Doctor Who: Upgrading The Cybermen | Video Essay
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- The Cybermen are among the most iconic villains in The Doctor's rogues gallery. And yet, across the revived series, they are often playing second fiddle to a different antagonist. Is it time The Cybermen had an upgrade?
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This man predicted the series 12 finale
And all the other times they didn’t play second fiddle to another villain.
@@Shadowkey392 And it's the same one for the THIRD time after setting them up to be the big bad whilst also juggling a tonne of story threads.
Also, Cyber Lord is a Better name than Cyber Masters
Unfortunately the Cyber Time Lords, did absolutely nothing. Quite literally just stood there while the Master did cheesy badly paced talking.
It's genuinely impressive how so many great ideas can be smushed together into a big, messy pile of garbage
Yeah, He did. I noticed that while looking back through his videos. I thought, "gee he was on the mark there!"
The Bill/Rise of the Mondasian Cybermen is the most disturbing cyberman episode I've seen. Seeing the 'evolution' of them and the ones in the hospital shaking and saying "Pain! Pain! Pain!" only to have their voices muted bc no one wants to hear it or seems to care. Truly frightening!
Kill meeeee, kill meeeeee, kill meeeee
@@LukasOfTheLight I think people were complaining more about 'the doctor falls' than 'world enough and time'
@@LukasOfTheLight Alright i guess
It absolutely terrifies me!
I love that episode and the cybermen but i trully despise bill as a companion i just find her whole character as grating and boring
I feel that 'World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls' was the one story in Modern Who where the Cybermen were done right and lived up to their true potential. The first part explored the disturbing body horror aspect while the second part explored their unrelenting and never-ending nature. Yes, there maybe were other things going on but that was because it was Capaldi's last stand so of course it would focus on other elements besides them. Plus, I thought it felt more like a Cybermen story than a Master story since the threat of the Cybermen looms over whilst the two Masters are just mere supporting players.
Rise of the cybermen/age of steel has them KILL humans instead of upgrade them. Giving them a one-word catchphrase was a bad idea - unless delete became deleting the personality of the target, making them a mindless drone, free to upgrade
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@@theeorigin4651 We wiill surviiiive
They done a Spider-man 3 on it though and tried to make it a Master/Missy story too. There should only be one villain as when The Master/Missy come along its like they're the real bad guys and the Cybermen are just things that shoot you. I liked it a lot but I think it could have been a lot better. I wish they didn't have the Cybermen advance to the modern versions by the end either.
you pointed out my one frustration with the series 12 finale. the cybermen finally had this amazing story and i was loving it, and then the master came and highjacked it and the cybermen just became footsoldiers for the master again :(
It's irony since Missy created Cybermen for the Doctor
Where the Master created Cybermen against the Doctor.
The cyber men are such a gorgeous original sci-fi idea that adapts so beautifully to each generation that I can’t help but view them as my favourite while still being incredibly underwhelmed by how they are portrayed now.
gorgeous is such a stubagful word. That as well as "I adore"
Sebastian G. Haha that’s a very good point! I do watch the majority of his content so maybe I picked up a few of his mannerisms ;)
@@MrAllallalla i adore this gorgeous comment
I have mixed feelings on this.
The Cybermen *were* an original idea in the 1960s. But I do feel nowadays that the philosophical ideas of transhumanism have been pretty thoroughly explored in fiction over the last fifty years, indeed we're now getting to the point where those same ideas are crossing over from the "fi" to the "sci", in that people are increasingly treating it as a relevant real-world issue in our actually existing future, rather than a mildly diverting what-if thought experiment about some hypothetical world.
Maybe I'm just not imaginitive enough to think of fresh, interesting angles to approach the central idea from. I think the idea alluded to in the video, that upgrading could become a form of rescue for our species in a dystopian future, is relatively unexplored next to the classic "humans enslaved by their own machines" trope. It's always in the bad times that people turn to previously unthinkable options. Make that episode, someone.
