Single, Stacked or Tracked - Milky Way Photography
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- I often get asked about which is the best option for shooting milky way photography. Should I just shoot single shots, or perhaps stack a number of them. Or should I go the whole hog and use a star tracker.
Well in this video I'll show you the results of all three methods on the same subject on the same night. Let me know your favourite method.
I'll be keen to read your comments down below.
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Richard you deserve a knighthood, this is a fantastic and well thought out educational video. Every image is award winning, however since you asked my favorites would be the tracked pano due to the colour in the sky and wispee clouds as it gives the shot atmosphere (to me)and also the single shot near dawn, again for the colour in the sky, as these bring a totally different aspect to the photos. Once again you have shown us to think outside the square and proved there are many ways to achieve a great result. Can't wait for the next installment. You are like Crocodile Dundee, the man from snowy river and Sir Don Bradman, mate, a bloody legend.
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Haha, you're a legend indeed Rob. Not to sure about award winning, but I did enjoy being out there to capture these shots.
Well Richard this is yet another great learning video from you so, thank you. While I like all three shots, stacked, pano, and single shot, I have to say that it is the stacked image that does it for me... Sharp, crisp, little or no noise, what more could a photographer ask for....
You are so right Les. There are many ways to get great results these days . .!!!
Great video, Richard. I’m blown away by the quality of your single shots in that dark location! Amazing. Your videos have such outstanding production quality - lighting, sound, b-roll all superbly executed. It’s a wonder you have time to take even a single sky shot! Thanks as ever.
Haha, yes I often wonder that myself. I hardly had any time to rest during the night . . although it's hard to tell that from the final video . .but you know all about that Paul. Yes very nice dark skies over here. Thanks again for watching.
The Stacked image was my favourite Richard. Stacked using Sequator maybe. A brief mention on what you did, on your next, processing video please. 🙂
Yes stacked with Sequator. I pretty much edit all my images the same these days. The stacking is done in Sequator but all else is in Lightroom and Photoshop. The photoshop plug in called StarXterminator is a must have. I also use Topaz De-noise Ai.
Thank you so much for this video.. love the part you quote about " if looks good composiontly, press the shot" Very awesome place those images. Always we learn a lot from you channel as I said the best astro photography channel in You Tube.
You're very kind indeed Luis.
Another great video with lots of details and knowledge shared. Thank you. As I don’t have a tracker I was particularly interested in the shots achieved without the tracker.
Thanks again for watching David. Yes a lot of people are exactly the same.
Спасибо Ричард! 👍
Thanks again for watching Mars
Thank you for another video of great importance. Here in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) it's very hot - 39° Celsius this week.
I hope you can find some relief from the hot weather Rogerio.
Thank you. I would love to see a follow up video on how you edit the singe image, and also the stacked image.
Thanks Roby. I'll be working on it soon.
Hi Richard it's great milky way season is back and your back on here more again
Yes it is great to see that beautiful sky again, albeit a late morning.
I’ve learned so much from you and never miss an episode. Thank you.
I very much appreciate your great support Boyce
Very reassuring to see that quality results can be obtained whatever the method! Thank you for your time and effort Richard. May get my 'old' camera astro modded, cheers, Paul. P.S. endless cloud up here in my part of the UK.
It's a constant problem Paul. I hope it clears soon for you.
Thanks again Richard, another informative video. My two cents worth...I love the stacked image! I was contemplating a tracker but have now decided to spend my money on a modified camera instead. Stacked images are on a par with tracked ones and a minor issue but for me, less gear to carry. Look forward to your next video. 👍
Thanks for your insights Michael. I think you are onto something there.
All of these photos are glorious Richard. I can see myself taking that single shot and trying to figure out how to do the untracked panorama!
Thanks for watching Vik. The untracked panorama is taken the same as any panorama. Just a collection of single exposures. Swivel the camera around to get all of the area you want to shoot. Just make sure you keep the camera level and ensure heaps of overlap between all the images. I usually overlap at least 50%.
Thanks Richard for this useful comparison.
And I very much appreciate you watching again my friend.
Absolutely love the shots with the sunrise in them!
