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The Sopranos Ending | One MINDBLOWING Hidden Detail You Missed!
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Has there ever been an ending to a show more infuriating, more intriguing, more talked about? And talk about it, Sopranos fans do, with discussions always taking place as to what actually happened in the final scene. Was it just an unorthodox time to end the scene, was it a showcase of Tony’s constant paranoia, or was Tony killed in that moment? If he was murdered, who killed him? The members only guy? Well if he did, then who was that? Who was he working for, and why was Tony killed? So many questions, so little answers, but according to the creator of The Sopranos, David Chase, the answers are all there. Today I wanted to discuss a clue in the series related to Eugene.
The Sopranos ending explained.
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*The Sopranos | The Hidden Secrets That Reveal What Happened After The Ending:*
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Brother I’ve been thinking this scenario for awhile!! Thank you for articulating it. I truly believe we see all the different things we miss out on after the cut to black. This show is art and no show will ever be as deep, intelligent and amazing.
The Man in the Members Only Jacket in 2020: th-cam.com/video/E3rD3Azg0LY/w-d-xo.html
David didn’t know what was next for the Sopranos, a movie or a special or ...? so nothing happened to Tony he left it up in the air to keep his options open and keep us wanting to know and talking about his once in a lifetime masterpiece the Sopranos!!!
Have you heard the latest on Killers of the Flower Moon? It seems that they are doing additional shooting next week in Oklahoma and the release will probably be delayed to 2023...
Mate I think it's an excellent analisis and theory, I'm not buying it but excellent non the less. I always thought tony messed up by not Letting him out of the game, he could of squeezed him for half the inheritance and made everyone happy.
My theory is the guy in the members only jacket was a city worker that killed the entire Soprano's family because Meadow hit the curb 15 times trying to park that he just got done painting.
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Bruh
😂 that’s the way too looks at it. Lmao. 👍 he was waiting for her to come in. Lol
I love it! 👍
AJ did it because Tony cheated on Mario cart years earlier
My theory is that the members only jacket guy was hired by the landscaper that had to do everyone’s lawns free of charge
Lol love it
You're a selfish prick, Sal
Sal Vitro….god, he’s such a mope.
Sal Vitro, whatever happened there….
Poor Sal! The show did a great job of showing him a lot in the background.
It still amazes me how ppl think Tony lives.
We were looking through his eyes or pov everytime it showed the door. When the guy goes by in the members only coat, he goes in the bathroom gets his gun out, comes out.
Tony looks up to the door again, [now every other time he looked up the camera swaps to Tonys POV. Which is the front door. Thats his eye sight] So it still goes to his POV but its black because he just got his brains blown out.
Exactly! The key is the door chime that goes off which signals Tony’s POV. At the end is the only time we hear the door chime from Meadow entering and Tony never sees her because he takes a bullet to the cranium
The door chiming is important. Tony looks up every time the bell rings, with the last time being AJ and the members only guy. The director then shows the restaurant full of people, showing Tony has let his guard down, unlike him. His last door ring is Meadow, who comes in just in touch to watch her Dad get clipped.
Exactly it's a dark gritty show. No way the ending would be Tony lives happily ever after lol
But it's not his POV we see his face in 3rd person.
Who would kill him though? He just took out Phil and made an agreement with the New York guys. I feel like the ending is just left open for interpretation on purpose.
Rest in peace James Gandolfini. You put your heart and mind into entertaining us.
I was involved with someone who was friends with him and said he was one of the kindest & most authentic people he knew. And this was not the type of guy who usually went around saying stuff like that about people. R.I.P. to the late, great Mr. Gandolfini 🙏
Still blows my mind that David Chase actually had Gandolfini killed for real in the last scene of the show.
You know, Quasimodo predicted all of this
The Running Back of Notre Dame?
@@lowandodor1150 Quarterback, Hunchback, is there a similarity there? I think there is.
@@billp4 There has to be.
You're thinking of Sun Tazoo...
@@lowandodor1150Right. Notre Damus.
Tony's death is actually foreshadowed in the fith episode
When Tony takes Medow to college, the only reason the guy who is in witness possession doesn't kill him is because he is with his daughter Medow. Aka his guardian angel
Again, when Tony is shot Medow is the voice that brings him back
In the last episode Medow can't park and thus can't be there in time and Tony is shot from a 3 o'clock angle
I like the meadow being a guardian angel concept.
3:00 is important
plausible, but that wasn't the first episode...
In the very first episode Tony mock shoots Junior in the back of the head in a restaurant scene (originally in as a Godfathers refernce I suspect). Brilliant foreshadow as it turns out.
she saved him a few times...good concept
The ending leads back to Patsy. The only person who would know where Tony and the family were going to be that would behind Tony's whacking because Meadow and Patsy's son were engaged. Don't forget that Patsy held a grudge and originally wanted to kill him because of his twin brother's death.
That was the biggest question for me: who could have known Tony would be there? It's _possible_ Patsy could have known via his son who'd have known via Meadow, though nothing that's shown directly confirms this. But your contention that Patsy is the _only_ one who could have known is compelling, because I can't think of anyone else who would have..
