The World of Forgotten Doom Clones
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Doom Clones have been around and a phrase for over 30 years. From old PCs, to consoles, your Nintendo Switches and PlayStations it don't MATTER, in the 90s you couldn't escape Boomer Shooters. It may not be used as a moniker as much these days but I just can't believe I didn't tackle this one sooner.
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0:00 - Intro (Why was everything called a Doom Clone?)
03:42 - Wolfenstein 3D and Pre-Doom Games
06:25 - Rise of the Triad
08:57 - The Usual Suspects (Hexen, Marathon, DUKE)
11:32 - GLOOM
12:33 - Feeling PO'ED
14:37 - Powerslave Exhumed
17:18 - Terrible Games
25:27 - The Fortress of Dr Radiaki (Skip if Motion Sick)
29:18 - Lesser Known Rapidfire
34:31 - Star Wars Dark Forces
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What was the first Doom Clone you played? ALSO, what's one that I missed? I was hoping to find more dollar store shareware here but the vat of this is so large I couldn't go any deeper. Lemme know what y'all got!
Chex Quest.
I had a Mac before Doom was released on it, so other than Wolf 3D my first FPS was a game called Marathon: Durandal, which I think was a sequel and it came with the first for free. It's from a sci fi space book I had not heard of at the time, and it was incomprehensible to me. Both were pretty terrible gameplay wise in comparison, but they did beat Zero Tolerance on the Genesis. Needless to say, I was very glad when they finally ported Doom to the Macintosh. Lol oh wow there it is. I didn't think anyone remembered.
That stuff is jenky
PLAY PRODEUS! It's so good!
Dude try Fashion Police Squad!
I haven't forgotten Chex Quest. I will *never* forget Chex Quest.
Yeh fr nobody forgot these. If you got even a mild interest in OG doom wads/mods and ‘clones’ these are v well known. This dude just a cheesy head that treads paths well worn
Its really not a Doom clone. they were given the Doom source code to make the game, kinda like how Id gave WisdomTree the Wolfenstein source code to make Super Noah's Ark.
@@lutherheggs451doesnt that make it even more of a clone
@@patrickbyrne5070its called TH-cam click bait 🤷♂️
That's the doom I grew up with until a friend showed me Duke Nukem and then I rented Dark Forces on PS1
Every time Capstone is mentioned, prisoner number 11 feels a shiver down his spine
"The pinnacle of f*ck it"
I came here to say that this entire thing feels like it's pulling from the records of the Department of Special Corrections..
Love it 😂
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I recently finished a playthrough of Outlaws and can confirm that it's an awesome game. Had me saying "WHERE ARE YOU MARSHALL?" for weeks. The Soundtrack is also killer.
Lol. A sound bite also burned into my brain too
Scarfulhu did an amazing video on it
omg serpentine video entertainment 😂😅😂🤣😅😂 man I'm crying laughing nobody
the soundtrack is so good, clint bajakian is tremendously underrated
My bonnie lies over the ocean...
going from Powerslave to Capstone is a sick twisted level of genius
Yeah it's kind of hard to compare Powerslave to the Pinnacle of Computer Entertainment Software.
outrageus you forgot Super Noah's Ark 3d
That's more Wolfenstein 3D with all the violence and Nasis removed.
There's also 1996's Japanese PS1 exclusive, Expert. Think Wolfenstein 3D meets Die Hard plus anime influences.
You mean Super 3d Noah's Ark, right?
@@Gruntvcno one needs the anime references cornball
@@ramrodbldm9876you *do* realize what channel we're on, right?
The biggest difference in the structure of Doom and Wolf 3D was that Wolf was locked to a grid. Every square was either empty space, a wall, a door, a guard, food, etc, but it was all laid out on that grid in the level creator. Doom had angles, and you could create far more interesting level designs with free tools available, by drawing lines in any direction on that grid and then defining the textures and effects of the boundaries and spaces. The biggest limitation then was that you couldn't put any room atop another, it all had to lay out flat. That, combined with more varied monsters and a few more weapons, was the big change that made Doom take off like it did, and where Wolf felt like 'just another game'.
It was also completely 2d, as opposed to doom's 2.5d
@@st.haborym Good point.
@@st.haborym define 2.5d
@@st.haborym DOOM was 3D. It would be more proper to call wolf 2.5D
Wait, Austin talking about boomshooters? Hoo boy. Now welcome to the dungeon, kids!
They're not boomer shooters, people need to stop calling them that god damned word....Boomer is lazy speak from Zoomers for Baby Boomers, video games didn't exist when Baby Boomers were young....They come from the Gen X generation, if anything they would be Gen X shooters. At best they're just old school shooters.