I like how they gave Cybermen super speed and then immediately got rid of it once they realized how powerful it made them
Yeah those Cybus conversion chambers traumatised me. Every time I see a clip from rise of the cybermen or age of steel, my heart rate goes up. Good job Russel T Davis
Deranged Tangerine as a ten year old I was absolutely traumatised by the scenes especially the first one with that lion sweeps tonight music playing
Jesus Christ do I want to see Asylum of the Cybermen now.
Cameron Joseph Videos would it be like Asylum of the Dales where it is one unstoppable force against a whole bunch of people who mostly die
@@epicgamertimes6773 When does that happen in Asylum of the Daleks. Literally only one person dies in that story.
Have a bunch of dead bodies with their brains chopped out lying around
could make a horrifying R rated spin off.
The Cybermen have great potential for body-horror, but they get a bit hamstrung with what they can get away with showing.
A reference to the for king and country perhaps?
I agree with you about Series 10 finale up to a point, I feel it strikes the balance between the many threads rather effectively and it is one of my favourite stories because of that. However, I recognise how frustrating it is when the episode shows such a chilling and profound understanding of the Cybermen, only to focus on other factors.
Great comment as always Joe! On rewatch I actually think it's entered my top 3 finales - the high concept of a blackhole spaceship is worth the entrance fee alone. My issue with it doesn't even impact my enjoyment of it, I just think of it more as a Master story rather than a Cyberman story. If I'm looking at it just for Cybermen it doesn't give me what I want but I agree it's great.
@@FullFatVideos To me the first half is a definite Cyberman story, it laser focuses on them and gets to the heart of the concept. The second half is both Master and 12th Doctor story.
I think the issue with the Cybermen in the finales of series 8 and 10 is that they're just tools to develop Missy and 12's relationship (which is fine because that is an incredible story) instead of villain's on their own while I agree the direction Moffat took them in was fantastic and long overdue it would have been great to get an episode like Dark water or World enough and time in an earlier series
I always thought Doctor Falls would have been way more interesting if Bill was seen in Cyberman form more often. I know her appearing as a human is important to her character, but it would have been cool, even if just for one or two scenes, to have her talking with the Doctor in her Cyberman form.
Zarbi Xii completely ruined it for me tbh. The most horrific element of cyber-conversion was removed, minimising the impact of her conversion at every term.
Watch how Bill post-conversion walks though, her steps are stiff and stompy, like a Cyberman's. I think it was a nice touch.
I figured it was just us experiencing how The Doctor saw her. He saw right through it and didn't even acknowledge the Cyberman exterior and connected directly with the human woman underneath. Because it was kind. If he looked at her differently, she would feel it, it would hurt her. So he just chose to see only Bill.
I thought it was nice.
I always thought the ending of "The Age of Steel" was really grim. Letting all those people realise who they are and what happened to them was horrifying. And I always thought The Doctor should have shown more emotion about it.
Ngl when the human cybermen of petes world see themselves and go insane it’s honestly the saddest scene in doctor who you see the whole race perish in pain just because they could see and feel who they’d become every cyber scream is just a person screaming themselves to death at the moment they saw they were stuck in a cold metal body that didn’t eat feel or breathe
Honestly, I had no clue Nardole was a Cyborg until you mentioned it...
Yeah, they really missed the opportunity there. Damn.
Watching this on the bus and there is a round blue night light behind me that reflected off my phone screen. My emotions and bowels are definitely working 😨🤖
That's crazy! I LITERALLY just finished watching your Peter quill video!
Yessss. I LOVE the Cybermen, probably my favourite Who villain. It sucks that they haven't had many great stories in New Who. Their concept is so tragic and terrifying at the same time.
I hadn’t thought about Nardole or Asylum being more suited to Cybermen good shout
I’d never even considered asylum of the cybermen before and now I can’t think about anything else.
I love World Enough and Time + The Doctor Falls. It’s a great watch and although you don’t see much of the humans before they’re converted, that scene in the hospital where the patients plead for their death to Bill really gives you the same feeling as the dying cyberman scene from Rise of the Cyberman/Age of Steel
Damn... I'm watching this on my phone too
You say, as if that matters at all
Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel reminds me a lot of MGS4 as in that soldiers get nanomachines that suppress the trauma of killing people and when it gets turned off at the end of the first chapter all the soldiers get overcome by grief and misery.
