It’s not weird. The chairman was supposed to be in his late twenties here, and Chiyo was approaching adolescence. Iwamura saw a sad and hurting child and had compassion on her. He wanted to show her kindness to bring a little light into her life and remind her she was worthy of respect and dignity. He gave her a gift ****without expecting anything in return****. He did not bribe her, he did not ask to see her again, he did not attach strings to his gift, he did not manipulate her, he did not oppress her, he did not disrespect her. His next interaction with her happens after she has entered adulthood and he recognizes her by her blue eyes, seeing how her situation of slavery and poverty has not changed, and he has compassion for her again. He sends a beacon of light to her again in the form of Mameha, giving her a chance at a respectable living, and a life away from the destitution she faces every day. As she develops into a formidable and desirable woman, with a bright mind and kind spirit, he begins to develop romantic feelings for her, watching her blossom into a paragon of beauty and art and goodness not only in her career, but in her womanhood as well. He honors her always, and continually puts her interests before his own. He did not groom her or trick her in any way, he showed her kindness and respect and that’s why she was drawn to him in the first place.
Thanks for this explanation. I haven’t seen the film, and am too used to older men grooming girls for prostitution, so the scene made me uncomfortable. I’m glad to learn the actions were sincere.
@@deviritter5232the book is way better than the movie I’ve read it ten times over the course of a decade, it’s my favorite book. It’s the only book that ever made me put it down to cry.
That's my thoughts too. Here, he just saw a sad little girl but when he sees her again when she's 15 whe can see him seems confuse because she was familiar
I find it disheartening to think people are so offended of just the sight of a man being around a little girl, even when he does absolutely nothing wrong within the context of the scene. He leaves her with a smile and then casually walks away. Is that a crime?
However you spin it, this is grooming, plain and simple. It was clear to him that she was part of an okiya, he commented on her physical attributes (eyes, smile), and went on to make it his business to ensure she was trained to be a geisha (i.e. in a position to sexually entertain him). While this cannot be judged by today's standards, it's still creepy as hell that people find it romantic
So wait... did the Chairman just say that he first noticed "and loved" Chiyo when they first met in the bridge? He fell in love with a kid... and he already had kids. Something just does not add up.
It's not about sexual love, but delivering kindness to a kid when you noticed that the kid need to be given an empathy. Than could be the higlight of the day for the kid, and remembered by the kid for the rest of his/her life. Maybe because she's as old as his children so that made him give her an act of mercy. Secondly, her eyes that made him remembers her, and secretly helped her in the background. That memory of 1 kindness is cheering her up when she grow up, quietly helping her to facing her daily struggle, inspiring her to have a thing to do in this life. Gave her a sense of hope & aim in life. She became fond of him as her "role model", "idol", etc.; That one person that's good in her life..... Eventually she became a woman, who's loving him in secret. Actually, in a real life a female student can become fond of her teacher. After a few years finished her school year, she then married to her beloved teacher. So this story is something in that line....
@@lunix3259 Well, that's only a love story of how a girl turning into a woman.... 🤗 Why take it so seriously? 😗📒📚 Maybe she got a father complex.... While another guys got Oedipus compex 🤷♀️🤷♂️ People used to marry young, so their age gap might "only" less than 20 years. Some ladies actually get interested in much older gentlemen... 😍🤓
Se enamoró de él, ya que fue el único que fue bueno con ella desde el comienzo y solo quería hacerla sentirse bien por un momento, el sabía que era una niña de una okia secuestrada. Ella solo quiere volver a verlo para poder sentirse amada y quedarse con él. Por suerte lo logra.
Her sister was a prostitute by force, the hell you mean she ran away with a boy??? Im still happy for Chiyo. People is so sensitive nowadays and try to find perversion in everything. You are all degenerates.
This is how I see one of my characters a little girl about same age as she is meets a 14th year old boy comes he buys her ice cream then when the little girl see's how the boy was so kind to her
Not a perfect movie but this scene is kinda on point for how we can be as little girls with our bent towards romanticism. In the movie he is the only person who was particularly nice to her up to this point.