@@dagtiqueg Rhiannion knew where they were going, and likely told Butch
@@ryanschlanser1657 You're right, she's the only one shown in the episode outside the family who definitely knows where they're going. I completely missed that. But her connection to Butch and the Lupertazzis is very tenuous (unless I missed something else, which is very possible)
@@dagtiqueg She's done some modeling as the show has alluded to, and in Butchie's salon it looks like her headshot is hanging up on the wall. It's actually pretty genius having her on the inside there with AJ. No one suspects a 17 year old girl, especially the audience. Even Tony, in response to Carmela saying "I don't like this", writes it off, "come on, who is she gonna tell?"
It's all right there infront of our face
And Butchie's motivation btw, would be payback for executing Phil infront of his family, a huge no-no in the mafia. Likely why they specifically targeted Tony when he was out with his family. He was not in hiding at the time after all, would not have been hard to find by himself
For me Tony was killed by The Members Only jacket guy, hence the title of the episode. My thought is for years we watched the show and "heard" and "saw" everything. We always watched Tony Soprano. In the last scene we watched what Tony was seeing. David Chase never filmed from Tonys vision before, only from ours. That fact ties in what Bobby said, "You probably never hear it coming + everything goes black" . That explains the fade to black, Tony himself went dark. Therefore dead! .
I think this makes the most sense.
This is what I think was missed by the fans when the ending first came out.
Maybe the parallel parking signifies parallel universes? The onion rings could quite possibly be a metaphor for time being a flat circle. And maybe it was the ghost of Gary Cooper who gunned Tony down?
He was gay, Gary Cooper?
@@user-qx5nk6qg2b NOBODY'S GOT AIDS!
@@shrim1481 trans whatevas
He was the strong, silent type
@@gstacks814 Vito and the security guard, whatever happened there.
There’s a breakdown which is excellent and explains the entire scene…the door chime is the key
It rings when Tony walks in and after he sits down; whenever the door chimes, we see Tony’s reaction to it and then TONYs POV of what he is seeing; happens for everyone that walks in….
At then end, meadow is running up to the front door, the door chimes, Tony looks up and we never see his POV because he gets taken out and never see Meadow walk in….
Brilliant Direction for the finale and something never done so creatively…
Chase didn’t give a crap about what the viewers wanted and you have to respect that…that why we never knew if the Russian guy in the Pine Barrens lived or died because he felt that not everything in Life is explained and wrapped up nicely
The best series ever
The initial article about this was on a WordPress called Master of sopranos. Amazing essay
I never thought about Eugene's kin murdering Tony but it's a considerable thought. If I remember correctly, Eugene's wife also encouraged him to kill Tony in an earlier episode. There may be more to the backstory than it appears.
His family came into alot of money too so could afford a hitman
@@raphaelkoch1573 Wow, you're absolutely right in connecting this dot. This speculation may find a place in the Sopranos cannon after all 👍
NY Mob did it.
He killls himself in previous episodes
@@WilliamByrne37 yea we know
When Tony almost dies, as he approaches the Inn, Tony B. is holding a clipboard with a list of names, who assumably have all died. That list could be the members who are allowed in to the party, which would connect back to the Member's Only.
Your whole theory is flawed because the writers completely went out of their way to credit that man's character NOT as Tony Blundetto in that episode
does not mean that theory is flawed @@ntibbitts21
@@ntibbitts21 what does it being Tony B or not Tony B have to do with the crux of what ccourt46 said?
I also thought that Tony walking into the diner and seeing himself sitting down was odd. I like the theory that he was reliving the murder again.
I think they got that from the ending of the 2001 Space Odyssey
another nice little theory. very interesting.
I actually think it was Meadow's POV when she enters the bar, signified by the last bell ring of the scene. In a literal sense, she'd have a clear shot of her father dying
What are you referring to, Tony seeing himself sitting down at the diner? Was that part of the scene in the last episode, or did it occur some other time?
I'm having a difficult time remembering that.
@@Born_Free_Die_Happy its right when tony enters the diner in the finale - he sees himself sitting at the table
I really love the idea that we see the 3 facets of a hit in those 3 murders we see - Self, Observers, and Family. That just adds to the "it's all there" so much more.
David Chase confirmed in an interview with the Hollywood Reporter in Nov. 2021 that the last scene was a death scene. He originally intended for Tony to get shot in his car but decided to change it to a diner.
Tfs even tho I'm sad triggered, so much 'family' drama hits the fan in a family diner...damn Santo Arturo could start a support group from the aftermath of so many mob whackings taking place in front of dining innocent bystanders, loss of appetite being a drop in the bucket of painful issues to overcome I'm sure. 😳 Charmaine too bless her ❤ lol
re read what he said
yea but, it could be that the viewer (us) got whacked.
I worked at a newspaper outside of Philadelphia during The Sopranos run and it turns out, the Member’s Only guy was a pizza shop owner in Pendel, Pennsylvania. He wasn’t an actor at all, but he caught the eye of a casting director. We interviewed the guy a few times and he always said he had no idea if he killed Tony or not. Pretty random, but true.
