The over development on wet lands has caused all this flooding.I'm a true native.I've never seen it like this.There was nowhere for the water to go thousands of trees taken down to put in thousands of houses. And when it came by sarasota it was only a tropical storm.
It didn't matter it was only a tropical storm, it sent rain bands after rain bands towards Sarasota and Manatee river (I'm just north of the river) we got more rain than hurricane Ian.
Paved paradise and put up a parking lot. Just like Fayetteville NC. Over developing on what was farmland. Taking away land "nature's sponge" to build leads to flooding!
Very open, honest, and knowledgeable reporting. I’ve learned more from watching this than on any local or national news broadcast. Keep up the good work, Zach.
Lived in Sarasota for 10 years, they are building on every square inch of land. Guess what? You cannot do that without serious repercussions, especially on swamp land
Thank the Govt & Fed for pumping in 8 Trillion in 2020 plus massive programs that created these bubbles and over building. Thank the Fed for forcing rates to ZERO in 2009 for all the mass over building here. Horrendous
You got that right. I moved here in 85 and Sarasota was a decent place to live with a low cost of living. You could have an efficiency on Siesta for 450 a month and you could pretty much eat out of the bay if you had a fishing pole and cast net. Now we may as well rename the place McMansionville. Sterile overpriced cookie cutter crap everywhere you look populated by new arrivals who have no idea what they helped to destroy but will tell me how its me that needs to help save the environment.
@@nicolatesla5786 obsequious, obsequious, obsequious. Let me guess. You are highly invested or your employment depends on destroying what is left of Sarasota
Based upon the reports they are in a low lying part of the area. The area in general is interior and high enough to avoid these things but being the lowest part of an area has the "bowl" affect. All of the new construction around didn't help I am sure.
Great video! We are FL natives from N. FL and we just recently moved to TN to be closer to our grandkids. FL was getting too expensive for us. Homeowners insurance, property taxes, auto insurance….you name it is getting out of control there. We’re saving about $7,000-$8,000/year by living in TN. I don’t miss the hurricane drama at all, but feel bad for everyone who did get flooded out of their beautiful homes. So sad to see!
I am in FL. I've lived in Tennessee. Glad u r with your family. The one not so great issue in cold weather ...it costs money to heat ,winterize everything. And dress for cold .. I am with you not in disagreement.
@deb6061 Spent end if the yr. holidays with hubby, kids & his sister's family up in an airbnb in Cosby TN. Visited the Great Smokies, visited 2 waterfalls, got detained in the Smokies at closing due to someone falling into a ditch, snowplow cleared the path thru Cade's cove for us city slickers, so glad we were in a group, scariest ride out of there at night knowing the river is on the left side of the road. What normally would have taken us 40 min. or so took us double the time, we were very careful driving in the snow. The rest of the visit was just as amazing, I had to lie to my boys that Mt. LeConte was closed because they had no ice-hiking shoes, not enough thermal & warm clothes, really just risk-taking teens I was not about to loose easily to a slip on ice & tumble down the mountain side. So we went on a hike as far as we could go past one of the waterfalls. I love mountains but am looking for somewhere that is not humid. I already live in S. Florida. Also went walking to Kyle Carver's Apple Orchards, amazing. The whole family returned for a farewell meal there.
Florida native here, grandfather was born in the keys, mom was born in Miami, dad born in Jacksonville. Moved out of state and have lived in the NC mountains for 26 years. Glad to be out of Florida.
I move back to CT, but lived in TN franklin for 3 years I loved it but Covid sent us back to CT now we live in WA I don’t like it here it’s over priced would love to move back to TN
Thank you for showing us what the News isn't showing us, being able to see and ride along with you through the video WOW just devastating, I hope people realize that material things like houses, cars, trucks and boats are replaceable a life isn't, sending love from Arkansas!
Florida native going back generations in the bradenton Sarasota area. The main issue on why it flooded like it did was the massive growth in new housing devolpments. The normal runoff from when the dams open up were blocked off so it flooded all the new neighborhoods. The infrastructure in the area hasn't been updated since the early 1990s. On top of dumping close to 1 billion yes billion gallons of raw untreated sewage into the rivers and gulf during and shortly after the storm.
So you’re saying they should build more houses so we can stucco ourselves to prosperity? Nevermind Florida is going to run out of water. Whoever fills the bog higher wins.
Not new to weather or bad news, a Tornado leveled our family's hat factory in VA, but I say Americans cannot keep flipping the bill for Auto workers and keeping Illigators afloat, terrible knowing that some can file a claim and insurers will deny them with something that wasn't covered calling it "Wind Turbulence" bad enough your Hockey Team is controlled by G's ...All F's down there , I'd give it all back to Spain especially when people just dig up graves i.e Ron van Zandts for souvenirs.....Word to your Mutha
While it was a well-done in-depth report, it was, after all, a sales job to calm fears of out-of-area buyers to hopefully generate sales leads! When in reality, even though only a relatively small area was unable to drain the water away quickly, there will still be huge increases in every state resident's homeowner's cost of insurance every year from now on, plus huge increases in ever resident's car insurance costs, no matter where you live and no matter whether you ever get any direct storm damage or not! We all pay big increases to help cover damage to many other's houses, and that amount will continue to make living here in Florida unaffordable to more and more people every passing year! He should be including that warning that any perspective out of state buyers need to be very certain that a) their employment is very secure for many years, and b) that their income will be guaranteed to substantially increase annually a good deal more than their anticipated future cost of living will rise, so they will still be able to comfortably afford to love here still in, say 5 or 10 or 15 years. Most people can't be very sure of their future continued employment or salary increases like workers in the past could.... He should be preaching CAUTION, as home buyers will need much higher levels of wealth to exist living here in Florida than waa possible in the past!!
Miami inland here , never flooded until they started the construction of buildings around our single home neighborhoods...now i have 3 water pumps in my backyard. More concrete..less green.
That’s what caused the flooding “driving up into” the newer neighborhoods. Newer homes had fill brought in to raise them up further and their water ran in the older neighborhoods. It’s happening all over with new building. The county should be held responsible for approving the building plans and not incorporating sufficient drainage.