I very much appreciate you watching my friend.
Fantastic video. I think I need to get myself into this part of the hobby....
It's a lot of fun Alan. Thanks so much for watching.
Richard, thanks a lot for sharing your passion and knowledge. As you asked for feedback, I can speculate that TH-cam make it's own processing of images, so will be great to have possibility to download final images and to check them locally on own laptop.
Thanks so much for watching Nick. Yes there will be some extra compression from youtube for sure. At this stage I don't have a download link.
Very nice video and beautiful pictures.. my favourite is the tracked shot and the difference in the dynamic range is clearly visible to me...looking forward for more... Cheers
Thanks so much for watching, really appreciated.
Great video Richard. Relaxing and enjoyable as always. There's something so soothing about those country settings and the way you always remind us to enjoy our time under the stars (especially with a cuppa).
Really looking forward to seeing how you edited that single shot.
Beautiful work. 👍👍
Thanks so much for your kind words Trevor.
Your channel is a fantastic resource, thank you for all your work.
You're very welcome. Thanks for tuning in.
Hi Richard, I prefer to track and stack my shots like you said since the process reduces noise and increases the dynamic range. Thank you for good advice on this subject. Sorry about the tea frustration!!! Jerry
Thanks as always for watching Jerry. Most of my tracked shots these days are singles .. often I'll shoot multiples of Orion and stack those. The stacked shots in this video are all on a fixed tripod not tracked.
You mentioned in an earlier video that you needed to change the wb to around 3200 in order to keep the forground color better represented. Do you set that via a gray card or simply change it within your camera? Also, are you considering using Patreon?
I set it in camera. This camera is set to 3300 with plus 1.5 on the green tint. But from there I do a lot of further colour correcting in post production. No I'm not going to use Patreon. @@user-re5vf3wl1s
Cool, thank you for the wb info...California is going to float into the pacific ocean soon if these storms persist so I will have to wait before I can experiment ! So anyway, I will just contribute via your website as before. Take care!
Another insightful and informative piece Richard. Thank you 🙏
You're very welcome Brian. Thanks for watching.
Another fantastic video. Thank you so much Sir 🙏🏻
You're welcome my friend.
I commented before seeing the last 3 shot comparison. Can see the benefit of stacking over a single shot. Also very keen to see the editing video you mentioned.
I may take a couple of weeks to get finalized David.
Amazing video and gorgeous photos! Thank you.
Thanks so much for tuning in Scott
Love your work! thank you for the great videos!
Thanks so much for watching my friend.
Thank you for another great video Richard, I’m love the comparisons. I like the stacked images. Looking forward to seeing your next one🙂
Thanks so much for your great support Julie.
Well, Saturday is off to a great start . All 3 are beautiful, topshelf video, thankyou
You're a champion Phil, thanks mate.
Richard, this is a fantastic comparison of ways to shoot the night sky. I’ve been shooting single image shots and single image panoramas. Last year I tried using a Move Shoot Move tracker and realized that the weight limit was an issue. I’m now considering a larger tracker to allow tracked panoramas with the Canon R5 and Sigma 40mm Art lens. I thoroughly enjoy the challenges of this form of photography and I’m constantly inspired with your images and clearly presented videos. Looking forward to seeing your video on editing. Enjoy your Summer.
Thanks so much for watching Steve. Yes I think the Star Adventurer would be a far better option with that heavy lens.
Thank You Richard for comparison of these three methods. Nice work-as usual. 🙂
Thanks so much for watching Peter, really appreciated.
Absolute masterclass of a video Richard, really enjoyed this. Makes me feel a lot better about my novice skills and basic equipment when you show what can be achieved without all the bells and whistles. Looking forward to the editing video you mentioned immensely.
As an aside, I hope your quiet part of the world doesn't get overrun with tourists now as it's been named "top town" in Australia.
Thanks as always for watching. I didn't hear about the top town in Australia yet.
Wow, the tracked and stacked really surprised me. It was amazing that the stacked , stacked up so well against the tracked. Even the single was good but the difference between it and the others was more noticeable. Nice work. :)
Thanks for watching Mark. I appreciate your insights.
