I run 1200 dpi, with an ingame sense of 6 with 1 ads. I played alot of apex legends and used a sensitivity calculator to convert my apex settings to destiny. My god did my aim improve after a few weeks of playing apex dropping into skull town. If you dont want to move your arm across the whole desk to aim id recommend these settings. Also, If you prefer higher DPI you want a heavier mouse and if you like low dpi you want a lighter mouse.
I love that you take money into consideration when talking about hardware and don’t recommend a bunch of stuff we can’t afford, I’m sure I’m not alone in wanting to see your whole set up and help us with buying/building a PC
unwindingstar 9 the problem is.....in the PC world.....their really isn’t a standard “one size will fit all games”. Virtually EVERY game will have different performance requirements built on different game engines. The good news is that excellent performance from a game does NOT have to be tied to a $1000 nVidia 2080 Ti graphics card and TBH all PC games have a low, medium, high general settings type menus and even when set to “low” most people will not see THAT MUCH of a difference in graphics quality. bottom line is even much cheaper hardware should be able to let you play the latest games in beautiful quality albeit not the highest advertised. D2 is really good about not being a resource hog and should be easy to get over 60 FPS without losing graphics quality at all. But do realize that in a game like Metro Exodus for instance....you are never going to get the latest Ray tracing and the absolute crem de la crem graphics without a VERY expensive card. You get what you pay for is VERY evident in the PC world
Just stop being lazy and do research yourself these a ton of budget vids and just wait for a sale like Black Friday or cyber Monday so you can save more money but a decent rig runs you about $700 which is about less that you spend on owning a PS4
I’m gonna warm you guys who are Crucible warriors on console who are planning on switching. Your play style will HAVE to change. Sniping is 100x more effective so you will have to learn not to peek without being prepared. There are some human aimbots over here.
BurningBeard22 I’ve only encountered one cheater on PC ever after ~1.5k hours. This was also in the first month after launch. Battle.net’s anti-cheat is really good.
The best feeling when you play PC shooters is one day where it all just clicks. You start hitting shots you used to miss, and being overall better at the game. I picked up a sniper for the first time since season 4 and it all just made sense. I wasnt top scoring, but I wasnt doing as NEARLY as bad with a snipe as i used to do, and I felt like I was genuinely progressing as a player
When Aztecross had 60k two years ago, and posted a vid with Mrs. Aztecross, that’s when I subbed and prayed to the dear god that this good man gets more subs to what amazing and well made contenting he’s posting. Now he’s on +300k and I just can’t stop these tears not dropping. A random fan is genuinely proud of you good man.
it was worse for me when i played D2 and warframe on PC! dont feel that way when using a controller, specifically a ps4 one, but the minute i try mouse and keyboard , i started hurling up a storm after a while!
I had issues when I started playing on PC in 2014 with the higher framerate (gave me headaches) but now play comfortably at 144 fps. Console framerate bugs me so much now because its seems like its just stuttering constantly.
When I moved to PC, it was another world. For every game. Being able to play a game at 1440p, 130+ frames with little to no drops is amazing. It's even crazier when I play my comp games on the 1080p 240Hz monitor. RTX 2080ti and i9-99K.
Just discovered your channel but man you’re already one of my favorite TH-camrs. Honest, try to remove bias, open-minded and just overall a good-natured dude. We need more like you. Thank you! Feel much better making the transition now too.
As a dedicated PC player who hasn't played on a console in years, I can appreciate more people moving to PC. Although, it seems like a lot of players on PC still use controllers, which I understand to a degree. But it still saddens me because they're missing out on the PC meta. The thing about switching to PC is that you only have to get used to it once. Switching back to consoles after taking even a short break will require you to adjust to the vastly slower pace.
Zain Akhtar if you want the max for the min price, you should build your own. It’s not that hard and allows for a fair bit of customization. Or you could create one for a company to produce if you’re uncomfortable putting one together, but that will cost more
@@nates_fate0885 thanks, I dont mind building my own, but I dont know much about PC's in general. I'm gonna need to do a lot of research and learn about the components
I bought one a friend built for 600. Amd 580 8gbs RX 2700x Msi 370x motherboard 16 gbs 2300 ram Im not super computer savy so.... but Destiny looks pretty good on it for an entry point.
This is one of the most helpful videos of them all, not only on hardware tips, also on tips that would actually help me for the transition to M&K. Thanks man, I'm even more excited now!
Everything you said I related to so well. From getting frustrated about the movement, my brain could not keep up with amount of things that I had to do. I probably looked at the button mapping screen 15 times in 10 mins. Thank you so much for giving these tips.
Just switched to PC last week... this helped confirm a few things I already knew I needed, like patience, but it was just wild hearing an old Cross video haha
Good advice Cross! When I went from playing R6 Siege on the Xbox to PC, I definitely had a rude awakening when I hopped into a match expecting my aim to automatically be better.
I have been part of pc master race for decades now.. it even I gotta say... what a great video... amazing job. Aztec just has a great way of explaining things
Thanks for making this video, I _bet_ this will help a lot of people who are making the switch to PC. I'm excited to meet some newcomers. Always happy to see the PC gaming community grow
Man did I need this. I've been on console since Atari, literally. What an adjustment! My fingers don't do what I want, mouse doesn't go where I want and I find myself getting up to take a break often but I'm committed. I've look at my Scuf a few times but resisted. The struggle is real. Thanks AC
Rainbow is trash. UI sucks, new maps suck, community complains about everything, takes 15 minutes to find a match, competitive is a joke, no team killing.
Made the switch to pc in 2008, good tips all around! Especially the one about switching games up, when I started learning a low dpi+ large mouse-mat setup it was easy to get frustrated.
