The world’s fake Van Goghs and Basquiats come from this village
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Dafen is a small suburb in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen. In its heyday, it produced 60% of the world’s oil paintings, churning out copies of the Mona Lisa and The Starry Night you see in hotel lobbies and restaurants.
But after decades of making another person’s work, Dafen’s painters are now trying to pave their own way as artists in their own rights. Here’s a peek into the town also known as China’s art copy capital.
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0:00 - Where your hotel’s Van Goghs are from
0:56 - Like an assembly line
1:50 - Dafen’s history
3:10 - Making original work
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Producer: Xin Fang
Videographer: Canrong Zhang and Xin Fang
Script: Lyn Yang
Editor: Erin Lo and César del Giudice
Narration: Qian Dai
Mastering: Victor Peña
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Not sure if I agree with the word 'fake' in your title, since these are clearly sold as replicas instead of trying to pass as originals to defraud buyers.
Is replica and fake are the same?
@@cpvlogger3480 Replica comes across as less harsh and demeaning. Words hold power. Also, I believe a proper synonym for a replica would be the word 'copy'. Many buyers have been duped by fakes and lost thousands, even millions.
@@cpvlogger3480 replica and fake are NOT the same.
@@iamjose2 The works they are copying are classical works in the public domain. There's no permission to be gotten. Doing master copies of artworks is a longstanding artistic tradition. Here's a quote from an online Sotheby's article about it: "The list of famous artists whose documented admiration of, and copies after the Old Masters is endless; Landseer after Rubens; John Singer Sargent after Velasquez; Henri Fantin Latour after Titian and Veronese, Géricault after Caravaggio and earlier; Watteau after Titian, Van Dyck after Tintoretto, Matsys after Raphael, to name but a few. "
@@iamjose2 Isn't replicas and original just the same? Just the difference in time they were created. And Fakes are of lower quality.
I think about the relationship between art and painting consistently and it’s cool to catch a glimpse of another person’s thoughts from across the globe and feel like they have a similar vibe.
I watched and I realized why the Chinese are so successful. Just feel proud to be a Chinese anywhere in this world. Survival is in our blood
It's interesting, cause our modern super expensive art schools in America teach us by having us copy old great masters' art, which is based on the European style of apprenticeship. So they essentially have the same training as artist that pay 50k for art education and are expected to sell their works for thousands. But cause this is in China these artist can only sell there work for a few dollars, yet the amount of work and experience that goes into each piece doesn't change because of geography.
great perspective! art is hard work, period.
It's unbelievably unfair, sigh
As an art school graduate, that's assuming you did fine painting and is successful. Most art school students I know did practical design modelled off the Bauhaus school and work for wages. Also a lot of students end up doing minor commission pieces for less than 1K most their lives. It's true there's less opportunities in China but there are Chinese artists in the Fine Arts world going to Art Basel and stuff making millions off a piece. Also I come from Canada, but honestly I find some Chinese institutions are closer to American levels of prestige, wealth, and popularity than other western countries (*cough* Canada *cough*)
Oh my God! I am trying to recall the name of this place so I can put this on spot on my Top 20 places to visit in China. Oh, i love this amazing place!
Dafen... southern part of China....
Max Linder Yes, I got it from the video. But Thanks. Now, I’m sure about the spelling. I’m editing a video about China. This town is super impression and its in Shenzhen, so even more impressive.
Dafen
What the hell. These artists are sooooo incredibly talented, they should definitely raise their prices!!! How underpaid and undersold they are is so criminal 😭😭😭
Welcome to the art world when a talented one get paid less then a stupid one like banana tape on the wall..
@@AbbiAbii sadly today's contemporary art world do not count skills as an art only new concept creative and ideas are taken as an art... Like Damien hirst...
@@AbbiAbii now a days people buys idea, same goes for "banana duct tape" it was to mock today's contemporary art world like🍌 banana(symbolize diff meaning).
@@lilibililili2320 i dont hate the art... but people who aprove to place it on museum... many talented people get ignored...
THEY ARRRR NOT ARTISTS. THEY HAVE NO CREATIVE BONES IN THEIR BODY. THEY ARE COPY CATS AND CATS ARE SATAN
I find it very sad that such skilled artists receive so little compensation for their work, I wish society appreciated art and creativity more, it is the fundamental difference between humans and the rest of life on Earth and I think the better part of our nature.
Skilled but didnt make original art whats the point in that ? Def cant value a copier much than artist who makes their own arts.
@@koplak9809 they make there own art dude. bt they cant live from it. they said it at the end of the video
@@koplak9809 most artists at some point in their career make copys of the old master paintings
@@nickblack8350 they dont sell counterfeit are they ?