Something that would be interesting would be to take about ten tracked and stack those.. :) @@nightscapeimages.richard
I have done plenty of those in the past .. it does increase the detail but unless I'm really wanting ultimate quality I rarely do it these days. Maybe when shooting Orion I'd be more tempted to do that as it's a harder part of the sky to get the faint details to show. @@marktimonen5359
Fantastic video Richard, with brilliant results using all of the techniques!
Thanks so much for watching Paul.
Great and helpful video! I’m looking forward to the edit on the single. Thx for the inspiration and insights.
You're very welcome my friend. Appreciate your support.
All beautiful. Thanks for
Many thanks Chris
Thanks again Richard for sharing your images and the steps to get these inspiring shots!
I have shot all three methods and I agree they each have their place.
I feel as you do that it is worth getting out and just relaxing under the stars.
Keep up the great work and inspires to get better!
Thanks so much Calvin, really appreciate your support.
Thanks Richard, another great adventure with fabulous results. A lot of hard work I think.Thanks for uploading. Cheers Robert.
Thanks so much for watching Robert. Yes it was a lot of work to put this one together.
Excellent work again. Look forward to seeing the processing of a single image.
Thanks so much Douglas
Fantastic video Richard, the three images are amazing, looking forward to the processing video.
Thanks as always for watching Dennis.
Very helpful video, thank you 🙏 I look forward to the edit!
You're very welcome Kate. Thanks for watching.
Always enjoy the cuppa breaks and each photo was spectacular as well.
Thanks Mike. It was a long night and the cuppa break was urgently required.
Fantastic video, very interesting and informative. You have the best video's on night landscapes around by a long way, thank you.
Very kind of you Doug. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for an excellent video. All three shots are great, my top choice is the stacked image. Your videos and tutorials are always a treat, packed with tons of valuable info. Thank you.
Thanks as always for watching my friend.
Thanks Richard for a great informative video making these comparisons. I have often wondered about the pros and cons of using a star tracker, and the difference in the end result.
I also look forward to seeing your editing video, in particular I hope you will cover your star reduction method. I use a method you taught previously, but my results are pretty hit and miss.
Thanks Julie. I have changed my editing method slightly. . the Photoshop plug-in StarXterminator is the key these days. www.rc-astro.com/software/sxt/
just found this channel, as a beginner, this is fantastic... respect from the UK.
That's very kind of you Ian. I hope you can find some videos to help you along your way. Always happy to help.
Thank you Richard for this very helpful video! Just what I’ve been wanting to know for quite some time!
Thanks so much for tuning in Oliver
@@nightscapeimages.richard Can’t wait to see your next video! Thanks again’
Another great episode ❤
Thanks again for watching.
Great video. Looking forward to that editing video for your single image 👍
Thanks so much for watching Dan. Tune in this coming weekend for the editing video.
Excellent video and information as usual. Not had a great deal of opportunity to get much night photography myself, but something that I would like to do more of whenever the opportunity arises and your videos have given me plenty of ideas and inspiration.
Thanks for watching Richard, I'm pleased you find the videos helpful.
Fantastic as always Richard 👍👏👏👏
Thanks for watching Brian
great video! thank you!
Thanks so much for watching Gabriel
Hi Richard, the three photos are excellent, Stacked and Tracked are very similar seen in the video, in any of the three photos the revelations are very important to be able to see the most subtle details of the milky way.
Thank you Richard for this video, we are waiting for the next one to see how you develop your milky way photos
I very much appreciate you watching again Mario.
Hi Richard, another great video. The extra effort wins out me. Clear skies 🖖
Thanks as always for watching Gavin
Hey Richard, TBH I prefer the first photo. I myself do a lot of singles on Milky Way and it allows me to get a lot more compositions in one night. Doing stacked and tracks kind of takes out the adventure for me and I cant see much difference between single, tracked or stacked. At least not enough difference to spend all that extra time on it. Just my opinion.
Great video and Fair Dinkum mate!
Thanks a lot Dan. There is a lot of truth in what you say and I know a lot of others agree with you.
