A prisoner in one of the concentration camps during World War Two carved the following words in one of the walls “If there is a god, he will have to beg for my forgiveness”
I know two things when I listen to Jacob talk. 1. He doesn't know what he's talking about. 2. He doesn't want anyone else to know what he's talking about either.
I know three things about the atheist hosts of atheist experience. 1. They have a disbelief in God which means even if God was proven by the scientific method they still wouldn't accept God 2. While they don't have the willingness or ability to accept God they don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God . 3. None of them can supply a rational definition for the word female.
@@wickedchef PROOF OF CREATION/INTELLIGENT DESIGN/FLAT EARTH! The supposed globe has a radius of 4000 miles. Therefore the curvature should drop at a rate of 8 inches per mile squared. Yet we see ships, shorelines, skylines and mountain ranges from impossible distances. The Elevation, Distance, and 8 inches per mile squared, are all factored in. We only need 3-5 miles to prove there's no curvature. 8×3 miles squared ÷12=6ft of curvature drop. If you stand on a shoreline and watch a ship disappear "over the horizon" with your naked eye, then look through a high powered zoom lense or telescope, you can pull The ship back into view, top to bottom, hull and all. Why? Because the horizon isn't curvature. It's perspective. Limit of one's vision with the naked eye from sea level. If you stand in the centre of 100+ square miles of flat ground, you will see a horizon about 2-3 miles away in every direction 360 degrees around you. Why? Because the horizon isn't curvature. It's perspective. Limit of one's vision with the naked eye from ground level. I've seen the "Ocean of Heaven" seemingly suspended in the sky above with my own two eyes. Consistent with Ancient Hebrew Cosmology. It's a closed system. "Outer Space" is water. There were thousands of "U.f.o's" in or above the Ocean outside the Firmament. Want proof of the firmament? No problem! TH-cam - Sprites .... Slow the video down and watch in slow motion. You'll see the Lightening strike and ricochet off of the firmament above creating Sprites. Wernher Von Braun has PSALMS 19:1 engraved on his Gravestone. Who's Wernher Von Braun!? Aerospace Engineer of Nasa. Astronots pretend to go to space. Green screen. Cgi props and globe. Backflips on harnesses. Space walks are done in underwater studios. Deep diving suits. Etc I've also seen the flower of life all over my walls, ceiling and floor in my apartment. Why would I see the flower of life all over a man made construct? Because we are the Sims! Physicists say they found computer code embedded in the equations we use to describe the cosmos. Suggesting we more than likely live in a computer simulation. Atoms behave differently when being observed (Double Slit Experiment) Atoms are 99.99 % empty space. Therefore physical matter doesn't actually exist on a subatomic level. There are no Coincidences. Only Synchronization. Algorithms. My theory/hypothesis based on everything above... ? We live on a a stationary plane with a firmament above within a virtual reality. Atoms are pixels projecting 3D images in a 4D realm. Our bodies are Avatars. Jesus is Gods Avatar 🙏 ✝️
The fact the vast majority of atheists humanist in the west that can't provide a rational definition for the word female is one of the reasons why we laugh at them.
Right? You’d think theists would listen to what other theists say and accept their arguments didn’t work and try something new, but noooooo. It’s always the same nonsense over and over again.
Your comment made me rewatch this. And for fuck sake, Jacob seems like a nice enough guy but holy shit is he dumb. Every single one of his dumbass arguments was flicked away as effortlessly as flicking an ant off your arm. And like an ant he just kept marching along like nothing happened, learning nothing from the experience and continuing to climb back up to get effortlessly flicked away again. At one point he asked if they were aware of any evidence for a Creator, and when they said no he was dumbfounded. He literally exclaimed "WOW! That's amazing." Jacob was surprised that people who don't believe in a God or gods aren't aware of any evidence for a God or gods. He doesn't even know WHAT the people he's talking to believe. It would be like me talking to a Republican with zero knowledge of what Republicans tend to believe, and me saying: "So you don't think the Second Amendment should be repealed?". And they say "No." And I go "WOW! That's amazing." Wow indeed 😑
Raley are they hearing atheist points from atheists. When have you ever heard an atheist say they believe something came from nothing? Most atheists wouldn't even know how you'd go about defining nothing. Even the person they base it on Laurence Kraus, never meant 'nothing' in the way they use it.
@@MarkMiller-gt5tu You mean the water we have ON EARTH? According to The Planetary Society, (and with my previous understanding based on other sources) I found this: "There are numerous theories about how Earth got its water. Most fall into two categories: Either Earth was born with the molecular precursors of water already present, or water-laden space rocks like asteroids and comets brought water here after the planet’s formation. Many of these theories are compatible with each other, meaning Earth could have gotten its water from multiple sources."
and...They've been doing this for over 20 years Now.. Why can't they see the conclusion, that being.. - ARROGANCE - DELUSION - LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY Seriously.... i'm not taking sides But if a group of people can't admit their mistakes after being shown that they deny things for over 20 years and provide nothing factual THAT'S A CLEAR PROBLEM Again....OVER 20 YEARS
It's not that they didn't provide evidence for God it's just that atheist don't understand the meanings of words like evidence. There is evidence for God the fact every civilization we have ever come across predating the Bible and despite not having contact with each other came to the same conclusion of the creator of the origins of life is evidence of the belief in God being a designed thought and or a logical conclusion. Also atheism is a disbelief it's disingenuous for an atheist to even ask for evidence for God. Even if God was proven by the scientific method somebody with a disbelief in God wouldn't have the willingness or ability to accept God. Interesting enough like the word evidence atheists don't know the meaning of the word atheism and the word disbelief.
@@ellaaleksandra704 .. Yes, but it should make no difference whether you choose to believe in something or not. If God presents irrefutable evidence of his existence you have no obligation to believe he is The One True God.
The passion and underlying anger the caller expressed is directly proportional to the TERROR they feel at the thought of their entire world view being false. Denial is real for a lot of people.
God: Hmmm... what can I do to convince people that I exist? If only I knew a lot of things, maybe even know everything. What's that called? I don't exist, so I'm only smart as the person who believes me.
"Agree to disagree ..." (about the 3:30 mark) One of the most dishonest things someone can say. That's just someone running away because they know they lost the argument and are trying to save face.
Idk I was once arguing with a flat earther about the existence of gravity and no matter how much evidence I gave him he just refused it all in the end I had to say let's agree to disagree to avoid an aneurysm
Well, now, I have to disagree. I use the tactic frequently to make sure I'm understanding what someone is telling me, particularly if they're dancing all around the main point with a lot of irrelevant references and allusions. Paraphrasing someone's statement is a very effective technique in debate, though it's obviously prone to abuse, as well.