I worked for the civil contractor that developed Artistry and the one on the north side of Palmer just west of Artistry. I was in charge of environmental including dewatering. Both of the those properties were extraordinarily wet with tons of swales and ditches. The entire Artistry property on the SE side was a lake when we started, and it wasn’t even peak rainy season. The one just north of Palmer was even wetter. There we cattle out there barely with their heads out of the water after a few big afternoon storms before we started the project. We made fills at Artistry on pads that were more than 10’. Most of the property north of Palmer was 6-8’ fills. We built stormwater infrastructure, but only for 100 year events. That canal that runs on the west side of Artistry backs up bad. This is a case of shit planning, maintenance activities being neglected, and a meteorological set up that was highly unfavorable.
@@nancysmith2389 No, I mean planning in the sense of designing the subdivision and its stormwater infrastructure. I was involved in executing/building what was designed.
Yeah man.. I’m so sick of it here. Between the ridiculous population growth, traffic, inflation, pollution etc. Government wonders why the flooding is getting worst, well maybe it’s because everywhere you turn they’re paving over wetlands and putting retention ponds everywhere.
Clearly, whoever was in charge of engineering the site work for the new developments made some terrible calculations and a huge mistake. The water had nowhere to go. This will really hurt the value of the affected homes.
That is what I cannot understand why Sarasota seems to think that the hurricane only affected them, especially that one particular subdivision there were homes in Pennsylvania that were floating down the river. I don’t understand these people you’re surrounded by water in Florida. You have lakes and canals in Florida and when you have a hurricane come through that is not your normal typical rainfall so why are people so shocked that it flooded
For every degree warmer it gets the atmosphere holds 7% more moisture... Engineering for the 500 yr storms are needed because they are happening every 5-10 yrs now
People building and buy these homes don't understand low lying areas. As a construction worker. I understand. But, all these neighborhoods where built as cheap as possible!!!! As fast as possible!!!!
I’m a 3rd generation my grandkids are 5th I’ve lost 2 homes to hurricanes 🌀 THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE HERE NOW IS A DEFINITE OVERLOAD FOR OUR SYSTEMS. I miss old Sarasota when Fruitville was a 2 lane road there was no I-75 .
When we moved to our home in S. Florida it was located in a flood zone so we had that insurance for several years. But then FEMA removed it from the flood map. Hurricane Wilma in 2005 was the worst I've seen but thank THE LORD that we did not have any major damage because my brother in law was with us and he & my husband protected our home. These are not newly built, they were constructed in early 80's. My suggestion is to get familiar with the area you are looking to buy a house. The community had owners living here for 20 years & they are the best people to talk to. So it just takes patience, getting out & observing the area you like, talking to residents, etc. To thise families affected by Debby I wish them much support, and a quick recovery!!
born and raised in Sarasota- I have NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS!!!! We have have many storms pass us through my 38 years here. This is super sad. The developers will deny it, this area has been overbuilt on, my family and I watched it and called this out WAY before this happened. People RUN! Im so sorry for the people who homes are ruined, it just breaks my heart to see this. STOP BIULDING, people go to all community gatherings, VOTE!!!!!!!!!!! FIGHT THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO STOP THE DAMN BUILDING!!!!!
Aerial view of this development tells part of the problem, these homes are surrounded by man made canals that go nowhere and do not drain out, they are basically ponds for decoration, so when the heavy rain came in these canals overflowed and the water flooded the neighborhood. Also , did not notice any storm drains within this community. The quick fix would be to pump out the canals and leave them dry, or fill them in and install grass.
Florida:The state where every home will boast an indoor pool. The ground water tables are rising+heavy rain+ storm surge & you have a natural disaster of biblical proportions.
The ponds are for water retention for runoff generated from the development, not coming from other areas. All new developments are designed to flood the streets. They are apparently in a small "bowl" maybe a few feet or so lower than the surrounding homes and they are getting flooded. I don't like how they are so close to a sewage treatment plant. Just because they are West of the highway doesn't mean they are safe from flooding. They are safe from a Hurricane storm surge but if there location is a natural low spot or low spot created by newer developments being raised higher and the sewage treatment plant overflowing. Very sad for the homeowners.
Good Gracious! That is very sad...thank you for this incredibly informative video!! Zach Payne you are a natural in front of the camera and a truly gifted communicator...YES this did calm me because your delivery is perfection!❤
The FEMA flood maps are available to the public. Go ahead and look at this place on the flood map. Only the houses were raised barely above the flood zone. The whole community is built on a watershed. The neighboring communities are similar but raised higher, the houses and the roads. Buyer beware. Don't buy into "I've never seen it flood here", it's right on the map plain as day.
We had one in the early 1960s that was still the "great flood". Phillippi Creek was outrageous. Now you just have a ton more people. FYI when I was born here in 1954 the state population was 2.75 million. Today it is 22.75 million. It flooded then, it just didn't matter when nobody was there.
Florida is a huge state. Travel around the central part and you will see it is wide open. Nobody wants to live there. Everybody wants to live by the water. They overbuild and it floods
I would be sueing the developers and anyone who did the site survey.. X zone that is crazy.. thank you for showing us this.. Much ❤ to those poor people who lost thier homes and belongings and have to rebuild thier lives.. 😢
If you think insurance is high now, wait until next year. What a mess. Just insurance and taxes will be pricing most out of homeownership in Florida in the near future. Only the rich will be able to afford it, if they even stay.
@@MichaelBrown-ny3et the wealthy will stay and continue to build homes. I believe there are external factors that causes the flooding in small parts of Sarasota. This is not natural at all. Over development has something to do with it.
@@ZachPayneSarasotaRealEstate we also got unprecedented amounts of rain. More than during hurricane Ian. I am just north of Sarasota and I've never seen that much rain in my life!
You’re right, and the Sarasota property taxing authority is working 24/ hours a day to reevaluate and raise property taxes, why…it’s all waterfront now!
So if you want to know why Lorraine Meadows is suffering with these never before felt floods? Look to the builders. They are changing terrain indiscriminately, filling in ponds and opening other swales. Now the water doesn’t know where to recede.
It's essential to find a real estate agent who is from THE AREA! So many have arrived in the past ten years to cash in on the mass migration to Florida and have no idea of a given area's storm/flood history. They won't lie to you; they'll tell you what they know about an area, which usually isn't much.
