I think I speak for a lot of your fans when I say I'm jealous of the amazing driving roads that Southern California has. Up here in Vancouver, BC, they're just not as abundant. Mostly because if there's a mountain with a city on one side, there's nothing but more mountains on the other side so no reason for a nice, windy road to go through them. It's disappointing sometimes to find a nice, windy, long section of mountain road on google maps only to go there and find out it's dirt...
+The Hooniverse It's true... It's two lanes most of the way now but even still... If you don't go driving it early in the morning on a weekday you're going to hit traffic. That being said, our R32 GTR video was filmed on that road and we didn't have any cop trouble. We're big fans of the podcast and videos, Jeff.
I had a fella who currently owns a '71 Vette, SC430 (he calls it his old man car), an RX, and used to own a CL600, Porsche 991, and Lotus Esprit recommend the S2K as the BEST objective sports car for the money. I can't wait to get behind the wheel of one and see how it holds up against it's competitors.
+TheSmokingTire VTEC crossover can be moved to some degree, with additional tuning. With the factory tune, they designed these engines to run on premium fuel, but had to be sure they could survive on less octane. In addition, Honda has always been very committed to lower emissions. Much like the 2004 Honda Si and others, the tune held a good bit of midrange torque within it, in order to accommodate americans who don't comply with octane requirements. This all was stated at a seminar in which Hondata founders attended many years ago. So, specifically to your question, the VTEC crossover can be brought down, but there comes a point where it becomes counterproductive. VTEC allows the car to switch from one cam lobe profile to another. The VTEC lobes are larger in lift and duration, and cam overlap is altered. At too low of an rpm, the large lobe profile of VTEC would cause hydrocarbon counts to skyrocket, not to mention a net loss in tq. The lower profile lobes are optimized for better torque at lower rpm when port velocity is lower. So "keeping it on" all the time, would yield lesser performance in a street type scenario.
Huh going back and now seeing your comment is interesting since I do watch your channel as well now. What can happen on these cars with the 06+ is you can run a FlashPro and get a Pro-tune done based off the Off-the-Shelf Toda tune. With the OEM cat you can get VTEC cam on by 4500rpm and gain tons of mid range while seeing little effect on emissions. It still passes testing even. This is a 20whp gain in mid range as well as not having VTEC kick in yo. With a high flow cat or test pipe (cat delete) for "off-road" cars you can drop it down to about 3800. With a Scavenger Header+exhaust you can get it down to 3200ish and it's EXTREMELY smooth when done correctly while having a smooth power gain that's so linear with a nice amount of torque as well.
+Ian Townsend Yea he sounds like he bindged watched every s2k video he could. And just repeated what everyone else had to say about it. I can't tell you how many times I've heard almost every statement he said in a s2k video or forum conversation.
+NoOneImportant556 They were all my opinions but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I've enjoyed my S2000 for many years now, and feel like I've learned a thing or two about it.
I traded my 2001 S2000 that I owned from new in for a 2012 Boss 302 because I had a son and I just couldn't drive it anymore. I needed a family car. Watching a video like his really makes me miss the S2000.
Shea Samuels We only have one, so that was never going to happen. I considered an M3 or a ZL1. The BMW dealer is too far and I can't fit in a Camaro with my helmet on. The Boss checked every box: Back seat, fast, MT, nearby dealer and trackable.
Thanks Matt for the experience! Matt is a really cool guy, great driver, and knows his cars well. If you have a well put together car definitely try to get yourself on The Smoking Tire so we can keep getting cool car content!
+Kamil Wlodarczyk apprechiate the build look. i got a friend doing an s2k road race build... and he found this very informative.. and being a Honda fan.. since way back.. lol ..its good to see the s2k shine where it was designed to.... MATT.. Would love to see a new civic type r. That 7:5x track time on the Ring is astounding. Would love to see you abuse it in R mode around some corners.
VTEC kicks in yo! Here's to a speedy recovery for your hand. Nothing wrong with driving S2000's. They sound great, and I'm sure they're a blast to drive.
I just wanted to say. Thanks to +TheSmokingTire for always doing great stuff. I love these One Takes. Can't wait for your R32 video. Ignore the haters Matt. We love you for entertaining us as always. Keep doing your thing.
VTEC engages at a high RPM because it saves gas in the bottom end when variable timing is not being used for basic city stop and go driving when it's not needed.
Your reviews on vehicles have to be the tops on youtube. Unlike alot on here i believe ur unbiased about most things and honest. If i ever sold my coyote and was looking for a new car one of the first things i would do is see if you had a review out on it!
Matt if a stock S2000 owner tunes their car to have VTEC engage lower than the stock 5800RPM you could actually lose some power in the midrange. You need to have a cat delete or high flow cat to make power with a lower VTEC engagement point.