@@tomhubbard1900 I have to agree and add: I do it if something just isn't clear or my mind cannot compute it as said, as it gives the other party a reason to try a different angle or approach. I also ask it with repeating their exact words, if I can see where they are wrong, so they can hear it coming from someone else and maybe pick up on their error. I think all of us are right, in the uses, but there is where the nuances come in, like when in the conversation it is asked, their tone of voice when asking, and the setting and reason for the conversation in the first place.
@@tomhubbard1900 This debate technique is used by atheists to put words in people's mouth. Another technique is to cut people's argument off, change the subject, and ask them a leading question. If they don't get the one-word answer they're looking for they mute the caller and go on a 5-minute rant. If anyone makes an effective argument they sarcastically suggest he go collect his Nobel Prize and throw up a ton of evasive BS before ending the call.
@@bobgarrett7134 Then you and you ilk should stop spewing nonsense if you don't want to be called out on it. Why do think anyone has to sit through BS that's been repeated ad nauseum and never goes anywhere? Cry harder.
"I don't have a problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, intentional and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to accept." - anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality
Yeah, god should know that sending minions here won't convince anyone. The theists spamming here are wasting their time, and god let it happen if he exists
According to most theists (Christian theists anyway) all the "look at the trees!" 🤩evidence IS readily available/obvious, but atheists just refuse to accept it. 😏
God on his way to make a picture frame drop off of a shelf as his best way to convince you he's real (he know it won't work and refuses to use a method that will work [i think he doesn't want you to believe he's real {i think god is a tsundere}])
An omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god would know what each individual athiest or agnostic would need in the way of evidence to believe in him and yet, here we are with no evidence and unconvinced.
@@JorgeFCR2502 Doesn't the bible say something about not trusting men and never to speak in behalf of god? And what does church do? Men speaking in behalf of god.. 🤦🏻♀️ Why not let god speak for itself? 🤭😄
Yeah, b-but if they pretend that it's true, it sounds kind of convincing, especially if you just assume that I'm telling you the truth and never verify what I'm saying to you, right!? HOW can atheists be so dishonest!!!
@@TheTruthKiwiAnd throw into the mix, Authority. If a scientist personally believes in a deity, they try to work in the realms of reality and evidence (which indicates zero hand of a creator involved in natural processes). And any scientist who puts forth an argument on his say so alone because he earned some letters to put after his name isn't a scientist.
@@Riftsrunner If a scientist personally has a disbelief in God AKA he's an atheist he's taking the opposite of the scientific approach. Anybody who's a scientist and an atheist doesn't belong studying the origins of life and things of this nature because even if it's proven by the scientific method the origins of life is the result of creation a scientist or anybody else with a disbelief in God still wouldn't accept it. Imagine you have scientists in atheist humanist North Korea who discovered the origins of Life was the result of creation but because of atheist humanist Kim jong-un and the atheist humanist government of North Korea they're not allowed to accept the origins of Life was a result of creation ,even if they themselves proved it using the scientific method. If a scientist as an individual personally has a disbelief in God and he claims the idea of the origins of Life came into existence without God is part of the natural process he's making a claim to the supernatural. He's giving his personal opinion or what he claims his opinion is it has nothing to do with science. I know atheists don't understand this but a scientist trying to physically create life using the materials around him is not life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence it's actually creation. The natural process as we know it is life comes from life, Life comes from an intelligent source. So if anybody claims the origins of Life came into existence without God they're making a claim to the supernatural. And science doesn't deal in the supernatural . I noticed that atheists believe saying the word science equates to proving something using the scientific method but it doesn't. It's Just saying the word science. And let's not forget like almost everything else in the modern world modern science comes from Christian civilization AKA modern Western Civilization.
Poor Yahweh. It must suck to be an all-powerful entity and creator of the entire universe, yet still have to rely on people like Jacob to be your spokesperson.
And what would be the point of a god interacting with us? And why did it take god an eternity to decide to create a universe and what was he doing for an eternity? Did god have a choice and simply not create the universe? What if god had done something meaningful with his existence instead of wasting it on humans creating them 200,000 years ago then deciding to send his son to "save" a desert tribe 2,000 years ago? Why is god catering to our egocentrism?
@@bobs182 And why does this god have useless human emotions like anger and jealousy when he’s the creator of everything? How could he cast Lucifer out of Heaven because he was jealous of him when he KNEW what was going to happen? And how vile do you have to be just torture the people you created for doing exactly what you already KNEW they were going to do? He literally just creates people to torture them. THAT’S IT! That’s what the Bible humpers call love.
Theists on their way to say faith is the way to absolute truth, but also that the other 90% of the faith users on earth that have Faith in other gods or other things or other sects of their religion are 100% WRONG So faith has a
@@d_camara Every theist regardless of which particular religion they follow believes that theirs is the only true religion and all other gods and all other religions are false without ever offering an explanation as to why that might be. They can't all be right, best case scenario is that one of them may right and all the others are wrong. They could however all be wrong.
What he’s missing is, is that there are natural explanations that don’t require a deity in the equation. If there is no requirement for a deity then it is a fallacy to insert one. Thus the reason for the consensus…Generally what I usually see with any scientist who is also a believer, is that they usually believe because of personal feelings, not because within their field they see a requirement for the insertion of a deity due to there being no natural explanations
Scientists that are believers are believers because they've been indoctrinated from childhood by everyone around them, or because they fear hell, just like everyone else. And half of them are worse scientists, while the other half only ever uses this line of thinking for god, and are rational about everything else, just like everyone else. Scientists are humans, turns out, and religion affects them the same way
@einienj3281 I like to ask them if God is self-evident, and if they say yes, I ask them to point to him. Then I ask if they know what self-evident means.
He's trying to claim a black swan fallacy. What they don't get is that swans exist. Colors exist. Black AND white exist. So it WOULD be a fallacy to deny something that has pretty good likelihood of existing. It would be like denying abiogenesis simply because we weren't there billions of years ago, when we've found all the naturalistic processes that could have led to a primitive protocell.
i bet you do not think zeus exists. This caller lacks any basis of critical thought. in the dover trial the biologist who testified against ID was a christian. And this caller whole argument, is a logical fallacy. this man has zero education in any field of science. And he is pushing the discovery institute.
Another god believer saying that he has "Evidence" for his god... and like all the others, that Evidence is nothing more than = Argument from Ignorance and God of the Gaps.