Anyone who builds there should have to build on stilts, like 4’ above ground level, this is nuts, season after season, half the state is flooded, people are not learning
Nice video; very informative. Great photography showing the "flooded areas." I left SRQ in 2023 to get away from the coast for hurricane reasons, but I still miss this place. I lived there 11 years, and let me tell you, it has "exploded" in almost a decade that I was there, with so many residential communities going up left and right. The town and the builders got "greedy." When my companion and I left there, he said, "Sarasota had outgrown itself." He was right, and he should know because he lived there for 50+ years. Very sorry for what people are going through.
This was one of the big reasons why I left didn’t want to stay in Sarasota, it’s a lot of old neighborhoods throughout the city and the sewage system is bad, and all there doing is just building new developments on them what you think, was going to happen it’s going to get worse, the more they build.
FL native here. Moved last year. Would never go back again. I enjoy having seasons and not having 9 months of summer heat. Also enjoy cheaper insurance and no flooding either. 😊
I live in Sarasota over towards Siesta Key. We've had hurricanes hit here before, even had Cat. 4 Ian a few years ago just south of us, and we have never had this much flooding as we did with Debby. Even over here, which is about 10 miles from Lauren Meadows, we had cars bobbing down our street on Monday. It was totally bizarre.
🤯Amen, I Love 💘My 🗽🏙NYC! Between June-November, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! I was there for Hurricane Andrew Category 5. Sold my tiny home in Fort Lauderdale, 2005 & came back home to Brooklyn. If you ger categories 1-5, it's a wrap & the whole state will be under water.
The fact they're pumping the water tells you one or more culverts for the canal has a blockage (whether that's from debris or adjacent new construction damaging existing pipework? Time will tell). The other possibility, the new pipework associated with the Reclamation Facility next door maybe involved. In either case it's going to be a lot of finger pointing. Supposedly the canals were cleaned recently. Did they inspect the pipes?
Paved paradise and put up a parking lot. Just like Fayetteville NC. Over developing on what was farmland. Taking away land "nature's sponge" to build leads to flooding!
I used to live in Dunedin. Same as sarasota now. Completely overbuilt. It flooded by the coast last year and we didnt even get the amount of rain Sarasota just got. Just a matter of time before we will see the exact thing happen to Dunedin that happened in sarasota.
This is so crazy. I live in the neighborhood on Nandina. You went by right when Mission BBQ were delivering meals to my neighborhood. I literally missed you by 5 minutes. Btw I appreciate the driver going slow. The only flood water I really got here was when a garbage truck barreled through and shot the water up into my open garage.
@@Meatislife yep I’ve seen too many people not understand what kind of wake they are creating, driving through these streets and neighborhoods making things worse.
It's very very sad that all these people are in this trouble. Before moving to St Petersburg Florida in 2018. I experienced a flooding in Indiana in 2008. Fema is a joke. I had 16 people and 8 dogs living in my 1200sq ft home!
I'm a multi-generational Floridian. I've seen flooding but not Sarasota and definitely not like that. If Sarasota is that bad I can only imagine how bad lower Venice is. Punta Gorda, being right in Charlotte Harbor and being an historically old city always floods. To be expected as is thr area of the Peace River, Horseshoe Creek and Myakka rivers from the headwaters... People here had no flood insurance which means they're not going to be covered for their losses and that's devastating after a flood.
Real estate agents prioritize their financial interests over the safety and well-being of their clients. Their primary objective is to facilitate the sale of properties, regardless of potential risks or hazards associated with the location.
“It’s never flooded like this before” but at the end you remind everyone that just 20 years ago it was farmland and flooded pretty regularly. I feel for the people who have lost their homes, but it was a stupid place to build a subdivision. This is all on the greed of the developers.
Great job. Although I do not live in Sarasota, I will be putting a home on land in Lake Wales fl. This gave me lots of info to consider while I prepare my property.
I live up the interstate in Riverview and all this lowland former farms and orchards were overbuilt and the county should have never authorizied this development.
Young man you do an outstanding job, great video I have a home in Aria and thank god it didn’t flood there, I did by flood insurance three months ago, thanks Zack I have subscribed to your channel
Wow. Thx for taking us on this tour. I can hardly recognize some of those neighborhoods. We only had flooding in the streets & front drainage areas that drained in a day or two in our older neighborhood in N. Sarasota.🙏
@@LindaChapman-u2c glad to hear! It is extremely strange how only a few areas of Sarasota where so heavily impacted when they are by far not the most flood prone areas
These urban planners and engineers need to take more consideration of environmental sustainability in their developments and adapt to this environment. Man made canals and ponds turned this subdivision into a lake without trying to make any outlets or canals into a larger body of water. Or run off into a forest or marsh area/Everglades.
I have lived in Sarasota 14 years and never seen anything like the flooding we have seen this summer. During a heavy rainstorm (not even a hurricane) in June, a flash flood (beyond our community area) destroyed our car's engine.
@@MEMOEWILTONDALE agreed. in my 23 years I’ve not seen anything like this. This was something else that caused the mass amount of flooding other than just rainfall
I lived in Sarasota in 92 when we had torrential rains. For perspective, Phillippi Creek Oyster Bar was to the rafters. We spent the week, 24/7, pulling out cars that were stuck in the water. PSA cars are not submarines.
Florida should consider elevating it's topography (creating artificial hills and designated valleys to control water flow better), and to build homes and other real estate on the elevated land.
Looking at the satellite images of the area the problem is very obvious. There are lots of retention ponds but nowhere for those ponds to drain when they get full. Another thing that I noticed is the like with many new communities that I have seen being built in Central FL, they are excavating huge ponds/lakes and using they soil to elevate the homes sites. These ponds have no run-off so will still be prone to flooding. The more immediate effect of this "new" building method is that the water that doesn't get routed to the manmade ponds ends up moving into adjacent lower areas that were the homes sites were not built up in the initial development stage. The drone footage @7:33 perfectly demonstrates exactly what I described above. You will notice that the retention pond is within a few feet of most of the homes and is likely breaching some of them. The shots of Worthington continues to provide evidence in support of my analysis and it is a pretty safe bet that the three islands in the middle of Worthington were flooded. Building the houses on a couple extra feet of sand is no substitute for properly handling storm run-off. Allowing builders to get away with this kind of shortcut is one of the factors that make home owners insurance in Florida is near impossible to get and a kings ransom when you do. There is also a massive amount of blame to be put on the local and state governments for allowing these developments to be built without proper drainage in exchange for campaign contributions and less legal considerations. Your rosy outlook because "All the water levels are back to normal" is BS. There are hundreds if not thousands of families who are now effectively without homes and will be for months to come. And because this is Florida in August the next storm could be here at almost any time. That storm may bring even more rain and take the homes of even more people. Until the drainage issues with the entire area are dealt with properly, a knowledgeable and responsible real estate agent would not sell any properties in this area.