If I had a chance to ask David Chase a question it would be this: if David Chase, while scripting the series finale had a crystal ball and knew James Gandolfini would pass away, would he have killed Tony Soprano in the finale? I think the ambiguity of the finale arose from all the chatter about a potential Sopranos movie during that last season. I think it was Chases intent to allude to Tony’s assassination while at the same time affording him the ability to get a film green lit.
bingo he wanted to kill tony as the symbolism hinted but chase couldn't fully confirm it. too much money in a movie, paymasters wouldnt allow it. DC dont pay the massive contracts
If I had a chance to ask David Chase a question…it would…what the fuck is the Many Saints of Newark? Jesus Christ
@@weejoe27 I agree with you to a point. Though I did enjoy many saints, I think the main problem I personally had with it is this: as a stand alone film, it was almost episodic in the way it was scripted. Too much like the layout of the series. It would’ve been a tremendous hit had Chase got the okay to do a six part limited series. So much more could’ve been developed, and in a year or two they could’ve did a final six taking Tony (played by Michael) into the late 80’s tying in close to the timeline (late 90’s) where the Sopranos began.
' the trial of Anthony Saprano' would of be incredible, flash backs ,the chaos behind the scenes...
I agree on TMSONW. so much potential, so much rich lore to be explored. And we got nothing.
Thats a good point. He did leave the door open for a movie. I never thought of that
The only people who hate the final episode of The Soprano’s are those who watch films & television series in a one dimensional/surface only manner.
Thank you, now i don't have to type it.
Who the F are you, the God of television watching? lol
Agreed. I thought it was brilliant.
Look at how smart I am!
Agree 👍🏼
Tony was already dead in the final scene. He's stuck in limbo reliving his death over and over trying to get one last look at the person he loves the most. Of all the songs to play its "don't stop believing". Like Chase said, "its all there".
This is what I've always thought too was he was always dead and just reliving the good memories. Hence the esoteric dreams and how so many things go his way initially like not getting shot during the first attempt at him in season 1.
Chase confirmed this isn’t so.
No.
I think it’s Eugene’s wife who has hired a hitman. Most of Tony’s known enemies are dead and I like the idea of him being killed by a civilian- someone he wouldn’t have thought of.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
@@mrd3016 hehehehehehe!
She was a recently widowed millionaire. Surrounded by scumbags. She would have had to fend off the offers.
"No you didn't know it. I just fuckin' told you!"
Perhaps Eugene's wife was in cahoots w/Patsy & AJ's gf somehow... who knows, maybe even NY was involved in settling things down to allow Tony to come out of hiding... lot of what ifs
Regardless of ending have to credit chase for stroke of genius. Sopranos will be kept alive indefinitely through splendid TH-cam such as this. Great stuff always a pleasure to watch looking forward to the vid ! Hope you post it soon !
Eugene also wearing a Members Only jacket on a hit is way too big a coincidence, it had to be intentional by David Chase. When asked in an interview about the ending in the final episode and if Tony died, David Chase was quoted as saying the clues are there, "Anybody who wants to watch it, it’s all there”.
Wtf does that have to do with a Member's Only jacket? Chase was refrring to the black screen & "When the time comes..." speech by Bobby and the hit of HairDo when Syl hears and sees...nothing.
Nothing to do with a jacket.
Yeah then after gandolfini died he said Tony lived. Which is unfortunate because that ending, when you take all the clues into account, was truly brilliant.
@@mrd3016 there were far more clues than that.
There’s also an episode called MEMBERS ONLY. Yet it’s only mentioned in the episode once. Something that minute wouldn’t become an episode title, it has to mean more
Also remember Vito commenting the member’s only jacket early
My take on the ending was: Tony does get killed at the end - it is the logical conclusion to his character and to the series... however they did it the way they did, with the fade to black and not actually showing him getting killed, to leave questions in case some studio came at them with a big wheelbarrow full of cash to make a The Sopranos movie and they still needed Tony alive for those.
Allegedly there were serious talks of a movie
The show runner confirmed it in 2020 I believe.
@@sebastienc.2257 Confirmed what? That there is/will be a a movie? Or confirmed that’s why they did the ending that way?
@@sebastienc.2257 yeah, it was lame he spelled it out..I respected that he wouldn't make it crystal clear
The show start out with Tony fearing he was going to lose his family symbolised by the ducks. The final scense shows after everything that happened in the series the family was still together
Guys, come on. Mr. David Chase was already foreshadowing HOW Tony Soprano would be murdered, as far back as season 3. Tony S comes out of a diner, with "diner" at the 3 o'clock position relative to Tony's head. Christofer Multisanti comes back from the dead and says "3 o'clock". This ALL foreshadowed the final scene of the series.