Dont bother with dpi! Set one, adjust in game. Train your muscle memory. And be consistent with sens. Fixed distance on mouse pad to do a 360. //Oldest fps gamer in the world. 🤣
There are technical reasons why you don’t want a DPI that’s too low. You can frame skip depending on your ingame sensitivity. There’s a calculator for frame skipping too see whether or not it will occur.
agreed. i personally have it so i can place my mouse in the middle of the mat and do a 360 in either direction so if i go from one side to the other i can do a 720. and i always have ads sensitivity multiplier as 1 so you pick up muscle memory quicker
@Nelson Nguyen i prefer 1:1. keeps everything consistent no matter the scope magnification or game. 10x zoom scope requires the same hands eye coordination as a 1x so your shots are always on point
@@saxboss1 Its not 1998 anymore. But if you get "pixelskipping" on a mouse from 2019 from any well known manufacturer you need rma that. 🤣 Or calibrate lift off distance. I wont argue though. Im a old fart with to many mice. Im at 800 dpi since early 2001 And I have always used 45-50cm for a 360. I have these mice atm: Glorious Model 0. Side buttons are absolute rubbish. Logitech G Pro wireless. Pretty decent. A bit narrow for me. Logitech G502 Hero wireless. Just because I have the original no RGB space ship. 🤣 Use it for stuff other than gaming. Logitech G403 first one from 2016 and a G703. This is my favorite shape. Dont like the glossy side buttons though. Razer Viper. A bit meh. To small basically. Razer Mamba Elite close to G403 in shape. Very nice side buttons. Razer Basilisk. A G502 clone (by shape) with less weight. Works fine for everything. Steelseries Rival 310. Good. Very good. None of these have issues with low bor mid dpi settings. 400/800. And as RJN says. There is NO perfect mouse. GG!
@@saxboss1 btw, there is a small problem with Destiny 2. It doesn't use mouse raw so if you have changed Windows sens to somerhing other than standard 6/11, you may actually experience jitter and inconsistent behaviour from your mouse.
Solid shit. I thought I knew how to play PC gaming but one of my friend moved to PC from console and he helped me learn a lot to perfect my aim. You never can be too good to not learn a more each day. Solid vid about the transition.
Neon Lizard yeah, continue to lie to yourself 🤷🏻♂️😂 www.google.ca/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/01/17/xbox-players-are-better-at-gaming-than-ps4-and-pc-owners-survey/amp/
Thanks, really needed this video. I was about to throw my keyboard at the wall, but your last tip made me realize that you can't just run in and expect to be amazing. Even YOU had to train to get better. Thanks for this video.
Protip - you will run into people on PC that feel like they have an aimbot on. Your brain goes "there is no possible way he made that shot". But they do. Again, and again. It has happened to me many times. They do not have an aimbot on - M&K just has that high of a skill ceiling. Don't get frustrated, be patient. Also, yeah about the flanking. You'd better get crafty or you're going to come around a corner with a Mindbender's staring you in the face.
I switched to pc in May and Destiny 2 was my training wheels. Perfect game with all the pve and pvp to practice with. I found 1200dpi 4 sence and 0.9 ads was my sweet spot. Great tips man 👍
You know, being a long time subscriber, it's really cool to see you progressing your skills and whatnot. I remember a year and ago you made a video and talked about m&k vs controller, but you weren't into pc gaming at the time. It's really cool to compare what you said back then to what you're saying now. :)
Fun tip about equipment... One of the cheapest and best things people tend to over look is there mouse pad/mat... Material , shape, size and firmness plays a huge part in how your mouse acts... A smoother slippery pad and a heavy mouse glides like it's on skates Light mouse and slippery pad can snappy and responsive A lighter mouse on a padded mouse pad can be easier to stop... Heavy mouse and a padded pad can allow for very fine movements with out over running... Point being... If you don't like how your mouse is acting many times it not the mouse and it's the pad it's sitting on
Its good to see this because I converted to PC back when PS4 came out. I also went through these growing pains of PC, but also now i will never use a controller again (aside from Nintendo) . I am glad to see you make a video like this because I love seeing people convert over to pc because that just grows the player base for this platform.
I switched over to PC in about last July and I still occasionally come back to this video specifically for the segment that starts at about 9:10, I use it for motivation when I feel like my aim isn't so great.
I agree with you. Not to shit on console players, because they have a fair share of beasts too. However, someone who put in $2k on a gaming PC will use it rigorously. I think PC Gamers are more "serious" in a sense, about gaming.
Longtime watcher, first time commenting. I'm genuinely thankful for this video. Dealing with the mouse and keyboard transition has been rather frustrating, precisely because of the reasons you listed--ESPECIALLY the kind of disconnect between what I know I've done/am capable of doing/should be seeing based on my inputs and timing and the actuality of what I'm doing on screen at the moment, be it in PvE or PvP. I'm definitely motivated not to lean too heavily on the controller as a crutch after watching this. Thanks.
You can use a controller and be fine. Unless you're in the top .5% of players you can slay out with a controller in any activity against anyone if you cater to its strengths.
@@bumponalog5001I used to say the same thing, the sensitivity on the PC controller is nothing compared to a mouse. You will get owned by a mouse every time.
for those switching to M&K, I recommend playing dps heroes in overwatch to practice aim outside of game. Aiming is much harder in that game, and the sensitivities are the exact same as destiny's. Something like tracer really helps with acquiring targets quickly. Mcree is great too.
One of the cooler things about playing on PC is that, because of how quickly and precisely you can move your mouse, sliding and turning to instantly aim exactly where you want to look (whether that's at a 90-degree angle or even directly behind you) makes for such insanely smooth and satisfying gameplay.
Kinda wish you'd discussed key binds, but I liked everything else you said! I especially agree with what you said about how it breaks your mind going form playing the game on PC after years of playing it on console, but adding another fps game to the mix helps with the adjustment. I have definitely found that to be the case. The more you play with M&K the better it feels and the harder it is to go back to controller. Just give it a chance and stick with it.
Thank you for the video Cross, I'll be making the switch to PC with shadowkeep. I've been a controller player for as long as I could remember and I would love to try M&K. I appreciate the tips and appreciate you brother. Keep up the wonderful videos as always ^_^
Gotta say as a 20 year PC gamer these tips are on point. The best tip imo really is patience. It really does take a while to get good and M/K. I've seen friends grasp it in a week and others it took them a very very long time. When it comes to settings, this motto really rings true: "These are my settings, there are many like it, but this one is mine." IF you really wanna get used to M/K in a more general way, I highly recommend playing an RTS or a MOBA of some kind. Those types of games require very precise styles of movement and tend to use more of the keyboard than most FPS's do. StarCraft 2, League, Dota, and plenty other free games are available to get truly used to a M/K. One more thing I will say is take breaks. Unless you are on a computer a lot and constantly clicking on a mouse chances are your hands will start to cramp up. Take a break. Carpal tunnel is a real concern for PC gaming. I know its a possibility with a controller but I hear stories about it far more often with PC gamers. APM is a great stat to have but it can seriously dmg your hand.
