Not sure about your spelling, must have been late at night when you sent this message. No I dont think so, whatever you mean, instead he gave a wonderful rebuttal and account of his company's position. Clear, concise and never gave room for doubt
He was screwed through and through.He only comes out as an arrogant disrespectful SOB.Had it been an African country he would have been thrown in a cell.
The Cambridge Analytica issue is about stealth of 'personal confidential data' and not about 'fake news' . How one could conveniently mix up a 'stealth data' issue with a 'fake news' issue is quite bewildering to me.
No they are not obligated to protect users as the service they give is free. If a 3rd party entity breach someones data the one securing it didnt break your trust because they did not intentionally want it to happen to. Unless you went on with a contract with a claus if breach happens then the one securing it is responsible. When robbers rob a bank it doesnt mean the bank owner did it. Data breach by whom side is what you need to realize. If a person enters his or her info in the internet its already over. This digital problem made politicians a bit paranoid because they get affected but have no power over it. The misuse of data however is hard to prove but with CA standpoint in industry many people know what they really do. A politician talking about trust issue isnt actually good.
when i speak fr heart I need not fear pap minister i dont live life with unnecessary fear i may not hv great fantastic education but i live with great education but cannot b dictate by evil wicked people telling I cant go far i must help Singaporea n to dare to rise n conquer bless happy new yeat 2023
Before his sudden elevation to ministerial level in the Singapore government, Mr Shanmugam was a lawyer who defended several members of the infamous High Society Cocaine Circle. One of them Dinesh Singh Bhatia, a private equity investor and son of former High Court judge Amarjeet Singh. A first offender, he was facing a jail sentence of up to 18 months for drug use. His supplies were provided by notorious drug baron, Tunisian Guiga Lyes Ben Laroussi. Defending Bhatia, Shanmugam claimed his client was not an addict and had been given the drug by a friend. Though he had 'a fleeting suspicion' the substance could be illegal, 'he took it on impulse, but did not know it was cocaine' he had just stuck up his nose when caught in the act. This nonsense persuaded the kindly judge to finally give this favoured son a prison sentence of only 8 months half of which was spent at home apparently wearing a bracelet. Meanwhile several simple drug mules were hanged for trafficking drug into Singapore - drugs that might possibly have ended up Bhatia's nostrils . This is just one of the many scandals I exposed in my book Once a Jolly Hangman: Singapore Justice in the Dock which resulted in my arrest and prison sentence for 'scandalising the judiciary.' This is not fake news - but it's the kind of real news that frightens the life out of Shanmugam and the PAP dictatorship.
7:22 I don’t know what is it about Mr Milner’s features from his eyebrows up, they are like another species from another planet which I can’t stop staring at. look at the way his eyebrows arch and in such an angle! look at all those lines above his eyebrow.
I wish Singapore was represented by someone more articulate. Mr Shanmugam is no doubt a legal luminary, but very inarticulate. Just look at comparable hearings in the US to see what I mean. Sen Warren questioning the Wells Fargo CEO would trigger nightmares for Wall Street CEOs. I'd have loved to see something similar.
I really cannot comprehend this. What was supposed to be a consultation, a feedback session, to provide suggestions to Singapore's legislative intention turned out to be a mini court trial. In fact, the outcome was there at the outset; that "there needs to be better safeguards, internal controls, if you may, for the sharing of data to third party application providers." There is really no need for this.
FB is not obligated to protect users or tell them if a data breach has been made. No system is secure enough to give assurance it wont be breached. Whose action is worse from consultation to interrogation directly lied upon too or not revealing something you dont need to as per developers but theres a need to as per politicians perspective. Politicians need to learn how internet works and developers needs to learn more about users security not just for their own.
Eric Larter From this session, I see the sight of our founding father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, how he managed this kind of issue before and never lost in law suit. Of cos, Mr K Shanmugam is a top-notch lawyer , Minister For Law. He is specifically selected and recruited by Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
From first introduced until now I never use fb before. Because there’s totally no privacy! Your boss are secretly watching your ex know where are you your mother knows who you date your husband knows your past bf.. totally stupid idea to put your life up to public! And I also don’t understand why some people is so comfortable enough to post racist or stupid remakes and thought no one is watching! Some mp even did that. So stupid!
Mr Shanmugam slices anyone working against Singapore interest. Indians doing proud outside India. In India we are struggling with Anti CAA rogues. This sets difference between developed and developing countries.
This FB guy is very arrogant and very evasive. From this session, somehow see the sight of our founding father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, how he managed this kind of issue before and never lost in law suit. Mr K Shanmugam is indeef very very composed, very very sharp and verry very systematic. This is a top-notch lawyer , Minister For Law who heads Ministry of Law. Singapore is so blessed. Saw a TV interview before that Mr Shanmugam is specifically interviewed and recruited by Mr Lee Kuan Yew. So do not challenge Singapore's Law if you are here to stay.
