The RISE is a nice bike. I'm the owner of a custom ordered RISE and enjoy the bike. I would however recommend everyone stay away from Orbea as their customer service is unaccetable. The reason for me is straight forward, I custom ordered a RISE with all the Carbon options which resulted in a very expensive bike. When the bike finally arrived months later, they had substituted far less expensive parts in place of the carbon options i paid for. I thought, no big deal, they will make it right, if the carbon parts aren't available I can understand substituting them. They instead insisted that they can substitute any parts they want without any concern for the less value of the parts. Customer sevice (including the manager) stated and I quote "the sum of the bike parts have no impact on the value of the bike". Which is interesting since they sell many levels of the same bike with a wide cost range with the only difference being the sum of the parts installed. Given that philosophy as a company I can only recommend to avoid Orbea!
I would threaten them with a CC chargeback, that will likely change their tune in a hurry. You will have no issue with your CC company siding with you - you have the spec you paid for and you have what was delivered. Pretty clear cut.
Sounds like a lawsuit. I understand swapping out like for like on stock bikes, but doing it on a custom bike where paid extra for specific parts sounds like a scam.
@Lee-xs4dj i did consider that route. For now, I decided i would just share my experience so everyone can be better informed of what to expect from Orbea. It's such a bad business philosophy as it has cost them far more than if they would have just done what was right. The amount of people that come up to me at bike parks and ask how I like the bike is crazy. I share my experience, bike is awesome, company itself I cannot recommend them.
The flip chip is genius. The 16kg bike is insane. But otherwise, a 4-5k bike is what needs to happen. The prices are insane when folks are cross shopping convergence in electric motorcycles at lower prices.
Yeah mate, I could get a dirtbike for less than an e-bike with the same components as my bike minus the motor and battery. My bike is nice but not special. Saw an e-bike the other day that cost a used WRX, 2 decent mtbs and change for a couple of weekends away. How many plumbers are buying these things?? (My dentist said he wished he earned as much as his one. Really.)
And you could buy a watch that costs the same as my house. So what. There are cheaper options for poor people. And plumbers aren't poor in my experience.
Definitely one of the best looking and lighter e-mtb's. Would love to have one but the $10,000 +/- price is nuts. The bikes are evolving so fast my Levo SL is almost outdated.
IMHO, the Levo SL is awesome. It accomplished its mission perfectly. It is a small motor and battery. My Expert version weighs 42lbs with pedals. When I need the motor (or want it on:) it is there. Most of the time I cruise without the motor. I did not buy it to pretend I have a motorcycle. It is a bike first and an ebike second.
The Rise SL (+ older Rise), the Rise LT and the Wild are all perfect bikes for their respective applications. The LT looks like the best all-rounder option (and not a single compromise). Well done. I hope Orbea levels up their customer service to their design team's level.
With the claimed weight of just under 41lbs, did you actually weight the bike? Or is that the claimed manufacturer weight? Thanks for taking time to reply.
Spec has a lot more to do with weight differences, as the frames are usually only about 1-2 lbs apart. All the gram differences from the wheels, suspension spec and all other component differences add up. Most manufacturer's weight "highlights" are usually referencing a size medium in their most top-of-the-line build without pedals and smallest battery.
Da hat die Bikeindustrie sich mal wieder selbst übertroffen. Vor Jahren haben sie einen Motor verkauft (EP8). Dann haben sie den gleichen Motor gedrosselt und teurer verkauft (EP8 Rs). Jetzt verkaufen sie wieder den alten Motor, aber dafür teurer, weil sie sagen: „Wir verkaufen euch den alten Motor, aber haben ihn für euch gedrosselt. Weil ihr den alten Motor in gedrosselter Form ja gar nicht haben wollt, könnt ihr den aber entdrosseln, damit ihr wieder den alten Motor fahren könnt (EP RS+). Da ihr jetzt aber quasi wieder den alten EP8 fahren könnt, nehmen wir einen ordentlichen Preisaufschlag.“ Habe ich das so richtig zusammengefasst?
