What if Ripley Trusted Bishop II?

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  • In the finale of Alien 3, Bishop II promised to remove and destroy the alien embryo inside of Ripley. She chose not to trust him and made the ultimate sacrifice in order to save the universe. But what if she chose differently? This video explores different outcomes that may have played out it Ripley trusted the word of Bishop II.
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  • @uatrekker
    @uatrekker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    Bishop^ "we don't have a name for different developmental stages yet"
    this "yet" shows real intentions.

    • @pompomous2321
      @pompomous2321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Agree, that comment struck me aswell, I'd do the dive myself right at that moment :X

    • @seanm4095
      @seanm4095 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I noticed that too! Same and we know full well that the company wants an alien for the bio weapons program!:

    • @JimboLogic
      @JimboLogic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yah, what the f••k you mean "yet".

    • @chrisn4315
      @chrisn4315 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Right, I noticed that, too. Small word - big difference.

  • @jamesbuckingham77
    @jamesbuckingham77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    Fun fact: A few years ago, when I gave up smoking I spoke the line "you've been in my life so long I can't remember anything else", before tossing the rest of the packet in the bin. Never touched a smoke since.

    • @whitrulzes
      @whitrulzes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      As the packet made it's journey to the bin, a single cigarette burst out of the top of the packet and squealed, trying to escape its fate.

    • @aHedgerowFrog
      @aHedgerowFrog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Addiction is the _real_ monster

    • @sebastiandiaz6724
      @sebastiandiaz6724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      They mostly came at night, didn’t they?

    • @Jonslondon
      @Jonslondon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@whitrulzes damn..and then what happened bro?

    • @ai6894
      @ai6894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      (To the cigarettes 🚬) "Game over, man! GAME OVER!" 🚭

  • @HoustonSoto
    @HoustonSoto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I loved the hellish imagery in this scene; the devil in disguise, wearing a friendly face, tempting the messianic hero. Trying to corrupt her with lies and false promises.

    • @ryanf7441
      @ryanf7441 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I never realized that before, great point

    • @bruceli9094
      @bruceli9094 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what Globalists/Elites/Marxists are trying to do.. to corrupt us.

  • @ThisIsTheRoad
    @ThisIsTheRoad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    "Bishop takes Queen..." I don't know if that would have fit as dialouge into the film, but f**k, do I love that quote! :D

    • @albertrussell4323
      @albertrussell4323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah that is a nice quote

    • @garyesajas
      @garyesajas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Take my like sir

    • @misterG2006
      @misterG2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check mate! :)

    • @aleksandarbogdanov303
      @aleksandarbogdanov303 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@misterG2006 Bishop mate :D

    • @steveflatman
      @steveflatman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's a reverse of the scene in Aliens where the Alien Queen takes Bishop.

  • @porcu12345
    @porcu12345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +221

    What if Lt. Gorman wasn't useless and decided to call back the marines as soon as they realised something wasn't right when trying to locate the survivors? How different would the Aliens storyline have been with a full squad of armed troopers? Potential video!

    • @robzilla730
      @robzilla730 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Like if they pulled back to the colony and dug in. Set up multiple robot sentries. Would've been dope

    • @Dimetropteryx
      @Dimetropteryx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The dropship would still have crashed, they would still have needed to hold out for 17 days, and the atmospheric processor would still have blown up long before that.
      OR
      They could have done a mad dash for the uplink tower and called down the second dropship, and evacuated.

    • @xKinjax
      @xKinjax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@Dimetropteryx At least on the dropship part and atmospheric processor part you're wrong imho. They would have likely not stopped out in the open and instead gone back to the colony if they had successfully pulled out of the processor. If that had happened neither the marines nor the crashing ship would have damaged the processor. The pilots would have probably still gotten killed but the ship would have likely survived. If it didn't they could have simply left the colony, gone a safe distance away and used the APC to pilot down the second dropship. That said this would be a terrible ending because it would basically mean that Wayland would have a fully intact and thriving xenomorph colony to just come in and take over.

    • @marcoelhodev
      @marcoelhodev 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@xKinjax Nope, they would have nuked it from orbit. I'm sure of that.

    • @mr.mister1045
      @mr.mister1045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      What if in alien, the ship never landed on LV426. What would have happened to the rest of the alien movie?

  • @chrisr__
    @chrisr__ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    My face lit up when I saw there was a new video to watch.

  • @ahousecatnamedmr.jenkins1052
    @ahousecatnamedmr.jenkins1052 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Bishop II is like Palpatine in a way
    "Yes, you can trust me"

  • @eviljim292
    @eviljim292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    As in real life, Billion $ Corps don't like Loose Ends, either way Ripley Does Not Survive the ordeal !!

