Move Shoot Move Nomad - Amazing Milky Way Star Tracker - Southern Hemisphere Polar Aligning
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- Today I want to give you my thoughts on the Move Shoot Move Nomad star tracker. I've been using this brilliant little tracker for a while now and I want to run through my experience with it .. as well as a brief comparison with other trackers that I use.
We'll go out in the field to shoot the milky way and I'll run you through my polar alignment method for the southern hemisphere.
Always happy to read your comments below.
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#Nikon Australia wake up please, Richard is one of the best astro photographers and educators in the world, this pushes your gear to the limits and shows just what camera's and lens can do and he produces amazing works of art with mostly #nikon gear, get behind this man with 76,000 followers are you still in bed? Thanks Richard wonderful honest thoughtful review!
You're a legend Rob. Appreciate your support mate.
WHAT A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION THANK YOU!! Easy to follow along, some great examples, Was great to have a live demo and then back to the computer at home.
Thanks so much for your great comments David, very much appreciated.
Great video, really loved the shout out to Alyn Wallace
Thanks for checking it out David. Really appreciated.
Hi Richard. I've used the MSM tracker for a couple of years now and enjoyed it thoroughly. Purchased the Nomad recently and only using the laser to polar align I was able to shoot Orion Nebula using my Rokinon 135mm lens. I agree... it's a great lightweight tracker!
Take care, Jerry
Good on you Jerry. Always appreciate your comments.
Thanks, Richard. You are one of the very few who shows how to polar align in Southern Hemisphere. Good work. Keep it up.
Thanks as always for your great support my friend. I have to know how to polar align here as I have no choice ..!!!
Nightscape Images, I subscribed because your videos are super cool!
I very much appreciate your support my friend.
Well I nearly choked on my coffee when you said the Benro “promises the world but delivers Tasmania”! 🤣
Thanks for the very clear assessment, Richard. Those images speak for themselves. To be able to get 60s at 85mm would essentially cover me for all bases - and even then I only rarely go to that FL.
This is a seriously tempting proposition. The sheer weight and bulk of the StarAdventurer is quite a burden and takes up a lot of valuable real estate in my already overworked camera bag. My shoulders don’t love me for using it! The MSM rotator never really appealed as it seemed so flimsy. This could be an excellent Goldilocks-zone alternative. And not having to deal with the maddening SA battery compartment is a plus!
I wish MSM would organise their packages with a little more logic. In the U.K., you can only get the wedge bundle by throwing in a headtorch!!
Thanks heaps for watching again Paul. The Star Adventurer is a wonderful tracker, but I only use it with a power bank these days, as that power dial is awful in a camera bag.
I don't know how they worked out the packages at MSM .. it should be you add the pieces you actually want.
That head torch thing is bonkers - I am also in the UK and looking at the Nomad!
@@sarahjanereilly9335 Thanks for tuning in Sarah
Always a first "like" , then start to watch the video! You never let us disappointed!
That's very kind of you to say, thank you.
one of the best explanations of how to polar-allign trackers, i've ever seen. Thanks a lot.
Thank you so much.
I received my Nomad several weeks ago and found it very simple and accurate to use, much easier than the old MSM. Amazingly, I set mine up with a Newer rotation base and the Allyn Wallace V plate just as you showed.
I ordered the Skylabs phone mount because I hate trying to adjust the tracker from underneath but you were going to show us how you put that Arca Swiss plate onto that phone mount. I’ll need to figure that out.
Thanks for another great video.
You can see at 11.46 in the video. It's literally a piece of flat pine which I shaved to the same size as a typical arca swiss plate. Then I screwed it onto the Skylabs mount using 2 existing spare holes on the back. It works really well.
Another great review on the Nomad. Thanks for sharing your experience Richard. Have been thinking about getting the Nomad for those trips where you need to be light weight and compact.
It sure is light and compact Jeroen. And not overly expensive as well.
Hi Richard considering you bagged out star trackers last year you have really embraced them. Enjoy under the stars
Well the main reason I may have "Bagged" out star trackers would have been the difficulty in blending in foregrounds. With software developments this is now pretty easy . .so the workflow is straight forward and the results speak for themselves. The trackers themselves haven't changed too much at all.
Another excellent tutorial and brilliant images, thank you Richard.
You're always very welcome Les.
Hey thank you so much for this video!! It's just what I needed. I have an Ioptron Sky whatever and will probably be selling it and getting the Nomad. I'm up here in the northern hemisphere so will probably use the laser to align. Thanks again for a great video. Cheers from the PNW!
Thanks so much for watching, really appreciated.
As always, thanks for your advice, tips and wonderful images Richard!
You're always very welcome Kerry. Appreciate your support.
Fantastic Video Richard. If only we could fix the RFC Cheers, Shane
Haha, yes the poor old tigers . .but we have had some great success in recent years ..!!!
got two of them & still working that out :-)
Thanks for tuning in Brett. Do you mean you have 2 x Nomad's or 2 other trackers ..???