My favorite car. I've been following a build over at Speed Academy with individual throttle bodies. It's going to be insane. They sound so cool. I'll hopefully own one someday!
Bryce Czirr yeah man but for me jdm forever had an 05 STi loved it couple swapped civics but I feel more love for honda so hopefully looking to get an s2k
Thanks for this. I had an 06 and regret selling it. Wonderful car that cost me 2 oil changes. Only downfall was it was too loud on the highway at 120 km/h and above. I replaced it with a newer Boxster S. Happy New Year all.
TheSmokingTire Yeah its been 2 weeks, I thought the videos are pretty much in order. Anyway thanks for mentioning The Trans Am Series in the Mustang video, now I have something awesome to watch :-)
Happy New Years Matt thank you for a great year of videos! I'm glad I found your channel and subscribed you're funny, straight up, opened minded and an awesome dude, I'm waiting for what next year has for you! Again happy New Years man be safe!
+Pedro Garcia this is the Internet dude. The Internet pays in quantity, not quality. ANY TH-cam creator that doesn't realize and adjust to that revenue model is simply throwing away money.
+TheSmokingTire Interesting point. SavageGeese posts some of the longest, most detailed and most exquisitely filmed car videos with the most elaborate drone shots that you will ever see, yet they don't seem to get that many views. :/ A lot of the videos aren't even of performance cars. I wonder how he has the enthusiasm to make such an elaborate 25 minute video about the Kia Sorento or similar, which only nets 5000 views...
+maximus9401 no I meant what I said when I said Si. I would have gotten one to replace my Saturn SC2 when it died if I hadn't set my sights on another. That and the fact they don't make S2000s anymore so you'd have to go back and get an older model; gotta put a lot of work into it to update it. Where as if I got the two door Si, well it gives a more concurrent template to work with.
FatalFist how are you comparing the Civic Si to the Toyota GT86? One is a RWD sports car and the other is FWD sporty daily driver based on an economy car. You said you would get an Si if it wasn't for the GT86
maximus9401 Simply put, I'm not. It's not a competition to me. I just wanted the GT86 instead. Simple as that. if I were to really compare, I'd do so with my Saturn SC2 because it was FWD. Drivetrain doesn't matter to me, I'm was making a point about reliability and how despite that I don't like Honda, they are reliable.
Awesome review! The S2K engine is a nice one that doesn't need to be tuned much to have a lot of fun! I just watched David's Death Trap S2K video (thatdudeinblue) the other week and man what a difference. Both amazing reviews. I love this road too, definitely want to drive there one day!
I forgot he mentioned his hand was injured so i just lost it at the end with that handshake! Awesome review i would love to see you directly compare an ap1 and ap2 or to a CR if you find one. Even though you dont wanna drive anymore of them lmao
Doesn't the vtec exist in this car so that the first cam profile gives more low end power and the second profile gives more high rev power (essentially just widening the usable power band)? Changing where it switches over without changing either of the actual profiles wouldn't give you much more power, right? The cam profile for when vtec turns on would take away power if it was used at low revs and vice versa. Right? Someone educate me please.
+im Schwaggy Because the cam on those things is huge. Something like.712 degrees of lift on the vtec lobes I think. Even v8 guys dont take it that far but if you have vtec you can do that.
+MrTshoff OEM AP1 Cams Adv. duration: 295 / 309 Dur at 1mm: 247 / 243 Lift: 12.15mm / 11.1mm Lobe centerline: 98 deg ATDC / 100 deg BTDC Nowhere near .700 lift, more like .480 stock. Vtec is for drivability, emissions and fuel economy at lower rpm. If you had it engaged all the time you would have a very lopey idle, less torque below 3000rpms, and take a lot of fuel. Vtec must be set at the point to make the power curve as linear as possible, in a properly tuned setup you should not feel vtec and barely hear it come on, depending on many factors but mostly cam timing, it can be set as low as 4000 and as high as 6500rpms, it all depends on the setup.
Francis Baril Must have been a tuned car i was looking at then. Saw it at a show and it looked mostly stock and the owner talked with me about it but it did have some crazy cam in it but still was an excellent street car. It was his dd. I know what vtec is for though. Plenty of years tuning fwd b series hondas but I dont know much about the s2k admittedly.
I waited the entire video to see if he would actually send it all The way to redline and shift like you're suppose to in these cars.. And in the last 30 seconds he finally did. Thank God.
:) yeah its un-natural shifting at 8200 rpm when most cars die off around 6500 rpm. I think that's my only complaint from the experience, Matt was constantly shifting about 500-1000 rpm too low.
I really like s2ks, almost bought one. Ultimately too small for me (Im tall with big feet) and too little torque, ended up with a boxster S instead. I have alot of respect for a clean s2k though, one of the best roadsters from the time period.