Hey, ich fahr selber ein Rise M10 und man könnte es so formulieren ja. In diesem Fall würde ich aber sagen ist der Motor einfach nur eine verdammt gute Grundlage mit der Orbea arbeitet und im laufe der Jahre ans Rad angepasst hat. Es spielt eben doch auch die Software Implementierung eine Rolle beim fahren, nicht nur die reinen Fakten. Viel mehr hat sich in letzter Zeit bei den Akkus getan und genau aus dem Grund hat Orbea sich vermutlich entschieden jetzt den Kunden die Möglichkeit selbst zu geben die volle Power des Motors zu nutzen. Nicht zuletzt da die Konkurrenz nach einiger Zeit jetzt eben auch nachgeholt hat. Mich selbst würde nur interessieren was die Firmen mit ihren eigenen Tunings auf den Motoren für Möglichkeiten der Fahreigenschaften in der Praxis haben. Ich bin mit der Leistung meines Bikes bis jetzt sehr zufrieden und vermisse keine Leistung sondern finde es sehr angenehm, dass es eben extrem Natürlich und sehr angenehm unterstützt und nicht nur 0 und 1 kennt wie so mancher Bosch. Grüße
Hi! The problem is batteries. 85Nm on under 400Wh does not work very well. Its to much to ask of the batteries. Rotwild had sold a 85Nm 375wh for years, but if you run that bike on full power on a low state of charge you will degrade the cells rapidly.(I sell Rotwild) But yes, your case is valid. It should be your own choice to run 85Nm.
Buy the "old" orbea rise. Get the cascade link to make the rear 150 mm with the same shock . Air shaft for the fork. Go 160mm Then remap the soft where to the normal ep8 software. Then you got a beast of a bike .
This is my exact plan for my heavily discounted Goblin M20 eP801. 540Wh. OTeam 32 wheels with DT350 hubs, Magura MT7 brakes, Sram 200 rotors, Fox36 Factory 160mm, DPX2 55mm 0.8 cu, SLX 12, OneUp 180 post, 165 eThirteen cranks, DHF/DHR. My flip-chip is in the 160 fork. All I want is approved firmware with 85Nm. peak. 🎉
Nice Video! Does the ep801 have only full torque or even full peak-watt-power in RS+ mode? Because the former rs ep8 had „only“ 60nm and ~350 watts peak power (at least in series 😉)
@@jc2478 You can’t be bothered looking at the $1K -$2K bikes in their product range? Middle aged professionals who have suffered through graduate school or the angst of starting their own businesses have the disposable income to invest in their passions and hobbies. That’s why they make Porsche 911 Turbos and McIntosh Amps and B&W Speakers and Malibu Ski Boats and RZR side-by-sides.
@@petersouthernboy6327 i have a $5000 dollar high tower. I dont need a financial education for you. The manufacturers are ripping people off. I make shit for a living. I'm fact i just happen to work extensively with motors. 11k for 2000k (or more likely less) in parts is highway robbery and a joke.
The bike is too expensive. Cannondale moterra SL is 2000$ (canadian) less with comparable specs/weight/battery. And the orbea have a slightly detuned motor (100w less than original ep801). Nice bike, but not great.
But you get an integrated multitool hidden in the rear suspension link! Kidding - I think the Moterra SL2 edges it, but that is a heavier alloy frame. The alloy Orbea version will be out soon which will be a fairer comparison.
When the Rise was first released, it had features that other manufacturers' bikes lacked at the time and is why I bought one. Now that the industry has caught up, I see no compelling reason to buy a Rise at this point. And why would you buy an "LT" version when you can just get the Wild?
The industry just got left behind again. no other brand has a 630wh battery in a sub 50lb bike. no one else is even close. even the 420wh is competitively light. the Wild barely has more battery and the same torque so if anything theres no longer a compelling reason to get the Wild.
@@dylananderson4314 let’s hope they revised the rear suspension linkages so they don’t flex all over and creak non-stop. Or having the rear swingarm crack or have a rear hub fail after 100 miles. I’ll take a bike that holds together over a big battery any day.
@@kenbest76 All that has been addressed so largely irrelevant. OTOH any new model can have issues that only long term use and abuse reveals. I'd be more worried about the motor reliability.
