Honestly I’ve always thought that Goku would beat Saitama because if you really look at it goku is just better than saitama in multiple aspects of training and saitama just has something similar to plot armor because he basically wins all his fight and does not gain much from it. Goku is basically as fast as saitama we will just say for now so 1 of gokus moves could honestly make saitama weak so I think goku would win. IF YOU PIN THIS +100K AURA POINTS GO TO YOU
Gokus kamehameha went through a black hole in the top in ssjb and that means it went so fast it went back in time and characters react to that and goku surpasses this so there not even in the same speed teir 💀
Sorry, but at least video is top 2 Also, look at the comment to like ratio it's really good❤️👌👍 Another idea try making a vid with mr satan vs baki I think this would be a very interesting idea since we have seen mr satan carry 4 busses by himself and dodge bullets he's comparable to baki (also he dodged buu and survived his attack) bakis done some crazy stuff too if you hven't watched baki I recommend forgetting it (I added that random in formation because I didn't want you thinking I was trolling or somthing) Second idea xeno goku vs superman This idea is good but oh my God you'd have to do so much research and power scaling this would be a severe pain in the ass (warning) but it would be a very interesting video and the powerscaling would make it more injoyable If you do decide to do this watch kazi power scaling xeno goku (Just recommendations I won't feel unfunded if you don't use these ideas)
Also next time try adding music you should watch kazis video of powerscaling xeno goku to understand how to do it better Bro you can't powerscale them by how many pushups they can do😭😭 Also next time, you should choose one instead of saying it's a tie
Ok, thanks for this feedback, I'll take it into consideration. However, if I chose one or the other, I would have probably gotten actual death threats as I got one already for another video (sort of)
Can we all just put this debate to rest already? I'm going to give everyone the *correct* answer, and I'm not going to acknowledge the guy who brought up the fourth dimensional character because they have nothing to do with the debate itself, which is who would win in a fight between Goku and Saitama. If Saitama, a third dimensional being, can defeat a fourth dimensional character, then it's PIS. Plain and simple. Goku is from the DB universe, and in current DB canon if you're more powerful on a base level than your opponent, you can literally just no sell any of their attacks no matter what properties they have. You can LITERALLY be immune to *actual time manipulation* if you're powerful enough in the DB universe. Therefore Goku wins.
What of Saitama's hypothetical PL since we're following DB verse logic. Are we just.. gonna pass over that? Matter of fact, what about Arale?? This is the kinda scenario that only benefits Goku, which is an unfair argument lol Since it's only about Goku and nothing of Saitama, it's kinda like entering a rigged casino
okay, so this is somtehing no one is saying but opm grows exponentially, everyone is just saying "oh he broke his limiter" but not pointing out what that means, it means when he is in a fight with someone he grows exponentially to match and eventually overcome them, meaning the prolonged fight of "ultra instinct dodge opm dodge" saitama will grow to a point were he can win, unless of course he dies before he can
It's good argument, but new chapters of OPM showed a character capable of transcending 3-dimensional state scaling to 4D, that alone make him stronger than all DB verse because they are limited by a 3-dimensional state so basically they can't touch him and do nothing to him while he can do whatever they want with them, as showed in new chapter he has a 4D space where he can manipulate and do whatever he wants, Saitama has a close feat, so if he can access that state that alone make him stronger than all DB verse, but in a 1v1 battle right now without 4D feat and infinite scaling, goku would win, but taking all that, saitama can almost solo the verse
I'm not making this post as a "you are wrong and should feel bad" type of post. I'm merely pointing out things that are sometimes overlooked, hopefully in a way that doesn't cause people to think I'm insulting them. Saitama can't survive extended periods in space either. He needed to hold his breath on the moon. The moons of Jupiter, where he was fighting Garou, mostly have atmospheres that are significantly thicker than that of our moon. In short, his "space breathing" feats are more that he is capable of surviving on gasses that humans generally aren't capable of surviving on, not him being able to survive in space. As a 12 year old, Goku was breaking light speed. Ironically, one of the manga panels that was shown, is one where he is literally dodging a laser at point blank range. They are very much not comparable speed. Saitama's best is not even worth mentioning compared to a heavily low balled Goku. Even if we said that Goku's speed never increased from the above mentioned light speed (which is obviously ridiculous.), just transforming into god form, using a low ball for the multiplier, would still clock Goku in at over 4x a VERY generous