Does Matt even know how Vtec WORKS!? He's talking about it like it's boost..... Having it "come on earlier" or "all the time" is way oversimplifying it.....
I'm not an engineer. But a function that changes the cam profile at 6,000 to give more power, Isn't it a fair question to ask why it doesn't change at 4,000? Or 3,0000?
Wow, real cool that you respond! I really wasn't expecting that! LoL The way they optimize it is to try (key word LoL) to have optimized performance through the RPM range. Most engines with one cam profile and intake runner length are optimal in a small RPM range. It's like having 2 different engines in one. 3 or 4K RPM prob could be tuned to be alright, but what got me was "having it on all the time..." THAT would KILL what little low end TQ you have (or don't have) on a Honda! On another note, I subscribed not too long ago. I've really enjoyed the videos, it's AMAZING what some people have done to their cars!!
+TheSmokingTire They optimized the 2nd camshaft profile to generate big numbers for the top end. Engaging he big profile sooner would kill the mid-range performance more than it would help. If a new cam profile, optimized for midrange, could be installed it could do what you ask. But that would be at the expense of the top end that you currently have. I think the newer versions had a total of 3 cam profiles that the system would swap between, so that you could have a midrange bump too.
I've got a buddy here in MO, way too far I know, but he has a turboed and tuned s2k. Scary fast ,and pulls fast than anything in 4th and 5th gear on the highway. It has about 400hp.
I like sporty versions of Hondas, they're fun. Very few are fast, and if they are they're way too expensive. But I enjoy them very much, especially the S2K. This one looks particularly good.
I wish we had nice technical roads like that here in Florida. Going for a nice spirited drive on flat straight roads is kinda underwhelming, especially when you drive a civic or 85 Toyota supra.
+Platybis I only have 2 cameras. So I choose the 2 views that offer the most information. If you go to an inside camera, then you lose the outside view entirely.
+Drone Matter These are very different cars. As a practical daily driver, the Fiesta ST of course is better. As an autocrosser/track car/weekend car you want the S2000.
Hey Matt, is there possibly any scheduled E39 M5? I know you mentioned one that was supposed to do a one take but its motor blew. Any others scheduled?
Matt, are you still using the same mic from before videos that was giving you problems before? What's helping the fix now? Charging before every use or a new setup? Thanks. - Edward
+EdwardAlcala That mic was a piece of shit, i went through 6 of them. This is simply the gopro internal audio; my fall-back for relatively quiet cars. I just bit the bullet and bought a Zoom H4N with XLR lavaliers, which is going to improve the consistency of the audio dramatically, despite being significantly more annoying to deal with on shoot days.
Hey Matt, Curious, the latest comparison's made now is buy one of these instead of a new miata or BRZ/FRS twins. Would you agree that is the way to go?
The turn in response is worse because of rotational inertia. Wider wheels and tyres increase that. Larger diameter rims/wheels increase that squared. (And the more mass you shift from the centre to the outside of the wheel the worse it gets.) Because of inertia the wheels want to keep rotating and they want to keep rotating in the same direction as well. Lighter rims would give back some of that turn in response.
VTEC comes on really high in the rev range because it makes all it's power at the top end of the power band...supercharged this thing makes the extra torque down low where you need it.
Hi Matt, as a long time subscriber and 240sx enthusiast, I would love to hear your opinion of a nicely setup 240sx. Nothing crazy like a time attack rocket bunny quad turbo 3jz. Just a simple, clean example of a s13 or s14 with coilovers or a sr20. Thanks, and keep up the awesome vids!
i would like to see a 240sx review too like a 300-400 hp s13 with nice suspension brakes and tires preferrably an rb25 swap or nissan motor not an ls or a v8
ive driven alot of cars and owned alot and a well built s13 seems like it would be very hard to beat especially for like a 10 grand budget you can build an insanely fast great handling race car lol id like to see a side by side test just of the handling of a s2000 and a s13 with coilovers and some other suspension parts i do think s2000 is a cool car i like them both
Matt, you're probably tired of driving STR prepped S2000s but if you can get in a Nationally prepped one with a tune it really awakens then car as this owner mentioned. Actually, when you lower VTEC (mine is down to 4k rpm) you loose the "VTEC just kicked in yo!" and it's a more linear power curve, no bump in feel.
tyre size seems a little bit on the wide side for this amount of power. Definitely put the tune on for more torque to compensate for the wider tyres. Then its perfect
Matt; have you had a chance to drive a 2015 NISMO 370z yet? I currently have a MK7 Golf R, and getting a bit of a slide on in the wet is awesome fun, so I feel like I want a RWD car next. Would the 370 feel a bit bloated and sluggish compared to the R? Keep up the good work, been watching some old super speeders episodes recently, good times haha.
