That Moment Neuvillette Got Nerfed And Fixed Within 24 Hours
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Neuvillette was nerfed and then fixed in Genshin Impact version 4.8.
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The fix has been rolled back now and 1600 primogems have also been delivered. This comment is made on the same day this video is posted.
Im thinking of downloading the game again because i want those 1600 primos (and navia) so when will that mail like go away from your mailbox? (if its already deleted i wont download the game)
Nvm i Just checked it expires after 30 days👍
i hate this. i hate this so much. i actually sent feedback to them when i saw this frankly RIDICULOUS exploit, and i was super happy and proud of hoyo for growing the balls to FIX something for a change. but this ridiculous community full of whiners had to ruin it. so nothing in this game cannot ever be fixed. there's no hope for it.
@@GenshinYuppe it wasnt a bug and made him feel horrible to play unless the enemies where right where you needed them
@@Arisxgon it was an exploit and completely unintended. neuvilette plays as intented on gamepad. on keyboard and mouse, he is absolutely broken not in a good way, just in a not-as-intended way, and needed to be fixed. it is not a nerf.
as for turning slow, oh no, you mean he had to have positioning like literally every other character in the game instead of being omni-ranged with a huge AOE attack from the middle of the arena? oh no! unacceptable!
neuvillette is already one of the strongest characters in the game without this bs. plus even with a gamepad, which moves slower than the speed cap, aiming really was never a problem.
Alternate title "Hoyo has been more active for the past 24 Hours than the past five years combined"
people love to downplay the QoL changes every single update
Artifact loadouts when
@@nexuhs. You and i both know damn well that what we got was after a competitor entered the market, should have been given wayy earlier
@@nexuhs. To be fair, Mihoyo only recently started their qol campaign. The game had borderline no qol changes for almost 3 years.
Mihoyo isnt exactly known for their speed in qol fixes to Genshin.
CN people bringing Hoyoverse down to their knees.
CN players were upset and threatening Hoyo, from what I heard, so I can’t say I’m too surprised they reversed it. Tho getting 1600 apologems is an unexpected, but a very pleasant surprise
oMG gUys tHe wuWA efFecT 🤪
CN players singlehandedly carrying global 😂
It is the wuwa effect lol, you think theyd give 1600 gems for free? @@pyronado4320
Maybe, just maybe, it was a 4D chess move so people have their attention on this game? I mean, we currently have several competitors with potential.
Doxxing and lawsuit threats of consumer fraud
neuvillette gave us free 1,700 primos byu pulling a luigi.
He gave like 2k total if you include past bugs
I love neuvi ong 😭🙏🙏
Ty for free primos
@Aerobrake is it available now?
So erm when r we getting that 1600?
@@illmentaly idk when.... but it's been stated that we will recieve the primos via mail " soon ".
I mean... if they're not willing to retroactively buff characters (like Deyha), then they really should not be able to retroactively nerf characters either. Especially with it being in the game for 9 months now. He's had his rerun, too, so changing it now just screwed those people over who whaled on him for the spin-to-win tech.
how its a nerf? Its obviously not intended. OR bu that logic Diluc spin to win should also come back. Instead of improving the game they should leave the bugs in?
well with Neuvi we have Benet situation where every abyss and new unit will have to adjust.
@@ixirion it wouldn’t be a nerf it they had fixed it way early when he came up.
The only character they ever buffed was Zhongli because of complaining from CN
Characters usually get nerfed in their betas than launch so this change was so strange
@@LUCAS420BLZ I think if I am not wrong in beta Ganyu was buffed as well ? Like damage ?
@@ixirion They should have fixed it when he was new, or at least said it was a bug they planned to fix.
just read the news, they should fix their "abnormal" wepon banner instead
I just hate them you know i know they should improve it
idk why they can do it 75/25 your weapon/lightcone choice in HSR but not in genshin. what a truly GENSHIN COULD NEVER moment
what news
@@nobergonagiveuup6277if hsr do that . Many peep will stay away from it.. monetization power on genshep..is stronger. That why even bad weapon Banner can still exist😅
Neuvilette spin to win is bullshit and they should have not rolled it back. It's such a stupid playstyle and is overpowered and boring way to play the game.
Reminds me of when they tried to "improve" yae miko gameplay by making her target only the nearest enemy instead of randomly within range. They rolled her back when they realized they fundamentally messed up the way her C2 worked.
Bro her C2 is just cosmetic
iirc they also said they will they will continue gathering feedback and will "improve" her attack targeting system. Still waiting for this
@@Jaxv3r I have her C2, it makes it so she basically has coverage over an entire domain or abyss floor.
@@NazmulhossainTahsin She is my main dps since her release, and her targeting system works fine, there is no need to change anything. So, if you wait for something to change, you will wait for ever.
@@OnigoroshiZero Target system has some flaws in the overworld. Not a big deal in the abyss but yeah she works fine. I wouldn't even thought about it if they didn't change her then revert back.
In Neuvi's words: According to the Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale Genshin has been found Guilty
🤣
And the verdict has been delivered
According to the *judgement*
This needs more likes 😂🙌🏻
Hoyoverse*
This was a post release nerf, which is strictly against the law in China.
That's why the CN players immediately rushed to report them.
Mihoyo was *extremely* stupid, to even try this.
Even if it’s not Chinese law, wasn’t there some sort of gacha law that states you can’t directly nerf a character on release? If it’s maybe a moba game than yes because there’s types of games buff/nerf characters all the time.
@@spacedorito9592they usually do balancing for gachas on betas that's where your leaks usually come from
The stuff about mobas don't apply as they actively need balancing and don't have gambling to win in them as their source of revenue because it would be a rugpull
I still got 500 pulls saved because.. nowaday im pull less and less for new char.. Neuv can last till celestia at this point. That's how insane he is.