Cheers from Okanagan valley British Columbia 🇨🇦
Thanks so much for watching Rick
Hi Richard, thanks for a very informative video. I must amit, viewing the results on TH-cam, it is hard to see any differences, they all look great. What I did notice was that the panos seemed more spectacular. I loved the location, as often the case, you always find great foregrounds and as you said, composition is the most important aspect.
I look forward to the video you mentioned, with the processing of single shot images.
Thanks again David for your insights. I have visited this location many times before but it keeps drawing me back.
Richard, you're definitely correct; composition ,access the photo! Also, loved your tracked image with clouds in the sky. Basically, single, tracked or stacked comes down to time commitments and weather conditions.
Yes that's correct. It was good to see all the different methods come together on this occasion.
Great Video, once again! If I had to choose, I would say the stacked is my favorite, it seems to bring out more of the building and the tracked ones, seem to make the building lean. I agree the single shots are always the best if you if it can be done!
Thanks so much for watching .. I love the stacked one as well.
Awesome video, Richard. It’s been exciting watching the last couple of videos as we near Core season here in Michigan, USA. I hope think in most cases, I lean towards the stacking technique because it’s so much easier than breaking out the tracker when cruising around different locations. I will say the tracker becomes much more useful (in my opinion) once you start going up in focal length. Thanks for the amazing content! 🌌
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Thanks for watching Jay. Yes you are so right regarding the longer focal length lenses . ..something I didn't mention in this video but I will in the future.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos Richard - great work & gorgeous images! You've made it very difficult for us to choose a winner because they all look great and I'd be proud to have taken any one of them! That said, as you have mentioned, the single shot doesn't have quite the dynamic range of the others. Looking fwd to the next instalment.....
Appreciate you watching Darrel.
Another fantastically explained video. It makes me edge towards tracked photos but confidence holds me back (Buying a tracker and failing) . At least where I live I dont have as many bugs. Thanks again.
Thanks so much for watching Adi. As you saw from this video .. you don't need a tracker to do stacked photos.
Hard choices for sure but I would go with tracked but very interesting to note that if time etc. are constrained single and stacked are very comparable. Thanks for doing this.
Thanks so much for watching John. Yes it's good to know that for sure.
Another great explanation and showing of the 3 different types. Personally I love the tracked only due to the extended detail in the captured image, though as you say most wouldn’t be able to tell when posted on socials. I think personally taken the little extra time rewards the final image. Great video as always. :)
Thanks Al. As with anything, that little bit extra effort is always worth it.
These are phenomenal photo's,
Thanks so much for watching Eric. Really appreciated.
Brilliant - really enjoyed this. I need to jump down the modified camera way but I do not have a second camera at the moment and i do a lot of non astro stuff as well which is holding me back from jumping that way at the moment.
Thanks for watching Jason. I'm going to do a comparison video between the standard camera and astro mod camera in a few weeks if I can.
Thanks Richard! Nice video and information. I prefer single shoot if possible,
A lot of people do .. but there are always more options available if we'd like to go there.
Ohhh looking forward to watching this later 😊
I hope you enjoy it Paul
@@nightscapeimages.richard Certaintly did Richard, thank you - great info and always very well presented! Got a Move Shoot Move for this Milk season, now I need to suss out some epic foregrounds ☺
Awesome!
Thanks for watching.
I am so envious that you could see the solar storm so well. I live in Northern California about hundred miles south of where you could see the solar storm. What an incredible night you had.
It was an enormous event that's for sure Fred. Thanks for watching.
Great comparisons Richard. Given how advanced your noise reduction skills are, even with single tracked images, there is not much between each one. It seems you were able to control the light pollution better with the tracked image due to the lower ISO, though in this case the LP helped to frame the foreground subject making it stand out better. Look forward to seeing the post processing video you referenced.
Thanks again for watching. Yes I don't mind some controlled light pollution to frame my foregrounds.
Richard, The stacked looked the best, but also like the single shot too. I think the issue with the tracker was that you were at the end the blue hour or that the time the natural twilight end.
Thanks for watching. Yes I think when the high level clouds rolled in they reflected the light on the horizon more.
Thanks! can't wait for the single image edits video!