    • @joshbigz8440
      @joshbigz8440 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think they would freeze her until they know they cannot get any more information out of her and than just throw her in the incinerator.

    • @weightlifting_socialist
      @weightlifting_socialist 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Capitalism requires people to hurt and be sacrificed in order to work. You got it right with your comment.

  • @NaZtRdAmUs
    @NaZtRdAmUs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    The "best" outcome for the company is to turn the prison planet into a new Alien home world and then observe them from space.

    • @bushdude82
      @bushdude82 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They would still try to control and weaponize them to use to their advantage. They would rule by fear because they would threaten any competition they encounter with the xenomorphs and eventually monopolize and be a world superpower, and shadow government, ran by the higher-ups of the company

    • @KalashVodka175
      @KalashVodka175 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@bushdude82 I think WY main reason for trying to get xenomorphs is not to weaponize xenomorphs themselves, but to study their incredibly biology
      Imagine, superlight protective armour made out of xeno chitin, acid bullet that could melt through anything, and that's not to mention the myriads of medical application thorough research of a specimen could generate.

    • @bushdude82
      @bushdude82 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KalashVodka175 I could totally see that happening as well it would probably be happening at the same time even if they were trying to weaponize xenomorphs themselves, and they would take these medical break-throughs and development of armor like you mentioned, would just lead to a super soldier development program.

    • @steveflatman
      @steveflatman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Remember that also in the original script and book the Xenomorohs have a neurotoxin administered by their tail which paralyses humans in seconds, this alone but seemed to wear off with absolutely no side effects (the reason Gorman was unconscious in the script/book rather than being knocked out), this alone would be a valuable item if weaponised. The armour possible would be incredibly valuable, as mentioned, as would their ability to sense potential human hosts, which if understood could be turned into potential tracking devices. The possibilities for a weapons division with nefarious intentions would be huge... if they lived long enough to see any of them through to fruition!

    • @faceless2302
      @faceless2302 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Company wouldn't be content with just observing I'm sure, they'd want tests done. I think the best case containment is some sort of space station hub with detached pods for specimen containment. Try to keep study entirely remote through camera feeds where possible, but offer a way for pods to be moved by crane or by thruster to dock with the station so synthetics can bring them in for autopsy or whatever is needed. Have everyone live and work in groups to avoid lone people getting infected without anyone knowing. Hard part is finding a way to provide ventilation to staff without the use of conveniently alien-sized air ducts because that's just begging for breached containment. Of course it's Alien, it's going to go wrong and everyone is going to die, but on paper it's probably about as best you can do without a full staff of synths which may be prohibitively expensive.

  • @robh.5595
    @robh.5595 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    It'd have been game over, man...game over.

  • @jasonleslie203
    @jasonleslie203 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The whole "your just going to have to trust me" tells you everything you need to know on what his motives. At least in my opinion. Especially after him saying "its the chance of a life time. Its a magnificent specimen"

  • @ChainsawGutsFuck
    @ChainsawGutsFuck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Considering how sinister Weyland-Yutani have acted - redirecting the Nostromo to an alien signal to see what happens on "first contact", setting up a colony they knew would get infested on the same planet - I think it's pretty obvious the moment they had Ripley under control, both prisoners would be executed and she'd be rendered unconscious and taken to some facility to birth the xenomorph inside her. No doubt in my mind they'd just dispose of her corpse after.

  • @this_is_who_we_are
    @this_is_who_we_are 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    In the novel of ALIEN 3 it is mentioned twice how expensive long range deep-space communication is.
    I therefore believe that sending Bishop and his crew and the 'Patna' to Fiorina 161 must be extremely expensive too.
    Based on a huge price-tag WY surely did not send their team to merely save Ripley from the Queen and destroy the latter.
    Watching the movie in the cinema in 1993 in Germany I found two clues that Bishop lied to Ripley and one big statement showing how manipulative Bishop II was.
    1. Explaining the medical procedure to Ripley he makes this grabbing and twisting hand-gesture which (to me) does not indicate a smooth procedure to save Ripley but rather how they would yank the Queen out-of Ripley with little concern for anything but the Queen.
    2. I am paraphrasing from the german translation, and Bishop II first mentions 'it cannot live, we are here to destroy it'. Then when Ripley slams the door close and shortly before Aaron attacks Bishop calls at her, begging her to allow him the operation, as 'it is a very special specimen' and 'there is so much we can learn from it'.
    If it is special, then WY would not kill it and, clearly, WY could learn more from the Queen when she is alive then merely having an obduction on the Queen's corpse.
    3. Attempting to manipulate Ripley in telling her 'you could still have children. A daughter?' Bishop II clearly knew about Amanda Ripley-McClaren and her death and the break-down Ripley had when Burke informed Ripley about her dead daughter before her hearing with vanLeuwen.
    All in all, Ripley would most likely would have died either way.