+mrglock I had a 350Z and test drove a 370Z and bought a Mustang GT instead. 370Z is a prime example of malaise present in Japanese companies right now. It's just so terribly mediocre and there are so many better choices
The Honda S2000 is one of the cars that rates the highest in owner satisfaction in history. Very iconic and amazing car.
I think I speak for a lot of your fans when I say I'm jealous of the amazing driving roads that Southern California has. Up here in Vancouver, BC, they're just not as abundant. Mostly because if there's a mountain with a city on one side, there's nothing but more mountains on the other side so no reason for a nice, windy road to go through them. It's disappointing sometimes to find a nice, windy, long section of mountain road on google maps only to go there and find out it's dirt...
+Roads Untraveled and your fun road to Whistler has tons of cops and folks going WAY under the speed limit.
+The Hooniverse It's true... It's two lanes most of the way now but even still... If you don't go driving it early in the morning on a weekday you're going to hit traffic. That being said, our R32 GTR video was filmed on that road and we didn't have any cop trouble. We're big fans of the podcast and videos, Jeff.
+Roads Untraveled then buy a truck and have some real fun
Wididy I've only got room for one vehicle and because that's the case i'll take a small sports car over a truck any day of the week :p
+Roads Untraveled VANCOUVAAAAAAAAAAA FUck yeah
You can tell the owner isn't used to going that fast and is anxious haha
I had a fella who currently owns a '71 Vette, SC430 (he calls it his old man car), an RX, and used to own a CL600, Porsche 991, and Lotus Esprit recommend the S2K as the BEST objective sports car for the money. I can't wait to get behind the wheel of one and see how it holds up against it's competitors.
+TheSmokingTire VTEC crossover can be moved to some degree, with additional tuning. With the factory tune, they designed these engines to run on premium fuel, but had to be sure they could survive on less octane. In addition, Honda has always been very committed to lower emissions. Much like the 2004 Honda Si and others, the tune held a good bit of midrange torque within it, in order to accommodate americans who don't comply with octane requirements. This all was stated at a seminar in which Hondata founders attended many years ago. So, specifically to your question, the VTEC crossover can be brought down, but there comes a point where it becomes counterproductive. VTEC allows the car to switch from one cam lobe profile to another. The VTEC lobes are larger in lift and duration, and cam overlap is altered. At too low of an rpm, the large lobe profile of VTEC would cause hydrocarbon counts to skyrocket, not to mention a net loss in tq. The lower profile lobes are optimized for better torque at lower rpm when port velocity is lower. So "keeping it on" all the time, would yield lesser performance in a street type scenario.
Huh going back and now seeing your comment is interesting since I do watch your channel as well now.
What can happen on these cars with the 06+ is you can run a FlashPro and get a Pro-tune done based off the Off-the-Shelf Toda tune. With the OEM cat you can get VTEC cam on by 4500rpm and gain tons of mid range while seeing little effect on emissions. It still passes testing even. This is a 20whp gain in mid range as well as not having VTEC kick in yo.
With a high flow cat or test pipe (cat delete) for "off-road" cars you can drop it down to about 3800. With a Scavenger Header+exhaust you can get it down to 3200ish and it's EXTREMELY smooth when done correctly while having a smooth power gain that's so linear with a nice amount of torque as well.
Looks like a fun ass road to ride on :D
+JoeGo101 I wish MD had more roads like this. Sadly not many mountains! Keep up your videos!
+Blevin MD is pretty big I'm sure there are some nice ones somewhere :) thanks bro will do :D
+Blevin bro, I live in Crofton maryland. There are definitely awesome backroads. (Mountains in VA, west VA
Hmmmm he said unicorn farts someone been watching MCM
+Ian Townsend Exactly what I thought!
+Ian Townsend Yea he sounds like he bindged watched every s2k video he could. And just repeated what everyone else had to say about it. I can't tell you how many times I've heard almost every statement he said in a s2k video or forum conversation.
+NoOneImportant556 They were all my opinions but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I've enjoyed my S2000 for many years now, and feel like I've learned a thing or two about it.
+Ian Townsend it's memetalk anyone could say it. I've said it and idk what mcm even is.
+Kanaric go watch mcm it is unacceptable for you to watch car videos on TH-cam without knowing mcm
I traded my 2001 S2000 that I owned from new in for a 2012 Boss 302 because I had a son and I just couldn't drive it anymore. I needed a family car.
Watching a video like his really makes me miss the S2000.
Must be a nice family when the choice is between a S2k or a Boss 302
+Wilfredo Narvaez that was my exact thought! haha XD #FirstWorldProblems
Yeah, I know, I know. Still miss it.
At least you didn't buy a soul crushing Odyssey lol. You're still in the running for no.1 coolest dad.
