"You don't think Starfleet took command of this space station... without the means to defend it, do you?" Well... yes, knowing Starfleet, I'd say that's exactly what they did.
It's good to see American cost-efficiency over effectiveness is alive and well in the future. Or if you believe Starfleet evolved from the American military and political systems, American bureaucracy is alive and well.
It's funny, several years later when the Klingons attacked the station. General Martok told Gowron that Sisko was bluffing about the upgrades to the station and was using Thoron Fields and Duranium Shadows, just like Major Kira did in this episode. Only Sisko wasn't bluffing that time lol.
you guys complain about how they explode, it's better that they explode and leave only tiny amounts of debris, compared to massive spacehulks being built up all over the galaxy thanks to warp explosions, massive debris fields, and inhospitable empty ships
Even the Federation -Starfleet knows that Kira is crazy. Section 31 probably recorded her notorius acts during the cardassian occupation of Bajor and Starfleet probably place her to be the second in command of DS9 after Sisko
@@cholodelrosari0543 You may be right. Section 31 is the Looney Asylum of StarFleet,which StarFleet doesn't have a record of (Yeah Right). Kira would fit right in with Section 31 in her younger days but she's found a moral compass since working with Sisco,but she still has some THUGGERY in her if you set her off.
By this point, the cardassian are a minor power compared to starfleet. The federation barely called their conflict with them a war. So yeah, the cardassian aren't very keen on a starfleet response to their aggression rn.
@@Slopmaster true but the rest of the characters had already been built up by then so they could have carried him. Just like Jeri Ryan was a new entry into Voyager and the rest of the crew managed to help out the character development.
That might have weakened her position and shown weakness. If the Star Trek Novel Emissary, they created the illusion of the station having a large weapons arsenal and Jasad's lieutenant was worried they actually had the weapons!
@@gerardfogarty-law6526 that is what happened in this scene, too .... but it still doesn't explain how they thought the station couldn't defend itself against Gul Dukat's ONE warship .... but the THREE warships were there accusing the station of destroying that ONE warship. the more I think of it .... the less sense they're making 🤣
Best case the first 2 ships destroyed and 3rd retreat s tail between their legs . saying the bajorans are now armed to the teeth and crazy leave them alone poor jazod would become captain of garbage freighter
She was unusually tough and aggressive for a character on the side of the good guys. When I first saw DS9 when I was about 10, it felt like when you go down a flight of stairs and you miss a step, after TNG where everyone always gets along. I came to appreciate her character and the reasons for it much more as I grew up.
I never understood why the Cardassians withdrew only to come back and why Starfleet didn't leave a ship at the station until they could upgrade the weapons systems.
I think maybe the Enterprise was supposed to be there longer but got called away on an emergency. It's been over 25 years since I've seen this episode, so I can't recall.
@@homiedclown Ugh. I keep wondering if Voyager simply manufactured new photon torpedoes, what with how often they used the damn things. That and unlimited shuttles. I swear they blew one up every episode!
It's FINALLY getting it!!! It's overdue, but I'm happy many Trek fans are have been giving DS9 the kudos it deserves for several years now. That's why there's a big push to take the series to HD. Check it out: th-cam.com/video/UKLsGlQ3CHE/w-d-xo.html
@@ctcentralinfo The Trek fansI have talked say, that stories on a space station is not as adventurous as star ships exploring new planets and new galaxies.
In "defense" of the Cardassians, space, even a tiny segment of it within a star system, is vast and I'm pretty sure the prophets just didn't want to be found.
Yeah, you're not wrong there, but the Cardassians were very interested in the Orbs, and a brief archive search and sensor sweep would have put them on exactly the same path Dax was on when she found the wormhole. If you think about it they really should have found it. And they would be seething after learning the Federation found it a few days after taking custody of the station. On a more humorous note, imagine responding to a conversation thread a year later! Imagine being that inept!...😂
"What changed her mind?" "I did. I told her she'd be risking us pulling out of the treaty." "And what changed your mind?" "You did......... remind never to play poker with you." -Kira and Ross, later in the timeline.
At least the dialogue leaves you wondering A lot of writers just took human games and added a foreign adjective like “Bolian chess”, like that’s somehow supposed to be intriguing to ms
Ah, how I miss DS9. I think I love it better than any of the other series so far. Not because I’m saying it’s better (but I am, lol) but because I watched it at a time in my life when it needed to be there. And I’ve always appreciated that. And that it IS the best Star Trek series ever!
@@tzvikrasner6073 what Benjamin did to the Maquis (and Michael Eddington, specifically) was more like something that a Bajoran fighter would have done during the Cardassian Occupation ... that's why Kira wasn't expecting it. and Worf ... I was surprised he was stunned cuz he's done a lot worse. I mean ... he killed Duras under Klingon tradition on a Klingon ship AND almost killed his brother on DS9 🤣🤣🤣 But, I don't think either expected Benjamin to actually do it. Hell, Jadzia was surprised .... and she's known Benjamin longer than anyone BY FAR.
@@dhinton1 It was a massive bluff on Sisko's part, and it was done to play upon and exploit Eddington's one weakness, his desire to be the hero in his own story. If Sisko was going to truly be ruthless, he would have fired the torpedoes AT the colony and wiped it out, rather than on the opposite side of the planet to give them a chance to evacuate. Worf, Kira and Dax were shocked because none of them had ever seen Sisko go to this level to defeat an enemy, and at the time none of them knew he was bluffing, and whether or not he was actually going to take out every Maquis settlement as he threatened to do. Not even Dax who has known him the longest.
Me too, and it is a very smart move - The Cardassians may be able to defeat the defenses of the station, but do they really want another full-on war with Starfleet? Kira is using politics as well as her station's defenses as a strategy to stand them off.
*Jasad sees the wormhole he insisted didn't exist* Bugger..... *Jasad sees one of their mighty warships being towed by an oversized Starfleet shuttlecraft* Double bugger.....