  • @electricfire621
    @electricfire621 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Alien 3 is underrated in my opinion. The theatrical version is decent, but the Assembly Cut is really really good. Whenever I rewatch the whole series I always choose the Assembly Cut over the theatrical version.

    • @jamessargent9981
      @jamessargent9981 ปีที่แล้ว

      I still like that one as well the prison planet was awful the death of Newt and Hicks was trajick really sad but this all reflects the nature of the alien itself bleak dismal with absolutely no problems killing anyone including a child to stay alive which of course with our system of values is absolutely evil.

    • @spookrockcity
      @spookrockcity 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Alien 3 will always be the worst of the first 4 films because of what it did to Hicks and Newt. You don't take a dump on the story that brought you here.

  • @nevermindmyname9153
    @nevermindmyname9153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Had he said (Even Lying) "You can destroy it yourself". And added "We need your expertise as other Colonies have gone Dark". I have to wonder, would that have worked. After the events of Alien 3 Morse is the most knowledgeable on the Xeno subject.

  • @preferablysolo3592
    @preferablysolo3592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    You're the best alien lore channel bro

  • @albertrussell4323
    @albertrussell4323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I believe Ripley made the write choice not only for her, but for the world. Ripley also stated previously she never wanted to end up like the others.

    • @mattx5499
      @mattx5499 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Of course she did. Few escaped xenomorphs could start a freaking hive and start wiping humans in thousands. What happened with the colony on terraformed Acheron is the best proof that bringing the monster on Earth would end with apocalypse. Such efficient, highly intelligent and ruthless organism couldn't be kept on a 'farm' like an animal. Imagine xenomorphs being able to live as long as freaking giant turtles and survive extreme conditions from the extreme cold of Syberia to extreme hot desert. They could also swim pretty well. No way humanity could compete with such species that's only goal is self preservation. 💡

  • @dancharles6009
    @dancharles6009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This scene reminds me of The Empire Strikes Back, when Luke rejects Vader's offer and falls from a great height. Ripley rejects Bishop's offer and falls. Both Vader and Bishop lose their "prize".

  • @benderbendingrodriguez420
    @benderbendingrodriguez420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Really putting the 'Theory' into *Alien Theory* 👏 love it

  • @johngz3413
    @johngz3413 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That reading of the bisop ii scene he seemed more like he is subtly trying to push her to the jump without the surgeons catching it.

  • @doctoronishispsychosislab1474
    @doctoronishispsychosislab1474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    "Marrakeck. John. J. They killed him Taking it off"

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That was trying to remove the face hugger, rather than the chestburster. Presumably, they tried to physically pull the Hugger's limbs away from the patient's head and it tightened its grip with its tail until his neck broke or it straight up crushed his neck

    • @doctoronishispsychosislab1474
      @doctoronishispsychosislab1474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@weldonwin I know Baby was just putting it out there for some Aliens Hype. :) Too be fair i never actually put much thought into how he died, After the 1st movie i just assumed it was some horrific acid death. but your makes more sense as they want to keep them.

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctoronishispsychosislab1474 They probably figured out the acid thing early on, since Mr Marrakeck was probably not the first person they tried to save, but since both the live Huggers had all their limbs intact, they couldn't have tried to cut them off, so they must have tried to pry them off, so the Huggers would have tightened their grip more and more until the victim's necks broke

    • @bjrnhalfhand2258
      @bjrnhalfhand2258 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@weldonwin either broken neck or "fingers" clinging to the face so hard, the face is torn off.

    • @Sjar86
      @Sjar86 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@weldonwin I read somewhere that the facehugger upon removal will chemically kill the host. When its attached to a host it sedates them and uses chemicals such at immunosuppressants in the host so their body doesnt attack the embryo. It also breathes for the host aswell so not introducing chemicals to wake the host up they will die, hence removal from a host will kill them. I think tail tightning from Facehuggers is more of a back off responce.

  • @MrChristian331
    @MrChristian331 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I've been listening to your channel for a while now "Alien Theory". I like your content about Aliens, and you have a very relaxing voice. Like Bob Ross....👍

    • @robzilla730
      @robzilla730 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He sounds like Tom Cruise

    • @MrChristian331
      @MrChristian331 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@robzilla730 What...he sounds nothing like Tom Cruise. I'm not sure who he sounds like, I just think he has a very calming reassuring voice that is relaxing and at the same time mysterious and foreboding. But considering he narrates on Alien stories this would probably be a blessing for him. Basically he's very good storyteller. 👌

    • @robzilla730
      @robzilla730 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrChristian331 I saw a documentary about Stanley Kubrick narrated by Cruise. This guy sounds just like him. Who's Bob Ross?