I have the star adventurer tracker and I have a very small barn door tracker. You answered questions I have been thinking about with this new msm tracker. The other one was just to prone to many issues. Now I will have to save up some money and see about getting one. As you said easier to carry not real complicated to set up. Thanks for sharing with us Richard. 🙏🏻📷☕️🍪
You're always welcome John. Thanks so much for watching.
Hello Richard, I have the MSM and I also had problems with it at the beginning because at that time I was photographing with a Nikon D800 and the 14-24mm f/2.8 lens and it was a very heavy set and it would also come loose, I had 2 or 3 scares, I solved the problem, I glued it on a V Mount Designed with Alyn Wallace with Silicone glue, it never came loose again, problem solved, but due to the weight, sometimes close to 30% of the 1-minute shots had trails, I switched to the lighter Nikon Z and started having problems with the motor. I bought it, the Sky Watcher Star Adventurer is my service tracker.
I'm thinking about buying the Nomad so I can take it on a trip, as taking the Sky Watcher Star Adventurer is out of the question as it's very heavy.
This video of yours was a valuable help for my next purchase.
As always, your photos enchant me. Thanks Richard🙏
As always I very much appreciate your comments Mario.
@@nightscapeimages.richard 🙏
Great review, Richard. You sold me on it but I just started using my SWSA with the Skylabs polar aligning platform. (What a wonderful tool that is!) I can certainly see the application for the Nomad when going on remote workshops, though. Thanks for all your helpful information!
Thanks Andrea. The SWSA is a wonderful tracker and very reliable.
A timely video Richard. I'm actually just now considering different tracker options. Many thanks for being so thorough in your review and demo!
You're very welcome Rory. Hope it's helpful.
Brilliant video!!! This channel continues to bring the absolute best information to help photographers. A true game changer in a world full of hungry enthusiasts.
You're very kind indeed my friend. I'm pleased you find the videos helpful.
Hi Richard, another great and useful video. I am totally with you on the MSM Nomad, I have been using it as a backup for the last 6 months or so with iPhone alignment and love it. Having something that can fit in a single slot in the bag is brilliant and means that it going to go to more locations, which is what matters. Set up in 30 seconds and incredibly reliable. I have made peace with my Polaris and get great results with no hassles and I find it unbeatable for big panoramas, but the Nomad is so compact and light it means I know I will get to shots I may not with other gear (assuming I ever get a chance to get away from my day job commitments 😂).
I saw your excellent review of the Nomad Eric. Yes it really does a great job. Making peace with the Polaris is exactly the way it is ..!!!!
Great review, Richard. I am thinking of adding this third tracker and another camera in the near future since it’s light and simple to operate. It takes few hours to get to a dark site so it’s nice to have three cameras running to maximize my time out there.
Yes my thoughts exactly. Thanks for watching.
Richard. Sincere thank you as always: looks very useful and the big benefit of weight with travel is awesome. Have gone ahead & ordered one. Thanks again:)
Good on you Manjul. I reckon you'll like it.
Took delivery of my Nomad just before Christmas and it's been completely dependable - love it. Like you, my only criticism is the power switch which feels like it will fall off every time I use it!
Yes that's ma fair comment. I hope you continue to enjoy it.
Very detailed and to the point. Really helps one to make an informed decision to get this tiny tracker.
Thanks so much for watching Raymond
Fantastic video. Very timely. I've only got a few astro shoots under my belt but have been eyeing off the MSM for several months and have been about to pull the trigger but wasn't sure about the set up for Australia. I think I will try to 3D print a phone holder with 90 degree arca swiss plate for polar alignment like that one you have.
You won't go wrong with that setup Hank. Thanks for tuning in.
Fantástico.
Once again I appreciate you watching Rogerio.
Honest review, thanks a lot!
You're welcome my friend.
Brilliant - thank you!
Thanks so much for watching.
I have the MSM and Benro Polaris and love them both. I don’t think think I could do panoramas without the BP. It has worked every time for me. I think this might be because it works well with Sony cameras and you shoot Nikon. The MSM works very well and I’ve used it with up to 90mm. Appreciate all your videos, Richard. You have contributed so much to the astrophotography community.
I think you're right about the Polaris and Sony cameras. Most of the people who have great success with it are primarily Sony shooters.. Although I must say that the last few times I've used it with no issues at all.
I’ve used the Benro Polaris with Nikon bodies without issue once I fought my way up the learning curve. Looks like MSM has addressed the major issues of the original MSM tracker with the Nomad.
Lucky you! I've broken the camera connection port twice with adapters because I need to use a right angle cable. I love and have mine at the same time! 😂
@@JMNaturescapes - I’ve benefited from buying it after updates and being able to learn from others. I know what you mean about having a love and hate relationship….
@@JMNaturescapes - I’m a fan of your channel as well.
Another awesome video Richard, the Nomad looks like a game changer, being so light and compact should make it easy to fly with also.
Yes that's the only reason I'd buy it Dennis. Easy to carry and easy to use.
Thanks Richard for the in depth review
You're very welcome Sarvesh.
😅nice little tracker, great video 5hank you
Always appreciate you watching Phil.