Good note. Is picking your DPI and using the mouse pad method for finding sense. Pick a spot and go across your mouse pad horizontally. You wanna do a 360 and land at the first spot by the other side of the mousepad
very good tips... made the same transition a year ago. I can certainly say that i improved SOOO much with m&k now. I could NEVER go back to D2 on console now. The faster pace and the 180 quickscopes in PVP are just tooo amazing to pass up... sometimes its frustrating bec. some players have LUDACRIS aim, but im getting better everyday and LOVE every second of it!
I switched last year and it did indeed take a lot of time. Sensitivity, muscle memory being the slowest to get used to. He is absolutely correct in that in your head you know what you should do, what you should be able to do but your hands just can't do it. Dont get frustrated this takes time. I ended up with a half-keyboard and G-502. I highly recommend these but understand my playstyle might be different from yours, and when it comes to my mouse I dont tend to move it around a lot. My movements are pretty subtle. Dont be worried if your playstyle is different from somebody else's, do what feels natural to you.
Glad you made this. I am moving over to pc and it's been learning experience. But i will check out the discord sounds like a good place to get a group to play with.
If you are having a real problem adjusting to PC you might try a hybrid setup like I use. Controller in my left hand doing movement, sprint, crouch, reload, super, interact and grenade......Mouse in my right doing aim, scope, Fire, melee, class skill, escape and inventory. Use xPadder and whatever mouse software to map the key commands. My hands virtually never touch the keyboard.
Quick tip for anyone not knowing where to start when adjusting dpi and sensitivity. Generally speaking, the lowest you're comfortable with is the best setting for you. The reasoning is, that the lower your sens and dpi are, the more micro adjustments you can make during aiming. It obviously is a tradeoff, since low sens and dpi also mean more hand travel to move your aim. Most people start in the 400-800 dpi range and use (in the case of Destiny 2) anything from 3-10 as their sensitivity setting. If you have problems hitting your target because you're overshooting (aiming over the head, or having problems tracking targets that move slowly), then you definitely need to lower your sens. If you have problems keeping up with moving targets (they are moving to fast for you to keep your aim on them), then you'll need to uppen the sens.
Having a mouse that has a DPI-on-the-fly button is so awesome with D2 and other PC games. That's what I would suggest getting. I've been using them for 10 years now. Hardware is the hardest things to figure out for one's play style. Especially for FPS games.
Wow! What an unexpected and great video! These are some good tips! I switched to PC destiny in 2017, bought my PC for Destiny and these tips would have been fantastic!
What I did to get good at mouse and keyboard was I played zombies you adjust faster because there are panic situations bht overall your relaxing and teaching muscle memory
First off im a big fan love your content. I just switched to pc m&c. Wow am I crap but you really gave me hope. Its my 1sr day and I have a lot to learn. Thanks for the tips
my tip for aiming with a mouse is its 95% arm pivoting 5% wrist rotation. when i first started out i for the most part just used my wrist a lot more than you are supposed to.
Not gonna lie, knowing that you played splitgate to help you adjust to m&kb is hilarious. I played splitgate for a WEEK before I bought d2 on pc to prepare for the switch!
Yup I've been slowing lowering my sensitivity over the past year.. I've always been a PC gamer but grew up with small mouse pads and high sensitivity. I started at around 14 sensitivity and now down to 9. I think I'm going to change over to 8 pretty soon here but I think I need a bigger mouse pad.
I use an ASTRO Controller playing Destiny 2 on PC. It's the best controller to use. I needed this video tbh, I've been trying to play kb&m for sometime but haven't been able to get it down. Also a good point to make is nearly 0 recoil when using kb&m to aim and shoot. But anyway, you've given me hope that I can learn the input. Thanks Guardian 😊
The pacing thing you were talking about is probably this thing where the game predicts where you're going to move next to reduce delay between players and improve performance, also meaning you can be sniped from around a corner where the other player shouldn'r have been able to see you, but on their end you already moved around that corner and they had a second to take aim and fire at you
one tip I'll add is get a keypad along the lines of a Razer Tartarus v2, your left hand will thank you for it with the long hours it'll stay in one position, not to mention the main keys you need within mm's of each other, a mmo mouse is good too, nice to have 2/3 buttons for your thumb to reload and melee, but most of all have fun, you're going to suck at the start, but you'll get it
I know this was briefly mentioned, but not in detail. There's no Aim Assist on M & K, like there is on Console/Controller. However, there is "bullet magnetism" on both platforms. You don't get the aim assist of a controller, but you keep the bullet magnetism. The more you know.
Another thing, sort of coupled with Game Pace is the movement. On PC movement is so critical. If you look at the gameplay in the vid, just look how much more sliding Aztec does on PC, that coupled with jumping and general faster aim and flicks, movement is a huge part of D2 on PC.
Hardware for M&K wise. 105 bucks for the Logitech Orion spectrum G910 has carried me through 3 years of heavy duty. Same with my corsair M65 mouse! (65 bucks) you can't go wrong with either!
My go-to mouse is the logitech g500/502/whatever number its at now. I had a g500 back in the day and went straight for the g502 when i had to replace it after thousands of hours of gaming. It's such a great mouse.
Great vid, great advice! Earned a sub. For PC hardware I would recommend the Razer Tartarus V2 gamepad. I'm pushing 50 and was getting RSI from how much I was playing, holding my left hand over a keyboard. The Tartarus is comfy, my hand rests on it so no more RSI. I have also recently switched to using the thumb controller for movement and my skills have improved a ton in game! Muscle memory was a bitch to start with, and it took a while to get the programmable keys to where they suited me best, but the intuitive nature of the thumb controller for movement rather than WASD is so superior that it was no time before my movement/strafing was leaving my previous efforts in the dirt. I've never played much on console, but I imagine this might feel like an easier transition for you guys who are moving to PC. Hope this is helpful. I should get paid by Razer the amount of recommendations I've put out there for this thing! It's expensive though (a bit over $100 USD) so if you can source a similar cheaper version with the same thumb controller set up, I say go for it. I can only recommend what I know though.
