Curufin: Son of Fëanor | Tolkien Explained
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- Son of Fëanor and father of Celebrimbor, Curufin's life would be one marked by bringing great evil upon others, and himself. The Oath would drive him to great evil - and his own doom. It would even cause a parting of the ways between Curufin and Celebrimbor.
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NOTE: I misspoke in reading my script for this video, Curufin is the 5th son of Fëanor.
Could you do videos about other sons of Fëanor? I would like to see them.
@@johanabigasova6770 he has one other video up currently for Sons of Feanor and he will get them all eventually. th-cam.com/video/j6OycdMnvuk/w-d-xo.html hope this helps
Do you think Celebrimbor was a kinslayer too at Alqualondë? Never mentioned directly but it seems impossible that he wasn't if he followed his father into exile.
What if. Aragorn took the ring (scene in the film) when the ring fell frodo when he fell in the snow.
Or what if boromir successfully took the ring from Frodo
@@joshuavanniekerk4524 Well you're quite obnoxious, aren't you.
Feanor and his sons are among the most interesting part of Tolkien's legendarium.
An adaption done well would be so good.
I'd say Finwe and his line are all the most interesting part, not just Feanor's.
I think that whole family tree is really interesting tbh
I agree ❤
Pretty much drive the whole story from Trees on.
Watching the video today. I am reminded of the following -
Curufin: *participates in the Kinslayings of innocents and tries to kill Beren*
Also Curufin: *Comes across Eol the a-hole* " oh look at that. We have laws preventing me from killing other elves and such!"
Хотя он хотел его убить. Да и он убивал родственников в основном из за клятвы. А Берена из за брата.
@@samleroy2964 It's the same reason why sharks don't bite lawyers - professional courtesy.
The kinslaying was driven by another oath, so in their mind they’d be committing this atrocity for an honourable cause
Tolkien provided Old English names for some of his characters. For Curufin, the name Cyrefinn Facensearo was given, from the Old English words cyre ("choice"), facen ("deceit, guile, wickedness"), saeru ("skill"), and Facensearo ("treachery").
In Romania his nane literally means: "The smooth ass". I burst of laughing when you pronounce his name. 😂😂😂
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Tolkien himself spoke multiple languages and was a scholar of the field, now I know what it means in Romania I think this is probably intentional LOL
Great character video as always! You should do one about Huan, "The Dog that Defeated Sauron," and Carcharoth, "The Wolf that Killed the Dog that Defeated Sauron"
That sweet doggo deserves a lot of head pats, tummy rubs, and treats.
Curufin and Celegorm always gave me the impression that they were the most malicious of Feanor's sons, and they have to their names more wicked deeds than positive ones. Being the first ones to die seems like a fitting punishment, and I wouldn't be surprised if they have to spend an eternity at the Halls of Mandos alongside their father until their final chance to redeem themselves.
Feanor did nothing wrong.
@@blenderbananaeven if he committed no kin slaying or condemning the remaining host to either go back or walk the helcaraxa, I would only agree if feanor went for his revenge alone/with immediate family.
As much I love feanor and his mighty deed (especially fighting multiple balrogs) he forgot he's king first and ultimately doomed his people for a terrible fate in his pride and blind hatred.
Feanor.
did.
nothing.
wrong. @@alzanari1274
@@alzanari1274 I dont see it like that
In Feanor's mind he helped his people by leading them out of Valenor.
He understood that only only decadence awaited the Noldor in Tirion and Valenor. Not to mention the fails the Valar did to the elves by allowing Morgoth to kill their king and steal the Silmarils.
He, and a lot of elves from a lot of clans also perceived that, life far away from valenor and the Valar was better back when the elves lived in the shores of Cuiviénen. And i do belive Feanor had a point on that.
Probably my favorite question in Tolkien's work. Was Feanor good or evil?. On one hand, yes he did commit horrible atrocious to the Teleri elves, on the other hand, from his point of view, the Valar were doing nothing about Melkor causing trouble on Valinor, they asked Feanor to hand over his prize possessions because they had failed to defend the trees. It seems like he was the only person that actually wanted to do anything to fight Morgoth, even if it did come from a bad place. Feanor makes a perfect "anti-hero" as he did do some good things, even though they came from a bad place in his heart. (Just my 2 cents, I can see people feel very strongly about Feanor and I'm just trying to shine light on both sides of the argument)
Another great video Matt, its interesting to see how alike and also how different all the sons of Feanor were, like Curufin, Celegorm and Caranthir really follow after Feanor in all ways while Maglor and Maedhros were more a little more sympathetic when Maedhros goes back to look for Dior’s sons and then Maglor going back for Elros and Elrond after the 3rd Kinslaying. I love the fact that Celebrimbor see’s the mistakes of his father and distances himself from him instead of following in his footsteps.