Thanks Mark. That video is now available. Se here: th-cam.com/video/a1XyA7I4W3w/w-d-xo.html
As always fantastic shots and the explanation is always knowledgeable. I just recently bought a 20mm lens and did my first light painting shots following your advice. The final picture turned out very well, but gives me the drive to keep trying. I live in Ontario Canada so waiting on clear skies and the Milky Way to come back above the horizon. Cheers
Thanks for tuning in Neil. I really love the 20mm lens. Hope the weather turn for you soon.
Thanks for tuning in Neil. I really love the 20mm lens. Hope the weather turn for you soon.
Stunning images as they always are! I watch you out there fighting off the bugs as I look out at the snow. Then comes the famous trademark cupper and biscuit. Thank you or making and sharing these videos with us my friend! I always look forward to seeing them. Have a great weekend, and if you need some snow I can box some up and mail it to you, 😉 📷☕️🍪
Haha, well I wouldn't have minded a bit of cooling of the day after this video was shot .. but I'm sure it will come soon enough.
Another great video Richard, I think its good to remember as a tracker user we dont always have use it espescialy when we cant get a clear sky shot as in lots of trees, we can just use the sky in the foreground shots easily enough
Yes that's a very valid concept for sure Nick. We sometime have Blinkers on regarding what we have to do.
Great vid as always. I stack at the moment. Can’t wait to try my z8 with the new pixel shift mode for stacking 8 raw files or maybe even 32 raw files. Then aligning the sky in Starry Landscape Stacker. Waiting for the right conditions here in Guernsey.
Thanks so much for watching Martin. I reckon that Z8 would be wonderful.
Richard I know these techniques are some what of a repeat of your older videos!!! But I really appreciate your taking the time to go over it again!!! I think the majority will do the single shot version! I fall into the group that want to do the stacking! Very very few of us will do the tracking version! I am very very interested in how you do the stacked panorama (start to finish)!!! Please do the editing video that will be great!!! I appreciate your hard work and amazing talent!!! Thank you so much!!!👍👍👍🇺🇲
Thanks so much for your comments Marvin. Just to be clear . .the panorama shown here is made up of single frames only .. not stacked as such.
38C...oof. -15C in eastern Canada today...I like it warmer, but not sure I want it 'that' warm. Great images!
Haha, yes I think a happy medium is somewhere in between.
Thanks for sharing, Richard. I learned how to use the stacked method on this channel and this year I'll be giving the tracked method a try. The tracked, as you said, has more dynamic range. It will be more work in post but well worth it. It's about minus 13 celsius this morning so it needs to be a little warmer for me here in the middle of the US. No bugs here😊
Thanks for watching Don. Yes it's amazing how those bugs come out of nowhere as soon as the temperature rises.
Great video. Very hard to beat HDR images, especially seeing the single versus the stacked images. The HDR just had more depth, a bit more contrast and punch. You get what you work for...😊
Thanks so much for watching. Yes indeed, we do get best results by going that little bit extra.
Thanks Richard!
Appreciate you watching David.
@@nightscapeimages.richard You bet, Richard! Question: do you have a preference between mechanical shutter or electronic shutter for your Milky Way photos?
Obrigado Richard.
Thanks for watching Rogerio
Great set. 👍
Thanks for watching.
Do a video of how you went about getting your camera 📷 modified and if you can show the process for those who are interested in doing their cameras 📷
It's quite simple really . .I sent it off to a camera clinic. I'd never attempt such a thing myself.
great video Richard, i always do single shot milky way photos because it's looked more nature to me, stacked photos looked more fake., that is my idea. Well done for explaining the difference. Keep up the good work
Thanks as always for watching Patrick. Sometimes more detail looks fake to lots of people.
I do like the tracked image best. The lagoon nebula really comes out in that image. Great work ❤
Yes I think technically it is the best image. Thanks for watching.
Wonderful images, all of them. Hats off to you, Richard ❤.
The stacked and tracked images are better than single shot, as they contain more detail.
I very much appreciate you watching Amit. Thank you.
Thnx again Richard from cold overseas. Great content. Hope you didn‘t forget to pick up your camera at the end :-) I‘ll appriciste next video.