@@chrisose see it’s people like you who blow things out of proportion and dumb down situations you clearly have no knowledge about that frustrate many people who have experienced something like this. The flooding in those neighborhoods had to do with levies and dams being opened and allowing water to move west. We have had rain before. Rain much worse than this and we have never experienced flooding to this scale. Also you clearly know nothing about what you talk of saying stating that thousands of families have been displaced and without homes when you don’t even know to what scale any damages happened.
@@ZachPayneSarasotaRealEstate I've seen these same scenarios play out time after time and each time apologist like you minimize the issues because you have a financial stake in the game. So you just keep selling those houses and collecting your commissions but stop pretending that you give a shit about what happens to these people.
Totally agree! This video was fascinating; the driver was a fearless badass. Hope his vehicle wasn't too damaged with salt water and that he was well compensated for giving us this tour. Do these homebuyers not do any research at all beyond what the builders tell them? Do people believe bribe-taking government officials who deem these No Flood areas?? And the insurance industry is corrupt as well. As an estate professional, it's too bad you have to sell infilled swampland for upwards of $1M per parcel. Homes are constructed much quicker and are less stable than just 20 yrs ago. I'm happy the videographer loves his city, but I couldn't do his job for these ethical considerations.
Shortly after moving to the Tampa Bay area In the mid 1990s, there was massive flooding in western Florida near the Peace River. Because most of Florida is at or below sea level, flooding can happen without named storms. We decided before we purchased any property to rely on a topographical map. Every time we moved, we paid attention to rivers, streams and elevation. None of our houses have ever flooded.
Everybody wants to live by the Gulf or by a river. It floods there. Never live within 5 miles of either one. At the very least your chances of flooding are a lot less.
I lived in Laval, Quebec, Canada, far away from Sarasota, Florida, USA we got 154 mm of rain in 1 hour from Debby 15,4 cm in 1 hour or about 6 inches of rain. the previous record was 3 3/4 in i.e. 96 mm I got 4 inches in my basement because the power went out the sump pump stop working.
Great video! When you surround a subdivision with canals and streams, and have 100 year flooding like in Laurel Lakes bad things are going to happened. It is unusual that it was so bad in that one subdivision.
Bought a home in Florida when i first moved here in 2004 after getting hit with charlie, wilma ,ivan and taxes that tripled a housing bubble.....NEVER AGAIN!!!!!
Most wetlands are swamps meaning you have to properly manage the drainage issues otherwise it just makes a reservoir, so paying attention to topography like sloping of land and redirection of flow is absolutely key to fixing the problems but of course that won’t happen with interest and investment.
The over development on wet lands has caused all this flooding.I'm a true native.I've never seen it like this.There was nowhere for the water to go thousands of trees taken down to put in thousands of houses. And when it came by sarasota it was only a tropical storm.
It didn't matter it was only a tropical storm, it sent rain bands after rain bands towards Sarasota and Manatee river (I'm just north of the river) we got more rain than hurricane Ian.
Paved paradise and put up a parking lot. Just like Fayetteville NC. Over developing on what was farmland. Taking away land "nature's sponge" to build leads to flooding!
Never say Never.. Mother nature does whatever the Fuck she wants to.. so stop paving Paradise to put in a parking lot!!
A friend of mine said the same thing. She’s lived in the Sarasota area for 30 years
Exactly.
Very open, honest, and knowledgeable reporting. I’ve learned more from watching this than on any local or national news broadcast. Keep up the good work, Zach.
Lived in Sarasota for 10 years, they are building on every square inch of land. Guess what? You cannot do that without serious repercussions, especially on swamp land
Thank the Govt & Fed for pumping in 8 Trillion in 2020 plus massive programs that created these bubbles and over building.
Thank the Fed for forcing rates to ZERO in 2009 for all the mass over building here. Horrendous
They erased my comment as soon as I name the 2 institutions to blame
Gotta love the traffic
Poor land management , over development , greed.
Assume assume assume don't make a Ass out of U and Me !
You got that right. I moved here in 85 and Sarasota was a decent place to live with a low cost of living. You could have an efficiency on Siesta for 450 a month and you could pretty much eat out of the bay if you had a fishing pole and cast net. Now we may as well rename the place McMansionville. Sterile overpriced cookie cutter crap everywhere you look populated by new arrivals who have no idea what they helped to destroy but will tell me how its me that needs to help save the environment.
@@nicolatesla5786 obsequious, obsequious, obsequious. Let me guess. You are highly invested or your employment depends on destroying what is left of Sarasota
Based upon the reports they are in a low lying part of the area. The area in general is interior and high enough to avoid these things but being the lowest part of an area has the "bowl" affect. All of the new construction around didn't help I am sure.
@martinmurphy4852 BINGO you nailed it. Born and Raised in Central Florida 1965
Great video! We are FL natives from N. FL and we just recently moved to TN to be closer to our grandkids. FL was getting too expensive for us. Homeowners insurance, property taxes, auto insurance….you name it is getting out of control there. We’re saving about $7,000-$8,000/year by living in TN. I don’t miss the hurricane drama at all, but feel bad for everyone who did get flooded out of their beautiful homes. So sad to see!
I am in FL. I've lived in Tennessee.
Glad u r with your family.
The one not so great issue in cold weather ...it costs money to heat ,winterize everything. And dress for cold ..
I am with you not in disagreement.
@deb6061 Spent end if the yr. holidays with hubby, kids & his sister's family up in an airbnb in Cosby TN. Visited the Great Smokies, visited 2 waterfalls, got detained in the Smokies at closing due to someone falling into a ditch, snowplow cleared the path thru Cade's cove for us city slickers, so glad we were in a group, scariest ride out of there at night knowing the river is on the left side of the road. What normally would have taken us 40 min. or so took us double the time, we were very careful driving in the snow. The rest of the visit was just as amazing, I had to lie to my boys that Mt. LeConte was closed because they had no ice-hiking shoes, not enough thermal & warm clothes, really just risk-taking teens I was not about to loose easily to a slip on ice & tumble down the mountain side. So we went on a hike as far as we could go past one of the waterfalls. I love mountains but am looking for somewhere that is not humid. I already live in S. Florida.