No urge to pull or swipe🫡. Still pull some new char that i like but just get one and done. Put many efg on neuv basket seeem a right choice.. glad this nerf will be reverted.😂😂.
Maybe hoyo loses some revenue from people like me. On future banner.. though they can always rerun neuv if they want some boosts.. many peep still enticed to pulls for him for cons or weapon
@@SyrFlora Same. When you've got a fully built roster of 5* characters, you can demolish any content.
@@spacedorito9592yes, because it falls under false advertising. People pulled for a character expecting a certain output, if said character gets nerfed, you’ve effectively false advertised to get customers to spend money on something that is nonexistent.
Thanks to the CN players for complaining, WE'RE SO BACK 🎉
This only shows that if Hoyo really wanted to improve the game and listen to feedback, they could.
But no, they have to be pressured by the CN community...
@@youness4247im telling people, CN players literally can complain about the game, and then they actually make the game better. If they did more of this, maybe the game wouldn’t be so stale and boring to play for me
Consumer fraud is what made them compensate anyone lmao the CN players were obviously upset rightfully
@@youness4247 and the cn community spends more efforts complaining about useless stuff than good stuff (like that time they complained about scara stealing their nahida waifu from them)
@@youness4247 Nope, they do not give a shit about CN community. They hire KOL to control the public opinion. At this time, there have been lots of CN players hate them.
Guessing right now the Natlan team is being told to remove 1600 primos from chests/quests/events
Most certainly.
LMAO 😂
Fr 😂😂😂😂😂
@dad6666_ All gacha games do this, they plan out how much they can give to hook based on the statistical average hook rate masked as an act of "generosity" and people fall for it, each and every time seeing it as generosity. It would be funny if it weren't so sad how much these manipulative tactics work even outside games.
@@Ali-cya so basically we're just getting an advance of what meant to be ours in the first place 😭
Their only problem was not fixing it much, much sooner. It's been very obvious from the get go that fidget spinner Neuv was unintended, but they let it go unaddressed for so long that it became the norm. Plus it made it just feel like a grift to make people roll for Mualani.
Mualani looks a bit hard to play, the shark looks like a pain, if you’re enemy is stationary, although she seems great on highly mobile ones
gotta milk that Sovereign ass to the last drop
honestly such a hilarious situation, what an emotional rollercoaster. and I also contributed to the rollback by sending my feedback, so feels good
And i left 5 angry comments and 1star review on google play 😂 love how Neuvi is everyones favorite
Neuvilette spin to win is bullshit and they should have not rolled it back. It's such a stupid playstyle and is overpowered and boring way to play the game.
@@Goujiki I'm guessing you don't have neuvilette that's why your butt hurt.
@@Goujikithen don’t play him 😂
@@user-fp4pm4ey6c Kindly would you tell me what is fun about spinning your mouse around and pressing 2 buttons... "Fun?" Sorry but that kind of "gameplay" is actually the epitome of braindead. But most people think braindead shit is fun nowadays, so it's expected.
This was definitely a deliberate nerf. They noticed Neuvillette's usage rate in Abyss and wanted people to feel more incentivized to pull for the new 5★ Hydro character.
Yea right?
Honestly its not even that big of a thing and no it has nothing to do with his high usage rate. His high usage rate is due to him being busted af and having no weakness.
Not everyone have c6 and like playing in such high sensitivity and its pretty much pain for mobile players.
This tech is pretty much used by speedrunners just for fun so yeah it doesn't affect his meta value.
But it doesn't mean hoyo remove it especially after 9 months . Glad they got what they deserve. Lonh live CN bros
Man, I won't be surprised if they start making abyss cycles that makes it impossible to use Neuvillette from the next cycle. They did that with freeze from 4.0.
And also thank god we're getting a Hydro 5*, haven't got enough of those around
Unless they create hydrop res enemies its impossible and they wouldnt do that cuz of hydro girl in 5.0@boba8424
Neuvillette is so nice he gave us free 10 pulls
Thank you water dragon man!
And 100 primogems too
Really a champion for justice and fairness🎉
Istv
And all of that - according to the judgement of Oratrice Mecanique d'Analise Cardinale
they are giving a free 10 pull for a bug that got fixed within 24hrs but cant give more rewards for aniversaries? AINT NO WAY
Well, only one of those has possible legal consequences. Gacha laws are strict. Rightfully so.
I dream of free 80 pulls every anniversary lol
Tf? Anniversary is 20 pulls. Lantern rite is 10+3
@@peaismyrealname434that’s a huge amount of primogems for a bug fix tho, anniversary should’ve been better
CCP is on their azz for this because CN players is reporting it as scam, they better do well or get capped hard 😂
Better than anniversary rewards lmao
I really hope you are trolling
@@stefanrer1037 he isnt
@@stefanrer1037 10 pulls vs 3
@@tardwrangler1019 you know 3 pulls was not the Anni rewards 😂
That's why I say you all either trolling or parrots
For someone like me who never used that tech, i very much appreciate the raw primogem income our hydro sovereign has blessed us with.
Same. I already loved him as my best DPS character without the strat, but their bug fix actually... uhmm... made me lag when using him now. I'm glad they rolled it back before I left feedback about the issue that may never get addressed. -_-"
Yup, as a console player the super speed mouse spin is not achievable.
But good that they are keeping it anyway :)
I'm just mad I didn't think to try out for myself what his rotation speed was after the nerf and now it's already fixed back
@@webbedshadow2601 yeah me too. i actually asked for the fix 9 months ago. i was super happy that they listened and were willing to improve the game, even if it was super late. but i guess this community likes broken bs. on the other hand, this is basically a green flag to exploit everything you can without any shame, after all, it's exploits are good, right?