estimate for Saitama's best speed feat (God form is a low ball of a 2 million times multiplier, which I can go into the details of where that number came from. Saitama's best speed feat was the fart that sent him from the sun to the Earth in around a second, then I multiplied it by a very generous 1,000x in order to take into consideration that it was a fart and not him actually moving.). The whole point on the multiverse in Dragon Ball is actually not quite accurate. Though they call it "universe 7", and they say that they are destroying the universe, its actually FAR bigger than a universe. Just right off the bat, we know that there are multiple different time spaces within the living universe (the hyperbolic time chambers.). The fact that it contains multiple space times, means that the living universe is already a multiversal construct (to be a multiverse, there has to be multiple different space times.). But this is only scratching the surface. The canon guidebooks give a more detailed explanation of the Dragon Ball cosmology. In which it explains that the demon realm exists, which is a mirror of the living realm. It then explains how there is Heaven, Hell, Yemma's realm, Kais realm, outer space (macrocosm space, not space like in the universe.), and the Kaioshin Realm, which puts us at multi multiversal already. But it STILL doesn't end there. Those same guidebooks (again, canon guidebooks.), tell us that Heaven transcends space and time. This means that Heaven is an outerversal construct, as it exists beyond the concepts of space and time. And that STILL isn't all of it, but I won't go into any further detail, since this is already massive overkill for the power scaling compared to the OPM universe. The above point aside, the strength category is still ridiculously one sided, even when extremely generous to Saitama. Saitama's best feat was the serious punch squared, and immediately after that punch, it was directly stated that Saitama could go all out against Garou, and he would get back up. Considering that Garou matched that punch (which is what made it squared.), and he had no reason to be holding back, we know that Saitama's strength at that point is more or less in that ballpark. Using the manga panel that shows the destruction, we can count up that 16,500 stars were destroyed. However, lets high ball Saitama dramatically, and say that every star that was destroyed was actually a galaxy. So, Saitama was capable of destroying 16,500 galaxies, or he is very low multi galaxy level. On the other hand, lets massively low ball Goku, and say that his clash with Beerus in the BOG arc, is only universal, AND that Beerus provided half the force of the feat, putting Goku at half universal level. This would mean that Saitama's best is 1/ 100 quintillionth of Goku's power during the BOG battle. Its not even remotely close. The durability section was lacking a little bit. "he is really durable" isn't really an answer. Here are the facts. Goku on a massive low ball, was capable of dishing out and taking universe busting attacks during an extended fight. On the other hand, Saitama was physically reacting to low multi solar system level attacks in the Garou fight. The same high balls for Saitama, and low balls for Goku that I pointed out in the strength paragraph still apply here as well. Its not even remotely close. Base Goku wouldn't even flinch at something that would turn Saitama into a red mist. At the end of the day, Goku MASSIVELY outclasses Saitama in every meaningful way. Strength, speed, durability, skill, abilities, battle IQ, all of it. Saitama doesn't stand a chance.
If we look at just stats and feats imo goku definitely, but if we take in account for gokus character, it would lead to goku going easy which would allow to saitama to catch then being some jiren v goku type fight where they both were adapting to eachother
IMO, Saitama wins due to just being a joke character. However, people are indeed free to have their own thoughts on who'd win lol What I dislike most about these types of discussions is that people disrespect and hate on the opposing character, leading to an eternal argument to whoever would win. This doesn't just apply to Saitama vs Goku. Bascially, it's just been a war of words, anger and denial. It'd be amazing if we could talk about who'd win without erupting into anger I fucking love Goku! and I also love Saitama! But, It's sad that we can't always have a normal and nice convo about these two characters. Because people just wanna win, not discuss. And that's so unfortunate lol
I always thought that saitama wins because even if goku can "compare" to saitama's stats, having a set number as your stat is infinitely lower than infinity. even if goku has better training than saitama (cough.. @JRVARSITY21. ..cough cough) somehow saitama still came out with infinite stats. even after all of that, idk because hakai seems undodgeable. ill have to look more into it
Saitama doesn't have infinite stats, he has no limiter so he can keep getting stronger, there's a difference, Garou finds Saitama's limit and they grow stronger together as they fight, even if Saitama did beat him, they were both well below Universal when the fight ended. Goku, however, is already Multiversal bare minimum, Goku would oneshot and speedblitz.