Also went walking to Kyle Carver's Apple Orchards, amazing. The whole family returned for a farewell meal there.
Florida native here, grandfather was born in the keys, mom was born in Miami, dad born in Jacksonville. Moved out of state and have lived in the NC mountains for 26 years. Glad to be out of Florida.
@@deb6061 going to retire soon lived in Florida for 44 years. I'm going to Georgia in the country. Florida is to over populated and to expensive.
I move back to CT, but lived in TN franklin for 3 years I loved it but Covid sent us back to CT now we live in WA I don’t like it here it’s over priced would love to move back to TN
Thank you for showing us what the News isn't showing us, being able to see and ride along with you through the video WOW just devastating, I hope people realize that material things like houses, cars, trucks and boats are replaceable a life isn't, sending love from Arkansas!
Deathsantis doesnt want the country to see the crappy job he is doing😊
Yes the tourism board doesn't want you to see this or know that 97% of all corals in Florida were cooked bleached from the heat in July 2023
Some of my lego sets are irreplaceable.
@Anne-fi2tc Because DeSantis developed this neighborhood you loon.
@AMart870 - Best comment here so far.
Thank you!!
THE ALMIGHTY'S BLESSINGS!!
Your video did a good job depicting the flooding.
Those 2 people with flood insurance were VERY wise.
Florida native going back generations in the bradenton Sarasota area. The main issue on why it flooded like it did was the massive growth in new housing devolpments. The normal runoff from when the dams open up were blocked off so it flooded all the new neighborhoods. The infrastructure in the area hasn't been updated since the early 1990s. On top of dumping close to 1 billion yes billion gallons of raw untreated sewage into the rivers and gulf during and shortly after the storm.
So you’re saying they should build more houses so we can stucco ourselves to prosperity?
Nevermind Florida is going to run out of water.
Whoever fills the bog higher wins.
Make a Ass out of U and Me ..try again !
Seems like a health hazard.
@@matthewswingle391Florida buys sand from the Bahamas. Can you believe that?
Not new to weather or bad news, a Tornado leveled our family's hat factory in VA, but I say Americans cannot keep flipping the bill for Auto workers and keeping Illigators afloat, terrible knowing that some can file a claim and insurers will deny them with something that wasn't covered calling it "Wind Turbulence" bad enough your Hockey Team is controlled by G's ...All F's down there , I'd give it all back to Spain especially when people just dig up graves i.e Ron van Zandts for souvenirs.....Word to your Mutha
So sorry for all who were impacted by Debbie. Indeed a tragedy to lose your home. Good luck to all in their recovery.
Zach Payne is CRUSHING IT!!!
you're a great example to your peers.
While it was a well-done in-depth report, it was, after all, a sales job to calm fears of out-of-area buyers to hopefully generate sales leads! When in reality, even though only a relatively small area was unable to drain the water away quickly, there will still be huge increases in every state resident's homeowner's cost of insurance every year from now on, plus huge increases in ever resident's car insurance costs, no matter where you live and no matter whether you ever get any direct storm damage or not! We all pay big increases to help cover damage to many other's houses, and that amount will continue to make living here in Florida unaffordable to more and more people every passing year! He should be including that warning that any perspective out of state buyers need to be very certain that a) their employment is very secure for many years, and b) that their income will be guaranteed to substantially increase annually a good deal more than their anticipated future cost of living will rise, so they will still be able to comfortably afford to love here still in, say 5 or 10 or 15 years. Most people can't be very sure of their future continued employment or salary increases like workers in the past could.... He should be preaching CAUTION, as home buyers will need much higher levels of wealth to exist living here in Florida than waa possible in the past!!
That was great coverage also with actually riding down flooded roads with first hand look .
Kudos to the guy who drove his truck !!
Looks like another one of those new neighborhoods that shouldn’t have been built in the swamp.
Miami inland here , never flooded until they started the construction of buildings around our single home neighborhoods...now i have 3 water pumps in my backyard. More concrete..less green.
That’s what caused the flooding “driving up into” the newer neighborhoods. Newer homes had fill brought in to raise them up further and their water ran in the older neighborhoods. It’s happening all over with new building. The county should be held responsible for approving the building plans and not incorporating sufficient drainage.
I worked for the civil contractor that developed Artistry and the one on the north side of Palmer just west of Artistry. I was in charge of environmental including dewatering. Both of the those properties were extraordinarily wet with tons of swales and ditches. The entire Artistry property on the SE side was a lake when we started, and it wasn’t even peak rainy season. The one just north of Palmer was even wetter. There we cattle out there barely with their heads out of the water after a few big afternoon storms before we started the project. We made fills at Artistry on pads that were more than 10’. Most of the property north of Palmer was 6-8’ fills. We built stormwater infrastructure, but only for 100 year events.
That canal that runs on the west side of Artistry backs up bad. This is a case of shit planning, maintenance activities being neglected, and a meteorological set up that was highly unfavorable.
Good to know! This is the kind of information I would want to know before dropping a million dollars into one of these master planned communities
@@jazzyflorida3757😮
Didn't you just say you were in charge of the planning? Lol
@@nancysmith2389 No, I mean planning in the sense of designing the subdivision and its stormwater infrastructure. I was involved in executing/building what was designed.
@TheHivefl - Thank you for your honesty sir. My respects.
It’s horrible, I pray that those affected are able to recover quickly
Sir, You are doing a GREAT SERVICE in reporting these details
Yeah man.. I’m so sick of it here. Between the ridiculous population growth, traffic, inflation, pollution etc. Government wonders why the flooding is getting worst, well maybe it’s because everywhere you turn they’re paving over wetlands and putting retention ponds everywhere.
They keep changing the water table every time a new home is built. Duh!!!! You would think they would get it.
Thanks for the great overview Zach. Nice reporting.
Clearly, whoever was in charge of engineering the site work for the new developments made some terrible calculations and a huge mistake. The water had nowhere to go. This will really hurt the value of the affected homes.
Were they the same people that caused the the flooding all the way to NY. and Quebec from the same storm.