When I initally read about the Silmarils, each time the oath was raised, tragedy and bitterness followed. Ultimately the oath only benefited Morgoth, even when he lost a Silmaril to Beren.
The Oath ultimately brought down Morgoth, bcs it's likely that the Valars and the calaquendi would remained stuck in Valinor until almost no elf or uncorrupted man remained in Beleriand. Even the 2,3 Kinslaying helped because pushed Earendil and Elwing out of their confort zone so to say :))) #Feanordidnothingwrond ✨ xDDD
@@MrTrakiiskiI'm not convinced of this, to me, one of if not the main reason the valar did not wage war against morgoth was the oath and the noldors, as that would be partially condoning their flight and the actions that followed, the valar closed their lands and acted only after pardon was given.
The art work is gorgeous and great video
I especially love Jenny Dolfen's work.
@@TolkienAnswers yes
Without actually looking it up, I'm guessing that Tolkien intended the 'dh' in names like Maedhros to be pronounced like the 'th' in 'this', not like the 'th' in 'thirsty'. The spelling 'dh' is sometimes used in transliteration to denote the voiced dental fricative to separate it from the unvoiced one. I'm just assuming that this is the reason that Tolkien used both and in his spelling of names: different sounds.
That's probably right. As for me, I'm even more bothered about the way he pronounces some vowels and diphtongs, especially "ae", as is "Maeethros". Vowels should always be clear.
Nargothrond is another example, where he turns the first "o" into an /ʌ/. It's not a crime, but an elf would rapidly detect his English accent.
Ahh i love the story of the sons of Feanor, thank u for this hope we get the other sons of Feanor especially the Ambarussa twins or Maglor and the family linked history with Elrond and his family
@bastiat Great-great-grandson, actually, I think. Elrond is the son of Eärendil, son of Idris, daughter of Turgon, son of Fingolfin.
@bastiat on his mother's side he and his twin brother are the son's of Elwing and Earendil, the grandson's of Dior and Nimloth, the great grandson's of Beren and Luthien and the great-great grandson's of Thingol and Melian.
Awesome as always..👍 Matt your voice and style of telling their story does justice to these epic characters when you narrate and imitate them.
Great video about a character I have despised since I first started reading Silmarillion in the 80s. I found it satisfying to read about his death in the sack of Doriath. I adored Maglor, and for Maedhros, I felt pity.
I need to write a rhetorical analysis essay based off a speech, and was wondering what the best/your favorite speeches are in Tolkien's works or that Tolkien gave out himself. I'd love to do an analysis on any of those and just wondering what your favorite is!
Liking this so the channel owner can see
I saw today that living anachronism (another channel) on youtube loves the Oxford 1959 speech, just made me want to leave it here :)
Perhaps the words of Eru after the Music of the Ainur. Melkor that thou shall knowest that No Music shall be played in my despite and he that attempth that shall prove to be my instrument in devising things greater than his understanding and shall resound to my greater glory in the end.
I realize I'm not the one you asked, but maybe I can give some insight? My personal favorite is the short speech faramir has when he says
"War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend"
Maybe that's too short of a speech? But I love it. Good luck with your paper!
Nice video, I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next video on Sons of Fëanor!
Btw. I don't think that Celebrimbor is proud and ambitious. He was swayed by Sauron just because of his desire of knowledge, which is nothing bad (it's actually pretty common Noldor trait). If he would be proud like his father or grandfather, he would never seek council of Gil-Galad and Galadriel, nor giving them three most powerful rings.
His actions not following his father and, essentially, renouncing the family oath show a decent character. His friendship with the dwarves is another plus for him.
YESSSS! Finally, a new son of Fëanor video! I love learning more about them:)
Father of the Ring Forger and Son Of The Oath Of Feanor! Great Video again
Oh, i love the Silmarilion's characters...Please for the next chapter Indis or her daughters Findis and Írimë.
Love this series, keep up the great work Matt!
I was wondering what Fëanor thinks of his sons after what they did in their lifes and what could be his reaction in the houses of Mandos
He himself would've done anything to get back the Silmarils, so I imagine he'd have supported their efforts but heavily criticised their failure.