@@koplak9809 van gogh was known to do exact copies of millet, does that mean his work has no value?
$15! Can't even get 1 dozen tubes of oil paint!!!
I will definately buy them and put it in my house!!
actually he should have a TikTok account show how to paint copies and how to create original, he'll he like the Bob Ross of China
good point... he has a great voice too like Bob Ross.
尊敬文化人藝術~謝謝制作~♡♡♡♡♡
Come on Godthread. Fix the misleading title please. They are clearly making replicas, not fake Van Gogh.
Fake, replicas, reproductions, fakes - it's still in violation of most western countries' Copyright and other laws, especially for artists who passed in the last 70-75 years. The narrator did use the phrase "near perfect replicas". Just sayin...
It is always said that imitation is the best form of flattery, and that they are doing this for so long makes them experienced painters
Super fascinating - had not heard about these reproductions before.
i saw a teenage girl painting 6 replicas of a European painting SIMULTANEOUSLY!
I Will visit DaFen village, not very far away from where I live, 3 hours by high speed train... now get a good reason to visit shenzhen again
I expected the smallest sized canvas to cost at.eadt 200-300 or more depending on the style
Amazing and haunting. The art world truly.
im from here, this is so nostalgic
Practice makes perfect! Wish their original works sold better
Башмаков Фирдэвес Фэритович , работы на ТЯПЬ - ЛЯПЬ ... краски и материалы ЖАЛКО... Я - лучьше напишу...
That's crazy, oil paintings are quite expensive, 15$ could easily be what a small painting costs to make in material cost.
Magnifico...👏👏👏👏
At least these are honest knock offs, unlike The Salvator Mundi!
I also replicate master's painting, but as a form of practice, you can learn so much following the big shots foot steps!
Yes it is an amazing place!
I hope to buy one of their original works
That's how the masters taught their disciples back then, and artist still do study painting of the master's work. These guys just did it for longer. I'm a beginner painter and this is giving me ideas on how to improve my skills.
Yes, and that's still a teaching method in art schools today. The difference is the student artists are "copying" to learn not as a job selling them.
WOW, reminds me of the Doc Who episode when the artist gets to see his paintings be truly loved.
Great artist
Why use the words "copies" or "fakes"? These are clearly marketed as replicas. If this city was not in China I'm sure the works done wont be labelled as "fakes" like you've done here
1,200 galleries??? sounds like my dream destination! they are all so incredibly talented, too. hope they get to paint what they like and gain recognition for it as well.
amazing, would be fun to do this for a living
The people selling these paintings online make more money than the painters. I was asked to sell some online. I decided to just learn how to paint and just be a poor artist.
this place just near my home！
Malujcie swoim stylem ,swoja tematyke...
Probably something every artist mulls over; do art for art's sake or get fed even if it means originality beautifully dying multiple times...for a while at least.
I would definitely buy their art 🎨💕but I don't have money for that yet, I'm still a student.
I need to visit this place and buy a copy of mona lisa and other paintings
Nice!!!
They need an online store so we can buy!
If I had a chance Ill buy from them but not replicas but a piece of their own.
They look real to me, just painting style resembles famous painter but not fake. They are replicas maybe but not fake. Dumb for saying these are fake. These are art works
🎨🖌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
What is the phone number of the artist’s shop ?
Nope. These are not fake. They are absolutely real, and can be affordable and enjoyed by everyone. By the way, these are artists.
whaaa thats so cool i didnt even know this existed lol
I want one. Copies are fine with me.
Where I can order it
Skill is nice, but it is creativity and originality that counts!
Chinese people are so skilled. They can do everything. I wish that the world appreciated their contribution.
Fake is an inappropriate word
I saw an American woman off Instagram selling her "mop art" ( yes painting with a mop!) which is like drawing circles using a mop on canvas randomly ... After seeing these real artists slaving for a few dollars in contrast to her getting such sh!tty work sold for thousands makes me furious!! 😠
moving to dafen real soon
The world’s ''fake'' Van Goghs and Basquiat come from this village. ''Replicas'' is the right word. A fake by a forger is when the size is the same as the original and imitates the artist's signature with the intention to mislead prospective buyers for a large sum of money. Before the advent of the color printing press, Europeans buy painted replicas of Rubens, Rembrandt and what have you. Today one can obtain permission to imitate artworks in Western art museums provided the format is not the same as the original.
This makes me a little sad. I wish I could meet one of these artists, learn more about who they are and purchase an original piece from them.
Email them or contact them on their IG. They're names are in the video.
Most famous painters start with copying early in their careers, this includes the famous 齊白石。
It's a replica, not a fake, don't discredit their skills plz.