Fast-forward to the series end: When the man in the members only jacket whacks Tony, he comes out of the men's room right into the... you guessed it... 3 o'clock position, next to Tony's head. Not to mention, in the final episode, TS told his sister Janet that he was "minutes away". Double meaning: minutes away distance-wise, but also minutes away from death. In the same episode, he, TS, stood next to the van with "On Ice" printed on the van exterior. Right next to his head, in the 3 o'clock position. The camera settled in for a second or two, just so all the viewers could see this. "On ice" is slang meaning "corpse".
Conclusion: Tony Soprano was executed by the man in the Members Only jacket, who shot from the 3 o'clock position. Case closed.
But there is more evidence! When TS walked into the diner at the end of the final episode, there were 3 red tail lights reflected onto him from cars in the street. These symbolize the 3 times he was shot. First, by the two black dude assassins in season 2 (?) These black dudes were referenced by two black men who walked into the diner at the end of the series finale. One of these men even holds his fingers kind of like a gun, to foreshadow the shooting to come.
The second red tail light symbolizes the shooting of TS by Jr. Soprano.
The thrid red light is on Tony's head, foreshadowing and symbolizing the kill shot of the assassin that was to come only minutes later.
As Mr. Chase said, it is ALL there. ALL of it.
I can only see two red taillights..Where's the third please?
@@user-hh9sk7oy6d You are right, there are only 2.
Good point about how the show tells us what would happened after Tony's real death. This show has so many Easter egg, clues, symbolism it's just beyond brilliant writing.
I think Tony had a final panic attack that put him into cardiac arrest. The line in the Journey song “don’t STOP”. As in his heart stopped just as he looked up to see Meadow walking in through the front door.
Totally! Always thought the lyrics of "don't stop" had extra meaning of possibly Meadow or Carm saying this while Tony's killer lines up his shot. " DON'T! STOP!" .... also could just be a witty play on just the end of the series, the end of Tony. Emphasis on "Stop" . I think the ending was brilliant, perfect end to a perfect show. The open interpretation of the ending is the best way I feel to have it end. Idk why people want to see Tony's death. Anyway that's my rant...
for me it was carmela’s setup to go to holsteins right..she finally set him up..Believe it ! maybe still watch it over n over best series ..but chase really produced an obama spin on the trashy many saints flick..hated it..Sorry David it was Diversity ugly…
@@geowilson1587 well i mean thats what was going on back then. Plus we get to find out JR killed Dicky
Whether Tony was shot or not he had fulfilled his life’s mission in the last episode and that was to ensure Meadow and Anthony Jr escaped his criminal universe. This is something Carmine Jr had been aiming for his whole life and was therefore the perfect pair of safe hands to mentor Anthony Jr. Meadow too had found stability with a straight respectable guy who also had a mob background. Both parents were immensely proud and relieved.
He most definitely got shot
AJ and Meadow both ended up mobbed up and sacrificed their beliefs for money.
AJ became like Michael Corleone. He had to step up.
Meadows Got a Brand New Chevy Silverado it's an electric truck, I saw the commercial, she was meeting AJ to charge it
there's no way aj doesn't do anything if Tony gets shot in front of him. he was ready to kill Junior in the mental ward cause he shot Tony.
A point of observation: Not only just Eugene, but several "hired" hitmen are often seen wearing a members only jacket throughout the series. Lou Galina, for one (and really just the most fresh in my head after rewatching,) is seen wearing one. The man in the members only jacket doesn't need to be anyone related, and ironically, often hitmen in the series pretend to know the person they're about to kill - to keep their hit confused and guard down.
Didn't realize that, good point
@@Gigibaby88 just watched the episode where Bobby buries an anniversary cake. When his daughter discovers it, guess what's sitting on top? Tannish members only style jacket.
@@RobertNolan oooh good one, I just started rewatching the show again, I'll have to look out for that!
@@Gigibaby88 I just saw Feech La Manna wearing one as well, the other night in the 5th season.
@@RobertNolan is it true that the guy who shoots Sil is wearing one too? I heard that in a video but hadn't noticed it in my 1st watch. If it's true I would say that's more or less unanimous proof the members only guy in the diner shot Tony
One of the guys that shot Silvio was also wearing a members only jacket
didn't know that.. Good find 👍
Eugene was a snitch and the FBI also told him he couldn't go to Florida, so there's that.
Forget about Florida
@@some______guy Guess I'll go "hang" out in the garage...
I so enjoy these deep dives into the mystery of the Sopranos ending! I cannot wait for your next video! I never really considered the parallel theory about Phil getting killed in front of his family, and Tony having the same thing done to him. Both times, in very innocent, let-your-guard-down settings.
He's dead. Gun hidden in the bathroom just like the godfather. Paulie saw the writing on the wall. He was visited by the virgin mary at the bing, he took his *pieces of silver* from the NY barber shop, convened with his remaining member Patsy (seriously... guy's name is *patsy* ffs) who decided it was finally time to let Tony go, in comes nameless Members Only jacket guy (another giveaway) and that is the end of it.
It is hard for me to see why so many found this to be such a confusing or a bad ending after all this time. Greatest television show of all time. Wouldn't have been as meaningful any other way. Masterpiece.
