On the Mandela Topic, him being celebrated all over the world. Samora Mashele once said "If one day you hear whites speak well of me, know that I have betrayed you."
@@vona5251 Becoming a Zimbabwe is a crucial first step for every country that is trying to figure out stuff. USA , Japan, France, UK, Germany, China all went through it, to figure shit out you gotta go through some shit.There is no overnight success
And that's called what? Does this mean we as South Africans must not oppose the wrongs of apartheid by not getting what was taken by force? If so then it means a black nation is less important than a white man therefore they are your demi Gods since you fear, what they will do when you stand up for your rights you're a coward of note you rather keep a oppressors for sack of servival by working for them. @@vona5251
If only we focused on changing our country and stopped waiting for political parties to do it , they can't. They're in the business of looting at scale. The talented youth need to find says to innovate and push everyone forward , let the politicians talk about everything but real world solutions.
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Samora Mashele once said "If one day you hear whites speak well of me, know that I have betrayed you." for eg'' Robert Mugabe was celebrated before when he started talking about land that's where the problem started for Zimbabwe.
Need the sky all the time......its a deep thinker. I could relate Floyd. Very inspired and encouraged. Namibian follower. All the best for 29thMay 2024.
He is right about CODESA. Consider this following quote by an economist very deeply because this is what happened here in SA. "A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom" --- Milton Friedman All we often here about is equality but we misunderstand equity and in fact we seem to ignore it. A law could tell us that we are equal but! when we investigate 'equity' we begin to glean that people are NOT economically equal. This is where equity is misunderstood. As long as we divide a people by race, we going to experience equity challenges. In fact equity show us that people are even more oppressed.
Wnen people talk about CODESA like it was peaceful time i feel like they misleading the young ones. They must also talk about political violence that was happening at the time that had an influence on the decisions that were made. I'm form the East Rand and I remember era and one can lie to me
You're right. As far as I can see the people who are doing the real selling out are these TH-cam celebrity revolutionaries who tell obvious lies. To them it's all about gaining likes and collecting followers to brag about. But I also suspect a more sinister agenda to confuse natives in SA by denying them a sense of heroism. In that way, the young will always doubt and denigrate themselves and their own people.
These guys are all talk....as if they are smart and everyone else is a fool. Ungrateful kids....EFF is incompetent and think they are the only ines with brains
The ANC is our country's greatest impediment...I wish more people would recognise that. You cannot uplift the poor with an economy that is flatlining. We need a growth rate above 4% per annum to make a dent in the status quo. The ANC can make all the promising they like, without a thriving economy, they are not viable.
So the eff will do that? You talk as if these things were given at the very start. Growth is also hindered by crime in the neighborhood. Our country shouldn't be spending a lot on policing and wasting hospital resources by people who beat each in shebins. Why do you talk as if there are no challenges in our country that are affecting growth. Most of the challenges outside the government are what is costing the country, not the anc. Look at how much eskom spends on cable theft and illigal connection. Is that the anc?
This stance on Mandela is heartbreaking to hear, as a young black man. This brother talking on a broadcast show in South africa is due to the sacrifices of past generations...To call it "rubbish", whilst earning a SALARY from the parliament that was established by those efforts is the height of hypocracy and delusion. Im all for empowerment of our people and some of the tenants that the eff is trying to espouse(self sufficiency of Africans, self determinatio, etc).The issues we face today with high levels of inequality and poverty cant solely be attributed to one thing. There are many factors that we need to address, but disrespecting the bedrock/foundation on which we should be building is saddening
So IOW,you go along with deception of the highest order?The notion that anyone has to " get permission" to state their case,has long passed it sell-by date.And insofar as "disrespecting" ?Come on,wake up.What farce masquerading as "democratic" elections recently:now THAT is the height of disrespect to hard-working,long-suffering,taxpaying south ( note south,not South)Africans. ALUTA CONTINUA.
So according to you Floyd destroyed vbs??? Well I am a black person and many don’t celebrate Mandela you empty head. We just respect him that all, it doesn’t mean he didn’t compromise hence he said Aluta continua
@@levikalombo1630what was the gain for that compromise though. Peace and no civil war or sanctions which would further impoverish us blacks. The whites would have just left. These entitled and ungrateful young ones whonhavemt done much to prove to us they are worthy . mandela spent more than 27 years in jail. So that these ones would not be farm workers now they have a big mouth. Sies
Definitely that is what I have been always thinking of having free access to universities even if you are not enrolled, just for enhancing our knowledge that can be progressive
Bro just to how life and walls are in universities, I mean we had dreams of studying but could not afford, now we are not allowed to find closure, EFF is us youth of SA, especially 80s
@@gatshenindlovu8224iyoooo😢 Ndlovu, I feel for the pain you tell particularly for people who have never been to University or a mere College..😢😢😢 but ANC doesn't give a damn of poor masses
I read the French revolution. I read the American revolution. I read the Nazi revolution. When the revolution was over. The was no hint of what oppressed them. We still have all the tools of the oppressors intact. Including the song they sang when they were doing the oppression
So you blame the failure of the ANC on 7 % of the population? If blacks were capable in Africa the continent would be thriving. Where is the black Sanlam, Discovery, Liberty Life, SA Breweries etc etc. over 30 years and you still have to take 51% of those businesses from white people who built those companies. Carry on blaming whites instead of building something of value for the people because it’s easy.