The reasoning which Singapore runs by is definitely not what I deem a "reasonable person" would think of at all. The FB guy clearly made his stand and is holding it up, willing to even admit the flaws within the system. Besides, so many points were made that the foreign guy disagreed. Where is the capacity to engage in the dialogue fairly and give the opponent the ability to reconstruct the way you think, if there are indeed errors or shortsightedness? Isnt that the foundation of all learning and true dialogue? Are we arbitrators of all that is fair and logical? I dont think this is right.
Simon miler say with respect , but his expression say other wise. Then he proceed to mention 4.1 (0.19%) million out of 2. 1 billion. Did he wanna say he can ignore Singapore market and insignificant??? Lol. I could * politely and responsibly* say what he answer here and what the outcome from Singapore here. Will be follow by SEA nation. That is apx. 300 million of your company user, ard 13%. Word of advice, withstanding the user %. Isn't it always be good to be polite when speaking to your client. Maybe Mr. Simon, have been intimated by Mr. Sham. And forget all this manner.
When he argue his points with Singaporean, he can say whichever he likes. But with foreigners he is been tear apart. Singaporean cannot argue with him even he talk nonsense.
@@popopo1976 haha, I see it the other way. It's a method used to frustrate the other party, to force the other party to defend his stance and to be absolutely clear with his words or else FB's gonna be in legal trouble.. there's no way FB can run away from giving a clear answer by questioning in this manner. The FB guy's smart, which is why he is correcting sham whenever sham tries to corner him.
Mr Sham -- please prove your credentials in the same way you harassed Thum? You said you have ultimate ... no I have ultimate ... i pay you your pay through my income tax ... i have the ultimate so if i say you get lost you get lost
LOL, pay income tax only then think you big shot isit. like that all the ministers in Singapore should bow down to u because u pay income tax. PLEASE, u are only one out of millions of people who pay income tax only, and everyone in the world is doing the same thing
HAHA. BABY SHAMU WAS GRILLED BY FB REPS... BUT BOTH ARE BALD FOR SURE HAHAHAHAHA HEY SHAMU, ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER WHERE WERE U &. UR PAP@ LEE. WHEN LITTLE INDIA RIOT?? HAHAHAHHA
THE WAY I SEE BABY SHAMU.. HE SCARED TO SAY WRONGLY SO TALK LIKE PRIMARY KID... I BELIEVE HIS SCARED WITH HIS MASTER, PAP@ LEE & HE EVEN EXTRA SCARED WITH HIS WIFE, KATMANDUL HAHAHAHAHAHA
BABY SHANMU KENA SLAPPED, SOMEMORE HE SOLD HIS SOLD TO TONY SETAN YET HE DIDN'T MIND... AS LONG AS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN HIS POCKET! KAA CING!!! OR KEN CING!!! ND POOPS HAHHAHAHA
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Battle of the shiniest forehead.
Lmao, this is a very serious issue man
And the eyebrows of both looks the same
i feel so bad for laughing at this
When you are angry, you can't anything right. Look at how eloquent is our leader.
Mr Shamugam shows the way to arrogant FB representative : FB Twitter even Google needs to be taught good lesson ...
That's called "True Minister"
which every nation needs.
Totally!
Absolutely!
Both of their foreheads are brighter than my future!
So, what 's in ur head instead?
So you have a daak future!😂😂😂
Shanmugam rips through the arrogance of the FB executive who thinks he is talking to a child. He is your daddy. 🔥
Plug-out internet and plug-in intranet. Problem solve! The party in power can feed the citizens what ever it deem the truth.
The facebook guy did very well, candid open and clear
Not sure about your spelling, must have been late at night when you sent this message. No I dont think so, whatever you mean, instead he gave a wonderful rebuttal and account of his company's position. Clear, concise and never gave room for doubt
He was screwed through and through.He only comes out as an arrogant disrespectful SOB.Had it been an African country he would have been thrown in a cell.
Consultation becomes Interrogation… 😂
Hi Kid, we 're fortunately to hv our own Brilliant Local hero jus likes Tamil Nadu hv Hero jus likes Rajinikanth D Amazing Super Star.
if you can arrest someone without a trial under the ISD Act is it fake news? If is not, then why not an open trial?
The Cambridge Analytica issue is about stealth of 'personal confidential data' and not about 'fake news' . How one could conveniently mix up a 'stealth data' issue with a 'fake news' issue is quite bewildering to me.
Bro. The issue is trust. If they can steal your what else are they capabale of??