El sintio compasion por la nena ,se impresionó con su belleza y por eaa razon decidio ayudarle a convertirse en geisha educarla,para q algun dia pudieran encontrarse 😢😢q bellisima historia.
I remember the time I've watched this movie for first time in Netflix it was pretty good the man who was extremely kind to her is my top favorite character from the movie
Do u see this enchanting lady in green once when she was just a maiko she feel clean off her wooden shoes , Geisha in green ,it's true I did Slightly odd feeling I'm getting anyone else. Chairman-how did you come by such enchanting eyes Chiyo-decided after her encounter with the chairman where he was kind in some parts despite having known him not long at all that she was in love ??? I signed up to be a geisha a place in his world I'm glad chiyo finds love and happiness in the end and in a geisha world it's not impossible But it would have could have been a option to have a long term friendship with the chairman where he looked out for people that would be her danias that wouldn't be weird like Dr crab and he could have introduced her to one of his grown children at the time and then they could have fallen in love her son could have been on of her long term Dania But yes age is just a number lots of many age bracket relationships that are happy and love is love it's just the meeting as a child and him a fully grown man I feel weird and odd about I'm sorry I can't shift that but when their adults it's less weird aslong as their happy I dunno what's everyone's thoughts ??? 😂
He is a repeating groomer offender. Sounds like he did the same to the lady in green. He bought her ice cream and some money that was pennies to him. Her father sold her, and this dad aged guy does the opposite. He is mentally matured and she is not. Not a fair playing field. If he really loved her. He would pay her debts. Help her find her sister. And let her move on with her life.
I think it was the least shitty of a bunch of shitty options for her, and I become frustrated when people gloss over that. No, the guy wasn’t a paedo, but there was still a massive power imbalance in that relationship and it sucks that that was the best that a woman in Sayuri’s position could have back then.
Just a head’s up for some important info on Japan for context : the age of consent for sex changed from 13 years old to 16 years old just this past summer 2023. Also, pre-war time, Japanese have always been more liberal when in comes to sex. It stems from the Heian period where after the Meiji era regulated matters more in order to emulate a more so called civilized western approach because of the reopening of the country by the Americans. Hence, don’t be surprised if this chairman fell for a child.
In the USA it used to be legal to keep black people as slaves, so I see “that’s how things used to be” as the START of a discussion about how humans did shitty things throughout history, not the end of the discussion where we all shrug and accept it.
Why do y'all say that? He was kind to her and walked away. She's the one who narrated how everything she did from that moment forward was to somehow be connected to him. He fell in love with her when she was a woman.
@@hanhanlon4441 I watched the movie and read the book. The Chairman clearly tells Chiyo he had Mameha turned her into a Geisha so she could become his mistress. He only step aside because Nobu took a liking to her. Their relationship is sick and never to be romanticize.
@@07Janina07 Well, I didn't read the book, just going by what's shown in the movie. I guess things were different in other eras and cultures. Even so, in the book, did he wait? Did he have any kind of relationship with her while she was a child?
@@hanhanlon4441 The Chairman is married man with children. Chiyo becomes his long term mistress. I do not find it romantic for a young girl to be sold into prostitution, groomed by an old man to become his mistress and then stay with said man thinking it is love. Chiyo deserved better, she is a broken person seeking love in the arms of the man who was instrumental into pushing her to a life of prostitution. The movie is beautifully done and it mutes a lot. The book is more expicit.
The thing that confuses me : why did the chairman secretly send Mameha to guide Chiyo to become a geisha? If he fell in love with chiyo, why did he make chiyo a geisha who cannot be a legal wife?
Maybe because when they met again by accident, he saw her situation didn't change and wanted to be sure she'll have a good life. According to the book, he's already married but Mameha says that some of their clients are trapped into arranged weddings.