When is the "art world" going to realize that Basguiat's work is pure and simple crap since the rest of the world already knows it?
Time and again you see artists and creative people getting paid nothing while hedgefund managers who contribute nothing to our lives, earn millions. I admire this guy. If you don't give up one day you'll get the reward for your work and people will be copying your work..
... what's chinese can not do !!.. 😂😍
replicas, not fakes*
not FAKE ,
Soooo much sketch here
If Van Gogh learned that our world had looked at his paintings, described them in rich details, even referenced them in one of pop cultures, and that his name with face with.....voice can be heard everywhere (inside book, films, comic, etc.). If he learned that people like to make full productions of some of his paintings, what will he feel? Will he be surprised, cried with joy?
You know whats ironic. Van goghs great grand nephew, theo van gogh, named after his great grandfather, did become famous. He was a film director, but was mostly well known as a vocal critic and almost authoritative figure on the issue of islamic integration in netherlands and free speech.
In the end he got killed by an islamic extremist.
Life is strange like that
For hundreds or thousands of years ago, Chinese learned to paint by copying the masters, then develop their own style. The tradition lives on today but copying European artists instead. If you can't afford the real Van Goghs, the Chinese version is the next best thing
O China, you are a magnificent place.
the music is annoying
A nightmare !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C'est marrant. Van Gogh voulait faire aussi bien que les peintres japonais. Du coup, ce chinois qui peint à la manière de Van Gogh avec son propre style asiatique pourrait bien lui rendre un bel hommage.
the subject are interesting but we haven't seen any painting the cameraman didn't make any pic on the works painting pity.
This kind of work would suck the life, and any kind of inspiration I would have.
sad
Fake? Replica is the proper word. Know or not?
What people in the comment`s need to understand is that the market don`t pay a premium for " hard work". It pays a premium for " value" and prestige. This is why Jean Michele Basquiat made it in the art market while others did not. He created a uniqe style. A style that was in alot of ways alot like other neo expresionists. But he also created " brand" by beeing brilliant at marketing and sales. It`s not just about creating art, but also about other skills like marketing and storytelling. That is playing on the arch type of the " Struggling artist" and having his own style ( the mix of hip hop and the business suite of the 80s).
The art market actually don`t care where you went to school, it do help. But it is not a " great story". Comming from the ghetto in china, could be a part of a story like that ( the market do love underdogs). But there also needs to be a part that makes it stand out. That is if the artist had dyed his hair pink, or some other style. People would notice him more. It seems more like " artisan" work than real " Bohemian" or artist in the romantic tradition of the types of Oscar Wilde, Lord Byron, Picasso and so on. That is what the audience want`s to see. They want to have a story to talk about, when they brag to their friends about buying the artwork.
In a lot of way`s a modern artist don`t even need to be 100% new. That is the art can be a form of " Remix" of other styles... But it need`s to stand out in a way.
“Basquiats, she learning a new word it’s yacht!” Don’t lie, Kanye taught us normies about his paintings!
Should be arrested for signing the paintings as originals.
I remember times in US when one could buy some of those replicas for $30-40. It was an absolute garbage, not worth the wall space even in student dorms. It is gone now.
Originality, not painting, is what is valuable to humanity.
Listened to classical music lately? Ate a delicious plate of food invented 50 years ago? Technique mástery is also impressive, and is certainly more interesante than crap that happens to be original but lacks Technixal skill.
@@00Julian00 Absolute nonsense. There are THOUSANDS of modern "classical" composers whose music is just as remarkable as those from the so-called classical eras. However, if you wish to lock yourself in a time closet.... no prob. Prokofiev called people who do so "empty coffins"
@@sebastianmelmoth685 i think many would agree with the notion that humanity benefits from ( and is allowed to be impressed by) technical mástery as well. .
Clearly we kno to whom the biggest prize goes in a competición between two technically component people, one of whom happens to be the more original one...Of couse
But surely those who lack that spark of originality shouldnt have be subjugated to the smart ass remarks of some douchey TH-cam commentator...no?
Thank you for the comment about modern composers...i stand corrected.
To use food, should i not value that pitmasters excellent barbeque because its a technique that probably traces back hundreds of years? Should i complain about the lack of originality? Must i be compelled to enjoy and cherish more deeply the veal loin with fermented blueberry and liquid nitrogen capsaicin cheese curds?