    • @MrChristian331
      @MrChristian331 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@robzilla730 What?? You don't know who "Bob Ross" is?? Dude...he is the king of the ASMR sounds. Whenever you are having stress, anxiety or can't sleep, just listen to 30 minutes of Bob Ross "Joy of Painting" series and you'll be straight... th-cam.com/video/vafVy_0P6OI/w-d-xo.html

    • @shamrockballs1066
      @shamrockballs1066 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very soothing I agree lol

  • @ChefBoyareB
    @ChefBoyareB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    "We don't know what to call its life cycles, yet". "YET". Meaning they intend to learn and how else would they without taking the xeno?

  • @slackhackman9115
    @slackhackman9115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This kinda reminds me of the Chose your own adventure books that were popular for a time when I was growing up.

  • @MaxwellHallum
    @MaxwellHallum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Watchmojo just listed Ripley as smartest horror character that made a smart choice but it still didn't work well (nuking planet in Aliens). Thought you would like to know.

    • @GreaterGrievobeast55
      @GreaterGrievobeast55 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Well damn, usually watchmojo is a pretty terrible with their Judgement system but thats not a very bad choice. The only contenders I could possibly think of are maybe ash Williams or burt gummer given how they all three and learn from their respective movie monsters new behaviors and abilities.

    • @codprocamp4690
      @codprocamp4690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GreaterGrievobeast55 it's a Montreal based website, nothing from this city is legit, trust me I lived here for 45 years.

    • @thedoruk6324
      @thedoruk6324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +MaxwelllHallum Too bad that the WatchMojo is a huge sham that they have done terrible videos about alien verse

    • @al3k
      @al3k 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ah wow.. So who's the smartest horror character that made a smart choice but it still didn't work well but after another twist it did work out well?

    • @spookerredmenace3950
      @spookerredmenace3950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      watchmojo sometimes gets it right in their videos lol

  • @sebastianfitzptraick7395
    @sebastianfitzptraick7395 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Alien 3 is a masterpiece, sue me. Great video as always sir!!

  • @FranciscoRodriguez-lp6zg
    @FranciscoRodriguez-lp6zg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Alien 3 is one of my favorites! So dark and visceral!

  • @volodymyrbilyk555
    @volodymyrbilyk555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Sometimes I wonder why Alien Labyrinth was never adapted into a movie form.

    • @ab5olut3zero95
      @ab5olut3zero95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That comic series still creeps me out to this day.

    • @volodymyrbilyk555
      @volodymyrbilyk555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ab5olut3zero95 yup. It is probably the best of the bunch

    • @bernardstrauss1183
      @bernardstrauss1183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@volodymyrbilyk555 Aliens: Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels is what Prometheus should have been.

    • @volodymyrbilyk555
      @volodymyrbilyk555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@bernardstrauss1183 oh yeah, that story is so great. On a side note, music of the spears would have been an awesome b movie

    • @this_is_who_we_are
      @this_is_who_we_are 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      With Brad Dourif as Dr Paul Church 🤘🏻
      That would have been more fitting than this odd Dr Jonathan Gediman in RESURRECTION.

  • @coffeeelk6364
    @coffeeelk6364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Quite the interesting video as always! I absolutely enjoy any Alien 3 related content you put out. It’s such a unique and interesting film to talk about.

    • @42ndStreetMatthew
      @42ndStreetMatthew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree completely. Alien 3 is by far the most interesting in the series.

  • @johnbowles5399
    @johnbowles5399 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I love the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 so much! In fact that version of the film is my best friend's, and my dad's, favourite Alien film believe it or not. It's a truly dark and beautifully made film. My only regret is that director David Fincher was so badly treated by Fox during the production, and that his horrible experience while making it has made him hate this film. That is a real tragedy because the Assembly Cut of this film is bloody well made and a worthy sequel. If you like your sci-fi horror truly dark, as I do, then you have to love it. The original Alien will always be my favourite film of all time, but Alien 3 does not deserve any of the hate it gets. Just avoid the butchered Theatrical Cut when you watch it. Assembly Cut all the way, baby!

    • @LadyAstarionAncunin
      @LadyAstarionAncunin ปีที่แล้ว

      The assembly cut is great, a legitimately good film.

  • @YamatoNCC1701
    @YamatoNCC1701 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I just realized the title was "Bishop II",, also if we remember what Carter Burke said "those specimens would be worth millions to the bio weapons division" and so we know already that W-Y would keep the Queen and Ripley knew that too so she made the right choice.