@@lutherheggs451what a boomie thing to say
@@lutherheggs451 Dude, it's not only what they are literally called by fans of the genre but it's a term of endearment.
@lutherheggs451 OK boomer.
@@lutherheggs451 Okay boomer
I remember a widely used term being "Corridor Shooter". No one seems to remember it.
Yup. I remember. But I was 8 when Doom came out and played tf out of W3D even before that so….
We’re old bro
Gotta say it’s kinda bizarre for a nearly 40 yr old man still being able to f peoples up at FPS games. Get gud kids.
I remember the corridor shooter term.
Yes I hate the term BOOMER though.
@@patrickbyrne5070 I was 10 when doom came out never played it until 14 or so had a blast playing it.
I have not forgotten P.O.'ed. I had to look it up to not forget it many eons ago because I was thinking to myself "what was that one game I think we(?) rented or something from blockbuster that had the chef flying around in space shooting things?" It's such a weird early young memory for my ps1 because idk how it was rented. I was still very young and I don't think anyone who could legally get it would have played it or touched my ps1, but I distinctly remember it.
I will not forget. If I ever do... man, I'd be pretty P.O.'ed about it.
Well, you're gonna love the remaster then!
Alien Trilogy was my favorite doom clone.
I can’t wait for each of the first 5 Dragon Quest to get their own video. Like I’m sure that 70% of JRPGs are just Dragon Quest 2 clones with pre-established characters finding each other as the game progresses.
You had me at William Shatner's TekWar on the thumbnail
My brother and I grew up with TekWar and treated it like Doom much to Shatner’s frustration every level 😂 but we eventually watched the whole TekWar series and TekWar movies on TH-cam. Somehow I will never forget Marty Dollar now 😂
Never played the actual game, but the demo got so much time.
I was 11 when Doom dropped, and the clones were less called "clones" in the press and more called "Doom-like games". The box for that Sega game Zero Tolerance even had it right on there!
Was that friggin Rosie O'Donnell's face on the Gloom 3 boss?!
Zero Tolerance was a glorious mess. I just loved the idea of having a Doom on my Sega.
Was looking for mention of zero tolerance, it was a really good game
Austin with a full beard = Ultimate Final Form
new year new me
@@austineruptionLast bearded guy i saw got in trouble over charity money.
Next Final Final Form; Kratos Eruption
Beards are weird.
After playing Doom, Duke, ROT, Heretic, and Hexen in the school tech lab at lunch, I'd go home and play the Marathon games on My Mac. As was the style at the time.
Ah yes Gloom the best doom clone
There's some immaculate timing about me getting a Marathon kick lately between the lore videos and replaying the classics, and Austin drops a video that features Marathon
(Also the news dropping today about the new game but... I'd rather not think about that)
I was so disappointed by it im reaching the point of just saying “fuck it” n making my own
Now i need Austin to make a video about DOOM Mods, i want to know what fan creations he will find himself!
Shoutouts to Marathon for being the exact opposite of Doom in terms of storyline; where id and especially Carmack basically went "Yeah the story's there but you're here for the gameplay, so here's a shotgun, go wild", the blokes over at Bungie basically made an entire sci fi doorstopper novel for a series which pros' favorite pastime is running around and beating switches and every single living being with their bare hands. On the hardest difficulty.
I love Marathon.
Yeah, suffering through Marathon's terrible story made me realise how correct John Carmack was.
@@saltysumo7991 Eh, they do get very silly at times, and that's an understatement. I still genuinely love the game though.
❤ Shadow Warrior 😅
You know your game is awesome when people 25 years later become offended
@@saschaberger3212 Duke Nukem
Used to play LAN games with my upstairs neighbour using a coax cable out the window.
Several of these games got lots of play. Doom, Duke Nukem, Blood, Dark Forces, and Shadow Warrior.
Granted, when the original Half Life came out, everything was out to the side.
As an Amiga owner in 1995, I feel too few people appreciate how big a deal Doom: But On The Amiga was. There were dozens of them, all built for a computer that was just not made for playing this type of game. But so many coders tried, bless 'em.
Even before clicking on this video I was like "I bet he's gonna mention William Shatners Tek War". Pretty hyped for the new Marathon but I'm pretty nervous about it being any good especially with how Bungie has been the past few months
I never even heard of Tek War. I haven't even heard of a lot of these games.
@@Midala87 right after the 2016 doom trailer came out I went and played the original Doom games. Messed with making Minecraft texture packs and stuff for years always wanted to get into Doom cause I know I'd have more freedom to make what I want. Got really obsessed with doom and now I know way too much about it and it's history. If you ever wanna learn about Doom and Doom clones watch Civvie he has cool
The first one I played was "Zero Tollerance" on Sega Genesis. I honestly go back to it frequently. It's janky but sooo fun!