The chairman is already married and has kids, he cannot marry again until after the war when his wife died. But the life of a woman in her period is either a servant, a prostitute or a geisha. The chairman wanted her to be a geisha so she will have a better life, not exactly perfect, but its better than a destitute lowly servant.
Many cultures allowed child bride or betroted at their birth with other families...and girls on those times looks for support and financial stability...they are prepared on earliest age to be married as there ar eno other opportunities fow women back den except prostitutes
😭, been to a sex worker once in my life, they are more loving than me. also we got off on the wrong foot, never went to any again even though its tempting, though i do watch porn. i feel bad for Chiyo, she had a hard life
Just like him I do like little girls because I often dream myself has a great uncle and fact soon I'll will my brother is having a kid and I'm looking forward for she or he to be born....I would love to buy my niece a ice cream which my favorite ice cream is mango and strawberry combined as for my nephew when he's a little older I love to take him to the movie theater
John Chapter 16 7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
It’s not weird. The chairman was supposed to be in his late twenties here, and Chiyo was approaching adolescence. Iwamura saw a sad and hurting child and had compassion on her. He wanted to show her kindness to bring a little light into her life and remind her she was worthy of respect and dignity. He gave her a gift ****without expecting anything in return****. He did not bribe her, he did not ask to see her again, he did not attach strings to his gift, he did not manipulate her, he did not oppress her, he did not disrespect her.
His next interaction with her happens after she has entered adulthood and he recognizes her by her blue eyes, seeing how her situation of slavery and poverty has not changed, and he has compassion for her again. He sends a beacon of light to her again in the form of Mameha, giving her a chance at a respectable living, and a life away from the destitution she faces every day.
As she develops into a formidable and desirable woman, with a bright mind and kind spirit, he begins to develop romantic feelings for her, watching her blossom into a paragon of beauty and art and goodness not only in her career, but in her womanhood as well. He honors her always, and continually puts her interests before his own. He did not groom her or trick her in any way, he showed her kindness and respect and that’s why she was drawn to him in the first place.
Thanks for this explanation. I haven’t seen the film, and am too used to older men grooming girls for prostitution, so the scene made me uncomfortable. I’m glad to learn the actions were sincere.
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@@deviritter5232 - You should definitely watch the film. It’s absolutely incredible. The cinematography is amazing, and the book is great as well.
EXACTLY!
@@deviritter5232the book is way better than the movie I’ve read it ten times over the course of a decade, it’s my favorite book. It’s the only book that ever made me put it down to cry.
She’s not alone! Even when I first watched this movie when I was a kid I thought the chairman was very handsome
that is a big weird
You should’ve watched it when you were a kid 😂 it’s 18+
Yeah, so true, when i 1st saw him, i find him very good looking man
And so Mohammed and Osama bin Laden
Such a beautifully made film. The music alone is really special.
I think he did not love her at first sight (the time she was a child) but he loved her on how she grew up to be
That's my thoughts too. Here, he just saw a sad little girl but when he sees her again when she's 15 whe can see him seems confuse because she was familiar
Your read on it is right, BUT there’s still a very big power imbalance in the relationship. I see the story as a deconstruction of Cinderella stories.
Ken Watanabe was so dreamy in this movie LOL.
I find it disheartening to think people are so offended of just the sight of a man being around a little girl, even when he does absolutely nothing wrong within the context of the scene. He leaves her with a smile and then casually walks away. Is that a crime?
Watch the rest of the movie.
@@kiwimusume I did see it, and I remember her completely aging to an adult right after this scene is over
However you spin it, this is grooming, plain and simple. It was clear to him that she was part of an okiya, he commented on her physical attributes (eyes, smile), and went on to make it his business to ensure she was trained to be a geisha (i.e. in a position to sexually entertain him).
While this cannot be judged by today's standards, it's still creepy as hell that people find it romantic
@@GoldenPhoenix101You're the one here using the word "romantic" to describe it, creep
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 Yeah, exactly, it's creepy. That's my point
So wait... did the Chairman just say that he first noticed "and loved" Chiyo when they first met in the bridge? He fell in love with a kid... and he already had kids. Something just does not add up.