Watch Hoyoverse use those 1600 Primogems as part of our "Anniversary Reward" 😂
i wouldn't be surprised lmao.. they gonna throw some 10 pulls at max on anniversary along with nuv fix mail.. and ppl gonna blindly praise them for being generous and finally listening to ppl
@@sarcastoon677? Neuvillette rollback is probably going to be during a minor update this patch, not 5.0.
Regarding the Anniversary rewards: they'll give us 20 pulls as usual (10 via log in, 10 via mail), no more and no less than the previous years. (Which is of course disappointing, but I've literally no positive expectations left regarding hoyo and rewards)
@@_dragonflies_ i hope they do it with minor patch ngl.. but lets see how they handle it.. i dont have much hopes either
@@sarcastoon67710? It'll be 4 pulls spread across 7 emails
There's another 10 pulls for anniversary i think
For those who still don't understand what happens: Suddenly calling Neuvillette as a bug is a crime (especially after his rerun).
I don't know about law in other countries, but in China, selling a defect product is forbidden by law.
Ever since Neuvillette was released, Hoyoverse never mentioned about his beyblade move as a bug. So, many players decided to pull for Neuvillette because of the beyblade, without worrying that it will be removed someday by Hoyoverse.
And suddenly on July, Hoyoverse called Neuvillette a bug and decided to fix it. And by law, Hoyoverse was already selling a product with defect, hence the Chinese player decided to sue Hoyoverse. Hoyoverse backed down and will bring the beyblade Neuvillette back someday.
If only they stated Neuvillette as a bug soon after he was released, this all stuff would never happened.
when will they bring it back?
@@Ibrahim-wx5kz Unsure. Most likely on 5.0 update, but it can be sooner
Selling a defective product is forbidden by law? I think much needed research needs to be conducted, 'cause that is the most contradictory statement I've ever heard... I'm quite sure it's the opposite 😆
Call it a defect product it's just not fit, it's just PC user abusing it with mouse DPI. But yep, they should've done it long ago, not 10 months after release and re-run.
@@user-qd3qt9jx7d welll, the spin to win can't really be called a defect cuz it is a good feature, and the devs know this feature at neuvi's debut already. but on this ground, if that's a good feature and it is not intended, the devs should've announced it on neuvi's debut that such feature will be adjusted, not after 9 months with even neuvi's first rerun. and they handle this by defining the aforesaid feature as a "bug" is making the definition of "bug" more ambiguous which players/consumers are now losing trust on this company.
I'm glad they still haven't fixed Hydro MC "bug" on their ult
You mean that it hits more often on enemies with dendro applied
@fa14bi-78 no is actually when there's a nearby dendro core and their Burst just do additional hits
Its not a bug its a feature (for hoyoverse)
they cant nerf his ahh is already the worst hydro unit
lmao nerf hydro mc. you mean to make him a physical character coz hydro mc is not real he cant hurt you.
*not the first roll back. Yae turret targeting was rolled back after people complained about it.
It was not a controversy though, just legitimate feedback that they listened to.
They tried to buff Yae bc players were complaining that she was hitting lamps instead of enemies or something
But their buff was a nerf so they had to rollback lol
They rolled back because the changes negatively affected how her c2 works. They wouldn't have otherwise. So it's not the same situation at all
@@biscy03even without C2, the fix was a problem because it eliminated her CC against other enemies.
It's not just for spin2wins. Having to change direction quickly happens VERY often in normal gameplay. That's why people said it feels clunky. Arlechhino, raiden boss zooming around, new waves of enemies spawning behind you, mitachurl charged through you etc. ALL requires at least a 180 turn. Slowing that down not only causes direct DPS loss, it also directly causes your beam to lose a huge percentage of it's duration, sometimes EXPIRING when you finally reached the target.
So, please don't say it "don't affect", or even "don't affect that much" to people who plays "normally".
To fix this properly, they should have started applying the brakes after you've turned 270 or 360 degrees.
@@djinn666 I never really cared enough to try out, but if the movement is free (max sensitivity within range), you just need left 180deg free movement and right 180deg free movement. Just swipe mouse left right quickly and it should still "simulate" a full 360deg range attack.
However, 180deg in one direction (overall 360deg) is not enough to work with for all "normal" situations, and getting camera sensitivity messed and swapped around past 180deg by system may cause aim to be off by a few degrees in battle, and that would really suck. As you said, and I agree, full 360 is required for optimal "normal" play to minimise interference, but that will probably not help with the spin since people can just swipe left right. Also, edited 360deg is required for a SINGLE direction, which makes left+right 360deg = total of 720deg rotation required.
But seriously, as OP as he is, the game has been "fine" like this for 7 patches (over 9 months, I believe). Other than people not finding a meta reason to pull for another hydro DPS, I don't see the skies of Teyvat falling down or anything. Devs released him as he was designed, Devs failed to identify issue and respond promptly to it and that's it. It's too late to change. It's unethical to change. People have spent money on him and will go insane if they force a change.
Besides, the Devs should be focusing more on Geo/Anemo DPS that do not have access to strong own-element damage buffing reactions. I have no idea why they kept insisting on making more OP hydro units.
@@PinutsGames When I say "after you turned 270 degrees", I mean rotation either direction. It's basically stamina but for turning. You regain it once you slow down.
No, I noticed this issue as well. I've never used the spin-to-win strat, but after the fix, using his charge attack actually became a bit laggy.
@@PinutsGames His CA is also much slower then bow users so turning aimed mode up in settings makes bow users almost un able to aim. It isnt tied to DPI in his case either as a 'fast' mouse movement seems to trigger the brakes and therefore make it impossible to turn in combat without running out of map pad space.
He feels like I am in ADS in Valorant/CS in terms on in game sensitivity.