This highlights why chess and poker can be great games to play for most people. Chess enables the players to see and anticipate the enemies movements while poker gives the players the ability to train wit, tact and gain the infamous "poker face". A combo like that is what gives captains the skills needed to communicate with enemies with poker faces.
"Ok it says here 6 torpedoes to be unloaded" "Doesn't it say 60?....." "Nah I reckon that's a full stop" "Why would it be there?" "Dunno...." "Ok well 2 in each launcher?" "Nah put all 6 in one, that's the side anyone would attack from......"
The reason I say the tractor beams instead of the engines is because the inertial dampeners. The engines are going to give an certain amount of thrust. Adding the extra mass of the Galor-class starship would slow them down, but would still be possible even with weak engines. Usually the force of the engines is spread out across the entire ship because of the dampeners. The tractor beam, however, needs to be strong enough to pull whatever the force needed is through one tiny emitter.
Admiral Ross said the same to Colonel Kira after the Romulan Warbirds had withdrawn from Derna in "Shadows and Symbols". Yet another excellent case of DS9's use of continuity. ::-)
@@NotContinuum I would imagine the power output required for Quantum torpedoes would have been more than the station could handle. Pound for Pound, a starship has far greater energy output because of its Warp Core. Without a warp drive, a space station would require far less, which then comes at a cost for such weapons. ESPECIALLY if you have to power a much more massive collection of phaser arrays.
@@k1productions87 they use the same antimatter reactor as far as i know, but DS9 being an unholy mismatch of Bajoran, Federation and Cardassian technology and also originally a mining station, probably didn't have conduits strong enough to operate any stronger armaments without frying a few fuses(like fuses are a thing).... Also, wouldn't a torpedo launched from a slingshot have the same effect as a regular launched one? If so, no energy problems, they are just probably too hard to make
@@floppydisksareop Didn't they refer to DS9's reactors as fusion reactors? Not the same as a Warp Core. Torpedoes in Star Trek are a tricky thing. They were originally energy weapons until Wrath of Khan retconned them into physical warheads. The only ship we've seen that could launch Photons and Quantums from seemingly the same tube was the Defiant. Otherwise ships like the Enterprise-E had different dedicated tubes for the two. This presumes different requirements for the different torpedoes, even though the devices themselves are roughly the same size. I'm sure Federation starbases use matter-antimatter reactors, but that is not the same as a "Warp Core," as traveling at warp has much more drastic requirements than powering a starbase. That being said, the giant mushroom Federation starbases are MUCH MUCH larger than the rather flimsy Cardassian ring thing.
I love how you can come up with any alien cultural item in Star Trek by this formula: Nonsense Word + Common Earth Thing. "Roladan Wild Draw" "Klingon War Nog" "Fructonian Taco Salad" "Gablickite Reversible Comforter"
Enterprise was there in this episode but left before the wormhole was discovered (station was of no strategic value until then). Bigger question is why the 4 Galor class warships at the end of this clip didn't just seize the station now that they knew there was a valuable stable wormhole there. Maybe Dukat was too ashamed to try it after Sisko had just saved his ass.
Or because they've just lost a war and don't need the Federation starting one more over the control of the wormhole. If they had blasted DS9 for the missing ship, that would have been retaliation and would have been smoothed over by diplomats from both sides, as noone needed a war. You can't just smooth over lost territory as easily as a lost station which destroyed one of the opposing force's military vessel...
In the scenes after this, Picard himself said, "I suspect that the sight of their warship being towed by a Federation Runabout took their heart out of their fight".
A real bluff, but it just about worked... Also, given that O'Brien and Kira later have some mild attraction to each other, which they're understandably embarassed over, this scene feels almost like cheeky foreshadowing.
All the first time viewers were expecting the Enterprise to come back and save them...I remember I was. But nope, you don't need the Enterprise when you have The Sisko. 👊
I mean isn't that what's really creepy about Odo - he ISN'T liquid until he transforms? On the inside, while he's in human form, he's probably just a uniform spongey mass!
It's a Bajoran station, though. The federation just administers it. I can't imagine that with the Federation or the Bajorans would be keen on armed conflict before there had been a chance to fortify the station, especially in view of the importance of the newly discovered wormhole
Well, it wasn't a Federation Station. And they still had some apologizing to do thanks the acts of one rogue captain. Which the Cardassians took advantage of.
Because they were pansies; also Jassad claimed to be there because he believed Dukat's ship had been destroyed, which furnished the "provocation" to fire on them. It was much better once they had the "Defiant," because it didn't take hours or days for Starfleet to send a ship from over there to over here; if they had had the "Defiant" from the beginning, those 3 Cardassian ships would have thought twice.
Just what a great show! I probably comment that under a lot of these videos, but idc lol. It's worth saying after so many of these wonderful scenes. Also Thank you @April 5, 2063 Your clips led me to finally watch TNG and DS9, which in turn became 2 of my all-time favorite shows and helped me through a couple of rough years after my divorce. Keep doing what you do. Live Long and Prosper
And is completely different from the facial crests that Odan had in TNG. Supposedly because they wanted Terry Farrel to still look pretty. So they recycled the Kriosian spots.
@@amybrennan6972 Star Trek has ALWAYS been a mess of ret-cons and contradictions. They never could keep their lore straight. Got downright annoying at times. See the first appearance of the Cardassians? Totally weird looking.
@@amybrennan6972 There was another more practical reason for switching to stenciled spots over a forehead bump; Farrell's skin reacts poorly to prosthetics. It's the same reason Jadzia didn't take part in the Klingon infiltration in "Apocalypse Now".
Ds9 is pure brilliance. By far my favorite and i never even wanted to watch it i was so stuck on Tng thinking that nothing could top it or i wouldnt love the characters the same but i was completely wrong and glad i checked it out.
"I'm on my way" Wait... so theres an imminent attack and you're not at sick bay??? What, you thought sitting around on the bridge was too cool a possibility to pass up?