I like how, as a society, we have collectively, in this VERY SPECIFIC CONTEXT, just sort of accepted that it's normal to even debate about the existence of an individual that no one has actually seen. And not just that, you CAN'T see by design. All these rules and caveats and stipulations for why he can't just appear for a few seconds to confirm himself. It's kind of just downright absurd when you think about it. I know if I were personally making up a story and needed to get people to believe it, this is exactly the kind of thing I'd say to get them to believe it. "Yea he definitely exists! In the book that he had us write through magic, he predicted that some people won't believe it. That's just more evidence he exists. What he wants from you is to believe without knowing he exists, that is the test he made for you. And if you fail, there are eternal BAD consequences so you better be safe and not sorry. " I'm sorry but the whole thing is just absurd. No one would believe today if not for indoctrination. Occams razor really does cut the whole idea of god out of the picture for me, and it doesn't even take much thought. You just have to be willing to be honest.
Religious freedom has created problems. I'm not saying it's wrong to have that freedom, it's more of a statement about the bad balance of quality education or lack thereof.
Not strictly true. Dying means you ceased living. If there is a way to reanimate a dead creature then that wouldn’t mean it didn’t die. Can it be done? Don’t know.
I love it when callers come in with what they think is perfect evidence to show god exists and are squirming within minutes and trying to move quickly to their next point. Keep up the good work guys and thanks to the Christians for the entertainment
"God manifested himself in the OT."? Really? Is that just part of the story? Maybe the talking donkey and the talking serpent convinced the zombies to tell the story to people who repeated it, to people who repeated it to people who wrote it down?
This is one of the most frustrating forms of discussion of a topic, the one in which a person starts making shit up, pulling wild claims out of the depths of their ass. The caller says that the experts in their fields of knowledge (biology, cosmology...) claim there is evidence in these sciences of a creator. That is just plain outright false. He should be trying to explain how HE interpretates the available knowledge and HE concludes such an evidence, not that OTHERS claim it. It is HE that claims it, not others. Interpretating biologists/cosmologists as if their work shows evidence does NOT mean that THEY said there is evidence. The first is just an opinion, the other is lie.
“The human body is a perfect creation!” says Ken Hamm, wearing glasses and a hearing aid. And why is it that humans are the only animals that have to wipe themselves after defecating?
4000 years ago evidence for God, bread from heaven, pillars of fire, splitting large bodies of water. 2000 years ago evidence for God water turning into wine, dead people coming back to life, walking on water Current-day evidence for God:- "Look at the trees" Its weird how all the more miraculous stuff happened before the invention of cameras.
When I hire someone the first question I ask them is "will you show up??"....why would I hire or trust anyone that says "no, because you won't notice that I'm there..."
"To be determined later after further research, or upon discovery of new evidence." That could be a legit consensus opinion. It's not applicable to too many situations these days, though. We got a lot of stuff thoroughly figured out. A. Lot.
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg
it amazes me when xtians claim the ' devil ' is evil when as far as i know the devil has never ordered genoside, according to their book their god has !
Based on the bible, the only thing Satan can be accused of is having poor reasoning skills. Which is hardly unique as pretty much every character in the bible is an ignorant buffoon. The only truly evil thing Satan did in the bible was at Yahweh's direct command.
Quoting unsubstantiated biblical passages, in order to support an argument, proves nothing at all. It is Christians who have to prove that the biblical passages are accurate historical records. As an atheist, I am under no obligation to accept extraordinary claims that are not supported by extraordinary evidence.
@@petyrkowalski9887Same. Not happening. And If god created me into his image, then I am doing exactly what I should be doing by not following god, which would also mean there isn't free will.. it's all bs. 😂
09:08 My brother is a preacher and I used a similar argument against him. I told him that I was the Christian God, and I asked him to prove that I wasn't. Of course he couldn't, because I would give him the Christian objection to every test he asked me to perform. (1) I don't have to answer to anyone. (2) I work in mysterious way. lol
What I love about Jacob's argument is that God at some point decided to stop showing up, because even back in the time period described in the Bible not everyone accepted he was a God or otherwise weren't enamoured with him. You know, this allegedly all powerful all _knowing_ deity. Despite being omnipotent and having been the source of creation that set all things in motion, God still had to choose to manifest himself just to see whether or not he'd be universally accepted - almost as if at that time he wasn't sure if humanity would. A very peculiar thing for a supposedly all powerful all _KNOWING_ being to do.
God sacrificed himself to himself for his own glory. But, it wasn't a sacrifice really unless you consider giving up a weekend. Three day sacrifice? Come on Christians, you can do better than that.
As Jesus is God, (John 10:30, John 8:54, etc.), Jesus exists from the beginning of time until the end of time, according to the Bible. Out of all that time he had one bad week-end. Not really all that much suffering, huh?
@@johnsperry9494 And not even the whole weekend: sundown Friday to sunrise Sunday. In my younger days, if it was partying Friday night and Saturday night, I was sleeping in most of Sunday.
What Jacob fails to understand is that his god could appear before everybody in the world really easily today with the rise of TV and the internet, so why not? Still wouldn't worship that god even if it were proven to be real because I disagree with the things that god did in the Bible.
So if you still don't worship, why should any god bother to show up? It would be pointless if gods want worshipers. I'm not sure your reasoning is too solid there tbh.
Caller incredulously asks: “Evidence of not showing up is evidence he doesn’t exist?” Yep. Most things that don’t show up into existence don’t show up because they don’t actually exist.
Jesus was inconvenienced for a weekend for your sins y’all. In this day and age it actually sounds marvelous to spend a weekend in quiet and seclusion.
The fact that people didn’t believe when god has ‘shown up in the past’ rather points to a situation where he either didn’t do it very well or it is just a claim. If a god did turn up and prove its nature then no one would fail to believe - ergo he has probably never ever shown up.
I always find it fascinating to hear people argue so hard about a book, especially when the discussion is if the stories in a book are real or not when it's so obviously fictional...
Here is the self evident reason all gods are imaginary. One two part question for people with superstitious religious beliefs. (A) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that the sun used matches and candles to spread light and heat at night. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? (B) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that something capable of creating a universe and everything in it, used puny humans and books to spread accurate information. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? All gods are imaginary. No people = No imagined gods.
Callers....quick hint.....rapid babbling and talking over the host whenever your own fatally flawed reasoning is pointed out to you does not help your case or improve your position. Try this instead. Pause. Listen. Think. Reflect. Then go back to your drawing board if needs be. But chattering every more rapidly and pouring out additional errors that double down on the original does nothing to help your case.
This dude is as annoying as the man who tells you the car you just bought is a bad car. Then when you ask him for evidence, he tells you some unnamed man in a bar told him it was a bad car. So it must be true.
I’m no Bible expert but did people in the Bible still disbelieve when god showed up, because I thought all the people he showed himself to did believe. They may not have obeyed but they did believe.