Shea Samuels We only have one, so that was never going to happen. I considered an M3 or a ZL1. The BMW dealer is too far and I can't fit in a Camaro with my helmet on.
The Boss checked every box: Back seat, fast, MT, nearby dealer and trackable.
liked before watching. s2k is life
Love the body color hard top. Great color too. I don't need to say anything else about the car itself. We all know that S2000's are great cars.
I've had my S 13yrs and wouldn't want it any other way.Simple to stay it's an amazing car .I thank Honda often.
Ohhh yes!!!! S2k love!!!
Thanks Matt for the experience! Matt is a really cool guy, great driver, and knows his cars well. If you have a well put together car definitely try to get yourself on The Smoking Tire so we can keep getting cool car content!
Thanks for sharing your car Kamil! Heal up soon!
+Kamil Wlodarczyk apprechiate the build look. i got a friend doing an s2k road race build... and he found this very informative.. and being a Honda fan.. since way back.. lol ..its good to see the s2k shine where it was designed to.... MATT.. Would love to see a new civic type r. That 7:5x track time on the Ring is astounding. Would love to see you abuse it in R mode around some corners.
Kamil Wlodarczyk Love your S2000. I gotta ask, what's that mod you did with the touch screen in the dash?
Paul Tiplea Its a Nexus 7. I did the whole thing myself. There's a guide I put up on S2ki.
Kamil Wlodarczyk cool deal. thanks!
Thank u for revving this honda out. Enjoyed the video.
LOVE S2000's !
This guy knows his car well and wasn't awkward at all. Good job
VTEC kicks in yo! Here's to a speedy recovery for your hand.
Nothing wrong with driving S2000's. They sound great, and I'm sure they're a blast to drive.
I just wanted to say. Thanks to +TheSmokingTire for always doing great stuff. I love these One Takes. Can't wait for your R32 video. Ignore the haters Matt. We love you for entertaining us as always. Keep doing your thing.
VTEC engages at a high RPM because it saves gas in the bottom end when variable timing is not being used for basic city stop and go driving when it's not needed.
Your reviews on vehicles have to be the tops on youtube. Unlike alot on here i believe ur unbiased about most things and honest. If i ever sold my coyote and was looking for a new car one of the first things i would do is see if you had a review out on it!
Matt if a stock S2000 owner tunes their car to have VTEC engage lower than the stock 5800RPM you could actually lose some power in the midrange. You need to have a cat delete or high flow cat to make power with a lower VTEC engagement point.
My favorite car. I've been following a build over at Speed Academy with individual throttle bodies. It's going to be insane. They sound so cool. I'll hopefully own one someday!
It's extremely reliable, I have over 180k+ miles stock everything, inlcudinhg clutch nothing replaced so far. I daily, only your typical maintenance
Loved my 04.
That looks like so much damn fun!
honestly the S2000 is the most beautiful japanese car
Bryce Czirr ap2 looks way better then ap1 btw just puttin that
Bryce Czirr the rx7 stock and ap2 stock they both look aggressive
Bryce Czirr yeah I’ll agree with that Just jappenese cars in the 90s were the best cars ever made even bmw wasn’t shit at the time besides m3
Bryce Czirr yeah man but for me jdm forever had an 05 STi loved it couple swapped civics but I feel more love for honda so hopefully looking to get an s2k
Supra and GTR man
Thanks for this. I had an 06 and regret selling it. Wonderful car that cost me 2 oil changes. Only downfall was it was too loud on the highway at 120 km/h and above. I replaced it with a newer Boxster S. Happy New Year all.
4:20 no logging operations i see
+ZirJohn The Dragging Log is my new review of log dragging vehicles.
+ZirJohn Logan's day off. also 420 blaze it, happy new year.
Matts videos just get better! Thanks
Nothing like some Matt Farah one takes to brighten up the day.
exactly how I want to go with my 06. Well done sir
0:54 Mighty Car Mods reference? Great video as always!
I see the road sign at 4:23 has been fixed after your near wreck experience in the Huracan vs tree log.
+DesertStateInEu I shot this video about an hour before the Huracan video.
TheSmokingTire
Im speechless.. I feel like I fooled myself, and it also feels like you time traveled. Oh well.
+DesertStateInEu programming not in real time = mind blown
TheSmokingTire
Yeah its been 2 weeks, I thought the videos are pretty much in order. Anyway thanks for mentioning The Trans Am Series in the Mustang video, now I have something awesome to watch :-)
+DesertStateInEu in general they are in order but i switch them around so you don't see the same road or the same make of car two days in a row.
Happy New Years Matt thank you for a great year of videos! I'm glad I found your channel and subscribed you're funny, straight up, opened minded and an awesome dude, I'm waiting for what next year has for you! Again happy New Years man be safe!
love watching these videos! keep it up man!