That is what I cannot understand why Sarasota seems to think that the hurricane only affected them, especially that one particular subdivision there were homes in Pennsylvania that were floating down the river. I don’t understand these people you’re surrounded by water in Florida. You have lakes and canals in Florida and when you have a hurricane come through that is not your normal typical rainfall so why are people so shocked that it flooded
What value it's zero now and all the others will have raised insurance to compensate for their loss
For every degree warmer it gets the atmosphere holds 7% more moisture... Engineering for the 500 yr storms are needed because they are happening every 5-10 yrs now
They don’t care they line there pockets
People building and buy these homes don't understand low lying areas. As a construction worker. I understand. But, all these neighborhoods where built as cheap as possible!!!! As fast as possible!!!!
It's all about greed.....builders, realtors, greed is everywhere...
County planners and County Commissioners.
Research? They built a subdivision on swamp lands.🧐🫣
This is so very disheartening. What a horrendous time these people are facing with the cleanup. I just can't imagine what they are going through.
I’m a 3rd generation my grandkids are 5th I’ve lost 2 homes to hurricanes 🌀 THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE HERE NOW IS A DEFINITE OVERLOAD FOR OUR SYSTEMS. I miss old Sarasota when Fruitville was a 2 lane road there was no I-75 .
Amen
When we moved to our home in S. Florida it was located in a flood zone so we had that insurance for several years. But then FEMA removed it from the flood map.
Hurricane Wilma in 2005 was the worst I've seen but thank THE LORD that we did not have any major damage because my brother in law was with us and he & my husband protected our home. These are not newly built, they were constructed in early 80's.
My suggestion is to get familiar with the area you are looking to buy a house. The community had owners living here for 20 years & they are the best people to talk to. So it just takes patience, getting out & observing the area you like, talking to residents, etc.
To thise families affected by Debby I wish them much support, and a quick recovery!!
GREAT VIDEO THIS GUY IS SO PROFESSIONAL . Keep up good reporting!!!
born and raised in Sarasota- I have NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS!!!! We have have many storms pass us through my 38 years here. This is super sad. The developers will deny it, this area has been overbuilt on, my family and I watched it and called this out WAY before this happened. People RUN! Im so sorry for the people who homes are ruined, it just breaks my heart to see this. STOP BIULDING, people go to all community gatherings, VOTE!!!!!!!!!!! FIGHT THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO STOP THE DAMN BUILDING!!!!!
Aerial view of this development tells part of the problem, these homes are surrounded by man made canals that go nowhere and do not drain out, they are basically ponds for decoration, so when the heavy rain came in these canals overflowed and the water flooded the neighborhood. Also , did not notice any storm drains within this community. The quick fix would be to pump out the canals and leave them dry, or fill them in and install grass.
Florida:The state where every home will boast an indoor pool.
The ground water tables are rising+heavy rain+ storm surge & you have a natural disaster of biblical proportions.
The canals are all connected and absolutely drain out. If it was how you describe it would flood every time it rains.
The ponds are for water retention for runoff generated from the development, not coming from other areas. All new developments are designed to flood the streets. They are apparently in a small "bowl" maybe a few feet or so lower than the surrounding homes and they are getting flooded. I don't like how they are so close to a sewage treatment plant. Just because they are West of the highway doesn't mean they are safe from flooding. They are safe from a Hurricane storm surge but if there location is a natural low spot or low spot created by newer developments being raised higher and the sewage treatment plant overflowing. Very sad for the homeowners.
Those canals are supposed to drain into Phillippi Creek. Apparently, the pipes were plugged up with debris.
Exactly but they want us to think it’s because of climate change 🙄
What well-spoken young man! So professional. No "like" "you know" or UMMMM
Good Gracious! That is very sad...thank you for this incredibly informative video!! Zach Payne you are a natural in front of the camera and a truly gifted communicator...YES this did calm me because your delivery is perfection!❤
I left Sarasota/ Bradenton after many years there and I do not miss all those storms in the over priced market
The FEMA flood maps are available to the public. Go ahead and look at this place on the flood map. Only the houses were raised barely above the flood zone. The whole community is built on a watershed. The neighboring communities are similar but raised higher, the houses and the roads. Buyer beware. Don't buy into "I've never seen it flood here", it's right on the map plain as day.
Thank you for this video. This is much better then what the media has shown us.
We had one in the early 1960s that was still the "great flood".
Phillippi Creek was outrageous.
Now you just have a ton more people. FYI when I was born here in 1954 the state population was 2.75 million.
Today it is 22.75 million. It flooded then, it just didn't matter when nobody was there.
Florida is a huge state. Travel around the central part and you will see it is wide open. Nobody wants to live there. Everybody wants to live by the water. They overbuild and it floods
Terrific coverage, and long enough to fully grasp what happened, the aftermath of TS Debby and how it affected Sarasota. Thank you @Zach.
Hi Zach, I think you did a really good job covering this flooding. Obviously I feel very sad for all those affected
Nice reporting dude. Keep it up.
I would be sueing the developers and anyone who did the site survey.. X zone that is crazy.. thank you for showing us this.. Much ❤ to those poor people who lost thier homes and belongings and have to rebuild thier lives.. 😢
Excellent video. You are an awesome reporter!
Based on all of the retention ponds, this area was definitely low lying swamp land. At 7:37, the water is literally flowing into the neighborhood.
Thanks for reporting on this. So sad...law suit definitely.
If you think insurance is high now, wait until next year. What a mess. Just insurance and taxes will be pricing most out of homeownership in Florida in the near future. Only the rich will be able to afford it, if they even stay.
@@MichaelBrown-ny3et the wealthy will stay and continue to build homes. I believe there are external factors that causes the flooding in small parts of Sarasota. This is not natural at all. Over development has something to do with it.
@@ZachPayneSarasotaRealEstate we also got unprecedented amounts of rain. More than during hurricane Ian. I am just north of Sarasota and I've never seen that much rain in my life!
You’re right, and the Sarasota property taxing authority is working 24/ hours a day to reevaluate and raise property taxes, why…it’s all waterfront now!
take a hike with the doctor doom jive
Great job on this, Zach. You are leaps and bounds ahead of your peers on quite a few aspects of life in general.
Excellent video. Better coverage than the networks.
Why are the networks hiding this devastation ???
Been through this twice in citrus county. I moved couldn't do it again. It will happen again, not a matter of if, it's a matter of when!
So if you want to know why Lorraine Meadows is suffering with these never before felt floods? Look to the builders. They are changing terrain indiscriminately, filling in ponds and opening other swales. Now the water doesn’t know where to recede.
great reporting.. so sad for the homeowners,,
It's essential to find a real estate agent who is from THE AREA! So many have arrived in the past ten years to cash in on the mass migration to Florida and have no idea of a given area's storm/flood history. They won't lie to you; they'll tell you what they know about an area, which usually isn't much.