I thought i was the only one with such perception with Mandela, he even jumped the ship early because he knew as time goes people will realize compromise he made.
In any negotiation , a compromise needs to be made. We enjoyed many benefits. If u wanted us to be like zimbabwe then move there and leave us with the compromise he made
When people say like Zimbabwe 🇿🇼, it's funny because Zimbabwe is owned and controlled by black people, most south africans live in houses made of plastics, you don't see white people living in such places, white people live is Santon. The 2008 picture of Zimbabwe is different from the current picture of Zimbabwe today.
100 % agree with Floyd. A deal was made... The main stream media can push any narrative they want, and the bulk of the people will believe it. What about Chris Hani- why was he taken out? Could it be that he was one of natural successors to Mandela- could it be that he had ideas on SA's resources that could benefit the people rather than the few rich people.
I agree with DP codesa and truth and reconciliation were rubbish and we forgive and forget without justice and now we getting injustice from apartheid europeans, Viva EFF ❤
You talk like this because of what president Mandela and his group managed to achieve. Militarily, there was no way blacks were going to win. Is like thinking that palestinians should fight with Israel militarily today. EFF has done nothing for this country so far, but you talk like you have done a lot.
Thabo Mbeki began meeting with the Afrikaner Broederbond in the late 1970's, early 1980's. There was a meeting held in 1987, in Lusaka, between the ANC, led by Thabo Mbeki, with the Afrikaners. Businessmen & Politicians. In that meeting, the future of Zuid-Afrika was decided, signed & sealed. By the time the parties sat for Codesa, everything had already been decided. That's why Chris Hani, Azapo & the PAC walked out of Codesa. We need access to education. Tertiary education. So that we can read & learn. & Analyze real Politik from a very informed & Progressive point of Departure.
@sibongisenikhumalo8198 I'm surprised you don't know this. It's in the public domain. Anyway. Start with a book by Stephen Ellis. Entitled "External Mission. The ANC in Exile: 1960 - 1990"
Be patient in building EFF Floyd and impatient in gaining and applying knowledge! You may not live to see the fruits of the ideology but the coming generations just may! Viva
Codesa was not a sell out project. Poorly funded SA liberation movements were against one of the best military in the world SANDF. To win against was impossible, this the need to create win win situation. Winner take all approaches don't work.
EF is trying out the Moses Manoeuvre! Question: Why did Moses, of the Bible, lead the Israelites for 40 years through the barren desert? Whereas the distance between Egypt and Palestine can be travelled in only 2 weeks? Answer: Moses wanted to be IN CONTROLL! Explanation: Moses knew the desert conditions so well that he, as leader, could 'call the shots' and the Israelites obeyed him. He realised that he would lose controll as soon as the group entered the fertile 'promised land' of which he knew nothing! To remain in controll he deceived the group and kept them 'captured' in the barren desert for 40 years! Malema, and many other African 'strugglers' are emulating Moses. They keep their naive followers 'captured' in the 'liberation struggle' ... only for themselves, to stay in controll. Mugabe and his comrades, kept Zimbabwe in the 'desert' of violence, poverty and starvation from 2080 untill 2024 ... to satisfy their own 'lust for power'. In SA the ANC did the same ... they kept SA in the desert' of racial conflict, violence, poverty and starvation for 30 years. Zuma got away with the 'Moses manoeuvre' in 2009 ... and is now trying to 'pull' the same trick on the unsuspecting, naive voters. Just imagine where South Africa could have been NOW if we skipped the past 30 'lost', struggle years by electing leaders that know how to govern the 'promised land' of democratic South Africa? Let's get rid of the backward 'strugglers' ... or they will keep SA in the 'desert' for another 30 years.
What utter nonsense....just leave Zbwe outta this...we are fine as it is...just deal with your politics ...RAINBOW NATION! Isnt I us Zbwns who told you repeatedly something that you always denied...there is no black on the rainbow...
Codesa and Anc was all about Mandela niyalisukela ixhego. Malema and floid they tend to forget that ANC was never communist organisation then their policy towards economy was not socialist, it was African capitalist economy
The same ANC that adopted the freedom charter that says "the land belongs to all who live in it" while the other guys just came and dispossessed the natives of their ancestral land very rich!
Was a first time voter on the 29th May 2024 and i voted the EFF, I grew up under my Apla veteran brother's teachings, of communism ideology and policies. I went there to vote very aware and having a deep insightful, of what i was doing and why. Im happy that i voted at the right time and age.
We need minds like Floyd to govern us as Africans, it's unfortunate how South Africans don't appreciate or realize how lucky they are to have such individuals to vote for.
We saw what happened to Zimbabwe, and we are good😊😊😊 Floyd hates the Whiteman, yet he studies in the white run universities. Why dont he go to university of limpopo or university of Harare. Where is the black African pride???