@@Asmokedetector Garou in some point was much stronger than Saitama, and he didn't damage him, the only thing that grows is his strength, his endurance is unknown, probably infinity
Goku would win if he speedblitz Saitama but if he does Goku things and let Saitama grow stronger then eventually saitama would overpower goku, and mentioning saitama limiter is infinite but doesn’t mean he is as strong it just means he has infinite potential, sayians break their limits but gain a new limit afterward breaking the initial limit but saitama broke his and never got a new limiter so he is technically boundless if he grows rapidly at a constant state but it would rarely happen Because their would need to be stronger and stronger villains for saitama to grow as quicky in regards if saitama could somehow last enough to outgrow against a full serious goku edited: other thing if saitama takes damage for once do you think he would heal at a super rapid rate or heal normally in the anime he has never taken actual damage in a fight so this question is just a what if. Since all his stats are way above average you would assume his healing would be as well right??
Honestly, I agree, but I don't think Saitama would need to heal if he can just tank the attack like every attack he's received in the show. That is a very interesting question though 🤔
@@JFAMERICA yea but if we talking about Goku vs Saitama he should AT LEAST take damage right but would he heal quickly or heal the same rate as a human? Cause his endurance is super high so he basically never takes damage even after getting attacked by planet level moves??
@@JFAMERICA would that mean he would recover everything faster such as stamina?? Goku and other sayins Don't have something to recover stamina or Ki back they can run out but we never seen Saitama had any issue with stamina edited: and also Saitama has like somewhat gag powers where he is able to grab hyperspace portals?? With his hand?
I have a question bro, hit and goku basically they're almost at the same speed, right? then dyspo has more speed than them, and then why is that dyspo has use to his super ear to hear the body movement of hit, if sound speed is much slower than lightspeed? if they are above lightspeed then they can hit each other many times before the sound will reach his ear, right? and bro when does goku become a universal level? its when he fought beerus, right? the clash of their fist.. but does the earth obliterated from their punches? no, right? its mean the impact that the supreme kai feels is just the ki impact not destructive as saitama and garou, so, basically saitama is more durable, faster, and stronger than any of dbs heroes.... i'm not a dbs hater bro I grew up with and I really thought he is so much faster but from that fight I had my doubt and no doubt bro he is strong, and he has an martial art advantage against saitama but it still won't work when garou fought him.... so, for me bro he's way too strong for goku.
Ok, I understand you, but I'll try to answer your questions. 1. Dyspo isn't the only character at or above the speed of light. Basically, goku is too. I don't know why that statement is made if his speed is surpassed even in the TOP. 2. Goku should be at least universal or whatever whenever he fought beerus. It just wouldn't make sense that they destroyed earth since that's where the story takes place. So I think they are capable of destroying a universe, if not multiple, but they are limited to not destroying earth. I hope this makes a little sense, but I do like your ideas
@@JFAMERICA no bro, from the moment dyspo uses his ear from the TOP, it means they're nowhere near at lightspeed, dyspo probably at sound speed at best maybe? but maybe in the current chapter they'll be at lightspeed and for goku against beerus I did not mean to destroy the earth but "is the earth is in danger from that punch collision?" I mean their punches is not even explode it's just no raw power behind it, it was just their ki clashing, maybe their ki is universal level but their raw strength is nowhere near to saitama.
@@donpolloarabian-qg1dr Anyone who is stronger than Goku in SSJG from GOD saga has the power of 4D being since they can destroy 3 space-time continuums. 1 Dragon Ball universe has at least 3 infinite planes of existance in it and 1 outside of it which was almost destroyed too. Those being: Mortal Realm, Heaven and Dai Kaio planet which was stated to be infinite. And the last one outside being Kaioshin world Pretty much 3 infinite places in 1 infinite place and 1 infinite place outside said infintie place. But credit is due where credit is due, the only 4D being that is 4D itself is Zamasu who needed to be erased by Zeno (who is technically 3D being so Dragon Ball characters can indeed kill 4D beings) Not even talking about stuff like Hyperbolic time chamber which has its own space-time also and its said to be infintie too and it was destroyed multiple times which puts people who did it in 4D category. So yeah, even if Saitama is 4D (which I doubt, he might just have enough power to fight 4D being), Goku still slams because he can output a power that is far beyond a 4D being, possibly a 5D being.