That sensitivity point is a big one. Don't feel disheartened if a sensitivity doesn't feel right, just keep searching. Also your resolution plays into your dpi, so if you start with 1080p and find a good sens it will feel different if you upgrade to something like 1440p.
I genuinely love your comparison of controller/mouse and keyboard. I'm a gamer my whole life and my cousin built me a pic last year to play overwatch on. I couldn't do it, hated using it. Now I fucking love that on PC I know I can do whatever I can see myself doing as long as I'm skilled, unlike controller. I'm so hyped to move PS4 to PC Destiny with everything
The best advice I can give for someone coming over who wants to have thr insane accuracy and control of a mouse but wants to use a thumbstick to move and not use WASD then do what I still do. Get the razer game pad tarturus v2. Trust me. It's a smoother transition.
All really good tips and I liked this video a lot! I made the switch 3 years ago and I struggled hard the first few months, but like you said I'm way better now than ever. Patience was your most useful tip especially with finding a good mouse you like and finding your sens/dpi set up. Also a good monitor is super useful. If you have low Hz you'll have a bad time. Cheers!
I LOVE the fact that you can adjust DPI in game to fine tune your game play rather than having to have adjustible DPI hardware. This setting alone makes this game on PC so tempting. I have played Destiny since D1 Beta on the PS4 and have been waiting for cross save so I can transfer to PC. Time to break out the old Microsoft Trackball Mouse and start wrecking some folks. Yeah, that's right I said trackball. I have traditional style gaming mice from Razor and Logitech but when it comes to FPS man do I LOVE using a trackball.
I thought I was the next thing from sliced bread when I was on console. Made the switch and instantly knew I was in for a long road to get that feeling of skill back. Once I got comfortable and learned how quick to act I felt myself pass my old skill level in a hurry and just kept getting better. Anyone on the fence about switching to pc should really give it a chance.
*Astro controller is in the thumbnail. We've been sitting on it for a while but a review will be out soon on it!* astro.family/aztecross
Don't forget to mention aftermarket support for the C40 when you review it! Battle Beaver Customs sells joystick modules with higher tension for it.
Bro lemme get your pro wireless
I run 1200 dpi, with an ingame sense of 6 with 1 ads. I played alot of apex legends and used a sensitivity calculator to convert my apex settings to destiny. My god did my aim improve after a few weeks of playing apex dropping into skull town. If you dont want to move your arm across the whole desk to aim id recommend these settings. Also, If you prefer higher DPI you want a heavier mouse and if you like low dpi you want a lighter mouse.
@@NamelessGlassesI bought two Battle Beaver replacement modules, and it makes a world of different, AND they're super easy to install
I'm on PC and use a steam controller, it's a good balance between controller and Keyboard and mouse.
800x3 is my sens.
It’s like throwing your mouse across the room, except you can hit a pixel if you wanted to.
CammyCakes Gaming how do you quick 180s that I’ve seen you do lol
I think i heard you mention you play with moving your arm vs wrist right?
Haha I'd need a new desk and mouse pad for that setting.. I literally don't have enough desk space. I use 800 DPI with 9 sensitivity.
@@henryzelman4541 swipes his arm across the mouse pad
Jamie Aviles Arm for big motion, wrist for smaller motion. That’s typically what people w low sens do
I love that you take money into consideration when talking about hardware and don’t recommend a bunch of stuff we can’t afford, I’m sure I’m not alone in wanting to see your whole set up and help us with buying/building a PC
unwindingstar 9 the problem is.....in the PC world.....their really isn’t a standard “one size will fit all games”. Virtually EVERY game will have different performance requirements built on different game engines. The good news is that excellent performance from a game does NOT have to be tied to a $1000 nVidia 2080 Ti graphics card and TBH all PC games have a low, medium, high general settings type menus and even when set to “low” most people will not see THAT MUCH of a difference in graphics quality. bottom line is even much cheaper hardware should be able to let you play the latest games in beautiful quality albeit not the highest advertised. D2 is really good about not being a resource hog and should be easy to get over 60 FPS without losing graphics quality at all. But do realize that in a game like Metro Exodus for instance....you are never going to get the latest Ray tracing and the absolute crem de la crem graphics without a VERY expensive card. You get what you pay for is VERY evident in the PC world
if want to buy a mouse or keyboard dont buy it online go test it first
Just stop being lazy and do research yourself these a ton of budget vids and just wait for a sale like Black Friday or cyber Monday so you can save more money but a decent rig runs you about $700 which is about less that you spend on owning a PS4
I’m gonna warm you guys who are Crucible warriors on console who are planning on switching. Your play style will HAVE to change. Sniping is 100x more effective so you will have to learn not to peek without being prepared. There are some human aimbots over here.
Facts
Also even the worst hand cannon will be able to rock you.
or actual aimbots?
BurningBeard22 I’ve only encountered one cheater on PC ever after ~1.5k hours. This was also in the first month after launch. Battle.net’s anti-cheat is really good.
Henry Zelman Is Steam anti cheat any good? I dunno....just asking....
Damn, he read my mind and make a video about switching to PC. Thank you.
The best feeling when you play PC shooters is one day where it all just clicks. You start hitting shots you used to miss, and being overall better at the game. I picked up a sniper for the first time since season 4 and it all just made sense. I wasnt top scoring, but I wasnt doing as NEARLY as bad with a snipe as i used to do, and I felt like I was genuinely progressing as a player
Nice, just noticed myself getting rekt at 2:05. Gg lol, was surprised to run into you on PC, wasn't sure if it was actually you.
When Aztecross had 60k two years ago, and posted a vid with Mrs. Aztecross, that’s when I subbed and prayed to the dear god that this good man gets more subs to what amazing and well made contenting he’s posting. Now he’s on +300k and I just can’t stop these tears not dropping. A random fan is genuinely proud of you good man.