It adds pedophile vibes :s
It's not about sexual love, but delivering kindness to a kid when you noticed that the kid need to be given an empathy. Than could be the higlight of the day for the kid, and remembered by the kid for the rest of his/her life.
Maybe because she's as old as his children so that made him give her an act of mercy. Secondly, her eyes that made him remembers her, and secretly helped her in the background.
That memory of 1 kindness is cheering her up when she grow up, quietly helping her to facing her daily struggle, inspiring her to have a thing to do in this life. Gave her a sense of hope & aim in life. She became fond of him as her "role model", "idol", etc.; That one person that's good in her life..... Eventually she became a woman, who's loving him in secret.
Actually, in a real life a female student can become fond of her teacher. After a few years finished her school year, she then married to her beloved teacher.
So this story is something in that line....
@@mirarami1055 That age gap bro.
@@lunix3259 Well, that's only a love story of how a girl turning into a woman.... 🤗 Why take it so seriously? 😗📒📚 Maybe she got a father complex.... While another guys got Oedipus compex 🤷♀️🤷♂️ People used to marry young, so their age gap might "only" less than 20 years. Some ladies actually get interested in much older gentlemen... 😍🤓
This relationship is messed up and wrong. I have to do mental gymnastics to accept it.
One of the beat foreign movies I’ve ever seen!! Tremendous story!
such a masterpiece this is
a humble man
an innocent girl
Woww the little girl is sooo cute
He gave hope and the gave her purpose
The music tho 😢 so heartbreaking
he's so handsome
This girl so very very very very cute
My Favorite movie of all time
How the kind are so beautiful how can you not fall in love in such a cold people in life?
Se enamoró de él, ya que fue el único que fue bueno con ella desde el comienzo y solo quería hacerla sentirse bien por un momento, el sabía que era una niña de una okia secuestrada.
Ella solo quiere volver a verlo para poder sentirse amada y quedarse con él. Por suerte lo logra.
When I was younger, I was happy for Chiyo but now I think she should have run away with a boy her age the way her sister did.
I think the story is about growth. From a live not possible when she was a kid to growing up as a woman to pursue him.
Her sister was a prostitute by force, the hell you mean she ran away with a boy???
Im still happy for Chiyo. People is so sensitive nowadays and try to find perversion in everything. You are all degenerates.
@@moonmoon4011 if I remember well, Satsu had kind of a crush on a guy of their village and she came back to him
Just rewatched this movie. It is such a good movie and I’m all about reading Japanese culture.
Can't blame her i will fall in love too if someone talk and treat me like this
This is how I see one of my characters a little girl about same age as she is meets a 14th year old boy comes he buys her ice cream then when the little girl see's how the boy was so kind to her
I’m love with him already
Culture is a must. To be born Geisha.
Beautiful scene 👏🙏
Not a perfect movie but this scene is kinda on point for how we can be as little girls with our bent towards romanticism. In the movie he is the only person who was particularly nice to her up to this point.
El sintio compasion por la nena ,se impresionó con su belleza y por eaa razon decidio ayudarle a convertirse en geisha educarla,para q algun dia pudieran encontrarse 😢😢q bellisima historia.
I remember the time I've watched this movie for first time in Netflix it was pretty good the man who was extremely kind to her is my top favorite character from the movie
The movie is cool and all, but the age gap is huge.
Do u see this enchanting lady in green once when she was just a maiko she feel clean off her wooden shoes ,
Geisha in green ,it's true I did
Slightly odd feeling I'm getting anyone else.