    • @brianborell4469
      @brianborell4469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly, the company didn't send an entire medical team and a high tech ship to destroy the alien.

  • @FelisDestructicus
    @FelisDestructicus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think she should have just given him a hug, and let the queen tear through two bodies. Yeah, that wouldn't solve anything, but it'd be funny.

  • @zoltanvereczkei6372
    @zoltanvereczkei6372 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video as usual! Thank you very much for the time and dedication you put into this. It was refreshing to watch this video at the end of a busy day.

  • @googleplussvcksballs
    @googleplussvcksballs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would just like to point out how awesome you are to your supporters, you take actual thought and time to thank them. And very well done naming them Weyland executives and ladies in the Ellen Ripley Tier of Excellence. Def going to support your channel man, its beeb many hours now of great, in depth content!

  • @Genericwhitemail
    @Genericwhitemail 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    OH MY GOD you are SO on with everything I love about you! The timestamps at the beginning sold it, FCS! We love you @Aliean_Theory because of stuff like this.

  • @theyracemesohard
    @theyracemesohard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos are that good that I genuinely even enjoy all the patreon parts at the end... yet another brilliant video sir!!!

  • @badgerden7080
    @badgerden7080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love this channel. Best Alien channel on TH-cam.

  • @dragonskulle7283
    @dragonskulle7283 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Maybe Jack Dawson could of stopped her from jumping. In all seriousness A3 is just superb, the only thing that bothers me is some effects on the alien itself looks really dodgy and needs a new CGI overhaul. 1992 though, still in its infancy. Surprised they haven't given it a revamp.

  • @VideoSage
    @VideoSage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I do not think she would ever be allowed back into normal life- but forced into a job @ Wayland Yutani- questioned, and kept, as a security advisor- whose advice would be listened to, but frequently disregarded.

    • @robzilla730
      @robzilla730 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She wouldn't survive the procedure. One way or the other

    • @MrMUERETECTM
      @MrMUERETECTM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Please we both know that in the best case the company will kill her
      at worst they would occupy her as a guinea pig to test something like "how many embryos and operations to remove it alive can a person survive"
      even if they have her as an advisor regarding the creature at the moment they have all the necessary information they will probably execute her for some fabricated charge

    • @stevencohen624
      @stevencohen624 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have to agree with the second commentator. They would have either kept her locked away for experimentation or killed her.

    • @1994glg
      @1994glg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      #alienresurection

  • @solotravelermart
    @solotravelermart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Well in the director's cut Bishop clearly says you must let me have it, it's once in a life time think of all what we can accomplishe with it,
    Clearly means he just wanted it for the bio weapons.

    • @kevinlyons7321
      @kevinlyons7321 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also he is a second android 🤖🤖🦾🦾🦿🦿 but more advance bleeding red blood 🩸🩸🩸❤❤🩸🩸🩸🌹🌹🌹 instead of 🤍🐻‍❄️ blood

  • @darsis
    @darsis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is an excellent take. Thank you very much for making it.

  • @Neb30925
    @Neb30925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Then we wouldn't have had the perfect ending to this dark and poetic alien film.

  • @d0nKsTaH
    @d0nKsTaH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    At the time Alien 3 came out... no one knew just how evil Weyland Yuntani was going to be.
    There are two additional clues as to what was going to happen to Ripley.
    Both of these clues came after Aliens 3.
    Clue 1: In Alien 4 Resurrection: General Perez only wanted the specimen, he didn't care about Ripley, yet leaned towards 'disposal" of her.
    Now this has nothing direct on the story in Alien 3, however, it is a clue laid down by the writers and maybe the producers as to what fate was going to befall Ellen after surgery.
    Only in Alien 3, Ripley was even less "special" to WT than Ripley-8 was to the scientists in A4 ---who they wanted to play around with for a while.
    Clue 2: (and as you stated from ACM) In that Video game (and maybe the Book adaptation of Alien 4), it was passed on that NO ONE could survive the operation ---at least long term.
    It acts as a cancer spreading out tentacles into each organ and leading to the spot of the Xeno's artificial invasive womb.
    A constant drain on the body's nutrients being piped into that area over and over and growing back if parts of it were removed.
    Think of that movie "The Ruins" how that plant was roaming around just under that girl's skin spreading its spores and growing inside her.
    Similar situation with the Facehugger's spores it used to make its womb with.
    It would have been a painful experience to go through. This was in a way a hint that even WT knew this and would have felt they would be doing her a favor by ending her life.
    They also, would be removing the last witness to all of the Xenomorph's history on Nostromo and LV426.
    WT could literally make up any story ... cough.. "Complications" from emergency surgery" etc
    All in all, Ellen was smart and wise enough to foresee their murderous intentions once they secured the specimen.
    Thus she falls into the abyss.
    I don't like these two films at all. And if i could ever do my own film line of Ripley's saga with the Aliens...
    I would have her wake at the beginning of a film with her husband Hicks beside her... asking her "Which dream was it this time?"
    Crysosleep nightmares are talked about at the beginning of Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 movie adaptation books.
    Fitting to assign those two movies as "Cryosleep nightmares". To dismiss them respectably from the timeline.
    However, I would also consider a "5th' film, picking up from Alien 4. My brother had an idea about Ripley 8 and the Android making their way to Weyland Yutani and using their secret 'Time machine" to go back into time and try and stop everything.
    His story, has Ripley slowly changing into a Xenomorph herself... and ending up on the very Juggernaut ship that Kane got his face hugger attack.
    Ripley's last act in the film would be to try and warn the Nostromo with a beacon and a message.
    However, in a terrible twist of horror, at the moment she is recording the message, she has fully changed and her voice would be indistinquishable to the crew.
    Just think... Ripley and the rest of them listening (in that deleted scene) would be unknowing that they were hearing Ellen's own voice on that recording... its just that it was now a Xeno voice.
    Spooky ending... and that deleted scene could be used as the very ending to that "Alternate ending" film idea.