NAM was an incredible Doom clone that I put countless hours into. I'm surprised it doesn't get more love, because I bet it would even be fun to play through today.
As a 39 year old who has been gaming for his whole life, I remember EVERY single one of these games! (hyperbole)
Great video, Austin!
I absolutely adored Disrupter. I would always use the unlock all levels cheat and had zero clue what was happening in the story.
I played the demo til it stopped working XD
*looks at literally every monster raising RPG*
*looks at literally every 2.5D party brawler*
*looks at literally every kart racer*
Oh nah, "clone" is ABSOLUTELY still a common term that gets thrown around the exact same way.
The major one these days is "Vampire Survivors clone", at least partly because no one can think of a better term for them (every once in a while someone tries to make "bullet heaven" stick as the genre name, and it never does).
@@esmerylanAll my circles call it bullet heaven, honestly it's 50/50 between the people that call it a survivorlike and bullet heaven for me.
I like Shatner making the Tech War intro on what is clearly the Rescue 911 set
Blood is actually one of my favorite games ever made. Thank you for mentioning it.
Sorta surprised that Blake Stone runs on the Wolf3D engine, given that they actually textured the floors and ceilings. That said, if viewing it as a half step between Wolf3D and ROTT, it makes perfect sense.
Edit: If you look into a sequel in the future, look into "Virtuoso." Play as a metal head in a third person shooter with a choppier framerate than Jason with a fresh machete to break in.
Fun little fact about Powerslave that I'm guessing wasn't mentioned because the focus was specifically on Doom clones: Lobotomy went on to use its engine for the Saturn port of Quake. Which turned out surprisingly well! There's no real point in revisiting it these days, with the Nightdive remaster eclipsing any previous release, but it was a good alternative for someone (like me) who didn't have a PC that could run Quake very well.
Timing could not have been more perfect for this upload. Appreciate the hard work Austin🤙🏼🤙🏼
I was working on a Boomer Shooter video last year that never finished, but I played like 50 old forgotten '90s FPS games and that was a blast. I'm glad you made this video, because it's like watching the video I was working on 😅😂
I never knew Hexen was a sequel 😮. I'm nostalgic over the doom clone Nightmare 3D that they had installed at my elementary school camp 🖥️ while kids were trading Pokemon cards as the counselors had I want it that way nsyc playing loudly in the baclground.what a time to be alive 😂
Austin didn't mention that the Heretic series got split in a weird way- Hexen was straightforwardly a sequel to Heretic, but the third game was supposed to be called Hecatomb (I remember reading an interview with John Romero that mentioned he had a mockup of the original cover design in his office) and then got changed to Hexen II. Fast-forward a couple more years, and Raven put out Heretic II, a third-person game (using the Quake engine!) that was a direct sequel to the first Heretic and completely ignored the Hexen games.
Core memory unlocked: I remember when I was like 5 in the 90s, and my mom was going to the local community college for PC stuff. I remember being parked in a room and playing a FPS with the stage name "Mars Needs Women" and it was years later that I learned that I was playing Marathon.
Now I want to go rewatch like half of Civvie's videos. Thanks!
I still remember playing the Outlaws demo when I was younger
and today I stumbled upon the full version of it and enjoyed it (a bit)
Fun fact is that Catacombs 3D is still running on John Carmacks pre-Wolfenstein engine. It’s still an iD game at its core
I remember in the early days of the _information superhighway_ snobby gatekeepers who loved the point and click adventure genre would dismiss Doom Clones as “not real games” because “they required no thinking or challenge and all players did was mindlessly walk around and shoot.”
It’s funny how the status quo has reversed. Now point and click adventure games are often argued as “not real games, they’re visual novels, walking simulators, or interactive movies” and etc…
I very much remember my first "Doom-clone" being Star Wars: Dark Forces. Also the godmode cheat is forever locked in my brain, LAIMLAME (I am not!), while I can't remember any of the Doom ones anymore outside of IDKFA.
How could you forget "Chex Quest"? Definitely better than the Mr. Pibb one. It even got an HD rerelease a few years back!
Surprised Alien vs Predator from the Arati Jaguar didn't get a mention, especially considering it's release date was 1994, it actually beat both Heretic and Rise of the Triad's PC shareware release dates by a couple months and was highly praised and became the hot system seller for those willing to buy one.