I remember back when I was a kid, MAD Magazine had a parody comic of DS9 that came out in the first season where the only shields the station had were window blinds. I always think of that whenever I see this scene lol
It's a small moment (and by no means perfectly delivered, this is the pilot after all) but I love when Doctor Bashir says to Odo "hold it there!“ Siddig manages to really get across the sense of" we're going to make this work because we've got no choice but to use whatever we've got right this second"
3:37 that's a Cardassian getting thrown by the blast. I'm not sure if that's a military uniform but that means the Cardassians were happy to fire on a space station with their own people on board.
Thoron fields and druanium shadow ghosts...sounds awfully familiar. Changeling Martok convinced Gawron that Starfleet would still be using the same poker face scare tactic years later.
I wonder if the bluff they used in this episode leaked out in the next couple years and became reasonably well-known in military/intelligence circles. Of course it could just be the writers making a reference with no in-universe meaning :)
I find it funny, O'Brien wasn't on the station that long and he's all over that Cardassian tech like he knows it back to front. I'd just once like to see a Starfleet officer with a service manual open flicking through some pages saying something like "Does anyone know what page the shield section is???"
@@jasonbriski5048 That ain't good writing at all, if anything it showed a lack of thought. It's a bit different being a war veteran and being an expert on enemy tech, he fought for the Federation, not the Cardassians. Like if they mentioned he did covert work on Cardassia or something like that it would be different, but he is just an ordinary Starfleet engineer. And even if he did know stuff about Cardassian tech, 10 years is a very long time in technology terms and one can become rusty very quickly if you're not around that tech all the time. It's totally different technology in a totally different branch of service. He's gone from premier cutting edge Federation flagship, to backwater barely operational mining station of a completely different species. It would be like having an American Iraq war veteran and then station him on an Iraqi oil rig and having him to know the systems inside and out just because he fought the Iraqis 10 years earlier. It doesn't make sense. Even in the same country and same job, if you change companies, unless they are using identical equipment to what you've been using, you need to re skill. Humans can't even go from driving automatic cars to manual cars without having to learn to use a clutch, and even that takes time! It's always been something that's bugged me on Star Trek, whenever they board an enemy ship or station, even if they've never encountered them before, they straight away know what buttons to push, and how to straight away find out the status of the systems, They can automatically read the language without any issues. Even on Star Trek 3 and 4 when they captured to Klingon Bird of Prey, they showed Scotty having some difficulty in figuring out the ships systems. O'brien went from different technology, different species, different system layout, different language without even so much as a hiccup. Like even if he had a laptop or tricorder to interface with the Cardassian systems, that would have been better, but no, he jumped straight in and Mary Sued it. I just don't find it believable from a human skill point of view.
@@Spacegoat92 Most tech would work on the same basic principles, and O'Brian likely did go over a manual when he got the assignment. He also likely had the help of Bajorans who were used to the tech.
As I recall the first and 2nd seasons showed O'Brien fighting with and rebuilding some portion of the stations systems almost every episode. I imagine by this point he DOES know it forward and back.
like how she said that then they finally do actually upgrade the station later to hold exactly those armaments and was used on the klings and they thought they didn't have them.
Once I got into DS9 I realised it's by far the best Star Trek Series. No, it wasn't what Gene envisioned with not everything being able to be settled with words and mutual respect. It was more "what would people be willing to do to protect those morals and people, what would people do when faced with people who don't accept those morals and view of the universe". Bajor was the best setting for it, The Dominion a bastardised enemy of the Federation and Gul Dukat being THE BEST written Star Trek villains yet (and honestly one of the best in TV history - he just isn't given the credit). The crew were also amazing. Seeing non-Federation crew work with Starfleet long term is also an underrated beauty. The almost (as Eddington said) insidious nature of Starfleet grow on Quark and the like was pretty cool.
1:41 I love they are foreshadowing their future defenses to the T on that station against the Jem'Hadar Fleet in season 4 refit :-)
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Imagine that kind of firepower reducing those 3 Cardassian warships to cosmic dust! Commence RAPID-FIRE with all weapons on full!!! Obliterate them where they stand, no survivors!!! This is payback for all of your victims on Bajor!!!
He was following the teachings of Doctor Leonard H. McCoy (Now Admiral). Always be on the bridge/command deck whenever possible and especially when there's trouble brewing.
*I dont get how they dont just fill a shuttle craft with photon torpedoes and launch it at even medium warp speed(faster than light!?)* _and have the warp field stop, and have no deflector and just not have any fields up, and it would crash into_ _the borg ship(or any ship!?) with an exponential amount of force/mass/velocity!!??_ 🧐🤔🤨🤷🏼
I mean yeah she did the whole bad ass standing up against all odds type thing... but she also lost her bluff. The Cardassian Gul wasn't stupid and called her bluff. Only thing that kept them from having to surrender the station (albeit briefly as Star Fleet wouldn't allow them to keep it) was Sisko coming back.
Major: "If you were dealing with a Starfleet Officer, they'd admit we have a hopeless cause here..." Picard: "If the cause is just and honourable...they are prepared to give their lives."
Seeing a Cardassian warship being pulled in a tractor beam by a small Federation shuttle really took the fight out of the 3 Cardassian warships attacking the station. One of the guys on the Cardassian ship at the tactical station must have been thinking "What kind of weapons and technology does the Federation have over us to disable one of our best warships with one of their shuttles?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣😎😎😎😎
"Bloody Cardassians!"
Scotty would've been proud :)
it's takes a whole different meaning when you know of the chiefs history with them
"I just got the damn thing fixed!"
We can't just let the Cardies HAVE the wormhole!!
Never change Chief, never change :;
"You don't think Starfleet took command of this space station... without the means to defend it, do you?"
Well... yes, knowing Starfleet, I'd say that's exactly what they did.
And it'll take 5 more years before they do too.
It's good to see American cost-efficiency over effectiveness is alive and well in the future. Or if you believe Starfleet evolved from the American military and political systems, American bureaucracy is alive and well.
Considering how incompetent star fleet is...
@@KnightRaymund 3. remember they fought of the Klingons in season 4.