@@Mui_Goku01 even with zenkais, Saitama was able to go from planetary - low solar system level to low galaxy in around 20 minutes meanwhile Goku trained like 40 years of his life to reach universal,but current base Goku slams he's like around high uni in base so yea
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Honestly I’ve always thought that Goku would beat Saitama because if you really look at it goku is just better than saitama in multiple aspects of training and saitama just has something similar to plot armor because he basically wins all his fight and does not gain much from it. Goku is basically as fast as saitama we will just say for now so 1 of gokus moves could honestly make saitama weak so I think goku would win. IF YOU PIN THIS +100K AURA POINTS GO TO YOU
I can agree, and thanks for the aura, I need it since I lost so much from the voice crack
Gokus kamehameha went through a black hole in the top in ssjb and that means it went so fast it went back in time and characters react to that and goku surpasses this so there not even in the same speed teir 💀
Saitama unfortunately packs Goku up
@@shafferhelfer3509 he gets lil bro'd
@shafferhelfer3509 I respect that
Good stuff Brody
Thanks, I appreciate it Brody
Sorry, but at least video is top 2
Also, look at the comment to like ratio it's really good❤️👌👍
Another idea try making a vid with mr satan vs baki I think this would be a very interesting idea since we have seen mr satan carry 4 busses by himself and dodge bullets he's comparable to baki (also he dodged buu and survived his attack) bakis done some crazy stuff too if you hven't watched baki I recommend forgetting it
(I added that random in formation because I didn't want you thinking I was trolling or somthing)
Second idea xeno goku vs superman
This idea is good but oh my God you'd have to do so much research and power scaling this would be a severe pain in the ass (warning) but it would be a very interesting video and the powerscaling would make it more injoyable
If you do decide to do this watch kazi power scaling xeno goku
(Just recommendations I won't feel unfunded if you don't use these ideas)
Also next time try adding music you should watch kazis video of powerscaling xeno goku to understand how to do it better
Bro you can't powerscale them by how many pushups they can do😭😭
Also next time, you should choose one instead of saying it's a tie
Thanks for the ideas bro. I may do them in the future if my brain can handle them
Ok, thanks for this feedback, I'll take it into consideration. However, if I chose one or the other, I would have probably gotten actual death threats as I got one already for another video (sort of)
@Indirectdrake81 oh and I'll make sure to watch the video you're suggesting
Can we all just put this debate to rest already?
I'm going to give everyone the *correct* answer, and I'm not going to acknowledge the guy who brought up the fourth dimensional character because they have nothing to do with the debate itself, which is who would win in a fight between Goku and Saitama. If Saitama, a third dimensional being, can defeat a fourth dimensional character, then it's PIS. Plain and simple.
Goku is from the DB universe, and in current DB canon if you're more powerful on a base level than your opponent, you can literally just no sell any of their attacks no matter what properties they have. You can LITERALLY be immune to *actual time manipulation* if you're powerful enough in the DB universe.
Therefore Goku wins.
wait wait lemme get this straight
So, goku wins because he's stronger in base?
I think that's what he's implying
What of Saitama's hypothetical PL since we're following DB verse logic.
Are we just.. gonna pass over that? Matter of fact, what about Arale??
This is the kinda scenario that only benefits Goku, which is an unfair argument lol
Since it's only about Goku and nothing of Saitama, it's kinda like entering a rigged casino
Yeah
@defeatingasandwich_onlymak9967 saitama isnt a gag character tho bro unless you found him holding genos core covered in blood hilarious 💀
okay, so this is somtehing no one is saying but opm grows exponentially, everyone is just saying "oh he broke his limiter" but not pointing out what that means, it means when he is in a fight with someone he grows exponentially to match and eventually overcome them, meaning the prolonged fight of "ultra instinct dodge opm dodge" saitama will grow to a point were he can win, unless of course he dies before he can
I can see this being true, but I still think the fight will end whenever someone gets hungry
It's good argument, but new chapters of OPM showed a character capable of transcending 3-dimensional state scaling to 4D, that alone make him stronger than all DB verse because they are limited by a 3-dimensional state so basically they can't touch him and do nothing to him while he can do whatever they want with them, as showed in new chapter he has a 4D space where he can manipulate and do whatever he wants, Saitama has a close feat, so if he can access that state that alone make him stronger than all DB verse, but in a 1v1 battle right now without 4D feat and infinite scaling, goku would win, but taking all that, saitama can almost solo the verse
Ok, I can see this, and thanks for telling me about it
@@JFAMERICA Great video btw, keep going
@donpolloarabian-qg1dr Thanks. I appreciate it
I'm not making this post as a "you are wrong and should feel bad" type of post. I'm merely pointing out things that are sometimes overlooked, hopefully in a way that doesn't cause people to think I'm insulting them.