I myself was about 10 at the time, and I remember that it was a talked about game on the school yard.. none of us ever played it as no one had a Jaguar, but thanks to the infomercials selling the Atari Jaguar showing off gameplay, and print media, every kid I knew wish they had a Jaguar specifically for AvP..
Bro PO’ed was nuts. The drill would leave blood on the screen for as long as it was going. And the Rocket pack was nuts and the rocket launcher had an upgrade that let you pilot a rocket crazy stuff
I'm loving the facial hair recently
hey, I was a Mac gamer who played Marathon! There are dozens of us, DOZENS!
You were cool before being cool was even invented
Great video bro! And the 🧔 is looking noyice.
Alright, now I’m curious what doom clone has William Shatner in it.
It *WILL* not disappoint.
Tek war
Nathaniel
I'm very surprised you didn't talk about Shadow Warrior
Doom first released when I was super young, while I did play it way back when I didn’t actually get any Doom clones until much later. My first Doom Clone was Shadow Warrior Classic, which to this day remains my favorite one.
I waited almost the entire video to hear the mention of Disruptor and am *ecstatic* that it was called a hidden gem. It's great
Omg, and I didn't wait long enough to comment because now I'm seeing Outlaws, which is the game my great grandpa used to let me play on his computer when I was little lmao
i been following your channel for a lil bit now and can say dang your doc's are well done. seen this as soon as i got on YT and no question hit this vid first. thanks boss-man
Narratively the Marathon trilogy is what would had happend if Yoko taro developed a first person shooter.
Yo Austin keep up the great work!
Corridor 7 was terrifying for me as a kid. There was a weird skull kind of thing popping up sometimes and i didn't know why and how to avoid it. It traumatized me so bad i still remember that face even now all those years later.
I would love a video like this about the newer boomer shooters! Games likes Ion Fury, Ultra Kill, SlayersX, Cultic, Amid Evil. We are spoiled with a new wave of unique and fun 90's style FPS games nowadays.
"Everybody knows of a guy that had Doom on a TI-81 Calculator, and it doesn't get much nerdier than that"
The ears of Uncle Derek, from Stop Skeleton From Fighting, have got to be ringing really hard right now =P
The original ROTD if you changed your PC date to a holiday (Christmas for example) they have people Santa hats!
7:10 Doom was the one that was supposed to feature class choices, as well having companions to help in your quest. You can still find these ideas on the original Doom Bible and those were cut because of time and budget constrains, resulting on a very straightforward game we have today.
As you can see, Tom had the opportunity to carry on with these ideas on ROTT.
Not enough was said about *Outlaws.*
One of its standout features was the soundtrack, Ennio Morricone themed and included as CD audio tracks.
The game's atmosphere was very efficient due to the music and enemies shouting taunts, once they were alerted to the player's presence. There was no bullet-sponging of either enemies or the player. Guns were as lethal as you'd expect, drastically increasing tension and pressuring the player into using tactics rather than brainless run 'n gun. The AI was also a bit more complex for the time, having enemies run behind cover and ducking behind barrels or similar objects.
Strongly recommended for the music.
The first time I ever saw Wolfenstein 3D is one of the most memorable gaming moments of my life. I'd never seen anything like it before and I was instantly obsessed. It was mind-blowing for me
Both versions of Killing Time were quite solid shooters despite their obsurity.
I should mentioned that a guy named Tristan855 is working on a GZDoom port of the PC version that will require the original files and it can be modded. There will be improvements like fading effects for the ghost FMVs along with them now being shootable, cut ambient sounds being put back in, etc. I hope Tristan855 decides to do the same with the 3DO version.
I discovered Blood: Fresh Supply a few years ago and I've been obsessed with Doom shooters ever since.
Dusk is the absolute best, hands down.
Thanks for mentioning PO'd. It's truly bizarre. I played it as a kid on my Dad's 3D0 and it was very hard. Just saw that Nightdive is remastering it!
I would claim that Half Life is a clone of Blakestone.
The doctors who give you health. The vending machines, the aliens, the guys in blue dresses, the roof guns...
Great video! Forgot I had TekWar as a kid - didn’t understand a bit of it.
One more title though: Corridor 7! That one felt a bit like a horror game. Liked it!
I loved Rise of the Triad, Hexen and Duke Nukem so much.
I spent countless hours back in the day.
Those were the best days in life.
I think P I’d came directly from the idea that eventually became Doom called
‘It’s Green and Pissed’. This idea was mentioned in an old interview published by David Kushner
Doom clone, Souls like, Metroidvania, when you are the originator of a new genre that every studio wants a piece of that pie
I'm so glad Austin Eruption finally covered the weird world of Doom Clones it's a vast ocean that covering it all in one video wouldn't do it justice, so if Mr Eruption wanted to revisit the subject in a follow up video, I'm absolutely down for that, also glad to hear someone mentioning Disruptor that game is criminally underrated and I feel more people should play it.