Starfleet was optimistic,
It's funny, several years later when the Klingons attacked the station. General Martok told Gowron that Sisko was bluffing about the upgrades to the station and was using Thoron Fields and Duranium Shadows, just like Major Kira did in this episode. Only Sisko wasn't bluffing that time lol.
The Sisko never bluffs.
@@superzentredi What about the episode with the Romulan ambassador
that's *why* he never bluffs
@@Dafoodmaster Good point
I was going to make that reference but you beat me to it. Glory to you...and your HOUSE!
Good to see that this cardassian designed station incorporates large amounts of explodium in it's construction just like Starfleet.
O'Brian had to add the explodium after they took control. The station must meet Star Fleet regulation.
At least DS9 looks like it's meant to explode 😂
you guys complain about how they explode, it's better that they explode and leave only tiny amounts of debris, compared to massive spacehulks being built up all over the galaxy thanks to warp explosions, massive debris fields, and inhospitable empty ships
And rocks
The explodium is necessary to power plot devices like shields and warpcore ejection systems. It's like the Spice Melange but for Star trek technology.
Improvised shields, improvised phaser blast, and earlier in the episode, improvised impulse engines ! O'brian is quite the miracle worker :-)
Guy figured out how a transporter worked and then how to repair it and transport his buds out on the fly.
One of those Starfleet engineers who can turn rocks into replicators.
Just like Laforge and Scotty.
And he was stuck as a transporter operator in TNG!
@@keithwatson1384 well you gotta let a character develop. Laforge didn't start out as chief engineer.
Every Cardassian knows Kira is crazy.
This Cardassian must not have gotten the memo.
Dukat knows she's crazy...but he likes that about her.
@@tonsilsthecat3430 Garak knows she's crazy and keeps his distance from her pretty much at all times until the final arc.
Word of advice: Never ever play chicken with Kira.
Even the Federation -Starfleet knows that Kira is crazy. Section 31 probably recorded her notorius acts during the cardassian occupation of Bajor and Starfleet probably place her to be the second in command of DS9 after Sisko
@@cholodelrosari0543 You may be right. Section 31 is the Looney Asylum of StarFleet,which StarFleet doesn't have a record of (Yeah Right).
Kira would fit right in with Section 31 in her younger days but she's found a moral compass since working with Sisco,but she still has some THUGGERY in her if you set her off.
Lol love O'Brian. All that danger and might be get killed, he's just mad they broke the field generator he just fixed. Love the professionalism.
Scotty in Star Trek V: I just fixed that damned thing!
Chief O’Brien, the most important man in starfleet
Always liked that you could see the mutal respect between Kira and O'Brien start here.
They'd both been in very similar boats before, after all.
Always like the dynamic between Kira and Obrien in this sequence. They bounce off each other really nicely
They had very good chemistry through out the show
"The Fourth Order can be here in a day." "So can Starfleet!" Even the Cardassians feared the might of Starfleet
Yeah but knowing Starfleet, they only had one ship in the quadrant.
By this point, the cardassian are a minor power compared to starfleet. The federation barely called their conflict with them a war. So yeah, the cardassian aren't very keen on a starfleet response to their aggression rn.
You can tell O'Brien is from another show. He's the only character that doesn't have that two-dimensional essence most first season trek shows have.
Michael Dorn hit three ground running too.
@@Slopmaster true but the rest of the characters had already been built up by then so they could have carried him. Just like Jeri Ryan was a new entry into Voyager and the rest of the crew managed to help out the character development.
"Your space station could not defend itself against *one* Cardassian warship!" Then why did you just accuse them of "somehow" destroying one? :)
Because cardassians are not the smartest plasma tools in the quadrant.
That's a great question. I wish Kira had asked them THAT.
That might have weakened her position and shown weakness. If the Star Trek Novel Emissary, they created the illusion of the station having a large weapons arsenal and Jasad's lieutenant was worried they actually had the weapons!
@@gerardfogarty-law6526 that is what happened in this scene, too .... but it still doesn't explain how they thought the station couldn't defend itself against Gul Dukat's ONE warship .... but the THREE warships were there accusing the station of destroying that ONE warship.
the more I think of it .... the less sense they're making 🤣
David Hinton Just using that as an excuse?
Imagine what would have happened to those ships if the station had the season 4 refit :-)
The scene would last about 23 seconds, 19 of which would be the weapons extending from the structure.
If this battle was during the dominion era, ds9 would have obliterated those cardassians ships.
Andrew Thorne not very much would've happened to them
All three ships would be debris before Sisko and Dukat showed up.
Best case the first 2 ships destroyed and 3rd retreat s tail between their legs . saying the bajorans are now armed to the teeth and crazy leave them alone poor jazod would become captain of garbage freighter
I forgot this was the first episode. Kira really started badass out of the gate.
BlazingOwnager not really, she's just being normal
rollerblading geek for Kira badass is her normal state
Ariaflame not really
Kira's badass is normal.
She was unusually tough and aggressive for a character on the side of the good guys. When I first saw DS9 when I was about 10, it felt like when you go down a flight of stairs and you miss a step, after TNG where everyone always gets along. I came to appreciate her character and the reasons for it much more as I grew up.
I never understood why the Cardassians withdrew only to come back and why Starfleet didn't leave a ship at the station until they could upgrade the weapons systems.
Daniel O'Donovan Because the Plot demanded it that way.
Well, their diplomat went missing, so they responded by sending in a small squadron. As for not leaving a ship, that was just dense.
Daniel O'Donovan Plot convenience.
I think maybe the Enterprise was supposed to be there longer but got called away on an emergency. It's been over 25 years since I've seen this episode, so I can't recall.
Because that would be a pretty boring story. WE WANT DRAMA BABY!
And 5 years later this broken husk of a station held it's ground against a fleet of Jem'Hadar warships.
And 3 years later, took on a whole Klingon Fleet.
DS9 started with just 6 photons to actually having 5,000 of them.
"Now, witness the firepower of this fully armed, and operational BATTLE STATION!"
Kind of like Voyager. Started with limited torpedoes and shuttles, ended up with unlimited numbers.