@@White_Hawk Exactly what I was thinking: "Good job, everyone, but next time, do better."
Another fantastic character study! Love this series on the sons of Fëanor
In storytelling of the past, tales of seven sons implied something extraordinary would happen, blessing or curse. I wonder if Tolkien had something of this in mind when creating the seven sons of Fëanor?
He must have, it makes perfect sense
Feanor and his sons are one of the best part in the silmarillon. Brilliant video. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos.
Once again a great video. Thanks dude
0:36 says that Curufin is the 6th son of Feanor.... isn't he the 5th? Maedhros, Maglor, Celegorm, Caranthir, Curufin, Amrod & Amras.
The only time Curufin had the chance to kinslay and probably should have done it was when he came across Eol but decides not to.
Just realized how the Union of Maedhros could actually have been a success if it weren't for Celegorm and Curufin ruining things everywhere they went ( Doriath- Beren and Luhtien fiasco, Nargathrond- Finrod and Orodreth ).
He did say he misspoke in reading his script for today's video.
@@indio4-215 yeah they posted the comment a few hours after I did
Love all your videos!!!
It's sad how they swore to help their father to get the Silmirils(Pardon my spelling) back, and how so much death came of it. I bet they wished I bet to break their vows, and be free, but alas they couldn't.
Nice I've been waiting for these videos
great video as always
Well done, man
Keep up the great work Mellon! Curufin, he was the Woist! September 2nd is knocking...whooooodie whoooooooo! ECTHELION!
I love these videos so much I need more of Feanors family tree.
I fanfic about one more son would contain the scholary traits of Feanor - Nolme(philosohpy quenya) Luincan (bluesight) and maybe he could've brought up more wisdom in their decisions helping Maedhros in reasoning with the others xD
Curufin, spelled "cwrw ffin", has a real meaning in Welsh: "border beer" (cwrw - beer, ffin - boundary, limit, border).
i do hope you'll be making a video on Thingol soon enough. very important character of the first age!
Thanks for the video I really enjoyed it! and im looking forward to your video on Eol, hes always been of great interest to me. And also i just got in the mail my copy of the Silmarillion with illustration by Ted Nasmith. Its so cooool I love it!
Time for some nerdy Tolkien knowledge 😊
Did Curufin make the knife Beren stole? Having a father and son who were the greatest smiths ever makes me wonder if Curufin himself was a good smith.
I think in a very recent In Deep Geek video, perhaps the knife 'Angrist' was a weapon forged by perhaps the greatest Dwarf craftsman/weapon smith of the First Age, whose name eludes me at the moment.
The knife was made by the dwarf Telchar. Who also makes Narsil and the Dragon Helm of Dor-Lomin
@@tonypapas9854 The same dwarf that made Narsil, Telchar.
@@nathanisaac6142 you are right I just looked it up
I fanfic about some mighty swords and armor or enchanted (blessed) crown circlets that Curufinwe made for his brothers. (I imagine that Feanor didn't bother with such lesser objects to craft, other for himself)
Nice video. Hoping for something dol amroth related soon.
There's so much emotions thru the story of Feanor and fam. There's sadness, beauty, etc! Another great video!🔥⚔️
Ps: I bet you have been very very busy, but I sent you an email last week, thanks!
It's really cool withy Tolkeins mythos, that it's the classic good guys vs evil guys while also a very nuanced picture where the supposed "good guys" are not so good guys all the time.
I was wondering when you would get back to the sons of Fëanor. You should do the videos of the others more often.
Can’t wait to see the videos of the other sons of feanor
Your videos are awesome. Keep doing what you’re doing 👍🏻 also what music do you use in your videos??
These guys love jewels so much, you’d think they’d all be covered in piercings and jewelry.
One of my favourite elves in the Middle Earth universe. Yes I know he was essentially kinda evil but he has one of the biggest influences on the world of any other character. His knife Angrist was used to cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown and his son Celebrimbor forged the rings of power. He also met Eol, another of my favourite characters. After Feanor, he is the greatest smith that ever lived. (Though Matt says it's Celebrimbor) He also helped kill Dior, which for some inexplicable reason, I've never really liked.