@IWTL isnt affected because he has a cracked Neuv so he never needs to turn because his unit is too strong to begin with. Wish he actually tired to test out these reports more rather then dismiss them instantly. And while the lack of turning now isnt going to make you like, lose the 3* on the abyss floor, it just feels bad and we have been used to how he felt for almost 9 months now. If the next hydo DPS have good crowd control then its pretty safe to say they did this nerf now to sell that next unit. Sad indeed if so,
Tell me you wanna upsell Natlan characters without telling me you wanna upsell Natlan characters
Considering leaks say Mualani is about as good as him, this nerf was definitely a desperate try for that. They don't have confidence in their design, i'm pulling for her anyways lol!
@@WyvernVin Honestly, I think Neuvilette got more hit as a part of a normalization of skills that involve rotation/movement. All of the new characters have such skills/features, so it would make sense if they were doing a pass to recategorize all such long duration movement skills into a single category that has a capped rotation.
Also, Mualani was never competing with the role spinning Neuv had.
@@WyvernVinyeah it's actually disgusting
@@WyvernVinsame, I just wanna explore around shark surfing
That's just how you know that they're aware of their screwup with Natlan, but still wanna profit from it anyways. :')
they're leaving this issue for too long and it become feature now
He was not meant to be played that way by design, but players pull him because of that. Spin to win makes him beyond broken
1600 freemogems? From Genshin?? Am I dreaming????
It's quite a lot since they treat that currency like whale ambergris for some reason...
There's competition now and the "bug hotfix" is essentially removing a feature of a character which is a big no-no in gacha games (it's unspoken rule that you cannot nerf a character directly ever)
@@hel9157 Its not unspoken rule. They could get sued if they nerf a character directly.
@@prophetmuhammad3890 no because it's loosely falls under "false advertisement" but would still not be ground enough to get you a case plus literally no one is dumb enough to sue them for this, it will still tarnish their reputation so they tend to not do that hence why it's "unspoken rule" since it's less about the money aspect and more about the reputation aspect.
Wuwa effect is real!!
I'm not using Neuvi's spin to win tactic since it gives me motion sickness, but yeah I can see both sides on this one :D
even not using spin2win his normal charge atk fill clunky now
You mean all sides?
@@miraqen7801 yeah lmao
@@kapparex4959 tbh i haven't used him since Father arrived so i might test it again later
@@kapparex4959 Seriously, it made me lag when using him today.
This proving that hoyo actually listen to their "target market", if ur complaining for 3 years but doesn't get what you want , thats mean your not their valuable consumer
Nah, that's not it. What they tried there broke "gacha laws" in China, and the Chinese just had the possibility to make use of the legal protection under consumer protection laws. It's more about law and consequences if you break it. Which Hoyo tried. If they had put out a notice that they would fix the issue, we as consumers could not have complained that we purchased the product (Neuvillette) under false information. But they didn't so here we are, the Chinese made use of their right, which is legally much clearer and easier to pursue if it is Chinese consumer vs. Chinese enterprise.
Nah, that's not it. What they tried there broke "gacha laws" in China, and the Chinese just had the possibility to make use of the legal protection under consumer protection laws. It's more about law and consequences if you break it. Which Hoyo tried. If they had put out a notice that they would fix the issue, we as consumers could not have complained that we purchased the product (Neuvillette) under false information. But they didn't so here we are, the Chinese made use of their right, which is legally much clearer and easier to pursue if it is Chinese consumer vs. Chinese enterprise.
China seldom values people cos most of them worship money as their god. Human rights is at the bottom of their priority 💀
The only company that I know of who actually cares about their consumers is Kuro Games.
The fact that CN players made Hoyo “listen” to their feedback in 24 hours compared to the Natlan design boycott is hilarious
Lawsuits are more powerful than boycotts, so yeah
What is this boycott about?
it's also hilarious you think ONLY the west are having complaints about Natlan ☠️ both JP and CN fanbases have commented on the lack of diversity in an area they are aware has BIPOC origins..
@@khalidmerghani1277 about characters being pale. I mean Inazuma and liyue also has pale characters but for some reason here people are offended
@@AriesShark pretty sure bc its based of latin america corrcect me if im wrong
this was really unexpected from hoyo.. tht too in GENSHIN!! Both in terms of rollback and rewards or the supposed 'fix' for neuvi after 9 months!!
They tried to cuck players of their powers but met with backlash instead 🤣. Anyways thanks for the free 10 pull when it comes
@@rsg_magfireCuck what? It's not a playstyle. Not even a nerf. Only mouse players can spin.
I was sooo mad and sad yesterday, after i found out, because i do think his CA feels more cluncky now. I looove Neuvillette and didn't pull for his Spin to win, but it was something i enjoyed doing just for the lols of it. Waking up to this news just made my day and i reeeeally hope they'll fix this soon! ❤
0:36 They did this same rollback thing as well with Yae Miko. Currently her turrets have random targeting, and that's how it was when she first released. But devs briefly changed her targeting to pick the closest targets at first, but there was backlash and it got reverted.
I don't remember if there were primos handed out at the time, but I don't think it was a 10pull's worth.
But I wonder if this change will let Siegwinne spin to win or not.
Yea the backlash bcouse of yae c2 bcome useless .
And when they are at it they can fkn fix Dehya.
Sigewinne at it too, surprised that her convalescence stacks are still shared among ALL PARTY MEMBERS
Wait till the CN player complain 😂😂😂
@@millie5593 not to mention the stacks will be consumed even if the attack does no dmg lol. sekapoko hv made a video on this
@@millie5593 She needed at the very least 20 convalescence stacks at C0 honestly
Why wont they do anything for Dehya it makes no sense.
Yeah, their sin was not addresing it on release, they let it roll and just patched it and THEN told that it was a bug
Yeah because it helped to sell him at the time. So they didn’t say anything. Extremely sus
@@AfterAFashionASMR yeah that's true. i sent my report back then about this exploit and it took them this long to do anything about it. i mean, it was obvious back then, so why just now?