I wish The Doctor Falls was better, World Enough and Time was great imo and then it just fell flat. The same with all the Moffat finales.
this is why i want a full season where the cybermen are the primary antagonists
6:23, “...at every turn...” That was a nice touch, boys.
Forget just the Modern series, I feel like the latter half of the Classic series also utilized the Cybies incredibly poorly. I think, with the Chibnall era apparently going in a relatively more experimental direction, I think we need a straight up horror story with the Cybermen. Do something that’s scary *primarily,* like Blink.
I personally feel like the strongest showcase of the Cybermen as something genuinely horrifying is World Enough and Time. It was immediately undercut by The Doctor Falls making them featureless flunkies again.
I’d love to see something in the vein of “Dalek” or “Resolution”; revitalize the Cybermen by doing a story about *one.* ONE Cyberman, not even necessarily anything to do with an action plot.
Excellent point about Nardole, by the way. Such a waste to never capitalize on his cyborg nature in a Cyberman story.
Interested to see how a one cyberman story would work. I'd have thought that idea would better lend itself to a 'kill everything' villain like the Daleks
The whole point of the cybermen is they make you like them. Idk how you could only have one.
IamMrRand00m953 By putting them in a weak or vulnerable position where they’re unable to convert other people, easy. It’s been done a few times before (eg. “The Silver Turk”, a really good 8th Doctor audio story) and it’s worked pretty much every time.
Cyberwoman?
@@ender7278 Cyberwoman was absolute trash tho
I think a modern update, as you partly discussed, should focus on a heathy use of machines vs an obsession.
*" At every turn "*
*Shows Cyberman doing a 180 degree angle with it's head.*
I see what you did there.
Asylum of Insane Cybermen? Holy fuck that'd be terrifying.
I've always liked that no matter if The Doctor completely gets rid of the cybermen whether it be The Mondasians or Cybus Industries they'd always evolve back into existence as if humanities goal of forever improving is a curse and the result being the Cybermen being inevitable and the doctor just delays the inevitable
I found the Mondasian Cybermen chilling in Capaldi's last episodes. The patients in particular, an existence of "PAIN" as an upgrade really chilled me to the core.
My favourite Cybermen line, which reminds me of that famous line from the Controller in Tomb, is from Doomsday - "... Cybermen will remove fear, Cybermen will remove sex, and class, and colour, and creed, you will become identical, you will become like us."
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I really enjoy Series 10 and was so surprised that I've never even thought of the potential Nardole could have in the series finale. A brilliant point, and top video as always - keep it up lads
The issue the Cyberman have is fundamentally, they kind of always been the "Not-Daleks" Heck the only reason they got to have a heyday in Second Doctor's era was because they couldn't use the Daleks. And as much as people make a big deal of the converting as what makes them unique and the revived era lost that, even the classic series never used it much. It barely shows up in their golden age of Second Doctor. Of their four appearances "Tomb" is the only one to really focus on conversion and "Moonbase" and explicitly have them want to invade Earth for it's non-human resources. And then conversion doesn't come up again until "Attack" in the 80's! The series as a whole has never really figured out what to do with these guys. The best we've ever really done is use them to lend importance to an episode is, but at the same the Cybermen are not so important that the episode has to focus completely on them.
And then you get stuff like the comics where some writers does a: "what if they were the most bad-ass species?" Even though their other big thing is being on the verge of extinction, or thought extinct. With that theme showing up in some form in six of their nine classic series appearances.
Classic series cybermen were indeed more chilling, sneaky and stealthy. Then they just became another stompy robot. Even the new series Mondassian model didn’t escape deafening stomping hydraulics.
I like the story idea of humans willingly or enthusiastically becoming cybermen. Have no deception, cohersion, or delusion. Give the upgrading peoples a really compelling argument which is not a straw man and then see what the doctor does. Likely the enviroment challange already mentioned.