Made me nauseous going back to ps4 and xbox when i switched to PC.
it was worse for me when i played D2 and warframe on PC! dont feel that way when using a controller, specifically a ps4 one, but the minute i try mouse and keyboard , i started hurling up a storm after a while!
I had issues when I started playing on PC in 2014 with the higher framerate (gave me headaches) but now play comfortably at 144 fps. Console framerate bugs me so much now because its seems like its just stuttering constantly.
@@keronstewart9446 he was saying that console makes him nauseous, now that he plays on PC
i play warframe on console, and going back to destiny 2 hurts my eyes as well.
For as much as I love Bloodborne, getting my PS4 out and playing it again always meek me feel wrong because of how choppy it is.
I get nauseous when I go from 60 to 30. But 30 to 60 I just feel like I snorted some crack
Bwilson 😂
Jheez this comment 😂
I bought a 144hz 1440p monitor and i thought my world just so incredible smoothly
@@hoxton_hummingbird cool
I'll take it off your hands. Idk if you can handle that. Lol
I actually get nauseous when I try to play console...The FOV is too narrow.
Yeah sometimes low fov feels like a real health and safety risk
HC recoil on console videos bugs my eyes out with the wack fov
And the motion blur makes you feel sick
Yeah FOV feels way too close and it feels like there's no room lol
I cant get my head around why you cannot change it on console
When I moved to PC, it was another world. For every game. Being able to play a game at 1440p, 130+ frames with little to no drops is amazing. It's even crazier when I play my comp games on the 1080p 240Hz monitor. RTX 2080ti and i9-99K.
Lmao your first pc was a top of the line? Sounds like bait
I love you aztecross keep up the content going brother
Just discovered your channel but man you’re already one of my favorite TH-camrs. Honest, try to remove bias, open-minded and just overall a good-natured dude. We need more like you. Thank you! Feel much better making the transition now too.
Love your video. Really helped me out especially since D2 will be the first FPS game I’ve ever played on PC.
Hell yeah man, can't wait for tomorrow! I'm on all 3 platforms, and am looking forward to having fun with the whole community!
Yo this video was needed man, I been feeling so overwhelmed with mnk, my controller started looking tempting again but I'm gonna persevere lol XD
Trust me mouse and keyboard will be like a different world once used to it.
Me too
As a dedicated PC player who hasn't played on a console in years, I can appreciate more people moving to PC. Although, it seems like a lot of players on PC still use controllers, which I understand to a degree. But it still saddens me because they're missing out on the PC meta.
The thing about switching to PC is that you only have to get used to it once. Switching back to consoles after taking even a short break will require you to adjust to the vastly slower pace.
Easily my favorite d2 youtuber.
I just moved to PC a few days ago and this was quite literally the video I needed. Excellent work and thank you👍
what about mouse and keyboard
Just got a gaming pc for this yesterday. Can't wait to try it tomorrow!
Darth Ridiculus awesome!
Just curious which pc did you buy, still looking for one that can run the game smoothly for a decent price
Zain Akhtar if you want the max for the min price, you should build your own. It’s not that hard and allows for a fair bit of customization. Or you could create one for a company to produce if you’re uncomfortable putting one together, but that will cost more
@@nates_fate0885 thanks, I dont mind building my own, but I dont know much about PC's in general. I'm gonna need to do a lot of research and learn about the components
I bought one a friend built for 600.
Amd 580 8gbs
RX 2700x
Msi 370x motherboard
16 gbs 2300 ram
Im not super computer savy so.... but Destiny looks pretty good on it for an entry point.
This is one of the most helpful videos of them all, not only on hardware tips, also on tips that would actually help me for the transition to M&K. Thanks man, I'm even more excited now!
That's a Glorious thumbnail. haha, get it.
...ok I'll see myself out now.
Please go and take some tidepods
Omg
Everything you said I related to so well. From getting frustrated about the movement, my brain could not keep up with amount of things that I had to do. I probably looked at the button mapping screen 15 times in 10 mins. Thank you so much for giving these tips.
Cross you should of definitely addressed the More competitive nature of PC PvP in any form of PvP
Just switched to PC last week... this helped confirm a few things I already knew I needed, like patience, but it was just wild hearing an old Cross video haha
Destiny 2 on PC-Confessions: A True Aztecross Story
Good advice Cross! When I went from playing R6 Siege on the Xbox to PC, I definitely had a rude awakening when I hopped into a match expecting my aim to automatically be better.
Ay cross lemme hear it. Say it. NASTY
I have been part of pc master race for decades now.. it even I gotta say... what a great video... amazing job. Aztec just has a great way of explaining things
I imagine 60+fps on PC is nice. I wish One X and Pro had an option for either 60fps or 4K at 30fps.
Trust me, the difference is very visible, I play at 120 fps nowadays and I could never go back
@@damiangladysz6773 So much this. I dont even have a 120hz monitor. but going from a 60hz monitor to a 75hz monitor is 100% noticeable.
I used a 60 Hz Monitor after having a 144 Hz one and felt super inconfident Just because it was so "laggy"
Thanks for making this video, I _bet_ this will help a lot of people who are making the switch to PC. I'm excited to meet some newcomers. Always happy to see the PC gaming community grow
I love to welcome everyone to the *MASTER RACE* ;P
Man did I need this. I've been on console since Atari, literally. What an adjustment! My fingers don't do what I want, mouse doesn't go where I want and I find myself getting up to take a break often but I'm committed. I've look at my Scuf a few times but resisted. The struggle is real. Thanks AC
If u want something that will bless ur aim cross is R6 Siege, that helps me in about every pc game i play now
I love R6 but it has the worse hit registration in any FPS game I’ve played. It’s one of the most frustrating things ever.
CSGO*
Rainbow is trash. UI sucks, new maps suck, community complains about everything, takes 15 minutes to find a match, competitive is a joke, no team killing.
Alexander Sandoval the game is fine
Nah, r6 sucks. So does csgo. A fast game like Destiny is better to train your aim fast.