My first Doom clone was either Corridor 7 or Blake Stone. I played them simultaneously. I really enjoyed them, even if they hold up terribly with hindsight.
thank you for the dark forces 2 shout out. That game, and Jedi Outcast and Academy, formed my childhood and teenagehood.
I really hope DF2 gets the nightdive treatment. Similar to what they did for quake 2
The Witchaven games were fun and overtly creepy, and the enemies were scary claymation monsters. I really enjoyed those.
I still have my copy of Withchaven. The cover alone is metal AF. The game itself I dont remember it so well, but from what I recall it was creepy as hell
Omg! Thank you for reminding me of Blake Stone. Wow...The pc memories!
My mates and I did play Marathon in grade 7 (final year of primary school in Australia in 1996) because our classroom had four Apple Mac PowerPC 5200 all-in-ones and out teachers allowed us to mess with them at lunchtime.
@24:30: if you speed it up to 2x, it sounds like the intro to the "Cheers" theme song, lol! 😂
Duke Nukem 3D, personally absolutely not forgotten 😂The voice of Eric Harris in my head :"It's Doom and Duke" 🤣
Awesome video dude! Great minds...
I think this will be my favorite of your "clone" series since this is what I grew up with. Well, until the day you do a "King's Quest clones" video. 😂
Not only did I play TekWar, I still have some of the comics! Despite how bad Operation Body Count was, I played a ton of it. Would shoot out all of the windows, burn every body, piece of furniture, and plant with a flamethrower, and do it over and over again.
I had a thing for shooters that took place in office buildings, though. Die Hard: Nakatomi Plaza, The Terminator: Rampage, Blake Stone: Aliens of Gold, etc.
Gotta admit, my favorite "clone" from those days is Eradicator, the Duke 3D gameplay dialed up to eleven.
Man Outlaws is some serious nostalgia. I didnt have a pc that young so played it on my mums friends pc of we visited. Eventually completed it over the course of about a year!
I think one of my favorite Doom/Stein clone is AvP on the Jaguar. Liked you could play as either an alien, predator or marine. Gave a bit of variety.
Hey, Dr. Radiaki! The programmer was one of my best buds in college, Eddie Herrell. He'd done some great work at Origin (See: Privateer), leaving to strike it out on his own. Dr. Radiaki was rushed to market too soon, because of Doom's release. It was a stinker.
Cool to see Alien Breed 3D get a mention! I made a remake of it using the GZDoom engine called Project Osiris if anyone's interested in trying a slightly remixed and modernised version of the game with an actually sensible resolution.
I was more of a Quake fanboy but can’t deny the magnificence of Doom - especially Doom 2.
Still play Dark Forces now.
Id forgotten all about Heretic and Hexen but I remember really enjoying them. The Duke Nukem games were fun.
I’d love to see a video talking about the Painkiller series. The first few games were so awesome yet hardly anyone even knew these games existed.
I owned a Panasonic 3DO gold star and had both P'Oed and Killing Time as well as about 30 plus other games. And it also had a Doom Port as well and it was pretty darn good from what I remember. I also owned two really good dungeon crawling games from ADandD for my 3DO. They were like Doom clones but in the dungeons.
outlaws was my first ever video game when i was 5, still one of my favorite games to this day
That's pretty funny you bring up PO'ed in the video, and they just announced PO'ed Definitive Edition yesterday or earlier today (4/1/24) from Nightdive :)
Chex Quest was my first clone! Then it was probably Alien Trilogy on the PS1
I still have my copies of Marathon and Marathon 2. It was super fun back in the 90s, if I couldn't make it to my buddy's to play Doom.
Outlaws was also the first game to feature the sniper zoom scope mechanic man LucasArts was paving the way for legendary mechanic.
Cool, nice memories, I remember playing Power Slave in the PS1 ... and you missed my favorite: Shadow Warrior
Never played Doom until 2016, but I spent hours and HOURS on Wolfenstein....also, side note I totally forgot about Blake Stone and Rise of the Triad lol that's so awesome
My 1st was Poed and had so much fun hitting things with a frying pan lol
Battlezone in arcades in the 80's, then Wolfenstein 3D, Blake Stone, Rise of the Triad (dog mode!), Hexen, Duke 3D, Exhumed (Let's get the Hell out of here!), Disruptor and Dark Forces all got me through the Nineties.
i played Blake Stone before i played doom and loved it. i have no idea if it would hold up if i went back to it
sad that chex quest was not on this such a great clone of doom