The idea that Chibnall would want to return anything to its roots is just comical
Rise of the cyberman/Age of Steel aged magnificently. It's like demolition man. They only got more relevant with time
cant wait to see what season 12 is doing with the cyberman seemingly as the main villain for the season
Nightmare in silver works that the human drive led them to wanting to be the most powerful they can be and they didn't stop, which is such a human concept, until they got it.
the cybermen of rtd era gave me nightmares - a week of sleepless nights after rise of steel/age of the cybermen, mostly involving myself and my family getting upgraded - but i absolutely loved how they were done
imagine orphan 55 but with cyberman instead that climate change and a resource war left the earth so bad people became cybermen think it would have been a far more chilling story
Although I agree with the whole, body horror, emotion issue aspect, I think the upgrade continually aspect is an incredibly likely and maybe obvious? conclusion.
I don't know how to change that being the case, but when they DON'T upgrade more than they have, it makes little sense to me. They either want upgrades or not. They can't think they're already perfect.
That being said I really like the Cyber Men, and the reveals and environment of the ending story there was pretty awesome.
I too agree that Clara should have been a Cyberman. It would have made much more sense. Good call.
I've got to say I really appreciate your doctor who videos. They're always good fun and interesting to watch
Man, I forgot that the ‘Nightmare in Silver’ Cybermen had hyper-speed
I always thought the writers struggled, particularly during the RTD era to construct stories around them beyond the typical 'Convert lots of people into Cybermen', they couldn't keep going back to that one story and seemingly found it impossible at first to think of anything else they could or would plausibly do.
Moffat's shift into making the Cybermen scary not because of what they were but what they could do (consistently upgrade and get stronger, utilise dead bodies) did make for some more interesting stories but it was the Series 12 finale that really finally brought a classic for the ages story involving the Cybermen.
"The Doctor Falls" has that one scene where the doctor shouts all his victories against the Cybermen as he blows them up. I think there's something very cool about that.
The Cybermen happen everywhere there's people, which make them an unstoppable CONCEPT than a race or species, meaning that they will never stop existing because they will appear and come about somewhere in the universe.
The doctor puts himself as the reason why they will never win, the man that stops the monsters. The one smarter than any cyber computer, who's selflessness and emotions that the Cybermen lack is what brings about his victory against them.
The Mondasian cybermen are the only Doctor Who monster which genuinely give me nightmares. I can't explain it but there is something so revolting about them. They are like zombies but worse. Reanimated corpses which don't realise they're dead. Idk.
I had a dream once of a fully fledged doctor who episode that doesn't exist. Took place on what essentially was a cyberman refugee vessel. One that contained the damaged and discarded cyberman that were left behind from the doctors various encounters with them. The vessel was taken over by an outdated cyber controller, who overpowered the cyber wardens that managed it with the help of the defective units.
Rise of the cyber men absolutely shat me up as a kid
Finally!
Other people besides me prefer the Cybermen as villains for the Doctor!
The Daleks are almost too cute. And the preponderance of LOUSY storylines (the Third Doctor did them NO FAVORS!) reduced their malevolence. THey had a brief rebound with Genesis of the Daleks but went back to being silly. That said, Daleks were best in the 1960s. I thought the Cybermen were best in the 1960s, too, but they still have that malevolence and creepiness cyborgs have always had for me.
9 had great Dalek stories too imho. I just love the concept of the Cybermen more
honestly the 'phones bad' message is pretty hackneyed. people used to draw cartoons depicting subway carriages full of people reading the newspaper, making exactly the same point as the current ones about phones
I've always thought that the cybermen are a much better villain then the daleks and I don't know why they've always seemed more interesting then the daleks and every time there's a new cybermen story it makes me happy as I would consider the cybermen my favourite villain of doctor who
As a Warhammer 40000 fan I love Nightmare In Silver. There’s so many parallels between the Necrons and Cybermen, once I got into 40K the cyber conversion factory from Rise of The Cybermen was how I pictured Necron Biotransferance. To me, Nightmare in Silver reads like the story of an Imperial Guard regiment accidentally awakening a tomb world, from their fatigues, to their lasguns, to using Exterminatus on the the planet for the sake of the greater human empire, the humans feel straight out of 40K. Likewise we see a full on necron style silver tide of near indestructible soulless former people who keep reanimating no matter how many are killed. It’s an incredible necron story, as far as human perspective ones go but I’ll certainly agree it’s no Cybermen story.