  • @gourdlord3064
    @gourdlord3064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When it comes to safe removal of the chestburster, I think it should be possible, but forever leave the victim weakened.

  • @chaz9808
    @chaz9808 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If she decided to go with wayland I think events would probably turn out like it did in alien resurrection with a few differences

  • @mattbatesteacher
    @mattbatesteacher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    The cage was not for the xenomorph. The cage was to keep Ripley from moving and possibly harming the chestburster.

    • @nevermindmyname9153
      @nevermindmyname9153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The Cage was for the Xenomorph they thought was trapped.

    • @steveflatman
      @steveflatman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nevermindmyname9153 Because when capturing an 8ft tall enormously strong creature with a razor sharp tail, long arms and incredibly strong hands, what you want is a flimsy cage with big gaps between the bars! I wouldn't be comfortable capturing an angry dog in that cage, let along one of the most dangerous creatures ever put to film!!!

    • @nevermindmyname9153
      @nevermindmyname9153 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@steveflatman They only learned of Ripley being impregnated a few Hours before hand.
      They were coming for a creature.
      And I am quite sure the would have thought they could knock it unconscious SOMEHOW before moving it.

  • @ozmozis6073
    @ozmozis6073 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Liked this. Thanks for making it. Very well done!

  • @mcj5644
    @mcj5644 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice video. I always wondered if “Bishop II” was human. As for Ripley’s fate if she had trusted him, they would have extracted the Queen from her and thrown her corpse away like trash.

    • @kevinlyons7321
      @kevinlyons7321 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably another android if you. Notice peace of his ear 👂 hanging but instead of white 🤍🐻‍❄️ blood it bleeds red ❤❤blood probably color blood red to have her think hes human but more advance android beeding red ❤🍓 blood ❤️❤️🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🌹🌹🤖🤖🤖🦾🦾🦿🦿

  • @lesleyhulshoff6563
    @lesleyhulshoff6563 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this channel! Very informative! It had me answerd so many questions!😁👍... gr from Amsterdam Netherlands

  • @VanwolfsterLycan
    @VanwolfsterLycan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Experimented on indeed, I have to re-watch this and the others, kind of miss them.

  • @comet30265
    @comet30265 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video man. Keep up the great work

  • @barnabaszu
    @barnabaszu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video man!

  • @TheScienceofnature
    @TheScienceofnature 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The company had obvious intentions to collect a specimen as evident in Aliens. Their reputation throughout the films and extended universe is clear. Wayland Yutani has a psychotic mentality with no regards for the well being of humans. They wouldn't send out a team like that for the sole purpose of buying out Ripley's contract and giving her a perfect life. Its not in their nature. In fact, if they didn't believe an alien specimen existed on the planet, they would more likely leave Ripley to die if only to prevent her from suing the company for putting her in harms way so many times. So I am certain that the company was there to collect a specimen, not for Ripley.

  • @Dimetropteryx
    @Dimetropteryx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They wouldn't have taken it out of her. They wouldn't even have considered it, even if it had been possible. All it would mean is additional risks to the alien.
    And they certainly wouldn't have been able to do it in the couple of minutes between the promise and the actual "birth".

  • @bradmyers941
    @bradmyers941 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job on the video, I love your "What if" videos. Reminds me of the "What if" marvel comic from the 80's and 90's.

  • @strangemonkey90
    @strangemonkey90 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for posting this. This alternate choice CONSTANTLY comes to mind.