Saitama can't survive extended periods in space either. He needed to hold his breath on the moon. The moons of Jupiter, where he was fighting Garou, mostly have atmospheres that are significantly thicker than that of our moon. In short, his "space breathing" feats are more that he is capable of surviving on gasses that humans generally aren't capable of surviving on, not him being able to survive in space.
As a 12 year old, Goku was breaking light speed. Ironically, one of the manga panels that was shown, is one where he is literally dodging a laser at point blank range. They are very much not comparable speed. Saitama's best is not even worth mentioning compared to a heavily low balled Goku. Even if we said that Goku's speed never increased from the above mentioned light speed (which is obviously ridiculous.), just transforming into god form, using a low ball for the multiplier, would still clock Goku in at over 4x a VERY generous estimate for Saitama's best speed feat (God form is a low ball of a 2 million times multiplier, which I can go into the details of where that number came from. Saitama's best speed feat was the fart that sent him from the sun to the Earth in around a second, then I multiplied it by a very generous 1,000x in order to take into consideration that it was a fart and not him actually moving.).
The whole point on the multiverse in Dragon Ball is actually not quite accurate. Though they call it "universe 7", and they say that they are destroying the universe, its actually FAR bigger than a universe. Just right off the bat, we know that there are multiple different time spaces within the living universe (the hyperbolic time chambers.). The fact that it contains multiple space times, means that the living universe is already a multiversal construct (to be a multiverse, there has to be multiple different space times.). But this is only scratching the surface. The canon guidebooks give a more detailed explanation of the Dragon Ball cosmology. In which it explains that the demon realm exists, which is a mirror of the living realm. It then explains how there is Heaven, Hell, Yemma's realm, Kais realm, outer space (macrocosm space, not space like in the universe.), and the Kaioshin Realm, which puts us at multi multiversal already. But it STILL doesn't end there. Those same guidebooks (again, canon guidebooks.), tell us that Heaven transcends space and time. This means that Heaven is an outerversal construct, as it exists beyond the concepts of space and time. And that STILL isn't all of it, but I won't go into any further detail, since this is already massive overkill for the power scaling compared to the OPM universe.
The above point aside, the strength category is still ridiculously one sided, even when extremely generous to Saitama. Saitama's best feat was the serious punch squared, and immediately after that punch, it was directly stated that Saitama could go all out against Garou, and he would get back up. Considering that Garou matched that punch (which is what made it squared.), and he had no reason to be holding back, we know that Saitama's strength at that point is more or less in that ballpark. Using the manga panel that shows the destruction, we can count up that 16,500 stars were destroyed. However, lets high ball Saitama dramatically, and say that every star that was destroyed was actually a galaxy. So, Saitama was capable of destroying 16,500 galaxies, or he is very low multi galaxy level. On the other hand, lets massively low ball Goku, and say that his clash with Beerus in the BOG arc, is only universal, AND that Beerus provided half the force of the feat, putting Goku at half universal level. This would mean that Saitama's best is 1/ 100 quintillionth of Goku's power during the BOG battle. Its not even remotely close.
The durability section was lacking a little bit. "he is really durable" isn't really an answer. Here are the facts. Goku on a massive low ball, was capable of dishing out and taking universe busting attacks during an extended fight. On the other hand, Saitama was physically reacting to low multi solar system level attacks in the Garou fight. The same high balls for Saitama, and low balls for Goku that I pointed out in the strength paragraph still apply here as well. Its not even remotely close. Base Goku wouldn't even flinch at something that would turn Saitama into a red mist.