Pls staaap manufacturers with that 2025 BS, automakers also started doing this yrs ago it's to create a sense of fomo on the newest and greatest, it's not Orbea's fault but all the marketing aholes who think this is sustainable with educated customers, especially now that so many people abandoned the sport, it was fun during the pandemic but it's dangerous and kinda hard to keep motivated when you live in the city and weather isn't favorable, so yeah the educated customers who are still there are not eating up that kind of BS. It shows in sales and comments or reviews
The profiles are selectable so you do not need to run it at max TQ, they also increased battery efficiency by I think it was 8% for the same weight cells. I did about 3k in full power 1,800 of which was with camera gear on my back and was left at 38% charge remaining 👍
This has the world’s highest power density battery in a production emtb. Combine it with the range extender to get 840wh. There’s no way you’re going to run out.
Cost/weight benefit. Why would you need a removeable battery unless you live in Alaska or ride 12hrs every day? If the answer is yes to either than simply buy another brand!
Looks like cables thru the headset. That's a HARD NO for me. NO RIDER IS ASKING FOR PLASTIC HEADSETS. Straight seatpost yes. Leave the cables outside . It's not going in the tour de France.
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Just picked up my Rise LT this week and all I have to say WOW. It’s amazing.
Great to hear!
Orbea making an already great bike even better! Solid overview Loam Wolf!!
The RISE is a nice bike. I'm the owner of a custom ordered RISE and enjoy the bike. I would however recommend everyone stay away from Orbea as their customer service is unaccetable. The reason for me is straight forward, I custom ordered a RISE with all the Carbon options which resulted in a very expensive bike. When the bike finally arrived months later, they had substituted far less expensive parts in place of the carbon options i paid for. I thought, no big deal, they will make it right, if the carbon parts aren't available I can understand substituting them. They instead insisted that they can substitute any parts they want without any concern for the less value of the parts. Customer sevice (including the manager) stated and I quote "the sum of the bike parts have no impact on the value of the bike". Which is interesting since they sell many levels of the same bike with a wide cost range with the only difference being the sum of the parts installed. Given that philosophy as a company I can only recommend to avoid Orbea!
I would threaten them with a CC chargeback, that will likely change their tune in a hurry. You will have no issue with your CC company siding with you - you have the spec you paid for and you have what was delivered. Pretty clear cut.
Sounds like a lawsuit. I understand swapping out like for like on stock bikes, but doing it on a custom bike where paid extra for specific parts sounds like a scam.
@Lee-xs4dj i did consider that route. For now, I decided i would just share my experience so everyone can be better informed of what to expect from Orbea. It's such a bad business philosophy as it has cost them far more than if they would have just done what was right. The amount of people that come up to me at bike parks and ask how I like the bike is crazy. I share my experience, bike is awesome, company itself I cannot recommend them.
Thank you much
The flip chip is genius. The 16kg bike is insane. But otherwise, a 4-5k bike is what needs to happen. The prices are insane when folks are cross shopping convergence in electric motorcycles at lower prices.
Yeah mate, I could get a dirtbike for less than an e-bike with the same components as my bike minus the motor and battery. My bike is nice but not special.
Saw an e-bike the other day that cost a used WRX, 2 decent mtbs and change for a couple of weekends away. How many plumbers are buying these things?? (My dentist said he wished he earned as much as his one. Really.)
And you could buy a watch that costs the same as my house. So what. There are cheaper options for poor people. And plumbers aren't poor in my experience.
I appreciate that the marketing manager for Orbea can speak design, engineering and understands the value of the considered features. Well done Orbea!
Parker definitely isn’t just a marketing monkey, he is a shredder in the bike, smart and knows what matters when it comes to both design and spec.
I’d be interested if they sold a frame only option.
It would be easy to make a gearbox that fits ebikes, return to sanity 😂
Definitely one of the best looking and lighter e-mtb's. Would love to have one but the $10,000 +/- price is nuts. The bikes are evolving so fast my Levo SL is almost outdated.
You have the new Levo SL? I'm interested in the same bike. Why do you think it's already outdated?