Best video to start my morning!
Moog was happy with al those unicorn farts, i feel that owner watches Mighty carmods :)
MCM reference at the start, one of us, one of us, one of us! :P
These one take canyon vids are def some of the best car vids on youtube at the moment !
The old smoking tire was better, these are ok. These are just for views not so much content.
+Pedro Garcia this is the Internet dude. The Internet pays in quantity, not quality. ANY TH-cam creator that doesn't realize and adjust to that revenue model is simply throwing away money.
+TheSmokingTire I'd like to think you found a happy medium. It is nice when you guys occasionally spoil us with a nicer vid here and there though.
+TheSmokingTire Interesting point. SavageGeese posts some of the longest, most detailed and most exquisitely filmed car videos with the most elaborate drone shots that you will ever see, yet they don't seem to get that many views. :/ A lot of the videos aren't even of performance cars. I wonder how he has the enthusiasm to make such an elaborate 25 minute video about the Kia Sorento or similar, which only nets 5000 views...
"Unicorn Farts" Because Mighty Car Mods things.
Is that canyon full of spunk?
like all of your socks?? YES!
Oh snap¡¡!
+kma198199 c-c-c-c-c COMBO BREAKER
I love how Matt is flying so fast that it is making this guy shitting his paints
I really liked this video. Nice evaluation.
"Drive it like you hate it, so you can get all the magical unicorn farts out of it" Mighty Car Mods.
I rip on Honda sure, but despite the hate - there is no denying that these cars last. If the 86s never existed, I'd have gotten the Si
+FatalFist the Si? The FWD Civic? I think you meant the S2000
+maximus9401 no I meant what I said when I said Si. I would have gotten one to replace my Saturn SC2 when it died if I hadn't set my sights on another.
That and the fact they don't make S2000s anymore so you'd have to go back and get an older model; gotta put a lot of work into it to update it. Where as if I got the two door Si, well it gives a more concurrent template to work with.
FatalFist how are you comparing the Civic Si to the Toyota GT86? One is a RWD sports car and the other is FWD sporty daily driver based on an economy car. You said you would get an Si if it wasn't for the GT86
maximus9401 Simply put, I'm not. It's not a competition to me. I just wanted the GT86 instead. Simple as that. if I were to really compare, I'd do so with my Saturn SC2 because it was FWD. Drivetrain doesn't matter to me, I'm was making a point about reliability and how despite that I don't like Honda, they are reliable.
+FatalFist Oh I thought you meant the AE86. :) TBH I'm not sure the FT86 is as good.
There is no better sounding 4 banger. Just wow. Although an 20v 4A-GE is close ;)
Awesome review! The S2K engine is a nice one that doesn't need to be tuned much to have a lot of fun! I just watched David's Death Trap S2K video (thatdudeinblue) the other week and man what a difference. Both amazing reviews. I love this road too, definitely want to drive there one day!
Another S2000? :) Can't complain there! :P
the S2k just looks so much better with a hardtop
but it's so much fun with the top down
@@BboyDaquack lmaooo
Props on the DIY JDM GPS Install.
I forgot he mentioned his hand was injured so i just lost it at the end with that handshake! Awesome review i would love to see you directly compare an ap1 and ap2 or to a CR if you find one. Even though you dont wanna drive anymore of them lmao
Nice jacket Matt, looking like Alli Roy with it on ;)
Vtec on s2k's expecially; MURDER the gas mileage. if you tune it to come on like all the time, you would get like 3mpg or something crazy like that.
Doesn't the vtec exist in this car so that the first cam profile gives more low end power and the second profile gives more high rev power (essentially just widening the usable power band)? Changing where it switches over without changing either of the actual profiles wouldn't give you much more power, right? The cam profile for when vtec turns on would take away power if it was used at low revs and vice versa. Right? Someone educate me please.
+im Schwaggy Because the cam on those things is huge. Something like.712 degrees of lift on the vtec lobes I think. Even v8 guys dont take it that far but if you have vtec you can do that.
+MrTshoff OEM AP1 Cams
Adv. duration: 295 / 309
Dur at 1mm: 247 / 243
Lift: 12.15mm / 11.1mm
Lobe centerline: 98 deg ATDC / 100 deg BTDC
Nowhere near .700 lift, more like .480 stock. Vtec is for drivability, emissions and fuel economy at lower rpm. If you had it engaged all the time you would have a very lopey idle, less torque below 3000rpms, and take a lot of fuel. Vtec must be set at the point to make the power curve as linear as possible, in a properly tuned setup you should not feel vtec and barely hear it come on, depending on many factors but mostly cam timing, it can be set as low as 4000 and as high as 6500rpms, it all depends on the setup.