Chairman-how did you come by such enchanting eyes
Chiyo-decided after her encounter with the chairman where he was kind in some parts despite having known him not long at all that she was in love ??? I signed up to be a geisha a place in his world
I'm glad chiyo finds love and happiness in the end and in a geisha world it's not impossible
But it would have could have been a option to have a long term friendship with the chairman where he looked out for people that would be her danias that wouldn't be weird like Dr crab and he could have introduced her to one of his grown children at the time and then they could have fallen in love her son could have been on of her long term Dania
But yes age is just a number lots of many age bracket relationships that are happy and love is love it's just the meeting as a child and him a fully grown man I feel weird and odd about I'm sorry I can't shift that but when their adults it's less weird aslong as their happy I dunno
what's everyone's thoughts ??? 😂
He is a repeating groomer offender.
Sounds like he did the same to the lady in green.
He bought her ice cream and some money that was pennies to him.
Her father sold her, and this dad aged guy does the opposite.
He is mentally matured and she is not.
Not a fair playing field.
If he really loved her.
He would pay her debts.
Help her find her sister.
And let her move on with her life.
I think it was the least shitty of a bunch of shitty options for her, and I become frustrated when people gloss over that. No, the guy wasn’t a paedo, but there was still a massive power imbalance in that relationship and it sucks that that was the best that a woman in Sayuri’s position could have back then.
Read the book. It'll blow ur mind. We all have to make the best of whatever hand we get
To meet him again
Still he fell in love with a child hahahhahaha
Isn’t weird to see people romanticize a messed up situation all around? 🤣
@@mielissa100ify Even when I was 13, I had a huge infatuation with the chairman and wanted to marry him too. He is so handsome.
He didn't.
@TheWolves24 well he waited till she was 18 but still he waited, so that means he was indeed in love with her
@Esma Kaplan Not when he met her as a child though? He knew her for years before he became her danna.
Just a head’s up for some important info on Japan for context : the age of consent for sex changed from 13 years old to 16 years old just this past summer 2023.
Also, pre-war time, Japanese have always been more liberal when in comes to sex. It stems from the Heian period where after the Meiji era regulated matters more in order to emulate a more so called civilized western approach because of the reopening of the country by the Americans.
Hence, don’t be surprised if this chairman fell for a child.
In the USA it used to be legal to keep black people as slaves, so I see “that’s how things used to be” as the START of a discussion about how humans did shitty things throughout history, not the end of the discussion where we all shrug and accept it.
i love historical movies such Apollo 13 Lincoln and the last Emperor
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The book is great but it pisses me of even more than in the movie I almost ripped the book 😂
Do you guys think it's a little strange she falls in love with someone who could be her dad
I think it started out as a harmless crush. Kids have a crush on adults all the time, like students have a crush on their teachers.
@@marybrown375 yeah I see that a lots of time in movies and shows
I think the white guy who wrote the story is a bit skeevy, especially since the real geisha he interviewed said the story was disrespectful.
Chị đóng đúng 10s trong phim. Tìm mãi mới ra phân cảnh "Geisha in green" 😅
poor child
Lovely 😍
Why do people even romanticize this? This is a grown man falling in love with a child. It's gross.
Why do y'all say that? He was kind to her and walked away. She's the one who narrated how everything she did from that moment forward was to somehow be connected to him. He fell in love with her when she was a woman.
@@hanhanlon4441 I watched the movie and read the book. The Chairman clearly tells Chiyo he had Mameha turned her into a Geisha so she could become his mistress. He only step aside because Nobu took a liking to her. Their relationship is sick and never to be romanticize.
@@07Janina07 Well, I didn't read the book, just going by what's shown in the movie. I guess things were different in other eras and cultures. Even so, in the book, did he wait? Did he have any kind of relationship with her while she was a child?
@@hanhanlon4441 The Chairman is married man with children. Chiyo becomes his long term mistress. I do not find it romantic for a young girl to be sold into prostitution, groomed by an old man to become his mistress and then stay with said man thinking it is love. Chiyo deserved better, she is a broken person seeking love in the arms of the man who was instrumental into pushing her to a life of prostitution. The movie is beautifully done and it mutes a lot. The book is more expicit.