Thanks for another interesting video. I have a SW GTi and not looking for a new tracker but it's always good to see what's new!
I reckon you'd be well pleased with the performance of the GTI Darrel.
@@nightscapeimages.richard Yes it suits me well as I like to photograph some deep sky objects like nebula. The GoTo feature is very handy!
Hi, Richard! This is exactly the content I was wainting for. I've just bought a Move Shoot Move Nomad and I'm waiting for the delivery in Brasil (a little bit slow). It'll be my first star tracker. Best Wishes!
I'm sure you'll love it Rafael
Awesome video.
Thanks heaps for watching.
Excellent Richard, been erring on which tracker to get for my wife for a long time. Your review especially commenting on its simplicity, accuracy and weight has helped me decide on this MSM model. 👍She'll be most pleased.
Thanks a lot for watching Mark. I think it would suit your wife just fine.
Hi Richard. SkyLabs now offer the Arca Swiss adapter. Love ya work by the way.
Thanks James, yes I was just notified about that.
Awesome bit of gear Richard, gratitude review. Love your work mate
Always appreciate your comments Brad mate.
THANK YOU. Richard! I had no success with the original msm. It looks like msm made the adjustments needed to make the Nomad MUCH BETTER! I am considering it. This video was AWESOME! Thank you for all the time you take to share with us!!
I'm really pleased you enjoyed the video Helen. Always happy to help.
Another great video and good to see the new tracker .. just be careful with neewer plate .. mine gave me grief twice with it being stuck and started moving despite being locked ! Had to remove it with a lot of force from the Wedge this morning ..
Thanks Virat, I'll keep that in mind. I wanted something small and light weight. . but I'll treat it with kid gloves.
Another terrific review!
From what I've seen, by the time you buy the MSM kit the price is fairly close to the Sky Watcher similarly equipped. Maybe a comparison between the MSM and another should include setup time.
Yes you are probably right Leon. I love the sky watcher trackers but this one is certainly smaller and lighter.
@@nightscapeimages.richard So true. I do wish the Nomad had 1/2 speed.
@@leonfisher I've never found a reason to use the half speed option on a star tracker.
Yep I must get some glow tape to use on my tripods and I find my New car with it's black interior is a pain for finding camping and camera gear in the dark of the Night! Glad I Brought a camera Bag with a light color interior to help when finding stuff when out at night..
These are the 1% er's John, but very important.
I’ll happily take one of those trackers off you Rich. 😉
Haha, well I might need to use them all one day ..!!!
Thanks Richard. Wonderful photos as always. I have the original MSM and it’s total garbage on my opinion. Hopefully the new one works better for you. Based on last experience with them, I think I’ll stick with something more reliable.
Thanks Brian. I didn't bother with the original MSM but this one seems pretty good so far.
Great video Richard! There is a hype with this tracker at the moment and it’s great to know your opinion.
I guess it's always like that with any new device. But I reckon they got this one right.
What would you suggest for milky ways? The 20 or the 14-30 if you would only have one lens?
Both attached to this tracker.
Fantastic coverage Richard, I've just gotten the Nomad too and have found much the same as what you covered here. Unreal how we manage to collect gadgets, I have 5 trackers now too. Perhaps we need to set up a support group for those like us that can't seem to stop at one 🤔?
Haha, yes it does become quite excessive doesn't it Dominic. Well I guess some people collect sports cars .. so we can't complain too much.
Great video Richard, usual Ozzie straight up facts which are very helpful. Some great results too especially for such a light weight thing and up to 85mm.. I think I need one of these in my bag.😊
Thanks heaps for watching, really appreciated.
Thanks Richard, great review but you've now cost me $250 when I purchased one. Still, I should be able to get $250 back in scrape for my Polaris! 🤣🤣
My unit has arrived but I've noticed the little allen key they supplied doesn't fit the locking grub screw in the attachment plate or the screws on the Arca Swiss plate. Did you have the same thing? I can't see where else the allen key could be used. I think they're just including the wrong key. No big deal, a 3/32 allen key fits fine but just a little strange.
Thanks Richard, as usual, very informative. I'll have to think about what I'll do, might continue stacking for awhile. I don't want to be the bloke with all the gear and no idea. Thanks again. 👍
That's actually a really good way to look at it Michael. It certainly is a progression.
Would it be practical to mount the MSM onto a 3 Way geared head Richard? If I decide to buy a tracker further down the track, I'm thinking of the gear I already own, and not having to outlay extra $s for a ball head. Thanks
@@michael.tjf.fotography Yes that would work ok for sure. The 3 way geared head would be much better than a ball head underneath the Nomad.
Great review Richard, I have the original MSM but no longer use it due to the anxiety inducing unscrewing issue. With an astro tour to Indonesia coming up later in the year though, I'm thinking this could be a better option than lugging my existing skywatcher star adventurer around where space and weight savings will be paramount. Wonder if they'll take the old MSM back as a trade-in 🤔
Haha, good luck with that one Greg. The Nomad is very small and light for sure.
That's my thinking!