Francis Baril Must have been a tuned car i was looking at then. Saw it at a show and it looked mostly stock and the owner talked with me about it but it did have some crazy cam in it but still was an excellent street car. It was his dd. I know what vtec is for though. Plenty of years tuning fwd b series hondas but I dont know much about the s2k admittedly.
+im Schwaggy ya this owner is a moron. Ideally you want vtec to engage when tq peaks
I waited the entire video to see if he would actually send it all The way to redline and shift like you're suppose to in these cars.. And in the last 30 seconds he finally did. Thank God.
:) yeah its un-natural shifting at 8200 rpm when most cars die off around 6500 rpm. I think that's my only complaint from the experience, Matt was constantly shifting about 500-1000 rpm too low.
I really like s2ks, almost bought one. Ultimately too small for me (Im tall with big feet) and too little torque, ended up with a boxster S instead. I have alot of respect for a clean s2k though, one of the best roadsters from the time period.
Does Matt even know how Vtec WORKS!? He's talking about it like it's boost..... Having it "come on earlier" or "all the time" is way oversimplifying it.....
I'm not an engineer. But a function that changes the cam profile at 6,000 to give more power,
Isn't it a fair question to ask why it doesn't change at 4,000? Or 3,0000?
Wow, real cool that you respond! I really wasn't expecting that! LoL The way they optimize it is to try (key word LoL) to have optimized performance through the RPM range. Most engines with one cam profile and intake runner length are optimal in a small RPM range. It's like having 2 different engines in one. 3 or 4K RPM prob could be tuned to be alright, but what got me was "having it on all the time..." THAT would KILL what little low end TQ you have (or don't have) on a Honda!
On another note, I subscribed not too long ago. I've really enjoyed the videos, it's AMAZING what some people have done to their cars!!
There are OTS tunes available to have it kick in sooner, o lower rpm
+TheSmokingTire They optimized the 2nd camshaft profile to generate big numbers for the top end. Engaging he big profile sooner would kill the mid-range performance more than it would help. If a new cam profile, optimized for midrange, could be installed it could do what you ask. But that would be at the expense of the top end that you currently have. I think the newer versions had a total of 3 cam profiles that the system would swap between, so that you could have a midrange bump too.
Yeahhhh!! LEO LLANES knows what's up!! I don't know much about the newer Honda's, but that would be an amazing design!
went from a 5th gen lude to an ecoboost stang. always wanted an s2k though. nice car man
I'm surprised you haven't reviewed the AP1 S2000. The first 2 years are the most raw from factory and make for a different experience.
I've got a buddy here in MO, way too far I know, but he has a turboed and tuned s2k. Scary fast ,and pulls fast than anything in 4th and 5th gear on the highway. It has about 400hp.
unicorn farts! .... Nice MCM reference
I like sporty versions of Hondas, they're fun. Very few are fast, and if they are they're way too expensive. But I enjoy them very much, especially the S2K. This one looks particularly good.
I wanna Ride that Road!
+TurdBucket Me too :D
+TurdBucket All you need is a bike!
Jonas Rosenven I have a Bike I just need to saddle up and ride 3000Miles!
Please don't ride that road. Think of the people who love you. You will lose your mind :) it looks so good.
you'll put your eye out kid.
What's your front lip? I recently bought an AP1 and your OEM duckbill with that front lip setup is about what I'd like to do in the future.
+yitznewton I just found your build thread on S2KI -- APR lip. www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1096480-aeonracers-2004-s2000-build-mild-oem-focused-build/
+anonymous friends Its just a lip.
I recognize that plate. Were you located in Hampton Roads at any time?
Love the MCM reference 😊
Where that log at though?
i like the owner he was very descriptive and was sure to inform us what happened to his hand
I wish we had nice technical roads like that here in Florida. Going for a nice spirited drive on flat straight roads is kinda underwhelming, especially when you drive a civic or 85 Toyota supra.
+Shea Samuels check the Clermont area
+Shea Samuels where in Fl do you live?
Jared Moore Daytona Beach area
Shea Samuels that's cool, I've hockey games over in there(I'm from about 40 minutes outside of Orlando)
Hey Matt what are your thoughts on this vs the ND Miata you drove not long ago?
he needs to drive my 430whp club racer S2000
Best. Plate. Ever.
Love MY04 :)
any Honda preludes on the list of cars to be reviewed?
+f2b.....f20bEG He should, preludes are great handling cars for their time.
The S2000 circa 2005 is a blast driving until you hit a deer while rounding a sharp curve like I did. Totaled the car and realigned by body.
dat mighty car mods reference
Matt can we have some inside view from one takes? like the POV of the GoPro in the middle?
+Platybis I only have 2 cameras. So I choose the 2 views that offer the most information. If you go to an inside camera, then you lose the outside view entirely.