Watching this after The Haunting of Villa Diodati tells me that this fella half predicted Ascension of the Cybermen a year before it happened
I find Nightmare in Silver to be the episode that embraces what the Cybermen strive for, the rejection of all that makes a human, human. The end result of that is the elimination of humanity, and elimination of the need for a limited human body. The human body can only be "upgraded" so much before it ceases to be all together.
Deep breath should’ve been a cyber man story with that guy as the main villain just being a new kind of Cyberman.
I love your Doctor Who videos! Always informative and interesting. Much love from across the pond!
Anybody returning to this video after 12-8, spoilers
with Chibnal writing a half finished Cyberman that abandons it’s humanity to save what he considers his true race. Easily the second best episode of Chibnals era
Great video! You should do a video explaining more about the tombs and how the cybermen become withered and insane and also what the regular cybermen would do in that type of situation i'm referring to attack of the cybermen btw.
I had a pitch for a Doctor Who Story called Cold as Ice. It would be set in 1930's Siberia, and focus on a bunch of Cybermen who crashed in Russia, and converted dying workers out of 'pity', and now plan on using the resources to aid in prolonging Mondas' existence.
One of the best cyberman doco's I've seen.
But that funeral scene in The Next Doctor though...
The Cybermen are my alltime top favourite Dr Who villains and they are IMO the best ever recurring villains in Dr Who.
The mondasian cybermen has the best design of them all. Them looking like a human but not at all at the same time. It's so much better than a iron man suit. And with the human hands still being there is the best for me. Imagine getting choked by cold, human hands but looking into the eyes of a machine. Truly Chilling.
Asylum with Cybermen would have been so good. Moffat didn't understand Daleks, they would just destroy any that weren't pure; Cybermen could go insane.
I don't know if anybody's brought this up before but the Cybermen and Dalek have a similar background, they're both organic beings that merge with technology and are bent on universal Conquest while they see themselves superior to others, they're both recurring enemies of Doctor Who and sometimes fight them on Earth and try to take over Earth and enslave / exterminate the human race and that includes the Dalek like also trying to enslave the human race, they both seem to be devoid of emotion but they become angry. there are some key differences Cybermen want to convert everything into Cybermen, while the Dalek wants to exterminate everything that not Dalek / genetically pure Dalek
The cybermen are what we become when our desire to survive supercedes our desire to retain our humanity...
@Robin Gilliver you are already well on your way to becoming a machine....congratulations.
@Robin Gilliver klingons are fictional....humanity is real...and it is not a liberal term...it is a human term.
@Robin Gilliver perhaps you prefer the asinine term "people kind"
@Robin Gilliver what the hell...are you an unhinged leftist?
@Robin Gilliver its a natural trait of leftist...
What I really want is to see an evolution of them, over a few seasons, starting really human and as the seasons progress, them become more robot
Full Fat Videos: Blow up a planet? It is ridiculous!
Warhammer 40k Inquisitor: Beg you pardon?
As a big fan of transhumanism, I've always loved the cybermen as a great cautionary tale and this video gets spot on what I loved about the early reboot episodes growing up.
The Cybermen are still upgrading. Eventually, they'll get there.
Another awesome video guys, good to see great quality uploads in my sub box
Chris Chibnall wrote Cyberwoman, which does go into the tragedy of the Cybermen a little more, as Ianto tries in vain to salvage the woman he loves after she was partially upgraded, and it is the struggle to try and save her humanity, where she tries to process it, but cannot work beyond the cyberman programming taking over. In that story, she kills a man who tries to help her return to humanity, claiming that she wanted to repay him, and suggests transplanting her brain into Ianto's body, believing that to be what love is.
If Chris Chibnall does write a Cyberman centric story in the future, we have seen evidence he knows how to do a Cyberman episode and do it well.