I'm in northern Hemisphere. When CCW heavy, it would unscrew, slamming camera into whatever stopped it. I communicated with MSM at length. This was a few years back. They admitted they where aware of the problem. Basically hoping no one would be too bothered. Shame on them. They should offer a trade on discount. When I'd try to tighten it further, the gears would jump teeth. I find the "V" plate put the weight out further, compounding the problem. I want the nomad, just bothered by the company.
I've used mine with Rokinon 135mm. It was good, with a reasonable PA.
@@mikehardy8247 Thanks for your insights Mike. It's a story I've heard a few times now.
Another great video Richard, great to hear the stability, reliability and consistant results, I love how it is just a switch on and off, no laptop, no phone just simplicity with solid results. I was looking at the Mini, though this may be a good option to try and through in the bag. saves the weight of the Skyguider Pro. Thanks for sharing :)
Thanks Alan. Yes it's pretty good. The Mini is also very good. And you can make that one work without needing to connect via the app also.
I have the original version and it works great up in Scotland
Yes I think a lot of people are getting good results with it James
Thanks Richard. Really impressive. I've been watching MSM for a few years now, but always thought they were too light-duty for my D850 with a 16-35 f4 lens setup. You didn't mention (or I may have missed it) its payload. Also, and this goes for all of these types of equipment, they are missing a bit of safety. I wish they would make the rail mounts (either Vixen or AS) with a positive stop in case you untwist the wrong knob in the dark...
Thanks again for watching Paul. The payload listed for the Nomad is 3.2 kg. The weight of the D850 plus 16-35f4 is about 1.75kg. I agree about the safety issue but this unit is far better than the original MSM rotator in this regard. I did find that when using the Alyn Wallace V mount it stops the ball head/camera from sliding all the way off if the arca swiss plate is loosened.
@@nightscapeimages.richard thanks for the first hand beta... I just ordered an Alyn Wallace mount after seeing this video... As always, you are a great source of inspiration, information, and indoctrination.
@@berthaduniverse Thanks again.
Nice Video! Thanks, but I also have the Sky Watcher Star Adventurer and M2M, and I found out I get better results with Sky Watcher Star Adventurer.
That Star Adventurer is a wonderful tracker. Do you have this Nomad version or the original Move Shoot Move ..??
Amazing video, Richard! I always find myself coming back to the nomad.
I just bought the Polaris and boy do I love it when it works. Im always shooting in portrait with my L-bracket so i need to purchase adapters so i can use 90⁰ cableds that benro doesnt supply. Ive broken the polaris twice with adapters and have only used it 5 times now. I love panos so the automation is a huge plus.
I would like a tracker that could handle both landscape and deepspace so the Ioptron has always been another option ive thought of.
Cheeres from the US!
Thanks so much for watching, always appreciated. Sounds like you're searching for the Holy Grail of trackers . .doesn't quite exist just yet though ..!!!!
@@nightscapeimages.richard if only the GTI could do automated panos and polar alignment like the polaris!
@@JMNaturescapes Yes the GTI is a wonderful tracker . .but nowhere near as portable as the Polaris.
Great video and it seems like a nice tracker. I looked at their website and what seemed odd is they only offer the wedge in a package with the rotator and a bunch of other stuff. That seems odd, considering the tracker(or as they call it "the rotator) uses an ARCA-Swiss mounting. I guess the thinking is that you'd use a ballhead as the wedge.
Yes I think a lot of people do use a ball head as the base. Not a smart move in my opinion. The MEM wedge isn't as solid as the Sky Watcher one .. but I think it's ok for this light weight tracker. I also don't quite understand their packages.
Another great video, thank you, Richard. As a user of the MSM Rotator, I was very interested to watch this review, and it does look a lot better / simpler. On a completely different note, would you consider doing a video on how to prepare nightscape images for printing? If you print them yourself or send them away to be printed, how do you get the quality authenticity of colour in the print. Whenever you do your pieces to camera inside, I am always distracted by your superb prints on the wall!! Thanks, as always, for such excellent content!!
Thanks as always for your great support Simon. I never print my own images, I prefer to send them off to a print house for that. For my nightscape images I always send them off a lot brighter as my experience is that most night prints come back too dark. The sign of a good print is the quality of the blacks. I've tried a lot of printers and this varies considerably.
I guess it's the same old result. .try various print houses til you find one that gives the results you're after. The good thing is that these days many printers have excellent products.
Hi Richard
Great video. May i qsk what tripod you are using
I am using the Artcise AS80C carbon fibre tripod.
Richard, another great video. Sorry for the digression but which tripod are using and which seems quite solid in its own right?
I'm using the Artcise AS80C. It's a great tripod.
Another great video, Mr. Tatti. By the way, can you post the link to the smartphone support that you use to align with the application? Thank you again!
Certainly. I'm using the Skylabs phone adaptor. See here: www.skylabs.co.nz/product-page/skylabs-nz-polar-alignment-adapter
@@nightscapeimages.richardthank you!
Can you put your phone in the alignment bracket upside down and align to the north celestial pole that way? Clear skies!