If they 'fix' this back in 4.1, today will just be another peaceful day.
I mean we got 1600 primos so I am not complaining
Do you remember 2024 winter drama with 3 wishes per year? And now 10 out of nothing!
HoYo taking notes from WuWa and finally giving compensation the right way
Hoyo employees are at risk from getting doxxed by chinese players, of course they are gonna compensate it the right way and fast. WuWa ain't doing anything YET to Genshin, pls stop saying this kind of shit
It's afraid!
No, it's because everyone literally complain because everyone has this broken ass character.
Nah bc its a proper law suit case not bc of wuwa
Ig every change from now on is because of wuwa lol
NOW FIX DEHYA
@@Tempest27 they intentionally designed her that way.
Dehya is gorgeous, her story is cool and she’s a great character… never will be over what they did with her kit
If they did intentionally designed her that way, it's not a very good use of their smooth brain. I've never seen a game company that utterly moronic when designing something simple. You'd think a character that has hp based mechanic would have hp scaling on their entire kit, but even that makes too much sense so they have to make it as obtuse as much as possible.
Take sigewinne, for example; she scales off of hp and yet her basic attacks scale on atk%. You cannot be more lacking in frontal lobe development than that. 🤦
@@miraqen7801 I'm pretty sure all bow character basic attacks scale off of atk
@@miraqen7801 Can't say it better myself xD . It's like if that character is designed for simp, such character will not be strong. If that character is strong, the appearance could be a bit meh.
>Now mobs have high hydro res
>This can be countered by new Natlan artifact, which neuvi can't use 😁
they prob "fixed" him to upsell mualani, lots of leakers are saying they have about the same dps potential
a "bug" undo fix gave more pulls than anniversary
The way they responded to this faster than any of the racism critiques is wild 😭
It's actually happened with Miko as well. They changed how her turrets target which would cause them to target invincible enemies continuously, and then they rolled it back. I don't recall getting 10 wishes though for it.
Honestly, I think getting rid of spin-to-win was fair enough, though obviously they should've done it much much sooner if they were going to touch it. For me, the main issue was how they did it, since it negatively impacted people that were just playing him normally. If you just kill an enemy and swept your mouse around to aim behind you at another enemy, you'd only go a fraction of the distance, which just feels bad. Tracking a mobile enemy also felt way worse.
So hoyo have the ability to listen 😂
First time in 4 years
bro forgot about base zhongli 💀
Zhongli? First anni? Qol features?
somebody with lots of money probably threaten to sue. threatening hoyo is the only way to make them listen lol.
@@kovacs3215 ok so first time in last 3 years
And also I think you don't have the ability to differentiate between a joke and a serious statement
Hoyo listens when it wants to lol
I like how at 6:25 there is an NPC that says GIVE IT BACK!
Wasn't Yae Miko the first example of this? They released her with turrets that attacked random targets, then "fixed" her turrets making them attack the nearest target, then reverted the fix back to random targets. Not exactly the same power change that happened with Neuvillette, but a fix that was almost immediately reverted to the original behavior.
patiently waiting here for the Changli guide :)
ain't no way we got a TEN PULL from this! I'm definitely gonna make sure I get him next time, I will not lose the 50/50 a third time
I was so desperate to get him I got him on alt account lol, but I still want him on my main
i may be wrong but I dont think this is the first post release change hoyo has reverted, fairly certain they nerfed yae miko's turrets post release so they didn't random target enemies in aoe which made her useless against shield enemies so they reverted it.
Shields weren't really the problem. ICD was. Against multiple targets, she can get more reactions in with random targeting. But yeah, they reverted that change, though worth noting that one was an attempt by them to improve the character. It's just they didn't realize they were actually nerfing her.
Yae before the nerf could very well be better than C6 Fischl, but nooo Hoyo HATES giving us good things
@@nyes4596Just spewing random nonsense
@@kale1287 ????
Mihoyo when people ask them to change their weapon banner : *Sleep*
Mihoyo when people didn't ask to fix something they like : *Real shit*
i asked them to fix it. multiple times. it was a dumb exploit. and now it's back because whiners.
but you're right about the first part. fix mona and keqing's cons already ffs
"So glad" that Mihoyo has finally declared that it doesn't care at all about their players.
I can't believe that a company, although every single instance of disrespect we've seen through all this time, would go as far as to reduce a character's power simply because they're about to launch another one that has pretty much the same beneffits as a PURPOSEFULLY STRONG one on the line... I'm extremely disappointed. I am very frustrated and would love to see if they intend to keep their offshore clientele after messing up this hard.
tbh are we surprised? considering what happened to sumeru and currently natlan- they prob won't change anything about the characters design at all, honeslty if they're jst gonna disrespect other people's culture like that they might as well just not take inspiration from them...
I just finished watching the previous video 😂
TL:DR Hoyo waited for AFTER Neuvillette's 1st rerun because they wanted to rake in as much money as possible from this unit, but now that 5.0 comes out with a new 5* hydro dps they had two options
1. nerf neuvillette's spinning sensitivity
2. make the new hydro dps even stronger than neuvillette so they can make more money - read "introduce powercreep"
I never liked this spin to win honestly.
It is a scam but I honestly think that this “mechanics of spin to win it’s unfair and stupid”and it should be fixed before releasing the character not after so many month it’s unprofessional and illegal.(actually not really illegal as I know but still incompetent and unprofessional)
There’s 2 things -nerf niuvilette
Or -buff Nathan characters
Plan A and plan B 😂
Spin to win it’s just wrong
Oh I have a plan C actually usually you only use the spin to win on the spiral Abyss so they can just makes niuvilette off meta by stop spreading enemies everywhere so the 360 attack it will be unnecessary (my opinion and a little comment about it)
comments like ours are always underrated
People like the spin to win but I don’t find anything fun about it
As I know they secretly nerfed the damage of the spin to win
Dayum he was quick with this
Yeah the 100 primos felt more like an F-you than a reward LOL
This only shows that if Hoyo really wanted to improve the game and listen to feedback, they could.