@@homiedclown In DS9's case it was a refit for the Dominion war.
@@homiedclown Ugh. I keep wondering if Voyager simply manufactured new photon torpedoes, what with how often they used the damn things.
That and unlimited shuttles. I swear they blew one up every episode!
@@danielharvison7510 they made whole new delta flyer abord so making much smaller shuttles shouldn't be a problem
I love DS9. It doesn't get the respect it deserves.
It's FINALLY getting it!!! It's overdue, but I'm happy many Trek fans are have been giving DS9 the kudos it deserves for several years now. That's why there's a big push to take the series to HD. Check it out: th-cam.com/video/UKLsGlQ3CHE/w-d-xo.html
That is because that DS 9 stories were character driven. Not plot and action driven.
@@jamescarter5042 It was plot and action driven as well as character driven what on earth are you talking about?
@@ctcentralinfo The Trek fansI have talked say, that stories on a space station is not as adventurous as star ships exploring new planets and new galaxies.
ummm yes it did.
Imagine occupying Bajor for half a century and never finding the wormhole. Even accidentally. Imagine being that inept.
In "defense" of the Cardassians, space, even a tiny segment of it within a star system, is vast and I'm pretty sure the prophets just didn't want to be found.
The Prophets revealed themselves only when their Offspring, The Sisko got near the wormhole.
Yeah, you're not wrong there, but the Cardassians were very interested in the Orbs, and a brief archive search and sensor sweep would have put them on exactly the same path Dax was on when she found the wormhole. If you think about it they really should have found it. And they would be seething after learning the Federation found it a few days after taking custody of the station. On a more humorous note, imagine responding to a conversation thread a year later! Imagine being that inept!...😂
"What changed her mind?"
"I did. I told her she'd be risking us pulling out of the treaty."
"And what changed your mind?"
"You did......... remind never to play poker with you."
-Kira and Ross, later in the timeline.
R.I.P. René Auberjonois!!!
Rest easy Nog.
Rene played Odo, not Nog. He was also House in New Vegas, so you better not lose the platinum chip!
@@pt8306 The actor who played Nog: Aaron Eisenberg also unfortunately passed away a while back
I dunno what Rolodan Wild Draw is ..... but I'm not playing Texas Hold'Em poker with Kira Nerys, neither.
lol probably their version of Texas Poker ..... only with phaser rifles involved for any losers XD
Roladan Wild Draw was a game, similar to Earth's poker, which involved heavy bluffing. thats all memory alpha says
At least the dialogue leaves you wondering
A lot of writers just took human games and added a foreign adjective like “Bolian chess”, like that’s somehow supposed to be intriguing to ms
@@jasonb.6623 this is true.
David Hinton of course aren't deary because she doesn't exist
Ah, how I miss DS9. I think I love it better than any of the other series so far. Not because I’m saying it’s better (but I am, lol) but because I watched it at a time in my life when it needed to be there. And I’ve always appreciated that. And that it IS the best Star Trek series ever!
Enterprise and voyager are way better in my opinion. But I think we can all agree that DS9 is fantastic
I loved star trek the next generation. But I fell in love with Voyager!
Voyager is my favorite
Admiral Ross says almost the same in season 7. "Remind me never to play poker with u."
Yeah ..... the Romulans tried it too. lol
But obrian knew the most bout kira's culture due to roe
1:16 Miles: whoa .... someone who hates the Cardassians more than me. lol
Big 'ol contrast to Worf and Kira's response to Sisko losing his shit over the Maqui's biogenic weapons
Like, seriously, this show was just one Last Stand scene after another for seven years
@@tzvikrasner6073 what Benjamin did to the Maquis (and Michael Eddington, specifically) was more like something that a Bajoran fighter would have done during the Cardassian Occupation ... that's why Kira wasn't expecting it. and Worf ... I was surprised he was stunned cuz he's done a lot worse. I mean ... he killed Duras under Klingon tradition on a Klingon ship AND almost killed his brother on DS9 🤣🤣🤣
But, I don't think either expected Benjamin to actually do it. Hell, Jadzia was surprised .... and she's known Benjamin longer than anyone BY FAR.
@@dhinton1 It was a massive bluff on Sisko's part, and it was done to play upon and exploit Eddington's one weakness, his desire to be the hero in his own story. If Sisko was going to truly be ruthless, he would have fired the torpedoes AT the colony and wiped it out, rather than on the opposite side of the planet to give them a chance to evacuate. Worf, Kira and Dax were shocked because none of them had ever seen Sisko go to this level to defeat an enemy, and at the time none of them knew he was bluffing, and whether or not he was actually going to take out every Maquis settlement as he threatened to do. Not even Dax who has known him the longest.
And this comes back as a reference in Way of the Warrior when Changling Martok scoffed at the upgrades DS9 had for the Dominion.
Except in that case it was anything *but* an illusion.
@@Orca19904 Those poor BoPs...
"Cleared for Pad C. I think that one's still intact. Mind the fire."
"If you want a war I'll give u one". Love that line from major Kira
And the seriousness she did it with, love it
Me too, and it is a very smart move - The Cardassians may be able to defeat the defenses of the station, but do they really want another full-on war with Starfleet? Kira is using politics as well as her station's defenses as a strategy to stand them off.
Great to see Morn there, right from the beginning.
He almost wasn't, at least not with the actor we know plays him.
Talking everyone's ear off as usual!
@@TheYopogo He's the biggest motormouth in the entire galaxy.
@@Orca19904 and people always say how annoying a character Neelix is, he's got nothing on Morn.
@@sanityisrelative Now there's a scary thought; Neelix and Morn meeting at Quark's bar...
*Jasad sees the wormhole he insisted didn't exist*
Bugger.....
*Jasad sees one of their mighty warships being towed by an oversized Starfleet shuttlecraft*
Double bugger.....
Gul JAsad*
*Gul Dukat's ship accidentally catches fire while Dukat sings Three Times a Lady"*
Dukat: OH THE HUMANITY!
Clearly that Cardassian did not have the authority to begin a war until he called home for clearance from a higher authority.