At the end of the day, Goku MASSIVELY outclasses Saitama in every meaningful way. Strength, speed, durability, skill, abilities, battle IQ, all of it. Saitama doesn't stand a chance.
Oh, ok thanks for bringing up these points and corrections I appreciate it
If we look at just stats and feats imo goku definitely, but if we take in account for gokus character, it would lead to goku going easy which would allow to saitama to catch then being some jiren v goku type fight where they both were adapting to eachother
Yeah definitely
IMO, Saitama wins due to just being a joke character. However, people are indeed free to have their own thoughts on who'd win lol
What I dislike most about these types of discussions is that people disrespect and hate on the opposing character, leading to an eternal argument to whoever would win. This doesn't just apply to Saitama vs Goku.
Bascially, it's just been a war of words, anger and denial. It'd be amazing if we could talk about who'd win without erupting into anger
I fucking love Goku! and I also love Saitama! But, It's sad that we can't always have a normal and nice convo about these two characters.
Because people just wanna win, not discuss. And that's so unfortunate lol
Also good video, keep it up man
Definitely bro
Thanks I appreciate it
How is he a joke character of we see him struggle against Garou and have to get stronger
@@Asmokedetector .. Were we reading the same manga?
I always thought that saitama wins because even if goku can "compare" to saitama's stats, having a set number as your stat is infinitely lower than infinity. even if goku has better training than saitama (cough.. @JRVARSITY21. ..cough cough) somehow saitama still came out with infinite stats. even after all of that, idk because hakai seems undodgeable. ill have to look more into it
I can see what you mean
Saitama doesn't have infinite stats, he has no limiter so he can keep getting stronger, there's a difference, Garou finds Saitama's limit and they grow stronger together as they fight, even if Saitama did beat him, they were both well below Universal when the fight ended.
Goku, however, is already Multiversal bare minimum, Goku would oneshot and speedblitz.
@@Asmokedetector Garou in some point was much stronger than Saitama, and he didn't damage him, the only thing that grows is his strength, his endurance is unknown, probably infinity
@@d4Cheese Hakai destroys gag characters, and Saitama is way too slow to react anyway.
@@Asmokedetector then why the hakai can't destroy Zeno sama
Goku would win if he speedblitz Saitama but if he does Goku things and let Saitama grow stronger then eventually saitama would overpower goku, and mentioning saitama limiter is infinite but doesn’t mean he is as strong it just means he has infinite potential, sayians break their limits but gain a new limit afterward breaking the initial limit but saitama broke his and never got a new limiter so he is technically boundless if he grows rapidly at a constant state but it would rarely happen Because their would need to be stronger and stronger villains for saitama to grow as quicky in regards if saitama could somehow last enough to outgrow against a full serious goku edited: other thing if saitama takes damage for once do you think he would heal at a super rapid rate or heal normally in the anime he has never taken actual damage in a fight so this question is just a what if. Since all his stats are way above average you would assume his healing would be as well right??
Honestly, I agree, but I don't think Saitama would need to heal if he can just tank the attack like every attack he's received in the show. That is a very interesting question though 🤔
@@JFAMERICA yea but if we talking about Goku vs Saitama he should AT LEAST take damage right but would he heal quickly or heal the same rate as a human? Cause his endurance is super high so he basically never takes damage even after getting attacked by planet level moves??
@frazix8382 Since he's better than a human basically, I'd assume that he'd heal faster
@@JFAMERICA would that mean he would recover everything faster such as stamina?? Goku and other sayins Don't have something to recover stamina or Ki back they can run out but we never seen Saitama had any issue with stamina edited: and also Saitama has like somewhat gag powers where he is able to grab hyperspace portals?? With his hand?
@frazix8382 I would assume he could, but I'm not the author, so I don't know
saitama broke his limiter
so uhh
no limit is better than a limit
i think saitama wins after a long, hard fight
It's possible
I have a question bro, hit and goku basically they're almost at the same speed, right? then dyspo has more speed than them, and then why is that dyspo has use to his super ear to hear the body movement of hit, if sound speed is much slower than lightspeed? if they are above lightspeed then they can hit each other many times before the sound will reach his ear, right? and bro when does goku become a universal level? its when he fought beerus, right? the clash of their fist.. but does the earth obliterated from their punches? no, right? its mean the impact that the supreme kai feels is just the ki impact not destructive as saitama and garou, so, basically saitama is more durable, faster, and stronger than any of dbs heroes.... i'm not a dbs hater bro I grew up with and I really thought he is so much faster but from that fight I had my doubt and no doubt bro he is strong, and he has an martial art advantage against saitama but it still won't work when garou fought him.... so, for me bro he's way too strong for goku.