IMHO, the Levo SL is awesome. It accomplished its mission perfectly. It is a small motor and battery. My Expert version weighs 42lbs with pedals. When I need the motor (or want it on:) it is there. Most of the time I cruise without the motor. I did not buy it to pretend I have a motorcycle. It is a bike first and an ebike second.
@@elgeffe503 even the new levo sl only offers 50nm max torque and a pretty small 320wh battery
I love mine. Use it more than my full fat 90nm Turbo Levo. I have 2 range extenders lol.
@@brookscurran this is main issue with it IMO still small battery
Ha, my old hometown trails, nice!
The Rise SL (+ older Rise), the Rise LT and the Wild are all perfect bikes for their respective applications. The LT looks like the best all-rounder option (and not a single compromise). Well done. I hope Orbea levels up their customer service to their design team's level.
Where was this shot?! It looks like an amazing trail system!
Love riding those tracks 🤘🏻
Was my first time through, definitely want to go back. Tre’s was sick!
The large frame looks like a good fit for you. How tall are you.
With the claimed weight of just under 41lbs, did you actually weight the bike? Or is that the claimed manufacturer weight? Thanks for taking time to reply.
Was that 40lb spec with the 630wh or 420wh battery installed?
ABSOLUTELY!
When are the orbea 2025 bikes in the store?
I just received my 2025 Rise H10 (top spec aluminum) and the thing weighs 51lbs with pedals! How does it weigh so much more than the carbon???
Spec has a lot more to do with weight differences, as the frames are usually only about 1-2 lbs apart. All the gram differences from the wheels, suspension spec and all other component differences add up. Most manufacturer's weight "highlights" are usually referencing a size medium in their most top-of-the-line build without pedals and smallest battery.
@@TheLoamWolf Actually Orbea aluminum bikes are really heavy, my 2022 wild was a tank! They won't say how much they weigh
DJI's AmFlow PL for the win 💯🤙🏼
WHERE is this filmed?? These knife ridge trails are rad! Oh, and the bike seems pretty cool too.
The POV is from Tre’s in Leavenworth Washington. There was some serious dual side exposure!
Da hat die Bikeindustrie sich mal wieder selbst übertroffen. Vor Jahren haben sie einen Motor verkauft (EP8). Dann haben sie den gleichen Motor gedrosselt und teurer verkauft (EP8 Rs).
Jetzt verkaufen sie wieder den alten Motor, aber dafür teurer, weil sie sagen: „Wir verkaufen euch den alten Motor, aber haben ihn für euch gedrosselt. Weil ihr den alten Motor in gedrosselter Form ja gar nicht haben wollt, könnt ihr den aber entdrosseln, damit ihr wieder den alten Motor fahren könnt (EP RS+). Da ihr jetzt aber quasi wieder den alten EP8 fahren könnt, nehmen wir einen ordentlichen Preisaufschlag.“
Habe ich das so richtig zusammengefasst?
Hey, ich fahr selber ein Rise M10 und man könnte es so formulieren ja. In diesem Fall würde ich aber sagen ist der Motor einfach nur eine verdammt gute Grundlage mit der Orbea arbeitet und im laufe der Jahre ans Rad angepasst hat. Es spielt eben doch auch die Software Implementierung eine Rolle beim fahren, nicht nur die reinen Fakten. Viel mehr hat sich in letzter Zeit bei den Akkus getan und genau aus dem Grund hat Orbea sich vermutlich entschieden jetzt den Kunden die Möglichkeit selbst zu geben die volle Power des Motors zu nutzen. Nicht zuletzt da die Konkurrenz nach einiger Zeit jetzt eben auch nachgeholt hat. Mich selbst würde nur interessieren was die Firmen mit ihren eigenen Tunings auf den Motoren für Möglichkeiten der Fahreigenschaften in der Praxis haben. Ich bin mit der Leistung meines Bikes bis jetzt sehr zufrieden und vermisse keine Leistung sondern finde es sehr angenehm, dass es eben extrem Natürlich und sehr angenehm unterstützt und nicht nur 0 und 1 kennt wie so mancher Bosch.
Grüße
Warum postest du den Beitrag eigentlich unter nahezu jedes Video über das neue Orbea? Arbeitest du bei Bosch oder Yamaha?
