Way-Too-Early Saints 53-Man Roster Projection: How many QBs do you keep? | Inside Black & Gold
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- We're less than a week removed from the 2024 NFL Draft, and yes, it's way too early to know who might make the cut for the final 53-man roster in September. That still won’t stop us from trying in the latest edition of the Audacy original Inside Black & Gold podcast. Saints sideline reporter Jeff Nowak and WWL sports director Steve Geller break down each position on offense and defense and how things might shake out. We also dive in on a trio of veteran players signed, and why we might want to pump the brakes a bit on the Spencer Rattler hype train.
0:00 - Segment 1: Spencer Rattler an Exciting Pick for Saints, but Let’s Pump the Brakes
... The New Orleans Saints added a trio of veteran players this week after a 7-man draft class. Jeff Nowak and Steve Geller break that down to kick off today’s episode, then we hear from Spencer Rattler and dive into why it’s probably a good idea to pump the brakes on the hype train, because you’re not doing him any favors.
21:40 - Segment 2: Saints 2024 Roster Projection: Offense … How Many QBs to Keep?
... The New Orleans Saints have some interesting questions to answer on the offensive side of the ball, and we go through a lot of them in the first half of this roster projection. How many QBs should you keep? Will Jamaal Williams make the cut? How does OL shake out with Ryan Ramczyk’s injury? We get into all that and more.
45:01 - Segment 3: Saints 2024 Roster Projection: Defense … Gotta Stay Healthy
... One thing is clear about this New Orleans Saints defense: If it can stay healthy there’s a boatload of talent. Unfortunately that’s a very big if, particularly when it comes to the defensive line. We dive into that, how the kickoff could impact the makeup of special teams, the possible vision for a talented, 4-man CB room and a lot more.
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There’s one MAJOR problem with your 53 man Roster projection, it’s unrealistic.
You can’t say it’s “easy” & you “didn’t have to cut anyone you didn’t want to”, when you are conveniently ignoring numbers needed for depth at certain positions.
Look back through Kyle Shanahan’s or his protégé’s initial 53 man Rosters.
You MUST have 1 dedicated FB.
You MUST have 4-5 RB’s.
You MUST have at least 3 REAL TE’s. Taysom Hill will be extra, because Kyle assigns ridiculous pass protection assignments to his TE’s, like blocking the Best Edge player on specific plays, Kubiak probably does also.
You need 8-9 players for RB/FB/TE, plus Taysom Hill.
You currently have 6 players including Taysom Hill.
Fill those positions to the numbers Kubiak is going to require and see who you will have to cut, & if there’s still no difficult choices?
Look at the Niners initial 53 from last season, as deep as their roster was, Shanahan still carried 4 RB’s & a FB. 2 RB’s that no one’s never heard of, Kubiak will NEED more than Kamara & Miller on his roster, the run game is that important to them.
Plus Horvath, because they have to have a dedicated FB, not Taysom Hill either.
It's the initial roster projection. It's going to be what it's going to be. That said, I'm fairly positive there'll only be 4 to 5 names maximum that change by the end of this process, and all those were explained explained as caveats in the breakdown. Feel free to come back and check that. Stuff like a Marshon trade or a retirement would drive that number up, but this is going off the information we have *right now*, not guessing about what might happen.
Also, the running back situation is a product of the 49ers overdrafting running backs every year, so you keep those guys on the roster. Saints aren't keeping four RBs on the 53.
@@WWLsports Agree. Unless something drastic happens.
With the Shanahan - Kubiak System they usually keep 3 RB’s and 1 FB active on Game Day . We will keep Willams and with this scheme he’ll have a bounce back Season ! The key is getting the O Line to step up . Last Season we couldn’t Run the Ball on Offense ! Defensively we couldn’t stop the run or running QB’s ! This must change or it’s another disappointing Year !
My fav Saints podcast guys. Thanks Jeff and Steve for the hard work you guys do and put into your broadcasts
Agree.
Appreciate that, y’all
I like your word “silly” describing the thought of Rattler starting soon. I have been using the word silly for a while now. It’s less harsh than stupid and it fits better for many venues.
I don’t think being excited about a guy is stupid and I’d never say that. Just think a lot of folks are setting unreasonable expectations for the guy.
@@WWLsports Right. That why silly is a good word. 😉
You guys are way to into Spencer Rattler. A guy that has struggled to be productive in college. 5th rounder guys
This pod is literally telling people they should pump the brakes on Spencer
#1 Podcast. Great show as always guys! Can’t wait till next one! WHO DAT!? ⚜️⚜️⚜️
Thanks!
Rattler vs Carr - Wilson vs Flynn in Seattle ! It’s possible especially with this new Offensive Staff . This Staff picked Purdy over Lance even though they gave up numerous High Draft Picks for Lance ! Rattler has a great Arm ! I hope he can put it together for Us !
Well, let’s be clear … THIS staff didn’t do that and no staff actually did that. Purdy took over midway through the 2022 season. Trey Lance was the starter, meaning that was their pick. Lance got hurt and they went to Jimmy G. Jimmy G got hurt and they went to Purdy. Klint was in Denver at that point. He joined Kyle Shanahan’s staff in 2023, at which point they kept Purdy and traded Lance. Playing this as if that somehow all links back to him is a bit of a stretch. On top of that, even if you go by the Purdy example he was third string his rookie year.
How much more fun. Can this year be than ..last year.. football 🏈 wiSe
As much fun as you allow it to be
I think Penning gonna make a comeback and be a good left tackle.
Do you understand the word "comeback"? It alludes to having been something at one time and returning to that form.