There is context and nuance… he said to be like Cuba in what sense? Education wise? Cuba is ranked * UNESCO: Youth Literacy Rate, ranked 6 out of 168 countries * UNESCO: Adult Literacy Rate, ranked 7 out of 171 countries * UNESCO: Elderly Literacy Rate, ranked 9 out of 168 countries * World bank: Quality of education, ranked 1 out of 18 Latin American and Caribbean countries Health care wise * World Bank: Mortality Rate Under 5, ranked 40 out of 215 countries. * World Health Organization: Life expectancy, ranked 33 of 184 countries According to the BMJ & other reputable sources Cuba has an average of 9 doctors and 9 nurses per 1,000 inhabitants. It has the most doctors-to-population ratio, exceeding the WHO's ideal physician-to-population ratio of 2.5 doctors per 1000. Their medical schools are world class. According to the BMA the average number of doctors per 1,000 people in OECD EU nations is 3.7, but England has just 2.9. And USA has 2.6 per, China 2.4 and the world’s largest democracy India has 0.9. Cuba is today one of the best equipped nations in the world in this sector. Thousands of Cuban doctors work in healthcare missions around the world.
True, I don't even do that 18m for Mandela, why should I do something for that man or on his behalf. I must do it for myself, my ancestors and my future generations. ANC needs to self correct, unions needs to work for workers not to collide with employers, this three pot systems which worker wants gvt or any institution to keep their money on a vested pot, and not grow, but when you finally have to get that money you have to pay tax, that's crap gvt, unions, insurance institutions and employers are dishing us
100 % literacy, more doctors than they can employ, the only reason Cuba is not a better economic performer is the eternal sanctions USA has put on them,and the constant undermine from disgruntled Cuban exiles in America.
Zuma...The last man standing. It's not about Zuma it's about Us being sold out to the dark Occultist....dark forces ( The bellabellaz) bills Evil is running Amok....Our problem are with nice ppl who don't what participate saying I'm ok with my big house and cars...while Evil run wild....
I am confused...what difference will it make to my brothers and sisters lives by removing a section of the national anthem? The stem does not bother me.
Floyd Shivambu is very fonny, he was a Senior Member of the ANCYL to a point where he was their National Spokesperson knowing all that he is saying here. Very fonny Floyd Shivambu.
No, we don't celebrate Mandela he's a liar (as usual) We celebrate hard working successfull people who have integrity. Integrity is a forgotten word not mentioned in black cultures.
If you like the idea of living in a failed state, vote ANC, EFF, or MK. If you like the idea of eradicating corruption, crime, and poverty, as well as building a resilient and high-performaning economy (the best on the continent), then put your faith in a credible opposition party or independent. The MPC has enormous potential to right the ship.
Imagine a high education qualification matric as a leader, hair business guru, pastor, traditional leaders mentality ganging up to change something 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Some south africans are unfair in their statement thats why the EFF will continue facing down fall. South Africa is big to follow the Zimbabwe way of no compensation. South African Government to buy this land and give it free to potential blacks inorder to avoid some economic shocks.
"Mayweather" is making "Solomon's" father very uncomfortable perhaps he being overly mindful of his patron's guidelines...the situation with South Africa is not unlike any of "former" ..now independent (?) Foreign owned corporate states ..whether they be in Africa..Asia..the Caribbean or anywhere else..local "managers"..i.e. go-fors were maneuvered into place amidst the loud din of music and celebrations..while "international"..European institutions were constructed..in sport..politics..religion..finance..to control and direct the conduct of these so-called independent entities.
Yes rubbish but a stepping stone that ANC could not remove after crossing the waters so that the white monopoly capitalists cannot us it. They never change the constitution when they could. Now they cannot firm a parliament. Who is rubbish Codesa or ANC?
He talks as if the Boers (National Party) had zero bargaining power or leverage during those talks 🙄 He speaks his ignorance with convincing confidence.
Kagiso why are you lying he was cought by who, when, do not confuse accusations as a smere campaign with real facts were ANC members were arrested and still in court for what you are lying about
We wont take land like Zbwe ..they destroyed their own economy...& when we said its not us but the sanctions...we were mocked...now you seem to agree that our Mugabe was the best...and you now doubt the wisdom of Mandela...you now have Msholozi...embrace him & let him guide EFF
Any criticism of the negotiations should be viewed against the background of the political violence and the right wing backlash in the 90s. It's easier for the yonger generation of politicians to criticise as if they would have done better.
Famous politicians in SA should know - u can be a super hero today + a zero the next day. Mandela was a saint since his verdict, a demi-god + father of the nation when released, black ppl ditched him, to be white ppls best friend. Majority of whites never saw him as their best friend. Mbeki was ousted after just 4 yrs. The same with Zooma +Rama. The moral of the story is, political fame + fortune can last for many yrs + that can change in an eye wink.
The eff is disappointing by letting them being left out of the present GMU.. do you still want to shout your way around to achieve changes and progress
Floyd Shivambu, the heart and soul of the EFF. Him and Julius are very complimentary. I hope none of them both catch the evil demon of outshining each other.
Nicely SUMMARISED, excuse me while I check the recent polls. I also feel like registering for a Masters thingie; which is totally not celebrated by white coloniialists.
These guys like Malema and Shivambu are funny to me because they are do quick to disrespect Mandela and ANC. They forget under what condition these deals were made. They think that they would have done better, they forget who made it even possible for them to able to insult their elders like that. But now is their turn let us see how they do! But what i have seen from them is to instigate the poor to make the area where the black live to be even more unbearable with these land invasions. And mind you these are already black areas where they are conducting these land invasions not the white areas, the people they say has all the land.