Made the switch to pc in 2008, good tips all around! Especially the one about switching games up, when I started learning a low dpi+ large mouse-mat setup it was easy to get frustrated.
Dont bother with dpi! Set one, adjust in game. Train your muscle memory. And be consistent with sens. Fixed distance on mouse pad to do a 360. //Oldest fps gamer in the world. 🤣
There are technical reasons why you don’t want a DPI that’s too low. You can frame skip depending on your ingame sensitivity. There’s a calculator for frame skipping too see whether or not it will occur.
agreed. i personally have it so i can place my mouse in the middle of the mat and do a 360 in either direction so if i go from one side to the other i can do a 720. and i always have ads sensitivity multiplier as 1 so you pick up muscle memory quicker
@Nelson Nguyen i prefer 1:1. keeps everything consistent no matter the scope magnification or game. 10x zoom scope requires the same hands eye coordination as a 1x so your shots are always on point
@@saxboss1 Its not 1998 anymore. But if you get "pixelskipping" on a mouse from 2019 from any well known manufacturer you need rma that. 🤣 Or calibrate lift off distance.
I wont argue though. Im a old fart with to many mice. Im at 800 dpi since early 2001 And I have always used 45-50cm for a 360.
I have these mice atm:
Glorious Model 0. Side buttons are absolute rubbish.
Logitech G Pro wireless. Pretty decent. A bit narrow for me.
Logitech G502 Hero wireless. Just because I have the original no RGB space ship. 🤣 Use it for stuff other than gaming.
Logitech G403 first one from 2016 and a G703. This is my favorite shape. Dont like the glossy side buttons though.
Razer Viper. A bit meh. To small basically.
Razer Mamba Elite close to G403 in shape. Very nice side buttons.
Razer Basilisk. A G502 clone (by shape) with less weight. Works fine for everything.
Steelseries Rival 310. Good. Very good.
None of these have issues with low bor mid dpi settings. 400/800.
And as RJN says. There is NO perfect mouse.
GG!
@@saxboss1 btw, there is a small problem with Destiny 2. It doesn't use mouse raw so if you have changed Windows sens to somerhing other than standard 6/11, you may actually experience jitter and inconsistent behaviour from your mouse.
Solid shit. I thought I knew how to play PC gaming but one of my friend moved to PC from console and he helped me learn a lot to perfect my aim. You never can be too good to not learn a more each day. Solid vid about the transition.
Join the brotherhood of keyboard warriors and be enlightened.
Neon Lizard yeah, continue to lie to yourself 🤷🏻♂️😂 www.google.ca/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/01/17/xbox-players-are-better-at-gaming-than-ps4-and-pc-owners-survey/amp/
Svendar are people like you really this stupid?
Svendar not only is it pathetic that you care about which platform has “better gamers”, but you’re also just an idiot. Fucking yikes
Thanks for this video- the part where you discuss 'patience' really resonated w/ me. Was getting so frustrated last night lol
Staying on console. But these are good tips!
Thanks, really needed this video. I was about to throw my keyboard at the wall, but your last tip made me realize that you can't just run in and expect to be amazing. Even YOU had to train to get better. Thanks for this video.
Protip - you will run into people on PC that feel like they have an aimbot on. Your brain goes "there is no possible way he made that shot". But they do. Again, and again. It has happened to me many times. They do not have an aimbot on - M&K just has that high of a skill ceiling. Don't get frustrated, be patient.
Also, yeah about the flanking. You'd better get crafty or you're going to come around a corner with a Mindbender's staring you in the face.
I get that on console anyway. So im used to it from call of duty days.
I switched to pc in May and Destiny 2 was my training wheels. Perfect game with all the pve and pvp to practice with. I found 1200dpi 4 sence and 0.9 ads was my sweet spot. Great tips man 👍
if you're playing dirt, go get a glass of water, drink it, thank me later.
You know, being a long time subscriber, it's really cool to see you progressing your skills and whatnot. I remember a year and ago you made a video and talked about m&k vs controller, but you weren't into pc gaming at the time. It's really cool to compare what you said back then to what you're saying now. :)
Aztecross: 30 fps - 60 fps 🤢
Me: 200 fps - 30 fps 🤮
Exactly how i feel haha
it's true for those that swapped from console to PC, and it's coming from Me since I did the switch from console to PC Lol
Fun tip about equipment...
One of the cheapest and best things people tend to over look is there mouse pad/mat...
Material , shape, size and firmness plays a huge part in how your mouse acts...
A smoother slippery pad and a heavy mouse glides like it's on skates
Light mouse and slippery pad can snappy and responsive
A lighter mouse on a padded mouse pad can be easier to stop...
Heavy mouse and a padded pad can allow for very fine movements with out over running...
Point being... If you don't like how your mouse is acting many times it not the mouse and it's the pad it's sitting on
Bois I got the voidstreak sparrow....
I have no soul
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Its good to see this because I converted to PC back when PS4 came out. I also went through these growing pains of PC, but also now i will never use a controller again (aside from Nintendo) . I am glad to see you make a video like this because I love seeing people convert over to pc because that just grows the player base for this platform.
I hope my stats on console will be separate from pc. Imma go from 2.1kd to .001kd
sharique Nguyen It better or else I’m fucked.
I switched over to PC in about last July and I still occasionally come back to this video specifically for the segment that starts at about 9:10, I use it for motivation when I feel like my aim isn't so great.
I think there is just better FPS players on PC.
I agree with you. Not to shit on console players, because they have a fair share of beasts too. However, someone who put in $2k on a gaming PC will use it rigorously. I think PC Gamers are more "serious" in a sense, about gaming.
@@Matt_The_One that why cod is on console?
@@Matt_The_One not really
Longtime watcher, first time commenting. I'm genuinely thankful for this video. Dealing with the mouse and keyboard transition has been rather frustrating, precisely because of the reasons you listed--ESPECIALLY the kind of disconnect between what I know I've done/am capable of doing/should be seeing based on my inputs and timing and the actuality of what I'm doing on screen at the moment, be it in PvE or PvP. I'm definitely motivated not to lean too heavily on the controller as a crutch after watching this. Thanks.