He plays a lot of golf, a lot of golfers even pros make the mistake generating power from their arms, Tiger Woods and Arnold Palmer and Michelle Wie arms got messed up as they got older.
Where's Nephi Sewell at LB? I think you missed him because he's on some other list for the injured.
At the bottom listed as PUP. Forgot to mention him in the pod, but he’s in the writeuo.
Jeff, we paid Dallin Holker quite a bit for a UDFA, which means DA and Klint are quite confident he'll make the squad and contribute this season. The guy has flaws in his game, but he's a pass-catching stud. Dunno how he went undrafted
Folks say the same thing every year, but there’s really no correlation between signing bonuses and actually making the roster. It’s moreso just an indicator that the guy has a good agent and/or there was some competition in getting the deal done. They gave Abram Smith $222K guaranteed. Didn’t even make the practice squad. Of course he’s got a chance to make the roster, but the contract really doesn’t mean that much.
saints have a track record of finding undrafted gems
Ruiz is was drafted out of place. Now you’re paying him 9 million for guard play that is underwhelming. He is better at center where he can assist the other lineman. He isn’t strong enough to handle the bulls or any elite dtackles that usually give him trouble
I have spent a lot of time watching Carr, Haener, and Rattler these last 5 years and Carr is a helluva lot better than Haener and Rattler, so neither of the backups are going to see the field for quite some time as long as Carr is healthy, and NEITHER of them are starter quality.
@@MosheGoldbergTheKingy’all really don’t like rattler ? He would have a chance to be the starter in two years
@@eddiejackson7281I think rattler going to succeed and become our new franchise QB.I think this guy got a chip on his shoulder and going to prove a lot of people wrong
Lmao if you think Carr is a hell of a lot better tell’s everything I need to know about you lmao 😂
@@dlove-vp1od He is. Let's take stock of what the man accomplished last year. He went to a new franchise after nearly a decade with the same team, took the field with one of the absolute worst offensive coordinators in football (objectively, statistically proven not my opinion) and suffered through an AC sprain in his throwing shoulder which is the same injury that ended Anthony Richardson's season. He missed zero games despite being behind a bottom five offensive line that let him get crushed repeatedly. He took the number 20 scoring offense to the number 9 scoring offense despite all those problems. There's no argument that he isn't a great QB.
@@nickmessner700 all these excuses and then you say he’s great lol how many playoffs has he been too?
looking over the offensive side I feel they need more than 3 RBs and 3 TEs. also i wouldn't count Jermanine Jackson out at kick returner just yet.
It’s possible. I agree you probably need more than five, and I’d say Jamaal probably makes it. You might be able to sell me on a 4th TE, but remember … we’re talking about the active roster. This team likes to use practice squad elevations, and I think that extra guy will end up there.
For Jackson, I wouldn’t say I’m counting anybody out right now. I think he’s most likely a practice squad guy, tho. This projection isn’t about taking any major leaps … it’s more just to set a baseline of where things stand prior to camp so I can make adjustments as we go. Veterans and draft picks are always going to get higher priority at this stage.
3rd day picks are lagniappe players if they play! Isiah Stalbird is a small LB that could may be Safety. My bets is on Hayball.
100% … you need to hit consistently in the top three rounds, and if you find someone that can contribute on Day 3, it’s always a bonus. Some teams are better at it than others.
For a team that is more than likely going to win 7 games, why keep three QBs when Taysom Hill is on the team? If the Saints keep three, that tells you all you need to know about Dennis Allen and his last season as HC of this team.
It would tell you that they like the rookie quarterback they drafted, but feel he needs time to develop and don’t think they can sneak him to the practice squad.
They will keep Williams. Can’t go with 3 rbs
I agree and I feel like the Saints were fortunate and got great value with the first three picks.
Fuaga was a no-brainer selection. Pretty much the consensus best prospect available when they picked at a position of need. I think the Saints made the right call not trading up.
McKinstry fell and I think he already joins an extremely talented defensive backfield. Good mix of young talent and experienced veterans, and I think it’s a good fit for the scheme and roster.
I like the Rattler pick and what it could mean for the future, and I’m interested to see how Rattler develops behind Carr with Kubiak.
The rest of the picks I think are solid and at good positions to compete for roster spots.
Agree with all your takes. Appreciate you watching and commenting!
Where does Taysom as QB fit into this?
It’s a really good question. I think he’ll fit in with his normal role, but it’s tough to really say how Klint will look at it until we see it happen.
@@WWLsports Remember that trick play we saw from the 9ers in the superbowl? I think Hill would be great in that (since he can play QB and TE etc) and would love to see us pull off something like that at least once. But if we still use him in the qb position I'd like to see us use more mixups instead of having him run or hand it off almost every time.
@@1001011011010 I’d like to imagine Klint finds some creative ways to use Taysom. It’s wild you went an entire season with that guy in the offense and basically never did anything that could be qualified as a trick play.
Cut ... da fat . A1c. So 2 speak.
A1 sauce?
The ONLY reason Haener and Peterman are on the team is the FRIENDS of Carr. Time to cut the sh!t and the deadweight.
Oh yea. Another reason to hate Carr. You people are really sick.
We spent a good amount of draft capital for Haener who has shown some neat stuff. And I believe Peterman is experienced with our QB coach
@@1001011011010 Good point. I also heard one podcaster say that we don’t need any players from the sad Raiders. Really? Every team has good players. Players move from team to team all the time. These people just say things out of ignorance and hatred.
As much as Carr bs Us , y’all trying to figure out if a kid is fabricating 😂
Hes so emotional must not like rattler He’s not battling for a starting job why money your paying carr way to much money to be on the bench I saw enough of trash ass Carr saints will suck until Carr leaves
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