Anyone who thinks Tony was not taken out at the cut to black really wasn't paying attention. Its all there and it is brilliant!! Cant wait to see your take on it.
I want to know if the whole family was taken out.
I’ve said the same if they were confused by the ending they didn’t pay attention to the clues and need to go back to Bobby and Tony’s convo on the lake
I thought he had a fatal heart attack and died.
Interesting perspective. The genius of David chase is that he still has us talking about it so many years later. Whatever happened there.
Lol
WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE!?
@@NPCuser-xi9so the shooting. God rest his soul.
Tony got killed by two shooters, the Members only guy and the older outdoorsman. Carmela and AJ got killed too.
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"You probably don't even hear it when it happens, right?" - Bobby
Tony died, watch the meeting between NJ and NY, after butchie says we'll back off they cut to the guy who Tony set the meeting up with and he looks down like he knows it's a lie, I just recently saw it.
I love the idea that his death marks our death as the witnesses of the world through his eyes. It’s a nice existential moment to contemplate. Does his consciousness turn into our consciousness and is he for us what we were for him in that show?
Do the audience reactions symbolize where he goes or what his reaction would be. People were really pissed off, dumbfounded, and upset. They called cable operators in some cases to see if their service was interrupted. In that interpretation Tony is in hell or purgatory
People eventually moved on to watch something else which could also represent reincarnation into the next life or getting out of purgatory.
Ultimately we and Tony, don’t get to know the answers or get to see what really happens because our time on that earth is done and like they said in Goodfellas (Chase’s main inspiration for the show) “had it been wiseguys, I wouldn’t have heard a thing. I would’ve been dead”.
Very cool to experience it from that angle
I guess the real question is do we accept death and move on or fight it and become ghosts haunting the scene
All interesting points. I personally thought the ending was brilliant but I guess I'm in the minority 🤷♀️
The first thing you said seems accurate the other I’d call it over analyzing
@Gigi88 I'm in the minority as well... I thought the ending was perfect!
The entire series is based upon what was going on in Tony’s head, in his world. Without Tony, it’s curtains. Nothing exists in Tony’s world once he’s dead. Lights out. I have always said, Tony’s story is an existential one, simple as that.
I love this interpretation! It's very thought-provoking. Thanks for sharing!
This show had so many layers, that is why it is a masterpiece.
It makes more sense that New York put the hit on soprano.
Tony had Phil wacked, in front of his family , so Butchy had Tony killed, in front of his family.
*BIGGEST CLUE YOU MISSED* - _"Tell Tony and Paulie...tree o'clock"_ If you look at the bathroom, it was on Tony's right. If the hitman came out of there to shoot him, that would be 3 o'clock in the direction the hands point.
Charles schwaab ova hea😖
The bathroom was at his 9:00 not 3:00.
@@sherifrost2629 No it wasn't. It was on his right. Every clock I've seen has 3 on the right side of the dial.
@@sherifrost2629 bro do u have trouble understanding a clock? the rest room was at his 3oclock.
@@wulfhere83 Most clocks I've seen have the 3 on the right side of the clock. Tony was facing the front door and the bathroom was on his right.
He says everything is there but nobody is going to agree on a singular answer
I think the guy in the Members Only jacket was the brother of Gene's wife and with some of the $2 million she was left with, paid him to kill Tony.
"Don't stop-"
The only thing keeping me from thinking it's Eugene's people is that Tony was pretty alone and exposed at this point, and plenty of people with more money/power than Eugene's wife wanted him dead as well. Seems unlikely that they could be the first to get to him.
Butchie, okay'd n assisted by Paulie and the twin dude who Tony killed his brother
Eugene is just a clue that he dies. The answer is actually really obvious as to what's going on. Yes Tony is murdered and it is the members only jacket guy. He would be at low-ranking made man probably getting a promotion following this. But the reality is pretty simple. Honestly it was Butchy all along. I would be willing to bet you money that Butchy egged Coco on to threaten Meadow. He was there when Tony beat Coco. He was the one who undermined Little Carmine's attempt to broker peace between Tony and Phil following the Coco incident. He was the one that convinced Phil to go to war. After the death of Tony's lieutenants oh, he was the one that set Phil up, or at least gave his permission. He set the girl Rihanna to date AJ in order to spy on Tony. Before you say he would never have relied on her I guarantee you that was not her first report. From the moment she started being with the family he knew Tony's whereabouts at all times even when Tony thought it was completely Secret. All we had to do was pick and choose which time. I guarantee you yet also verified her information multiple times prior to that incident. If that had fallen through they would have just picked another time. With Phil and Tony out of the way and the New Jersey leadership out of the picture Butchie effectively became they had a both of those families. There is a solid chance the girl Rihanna did not last week following the death of Tony. She would have known too much and likely would have been found dead of a drug overdose. Meadow and Carmella likely would have lived, however if it looked at all like AJ was going to seek revenge he would have been taken out. But yes it was Butchy all along.