Make sure you don't use a Controller, you are limiting yourself big time and going to suffer and miss out on some high lvl play.
You can use a controller and be fine. Unless you're in the top .5% of players you can slay out with a controller in any activity against anyone if you cater to its strengths.
@@bumponalog5001I used to say the same thing, the sensitivity on the PC controller is nothing compared to a mouse. You will get owned by a mouse every time.
for those switching to M&K, I recommend playing dps heroes in overwatch to practice aim outside of game. Aiming is much harder in that game, and the sensitivities are the exact same as destiny's. Something like tracer really helps with acquiring targets quickly. Mcree is great too.
*cracks knuckles*
See you controller players or new M&K players in the Crucible tomorrow. Christmas came early.
More like: sticks thumb in butt
Dur dur dur dur dur dur dur. Xmas!
One of the cooler things about playing on PC is that, because of how quickly and precisely you can move your mouse, sliding and turning to instantly aim exactly where you want to look (whether that's at a 90-degree angle or even directly behind you) makes for such insanely smooth and satisfying gameplay.
"I am not saying M&K is superior", but you are 😂.
Pretty much said that PC community is intellectually superior bro console one...😂😂😂
MNK is superior to controller, it’s fact.
Kinda wish you'd discussed key binds, but I liked everything else you said! I especially agree with what you said about how it breaks your mind going form playing the game on PC after years of playing it on console, but adding another fps game to the mix helps with the adjustment. I have definitely found that to be the case. The more you play with M&K the better it feels and the harder it is to go back to controller. Just give it a chance and stick with it.
Thank you for the video Cross, I'll be making the switch to PC with shadowkeep. I've been a controller player for as long as I could remember and I would love to try M&K. I appreciate the tips and appreciate you brother. Keep up the wonderful videos as always ^_^
Gotta say as a 20 year PC gamer these tips are on point. The best tip imo really is patience. It really does take a while to get good and M/K. I've seen friends grasp it in a week and others it took them a very very long time. When it comes to settings, this motto really rings true: "These are my settings, there are many like it, but this one is mine."
IF you really wanna get used to M/K in a more general way, I highly recommend playing an RTS or a MOBA of some kind. Those types of games require very precise styles of movement and tend to use more of the keyboard than most FPS's do. StarCraft 2, League, Dota, and plenty other free games are available to get truly used to a M/K.
One more thing I will say is take breaks. Unless you are on a computer a lot and constantly clicking on a mouse chances are your hands will start to cramp up. Take a break. Carpal tunnel is a real concern for PC gaming. I know its a possibility with a controller but I hear stories about it far more often with PC gamers. APM is a great stat to have but it can seriously dmg your hand.
Good note. Is picking your DPI and using the mouse pad method for finding sense. Pick a spot and go across your mouse pad horizontally. You wanna do a 360 and land at the first spot by the other side of the mousepad
WE SHALL BE GLORIOUS!
:) much love man good luck with PC!
very good tips... made the same transition a year ago. I can certainly say that i improved SOOO much with m&k now. I could NEVER go back to D2 on console now. The faster pace and the 180 quickscopes in PVP are just tooo amazing to pass up... sometimes its frustrating bec. some players have LUDACRIS aim, but im getting better everyday and LOVE every second of it!
That slide snipe at 10:15 is beautiful.
I switched last year and it did indeed take a lot of time. Sensitivity, muscle memory being the slowest to get used to. He is absolutely correct in that in your head you know what you should do, what you should be able to do but your hands just can't do it. Dont get frustrated this takes time. I ended up with a half-keyboard and G-502. I highly recommend these but understand my playstyle might be different from yours, and when it comes to my mouse I dont tend to move it around a lot. My movements are pretty subtle. Dont be worried if your playstyle is different from somebody else's, do what feels natural to you.
Glad you made this. I am moving over to pc and it's been learning experience. But i will check out the discord sounds like a good place to get a group to play with.
Thanks, man! That was really helpful! I plan to switch to PC from Xbox next week and needed exactly these hints.
If you are having a real problem adjusting to PC you might try a hybrid setup like I use. Controller in my left hand doing movement, sprint, crouch, reload, super, interact and grenade......Mouse in my right doing aim, scope, Fire, melee, class skill, escape and inventory. Use xPadder and whatever mouse software to map the key commands. My hands virtually never touch the keyboard.
Quick tip for anyone not knowing where to start when adjusting dpi and sensitivity.
Generally speaking, the lowest you're comfortable with is the best setting for you. The reasoning is, that the lower your sens and dpi are, the more micro adjustments you can make during aiming. It obviously is a tradeoff, since low sens and dpi also mean more hand travel to move your aim.
Most people start in the 400-800 dpi range and use (in the case of Destiny 2) anything from 3-10 as their sensitivity setting. If you have problems hitting your target because you're overshooting (aiming over the head, or having problems tracking targets that move slowly), then you definitely need to lower your sens. If you have problems keeping up with moving targets (they are moving to fast for you to keep your aim on them), then you'll need to uppen the sens.
I don't know why im watching this because i never used a control to play FPS and my last console was a N64 but i love u vid aztecross
Having a mouse that has a DPI-on-the-fly button is so awesome with D2 and other PC games. That's what I would suggest getting. I've been using them for 10 years now. Hardware is the hardest things to figure out for one's play style. Especially for FPS games.
Wow! What an unexpected and great video! These are some good tips!
I switched to PC destiny in 2017, bought my PC for Destiny and these tips would have been fantastic!
What I did to get good at mouse and keyboard was I played zombies you adjust faster because there are panic situations bht overall your relaxing and teaching muscle memory
First off im a big fan love your content.
I just switched to pc m&c. Wow am I crap but you really gave me hope. Its my 1sr day and I have a lot to learn. Thanks for the tips
I needed this video real bad.. patience is key I guess, so I can’t beat myself up. Great vid.
my tip for aiming with a mouse is its 95% arm pivoting 5% wrist rotation. when i first started out i for the most part just used my wrist a lot more than you are supposed to.
Not gonna lie, knowing that you played splitgate to help you adjust to m&kb is hilarious. I played splitgate for a WEEK before I bought d2 on pc to prepare for the switch!