In theory I'd say you could except that it would be a lot harder to read the screen.
Hi Richard, thanks for another awesome video! Do you have a link to the V mount and the ball head by chance? Thanks!
Thanks for watching. V mount is available from MSM. www.moveshootmove.com/products/z-v-platform-designed-with-alyn-wallace-preorder
This is the ball head I used in this video: www.amazon.com.au/INNOREL-G40-Panoramic-Ballhead-Camcorder/dp/B098QF5WJT/ref=asc_df_B098QF5WJT/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=463537492308&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16760540189559562757&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9071496&hvtargid=pla-1463733288628&mcid=85477bc4a02a35eeb9220d196d31b8cf&th=1
You could use any low profile ball head but I like the flexibility of these one's.
Thanks for a great review, Richard. I sold my MSM and accessories last year as I wasn't using it enough. This new MSM product looks tempting. Thanks also for your recommendation of Sky Safari. Now I just have to figure out how to get to the polar alignment view on it. Finally, aren't the Alyn Wallace V and Z plates supremely useful ?
Thanks so much for watching Geoff. Yes the V & Z plates are a wonderful invention that's for sure.
Richard, thank you so much for your awesome videos. I have been following you for years. I am interested in getting a star tracker soon. Would the Move Shoot Move be a good first one to get? Does this support longer lenses? Keep up the good work. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks so much for your great support. I like the MSM Nomad for wide angle lenses rather than the original MSM Rotator. For longer lenses I'd go with the Sky Watcher Star Adventurer.
@@nightscapeimages.richard Thank you.
This looks like an awesome tracker. I love the fact that its lightweight. Something to look into 😊. Thanks Richard. Love your work, you are always thorough and informative. 😊
Maz, you are always so kind my friend. Thank you.
Another excellent and informative video, Richard. My question is, what is the payload for this MSM Nomad?
Thanks so much for watching Philip. It's listed as being 3.2 kg's which is a lot for a small tracker.
Hi Richard. Awesome video as usual. Can I please ask what the device is you have hooked up to the camera hot shoe. Thanks
Thanks for watching James. That's a wireless shutter release. I use this all the time. www.amazon.com.au/YONGNUO-RF-603-Wireless-Trigger-generation/dp/B00HRSW3TE
Great review. Thank you! I'm finally switching to mirrorless. I'd be interested in knowing how much your lenses weigh, just to have an idea of total weight on the tracker or at least how much the heaviest lens you've used weighs.
Thanks for checking it out Derek. The Nikon 14-24 f2.8Z is my heaviest lens at 650 grams/1.43 lbs. The Nomad is rated at 3.2 kg so it well and truly handles all of my gear. I wouldn't use this tracker with big heavy lenses though.
Richard, just a question regarding SkySafari 7 Plus: How did you put that cyan/green dot in the center of the screen (like a target)? I was unable to see this point in my app, so It's difficult to know if my phone is really pointed to the South celestial pole. Thank you so much.
There are some hidden menus in the Sky Safari 7 Plus menu. Check out the end of this video. th-cam.com/video/5D_n6ZtsZ4o/w-d-xo.html
It worked, Richard. Thanks so much!
Hey mate love your work very inspiring , my night landscape photography is just beginning , I’m an accomplished photographer currently shooting with a Nikon d500 , mainly wildlife but after shooting the Milky Way for the first time last month im hooked , at this stage of my life my wife is battling incurable cancer so I won’t be able to afford any new lenses for my kit although I can afford the move shoot move rotator , I think I will benefit more from a tracker with this camera / lens set up than a 1.8 wide prime , eventually I’ll move to mirrorless and keen on the z8 when it comes down in price in a few years , well worth dreaming of
Photography has been so helpful to take my mind off cancer as much as I can when I get a chance to shoot
I live in central nsw Cobar so just need the basic rotator kit I think ?
I have
Tokina 11-16 2.8
Sigma 17-50 2.8
Nikon dx 35mm 1.8
Plus longer lenses for wildlife but the above three will be my lenses for nights for a fair while yet
What do you think would be the best lens to use of these , im assuming the tokina without a tracker and the other two with a tracker.
I have a good tripod with a benro gh5c gimbal head with a leveller , the original ball head that came with my tripod I assume will be fine for the rotator instead of buying a package that includes another ball head? I also think I’ll need the v plate and a phone holder for alignment?
Can you suggest a good tripod $200-300 aud for a set up as I’d like to leave the gimbal as is on its own tripod
At this stage
New tripod?
Rotator move shoot move
V plate
Phone holder
Any suggestions of anything I’m missing as far as tripod rotator set up would be greatly appreciated
If you’re ever in Cobar look me up I’ll show you around the bush , mines etc
I agree I’m well aware of you get what you pay for but sometimes there are some good affordable options
Thanks Mark. I think you seem to have it pretty much sorted. I use a couple of these and they are great for star trackers. www.amazon.com.au/INNOREL-Professional-Birdwatching-44pounds-Adapter/dp/B07JYZW9RF
I hope you can get it all working.