  • @theonewhoknocks7350
    @theonewhoknocks7350 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video! Not enough love for Alien 3

  • @mythornshaveroses6472
    @mythornshaveroses6472 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've always wondered about this. Thanks!

  • @Grimreaper240sx
    @Grimreaper240sx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep them coming. Love the vids

  • @TheRubberStudiosASMR
    @TheRubberStudiosASMR 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    love your channel man. been a fan for years.

  • @jdfoster23
    @jdfoster23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    But why are the company so obsessed with the xenomorph specimen? What do they plan to do with it? It's not like they could control the creature and use it as a weapon against foreign enemies etc

  • @TheOtherMJ_76
    @TheOtherMJ_76 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just when I think my time subscribing to your channel has run its course, you go and upload a gem of a video like this one. Outstanding!😁👍

  • @DamonCzanik
    @DamonCzanik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like my version: Alien 3 was all just a dream in hypersleep and everyone who survived Aliens didn't get killed off.
    I don't see any scenario where the company wouldn't kill her. She wasn't killed in Resurrection because of plot armor.

  • @bryantaylor9874
    @bryantaylor9874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Anyone else notice Bishop tipped his hand and Ripley missed it. He said we don't know their life cycles yet... yet, as in we will soon.

  • @derekrwatson346
    @derekrwatson346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never thought she had time to go with them, even if she wanted to.

  • @dr.j1416
    @dr.j1416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome “what if” video!
    I also want to pin point out that in Batman vs Aliens 2, that comic also showed that Xenomorphs can be removed from their host during surgery. If that’s cannon or not with the Alien movies is up to you and others, but just a theory I wanted to throw in.
    Also, the Batman vs Aliens comics are awesome! Definitely worth checking out!

  • @cobraninja2968
    @cobraninja2968 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome look with candles

  • @mattfox2387
    @mattfox2387 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really great video

  • @cesartapiacueto
    @cesartapiacueto ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the video my friend

  • @creepycraiyons3519
    @creepycraiyons3519 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ripley waking up on the Patna…lights flickering….wires torn from their harness. Blood. Oh no. This ship has been taken over.
    Computer: Arrival at Gateway Station in 2 minutes

  • @mickkelley4460
    @mickkelley4460 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic job!

  • @Terrordome3000
    @Terrordome3000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video.

  • @cpt_bill366
    @cpt_bill366 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can't conceive any scenario where Ripley is valuable enough to the company for them to rush out an expedition to save her and ensure the destruction of the alien. There is just no way she could have believed the offer.

  • @cantgetenoughoutdoors3258
    @cantgetenoughoutdoors3258 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your channel man very 😎

  • @chriscarrete5303
    @chriscarrete5303 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now that would be really interesting to see. It would be Alien/Aliens all over again. More so Alien with it running and hiding except this time it would be a Queen.

  • @Nostromo4261
    @Nostromo4261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Absolutely no way she’d ever trust bishop2. B1 was an exception. Her experience with Weyland reps, Burke, ash, the committee that shut her down, and the special order dooming the Nostromo crew had to make this decision far easier for her. He admits They don’t even have names for the lifestyle stages, how would anyone believe they understood how to manage or even kill the Zeno.

  • @badgerbush3556
    @badgerbush3556 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great channel.

  • @martink2953
    @martink2953 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Not exactly movie canon... but In the Alien RPG Corerulebook Michael Bishop is listed as DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS, BIO-WEAPONS
    R&D, AND SYNTHETIC DESIGN and discribed as:
    A narcissistic genius and creator of the Bishop series android, Michael Bishop’s ambitious and manipulative behavior catapulted him through the corporate ranks from a synthetic designer at Hyperdyne Systems to a senior position in bioweapons and director of special projects at Weyland-Yutani. His focus over the past few years has been to obtain viable specimens of p.praepotens for bioweapons research. He almost achieved his goal when confronting Ellen Ripley at the Fiorina 161 Class C Work Correctional Unit, but her suicide by immolation there prevented him from obtaining his prize.
    During the incident Michael suffered severe head trauma and has since received extensive corrective surgery and cybernetic implants in order to repair the damage to his skull. Unfortunately, the doctors have been unable to control his severe migraines and red-outs, and Michael has become dependent on highly addictive painkillers. Never one to throw in the towel, Michael has since operated on the Frontier, tracking down any Xenomorph XX121 leads and sightings in the hopes of capturing one and weaponizing it. His corporate transport ship the Patna can frequently be found docked at the W-Y corporate berth on Anchorpoint Station.