They rule and reign at such a cozy time and still fail to be honorable. Vbs looting and all the nonsense they did in lumpopo. Bridges that didnt hold. The nerve to insult mandela they will never be anything close to him. A true leader a father. Cant take these boys seriously
When stupidity follows you into leadership position!! South African democracy was achieved through a negotiated settlement. A clause about two thirds majority was wisely added into the agreement in order to change whatever was unfavourable to the majority at later stage. This opportunity arose during Mbeki's second term, but he instead of using it as expected, to adjust the constitution he concerned himself with African renaissance. Neccessary changes were never made and that was a lost opportunity for the majority. I'll stop here for people to go conduct further research. The point is that Mandela didn't have that level of power to change the constitution and needless to say he was too old after serving 27 years in prison. Either Floyd is ignorant or is just deliberately playing dumb
On the Mandela Topic, him being celebrated all over the world. Samora Mashele once said "If one day you hear whites speak well of me, know that I have betrayed you."
Mandela is not celebrated all over the world.
Mandela did what made south africa not become like Zimbabwe and Nigeria
@@vona5251 Becoming a Zimbabwe is a crucial first step for every country that is trying to figure out stuff. USA , Japan, France, UK, Germany, China all went through it, to figure shit out you gotta go through some shit.There is no overnight success
And that's called what? Does this mean we as South Africans must not oppose the wrongs of apartheid by not getting what was taken by force? If so then it means a black nation is less important than a white man therefore they are your demi Gods since you fear, what they will do when you stand up for your rights you're a coward of note you rather keep a oppressors for sack of servival by working for them. @@vona5251
If only we focused on changing our country and stopped waiting for political parties to do it , they can't. They're in the business of looting at scale. The talented youth need to find says to innovate and push everyone forward , let the politicians talk about everything but real world solutions.
Chris Hani was killed for questioning ANC and Apartheid negotiations.
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Thank you sir/madam . I just read about chris hani. I had never heard of him . This is despicable. Whites don't belong in SA .
And Malema was expelled from the ANC for asking the same questions Hani was asking
Bang on.And who gave the order?
@@ronaldbaatjes2470 you can tell us......
Why are CODESA documents not made public?
They are public Id10t!
@@attievanwyk3561 where genius?
Public from which platform?. @@attievanwyk3561
Link please
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This man seriously has put studies and self improvement a a key component
The EFF has opened so many black people's eyes, including myself... First time voter and my vote goes straight to the EFF❤
You mean they opened your eyes to misconception
Let's go!! Red all the way
Have you seen the EFF track record ?
@@masterq2.033 we are listening
@@vona5251What a hollow meaningless nothing statement. Try harder, the Ks are educated now and your empty musings of the past are just annoying.
Thise man really inspire me, especially about education he is leader I always look up to
What about VBS? also inspiring?
Samora Mashele once said "If one day you hear whites speak well of me, know that I have betrayed you." for eg'' Robert Mugabe was celebrated before when he started talking about land that's where the problem started for Zimbabwe.
And he was able to get the land back before he died for his people.
Need the sky all the time......its a deep thinker. I could relate Floyd. Very inspired and encouraged. Namibian follower. All the best for 29thMay 2024.
He is right about CODESA.
Consider this following quote by an economist very deeply because this is what happened here in SA.
"A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom"
--- Milton Friedman
All we often here about is equality but we misunderstand equity and in fact we seem to ignore it. A law could tell us that we are equal but! when we investigate 'equity' we begin to glean that people are NOT economically equal. This is where equity is misunderstood. As long as we divide a people by race, we going to experience equity challenges. In fact equity show us that people are even more oppressed.
Wnen people talk about CODESA like it was peaceful time i feel like they misleading the young ones. They must also talk about political violence that was happening at the time that had an influence on the decisions that were made. I'm form the East Rand and I remember era and one can lie to me
They are very misled and they choose to be misled. Glad some of us remember
You are misleading us high political intolerance it doesn't mean you must sell
You're right. As far as I can see the people who are doing the real selling out are these TH-cam celebrity revolutionaries who tell obvious lies. To them it's all about gaining likes and collecting followers to brag about. But I also suspect a more sinister agenda to confuse natives in SA by denying them a sense of heroism. In that way, the young will always doubt and denigrate themselves and their own people.
These guys are all talk....as if they are smart and everyone else is a fool. Ungrateful kids....EFF is incompetent and think they are the only ines with brains
The ANC is our country's greatest impediment...I wish more people would recognise that. You cannot uplift the poor with an economy that is flatlining. We need a growth rate above 4% per annum to make a dent in the status quo. The ANC can make all the promising they like, without a thriving economy, they are not viable.
So the eff will do that?
You talk as if these things were given at the very start. Growth is also hindered by crime in the neighborhood. Our country shouldn't be spending a lot on policing and wasting hospital resources by people who beat each in shebins.
Why do you talk as if there are no challenges in our country that are affecting growth.
Most of the challenges outside the government are what is costing the country, not the anc.
Look at how much eskom spends on cable theft and illigal connection. Is that the anc?