Yes it was Butchy. He said they should kill Tony and absorb the family as a crew into the Lupertazzi Family
And that’s what he did
Would likely not have been a made guy if he allowed Tony to get a good look at him before going into the bathroom. Would have just come in guns blazing or tried harder to not be noticed.
@@dondajulah4168 it had to be a made man, because only a made man would be allowed to preform the hit. That being said he would have been from New York. Probably had only recently been made. Also the scene was a homage to Michael's first kill in the Godfather, and the Member's only jacket guy did go into the bathroom. So probably either a gun in there, or he went into there to get the gun ready. Finally in addition with the way the diner was laid out, it would have been harder for witnesses to identify him if he walked out of the bathroom, shot Tony, and kept walking out.
@@joem1480 Why would it have to be a made man? Plenty of precedents for using even non-Italians for hits on bosses IRL (e.g. Joe Columbo) as well as Boyz2Men and Big Carmine
@@dondajulah4168 that is true, but normally when a non-made man kills a made man it doesn't go well for the killer after. Obviously there are exceptions, but that at least is supposed to be the rule. In addition though Butchy is setting himself up to be the rational, rules following type while intentionally making Tony and Phill look like loose cannons (they don't do anything to help themselves in this). But because of the role he set for himself he has to play by the rules and use a made man. That being said you are right and he could use anyone. If he felt it wouldn't hurt his image he would use a street punk and then get rid of him later (see what I believe happened to Rihanna).
Tony is killed pure and simple and David Chase gives us a memorable end to contemplate and discuss and to me that is the epitome of great art.
I also think David Chase did this on purpose so ppl would be talking about the show for years and years to come
Clever. Forever relevant.
Always leave them wanting more.
Eugene also drops the gun in the same awkward way Michael does at the end of the famous bathroom/gun hit.
One detail that happens throughout the show is often we’ll get a shot or Tony’s facial expression as he reacts to something, then the next shot will be from his perspective.
Putting this into the context of the ending, we get a shot of tony looking up as the door opens, then we cut to his perspective which is all black- he didn’t even hear it when it happened
The ending is easily explained. David Chase knew the series was finished but had hopes for a feature film so he left the ending ambiguous. If Jim Gandolfini had lived and signed on to the project he would have looked up to see Meadow walk in. But, sadly, he had a heart attack so nobody knows except David Chase and he's not telling anyone for free because people are still talking about the ending.
I think all 4 of the sopranos were killed; because if the Members Only Guy 'Was' the killer, that would explain him waiting. Whoever ordered this wanted ALL the Sopranos dead. Likely to send a message: 'The Soprano > Crew< is Finished'
Here's something interesting that adds to the death evidence: Chase wanted there to be no credits... just black and silent for the amount of time the credits would have been there. He was not allowed to do it... laws were apparently in place on the production side that make it mandatory for people to be credited. This info comes from Michael Imperioli who played Christopher... he talks about it during the last episode of his podcast about the Sopranos.
its the the line in dont stop believing. "the movie never ends it goes on and on"
One of the things that bug me in the last scene is that Tony doesn't take notice of the man entering right behind his son. NY wants Tony dead. He's in a war. Silvio is in a coma. He goes out to dine with his whole family without any protection and when a goon enters right behind his son, he doesn't take notice. That's not the Tony we know.
I agree , Tony’s senses should’ve been on high alert, especially since the the guy was wearing a members only jacket that Eugene had been ribbed about never taking off in an earlier episode. Tony would’ve clocked the guy & the jacket, the fact he didn’t is a cop out on the writer’s part, insulting to the viewers.
That’s a good point.
Maybe he was off his game because off the Carlo situation being fresh in his head and was distracted by food and music choices
@@Joker-do8gl Well....they were the best onion rings in the state...
The goon entered right _in front_ of his son.
@@nathanielhellerstein5871 That's like your opinion man
I am going to merge a couple of theories here, but what I think is that Eugene's wife paid New York to have it done, and Butch used Rhiannon as his inside informant to let him know where to send the assassin, the guy in the jacket.
This will STILL be debated 100 years from now !
I think like many people Tony dies because of all the Members Only factors but also simply because the whole show we’ve been with Tony. Sure, he’s not in EVERY scene, but it always comes back to him. I like to think that since Tony died, the show died. Without Tony, what do we have left to see? His poor family witnessing this murder? It’s probably best left at the cut to black.
Remember when Christopher was in the hospital he said that Mikey left a message for Tony and Paulie. The message was “3 o’clock”. The members only guy walked to the bathroom in a 3 o’clock formation from Tony’s viewpoint where he sat at the diner.
What is sudden death like? One could easily imagine you are doing your thing, maybe soaking in the moment, maybe enduring the quotidian- what if a bullet hit you in the head? An asteroid landed right on top of you? A bolt of lightning ends you? It wouldn’t be a slow process, but rather you moving along abs then- nothing (not taking into account any afterlife or spiritual transitions). THAT was what they were showing us in that last episode. Tony was just having an average evening and then-
And then what? You didn't finish your sentence.
The actor who played Teddy S later was in Boardwalk Empire as one of Al Capone's men.
