 He's existing now.
Do you always make up lies about atheist because you are dishonest or because you need mental help..?
@FloridaBJJKickboxing He does, but like little babies, they're totally unaware of it. God's patience is so good.
Cognitive dissidence is strong with this one