❤ EFF all the way, ballot 🗳️ 1, 2 & 3 👏🏽🎉🎈❤
Indeed
First Ballot :V
Second Ballot:B
Third ballot:S
@@sasha8664 you mean those that are arrested
This stance on Mandela is heartbreaking to hear, as a young black man. This brother talking on a broadcast show in South africa is due to the sacrifices of past generations...To call it "rubbish", whilst earning a SALARY from the parliament that was established by those efforts is the height of hypocracy and delusion. Im all for empowerment of our people and some of the tenants that the eff is trying to espouse(self sufficiency of Africans, self determinatio, etc).The issues we face today with high levels of inequality and poverty cant solely be attributed to one thing. There are many factors that we need to address, but disrespecting the bedrock/foundation on which we should be building is saddening
So IOW,you go along with deception of the highest order?The notion that anyone has to " get permission" to state their case,has long passed it sell-by date.And insofar as "disrespecting" ?Come on,wake up.What farce masquerading as "democratic" elections recently:now THAT is the height of disrespect to hard-working,long-suffering,taxpaying south ( note south,not South)Africans.
ALUTA CONTINUA.
I'm a black person I am my friends celebrate Mandela. We see him as one of the best leaders coming out of SA...without no vbs loot.
So according to you Floyd destroyed vbs??? Well I am a black person and many don’t celebrate Mandela you empty head. We just respect him that all, it doesn’t mean he didn’t compromise hence he said Aluta continua
....because you lack knowledge of Mandela, he sold his people out
He was a good leader but he compromised alot. But he had good intentions none the less.
Only fools like you who see Mandela like you say
@@levikalombo1630what was the gain for that compromise though. Peace and no civil war or sanctions which would further impoverish us blacks. The whites would have just left.
These entitled and ungrateful young ones whonhavemt done much to prove to us they are worthy . mandela spent more than 27 years in jail. So that these ones would not be farm workers now they have a big mouth. Sies
Back to square 1 with the EFF. Every black person must Vote EFF❤
Get rid of Malema, they have my support.
Yeah the results do say "back to square 1"😂😂
I definitely enjoying haters paying attention to eff😂😂😂😂
People must start learning and stop making emotional opinions, eff= academics
Why should anybody pay attention to a party that is losing support and has less than 10% of the votes ?
Definitely that is what I have been always thinking of having free access to universities even if you are not enrolled, just for enhancing our knowledge that can be progressive
Bro just to how life and walls are in universities, I mean we had dreams of studying but could not afford, now we are not allowed to find closure, EFF is us youth of SA, especially 80s
@@gatshenindlovu8224iyoooo😢 Ndlovu, I feel for the pain you tell particularly for people who have never been to University or a mere College..😢😢😢 but ANC doesn't give a damn of poor masses
I read the French revolution. I read the American revolution. I read the Nazi revolution. When the revolution was over. The was no hint of what oppressed them. We still have all the tools of the oppressors intact. Including the song they sang when they were doing the oppression
How old were you during this so called oppression? Did you also live in 1910 and in 1652 and in 12 05 ?
Today oppression is called modern slavery... We will only be free through economic freedom.
So you blame the failure of the ANC on 7 % of the population? If blacks were capable in Africa the continent would be thriving. Where is the black Sanlam, Discovery, Liberty Life, SA Breweries etc etc. over 30 years and you still have to take 51% of those businesses from white people who built those companies. Carry on blaming whites instead of building something of value for the people because it’s easy.
Yes but in Africa you can't compare, cause In Africa everyone wants everything for doing nothing
The Minister of finance in waiting
2024 is not different from 1994
People were negotiating for their stomachs now 2024 EFF leaders are negotiating for their stomachs too
And what brought you to that stupid conclusion?
Land is wealth if EFF can achieve that than hes the right 1
I want a wine farm!
@@H3321KG You will have to have fundings
Zim took the land and instead of working it they looted valuable things and left it like that
I thought i was the only one with such perception with Mandela, he even jumped the ship early because he knew as time goes people will realize compromise he made.
He was old and needed time with his family he was 70 something
In any negotiation , a compromise needs to be made. We enjoyed many benefits. If u wanted us to be like zimbabwe then move there and leave us with the compromise he made
Kanti what's the meaning of compromise?
When people say like Zimbabwe 🇿🇼, it's funny because Zimbabwe is owned and controlled by black people, most south africans live in houses made of plastics, you don't see white people living in such places, white people live is Santon.
The 2008 picture of Zimbabwe is different from the current picture of Zimbabwe today.
Mandela is my hero, he saved us from civil war, he saved millions of lives by making peace and to me the EFF want to see that peace return to war.
I would say the same if I were as privileged as you are, but I am not.
😂ok
Be quiet European.
@@0761ZoRO Yes, it is a privilege not to die in war
@@phillipblunt Your privilege shows, some people are leaving in war like poverty and crime (rape, murder , disease, hunger)
100 % agree with Floyd. A deal was made... The main stream media can push any narrative they want, and the bulk of the people will believe it. What about Chris Hani- why was he taken out? Could it be that he was one of natural successors to Mandela- could it be that he had ideas on SA's resources that could benefit the people rather than the few rich people.
My heart will always be with the ANC!!
I agree with DP codesa and truth and reconciliation were rubbish and we forgive and forget without justice and now we getting injustice from apartheid europeans, Viva EFF ❤
Mandela's Era should be taken as the first step to freedom,don't criticise the man .The struggle continues.