Hi! The problem is batteries. 85Nm on under 400Wh does not work very well. Its to much to ask of the batteries. Rotwild had sold a 85Nm 375wh for years, but if you run that bike on full power on a low state of charge you will degrade the cells rapidly.(I sell Rotwild)
But yes, your case is valid. It should be your own choice to run 85Nm.
So the new Orbea Rise it is ready to sell in the US market??
Another video said max power was 500w and 85nm...you mentioned 600/85. Can you confirm we get full 600w of power?
I heared that it is really 500...
500w check out robridesemtb
Es sind 500W" - dass sagen alle anderen Quellen
EP801 has 600W peak power
@@ortegapcs Usualy, but not in the Softwaretuning of RS Gen3
Cables through the headset?
THAT'S A HARD NO 😂
👏👏👏👏👏
why? any bad experience?
@@sylvianbraibant7381 replacing headset bearings, means bleeding brakes. Which is just stupid.
@@sylvianbraibant7381 never heard anyone in any shop have anything good to say about them. It's an unneeded headache . it's not road bikes .
Buy the "old" orbea rise. Get the cascade link to make the rear 150 mm with the same shock . Air shaft for the fork. Go 160mm
Then remap the soft where to the normal ep8 software.
Then you got a beast of a bike .
This is my exact plan for my heavily discounted Goblin M20 eP801. 540Wh.
OTeam 32 wheels with DT350 hubs, Magura MT7 brakes, Sram 200 rotors, Fox36 Factory 160mm, DPX2 55mm 0.8 cu, SLX 12, OneUp 180 post, 165 eThirteen cranks, DHF/DHR.
My flip-chip is in the 160 fork.
All I want is approved firmware with 85Nm. peak. 🎉
That 66° head tube angle and flexy frame says otherwise. Simply adding travel doesn't make it a beast
Nice Video! Does the ep801 have only full torque or even full peak-watt-power in RS+ mode? Because the former rs ep8 had „only“ 60nm and ~350 watts peak power (at least in series 😉)
This one has a peak tq of 85nm at 600 watts of peak power 👍
@@fullpullmtb I heard the RS tune only goes to 500 watts
You can unlock the RS to give 85Nm as it's only the software that restricts it.
@@guyvishnuThe ep801 has 600 max watts in my 2024 Rise. The earlier ep8 had 500 max.
Accurate info is not easily found and confusion remains.
Have they addressed the shock yoke failures?
That is what the brace is for I'm assuming.
Which color is this?
Where's that trail?
Headset cable routing, no thanks
why? any bad experience?
@@sylvianbraibant7381 makes general maintenance a lot harder for the home mechanic
Is it possible to convert this bike in a mullet ?
orbea doesnt say so but bump up the fork to 170 and flip the chip and it'll be dialed might have to get shorter cranks tho
@@dylananderson4314 👍 that could be the perfect bike !! But let‘s see when the more affordable versions getting released….
Where was this shot?
Looks like Colorado
This was in Leavenworth Washington 👍
Ola! how much are you paid for this videopub?
These prices are ridiculous. You can buy whole cars. Lower the price and sell more bikes.
Every OEM has a bike in the $2K - $3K price range.
@@petersouthernboy6327 that's really irrelevant
@@jc2478 You can’t be bothered looking at the $1K -$2K bikes in their product range? Middle aged professionals who have suffered through graduate school or the angst of starting their own businesses have the disposable income to invest in their passions and hobbies. That’s why they make Porsche 911 Turbos and McIntosh Amps and B&W Speakers and Malibu Ski Boats and RZR side-by-sides.
@@petersouthernboy6327 i have a $5000 dollar high tower. I dont need a financial education for you. The manufacturers are ripping people off. I make shit for a living. I'm fact i just happen to work extensively with motors. 11k for 2000k (or more likely less) in parts is highway robbery and a joke.
@@jc2478 well if you work with motors, you know all about parts manufacturing costs and insane markups.
hi, can you remove the battery now?
Only if you drop the motor first.
@@tim8061 still same as before …
Still waiting for a sub 50 lbs emtb with removable battery
@@chuckduckthe Trek Fuel EXE has a removable battery. It's in the 19-23kg range depending on frame material and components.