There's doubting Thomas. He disbelieved, until he got evidence that it wasn't some rando claiming to be Jesus. But for some reason, Christians don't think it's OK to ask for direct evidence.
I love this theist argument about why God doesn't manifest himself, that it's because *some* of us wouldn't worship him. Even if 100% of atheists still don't worship him after the revelation, wouldn't it at least clear things up for all the religions that DIDN'T follow Jesus, or better yet, what if God Revealed himself and said that Jesus wasn't his son; it was Mohammad that is his true representative? How would Jacob feel about that?!?
It's just the theists' standard excuse for presenting no evidence. "You wouldn't accept Jesus anyway!" Of course the funny part is that by doing so they ignore the instructions of their bible which says they are obliged to defend their faith to any challenge.
A prisoner in one of the concentration camps during World War Two carved the following words in one of the walls “If there is a god, he will have to beg for my forgiveness”
And someone else wrote,god died here.
Yup
I know two things when I listen to Jacob talk.
1. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
2. He doesn't want anyone else to know what he's talking about either.
I know three things about the atheist hosts of atheist experience.
1. They have a disbelief in God which means even if God was proven by the scientific method they still wouldn't accept God
2. While they don't have the willingness or ability to accept God they don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God .
3. None of them can supply a rational definition for the word female.
@@wickedchef PROOF OF CREATION/INTELLIGENT DESIGN/FLAT EARTH!
The supposed globe has a radius of 4000 miles. Therefore the curvature should drop at a rate of 8 inches per mile squared. Yet we see ships, shorelines, skylines and mountain ranges from impossible distances. The Elevation, Distance, and 8 inches per mile squared, are all factored in.
We only need 3-5 miles to prove there's no curvature.
8×3 miles squared ÷12=6ft of curvature drop.
If you stand on a shoreline and watch a ship disappear "over the horizon" with your naked eye, then look through a high powered zoom lense or telescope, you can pull The ship back into view, top to bottom, hull and all. Why? Because the horizon isn't curvature. It's perspective. Limit of one's vision with the naked eye from sea level.
If you stand in the centre of 100+ square miles of flat ground, you will see a horizon about 2-3 miles away in every direction 360 degrees around you. Why? Because the horizon isn't curvature. It's perspective. Limit of one's vision with the naked eye from ground level.
I've seen the "Ocean of Heaven" seemingly suspended in the sky above with my own two eyes. Consistent with Ancient Hebrew Cosmology. It's a closed system. "Outer Space" is water. There were thousands of "U.f.o's" in or above the Ocean outside the Firmament. Want proof of the firmament? No problem!
TH-cam - Sprites ....
Slow the video down and watch in slow motion.
You'll see the Lightening strike and ricochet off of the firmament above creating Sprites.
Wernher Von Braun has PSALMS 19:1 engraved on his Gravestone.
Who's Wernher Von Braun!? Aerospace Engineer of Nasa.
Astronots pretend to go to space. Green screen. Cgi props and globe. Backflips on harnesses. Space walks are done in underwater studios. Deep diving suits. Etc
I've also seen the flower of life all over my walls, ceiling and floor in my apartment. Why would I see the flower of life all over a man made construct? Because we are the Sims!
Physicists say they found computer code embedded in the equations we use to describe the cosmos. Suggesting we more than likely live in a computer simulation.
Atoms behave differently when being observed (Double Slit Experiment)
Atoms are 99.99 % empty space. Therefore physical matter doesn't actually exist on a subatomic level.
There are no Coincidences. Only Synchronization. Algorithms.
My theory/hypothesis based on everything above... ?
We live on a a stationary plane with a firmament above within a virtual reality. Atoms are pixels projecting 3D images in a 4D realm.
Our bodies are Avatars.
Jesus is Gods Avatar 🙏 ✝️
Yes, its just not comprehensible!
This call is why people make fun of theists.
I was vicariously embarrassed for Jacob.
The fact the vast majority of atheists humanist in the west that can't provide a rational definition for the word female is one of the reasons why we laugh at them.
Right? You’d think theists would listen to what other theists say and accept their arguments didn’t work and try something new, but noooooo. It’s always the same nonsense over and over again.
Your comment made me rewatch this.
And for fuck sake, Jacob seems like a nice enough guy but holy shit is he dumb.
Every single one of his dumbass arguments was flicked away as effortlessly as flicking an ant off your arm.
And like an ant he just kept marching along like nothing happened, learning nothing from the experience and continuing to climb back up to get effortlessly flicked away again.
At one point he asked if they were aware of any evidence for a Creator, and when they said no he was dumbfounded.
He literally exclaimed "WOW! That's amazing."
Jacob was surprised that people who don't believe in a God or gods aren't aware of any evidence for a God or gods.
He doesn't even know WHAT the people he's talking to believe.
It would be like me talking to a Republican with zero knowledge of what Republicans tend to believe, and me saying:
"So you don't think the Second Amendment should be repealed?".
And they say "No."
And I go "WOW! That's amazing."
Wow indeed 😑
Raley are they hearing atheist points from atheists. When have you ever heard an atheist say they believe something came from nothing?
Most atheists wouldn't even know how you'd go about defining nothing. Even the person they base it on Laurence Kraus, never meant 'nothing' in the way they use it.
I think I got whiplash from all the cringing I did.
It is amazing how someone can with a straight face call others dishonest while being incredibly dishonest
it's called hypocrisy and irony...
These are the people that do it the most.
@@DrinkWater713Where did 💦 water originate?
@@MarkMiller-gt5tu You mean the water we have ON EARTH? According to The Planetary Society, (and with my previous understanding based on other sources) I found this:
"There are numerous theories about how Earth got its water. Most fall into two categories: Either Earth was born with the molecular precursors of water already present, or water-laden space rocks like asteroids and comets brought water here after the planet’s formation.
Many of these theories are compatible with each other, meaning Earth could have gotten its water from multiple sources."
@@DrinkWater713 Thanks. That was very informative. I appreciate your kindness. Have a 😃 Great day!
Every AXP caller ever: "I have evidence for God!"
Also every AXP caller: Never presents evidence for God
and...They've been doing this for over 20 years
Now.. Why can't they see the conclusion, that being..
- ARROGANCE
- DELUSION
- LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY
Seriously.... i'm not taking sides But if a group of people can't admit their mistakes after being shown that they deny things for over 20 years and provide nothing factual
THAT'S A CLEAR PROBLEM
Again....OVER 20 YEARS
It's not that they didn't provide evidence for God it's just that atheist don't understand the meanings of words like evidence.