I fanfic about some mighty swords and armor or enchanted (blessed) crown circlets that Curufinwe made for his brothers. (I imagine that Feanor didn't bother with such lesser objects to craft, other for himself) ✨✨✨
Early!! Great video! ❤
Look I'm not saying anything BUT a respectable tv show in the hands of capable and skilled people about Fëanor and his sons containing the many tales in between the first and end is far more exiting than the rings of power even if more expensive
I love that the season 4 doomsday machine turned out to be their Roomba, and they just didn't know that the dust bunnies had whole civilizations of sentient life on them.
The names are interesting. Name x means y, expressing certain traits the person actually has. I wonder whether (in universe) the names were given to the elven children after a few years, so they could be somewhat descriptive, or their parents had some idea about how their children will turn out.
Kind of yes. At birth they were given a name by their father, after a few years when their traits were more known they were given a name by their mother, and some Elves were given a sort of "nickname" usually based on their achievements or notable traits.
The father-name is almost never used, most Elves were usually known by their mother-name translated into Sindarin. A notable exception is actually Galadriel, whose usual name is actually the nickname. Another example is Finrod Felagund, which are father-name and nickname respectively.
It actually reminds me of Roman naming conventions, where you had a birth-name that's only used at home, a family name that's used everywhere else, and could get a nickname based on achievements. A good example of all three in order would be Gaius Iulius Caesar.
@@krupam0 Thanks, didn't know that!
In romanian, Curufin means: "the smooth ass" :))
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Imagine a Game about the first age. Which gives us complex protagonists. Where we get to play as the sons of Feanor
Hey, thanks for the amazing content! Question: Do you think it would have changed anything if Orodreth and Thingol had joined the alliance in The Nirnaeth Arnoediad?
According to the analysis of Angband that I watch it would be mission impossible to be overrun. And maybe it was even for the better, bcs the casualties weren't that great since not everyone were present
Thank you.
We need more videos on Sons of Feanor.
are you doing all the sons of feanor? thatd be awesome
Ive been waiting for this video for so long and it was amazing. By the way can we suggest videos?
you can try, i guess xD
Hello all, i have a question about Middle Earth books.
Currently reading Silmarilion (Finished the story of it moments ago, and now starting the Akalabeth chapter, what i want to know is, which book contains the entire story of Gil-Galad and all those Second Age stories with Celebrimbor, Sauron as Annatar and others?
Loved the silmarilion so far, and i have the original LotR to read but i wanted to read the older stories before venturing into that.
Sorry if there was a video explaining this, came straight to comments to get help honestly
Great story of Eol and how his son Maigalin..suffer the same fate
Would you ever do a video on the history of Fangorn and any events that took place in and around there?
Imagine the stir if Treebeard or Quickbeam decided to visit the Shire! And then decide to take a tour of the Old Forest and then visit Bombadil and Goldberry. I imagine Prof. Tolkien would've got a good chuckle out of that, could nearly have been a Wodehouse-type story.
Will the children of Fingolfin grace us one day?
Make a video about EOL the dark elf he has very good and dark story, kinda evil elf. ☠️ and good work as always bro ✌️
I borrowed the silmarillion from library and i am so existed to read it
Does anyone have any idea what music NOTR is using?
Interesting video
Eol the Dark Elf is a curious character. He's a "Dark Elf", but doesn't share most of the archetypes a "Dark Elf" character is associated with? (Ofc he might even be the first Dark Elf, so that makes sense).
I believe his "dark elf" is more associated with his way of life, isolated in the dense dark florest of Nan Elmoth.
There are no black elves in Tolkiens works.
Me just casually listening to these videos while working out👌
I fanfic about some mighty swords and armor or enchanted (blessed) crown circlets that Curufinwe made for his brothers. (I imagine that Feanor didn't bother with such lesser objects to craft, other for himself)
Love it!
A vid idea the complete ages so the complete valian and year of the trees first age second third and what we know of forth
Need a Beleg Strongbow video
Curufin looks like the 40k Emperor in some of these arts but less gaudy.
In my language curu means ASS and fin means SMOOTH....
Sooo...... imagine my surprise when i first learned about Curufin
Another great video. It's incredible to see just how much deep lore Tolkien wrote for Middle Earth, whoa.
The idea of these multiple sons of Feanor perhaps cames from the twelve sons of Jacob in the Old Testament?
Curufin was such a putz.
Are you going to finish the son's of Feanor?
Curufin: winner of Beleriand's Biggest Jerk Award - also of the First Age's Most Classic Self-Own.
Who was Curufin's wife? Btw the artwork is breathtaking.