Thanks heaps for watching. My life is a series of dropping off cameras and then going back to retrieve them ...!!!
Hi Richard, great work as usual. I think single images are good for newbies and if you're lucky enough to have really dark skies. Where I live, stacking or tracking brings out the detail that you would get out of a single shot in darker skies. So in light polluted skies you don't get as much detail in single shots. Was that pink light aurora or dawn, there's no way we'd get away with that here, as soon as it's twilight stars are gone before any pink light shows
Thanks Suzie. Yes you are correct about the light pollution killing single shots. There wasn't any aurora showing, it was all sunlight. During summer here we have a very long twilight period.
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Thank you Richard,
Lacking software here, but I should shoot for when I have the software I guess
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Thanks as always for watching Gary
Great effort mate, all the images look stunning, but the stacked one looks best to me 😁👍
Thanks so much Dale, really appreciate it.
Nice video. I just add that the results depend a lot of the sky quality one has. With light pollution increasing the time with a tracker would not be possible as LP stats to clip while stacking brightness control is possible. On the other hand if one wants to shot with high resolution and larger focal distances tracking is the way since shutter speed is too limited.
Yes no doubt you are correct Raphael. I am blessed with Bortle 2 or 3 skies near to where I live.
To be honest I thought they were all amazing and the single stacked image was, as you say pretty close to the tracked image and that convinces me not to go down the tracker route just yet. I look forward to the editing video as I've plenty of room for improvement there.
It was very close indeed and I think a lot of people are agreeing with your sentiments Peter.
All the 3 images are breath-taking. The level of detail on the stacked and the tracked ones is a bit beyond what I could believe is achievable without some "hard" photoshopping, though. I wonder what the "Hydrogen-something mod" means and if it changes much. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching Anton. Yes there is quite a bit of photoshop involved in all these images .. single included. That's a necessity. The h-alpha mod does increase sensitivity. I'm going to be doing a video comparing that camera with a standard one in the next few weeks.
@@nightscapeimages.richard Looking forward to your comparison video, Richard. Subscribed to your channel not to miss it.
Im as green as the colour in your profile picture but soaking up as much information as i can. Your videos are beautifully presented with stunning footage.
Thank you for all this incredible information and training. Im subscribed 😊
Thanks so much for your support. I have lots of videos which i hope help in the future.
Another great video and as you said, all the images are beautiful (especially love the predawn shots). I think I’d still prefer the tracked images in general as I love the detail in the dust lanes and red nebulas you get, but that may be because I am sucker for pain and suffering 😂. I think most importantly the situation and subject dictate what will work best and the most important thing is to actually get a shot. Oh and a nice cuppa and biscuit is seriously important as well!
I agree with all your comments Eric. We are gluttons for punishment after all . .and that's why I bring the tea and biscuits along for the ride ..!!!!
Awesome images and very helpful as always. I've just looked at replacing my old Sony A7 and Samyang 14mm with a Nikon Z6ii (3580 NZD) and Nikon 20mm f1.8 (1797 NZD) and decided that for me, one of the very big advantages of using my tracker might... be to try some slower and therefore cheaper lenses, and putting up with setting up a tracker :) I will see :) I also don't put in enough time and effort yet, to get the very best results from my gear, especially not stacking, which I see made a noticeable difference to your images. So, you have inspired me to try harder, thank you for that! I would love to see some of the Z6ii single images without any noise reduction in your forthcoming processing video, I know they will be better than from my A7 but useful for me to see a comparison.
Thanks for watching Robert. Yes I'll run through my noise reduction technique . .it's not rocket science and I thin k lots of people do similar.
Try smoking cigars to keep the bugs away. Works well for me.
I actually liked the morning twilight images the best, but mostly because I prefer the cooler sky color. I gravitate toward a cooler color scheme in my editing anyway..
I also enjoyed the clouds. That adds interest to the image when edited well.
Thanks so much Derek. I'm not too sure I'd prefer the cigars to the bugs ..!!! Yes the twilight shots are something different for me . .I'm hardly ever awake at that time of day.