There is evidence for God the fact every civilization we have ever come across predating the Bible and despite not having contact with each other came to the same conclusion of the creator of the origins of life is evidence of the belief in God being a designed thought and or a logical conclusion.
Also atheism is a disbelief it's disingenuous for an atheist to even ask for evidence for God. Even if God was proven by the scientific method somebody with a disbelief in God wouldn't have the willingness or ability to accept God. Interesting enough like the word evidence atheists don't know the meaning of the word atheism and the word disbelief.
You don't need evidence of anything to believe anything... If anybody tells you the opposite they're lying.
@@PrivateSi well if they are saying they have evidence, should they not present some of it to us?
@@ellaaleksandra704 .. Yes, but it should make no difference whether you choose to believe in something or not. If God presents irrefutable evidence of his existence you have no obligation to believe he is The One True God.
The passion and underlying anger the caller expressed is directly proportional to the TERROR they feel at the thought of their entire world view being false. Denial is real for a lot of people.
Well put.
Absolutely. 👌💯
Well the Abrahamic religions are based on fear.
If god shows up and no one believes he's god, how lame is that? If god in person can't convince people he's real then he's not much of a god.
Lol, right? How weak
God: Hmmm... what can I do to convince people that I exist? If only I knew a lot of things, maybe even know everything. What's that called? I don't exist, so I'm only smart as the person who believes me.
If "god" were to show up and juggle tractor trailers, I might be convinced "he's" real.
Exactly. Must believe he showed up in biblical time or burn. But also must believe he doesn’t show now, because now no one would believe?
He created the Babel Fish to offer up some sort of hint, but the whole thing backfired in a puff of logic.
This dude turning himself into a pretzel to argue the inarguable.
Facts!
When he realizes he's losing, he talks faster.
And arguing both sides as it suits him - like whether God sacrificed Jesus or not, whether Jesus died or not - this guy was all over the place.
"Agree to disagree ..." (about the 3:30 mark)
One of the most dishonest things someone can say. That's just someone running away because they know they lost the argument and are trying to save face.
I love that everyone saw through him and laughed.
I am always reminded of Hitchens, when someone said it to him his reply was amazing. 'I could agree to disagree but then we'd both be wrong'
@@Phrive😂😂
Idk I was once arguing with a flat earther about the existence of gravity and no matter how much evidence I gave him he just refused it all in the end I had to say let's agree to disagree to avoid an aneurysm
Everytime someone says ¨so you are saying...¨ in a conversation, you KNOW that some dishonest crap is going to fall out of their mouths.
Yup. Purposefully misunderstanding is what they do most.
Well, now, I have to disagree. I use the tactic frequently to make sure I'm understanding what someone is telling me, particularly if they're dancing all around the main point with a lot of irrelevant references and allusions. Paraphrasing someone's statement is a very effective technique in debate, though it's obviously prone to abuse, as well.
@@tomhubbard1900 I have to agree and add: I do it if something just isn't clear or my mind cannot compute it as said, as it gives the other party a reason to try a different angle or approach. I also ask it with repeating their exact words, if I can see where they are wrong, so they can hear it coming from someone else and maybe pick up on their error.
I think all of us are right, in the uses, but there is where the nuances come in, like when in the conversation it is asked, their tone of voice when asking, and the setting and reason for the conversation in the first place.
@@tomhubbard1900 This debate technique is used by atheists to put words in people's mouth. Another technique is to cut people's argument off, change the subject, and ask them a leading question. If they don't get the one-word answer they're looking for they mute the caller and go on a 5-minute rant. If anyone makes an effective argument they sarcastically suggest he go collect his Nobel Prize and throw up a ton of evasive BS before ending the call.
@@bobgarrett7134 Then you and you ilk should stop spewing nonsense if you don't want to be called out on it. Why do think anyone has to sit through BS that's been repeated ad nauseum and never goes anywhere? Cry harder.
"I don't have a problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, intentional and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to accept."
- anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality
You would think an all knowing god would know what evidence would convince people.
Yeah, god should know that sending minions here won't convince anyone. The theists spamming here are wasting their time, and god let it happen if he exists
According to most theists (Christian theists anyway) all the "look at the trees!" 🤩evidence IS readily available/obvious, but atheists just refuse to accept it. 😏
God on his way to make a picture frame drop off of a shelf as his best way to convince you he's real (he know it won't work and refuses to use a method that will work [i think he doesn't want you to believe he's real {i think god is a tsundere}])
An omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god would know what each individual athiest or agnostic would need in the way of evidence to believe in him and yet, here we are with no evidence and unconvinced.
I never understand why believers in an omniscient, eternal, omnipotent being at the same time assume that they know why that being does what it does.
Like Woody Allen said - "showing up is 80% of success".
"Regarding religion vs. science ... I'll take the air conditioning."
Imaginary entities need spokespersons.
lol. very true. There are spokespeople for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as well. They are kids.
Well said. I am so stealing that line.
@@humbleevidenceaccepter7712 I should use it too. It's genius. If God existed, there'd be no debate. Atheism wouldn't even exist.
@@humbleevidenceaccepter7712 👍
@@JorgeFCR2502 Doesn't the bible say something about not trusting men and never to speak in behalf of god? And what does church do? Men speaking in behalf of god.. 🤦🏻♀️
Why not let god speak for itself? 🤭😄
"A growing number of scientists are saying thus demonstrates a god."
No, no, they're not. In fact it's going the opposite way.
"I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time." -- Isaac Asimov
Yeah, b-but if they pretend that it's true, it sounds kind of convincing, especially if you just assume that I'm telling you the truth and never verify what I'm saying to you, right!? HOW can atheists be so dishonest!!!
Notice he didn't name a single one.
That's correct. He just flat out lied to try to make himself right.
I don't know how anyone can have the patience to argue with this type of individual...
Yet another caller spouting an argument from incredulity
And ignorance
@@TheTruthKiwiAnd throw into the mix, Authority. If a scientist personally believes in a deity, they try to work in the realms of reality and evidence (which indicates zero hand of a creator involved in natural processes). And any scientist who puts forth an argument on his say so alone because he earned some letters to put after his name isn't a scientist.
😂 imagine atheists accusing someone of incredulity.
Atheism is the position of incredulity it's a disbelief in God.
@@Riftsrunner
If a scientist personally has a disbelief in God AKA he's an atheist he's taking the opposite of the scientific approach.
Anybody who's a scientist and an atheist doesn't belong studying the origins of life and things of this nature because even if it's proven by the scientific method the origins of life is the result of creation a scientist or anybody else with a disbelief in God still wouldn't accept it.