But no, they have to be pressured by the CN community...
They've literally been listening to feedback and adding QoL every patch, people just want to push a false rhetoric and be outraged
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat Brother, the proof is right in front of you. Stop blinding yourself there’s no false rhetoric here. Do you want me to list all the things we’ve been asking for that we never got until the CN community got involved or until new competition emerged?
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat If they have been listening to us then Sumeru would have atleast 5 black character, but nooo that's not happening is it?
@@youness4247 Do you want me to list all the things that the patches have changed since 1.0?
I just counted Version 1.1 and this one patch alone has over 200 bug fixes and optimisations, I wanted to copy and paste the entire patch notes for these fixes here, but I put it into word count and it has 4210 Words, 27420 Characters, 228 Sentences and 205 Paragraphs.
There has been 34 patches so far, can you type more than 34 * 4210 words of "all the things we’ve been asking for that we never got"? Heck no lol
Instead of looking at the 200 * 34, 6800 bugs and optimisations that have already been added to the game, people keep coming up with absolutely false rhetorics that the devs haven't been fixing stuff.
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat Do you want me to list all the things that the patches have not changed since 1.0?
I just counted Version 1.1 and this one patch alone has over 200 bugs and optimisation issues, I wanted to copy and paste the entire note for these bugs here, but I put it into word count and it has 4210 Words, 27420 Characters, 228 Sentences and 205 Paragraphs.
There has been 34 bad patches so far, can you type more than 34 * 4210 words of "all the things we’ve been asking for that we never got"? Heck yes lol
Instead of looking at the 200 * 34, 6800 bugs and optimisations issues that are still in the game, people keep coming up with absolutely true rhetorics that the devs haven't been fixing stuff.
I agree, they should've fixed it the first few days of the release. Now after 6 patches they "fix" the bug, it's like you eat something bad and keep eating it for 6 patches then notice and not eat it after you see that it's already expired 6 patches ago.
Don’t let hoyoverse fool you. This patch had the lowest primo compared to past summer events. So they know in advance and lower the amount of primo for this patch just in case they fail they can issue the remaining primo and came out generous lol. Well at least we didn’t have to grind for it.
Yeah lol😂
You come for the Law, the Law hits back
As a ps5 player, I'd never achieve that rotation speed anyway lmao
True, but when I did the abyss reset yesterday, I did feel the impact of the nerf when playing neuvillette cause he was moving even slower than usual 😅
and as a PC player, i've never achieved the gorou machine gun. the focus is the trust/reputation alongside with the definition of "bug."
@@DaxmanGEven if people don't use the spin, if people are comfortable with a higher dpi, it's gonna be clunky for them which makes their experience worse. :)
i hope they shadow-fix it by making his attack only do damage in ticks like xiangling's, and only damages enemy during one frame.
totally not iwintolose gaslighting us into thinking neuvy released in 4.2 instead of 4.1
Thanks to the chinese players I guess. lol.
I wasn't using the spin thingie, too bothersome for me, so It doesn't affect me. But you could no longer switch targets fast, especially with the new fatui agents who constantly teleport around, it was a tiny bit harder to react to their movements.
fixing bugs that break chars? NAH LET'S NERF A COOL FEATURE THAT NOONE COMPLAINS ABOUT SUSLY CLOSE TO A NEW HYDRO CARRY RELEASE
Thank you, Kuro Games
0:34 this also happened with Yae Miko when they ruined her auto targetting
Dont have him so thanks for the 1600 primos hoyo
I knew this would happen as soon as sigewinne couldn't spin to win too
This honestly wasn't the best case scenario for us players at all, the best case scenario is to keep him nerfed and refund all the neuvillette owners
But obviously that would cost them way too much so this is about as good as we can get
Removing the change is the best option as well as the 10 pull to stop people from complaining as that's what usually keeps CN in check which is why you get the bare minimum every patch
By the way I noticed that you haven’t uploaded Jade (HSR) or Changli (WuWA) everything ok?
Yeah working on Changli now :)
Sadly I'm on NA server and had no beta / early access so it'll be a little late.
This really shows how incompetent Genshin devs has been for the past year or more. The "No matter what the original intention was, modification to any released characters would hurt the trust and support that our players have given us." not only did it not apply to Zhong Li, but now that they officially said it, this could also mean they most likely won't buff older/currently released characters nor fix crippled interactions like Dehya's burst ever.
it's not like they were going to fix dehya anyway lol
No Incompetent, They just Care abt Cn community and that's the Truth. People have been Boycotting genshin recently for natlan characters been white for like Week now since teaser released. They sleep ofc. But one action from Cn today and Bug Fix inside 24 hrs
@@ankitjadhav6775 They care about CN community's money more like.
The devs do what they're told to do. Aka: that moron of a co founder that is in charge of genshin. Devs have no say.
@@ankitjadhav6775 tbh kinda real.. lots of peep on the cn community also find it wierd how natlan's supposed to base on latin america/africa but yet the characters don't have a single drop of melanin inside their system
my prediction is that they will give the compensation reward near or right after changli got released as part of their strategy to once again trying to compete againts wuwa
10 free pulls as an apology. Guess they learned from Kuro Games lol
Nah this is all about the CCP
🧢
they pulled them out from natlan chest, quest n events. /j
Nah, this is because of the Chinese law on gacha games
As someone who just got back to the game today, that free 10-pull got me Navia. It's good to be back. 😁
The CN community is extremely important to keep Hoyoverse in check. (Because they dont listen to Global anyway)
It was an extremely scummy tactic by Hoyo to 'bugfix' Neuvi after months of not even acknowledging the 'bug'. This comes right after his 1st rerun and before the launch of another HP scaling hydro catalyst.