Hi Richard, thanks once again for a very enlightning video. I had never heard of the Nomad but it does look interesting. As you know, I am sitting on the fence re the Benro Polaris and I think your comment in this video sums up my deep down hidden feeling. I even bought the video course from Dan Zafra, just to be more informed. I would really be interested how you accurately do panoramas, does your rotation plate use clicks or do you just use the degrees marked on it? I think at present, I will stick to the SA, it is sill a great piece of kit.
Thanks David. For normal tracking you don't need the Polaris. It's really useful for automated tracked panoramas .. but that's it's one wood as far as I'm concerned. Way too many hoops to jump through for standard tracking shots.
To be honest, panoramas don't have to be accurate. . as long as there is sufficient overlap between shots they will stitch ok. Often I have variations with the overlap between 50% and 80%. They still work fine.
Maybe I take more shots than I need to but that's ok. On a standard tracker or tripod . .i guess the overlap based on position of stars in the scene. I've never used a clicking rotator .. but many other great photographers do use them.
coming to oz in July with a original MSM what will be in the sky in Queensland. How will stop it dropping the camera never thought or heard of that happening before. Do i need a Nomad?
Well I'm not an expert with the original MSM but lots of people down here have had this issue. See this video: th-cam.com/video/E412EC_5gJ8/w-d-xo.html
Many thanks - clear and comprehensive. Convinced me to try one out. Do you find the msm wedge to be robust enough for reasonable loads eg Sony a7iii plus 20mm lens. Bit concerned about the altitude locking. Cheers, Des
Thanks for watching Des. Yes I had to tighten that lever up a loot as well.
Hello Richard,
An excellent video that is easy and pleasant to watch. (like all your videos they are engaging).
I'm planning to take a panorama of the Milky Way under the darkest sky in the Bieszczady Mountains and I have two questions about the equipment I lack:
1) At 3 minutes and 18 seconds and 3 minutes and 57 seconds of the video you mention "rotating base" - what model is it? Which NEEWER model would you recommend in this matter?
2) At 4 minutes and 57 seconds of the video you mention the INNOREL fortographic head with a plate for taking panoramas - which model is it?
Thank you in advance for all information
Greetings from a loyal fan since 2018 🤩
Andrzej (ax) from Poland
Thanks so much Andrzej. See these. www.amazon.com.au/Panoramic-Panning-Aluminum-Panorama-Capacity/dp/B07T9KQZBF/ref=asc_df_B07T9KQZBF/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=463597831805&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15110088133831341529&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9071496&hvtargid=pla-815595478745&mcid=0ee9fa695d4a380aad7d0513301c5f92&th=1
www.amazon.com.au/dp/B098QF5WJT?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
www.moveshootmove.com/products/z-v-platform-designed-with-alyn-wallace-preorder?variant=44434868437209
1. I have been wondering why I have not seen you using iOptron quite a while so now I have known the reason of that.
2. One of the reasons why I sold my MSM (First Version) long ago is exactly the reason you are talking about. Yeh I was feeling afraid of my camera fallen down all the times while using it yes It s not be able to be tighted securely in Southern Hemisphere use case. I tried the lock tight as well but It is not meant to be like in the first place anyway.
Question : How did you secure the Allyn Wallace V mount with the red base cap of MSM ? Is it possibly unscrewed itself while tracking?
The ioptron is a fantastic tracker and if I was shooting longer focal length images it would be my go-to because of the ipolar camera. The V mount is attached the same as a ball head would be. Screwed in from inside the red cap. It's really tight and has never come loose .. but there is also a small grub screw in there to help with that.
@@nightscapeimages.richard I bought iOptron Ipolar just after you had a review on it a year ago. I found it from your review its iPolar is very handy but we need to see the star in oder to do iPolar and yes a hussel to carry around the laptop while hiking. However, it is very accurate iPolar, I did try 50mm 2 mins / 50 images consecutively all done perfectly without star trail. I would still live with my iOptron and try the phone app polar align when I want to do 1-2 mins exposure just like what you have done, it should be fine for me. Only 400 grams heavier than that MSM though. and imo If we need a really long exposure with longer focal length (85mm plus), MSM would struggle and iPolar will shine. All in all, the new MSM is very good as you reviewed, I would buy this MSM if I have not had iOptron.
Hey Richard love your content, I have the MSM original tracker I use in the northern hemisphere. I've always used the lazer, does using the sky safari app give a more accurate result or would you say there is negligible difference. Thanks
Thanks Adrian. I've never used a lazer, but one thing you can do with the Sky Safari app method is polar align in daylight, or cloudy conditions. Or from a position where Polaris isn't visible. I find it very accurate.
The Nomad looks to be a solid mini tracker. Did you figure out its weight limits of camera and lens combined? How heavy (lens and camera) would you think it could happily accurately track without trailing? 😎😊👌
Thanks Geoff. I haven't done any specific testing regarding weight limit. My motto with any of these trackers is to make note of what the manufacturer says is the limit, and then not exceed about half of that weight .. !!!!
It coped ok with the 85mm but I wouldn't take it much further than that.