Imagine you have scientists in atheist humanist North Korea who discovered the origins of Life was the result of creation but because of atheist humanist Kim jong-un and the atheist humanist government of North Korea they're not allowed to accept the origins of Life was a result of creation ,even if they themselves proved it using the scientific method.
If a scientist as an individual personally has a disbelief in God and he claims the idea of the origins of Life came into existence without God is part of the natural process he's making a claim to the supernatural. He's giving his personal opinion or what he claims his opinion is it has nothing to do with science.
I know atheists don't understand this but a scientist trying to physically create life using the materials around him is not life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence it's actually creation.
The natural process as we know it is life comes from life, Life comes from an intelligent source. So if anybody claims the origins of Life came into existence without God they're making a claim to the supernatural. And science doesn't deal in the supernatural .
I noticed that atheists believe saying the word science equates to proving something using the scientific method but it doesn't. It's Just saying the word science.
And let's not forget like almost everything else in the modern world modern science comes from Christian civilization AKA modern Western Civilization.
@@HumanismIsRepulsive no, it isn't
Poor Yahweh. It must suck to be an all-powerful entity and creator of the entire universe, yet still have to rely on people like Jacob to be your spokesperson.
And what would be the point of a god interacting with us? And why did it take god an eternity to decide to create a universe and what was he doing for an eternity? Did god have a choice and simply not create the universe? What if god had done something meaningful with his existence instead of wasting it on humans creating them 200,000 years ago then deciding to send his son to "save" a desert tribe 2,000 years ago? Why is god catering to our egocentrism?
@@bobs182 And why does this god have useless human emotions like anger and jealousy when he’s the creator of everything? How could he cast Lucifer out of Heaven because he was jealous of him when he KNEW what was going to happen? And how vile do you have to be just torture the people you created for doing exactly what you already KNEW they were going to do? He literally just creates people to torture them. THAT’S IT! That’s what the Bible humpers call love.
Exactly. Lol
I just had a conversation with a woman that claimed she talked to god then i told her that i talked to spirits and she said that wasnt real lol. 😂😂😂
Theists on their way to say faith is the way to absolute truth, but also that the other 90% of the faith users on earth that have Faith in other gods or other things or other sects of their religion are 100% WRONG
So faith has a
@@d_camara lol
@@d_camara Every theist regardless of which particular religion they follow believes that theirs is the only true religion and all other gods and all other religions are false without ever offering an explanation as to why that might be. They can't all be right, best case scenario is that one of them may right and all the others are wrong. They could however all be wrong.
Hahaha. This comment wins the internet
@@andystokes8702What if all our gods were aliens and humans worshiped them, because their capabilities looked like magic?
Like essentially all theists, Jacob listens with his mouth.
Goddammit that's a good comment.
What's actually amazing Jacob, is you do think there is evidence for a creator, there is not
"but look at the trees"....
Jacob will be representing the USA at the Paris Olympics in the mental gymnastics contest.
What he’s missing is, is that there are natural explanations that don’t require a deity in the equation. If there is no requirement for a deity then it is a fallacy to insert one. Thus the reason for the consensus…Generally what I usually see with any scientist who is also a believer, is that they usually believe because of personal feelings, not because within their field they see a requirement for the insertion of a deity due to there being no natural explanations
Scientists that are believers are believers because they've been indoctrinated from childhood by everyone around them, or because they fear hell, just like everyone else.
And half of them are worse scientists, while the other half only ever uses this line of thinking for god, and are rational about everything else, just like everyone else.
Scientists are humans, turns out, and religion affects them the same way
You can tell Jacob is in Florida as he’s increasingly underwater as the call goes on and in complete denial about it.
Completely in de nile
_"I'm sure God will save meBLUBURRLURBLE..."_
Yes - he's underwater AND being devoured by alligators. 😃
Yall wild 😂
Jacob reminds me of why I am a proud atheist
He is one of those: "look at the trees!" 😂
I looked at a tree once.
It was ok, I guess.
Yes, the self-evident God that not everyone can see.
@@oldbatwit5102 I like trees. They are nice. But once you've seen one of each, it's pretty meh..
@@vladtheemailer3223 Maybe I need better glasses or something.. god goggles? 😎
@einienj3281 I like to ask them if God is self-evident, and if they say yes, I ask them to point to him. Then I ask if they know what self-evident means.
“So your argument is that the fact he never shows up is somehow evidence that he doesn’t exist”…😂😂😂
Image that... 😄😄
In much the same way that vampires, zombies, orcs, elves and fairies never show up. I wonder why?
He's trying to claim a black swan fallacy.
What they don't get is that swans exist. Colors exist. Black AND white exist. So it WOULD be a fallacy to deny something that has pretty good likelihood of existing.
It would be like denying abiogenesis simply because we weren't there billions of years ago, when we've found all the naturalistic processes that could have led to a primitive protocell.
i bet you do not think zeus exists. This caller lacks any basis of critical thought. in the dover trial the biologist who testified against ID was a christian. And this caller whole argument, is a logical fallacy. this man has zero education in any field of science. And he is pushing the discovery institute.
I don't know if "god" exists or not but I'm leaning towards "not".
If a god shows up, I'd believe it exists.
But i would not worship it.
What if the God was a sexy moma with big tatas?
If one has solid evidence there's no need for belief. I won't believe anything but I'll accept things based on reason logic and rational arguments.
@@quasnof "What if the God was a sexy moma with big tatas?"
That's it, I'm signing on. 🍐🍐
Please provide me with the account number for my tithing.
Another god believer saying that he has "Evidence" for his god... and like all the others, that Evidence is nothing more than = Argument from Ignorance and God of the Gaps.
I like how, as a society, we have collectively, in this VERY SPECIFIC CONTEXT, just sort of accepted that it's normal to even debate about the existence of an individual that no one has actually seen. And not just that, you CAN'T see by design. All these rules and caveats and stipulations for why he can't just appear for a few seconds to confirm himself. It's kind of just downright absurd when you think about it.
I know if I were personally making up a story and needed to get people to believe it, this is exactly the kind of thing I'd say to get them to believe it. "Yea he definitely exists! In the book that he had us write through magic, he predicted that some people won't believe it. That's just more evidence he exists. What he wants from you is to believe without knowing he exists, that is the test he made for you. And if you fail, there are eternal BAD consequences so you better be safe and not sorry. "
I'm sorry but the whole thing is just absurd. No one would believe today if not for indoctrination. Occams razor really does cut the whole idea of god out of the picture for me, and it doesn't even take much thought. You just have to be willing to be honest.
And somehow he always needs money. Lmao
And since how can’t handle money
Religious freedom has created problems. I'm not saying it's wrong to have that freedom, it's more of a statement about the bad balance of quality education or lack thereof.
the problem is that to believe in religions and god(s) you have to suspend thought...