I don't think Asylum of the Daleks would work with Cybermen since they would probably just try to repair them, but a 'Hospital of the Cybermen' with a similar premise would be quite good
I liked the sleeker Nightmare in Silver redesign over the Age of Steel aesthetic. But the Mondasian design is the best, for conveying everything the Cybermen idea represents.
I think it would've been cool to see an episode focused on a Cyberman civil war; where one faction is the classic Cybermen, obsessed with eliminating their humanity and individuality, while the other faction are Cybermen who embrace humanity and individualism, and consider their mechanical bodies nothing more than a shell to contain and preserve their unique human mind, no different to a biological body, except the materials it is made from.
My biggest issue with the concept of Cybermen has always been that they are depicted to represent the Evil of technological progress; but technology has always been used to improve human lives; progress is what allowed humans to distinguish themselves from other animals; the ability to create tools not only allowed us to survive, despite being physically inferior to almost every other animal, but even let us thrive and become the dominant life on Earth - and the continued advancement of technology has vastly improved our quality of life and extended our average lifespan throughout the centuries.
In a way, technology is the very thing that makes us human; it is the very thing that defines us, where other animals have claws and fangs and hardened shells or can run fast or be really strong, humans had the ability to make tools. All of human history is basically a series of technological upgrades.
A more nuanced take on the Cybermen, focusing both on how technology could run wild and how it could be a benefit, by seeing a schism among the Cybermen, would be the perfect way to really represent the double-edged nature of technology and show that technology itself is not inherently bad, as long as we remember to preserve what makes us human: Our spirit.
I think you managed to perfectly sum it up, and furthermore why, though I liked Asylum of the Daleks, it just didn't stick the way it should have; Cybermen would have been more appropriate.
Cyber men go from tragedy to the damn Borg.
Tbh, I thought cyberman were the worst during the Matt Smith era, but made me go HOLY SHIT WTF OH FUCK during the Peter Capaldi era.
Still terrifying. Remembering been so scared behind the lounge chair.
If you think about it those cyber men in the nightmare in silver episode knew that converting just humans was gonna be a problem due to them blowing them up all the time. So instead they decided and upgraded them selves to to where they can upgrade all organic material into their own kind to achieve this. Not only that but these new cyber men knew if they stayed in their previous forms they would have been destroyed. So these newer models to them were the more logical choice allowing themselves to become faster, stronger, and more resilient to any attack by upgrading themselves to become Immune to previous attacks used on them. In a way this makes them scarier in my opinion because they could only upgrade humans but now they have no limits in what they could upgrade. that means even the daleks are no longer safe from the cyber men due to them now having the ability to upgrade any organic matter into cyber men which includes them.
Damm, this video low-key predicted Ashad the Lone Cyberman.
I haven't really watched the show for ages but now I feel like I've gotta check out World Enough and Time.
I just re-read The Mondas Touch from the short story anthology Myths and Legends, and it's made me think again about the Nightmare in Silver Cybermen.
The Cybermen of The Mondas Touch are the same general species as the Nightmare in Silver Cybermen, going as far as to have similar super speed, and the Twelfth Doctor himself stating that he knows that the Cyberiad, at this point, is still weak to gold. What strikes me the most is that, although I feel mixed about the NiS Cybermen's powers, Richard Dinnick's writing in The Mondas Touch describes these Cybermen as "superhumans" and "supersoldiers", and, to be honest, I don't think I despise this, but kinda like it.
I think if the Nightmare in Silver Cybermen still had a fundamental weakness or two that they couldn't overcome, then they would be a lot better. For reference, the Cybermen of UNIT: Cyber-Reality (my favourite Cybermen ever) are basically an empire of super-soldiers that spans multiple universes, but their sheer numbers and extreme abilities (particularly, having an impossibly vast info-network that lets them download and install countless different weapon / defence upgrades and updates on priority targets) mean they need extraordinarily vast power sources to maintain themselves (they use the worlds they conquer as "batteries", kinda like in The Matrix). This also makes them particularly vulnerable when they've just crossed into a new universe - until they secure a planetary foothold, all their power is coming through a single portal to another universe. Shut down the portal, and all the Cybermen in the new universe deactivate (we don't know how long they can go without power for, though).