If it was a bug it should have been mentioned long long ago. They even had a rerun without mentioning the 'bug' existed and all of a sudden Mualani caused this 'bug'?? Absurd.
This would have set a dangerous precedent. Imagine them 'nerfing' Xiangling ICD to make her worse just before Pyro Archon launch.
This has happened before. Barbara nerf for Furina, Raiden nerf (No Beidou interaction) , Ignoring Albedo's actual bugs to make Chiori with the same kit later etc.
In short If players just ignore things like this we will be in for a rude awakening. I am saying this because when i was talking to people on Reddit and Twitter that this wasnt right, there were plenty of white knights telling me -
1. Neuvi is still good, stop crying
2. It was a bug, they just fixed it late. stop your conspiracy theories
3. I dont see a difference, so there's no problem. (Even when i told them the movement was drastically reduced on mobile and PC even for normal players not using the spin2win)
Thank you IWTL for posting about this. I still remember you were one of the only people who spoke up about the anniversary rewards as well. Respect.
Not to be rude but it's "run" not "1st rerun"
But yeah, that's a really shitty move. I play on PS and didn't really need neuvi but got him anyway cuz I like collecting characters as a f2p so I don't really get to use the s2w tech but I was hoping that maybe if I got a pc someday I'll be able to enjoy that, so doing it retroactively basically defeated the point of me pulling for him(altho he did help me 36 star abyss for the first time in 3 years of playing, on what is possibly the single worse abyss cycle ever).
I can't believe some people are actually supporting Mihoyo for the nerf. Maybe it was a bug but they let it go on for so long that it actually became a feature and players actually put their money to C6 him so that they can abuse this mechanic. So now when they are nerfing him ofc players are mad and rightfully so coz some C6'ed him only for this mechanic. Nerfing a character after its release is considered a fraud in China and the company could face legal consequences so they chickened out and rolled back his nerf. I'm actually happy that Mihoyo are getting called out for this scammy behaviour.
The thing about Raiden is even worse, I think.
The reason why Raiden's and Beidou's Bursts don't work together is because Beidou's Burst procs with Normal or Charged Attack HITS, not just the action (it sort of uses the same rules that keep some attacks from proccing on shields). The attacks during Raiden's Burst ARE NOT considered Normal or Charged Attacks, which is why they're incompatible.
That restriction didn't exist before Raiden's release.
There's a slight difference
1) Barbara is a free starter character, so as long as they don't modify her constellations, it's not technically selling a defective product
2) Raiden was nerfed before she was released, so she doesn't count
Although ofc both of those moves were very scummy and greedy, they didn't really do anything "wrong" by nerfing them
Neuvilette spin to win is bullshit and they should have not rolled it back. It's such a stupid playstyle and is overpowered and boring way to play the game.
I think this bugfix was intended to the future characters like with sigewinne . But yeah i told a long time ago about mona C1 where "hydro related reactions" stated but no update for hydro and dendro dmg buff.
That 3 blue wish incident was a real wake up call for mihoyo.
Sigewinne mains can't have fun like Neuvillette :
Absolutely no one:
Mihoyo: "I summon, The Pot of Greed!"
that incident counted like a fart in the wind for YoYoverse. They had 6 months ( at least) to show some improvements in their snobbish attitude, they only changed now because there's competition and their precious snoring game💤 is not doing that well ( not doing bad, but is not even close to what they were hoping, if you think about how hyped is that game). Not to mention that in this case Yoyoverse could have been blasted by a lawsuit and the CCP itself, so no wake up call. Just damage control and the usual bone tossed to players to shush them. Unless you're close to pity, what do you get with 1 multi?
dehya deserved better
Mihoyo could never, anyways. When game devs refuse to game dev, that's when you know it's not about the game anymore.
Actually he came out in 4.1 - first half with Hou Tao
Zhongli: first characters to be buffed
Neuvillette: first character to be denerfed
Yae miko is the first one right?not Neuvilette. They changed her skill and then bring it back
@@Poisonlover323I didnt know that. I guess people just care more about Neuvillette than Miko. I dont remembers any mail notification about her, let alone 10 pull compensation
@@what-you-want-of-me-yt not ten pull. They just gave 100 primogems at the time. Maybe because they don’t have a competition at the time
@@Poisonlover323 I guess it because there was no possible lawsuits around. But Miko situation avoided my memory completely
@@Poisonlover323 inbetween there was the Haran Geppaku Futsu issue, that's how Ayato got nerfed indirectly. Apparently they could not determine if the issue was a combo between the sword and the artifacts, so in doubt they managed to reduce Ayato's slashes during the ult.
tbf this spinning thing is 100% a bug, problem is - they shouldve fixed it earlier, ideally during PTR, worst case - few days after patch release. Now its just too late, unless they want to give everyone their money\gems back.
I think this was Hoyo's attempt to balance Neuvillette but after the backlash due to how long it took for them to do this, they backed out of the decision. 1600 primos is a LOT for changing Neuvillette back to how he was before so maybe there was also something else going on that made them give out that much primos, idk.
They only backtrack hard when the Chinese player base gets really upset. And the Chinese player base got really upset.
apparently some chineze comunities started posting game dev lists (hit lists) so that probably got hoyo`s ass into gear
the cn community wont just go to weibo to complain, they doxx employees, threaten to sue and complain to the government (which hoyo really dont want).
honkai impact 3rd got a lot of stuff censored after people from the cn community informed the ccp about stuff, like there was a chinese player who complained to the government about swimsuits in the game (because he had bought a worse swimsuit with real money, then hoyo released better swimsuits for free in an event).