@@akhnatenpage4854 all knowing and all powerful just can't seem to handle money!
This caller shows what happens when your brain falls out of your head.
your statement implies that he has a brain...
It’s called indoctrination they got him when he was young and gullible!
@@hellshade2Not anymore.
@@hellshade2 he HAD a brain
@@DJH316007 Maybe they should ask Dorothy to get them one. If only they had a brain.
"It's supposed to be full of holes, that's why you need to have faith to believe."
If Yahweh showed up, he’d have a lot of questions to answer.
@@Kizzy-qb9si my guy....WHAT! Shoot u betta say dat. His walk in theme song go be 50 Cent's "21 Questions" 🤣😂🤣
@@Talented3003 personally, my first question: why choose favorites?
@@Kizzy-qb9si mine would be, what's with the continuous absence
“Thou shall not question thy god”. They always have a reply. 😂
He'll get a smack from me for allowing my parents to die of dementia and lose their dignity, I'll go to hell for it if neccessary.
She's the best, love to hear her speak and formulate ideas.
I wouldn't go down the 'sacrificing children to a god' route if I were you, mate.
isn't amazing how the rate of god showing up declines at the same rate that our ability to accurately record the event goes up.
No, it’s supernatural. 🤣🤣
14 minutes in and he's offered zero evidence.
Dying means you don’t come back. If you come back 3 days later you didn’t die!!! 😂
Not strictly true.
Dying means you ceased living.
If there is a way to reanimate a dead creature then that wouldn’t mean it didn’t die.
Can it be done? Don’t know.
@@oggyoggy1299 🤨
@oggyoggy1299 ...so, what? You can't say "it's possible" without evidence. So far we have a lot of evidence to make it seem very unlikely.
@@oggyoggy1299Has it been done?
I had a bad weekend one time, too.
Gandolf didn't really die either.
"I have evidence", if he showed up you still wouldn't believe in him". Wow, That's so compelling.
Easy to say when you know it will never happen.
I love it when callers come in with what they think is perfect evidence to show god exists and are squirming within minutes and trying to move quickly to their next point. Keep up the good work guys and thanks to the Christians for the entertainment
"God manifested himself in the OT."?
Really? Is that just part of the story? Maybe the talking donkey and the talking serpent convinced the zombies to tell the story to people who repeated it, to people who repeated it to people who wrote it down?
Poor little god so offended by the mean humans
Indeed. An allegedly omnipotent God struggling to understand why none of the humans he made don't believe in/don't like him.
@@freakishuproar1168 maybe we should hold an intervention
@@freakishuproar1168 especially 🌳🍎🐍
@@freakishuproar1168he's very needy, but he's supposed to be transcendental
This is one of the most frustrating forms of discussion of a topic, the one in which a person starts making shit up, pulling wild claims out of the depths of their ass. The caller says that the experts in their fields of knowledge (biology, cosmology...) claim there is evidence in these sciences of a creator. That is just plain outright false. He should be trying to explain how HE interpretates the available knowledge and HE concludes such an evidence, not that OTHERS claim it. It is HE that claims it, not others.
Interpretating biologists/cosmologists as if their work shows evidence does NOT mean that THEY said there is evidence. The first is just an opinion, the other is lie.
My kidney doesn't work, my heart has mummers and I have epilepsy. What a great perfect god Jacob follows.
*murmurs
Yep. I had a cancerous kidney removed last year. My spine is all messed up. My ears are ringing. God is a crappy designer.
“The human body is a perfect creation!” says Ken Hamm, wearing glasses and a hearing aid. And why is it that humans are the only animals that have to wipe themselves after defecating?
4000 years ago evidence for God, bread from heaven, pillars of fire, splitting large bodies of water.
2000 years ago evidence for God water turning into wine, dead people coming back to life, walking on water
Current-day evidence for God:- "Look at the trees"
Its weird how all the more miraculous stuff happened before the invention of cameras.
All relegious miracles are in the past or will happen in the future
He is defending God, a supreme all-powerful entity, and simultaneously defending his own sanity
When I hire someone the first question I ask them is "will you show up??"....why would I hire or trust anyone that says "no, because you won't notice that I'm there..."
Doing "pretzel twisting back flips" for Geeezuz !!
This is one of the best. I have never seen so many arguments knocked down so fast in so many ways.
If there was a God, nobody would doubt his existence.
If you have enough faith. You don't need facts..theists logic
Yup lol
"To be determined later after further research, or upon discovery of new evidence."
That could be a legit consensus opinion. It's not applicable to too many situations these days, though. We got a lot of stuff thoroughly figured out. A. Lot.
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg
This caller really thinks seeing = believing = worship.
I can only imagine the scams he has fallen for before and since this call.
I've never listened to you guys before today but you're awesome.
If Jesus became more powerful, what is the sacrifice?
it amazes me when xtians claim the ' devil ' is evil when as far as i know the devil has never ordered genoside, according to their book their god has !
compared to the things god has done in te OT or ordered his chosen people to do,the devil is a damn saint!
@@hellshade2 i think the book has it ass backwards just like the religion and its believers
Based on the bible, the only thing Satan can be accused of is having poor reasoning skills. Which is hardly unique as pretty much every character in the bible is an ignorant buffoon. The only truly evil thing Satan did in the bible was at Yahweh's direct command.
@@Angel-nl1hp yeah, yawehs the real badguy
The devil has done very little in the bible, his shining moment was the trial of Job, and that was all with god's permission and blessing
Jacob makes a strong case for public education.
Quoting unsubstantiated biblical passages, in order to support an argument, proves nothing at all. It is Christians who have to prove that the biblical passages are accurate historical records. As an atheist, I am under no obligation to accept extraordinary claims that are not supported by extraordinary evidence.
If god showed up and proved he was a god, I still don't have to follow god..do I? Free will and all that?
I wouldnt for sure.
If the Christian god exists, there would be such a power imbalance that you and I would likely follow him, which makes it all rather immoral.
@@petyrkowalski9887Same. Not happening. And If god created me into his image, then I am doing exactly what I should be doing by not following god, which would also mean there isn't free will.. it's all bs. 😂
@@akhnatenpage4854God is already threatening me with hell. God showing up wouldn't change that.
@@einienj3281 I feel the same. But a lot of people would say different under threat of a gun. A god would be infinitely more threatening you know?
09:08 My brother is a preacher and I used a similar argument against him.
I told him that I was the Christian God, and I asked him to prove that I wasn't.
Of course he couldn't, because I would give him the Christian objection to every test he asked me to perform.