Anyone who builds there should have to build on stilts, like 4’ above ground level, this is nuts, season after season, half the state is flooded, people are not learning
Just because it has not flooded in forever doesn't means it's not a flood zone as every storm brings a unique disaster.
Nice video; very informative. Great photography showing the "flooded areas." I left SRQ in 2023 to get away from the coast for hurricane reasons, but I still miss this place. I lived there 11 years, and let me tell you, it has "exploded" in almost a decade that I was there, with so many residential communities going up left and right. The town and the builders got "greedy." When my companion and I left there, he said, "Sarasota had outgrown itself." He was right, and he should know because he lived there for 50+ years. Very sorry for what people are going through.
Florida is one big sand bar..
So is Saudi Arabia
This was one of the big reasons why I left didn’t want to stay in Sarasota, it’s a lot of old neighborhoods throughout the city and the sewage system is bad, and all there doing is just building new developments on them what you think, was going to happen it’s going to get worse, the more they build.
Good channel Zach. Thanks for keeping it to the point. These folks are hurting.
Thank you for showing the rest of the country this.
I will visit Florida again someday, but never move there.
Very good. I got out too, it’s not worth it
Moved out of Florida after 25 years ! Best decision i made in a long time
FL native here. Moved last year. Would never go back again. I enjoy having seasons and not having 9 months of summer heat. Also enjoy cheaper insurance and no flooding either. 😊
You're smart.
Thank-you. Stay in your filthy state.
I live in Sarasota over towards Siesta Key. We've had hurricanes hit here before, even had Cat. 4 Ian a few years ago just south of us, and we have never had this much flooding as we did with Debby. Even over here, which is about 10 miles from Lauren Meadows, we had cars bobbing down our street on Monday. It was totally bizarre.
Exactly the reason why we left Florida!
🤯Amen, I Love 💘My 🗽🏙NYC! Between June-November, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! I was there for Hurricane Andrew Category 5. Sold my tiny home in Fort Lauderdale, 2005 & came back home to Brooklyn. If you ger categories 1-5, it's a wrap & the whole state will be under water.
Love Florida. Weather is amazing! Worth dealing with the occasional weather.
Still hoping that everyone can recover that has had their property damaged. Our thoughts and prayers are with them 🙏🏾~JT
The fact they're pumping the water tells you one or more culverts for the canal has a blockage (whether that's from debris or adjacent new construction damaging existing pipework? Time will tell). The other possibility, the new pipework associated with the Reclamation Facility next door maybe involved. In either case it's going to be a lot of finger pointing. Supposedly the canals were cleaned recently. Did they inspect the pipes?
Great video! Very Good with sharing your knowledge!
Thank you Zach- excellent info and video! I subscribed to your channel 🙂
Paved paradise and put up a parking lot. Just like Fayetteville NC. Over developing on what was farmland. Taking away land "nature's sponge" to build leads to flooding!
The question now becomes: In Florida, how high above the possible flood level should you build a home to avoid catastrophic flooding?
Yep and the next time it'll be a tornado.
I used to live in Dunedin. Same as sarasota now. Completely overbuilt. It flooded by the coast last year and we didnt even get the amount of rain Sarasota just got. Just a matter of time before we will see the exact thing happen to Dunedin that happened in sarasota.
This is so crazy. I live in the neighborhood on Nandina. You went by right when Mission BBQ were delivering meals to my neighborhood. I literally missed you by 5 minutes. Btw I appreciate the driver going slow. The only flood water I really got here was when a garbage truck barreled through and shot the water up into my open garage.
@@Meatislife yep I’ve seen too many people not understand what kind of wake they are creating, driving through these streets and neighborhoods making things worse.
It's very very sad that all these people are in this trouble. Before moving to St Petersburg Florida in 2018. I experienced a flooding in Indiana in 2008. Fema is a joke. I had 16 people and 8 dogs living in my 1200sq ft home!
Don’t play in flooded streets. If the sewage backs up, your children are playing in sewage.
I'm a multi-generational Floridian. I've seen flooding but not Sarasota and definitely not like that.
If Sarasota is that bad I can only imagine how bad lower Venice is.
Punta Gorda, being right in Charlotte Harbor and being an historically old city always floods. To be expected as is thr area of the Peace River, Horseshoe Creek and Myakka rivers from the headwaters...
People here had no flood insurance which means they're not going to be covered for their losses and that's devastating after a flood.
Real estate agents prioritize their financial interests over the safety and well-being of their clients. Their primary objective is to facilitate the sale of properties, regardless of potential risks or hazards associated with the location.
This is a huge wake up call! Just terrible to see these beautiful homes under water.
“It’s never flooded like this before” but at the end you remind everyone that just 20 years ago it was farmland and flooded pretty regularly. I feel for the people who have lost their homes, but it was a stupid place to build a subdivision. This is all on the greed of the developers.
Great job. Although I do not live in Sarasota, I will be putting a home on land in Lake Wales fl. This gave me lots of info to consider while I prepare my property.
I live up the interstate in Riverview and all this lowland former farms and orchards were overbuilt and the county should have never authorizied this development.
Wow, footage you just don't get from regular news. Gotta think beyond the flooding, the mold issue in these homes afterwards 😢
800000dollars houses.
Young man you do an outstanding job, great video I have a home in Aria and thank god it didn’t flood there, I did by flood insurance three months ago, thanks Zack I have subscribed to your channel
We are across from you in Milano. Thankfully all good here!
Wow. Thx for taking us on this tour. I can hardly recognize some of those neighborhoods. We only had flooding in the streets & front drainage areas that drained in a day or two in our older neighborhood in N. Sarasota.🙏
@@LindaChapman-u2c glad to hear! It is extremely strange how only a few areas of Sarasota where so heavily impacted when they are by far not the most flood prone areas
These urban planners and engineers need to take more consideration of environmental sustainability in their developments and adapt to this environment. Man made canals and ponds turned this subdivision into a lake without trying to make any outlets or canals into a larger body of water. Or run off into a forest or marsh area/Everglades.
I have lived in Sarasota 14 years and never seen anything like the flooding we have seen this summer. During a heavy rainstorm (not even a hurricane) in June, a flash flood (beyond our community area) destroyed our car's engine.