And I thought China was big on dragons in their culture. Dragons shouldn’t be nerfed
W Chinese Neuvillette supporters
Even at the end of natlan.. im pretty sure neuv is still more than relevant and unique with his spin tech.
Order from CN community is just too strong that hoyo attempts fail.
i have a weird bug that whenever i turn around i get lagspikes since 4.8 released and its really unenjoyable to play the game with this
4:10 Neuv was released in 4.1, not 4.2
bro i really hope there isnt someone out there who decided to pull for neuvilette constellations bc they loved the spin2win swag so much😭😭
I am glad they fixed it. Had they not done it I might've just made a chargeback in 5.0 and be done with the game. At least they got some brains to not fuck themselves over just before the Natlan release lmao
you mean unfixed it. they broke the game again because of whiners.
MHY quickly nerf and fixes Nuevi but with other characters like Dehya, they totally ignore all the feedback. Dehya still is much much more clunky to play to this day mihoyo!
Tbh the fix can only be possible because of CN players, if it's the global players to complain, it would take a review bombs just to even get their gaze on the situation.
Well the major thing is, that they nerfed it AFTER his rerun banner.
So many ppl could think during his rerun "yeah hes obviously the most op dps in game due to this bug and it did not got fixed up to now so they will not fix it"
And imagine you are a super whale paying 3k+ to C6R5 neuvilette JUST to speedrun with this tech and then it got nerfed out and with that hes basicly gone from the top speedrun char list.
So 3k for nothing.
They should either test characters extensivly before release and/or patch them within the first 24hrs of their release banner.
Everything else is fraud!
Fighting Arlecchino was more tedious and harder, fast enemies were really strong. Hope they dont do this again.
If they made QoL adjustments on older characters this would be a whole other happy story but they just had to screw over a fun mechanic... Even I who don't have Neuv am scratching my head over the change
Neuvilette once again proving to be the best character in the game, not only for his epicness, his power but also giving us the opportunityfor the first time without being an aniversary to get 10 extra pulls and right before a major expansion, he's trully legendary! Neuvilette for president!!! (Special thanks to chinese community that put pressure to make this possible) united we stand!
Hey don’t forget the free 4* plus 10 pulls every Lunar New Year, arguably a better deal than the anniversary.
when will they fix it because mine is still slow?
@@biazacha no not really
It wasn't just the nerf that was the issue, very few Neuv players actually used the spin to win as it just isn't a fun way to actually play. It's more the fact that he moved so slow after the "fix" that he felt like shit to play normally. They effectively ruined an entire character to spite a few weirdos who enjoy looking at a blurred mess the whole time.
😂
Bruh me and a friend of mine were just arguing about that
Have they fixed Dehya's jump cancel burst?
This wasn’t even a nerf, idk why people were overreacting so bad. At least when this happened for yae it was actually because her skill basically broke when they fixed it.
CN players are such crybabies, it’s embarrassing.
And thanks to them you get more rewards than Genshin’s Three Pull anniversary so be grateful
I love you 😂 I completely agree with you
(That was my comment about the nerf/fix):
I never liked this spin to win honestly.
It is a scam but I honestly think that this “mechanics of spin to win it’s unfair and stupid”and it should be fixed before releasing the character not after so many month it’s unprofessional and illegal.(actually not really illegal as I know but still incompetent and unprofessional)
There’s 2 things -nerf niuvilette
Or -buff Nathan characters
Plan A and plan B 😂
Spin to win it’s just wrong
Oh I have a plan C actually usually you only use the spin to win on the spiral Abyss so they can just makes niuvilette off meta by stop spreading enemies everywhere so the 360 attack it will be unnecessary
Not just controller tbh, as long as you are using a controller the rotation does not compare to the mouse rotation or event the touch screen.
The fix should be a simple speed limit in rotation speed with a hard limit and not whatever it was that made it feel clunky.
I'll gladly take the primogems but I hope the fix is implemented again but properly this time for consistency on platforms and intended gameplay purposes
No thanks, just literally leave him as it is. It hurts no one, actually makes sense, and it is fun for those who can access it.
As a Neuvilete mains, we humbly decline your offer.
@@desrtskuExcept it's not no one. Who would play Ayato when you already have Neuvillette? What about the new hydro characters? are they strong enough to be worth pulling rather than pulling Neuvillette? so Mihoyo gotta make them as strong as Neuvillette. then what about the other characters? who would pull them when they're not as strong as the new hydro character? so Mihoyo gotta make them strong too. If all of the new character is as strong or even stronger than Neuv then Mihoyo gotta buff all of the enemies too. Then what about the old characters? can your waifu/husbando be played when they're not strong enough for the new enemies? do you think Mihoyo gonna buff them? are you really happy when you can't use your waifu?
TLDR: Spin2Win(any op chars in general) is bad for the game's health in the long run.
@@_Kettenkrat Nobody used Ayato from the start because xq and Childe already did everything he could but better. And Neuvillette doesn't need the spin tech to be better than Ayato either way.
The tech has little to do with Neuvillette's actual strength, only a select few high spending players use it to begin with.
But that's the issue, it's a tech that whales (the highest source of revenue of this game) love to use. So it's actual monetary value is worth something.
And the real problem here isn't even the fact that they nerfed Neuvillette, it's about how scummy the whole process was. They basically milked everyone who wanted him before implementing the nerf. Imagine if they suddenly decided to nerf Hu Tao's charged Atk ICD and claim it was a bug all along? That's how bad it is.
Before I realized it was a nerf I was like man wth is wrong with my rotations I’m super slow then realized it tried to do the shake beam it wasn’t working and yeah been waiting to see what the verdict was gonna be
This company has no balls. They're basically admiting they ave no control over their own game.
I was about to be so mad. I literally was JUST about to build him.