We the viewer died and it went black. Tony was last seen face on... If it was Tony it would have gone black when he looked up as Meadow walked in. So the last view would be of Meadow... And then black.
The coma episode is a current version of foreshadowing, and multi-versing. It doesn't matter if he survived another hit, his life was over, his mission failed. The family is done.
I always thought if Meadow hadnt messed up her parallel parking Tony would have lived, she would have been sitting next to Tony directy in the Jackets line of fire as he left the toilet, he would have aborted the mission, as it was he had a clear line of fire
Meadow being delayed because of her bad parallel parking is one of the main reasons I think Tony was killed. Because she wasn't there, his "3 o'clock" was exposed. I've always felt that David Chase intentionally delayed her so as to clue us in on the fact that he was indeed killed.
The detail everybody seems to miss is that everybody in the entire Sopranos universe all died at the same exact moment when the screen went black so there was never a chance for Tony to be killed
Yup. A nuclear bomb hit.
One thing underlines the fact we are seeing the story from Tony’s eyes is the Coma experience we follow his experience with his dreams - cut to black is when Tony’s lights went out - Dead he dies he’s murdered
Nice video btw
The one who killed Tony, was Eugene's brother, but he acted on orders
from little Carmine, who acted on orders from the heads of the other New York families.
They gathered, spoke, and came to the decision that Tony must be taken out, for Phil's death.
Butch told them he was backing off then told Tony to do what he has to do to Phil. That was the only family of New York the other families were not a part of it at all. The other families weren’t ran by guys like Phil they were more like carmine who avoided unnecessary wars
So I never watched the series until just recently and have just finished the final episode. That being said it is my belief that Tony got whacked from behind as he was stepping into the restaurant and this entire scene is just his subconscious.
I also believe that Paulie either did the deed or ordered or arranged the hit. Paulie has always had connections to the New York Families and has betrayed Tony to them in the past. He also has to recognize with Bobby and Christoper dead Sil on a coma, and the other capo missing , likely flipped, that what remains of the New Jersey family cannot survive and will be a target for mob gangs of non Italians, so he aligns himself with A New York family who will be in a better position to eliminate Carlo.
You missed the 3 o’clock reference from Christopher’s death nightmare
One mini legacy is that it’s changed the emotion evoked by “Don’t Stop Believin” despite the fact that I’d heard the song thousands of times before the finale. It elicits a low grade anxiety now…I’m waiting for something to happen that inevitably never does.
It was the BOY SCOUTS who killed tony.
Now we got a real man talking.
One of the biggest clues for me came from season 1, where Livia is talking to AJ and she says something to the effect of "when you go, suddenly it's all black."
I caught this immediately on my first rewatch and that sealed it for me. This was planned from the beginning.
Nah not from the beginning
Fun fact. The guy in the members only jacket he’s from Pendell Pennsylvania owns a pizza parlor. They call him Pendel Paul.
I watched this episode many times. One thing i noticed, not a big deal, but the guy dressed like a truck driver, when he's pouring sugar in the coffee, you see his lower part of his face.....looks alot like david scatino.
I really enjoy your break down videos and I’m looking forward to hearing your take on the ending.
He just gave it Patsy. Put down the gabagool & pay attention.
@@mrd3016 OHH! hahaha I am referencing the video he mentioned he is working on discussing all theories on the ending.
I went to Holstens this weekend!
I think the three of them get killed. If the hitman used a silencer, the family might be the only witnesses with a clear description of the otherwise indistinctive guy. The number three shows up a lot. When Tony enters, we see 3 bright hanging lights behind him (one might be a reflection, but a clear one). There are 3 boy scouts. Carmela, uncomfortable, adjusts herself 3 times. The man is served 3 creamers. When the table is shown from the perspective of the shooter there are exactly 3 wall lights seen. Meadow's license plate starts with a 3 followed by a (triple 3) 9, and she gets the parking right on the 3rd try. When Tony flips through the songs the word magic appears 3 times. 3 onion rings, a food with a hole, are consumed.
CineRanter, the bigger question is one that is never asked. That is, would Tony flip? I honestly think he would.
Oh please, you obviously don't know Tony very well.
I think the man in the Members Only jacket was a plot device created by the writers to build tension before the fade to black. I don’t believe he had anything to do with Tony’s death. Other theories of involvement by specific characters are minimally plausible. I believe Tony had a heart attack.
I dunno if anyone else has mentioned this, but at one point Eugene's wife suggests just whacking Tony. Maybe she followed through after Gene killed himself.
In the final scene every time the bell rings when the door opens, you get a view from Tony’s perspective the last time the bell rings the screen goes black …..there you have it
Legend has it that Noah walked in and punched his fuckin lights out
The ending was brilliant!
Welp I didn't like the ending Tony shoulda let Eugene go that was the saddest part of the whole season 6 E had hit the motherload and Tony being selfish not letting him leave
Everyone ALWAYS gets what they deserve
I just started watching this and I first thing I noticed was the members only jacket that Gene was wearing or like the one team was wearing
Sal Vitro, the Leonardos, the Parisis, the Pontecorvos, Feech LaManna, Butchie, Heshy are just a small batch of people who definitely would've had strong motive to see Tony hit.