You talk like this because of what president Mandela and his group managed to achieve. Militarily, there was no way blacks were going to win. Is like thinking that palestinians should fight with Israel militarily today. EFF has done nothing for this country so far, but you talk like you have done a lot.
Thabo Mbeki began meeting with the Afrikaner Broederbond in the late 1970's, early 1980's. There was a meeting held in 1987, in Lusaka, between the ANC, led by Thabo Mbeki, with the Afrikaners. Businessmen & Politicians. In that meeting, the future of Zuid-Afrika was decided, signed & sealed. By the time the parties sat for Codesa, everything had already been decided. That's why Chris Hani, Azapo & the PAC walked out of Codesa.
We need access to education. Tertiary education. So that we can read & learn. & Analyze real Politik from a very informed & Progressive point of Departure.
What's the source of your information?
@sibongisenikhumalo8198 I'm surprised you don't know this. It's in the public domain. Anyway. Start with a book by Stephen Ellis. Entitled "External Mission. The ANC in Exile: 1960 - 1990"
We ought to revisit the negotiations, there is no two ways about it.😊
CIC said “we are not calling for the killing of white people - at least for now.”
that day is coming! viva EFF!!
Lol kwere,you must negotiate there by Mozambique😂
@@sasha8664 yes, but one problem at a time. We are in SA at this moment.
I want a Ferari. No, correction, i demand it!
Nobody saw any flaws with it, including the late Nelson Mandela.Now because you want to break the law, you see wrongs with it.
people who saw the flaws and raised them were killed, do more research after today before you talk.
@@Filiopietistic2762 But Zuma had a good chance to amend it during his two terms in the office
It starts with the Freedom Charter, CODESA was just a sequel of it.
Be patient in building EFF Floyd and impatient in gaining and applying knowledge! You may not live to see the fruits of the ideology but the coming generations just may! Viva
Codesa was not a sell out project. Poorly funded SA liberation movements were against one of the best military in the world SANDF. To win against was impossible, this the need to create win win situation. Winner take all approaches don't work.
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Hey dont understand they think like the masses. Good foe them
We r not blaming Tata
Just keep quite
EF is trying out the Moses Manoeuvre!
Question:
Why did Moses, of the Bible, lead the Israelites for 40 years through the barren desert?
Whereas the distance between Egypt and Palestine can be travelled in only 2 weeks?
Answer:
Moses wanted to be IN CONTROLL!
Explanation:
Moses knew the desert conditions so well that he, as leader, could 'call the shots' and the Israelites obeyed him.
He realised that he would lose controll as soon as the group entered the fertile 'promised land' of which he knew nothing!
To remain in controll he deceived the group and kept them 'captured' in the barren desert for 40 years!
Malema, and many other African 'strugglers' are emulating Moses.
They keep their naive followers 'captured' in the 'liberation struggle' ... only for themselves, to stay in controll.
Mugabe and his comrades, kept Zimbabwe in the 'desert' of violence, poverty and starvation from 2080 untill 2024 ... to satisfy their own 'lust for power'.
In SA the ANC did the same ... they kept SA in the desert' of racial conflict, violence, poverty and starvation for 30 years.
Zuma got away with the 'Moses manoeuvre' in 2009 ... and is now trying to 'pull' the same trick on the unsuspecting, naive voters.
Just imagine where South Africa could have been NOW if we skipped the past 30 'lost', struggle years by electing leaders that know how to govern the 'promised land' of democratic South Africa?
Let's get rid of the backward 'strugglers' ... or they will keep SA in the 'desert' for another 30 years.
That's nonsense. We can see you, the man with a Ukrainian flag for profile picture. Always delusional. American sanctions ruined Zimbabwe.
What utter nonsense....just leave Zbwe outta this...we are fine as it is...just deal with your politics ...RAINBOW NATION! Isnt I us Zbwns who told you repeatedly something that you always denied...there is no black on the rainbow...
Give back the money you STOLE from VBS!
Stokvel money of 'gô-gô's' ... that you stole!
Prepare yourself for jail!
Where's the school that you promised to build many years ago!
POVERTY = OVER POPULATION
China stopped poverty with a ONE CHILD per woman policy for 40 years!
Learn from the Chinese?
Codesa and Anc was all about Mandela niyalisukela ixhego. Malema and floid they tend to forget that ANC was never communist organisation then their policy towards economy was not socialist, it was African capitalist economy
Ditto
The same ANC that adopted the freedom charter that says "the land belongs to all who live in it" while the other guys just came and dispossessed the natives of their ancestral land very rich!
Clowns to left,jokers to the right.. ???😂😂
Was a first time voter on the 29th May 2024 and i voted the EFF, I grew up under my Apla veteran brother's teachings, of communism ideology and policies. I went there to vote very aware and having a deep insightful, of what i was doing and why. Im happy that i voted at the right time and age.
We need minds like Floyd to govern us as Africans, it's unfortunate how South Africans don't appreciate or realize how lucky they are to have such individuals to vote for.
We saw what happened to Zimbabwe, and we are good😊😊😊
Floyd hates the Whiteman, yet he studies in the white run universities.
Why dont he go to university of limpopo or university of Harare. Where is the black African pride???
EFF-We need free education
How much do you pay for your children's education?