I really love Nana Vistor's delivery of that line "But im just a Bajoran!" Something feels sickly sweet about it.
This highlights why chess and poker can be great games to play for most people.
Chess enables the players to see and anticipate the enemies movements while poker gives the players the ability to train wit, tact and gain the infamous "poker face".
A combo like that is what gives captains the skills needed to communicate with enemies with poker faces.
"Ok it says here 6 torpedoes to be unloaded"
"Doesn't it say 60?....."
"Nah I reckon that's a full stop"
"Why would it be there?"
"Dunno...."
"Ok well 2 in each launcher?"
"Nah put all 6 in one, that's the side anyone would attack from......"
The tractor beams on the Runabouts are actually surprisingly powerful. A Galor-class starship is like 40x the size of a runabout.
Tractor beams? What about the engines on the runabout having 40x the thrust that they need?
@@stargazer7644 Considering the fact that the runabouts are actually Danube-class starships, it kinda makes sense they'd have proper engines.
I imagine it's like tug boats?
The reason I say the tractor beams instead of the engines is because the inertial dampeners. The engines are going to give an certain amount of thrust. Adding the extra mass of the Galor-class starship would slow them down, but would still be possible even with weak engines. Usually the force of the engines is spread out across the entire ship because of the dampeners. The tractor beam, however, needs to be strong enough to pull whatever the force needed is through one tiny emitter.
@@stargazer7644 do you understand how space works ? Clearly not
I would have loved to have heard Dukat's message to the other Cardassian's. It would have been fun to see him rip them a new one.
Admiral Ross said the same to Colonel Kira after the Romulan Warbirds had withdrawn from Derna in "Shadows and Symbols". Yet another excellent case of DS9's use of continuity. ::-)
And changeling-Martok also suspected Thoron fields and Duranium shadows in "The Way of the Warrior" but this time, DS9 did have 5000 photon torpedoes.
@@FekLeyrTarg I always wished DS9 has Quantum Torpedos. 5000 of those would make short work of an enemy fleet.
@@NotContinuum I would imagine the power output required for Quantum torpedoes would have been more than the station could handle. Pound for Pound, a starship has far greater energy output because of its Warp Core. Without a warp drive, a space station would require far less, which then comes at a cost for such weapons. ESPECIALLY if you have to power a much more massive collection of phaser arrays.
@@k1productions87 they use the same antimatter reactor as far as i know, but DS9 being an unholy mismatch of Bajoran, Federation and Cardassian technology and also originally a mining station, probably didn't have conduits strong enough to operate any stronger armaments without frying a few fuses(like fuses are a thing).... Also, wouldn't a torpedo launched from a slingshot have the same effect as a regular launched one? If so, no energy problems, they are just probably too hard to make
@@floppydisksareop Didn't they refer to DS9's reactors as fusion reactors? Not the same as a Warp Core. Torpedoes in Star Trek are a tricky thing. They were originally energy weapons until Wrath of Khan retconned them into physical warheads. The only ship we've seen that could launch Photons and Quantums from seemingly the same tube was the Defiant. Otherwise ships like the Enterprise-E had different dedicated tubes for the two. This presumes different requirements for the different torpedoes, even though the devices themselves are roughly the same size.
I'm sure Federation starbases use matter-antimatter reactors, but that is not the same as a "Warp Core," as traveling at warp has much more drastic requirements than powering a starbase.
That being said, the giant mushroom Federation starbases are MUCH MUCH larger than the rather flimsy Cardassian ring thing.
Does Morn have to ham it up in every scene he is in?
I swear the guy just does not know how to shut up!
Most annoying character in all of Trek. If I hear one more of his long winded stories I'll scream.
Yes.
They were originally going to get Tom Selleck for the part, but he didn't mug the camera nearly as much as Morn.
He doesn't talk u oxymorons
0:10 I swear Miles had a "she has stones" smirk on his face as he executed Kira's order 🤣🤣🤣
Ive always believed Miles had feelings for Kira.
@@jessicare5331 I think it was more of a mutual respect due to their mutual dislike of Cardassians.
O'Brien: 😏
@@dhinton1 Yes, Miles is into Asian women.
Ooh, that Kira was so fine!! Gots me excited with all that commanding and givin' orders and thing!
This is why I loved Kira Nerys. Bold, brassy and beautiful. Just how I like 'em.
Nana Visitor was quite the attractive woman...
I love how you can come up with any alien cultural item in Star Trek by this formula: Nonsense Word + Common Earth Thing. "Roladan Wild Draw" "Klingon War Nog" "Fructonian Taco Salad" "Gablickite Reversible Comforter"
I always figured it was just how the UTs worked with "Wild Draw" being a Bajorian card game the translators used the term for.
Enterprise was there in this episode but left before the wormhole was discovered (station was of no strategic value until then). Bigger question is why the 4 Galor class warships at the end of this clip didn't just seize the station now that they knew there was a valuable stable wormhole there. Maybe Dukat was too ashamed to try it after Sisko had just saved his ass.
Or because they've just lost a war and don't need the Federation starting one more over the control of the wormhole. If they had blasted DS9 for the missing ship, that would have been retaliation and would have been smoothed over by diplomats from both sides, as noone needed a war. You can't just smooth over lost territory as easily as a lost station which destroyed one of the opposing force's military vessel...
In the scenes after this, Picard himself said, "I suspect that the sight of their warship being towed by a Federation
Runabout took their heart out of their fight".
Upgrades to weapons won't happen till Tuesday.
If I were Quark, I would be afraid to gamble against the Major.
He is.
He is terrified of Kira.
Oh, he is. He backs down quite a bit.
A real bluff, but it just about worked...
Also, given that O'Brien and Kira later have some mild attraction to each other, which they're understandably embarassed over, this scene feels almost like cheeky foreshadowing.
All the first time viewers were expecting the Enterprise to come back and save them...I remember I was. But nope, you don't need the Enterprise when you have The Sisko. 👊
4:20 See look Odo, We're liquid on the inside, just like you.