Tony died from panic attack. The clues all over in season 6. Eugene was not that cleaver.
I swear I never thought of that...lol & hey spkng of Eugene, it's so nothing lol but after rewatching scenes, Vito loves Eugene so much I think cuz in another life his name was Gino 🙃
No
SHARP AS A FUCKING CUE-BALL
Thinking about Meadow, Aj and Carmela holding Tonys split wig breaks me heart.
If the Members Only guy was a shooter there was no reason to go to the bathroom. It was an homage to the Godfather, but there the gun needed to be stashed. Here he could've walked right in shooting, rather than hang around there all that time so as to be identified.
"Teddy" is also the name that Febby Petrulio calls Tony right before Tony murders him in season 1. It's another reason to think that Teddy's death is a foreshadowing of Tony's.
I still believe AJ's GF had a role to play in the murder of Tony.
Pretty sure Chase shot that theory down.
There were plenty of clues throughout season 6 that allude to this being his death scene other than just showing it, which is why I thought it was so brilliant.
It was Valery, the interior decorator. He killed 16 Czechoslovakians, so whacking Tony would be no problem for him. David Chase said that after he escaped in the pine barrens, he was found by a Boy Scout troop and who was in the diner? A Boy Scout troop. David Chase all but shouted it at us.
I hated the ending I hated the lack of actually finding out what happened. Like you couldn't do a cut to a funeral scene or something absolutely hated it.
I love these video analyses of the ending. To add another point to your Tony vs Teddy foreshadowing. Notice during the close up of Tony @ 3:44, Tony has a chipped, misaligned right front tooth. At 6:09 you can see that Teddy also has a chipped right front tooth. I know the actors are actual human beings, and I'm not trying to highlight the physical impairments, but being they are actors, the HBO production would have had thousands of actors to choose from to portray Teddy. It does seem more than a coincidence they selected a Teddy actor that was caucasian, heavyset, AND had a chipped front tooth from all their casting options if they did not intend to link Teddy to Tony.
The scene where Eugene kills the guy in the restaurant is extremely unrealistic. The mob almost never kills people that owe them money, at least not first beating them to within an inch of his life so that Teddy would not be smiling and reaching out to shake Eugene's hand but shitting in his pants huddled in a corner.
It was made clear they were past asking this guy for their money
@@poeticriffraff umm, the mob doesn’t “ask” people for money. They make it clear what the consequences will be when you don’t pay. They might give you a light beating as a first warning which might require a short hospital stay. During that time, they may mention where your kids go to school or where your wife works as another threat mechanism. The second warning will be one which required a lengthy hospital stay and some kind of permanent disability or disfigurement. At that point, you are not going to be smiling and extending your hand to anyone that you have not met before. You will be in a state of permanent PTSD. Even then, the mob probably won’t kill you because it achieves NOTHING that a life altering beating does not achieve while carrying almost ZERO risk compared to killing someone in a public place. Only time the mob is going to kill someone in front of witnesses is if it is too difficult to take the target somewhere isolated. It is just plain stupid business practice to go from being late on a loan payment to murder. That is not how it works when collecting money out on the street. The mob has been doing this for a while and understand you cannot collect from a dead person and that there is ALWAYS a way to get someone to pay their debt. How do you think they got some black guy to assassinate Joe Columbo? Do you think he was thinking he was going to get away after he pulled the trigger? The mob will have you rob or be a front person for a fraud or take a fall for a crime to repay your debt . A murder in a public place always carries a high level of risk and the cops will always devote resources to solve that kind of crime. You beat a guy within an inch of his life and there is surprising almost no police interest in solving that crime relative to a murder and the consequences are much less severe. And that is assuming that the victim is cooperative with LE which would be extremely unlikely
@@poeticriffraff go back and watch the first episode of the show as a perfect demonstration of how the mob handles people that do not pay back their debts. And that guy was bragging to people about not paying his debts which is about the worst thing you can do. Tony broke his kneecaps and then had him defraud his employer to pay off the money he owed. Also look at Richie handling Beansie by putting him in a wheelchair. He did NOT kill him because it was more effective symbolically to have people see Beansie rolling in his wheelchair to enhance his rep as a rough guy. Also, Beansie would not testify to anything. If he is dead, the cops are forced into conducting a full investigation which would likely lead to a murder indictment t for Richie and all kinds of headaches for Tony and his family. Murder is a tool reserved for persons that represent threats to the business or specific violations where murder as a solution is a rule. It is not a tool used to solve common everyday problems like civilians being a few payments behind or even refusing to acknowledge a debt.
@@dondajulah4168 bro I'm not reading your novel. I just said it was made clear they were past asking for their money
@@poeticriffraff that’s cool. Wouldn’t want you to over exert your brains limited capacity
Live by the gun. Die by the gun. That is all. Tony had enemies far and wide.
I think he was dreaming. The door chime woke him up.
I doubt that….