Hey Matt the Fiesta St Is still better right?
+Drone Matter These are very different cars. As a practical daily driver, the Fiesta ST of course is better. As an autocrosser/track car/weekend car you want the S2000.
if vtec kicks in too early itll actually drop in power for a brief moment, thats why its set at 6k.
Happy birthday
Hope your hand heals up soon, Lad
I like how he hesitated a bit when he said he had stock brakes
I wish we had roads like this here in Jacksonville, FL :(
I like this guy, perfect average Joe who likes cars.
Hey Matt, is there possibly any scheduled E39 M5? I know you mentioned one that was supposed to do a one take but its motor blew. Any others scheduled?
+MercedesF700 Yeah I have a DINAN E39 M5 at some point in February I think.
Cool, thanks!
Matt, are you still using the same mic from before videos that was giving you problems before? What's helping the fix now? Charging before every use or a new setup? Thanks. - Edward
+EdwardAlcala That mic was a piece of shit, i went through 6 of them. This is simply the gopro internal audio; my fall-back for relatively quiet cars. I just bit the bullet and bought a Zoom H4N with XLR lavaliers, which is going to improve the consistency of the audio dramatically, despite being significantly more annoying to deal with on shoot days.
Hey Matt,
Curious, the latest comparison's made now is buy one of these instead of a new miata or BRZ/FRS twins. Would you agree that is the way to go?
The turn in response is worse because of rotational inertia. Wider wheels and tyres increase that. Larger diameter rims/wheels increase that squared. (And the more mass you shift from the centre to the outside of the wheel the worse it gets.)
Because of inertia the wheels want to keep rotating and they want to keep rotating in the same direction as well.
Lighter rims would give back some of that turn in response.
VTEC comes on really high in the rev range because it makes all it's power at the top end of the power band...supercharged this thing makes the extra torque down low where you need it.
"And thats why i love this car"
Honda seriously needs to start making these again
Are those RSX A-Spec wheels? God they work so nicely with S2k's
I believe those are TR motorsports wheels
Hi Matt, as a long time subscriber and 240sx enthusiast, I would love to hear your opinion of a nicely setup 240sx. Nothing crazy like a time attack rocket bunny quad turbo 3jz. Just a simple, clean example of a s13 or s14 with coilovers or a sr20. Thanks, and keep up the awesome vids!
i would like to see a 240sx review too like a 300-400 hp s13 with nice suspension brakes and tires preferrably an rb25 swap or nissan motor not an ls or a v8
pretty rare to see a 240sx "grip" car. but yes i would love to see a review on a none drift setup s13/s14
ive driven alot of cars and owned alot and a well built s13 seems like it would be very hard to beat especially for like a 10 grand budget you can build an insanely fast great handling race car lol id like to see a side by side test just of the handling of a s2000 and a s13 with coilovers and some other suspension parts i do think s2000 is a cool car i like them both
Matt, you're probably tired of driving STR prepped S2000s but if you can get in a Nationally prepped one with a tune it really awakens then car as this owner mentioned. Actually, when you lower VTEC (mine is down to 4k rpm) you loose the "VTEC just kicked in yo!" and it's a more linear power curve, no bump in feel.
Next S2000 I do will have Forced induction. I've pretty much covered the NA S2000
+TheSmokingTire Yeah, I figured as much. Forced induction ones are fun to drive.
+TheSmokingTire Supercharged s2000's easily make 400whp. Would love to see that one take.
+Sptsmn700 The Full Race turbo kit with a gt30r seems to be a great combo. 500whp, pretty linear power curve.
she sounds like the mothership of all V-tec's
That sound would drive me nuts...
* VTEC
+Steffen Flindt VTACK!
Because it is
tyre size seems a little bit on the wide side for this amount of power. Definitely put the tune on for more torque to compensate for the wider tyres. Then its perfect
vtec kicking in at 4000-4200 rpm is perfect.
Nice MCM reference.
i believe the lower you have vtec set the more top end power you lose, so to have vtec engaged all the time might make it slower.
Matt; have you had a chance to drive a 2015 NISMO 370z yet? I currently have a MK7 Golf R, and getting a bit of a slide on in the wet is awesome fun, so I feel like I want a RWD car next. Would the 370 feel a bit bloated and sluggish compared to the R? Keep up the good work, been watching some old super speeders episodes recently, good times haha.
+mrglock Yes, I hated the Nismo Z when I tested it on track last year. You'd have to kill me before making me trade a Golf R for one of those.
+mrglock I had a 350Z and test drove a 370Z and bought a Mustang GT instead. 370Z is a prime example of malaise present in Japanese companies right now. It's just so terribly mediocre and there are so many better choices
how did you fit in that car?????