I mean isn't that what's really creepy about Odo - he ISN'T liquid until he transforms? On the inside, while he's in human form, he's probably just a uniform spongey mass!
I cant understand how the Federation didn't act on this aggression, as firing on a federation station is an act of war.
It's a Bajoran station, though. The federation just administers it. I can't imagine that with the Federation or the Bajorans would be keen on armed conflict before there had been a chance to fortify the station, especially in view of the importance of the newly discovered wormhole
This was still the TNG utopia era. The Federation did not learn to stand up for itself until the Dominion war, and then it was almost too late.
Well, it wasn't a Federation Station. And they still had some apologizing to do thanks the acts of one rogue captain.
Which the Cardassians took advantage of.
The Cardassians would have claimed Dusan was acting without athourization
Because they were pansies; also Jassad claimed to be there because he believed Dukat's ship had been destroyed, which furnished the "provocation" to fire on them. It was much better once they had the "Defiant," because it didn't take hours or days for Starfleet to send a ship from over there to over here; if they had had the "Defiant" from the beginning, those 3 Cardassian ships would have thought twice.
I like how Cisco’s in a round lit up circle viewer. It’s like he is doing his “Instagram Story “ for the day.
Man every character is just perfect. Every actor/actress are casted perfectly. Ds9 is great
I can’t help but admire Major Kira. Beautiful, feisty and brave 😍🥵
"What did I tell you Jasad? THERE'S YOUR FUCKING WORMHOLE!"
It wasn't said, but you could definitely hear it.
@@jeremylemings it was said, just not with words
They really need to stop installing explosives in those consoles.
*I love the concept of a space station in this universe!* _The concept of a static Outpost instead of a wondering ship!?_
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Just what a great show!
I probably comment that under a lot of these videos, but idc lol. It's worth saying after so many of these wonderful scenes. Also Thank you @April 5, 2063 Your clips led me to finally watch TNG and DS9, which in turn became 2 of my all-time favorite shows and helped me through a couple of rough years after my divorce. Keep doing what you do. Live Long and Prosper
It's amazing how the "spots" for Jadzia's Trill heritage just appeared later on in DS9. lol
maybe it's like a tan
And is completely different from the facial crests that Odan had in TNG. Supposedly because they wanted Terry Farrel to still look pretty. So they recycled the Kriosian spots.
@@amybrennan6972 Star Trek has ALWAYS been a mess of ret-cons and contradictions. They never could keep their lore straight. Got downright annoying at times.
See the first appearance of the Cardassians? Totally weird looking.
Humans aren't the only species who wear makeup. Some days Trills show their spots, other days they go for a more natural look.
@@amybrennan6972
There was another more practical reason for switching to stenciled spots over a forehead bump; Farrell's skin reacts poorly to prosthetics. It's the same reason Jadzia didn't take part in the Klingon infiltration in "Apocalypse Now".
Ds9 is pure brilliance. By far my favorite and i never even wanted to watch it i was so stuck on Tng thinking that nothing could top it or i wouldnt love the characters the same but i was completely wrong and glad i checked it out.
"I'm on my way"
Wait... so theres an imminent attack and you're not at sick bay??? What, you thought sitting around on the bridge was too cool a possibility to pass up?
I bet it was fun being an extra that blew up lol
The fun you can have with a trampoline and a flour squib.
probably as much fun as doing one of your ques.. here, i'll mark it on your map
I remember back when I was a kid, MAD Magazine had a parody comic of DS9 that came out in the first season where the only shields the station had were window blinds. I always think of that whenever I see this scene lol
I still get goosebumps when the wormhole opens in this scene.
Beautiful effect they created. Glad they put some effort into it given how much you see it :)
This was one of my favorite moments
You could definitely tell this was a pilot episode, different hair styles and make up.
Sometimes I wish Gul Jasad had been a recurring character like Dukat, Garak and Damar.
It's a small moment (and by no means perfectly delivered, this is the pilot after all) but I love when Doctor Bashir says to Odo "hold it there!“ Siddig manages to really get across the sense of" we're going to make this work because we've got no choice but to use whatever we've got right this second"
3:37 that's a Cardassian getting thrown by the blast. I'm not sure if that's a military uniform but that means the Cardassians were happy to fire on a space station with their own people on board.
Could have been Garak. In which case, yes they wouldn't have minded at all.
I loved The Emissary.
Nicholas Dickens I loved Odo from the start.
DS9 is the my second favourite Trek series 😉
Kira Nerys, pretty much my favourite character in Trek. Badass from day one.
She's amazing!
Thoron fields and druanium shadow ghosts...sounds awfully familiar. Changeling Martok convinced Gawron that Starfleet would still be using the same poker face scare tactic years later.
I wonder if the bluff they used in this episode leaked out in the next couple years and became reasonably well-known in military/intelligence circles. Of course it could just be the writers making a reference with no in-universe meaning :)
Except in that case, it was not an illusion
Are those consoles made of explodium?!
Yes. And seatbelts and hand rails are illegal. - Welcome to the future 😊
@@seanb.6793 Oooh that's right, they got rid of all the lawyers in the Great Purge of 2231.
Starfleet standard issue, why?
@@beowolf83 They also stash there fireworks there.
The Circuit breaker is a lost technology
I find it funny, O'Brien wasn't on the station that long and he's all over that Cardassian tech like he knows it back to front. I'd just once like to see a Starfleet officer with a service manual open flicking through some pages saying something like "Does anyone know what page the shield section is???"
@@jasonbriski5048 That ain't good writing at all, if anything it showed a lack of thought. It's a bit different being a war veteran and being an expert on enemy tech, he fought for the Federation, not the Cardassians. Like if they mentioned he did covert work on Cardassia or something like that it would be different, but he is just an ordinary Starfleet engineer. And even if he did know stuff about Cardassian tech, 10 years is a very long time in technology terms and one can become rusty very quickly if you're not around that tech all the time.