@@MEMOEWILTONDALE agreed. in my 23 years I’ve not seen anything like this. This was something else that caused the mass amount of flooding other than just rainfall
Regulations are a good thing. I know people often blindly rail against Regulations because they dont understand why there is a need. This is why-
Great job Zack
Gotta say tho..... beautiful area. Sarasota is a jewel.
You must be a realtor to say this is beautiful
Not any more!!!
🙏🏻 for all effected
I lived in Sarasota in 92 when we had torrential rains. For perspective, Phillippi Creek Oyster Bar was to the rafters. We spent the week, 24/7, pulling out cars that were stuck in the water. PSA cars are not submarines.
Was the flooding all East of I-75? Big miscalculation for these homes not being in a flood zone.
You did a good job documenting this.
Sue the developers
Florida should consider elevating it's topography (creating artificial hills and designated valleys to control water flow better), and to build homes and other real estate on the elevated land.
Looking at the satellite images of the area the problem is very obvious. There are lots of retention ponds but nowhere for those ponds to drain when they get full.
Another thing that I noticed is the like with many new communities that I have seen being built in Central FL, they are excavating huge ponds/lakes and using they soil to elevate the homes sites. These ponds have no run-off so will still be prone to flooding. The more immediate effect of this "new" building method is that the water that doesn't get routed to the manmade ponds ends up moving into adjacent lower areas that were the homes sites were not built up in the initial development stage.
The drone footage @7:33 perfectly demonstrates exactly what I described above. You will notice that the retention pond is within a few feet of most of the homes and is likely breaching some of them. The shots of Worthington continues to provide evidence in support of my analysis and it is a pretty safe bet that the three islands in the middle of Worthington were flooded.
Building the houses on a couple extra feet of sand is no substitute for properly handling storm run-off. Allowing builders to get away with this kind of shortcut is one of the factors that make home owners insurance in Florida is near impossible to get and a kings ransom when you do. There is also a massive amount of blame to be put on the local and state governments for allowing these developments to be built without proper drainage in exchange for campaign contributions and less legal considerations.
Your rosy outlook because "All the water levels are back to normal" is BS. There are hundreds if not thousands of families who are now effectively without homes and will be for months to come. And because this is Florida in August the next storm could be here at almost any time. That storm may bring even more rain and take the homes of even more people. Until the drainage issues with the entire area are dealt with properly, a knowledgeable and responsible real estate agent would not sell any properties in this area.
@@chrisose see it’s people like you who blow things out of proportion and dumb down situations you clearly have no knowledge about that frustrate many people who have experienced something like this. The flooding in those neighborhoods had to do with levies and dams being opened and allowing water to move west. We have had rain before. Rain much worse than this and we have never experienced flooding to this scale. Also you clearly know nothing about what you talk of saying stating that thousands of families have been displaced and without homes when you don’t even know to what scale any damages happened.
@@ZachPayneSarasotaRealEstate I've seen these same scenarios play out time after time and each time apologist like you minimize the issues because you have a financial stake in the game. So you just keep selling those houses and collecting your commissions but stop pretending that you give a shit about what happens to these people.
Totally agree! This video was fascinating; the driver was a fearless badass. Hope his vehicle wasn't too damaged with salt water and that he was well compensated for giving us this tour.
Do these homebuyers not do any research at all beyond what the builders tell them? Do people believe bribe-taking government officials who deem these No Flood areas?? And the insurance industry is corrupt as well. As an estate professional, it's too bad you have to sell infilled swampland for upwards of $1M per parcel. Homes are constructed much quicker and are less stable than just 20 yrs ago. I'm happy the videographer loves his city, but I couldn't do his job for these ethical considerations.
I feel sorry for the homeowners. Their property values have been cut in half.
Half? They’re flooded and have an HOA. Who in their right mind would buy it?
What's HOA say about flooding? Just curious.@@Pinkfrosting962
@@Pinkfrosting962yup, the new laws just enacted include a requirement to disclose past flooding.
When this happens in Miami property values go up!
@@chargermoparcause Miami is the land for money launderers who are keeping families homeless
That place is done
@@brucewyszinski6716 you clearly didn’t watch any of the video at all did you?
No it isn't.
I added you because I am from SRQ and want to keep up with your updates-
Charlie- Francis and Ivan hit all same year- that did it for me-
Shortly after moving to the Tampa Bay area In the mid 1990s, there was massive flooding in western Florida near the Peace River. Because most of Florida is at or below sea level, flooding can happen without named storms. We decided before we purchased any property to rely on a topographical map. Every time we moved, we paid attention to rivers, streams and elevation. None of our houses have ever flooded.
Everybody wants to live by the Gulf or by a river. It floods there. Never live within 5 miles of either one. At the very least your chances of flooding are a lot less.
I lived in Laval, Quebec, Canada, far away from Sarasota, Florida, USA we got 154 mm of rain in 1 hour from Debby 15,4 cm in 1 hour or about 6 inches of rain. the previous record was 3 3/4 in i.e. 96 mm I got 4 inches in my basement because the power went out the sump pump stop working.
Like I said, "floods are happening ALL OVER THE WORLD" right now.....not just in Sarasota, Florida.
Get ready for the massive Florida exitus in homes decreasing in prices. I lived there for 11 years and I’ve never seen anything like this.
can the hysteria
I don’t think that will happen. People are still moving into the Sarasota area. The County will correct this problem.
can the hysteria, a tropical storm floods about 1 percent of houses and you predict doomsday
Those houses that stayed dry will still have to worry about future developing around there!
Great video! When you surround a subdivision with canals and streams, and have 100 year flooding like in Laurel Lakes bad things are going to happened. It is unusual that it was so bad in that one subdivision.
@@LindaDiD yes! When looking at the drone footage you can tell this neighborhood was built like a big bowl! No where for the water to go but just sit
I can hear a U2 song playing in the background, "Where the Streets Have No Drains".
Bought a home in Florida when i first moved here in 2004 after getting hit with charlie, wilma ,ivan and taxes that tripled a housing bubble.....NEVER AGAIN!!!!!
Most wetlands are swamps meaning you have to properly manage the drainage issues otherwise it just makes a reservoir, so paying attention to topography like sloping of land and redirection of flow is absolutely key to fixing the problems but of course that won’t happen with interest and investment.