Like Legolas' mother, Curufin's wife (Celebrimbor's mother) was never given a name nor origin within the Legendarium
Pretty Skillful guy
I fanfic about some mighty swords and armor or enchanted (blessed) crown circlets that Curufinwe made for his brothers. (I imagine that Feanor didn't bother with such lesser objects to craft, other for himself)
How did elves survived so long with only sons XD
With so much evil of that age wrought by the sons of feanor, it makes you wonder if the free peoples Beleriand really knew who all its Enemies were.
Stories of the First Age.
I'll watch it rq
Lore Quiz:
Q: What does Curufin weigh?
A: Fëanor, because CurufinWË…GET IT?
This is the second time I have heard you imply that Celebrimbor had been to Gondolin, do you have any reference to support that?
In Unfinished Tales, we have "The History of Galadriel and Celeborn", Chapter IV in Part II - The Second Age. There we have a section titled "The Elessar", where it is told that Enerdhil of Gondolin made a green gem with imprisoned sunlight within: elessar, the Elfstone. Enerdhil gave it to Idril and she gave it to Eärendil her son; and with him the gem passed away to Aman.
Then the Elves say to things about the gem's final faith: either Olórin (already as Gandalf) brought it back to Middle-earth and gave it to Galadriel so she could pass it to its final owner (Aragorn II yet to be born); or that Celebrimbor received Galadriel in Eregion before Annatar's time there, and after talking to her he remembered his time in Gondolin and the work of Enerdhil his friend, and made her an Elfstone (similar to the first one but still lesser powerful), which was given to Celebrían her daughter, and so it came to Arwen and then to Aragorn II
@@leonardofaber5823 That is not canon, JRRT emended it. In that version Celebrimbor wasn't even a descendant of Feanor.
@@fordp69 I just answerd your question about where Matt took that info from. Never said it was relevant for the cannonicity of events. Why did he decide to use it? Well, it is up to him to tell
@@leonardofaber5823 That's cool. Can't expect you to read his mind ;-)
@@fordp69 If JRRT amended it, then surely it is canon?
Why do elves usually not have facial hair?
@AA Thank you! Funny enough I just watched a video that went over this today, most elves dont start growing facial hair until their 3rd age cycle which is thousands and thousands of years. Thats what I was told in said video anyway lol
Fun fact: his name loosely translates to "ass smooth" in Romanian.
I still dont get how someone like dior killed three sons of feanor before he died he was younger and outnumbered
It was an invasion, not an attack of just the sons of Fëanor on Dior.
There is another Tolkien's version that the Feanorians were ambushed by the iathrims AFTER they killed Dior and took the Silmaril, and also another version that they start a fight among themselves and...they butchered themselves...#justfeanorianthings xD
10.53 The Son's of Dior are never found and their fate is unknown. I thought this was Elrond and Elros?
NOPE: You are right! I skipped a generation.
Just a fun fact curufin literally translates in romanian as smooth ass😅😂😂
Acrost...
Never trust an elf!
i just realized rings of power is out I have no intention of watching it and this is like waaaay more enjoyable it seems
"Hair pulling and jumping about..." It is why no one should ever be crowned as Monarch, ever again, in any reasonable future on Earth. The unreasonable, however, sometimes triumphs.
3:03 This definitely isn't true. Finrod also befriends the dwarves, and even gets their help in developing the Thousand Caves in Nargothrond.
True, and Maedhros was friends with the dwarf-king Azaghal of Belegost. However, Curufin was the only Noldo allowed to learn Khuzdul. Evidently, his friendship with the dwarves was much deeper: they seem to have considered him almost an honorary dwarf.
they're all Middle Earth chads x
👍👍👍👍👍
I forget just how terrible the Sons of Feanor truly are
Curufin and Celegorm are the only 2 I hate out of the Sons of Fëanor!
So you're happy when they both die in Second Kinslaying.
@@nobelmassinaarben2467 Well yes, but then they lead Elrond's Uncles and Parents to their Death...Maedhros and Maglor I prefer!!!
@@marionbaggins I'm curious about the Celegorm. Is he cruel? All I know is that he's just a man who pretends to be sexy and handsome.
@@nobelmassinaarben2467 He's Both?!!!
Google showed me Both Answers...He is just like Gaston...But No One is Like Gaston!!!
All 7 took part in all 3 kinslayings except for the ones who died before the last one. They are all reprehensible.
Sad and tragic.