@@chuckducktransition relay but that fazua motor is unreliable trash
No water bottle cages?
That strut across the frame is only on one side leaving room for a bottle cage. Other reviews show it with a bottle cage.
I run a Evoc pack so rarely has a cage installed. There is bolts for it though
I found orbea rise for 27000 kr and I actually find it cheap
The bike is too expensive. Cannondale moterra SL is 2000$ (canadian) less with comparable specs/weight/battery. And the orbea have a slightly detuned motor (100w less than original ep801). Nice bike, but not great.
But you get an integrated multitool hidden in the rear suspension link! Kidding - I think the Moterra SL2 edges it, but that is a heavier alloy frame. The alloy Orbea version will be out soon which will be a fairer comparison.
@@tim8061Mottera SL2 is a carbon frame bro
Where???? It’s £6500 here for that bike
What about the weight????
19,1 kg
When the Rise was first released, it had features that other manufacturers' bikes lacked at the time and is why I bought one. Now that the industry has caught up, I see no compelling reason to buy a Rise at this point. And why would you buy an "LT" version when you can just get the Wild?
because it is 3kg lighter in the full fat configuration
The industry just got left behind again. no other brand has a 630wh battery in a sub 50lb bike. no one else is even close. even the 420wh is competitively light. the Wild barely has more battery and the same torque so if anything theres no longer a compelling reason to get the Wild.
@@dylananderson4314 let’s hope they revised the rear suspension linkages so they don’t flex all over and creak non-stop. Or having the rear swingarm crack or have a rear hub fail after 100 miles. I’ll take a bike that holds together over a big battery any day.
@@kenbest76 All that has been addressed so largely irrelevant. OTOH any new model can have issues that only long term use and abuse reveals. I'd be more worried about the motor reliability.
@@tim8061 Customers shouldn't be the ones doing the QA testing.
well....first Orbea Rise had from the get go outdated (mamil?) geometry.... :/
Pls staaap manufacturers with that 2025 BS, automakers also started doing this yrs ago it's to create a sense of fomo on the newest and greatest, it's not Orbea's fault but all the marketing aholes who think this is sustainable with educated customers, especially now that so many people abandoned the sport, it was fun during the pandemic but it's dangerous and kinda hard to keep motivated when you live in the city and weather isn't favorable, so yeah the educated customers who are still there are not eating up that kind of BS. It shows in sales and comments or reviews
Wow
Pretty sure the new Orbea rise is lighter
Why do all the manufacturers agree to make electric bicycles with non-removable batteries??? with a full-power engine it will be a sad range (((
The profiles are selectable so you do not need to run it at max TQ, they also increased battery efficiency by I think it was 8% for the same weight cells. I did about 3k in full power 1,800 of which was with camera gear on my back and was left at 38% charge remaining 👍
This has the world’s highest power density battery in a production emtb. Combine it with the range extender to get 840wh. There’s no way you’re going to run out.
Cost/weight benefit. Why would you need a removeable battery unless you live in Alaska or ride 12hrs every day? If the answer is yes to either than simply buy another brand!
Looks like cables thru the headset. That's a HARD NO for me. NO RIDER IS ASKING FOR PLASTIC HEADSETS.
Straight seatpost yes.
Leave the cables outside . It's not going in the tour de France.
Shimano motors are just too loud and noisy.
‘Interviews’ with marketing guys- is there more boring content?
That assymetrical bar is a crime! Yuck!
fr shoulda put it on the left side idk what they were thinking
@@dylananderson4314 😂
If you can see that when riding then sell your bike and take up crochet.
@@tim8061 good idea!
And again no weight in KG's like the channel promised to do several times. I guess this channel is purely focust on US viewers.
Fair point, I have never done KG in any of my reviews. I am filming another video today and will add KG’s ;).
Isn’t this a function on almost all phones now? Or on the website? Lazier than an ebiker.
I prefer our weights measured in eagles and cheese burgers… 🦅 🍔
If only there was some way to convert lb to kg, oh wait, it’s like a 2 second calculation…
Bruh, really? Google it! 😂 41 pounds = 18.5973 kilograms 🤦♂️