We need state owned enterprises (mines, banks and others) that will benefit everyone irregardless of their skin colour
Paid by who?
Eff stands for Everything For Free.
Be careful with who is educating you..mostly education is just dressed up neo-colonial indoctrination.
Floyd is the guy who stood up in parliament and said we want SA to be like Cuba.
Go there and see for yourself.
Don't be lazy to do research Cuba has sanctions coz it doesn't want to be controlled..
* Cuba is a bad bad bad place*
Cuba is under an illegal blockade, yes?
There is context and nuance… he said to be like Cuba in what sense? Education wise? Cuba is ranked
* UNESCO: Youth Literacy Rate, ranked 6 out of 168 countries
* UNESCO: Adult Literacy Rate, ranked 7 out of 171 countries
* UNESCO: Elderly Literacy Rate, ranked 9 out of 168 countries
* World bank: Quality of education, ranked 1 out of 18 Latin American and Caribbean countries
Health care wise
* World Bank: Mortality Rate Under 5, ranked 40 out of 215 countries.
* World Health Organization: Life expectancy, ranked 33 of 184 countries
According to the BMJ & other reputable sources Cuba has an average of 9 doctors and 9 nurses per 1,000 inhabitants. It has the most doctors-to-population ratio, exceeding the WHO's ideal physician-to-population ratio of 2.5 doctors per 1000. Their medical schools are world class. According to the BMA the average number of doctors per 1,000 people in OECD EU nations is 3.7, but England has just 2.9. And USA has 2.6 per, China 2.4 and the world’s largest democracy India has 0.9.
Cuba is today one of the best equipped nations in the world in this sector. Thousands of Cuban doctors work in healthcare missions around the world.
Cuba is under sanctions.... Which party are you supporting?
I Salute you Floyd. Viva economic freedom Viva....❤
True, I don't even do that 18m for Mandela, why should I do something for that man or on his behalf. I must do it for myself, my ancestors and my future generations. ANC needs to self correct, unions needs to work for workers not to collide with employers, this three pot systems which worker wants gvt or any institution to keep their money on a vested pot, and not grow, but when you finally have to get that money you have to pay tax, that's crap gvt, unions, insurance institutions and employers are dishing us
He wants us to be like Cuba, look at Cuba
100 % literacy, more doctors than they can employ, the only reason Cuba is not a better economic performer is the eternal sanctions USA has put on them,and the constant undermine from disgruntled Cuban exiles in America.
The knowledge here is far above and inspiring.Real Fighters ✊✊
Zuma...The last man standing.
It's not about Zuma it's about Us being sold out to the dark Occultist....dark forces ( The bellabellaz) bills
Evil is running Amok....Our problem are with nice ppl who don't what participate saying I'm ok with my big house and cars...while Evil run wild....
I salute you
I am confused...what difference will it make to my brothers and sisters lives by removing a section of the national anthem? The stem does not bother me.
Floyd Shivambu is very fonny, he was a Senior Member of the ANCYL to a point where he was their National Spokesperson knowing all that he is saying here. Very fonny Floyd Shivambu.
No, we don't celebrate Mandela he's a liar (as usual)
We celebrate hard working successfull people who have integrity. Integrity is a forgotten word not mentioned in black cultures.
Well said
These leaders are waging wars😭😭😭😭
If you like the idea of living in a failed state, vote ANC, EFF, or MK. If you like the idea of eradicating corruption, crime, and poverty, as well as building a resilient and high-performaning economy (the best on the continent), then put your faith in a credible opposition party or independent. The MPC has enormous potential to right the ship.
The MP what???😂😂😂😂
Imagine a high education qualification matric as a leader, hair business guru, pastor, traditional leaders mentality ganging up to change something 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Welele..
Well said
Floyd is a true militant of the down trodden. His deliberation on the EFF principles is so unwavering.
let's go out and vote the only economic emancipation movement🖤💚❤
ZIYANYANYISA EZINTWANA ZE EFF ZIZENZA NGCONO NGOMADIBA. THAT IS WHY THEY FAILED DISMALLY DURING ELECTIONS
Peace time heroes... bafuni limelight qha... dika
Thank you Floyd.....you are so CLEVA!!!!!
Why is he not the President 😢
Am black and i will always celebrate Nelson Mandela. What is he talking about?
When Codesa was adopted, they were in ANC Youth League, praising the corrupt ANC
Domkop they were not.. and you must know you history.
Thats not true..
Go and continue drinking black or savanna.There you qualify unequivocally.
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They could not have been more than 10 years around '92
Education is Fashionable here.Salute EFF.
My beloved deputy president with Superior logic.
We also believe that madiba selling us .
The Minister of finance in waiting
😝😝😝🙈Ngaze ngahleka 😂
Absolutely
Some south africans are unfair in their statement thats why the EFF will continue facing down fall.
South Africa is big to follow the Zimbabwe way of no compensation. South African
Government to buy this land and give it free to potential blacks inorder to avoid some economic shocks.
"Mayweather" is making "Solomon's" father very uncomfortable perhaps he being overly mindful of his patron's guidelines...the situation with South Africa is not unlike any of "former" ..now independent (?) Foreign owned corporate states ..whether they be in Africa..Asia..the Caribbean or anywhere else..local "managers"..i.e. go-fors were maneuvered into place amidst the loud din of music and celebrations..while "international"..European institutions were constructed..in sport..politics..religion..finance..to control and direct the conduct of these so-called independent entities.