I recommend starting at a high sense , then as you get better go to a super low sens (you will be able to build better muscle memory at lower sens)
Yup I've been slowing lowering my sensitivity over the past year.. I've always been a PC gamer but grew up with small mouse pads and high sensitivity. I started at around 14 sensitivity and now down to 9.
I think I'm going to change over to 8 pretty soon here but I think I need a bigger mouse pad.
I just put a pc together a couple weeks ago and can confirm that playing split gate is great for getting your footing and dexterity going on MnK.
I use an ASTRO Controller playing Destiny 2 on PC. It's the best controller to use. I needed this video tbh, I've been trying to play kb&m for sometime but haven't been able to get it down. Also a good point to make is nearly 0 recoil when using kb&m to aim and shoot. But anyway, you've given me hope that I can learn the input. Thanks Guardian 😊
The pacing thing you were talking about is probably this thing where the game predicts where you're going to move next to reduce delay between players and improve performance, also meaning you can be sniped from around a corner where the other player shouldn'r have been able to see you, but on their end you already moved around that corner and they had a second to take aim and fire at you
Peeker's advantage
one tip I'll add is get a keypad along the lines of a Razer Tartarus v2, your left hand will thank you for it with the long hours it'll stay in one position, not to mention the main keys you need within mm's of each other, a mmo mouse is good too, nice to have 2/3 buttons for your thumb to reload and melee, but most of all have fun, you're going to suck at the start, but you'll get it
I know this was briefly mentioned, but not in detail. There's no Aim Assist on M & K, like there is on Console/Controller. However, there is "bullet magnetism" on both platforms. You don't get the aim assist of a controller, but you keep the bullet magnetism. The more you know.
It's also really fun when you feel the framerates drop, you look up at the corner at the frame rate counter and see its dropped to 99fps
Another thing, sort of coupled with Game Pace is the movement. On PC movement is so critical. If you look at the gameplay in the vid, just look how much more sliding Aztec does on PC, that coupled with jumping and general faster aim and flicks, movement is a huge part of D2 on PC.
@aztecross gaming, you are freaking killing it man! Love your content so much bro =) keeping on doing what you love man !
Hardware for M&K wise. 105 bucks for the Logitech Orion spectrum G910 has carried me through 3 years of heavy duty. Same with my corsair M65 mouse! (65 bucks) you can't go wrong with either!
My go-to mouse is the logitech g500/502/whatever number its at now. I had a g500 back in the day and went straight for the g502 when i had to replace it after thousands of hours of gaming. It's such a great mouse.
Dude. Great video. Appreciate the time you take to articulate the finer points.
Great vid, great advice! Earned a sub.
For PC hardware I would recommend the Razer Tartarus V2 gamepad. I'm pushing 50 and was getting RSI from how much I was playing, holding my left hand over a keyboard. The Tartarus is comfy, my hand rests on it so no more RSI. I have also recently switched to using the thumb controller for movement and my skills have improved a ton in game! Muscle memory was a bitch to start with, and it took a while to get the programmable keys to where they suited me best, but the intuitive nature of the thumb controller for movement rather than WASD is so superior that it was no time before my movement/strafing was leaving my previous efforts in the dirt. I've never played much on console, but I imagine this might feel like an easier transition for you guys who are moving to PC. Hope this is helpful. I should get paid by Razer the amount of recommendations I've put out there for this thing! It's expensive though (a bit over $100 USD) so if you can source a similar cheaper version with the same thumb controller set up, I say go for it. I can only recommend what I know though.
That sensitivity point is a big one. Don't feel disheartened if a sensitivity doesn't feel right, just keep searching. Also your resolution plays into your dpi, so if you start with 1080p and find a good sens it will feel different if you upgrade to something like 1440p.
I genuinely love your comparison of controller/mouse and keyboard. I'm a gamer my whole life and my cousin built me a pic last year to play overwatch on. I couldn't do it, hated using it. Now I fucking love that on PC I know I can do whatever I can see myself doing as long as I'm skilled, unlike controller. I'm so hyped to move PS4 to PC Destiny with everything
I cannot believe how perfectly reflect this video was to my own experience switching.
The best advice I can give for someone coming over who wants to have thr insane accuracy and control of a mouse but wants to use a thumbstick to move and not use WASD then do what I still do. Get the razer game pad tarturus v2. Trust me. It's a smoother transition.
I transitioned pretty well, it took me at least 2 weeks to get the keyboard right, I can’t wait to get all my destiny gear man, I’m so excited!!!
You just motivated me to make the switch and actually stick with M&K! You’re the best Aztecross
All really good tips and I liked this video a lot! I made the switch 3 years ago and I struggled hard the first few months, but like you said I'm way better now than ever. Patience was your most useful tip especially with finding a good mouse you like and finding your sens/dpi set up. Also a good monitor is super useful. If you have low Hz you'll have a bad time. Cheers!
Unless you can push 144fps, there's no point getting a high refresh rate monitor :/
ArcaneVoid idk man 100 FPS on a 144 hz would be better than 100 FPS on a 60 hz lol
@@AnarkyXIII True, but 144hz monitor's are pretty expensive. I know I'd be better off spending the money on a hardware upgrade.
ArcaneVoid I disagree cus the hardware will be obsolete in a year or two, the monitor will not be.
@@AnarkyXIII I guess you're right, but my cpu's 9 years old so there's no excuse to not upgrade it.
I LOVE the fact that you can adjust DPI in game to fine tune your game play rather than having to have adjustible DPI hardware. This setting alone makes this game on PC so tempting. I have played Destiny since D1 Beta on the PS4 and have been waiting for cross save so I can transfer to PC. Time to break out the old Microsoft Trackball Mouse and start wrecking some folks. Yeah, that's right I said trackball. I have traditional style gaming mice from Razor and Logitech but when it comes to FPS man do I LOVE using a trackball.
I thought I was the next thing from sliced bread when I was on console. Made the switch and instantly knew I was in for a long road to get that feeling of skill back. Once I got comfortable and learned how quick to act I felt myself pass my old skill level in a hurry and just kept getting better. Anyone on the fence about switching to pc should really give it a chance.