(1) I don't have to answer to anyone.
(2) I work in mysterious way.
lol
Extraordinary that people still believe this nonsense.
Good Steelman arguments. You guys rock!
Imagine having work around or be around Jacob??
Why do theists find it so hard to understand we/life formed to the environment, the environment didn’t form to us.
I've never laughed so much,,,thanks Jacob.
What I love about Jacob's argument is that God at some point decided to stop showing up, because even back in the time period described in the Bible not everyone accepted he was a God or otherwise weren't enamoured with him. You know, this allegedly all powerful all _knowing_ deity. Despite being omnipotent and having been the source of creation that set all things in motion, God still had to choose to manifest himself just to see whether or not he'd be universally accepted - almost as if at that time he wasn't sure if humanity would.
A very peculiar thing for a supposedly all powerful all _KNOWING_ being to do.
God sacrificed himself to himself for his own glory. But, it wasn't a sacrifice really unless you consider giving up a weekend. Three day sacrifice? Come on Christians, you can do better than that.
As Jesus is God, (John 10:30, John 8:54, etc.), Jesus exists from the beginning of time until the end of time, according to the Bible. Out of all that time he had one bad week-end. Not really all that much suffering, huh?
@@johnsperry9494 And not even the whole weekend: sundown Friday to sunrise Sunday. In my younger days, if it was partying Friday night and Saturday night, I was sleeping in most of Sunday.
yeah. im dealing with it right now my mother and wife say im wrong when i directly point out the problems with the lack of evidence.
"A growing number of scientists..." Hmm, please demonstrate that. This is a often heard myth among creationists that has no data to back it up.
If evenTracie is getting agitated.....
I would like to add that “irreducible complexity” is a chapter in origin of the species, and is explained by Darwin in that chapter
What Jacob fails to understand is that his god could appear before everybody in the world really easily today with the rise of TV and the internet, so why not? Still wouldn't worship that god even if it were proven to be real because I disagree with the things that god did in the Bible.
So if you still don't worship, why should any god bother to show up? It would be pointless if gods want worshipers. I'm not sure your reasoning is too solid there tbh.
@@itsJPhere What does a god need worshippers for anyway? Are their egos that fragile? Doesn't sound like a being worthy of worship to me.
@@rcblazer Whatever the reason could be is irrelevant as long as it's pointless to show up in the first place.
@@itsJPhere Then it's pointless to worship any god too.
@@itsJPhere god is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful so why would such a creature even need worshippers?
Wow... gotta sit down & listen to this! 😊
Jesus got food poisoning at the Last Supper. He was in a coma that weekend 😂
Caller incredulously asks: “Evidence of not showing up is evidence he doesn’t exist?”
Yep. Most things that don’t show up into existence don’t show up because they don’t actually exist.
Jacob is about as sharp as a house plant.
"You REALLY don't believe in Santa Claus?!!?" "Consensus is your bar?!!?"
Jesus was inconvenienced for a weekend for your sins y’all. In this day and age it actually sounds marvelous to spend a weekend in quiet and seclusion.
Everyone needs a boyfriend who lives in Canda and who can never show up for things. For some, his name is God.
As always, zero evidence presented. That's a fail.
The fact that people didn’t believe when god has ‘shown up in the past’ rather points to a situation where he either didn’t do it very well or it is just a claim. If a god did turn up and prove its nature then no one would fail to believe - ergo he has probably never ever shown up.
Why would an omnipotent god manifest in a way that could be disbelieved at all? That's illogical as hell.
I always find it fascinating to hear people argue so hard about a book, especially when the discussion is if the stories in a book are real or not when it's so obviously fictional...
From the moment he dtarted the call you can tell he thought he was going to win then he hit a wall
A god that can make an entire universe can't figure out how to convince us he exists ?
Here is the self evident reason all gods are imaginary.
One two part question for people with superstitious religious beliefs.
(A) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that the sun used matches and candles to spread light and heat at night.
Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)?
(B) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that something capable of creating a universe and everything in it, used puny humans and books to spread accurate information.
Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)?
All gods are imaginary. No people = No imagined gods.
Great advocacy from you both.
Callers....quick hint.....rapid babbling and talking over the host whenever your own fatally flawed reasoning is pointed out to you does not help your case or improve your position. Try this instead.
Pause.
Listen.
Think.
Reflect.
Then go back to your drawing board if needs be.
But chattering every more rapidly and pouring out additional errors that double down on the original does nothing to help your case.
"Nothing is given to man automatically, neither knowledge, nor self-confidence, nor inner serenity, nor the right way to use his mind."
-Ayn Rand-
This dude is as annoying as the man who tells you the car you just bought is a bad car. Then when you ask him for evidence, he tells you some unnamed man in a bar told him it was a bad car. So it must be true.
Intellectual dishonesty breeds ignorance.
I’m no Bible expert but did people in the Bible still disbelieve when god showed up, because I thought all the people he showed himself to did believe. They may not have obeyed but they did believe.
There's doubting Thomas. He disbelieved, until he got evidence that it wasn't some rando claiming to be Jesus.
But for some reason, Christians don't think it's OK to ask for direct evidence.
It's a lie theists often tell themself, "You wouldn't believe the evidence, because you hate god!"
I totally hate Hitler, still I believe he existed.
I don't think the Romans did...
@@zzcanasta what Romans did God show himself too?
He never shows up therefore he exists.
I love this theist argument about why God doesn't manifest himself, that it's because *some* of us wouldn't worship him. Even if 100% of atheists still don't worship him after the revelation, wouldn't it at least clear things up for all the religions that DIDN'T follow Jesus, or better yet, what if God Revealed himself and said that Jesus wasn't his son; it was Mohammad that is his true representative? How would Jacob feel about that?!?
Maybe he would commit the "no true Scotsman" fallacy and claim that it isn't a true god? And he'll just wait for the true god?
Then when God p!sses off again there’d be multiple interpretations of what He meant within 5 minutes.
These callers are so painful to listen to The hosts are so polite
Is he saying god won’t show up because he’s ashamed?
God should be. It's god that should repent and ask for forgiveness, not us.
No, he’s just sulking
@@bestbehaveEven worse.
Because we're just so mean to wittle ole gawd
It's just the theists' standard excuse for presenting no evidence. "You wouldn't accept Jesus anyway!"
Of course the funny part is that by doing so they ignore the instructions of their bible which says they are obliged to defend their faith to any challenge.
" I have water in my cup. Can u ask this creator to create wine right now?"..lol hilarious 😂
What we really need is for trumpets to destroy cities like Jericho so we can save $900 billion on defense spending.
So no evidence... I'm not surprised.