My thinking is that if I want to shoot long lens deep space astrophotography, then I'll buy a strong solid mount with go-to tracking features to achieve that. The Nomad works fine with my Nikon or Sony prime lenses and they are the only one's I'll be using on a tracker anyway. Gone are the days of buying big and heavy lenses .. no matter how good they are.
Images look awesome mate…I too have to skyguider iPolar & it has been fiddly in the field…might have to give this tracker a go…how would u rank it amongst the other trackers?
At this stage it's keeping up with all of them quite nicely. As I stated in the video, my use case is predominantly wide angle astro landscape photography .. .and for that it excels.
Fantastic review and, as always, super images. Have you measured the accuracy of your star alignment app? I've found that my smart phone compass & star maps such as SkyPortal are not super accurate, would be interesting to hear from someone who has compared the accuracy of the software with a proper compass.
Thanks for watching. I did do a comparison with the ioptron ipolar camera which is super accurate, and the Sky Safari method described here. There was a difference but not a lot.
One thing I can say is that out of all the apps I've tried . .and that's quite a few, Sky Safari is the best.
It's probably something I'll test more in the future.
@@nightscapeimages.richard I'll have to search your archives for that one. Thanks! ☺
Great video as always Richard. Quick question, when you use the North Pole for polar alignment in the southern hemisphere, rather than the southern pole, do you still have tracker switched to southern hemisphere? Thank you, and keep up the great work.
Yes I do absolutely. It has to turn the southern direction .. it's just for the polar alignment that I look down to the north pole.
Thanks mate, just making sure!
Thanks Richard, great video! Just bought the MSM Nomad and I am looking forward to test it! By the way, which one is the ball head you are using? I am looking for a low profile one and better follow the recommendation of an expert!
Thanks so much for watching Josep. There are many good ones, but this is what I used. www.amazon.com.au/INNOREL-G40-Panoramic-Ballhead-Camcorder/dp/B098QF5WJT?th=1
@@nightscapeimages.richard Thank you Richard! Really appreciated it!
Some people collect stamp or insects or other "things" Richard collect trackers🤣🤣
Yes I reckon that's about right Nick.
Thanks Richard, Excellent comparison, I also went with Nomad due to it's size and simplicity. I have a question when you do polar alignment towards north pole do you keep the Nomad tracker with North settings or south? Please confirm- Thanks again.
There is no north pole to see in Australia...!
Yes indeed Hans, and therefore the laser is useless down here. But of course by using the Sky Safari Plus app I can see the north pole under the ground. It works a treat.
Thanks for watching Bikramjit. I turn the switch to rotate around south pole. The north and south celestial poles are on the exact same plane .. so if the tracker is pointing up in the sky to the south celestial pole by default the back of the tracker is also pointing down to the north celestial pole.
Hi Richard, what is the mount you’re using that looks like other opens like a book? I love astro but am struggling with the SAM. I have watched so many videos but I’m missing something.
Are you referring to the Benro Polaris ..??? www.bintel.com.au/product/benro-polaris-astro-3-axis-head/
It's a lot more difficult to operate than the Star Adventurer series. What exact issue are you struggling with the SAM ..??
Hi Richard, I’m a little confused about using a star tracker. I always thought a tracker needed to not only be aligned to the celestial pole but the telescope/camera also had to be pointed accurately at the celestial pole before then being moved via the tracker to the area of sky you wish to photograph. You seem to just be able to align the tracker and then mount the camera and point it randomly into the sky and get perfectly tracked stars. What am I miss understanding?
Thanks for watching Trevor. The only thing that needs to be polar aligned is the mount .. anything else that you add to it is just going along for the ride. The camera is irrelevant to polar aligning. That's how you can shoot to any part of the sky once the mount has been aligned properly.
What was the name of the device you used to do the polar alignment. I think that is exactly what I would like to use with my Skywatcher AZ-GTI in equatorial mode. Sorry if I missed the a link above that points to it.
Hey Barry, it's from a company in New Zealand called Skylabs. See here: www.skylabs.co.nz/product-page/skylabs-nz-polar-alignment-adapter
But I'm not 100% sure it's compatible with the GTI.
@@nightscapeimages.richard Thanks I'll look into it.
@@nightscapeimages.richard Just chatted with them and it looks like it is compatible. Thanks for pointing out this little accessary.
Hi Richard. I have Sky Safari 7 plus but I don’t see the compass icon that’s shown on your app. How do I turn that on? Thanks
Have a look at this video at 19:15 onwards. th-cam.com/video/5D_n6ZtsZ4o/w-d-xo.html
@Nightscape Images Hello, where to buy this 2-way level tool you use?
Thanks for watching. The bubble level is a common item but the nylon disc I attached it to is not commercially available .. it's simply a nylon disc with a 3/8" female thread.
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I'm still itching to try out my new (for me) nikon 20mm f/1.8 on my msm tracker, but we've got too much Sahara sand in the atmosphere right now. How long exposures are you able to from the nomad without trails? I see in several of your shots 120 s - is that the limit? And why do you stop down to f/2.8? I thought this lens was OK to use wide open.