@@00Julian00 Even food thrives on the principle of originality and creativity. The great food classics we have today were once original - and can be appreciated as such. However, the chef who continues to proffer up barbecue sauce and spare ribs, will certainly delight a certain sector of the restaurant-going population, but his lack of creativity and originality will hardly mark him down as a great discoverer or gastronomic genius. Nothing wrong with munching down on a burger - just don't call it haute cuisine. Same goes for art. Technical skill is important, of course - but it is only one fifth of what is needed. It is the difference between an acrobat and a prima ballerina. The acrobat will make you say "Gosh - that was impressive." The prima ballerina, however, may induce in the viewer a lasting cathartic experience of life-changing depth. Mere technical skill is nothing without creativity. I can teach a student to draw realistically in six months (6 weeks if he or she has natural talent). But once they have that skill, if they spend the rest of their lives drawing photo-realistic pictures of gormless, angsty teenagers, I would consider my lessons a failure. If you get stuck in the "technical skill only" trap, you are in danger of entering that giant hamster wheel of sterility, and all progress, innovation, creativity, and intellectual and philosophical progress, halts. Certainly, if you just tell people "Just be creative!" you will just have poo smeared on the wall. There must be balance.
@@sebastianmelmoth685
i 80%agree with everything you wrote here. Thanks for sharing your post.
I still dont agree with the Extremeness of the first comment ( for instance ,unless one more informed about figure skating tells me the contrary, it seems we are still justifiably appreciating and giving value to something( that is, its not without mérito as ur first comment implies) that hasnt seen significant changes in a couple of décadas, simply because the technical skill required is unrreachble except to a very few with sufficient dedicación..and its beautiful to see wat we humans can push ourselve to do)but alas... i wont press any further.
On another note..
In regards to food, i sincerely hope that we can agree that the pursuit of originality and creativity in food should have as its principal focus deliciousness ( to a large extent cultural, though not completely) and health. That is, the chefs who have succeded in creatively pursuing new forms of say, even an old "format"( ie ramen, Chacuterie, a tikka masala) with the final aim of a more delicious product should have infinetely more respect and value than the enormous quantity of chefs these days ( who happen to run fancy establishments)who seek what seems to be an aimless originality that has overlookedTASTE (and health.)
If we can agree that the food worlds creative endeavours are truly only valuable wen the final product has deliciousness on its mind ( although there is something to be said about the very real nostalgia felt upon eating certain old dishes, if a more intelectual emocion is what we want to focus on) what for you should be the main objective of ones creativity and originality in painting? To bring forth a certainemocional response? Awe at the technical mastery of a certain technique?? .......
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Why do they accept to be exploited being so talented????? Walk your own way!!!
Dafen... the southern part of China...
It's not an accident that in a clip over 4 minutes long, very little work is shown. And what can be glimpsed, here and there, is of an UNSPEAKABLE VULGARITY...
Huh??? You talk as though they’re slaughtering humans in a genocide, for goodness sakes, man, get hold of yourself! Chump.
They are not fake, they are replicas of other artworks. Please correct the misleading title, its disrespectful to those underpaid hardworking artists.
Thats rhe world should do. Not only the richs who can afford to enjoy the monet ovat von gogh
Why should the comedian imitators can make alot of money, but not art replicators.
Copied
This is the equivalent of screenshotting NFTs
Terminally online person finds out the concept of paintings and reproductions
"near-perfect copy of Mona Lisa " 😄😄😄😃🤣 GTF away from here !!!!!!!😀😀😂
Do You know how Mona Lisa was painted ? Layer over layer, fresh paint over allready dried paint.....many -many layers !!!!
At least you know what is the suport Mona Lisa was painted over .......????.
His fake new Van Goghs look like crap.
These people are not artists
Well that depends on your definition. Clearly they have the technical skill. I cant do what they do. Most cant. Imagine if they grew up with wealth, privilege, and access to those in positions of cultural power
. I get your greater point about originality, but to be creative can at times be a luxury that not all can afford to pursue.
" Maybe, i just have to sell cheap hamburgers and make a buck, instead of more creative food..."
Basically, dont be a fucker.
Modern day slavery
Its funny how much I hate Van Gogh and love Basquiat, although both are tragic tales
Realy? This is what I feel something bad about chinesse crowd. Copying and misunderstanding everything
Did you even watch the whole video? They started painting and selling their own original works as well.
Horrible !
Plagiarism 🤦🏻♂️
Plagiarism is if you claimed it as your own. This is merely replicating
Stupidity 🤦 someone's never heard of the word replica.
@@ot7stan207 question, who gains money from it?
The buyers are mostly westerners
Ever heard of Public Domain?
No one wants to hear these guys stories of being rip off artists and frauds because they’re poor villagers.
I do, I think reproduction is an incredibly valuable skill. Also they arent claiming that they're originals from the artists
I do. Who are you?
They are not fakes they are copies