@@07Janina07 It's fiction, jfc.
Comment section losing yall shit when this is FICTION. Calm down.
Woke twitter arrived here. I cant even enjoy a good book these days smh
@@user-jr4td2ro5e NO-ONE is saying you can't. Some people are mindful of the media that's consumed.
@@Moszan If that was the case Hollywood would have gone bankrupt a long time ago
Fiction is written by real people and sometimes real people write stupid things. You calm down.
@@user-jr4td2ro5eMy buddy my pal, I enjoyed this particular book the other day. I’m just not sensitive about people calling the author a perv.
Awesome.
❤this movie!!
I'm planning to becoming a writer and this book I'll be making in the future this scene is giving me ideas for one my characters in my book
I know it's in the book, but the blue contact lenses look ridiculous throughout the whole film.
You want real life? Turn off the screens and go out the front door.
In fact all I see is you doing a big gripe. You’re a sad man. Maybe go camping.
There are full blooded Japenese people who have blue eyes though.
The aspect of her having blue eyes is essential to the story, it wouldn't be the same without it. Plus, it looks great on these actresses.
Still my favorite movie but I think I need to read this cause its clicking…but it’s clicking DOWN. Iykwim😭
I always wondered....where is the japanese culture better reproduced? in "Memoirs of a Geisha" or in "Karate Kid 2"?
Neither. There's so much nuance about culture that they miss especially in cinematic form.
Neither of these were written or directed by a Japanese person, you can take better notes from films made by people who grew up in that culture.
To think that children did not have food
セクシーボイスアンドロボのにこですね！It's Nico from Sexy voice and Robo!
Its kinda disturbing
It’s one of those things where history was disturbing but also the way the author chose to write about that history is disturbing.
The thing that confuses me : why did the chairman secretly send Mameha to guide Chiyo to become a geisha? If he fell in love with chiyo, why did he make chiyo a geisha who cannot be a legal wife?
Maybe because when they met again by accident, he saw her situation didn't change and wanted to be sure she'll have a good life.
According to the book, he's already married but Mameha says that some of their clients are trapped into arranged weddings.
The chairman is already married and has kids, he cannot marry again until after the war when his wife died.
But the life of a woman in her period is either a servant, a prostitute or a geisha.
The chairman wanted her to be a geisha so she will have a better life, not exactly perfect, but its better than a destitute lowly servant.
وداعا حلمي الوحيد
아저씨를 좋아한다라... 난 눈밖에 안 보인다.
ถ้าอยู่ในหอนางโรม. ที่ญี่ปุ่น ก็น่าอยู่นะ มีงานบ้านให้ทำ.
It was suppose to be a movie
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Many cultures allowed child bride or betroted at their birth with other families...and girls on those times looks for support and financial stability...they are prepared on earliest age to be married as there ar eno other opportunities fow women back den except prostitutes
No I don't support a child bride but I think we should get back to pre-arranged marriages
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J- Nobody sleeps with a minor and try not to go to jail for accuse of rape
😭, been to a sex worker once in my life, they are more loving than me. also we got off on the wrong foot, never went to any again even though its tempting, though i do watch porn. i feel bad for Chiyo, she had a hard life
Kids, so naïve...
หมื่นยอดตอนเป็นเด็กเล็กๆคนหนึ่งสมัยนั้นมันเป็นเรื่องจริงที่ถูกค้นภพมา
Just like him I do like little girls because I often dream myself has a great uncle and fact soon I'll will my brother is having a kid and I'm looking forward for she or he to be born....I would love to buy my niece a ice cream which my favorite ice cream is mango and strawberry combined as for my nephew when he's a little older I love to take him to the movie theater
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This was a truly embarrassing farce.
Age consent in japan is 13 since 1907 😂 FBI : FREEZE U F** R
That man is disgusting 🤮🤮🤮
No, he isn’t grow up😠
How?
John Chapter 16
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Other geisha said for her that stink
First?
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