Ok, I understand you, but I'll try to answer your questions.
1. Dyspo isn't the only character at or above the speed of light. Basically, goku is too. I don't know why that statement is made if his speed is surpassed even in the TOP.
2. Goku should be at least universal or whatever whenever he fought beerus. It just wouldn't make sense that they destroyed earth since that's where the story takes place. So I think they are capable of destroying a universe, if not multiple, but they are limited to not destroying earth.
I hope this makes a little sense, but I do like your ideas
Goku is faster than ToP Dyspo at this point in the manga
@@JFAMERICA no bro, from the moment dyspo uses his ear from the TOP, it means they're nowhere near at lightspeed, dyspo probably at sound speed at best maybe? but maybe in the current chapter they'll be at lightspeed and for goku against beerus I did not mean to destroy the earth but "is the earth is in danger from that punch collision?" I mean their punches is not even explode it's just no raw power behind it, it was just their ki clashing, maybe their ki is universal level but their raw strength is nowhere near to saitama.
@@Asmokedetector maybe...
@user-bi1qi7xf2m At this point, who knows
I edged to this
You're not the first one
@@JFAMERICAlol
Saitama pretty easily wins, Goku would keep punching him and it would do no damage
That makes sense
@TheGigaTop that would happen if the fight was done in the opm universe, but this would be incorrect considering verse equalization.
@@TheGigaTop it is
Goku is like infinitely stronger, realistically krilin one shots the verse
If you think that it's ok
Saitama is 4 dimensional, that alone is stronger than all db verse clown
@@donpolloarabian-qg1dr Anyone who is stronger than Goku in SSJG from GOD saga has the power of 4D being since they can destroy 3 space-time continuums.
1 Dragon Ball universe has at least 3 infinite planes of existance in it and 1 outside of it which was almost destroyed too.
Those being: Mortal Realm, Heaven and Dai Kaio planet which was stated to be infinite.
And the last one outside being Kaioshin world
Pretty much 3 infinite places in 1 infinite place and 1 infinite place outside said infintie place.
But credit is due where credit is due, the only 4D being that is 4D itself is Zamasu who needed to be erased by Zeno (who is technically 3D being so Dragon Ball characters can indeed kill 4D beings)
Not even talking about stuff like Hyperbolic time chamber which has its own space-time also and its said to be infintie too and it was destroyed multiple times which puts people who did it in 4D category.
So yeah, even if Saitama is 4D (which I doubt, he might just have enough power to fight 4D being), Goku still slams because he can output a power that is far beyond a 4D being, possibly a 5D being.
Neither are 4D @@AnonDIO
@@noonespecialtbh ?
Goku current base form is al way above Universel so goku base solos badly and it’s not even close
I could see this being true
mhmm
I don't really see what you're trying to say, and btw, your comment looks like something your pfp would say, or at least I think so 🤔
@@JFAMERICA True
Post more often lil bro
I'm trying, but it takes me a while to get through the whole video making process.
@@JFAMERICAlm just joking, l edge to your vids😌
@Copingeditor I don't know if I should be proud of this 🤔
@@JFAMERICAldk pookie, it's a tough one🤔
Now pookie? Yeah you may need some time out
saitamas stats arent infinite, he just has infinite potential which goku also has 😭😭 tho saitama grows quicker
Oh well, thanks for telling me, but I blame the source
@@JFAMERICA all good it's a common mistake
Nope not true he doesn’t grow faster remember Saiyans has zenkai
@@Mui_Goku01 even with zenkais, Saitama was able to go from planetary - low solar system level to low galaxy in around 20 minutes meanwhile Goku trained like 40 years of his life to reach universal,but current base Goku slams he's like around high uni in base so yea
@@finalcraft1027low solar and low galaxy is a disgusting lowball (goku still solos tho)