It's totally different technology in a totally different branch of service. He's gone from premier cutting edge Federation flagship, to backwater barely operational mining station of a completely different species. It would be like having an American Iraq war veteran and then station him on an Iraqi oil rig and having him to know the systems inside and out just because he fought the Iraqis 10 years earlier. It doesn't make sense. Even in the same country and same job, if you change companies, unless they are using identical equipment to what you've been using, you need to re skill. Humans can't even go from driving automatic cars to manual cars without having to learn to use a clutch, and even that takes time!
It's always been something that's bugged me on Star Trek, whenever they board an enemy ship or station, even if they've never encountered them before, they straight away know what buttons to push, and how to straight away find out the status of the systems, They can automatically read the language without any issues. Even on Star Trek 3 and 4 when they captured to Klingon Bird of Prey, they showed Scotty having some difficulty in figuring out the ships systems. O'brien went from different technology, different species, different system layout, different language without even so much as a hiccup. Like even if he had a laptop or tricorder to interface with the Cardassian systems, that would have been better, but no, he jumped straight in and Mary Sued it. I just don't find it believable from a human skill point of view.
@@Spacegoat92 Most tech would work on the same basic principles, and O'Brian likely did go over a manual when he got the assignment. He also likely had the help of Bajorans who were used to the tech.
@@Janoha17 Same thing happened when Tom Paris was kidnapped by Seska on Voyager. He knew exactly how to use the computers on the Kazon ship!
If he couldn’t learn and adapt/problem solve different types of alien tech...he wouldn’t be chief engineer.
As I recall the first and 2nd seasons showed O'Brien fighting with and rebuilding some portion of the stations systems almost every episode. I imagine by this point he DOES know it forward and back.
like how she said that then they finally do actually upgrade the station later to hold exactly those armaments and was used on the klings and they thought they didn't have them.
3:54 (shouting) "HAVE YOU SEEN THAT DOCTOR OF YOURS ANYWHERE??!"
@Dr. M. H. Also, a hint that Bashir is more than just a goofball who plays at being a ladies' man. He's actually quite competent as a doctor.
5:10 Jadzia: Major, I'm picking up a huge neutrino disturbance fifteen kilometres off the forward docking ring. It's the wormhole.
You, bloody Cardissian, You killed my station!
Gul Jasad was hands down the best portrayal of a Cardassian in the entire series
i miss these days
Even the DS9 bulkheads are filled with ROCKS!!!
And this line was recycled into the pine star trek movie, in the scene where sulu sat on the captain's chair....
Once I got into DS9 I realised it's by far the best Star Trek Series. No, it wasn't what Gene envisioned with not everything being able to be settled with words and mutual respect. It was more "what would people be willing to do to protect those morals and people, what would people do when faced with people who don't accept those morals and view of the universe". Bajor was the best setting for it, The Dominion a bastardised enemy of the Federation and Gul Dukat being THE BEST written Star Trek villains yet (and honestly one of the best in TV history - he just isn't given the credit).
The crew were also amazing. Seeing non-Federation crew work with Starfleet long term is also an underrated beauty. The almost (as Eddington said) insidious nature of Starfleet grow on Quark and the like was pretty cool.
I’m glad!
1:41 I love they are foreshadowing their future defenses to the T on that station against the Jem'Hadar Fleet in season 4 refit :-)
Imagine that kind of firepower reducing those 3 Cardassian warships to cosmic dust! Commence RAPID-FIRE with all weapons on full!!! Obliterate them where they stand, no survivors!!! This is payback for all of your victims on Bajor!!!
Major Kira sure knows how to bluff.
That time when DS9 re-enacted the Cuban missile crisis
I don't get why Dr Bashir wasn't in the infirmary?
He was following the teachings of Doctor Leonard H. McCoy (Now Admiral). Always be on the bridge/command deck whenever possible and especially when there's trouble brewing.
When ever is a doctor near the patients? Was just in the hospital for 3 days. Saw 3 quick doctors the whole time...
I did wonder that myself.
He was too busy lusting after jadzia dax as usual.
Starfleet had just taken over and DS9 only had a skeleton crew at this point. Everyone was likely doubling and tripling down on jobs and tasks.
*I dont get how they dont just fill a shuttle craft with photon torpedoes and launch it at even medium warp speed(faster than light!?)*
_and have the warp field stop, and have no deflector and just not have any fields up, and it would crash into_ _the borg ship(or any ship!?) with an exponential amount of force/mass/velocity!!??_
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Fuel conduit on the Promenade? That's some sound design logic there.
It was a mining station, not a luxury yacht.
They spent the better part of three years overhauling the station's defense and power distribution lines.
Well, it was a Cardassian station, not a Federation one.
I mean how else are you planning to get fuel to the Promenade?
Given how poorly Cardassian engineering was (70 percent was considered acceptable reactor output) thus doesn't surprise me at all.
Has there been an episode where Miles and Kira discussed their shared experience fighting the Cardassians?
Not if I remember correctly. There are episodes where they both reference their experiences, but I don't think to each other.
It's too bad they front-loaded Kira's most badass moment in the whole show. But damn if it isn't a good one.
The Cardassian captain is really thinking it over by 01.12.
I love deep space 9
I mean yeah she did the whole bad ass standing up against all odds type thing... but she also lost her bluff. The Cardassian Gul wasn't stupid and called her bluff. Only thing that kept them from having to surrender the station (albeit briefly as Star Fleet wouldn't allow them to keep it) was Sisko coming back.
What's the other option?
Major: "If you were dealing with a Starfleet Officer, they'd admit we have a hopeless cause here..."
Picard: "If the cause is just and honourable...they are prepared to give their lives."
Clearly that Cardassian has never encountered something as scary as a woman's wrath
"That was an amazing bluff."
"What bluff?"
Seeing a Cardassian warship being pulled in a tractor beam by a small Federation shuttle really took the fight out of the 3 Cardassian warships attacking the station.
One of the guys on the Cardassian ship at the tactical station must have been thinking "What kind of weapons and technology does the Federation have over us to disable one of our best warships with one of their shuttles?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣😎😎😎😎
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