Ill vote for eff when you become President Mr Shibambu.... Dont sell us to kingpings please
Yes Codesa agreements were rubbish
Yes rubbish but a stepping stone that ANC could not remove after crossing the waters so that the white monopoly capitalists cannot us it. They never change the constitution when they could. Now they cannot firm a parliament. Who is rubbish Codesa or ANC?
Mangope was also rejected for rejecting the codesa agreement
I can see they don't have an idea of what these Mandelas went through
ANC+ EFF + MK with Naledi pandor as president 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
The National Anthem was forced into us.
Is only universities in south Africa where you not allowed to Learn
John we DA, could not be a part of this educational convo
Sometimes when you have cash, you can have some people do the writing for you. But without cash, you suffer alone, and it's a very painful journey.
Why is this guy not the president of EFF 😮💨
He talks as if the Boers (National Party) had zero bargaining power or leverage during those talks 🙄 He speaks his ignorance with convincing confidence.
Don't let them confuse the situation, vote EFF for your own future African child.
EFF voters really are the most ignorant people to ever have lived in this country.
He got caught stealing and he still has the nerve to pretend to care about South Africans and Africans
Why he's not arrested?
Stop being dilutional read do research don't rely on circulating propaganda clips.
Kagiso why are you lying he was cought by who, when, do not confuse accusations as a smere campaign with real facts were ANC members were arrested and still in court for what you are lying about
Do you think there is a possibility of a person most hated by the ruling establishment to be caught stealing and not be put under the jail?
@@sifx.z1524 good point. They would make a meal of him and have him for supper.
If you compare china with south africa ...than you must compare it with everything
Than you will back track on your comparision
We wont take land like Zbwe ..they destroyed their own economy...& when we said its not us but the sanctions...we were mocked...now you seem to agree that our Mugabe was the best...and you now doubt the wisdom of Mandela...you now have Msholozi...embrace him & let him guide EFF
Any criticism of the negotiations should be viewed against the background of the political violence and the right wing backlash in the 90s. It's easier for the yonger generation of politicians to criticise as if they would have done better.
Ipast ipast sikhathele ukuziba ngabanye .iEff ayikho ndawo baqhuba inzondo yabelungu Umgabe wayenenhlamba iphi iZimbabwe
Famous politicians in SA should know - u can be a super hero today + a zero the next day.
Mandela was a saint since his verdict, a demi-god + father of the nation when released, black ppl ditched him, to be white ppls best friend. Majority of whites never saw him as their best friend.
Mbeki was ousted after just 4 yrs. The same with Zooma +Rama.
The moral of the story is, political fame + fortune can last for many yrs + that can change in an eye wink.
What kind of material do I need to have to study the multi dimensional expressions of poverty? Please Advise
The eff is disappointing by letting them being left out of the present GMU.. do you still want to shout your way around to achieve changes and progress
Floyd Shivambu, the heart and soul of the EFF. Him and Julius are very complimentary.
I hope none of them both catch the evil demon of outshining each other.
Salutation Dp
This guy was born 1983 . Joker don't know about struggle, you were struggling to ride a biike in the 90s wena.
Wena unemali yezalukazi kwawa ibank labantu abamnyama ngawe yikho ningavotelwa
Please tell me one thing that EFF has done for South Africa besides break down.
Go eff go
Nicely SUMMARISED, excuse me while I check the recent polls. I also feel like registering for a Masters thingie; which is totally not celebrated by white coloniialists.
8:39 Why do you want China in SA ? Do you want another Zimbabwe.?
These guys like Malema and Shivambu are funny to me because they are do quick to disrespect Mandela and ANC. They forget under what condition these deals were made. They think that they would have done better, they forget who made it even possible for them to able to insult their elders like that. But now is their turn let us see how they do! But what i have seen from them is to instigate the poor to make the area where the black live to be even more unbearable with these land invasions. And mind you these are already black areas where they are conducting these land invasions not the white areas, the people they say has all the land.
They rule and reign at such a cozy time and still fail to be honorable. Vbs looting and all the nonsense they did in lumpopo. Bridges that didnt hold. The nerve to insult mandela they will never be anything close to him. A true leader a father. Cant take these boys seriously
Floyd is so sharp
Only in your evil mind people are not united.
❤EFF🗳️❤️
You were part of the ANC in those days of codes .Why didn't reject it when we were very active in those days.
This guy interviewing Floyd is clowning fellow for such serious conversation
When stupidity follows you into leadership position!! South African democracy was achieved through a negotiated settlement. A clause about two thirds majority was wisely added into the agreement in order to change whatever was unfavourable to the majority at later stage. This opportunity arose during Mbeki's second term, but he instead of using it as expected, to adjust the constitution he concerned himself with African renaissance. Neccessary changes were never made and that was a lost opportunity for the majority. I'll stop here for people to go conduct further research. The point is that Mandela didn't have that level of power to change the constitution and needless to say he was too old after serving 27 years in prison. Either Floyd is ignorant or is just deliberately playing dumb
Come on guys - under 10% !!!!) Get a job, do something productive. You will not be around much longer.