If the NiS Cybermen just had some kind of key weakness that wasn't just "nuke the planet", I'd probably love them.
They need to show that they are still human, show upgrade process and slow it down, like Borg in star trek... you see drones walking from room to room to get next part attached to them.
Imagine horror of seeing person going into a surgery against it's will and exiting with robot legs, then walks to next room for optical upgrade etc
Its so true about the Mobile Phone bit. I find it disturbing, that people are glued to them like....Zombies. Being normal and social is now somewhat impossible. Its like they are emotionless, they might as well be Cybermen or Androids.
The master, twice............trice.
Can We all agree that the borgs and the cybermens are the same creature.
With Asylum of the Cybermen I think you just fixed 99% of what was wrong in that episode!
About a episode where cyber-men try to reverse they conditions. But in the worst way possible.
Tourchwood did attempt something like this topic (cyberwomen)
The Tomb of the Cybermen was the first classic Doctor Who serial I watched. It's certainly responsible for my love of the classic years. They didn't have a big budget or access to the special effects of today but they still created some of the most iconic monsters in Doctor Who history.
The way the Doctor manipulates the entire event so he can permanently seal them away is amazing. Sure, the brotherhood of logicians is a bit camp, but it's all good fun. The tomb awakening scene is so well done for the time and the movement of the actors is genuinely creepy.
Full Fat Videos I'm going to have to watch it again over the weekend, it's one of my top 5 classic Doctor Who serials. Plus this time next week The Macra Terror will be part of my collection.
I never likes their used of nano machines as a neans of conversion. I feel it softens the body horror aspect far too much which I feel is a very important aspect. Hence why 'World Enough and Time' is my favourite story for them in the new series.
So having micro machines forcibly altering your body chemistry and makeup down to the cellular level while you are aware and in pain the entire time is not body horror enough for you?
Nightmare In Silver always bugged me because as I watched it my inner sci-fi geek was screaming about how much the story was turning the Cybermen into The Borg from Star Trek.
They are similar yes, but they are also not the same.
Taking the ability to use any organic material to produce Cybermen, the ability to instantly upgrade or rather adapt to incoming attacks and even having a central control figure not unlike a king or queen from The Borg is not only not very original or creative but it it fundamentally cracks what makes the Cybermen so thought provoking as villains. They are like us.
The Borg work for Star Trek because it is the antithesis of Starfleet, they are the ultimate obstacle that our characters have to overcome as their every strength becomes a weakness against The Borg.
The Cybermen are not that. They much more introspective for the audience and therefore more creepy in my opinion. It’s the moral dilemma of what humanity is prepared to do for survival. It’s smack dab in the middle of the uncanny valley of horror. It is disturbing close to OUR way of live and this leaves you in fear not of when you next encounter them, but when you’re own people decide to take the same path. Whereas The Borg are an almost Lovecraftian horror from a place we don’t understand that is a relentless beast to beaten back at all costs.
Everyone gangsta till the upgrade is upgraded
rise of the cybermen was the first doctor who episode i saw, and i still have nightmares about it. now im not a ride or die fan, but the scene where the citizens are forcibly transformed into cybermen is haunting to me.
I never realised Lumic was Trigger from Only Fools and Horses.
This reminds me of a theme I've seen pop up in Shed 17, Project G-1 and Meta Runner. The idea that if you upgrade yourself you're not a person anymore, you're property.
It is sad that the Cybermen have ever so few episodes in the entire series and they usually appear as a "side villain" as like to call them and they are usually fighting with Daleks and yes I know that they have few episodes of their own, but there's only a handful of them that focuses on the cybermen and their intentions as a villain,
Taking inspiration from the torchwood episode cyberwoman I feel that the bogged surgery can be from when the doctor stops the cyber men all the infrastructure grounds to a halt people still in the conversation chambers. After the doctor leaves, the residents go to reclaim the factory but find loved ones or people who they know and attempt to care for them, hiding them from site due to the bad blood between the living and the converted.