Scratch the first question - 4 min is good enough.
You sure can shoot wide open with the 20mm f1.8 but it is cleaner stopped down a bit. I would rarely ever shoot beyond 2 minute exposures on a tracker.
@@nightscapeimages.richard I used to shoot astro on m43 and would often shoot up to the 4 min mark to keep the iso down, but I treated myself to a z7ii last year and am going to have to relearn the optimal settings from the ground up.
one question: when you power on the tracker? in my understanding it must be directly after polar allignement, right?
No that's not correct. You can power the tracker on and off at any stage.
Sorry I am new to the night sky scene, would you mind listing these pieces of equipment down, please? Thank you!
Thanks for watching Marvin. See the following.
www.moveshootmove.com/products/nomad-star-tracker-for-novice-and-experienced-astrophotographers
www.moveshootmove.com/collections/move-shoot-move-rotator/products/z-v-platform-designed-with-alyn-wallace-preorder
www.amazon.com.au/INNOREL-G40-Panoramic-Ballhead-Camcorder/dp/B098QF5WJT?th=1
www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07T9KQZBF?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simulationcurriculum.skysafari7plus&hl=en&gl=US
www.skylabs.co.nz/product-page/skylabs-nz-polar-alignment-adapter
@@nightscapeimages.richard you are awesome! I appreciate you 😊
i see what move shoot move but tracking and polar alignment i dont understand, those shots on tripod would have done the job but i am sure i missed something ??!!
A star tracker follows the movement of the stars across the sky. This means that we can shoot for longer shutter speeds than would be possible on a standard tripod. The earth is spinning on it's axis . .therefore the stars appear to move across the night sky at approx 15 degrees per hour.
I still don't understand how it Track the star, I have no idea about Star Tracker. If you could explain the theory for beginner.
Well the earth is rotating on it's axis. It takes 24 hours to do one revolution, that's where we get our day from. So if we are standing on earth, anything out in space appears to move across the sky .. very slowly, but over a few hours there is quite a lot of movement.
For example the sun rises in the east and at the end of the day it sets in the west. So a star tracker has an electric motor on board and we align it to the appropriate spot in the sky. . it then follows the stars, moon or sun at the same speed that they are travelling. Therefore they don't appear to move at all. This gives us the ability to take longer exposures and get cleaner and better images.
@@nightscapeimages.richard Very clear explanation about Star Tracker, thank you Richard. I will keep tune in to this excellent channel.
Hi Richard, I ask you, regarding the bubble level, how did you make sure that it screws to the base of the tripod to level it. Can you advise me how to make this change? A thousand thanks. I always follow you. you're a myth.
Hi Raffaele. I attached the twin bubble level to a round nylon disc that has a 3/8" thread inside it. That screws onto the tripod. www.temu.com/ul/kuiper/un9.html?subj=goods-un&_bg_fs=1&_p_jump_id=894&_x_vst_scene=adg&goods_id=601099512573711&sku_id=17592191430131&adg_ctx=a-322b18e9~c-c2daf47e~f-ebddf9ae&_x_ads_sub_channel=shopping&_p_rfs=1&_x_ns_prz_type=-1&_x_ns_sku_id=17592191430131&mrk_rec=1&_x_ads_channel=google&_x_gmc_account=710728018&_x_login_type=Google&_x_ads_account=2720833615&_x_ads_set=20878039836&_x_ads_id=157413511615&_x_ads_creative_id=685403347863&_x_ns_source=g&_x_ns_gclid=CjwKCAjw88yxBhBWEiwA7cm6pU2IC1JD71YuZ1uUpQt3vM-17tquhRAorcRwOyGND6YK3VmmGx3jdRoC5UgQAvD_BwE&_x_ns_placement=&_x_ns_match_type=&_x_ns_ad_position=&_x_ns_product_id=710728018-17592191430131&_x_ns_target=&_x_ns_devicemodel=&_x_ns_wbraid=Cj8KCQjw88yxBhD6ARIuADd_MpiYwpeJ36qcQSKlBNUlkF4SgzQ_Zk2owx9eMYT9YhvuuV7xt967SZBzgRoCchc&_x_ns_gbraid=0AAAAAo4mICHu5Wjpp8VA-Ym9NRIqOZWc9&_x_ns_targetid=pla-2088250705615&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw88yxBhBWEiwA7cm6pU2IC1JD71YuZ1uUpQt3vM-17tquhRAorcRwOyGND6YK3VmmGx3jdRoC5UgQAvD_BwE
"Lasers are banned here in Australia".... Oy, what is wrong with you, Australia?!
Also, what do you use to pew pew all those deadly spiders?
We just flick those man eating spiders out of the way. After a while they get scared and don't come near us at all. Lasers are pretty harmless .. but apparently the airlines here don't like them
@@nightscapeimages.richard They don't like them in the US either, but that didn't get them banned... Just don't point them at airplanes. Sorta like "nobody likes forest fires", but we haven't banned lighters. Yet. We can still make fire. We are not cavemen :)