  • @MiClLC
    @MiClLC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the first movie it was "crew expendable." But in the second movie Burke talks to Ripley about sending back two face huggers and being compensated very well by the company so I tend to believe Bishop 2 was telling the truth about giving Ripley the opportunity to have a family and have alot of money in exchange for the queen.

  • @FR-dr6tu
    @FR-dr6tu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. I don’t know why did i found this video today. I was asking this from day 1

  • @smilefactory8286
    @smilefactory8286 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Marvelous Video

  • @mcphoney
    @mcphoney 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Learnt a lot there!
    I would be happy to see a third assembly cut with updated effects.
    The original (Alien3) will always be there wether you are a fan or not, I think the extended cut is the best version and it’s a shame that cut wasn’t released instead of the theatrical version.
    But combine everything with some new/polished Alien shots, I would I’d be up for that! Shall we start a petition to Disney?
    Keep up the great work! 💪

  • @koppsr
    @koppsr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember reading in a comic, all though I don't remember which one, that it was mentioned that humans who were hosts to a xeno, but had it removed in time, are irreversibly physically damaged. So even if she believed them and had it removed, and the company held up it's part of the bargain, she might have ended up with a significantly shortened lifespan. If any.

  • @alexjay8257
    @alexjay8257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your vids bud.

  • @nacho5510
    @nacho5510 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful channel..

  • @davidb7825
    @davidb7825 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent question

  • @kimie7479
    @kimie7479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome vid!
    Please do a analyse what would if Bishop was the one that went down to the Hive to save Newt in Aliens!

  • @KimPossibleShockwave
    @KimPossibleShockwave 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah, it'd tear its way out of her chest before they could even get a few steps towards the ship. If they'd have arrived an hour or so earlier, they may have made it.
    Of course, it's likely she'd have been disposed of during the operation to remove the Queen.

  • @CrazyKoenie
    @CrazyKoenie 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great work! Love the colour adjusted footage. She did have the greatest power at the end. But then the company decided to bring her back for extra profit. the company being 20th century fox. Alien Resurrection should never have happened. But a sequel to Alien 3 should. It’s very plausible to continue on Fury 16. Sold as crap. Then bought by a different company. The planet still has natural methane. This could be a business opportunity. A team would map out the facility to determine its integrity and viability. Only for the team of researchers to encounter an egg. While construction is underway to adjust the facility. The alien would go on a killing spree. No Ripley this time around ofcourse. It would be all new characters.

  • @inkwellflood8276
    @inkwellflood8276 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe the little xenomorph is so adept at reading the host it could feel the adrenalin rush and release of bodily DMT, that comes to a human near death, thus - burst out of Ripley.

  • @danielrydzewski5239
    @danielrydzewski5239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If the last scenario had occurred, it would not have been 100% certain to Ripley that the cause was the Alien Queen extracted from her. The Company would have insisted that the source was either the ship on LV-426 or somewhere new and its true that Ripley's sacrifice only delayed the Alien threat, it did not totally eliminate it. So while Ripley would have her suspicions, she would never know for certain if the blame rested with her or not.

  • @ExodusStudentMnstry
    @ExodusStudentMnstry 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was interested you left off the successful surgery removal in Prometheus. Excellent video as always tho!

  • @Private-Hudson
    @Private-Hudson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great film.

  • @nightjaw2233
    @nightjaw2233 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    would love to see more what if's about the alien films :)

  • @wabba67
    @wabba67 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great speculation, thanks. Haven't watched any Alien films this year, I think it's time to correct that this weekend :)

  • @tyrranicalt-rad6164
    @tyrranicalt-rad6164 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I wouldn't trust Lance Henriksen either, that dude just looks creepy ASF 🤣

    • @verticalflats2816
      @verticalflats2816 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You ever see Millennium?

    • @user-lq2nu6cn7y
      @user-lq2nu6cn7y 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Smokey McB ok?

    • @michaely409
      @michaely409 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Smokey McB Did he attack?

    • @volodymyrbilyk555
      @volodymyrbilyk555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's a space vampire, he fought for confederates!

    • @Monty-or9sb
      @Monty-or9sb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@verticalflats2816 i used to love that! Still got the DVD Box Set!

  • @macwade2755
    @macwade2755 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing Video Alien Theory! Could you do a video on what if the OWLF task force captured the City Hunter in Predator 2, please?

  • @raulvito6246
    @raulvito6246 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “We don’t know what to call the stages... yet” and “Trust me” yeah a recipe for disaster

  • @rodimus7926
    @rodimus7926 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the What Ifs videos

  • @user-ly6dd8xz8t
    @user-ly6dd8xz8t 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This scene resembles another one in Hard Target, where Henriksen's character also tempting a homeless veteran to be a prey in the human hunt.