No they are not obligated to protect users as the service they give is free. If a 3rd party entity breach someones data the one securing it didnt break your trust because they did not intentionally want it to happen to. Unless you went on with a contract with a claus if breach happens then the one securing it is responsible. When robbers rob a bank it doesnt mean the bank owner did it. Data breach by whom side is what you need to realize. If a person enters his or her info in the internet its already over.
This digital problem made politicians a bit paranoid because they get affected but have no power over it. The misuse of data however is hard to prove but with CA standpoint in industry many people know what they really do.
A politician talking about trust issue isnt actually good.
I agree totally with Simon Milner
That's the way to in thinking dude!
Attorney has the most arrogant aura in the room 👍
when i speak fr heart I need not fear pap minister i dont live life with unnecessary fear i may not hv great fantastic education but i live with great education but cannot b dictate by evil wicked people telling I cant go far i must help Singaporea n to dare to rise n conquer bless happy new yeat 2023
STOP SAYING BREACHED OF TRUST!!! It's breached of everything at this point.
Make facebook pay out any profits they had gained. Facebook only cares about the bottom line, and they let this happen so their bottom line could grow
Their foreheads are so shining I have to wear shades watching this.
Before his sudden elevation to ministerial level in the Singapore government, Mr Shanmugam was a lawyer who defended several members of the infamous High Society Cocaine Circle. One of them Dinesh Singh Bhatia, a private equity investor and son of former High Court judge Amarjeet Singh. A first offender, he was facing a jail sentence of up to 18 months for drug use. His supplies were provided by notorious drug baron, Tunisian Guiga Lyes Ben Laroussi. Defending Bhatia, Shanmugam claimed his client was not an addict and had been given the drug by a friend. Though he had 'a fleeting suspicion' the substance could be illegal, 'he took it on impulse, but did not know it was cocaine' he had just stuck up his nose when caught in the act. This nonsense persuaded the kindly judge to finally give this favoured son a prison sentence of only 8 months half of which was spent at home apparently wearing a bracelet. Meanwhile several simple drug mules were hanged for trafficking drug into Singapore - drugs that might possibly have ended up Bhatia's nostrils . This is just one of the many scandals I exposed in my book Once a Jolly Hangman: Singapore Justice in the Dock which resulted in my arrest and prison sentence for 'scandalising the judiciary.' This is not fake news - but it's the kind of real news that frightens the life out of Shanmugam and the PAP dictatorship.
is this the real alan shadrake?
I checked the mirror this morning and can confirm this is the real alan shadrake!
So you are the guy they banned from entering this draconian country, all because a book,im gonna read about your book.
This man, Simon Milner, Facebook’s Vice President of Public Policy for the Asia-Pacific, is very arrogant.
He's not really arrogant n' if he is, he got every right to one.
Amo normal lah. They think they own this world
Shut down Facebook already, hell lot of promotions and ads
7:22 I don’t know what is it about Mr Milner’s features from his eyebrows up, they are like another species from another planet which I can’t stop staring at. look at the way his eyebrows arch and in such an angle! look at all those lines above his eyebrow.
wait a minute. looking at the comments here, i disagree that Shanmugam came out on top. should have grilled that guy harder
Are you sure there's nothing in your own life you could also be grilled about? Careful what you wish for.
You use you lose.
I wish Singapore was represented by someone more articulate. Mr Shanmugam is no doubt a legal luminary, but very inarticulate. Just look at comparable hearings in the US to see what I mean. Sen Warren questioning the Wells Fargo CEO would trigger nightmares for Wall Street CEOs. I'd have loved to see something similar.
Hi, US Citizen here, Mr Shanmugam is so much more precise with his intentions he would run circles around Sen. Warren (I am also from Warrens state)
Sry for not commenting, this is heavily monitored
I dont have Facebook , am I immune to their data theft .
Case Study: when Singapore direct Singlish kills English native speaker
I bet K Shanmugam's English communication skill is far better than yours. What nonsense are you talking about?
well done Minister
I really cannot comprehend this. What was supposed to be a consultation, a feedback session, to provide suggestions to Singapore's legislative intention turned out to be a mini court trial. In fact, the outcome was there at the outset; that "there needs to be better safeguards, internal controls, if you may, for the sharing of data to third party application providers." There is really no need for this.
FB is not obligated to protect users or tell them if a data breach has been made. No system is secure enough to give assurance it wont be breached. Whose action is worse from consultation to interrogation directly lied upon too or not revealing something you dont need to as per developers but theres a need to as per politicians perspective.
Politicians need to learn how internet works and developers needs to learn more about users security not just for their own.
Now see this, only for show. Together one.
Is this a Select Committee or a Court of Law? Is someone getting charged here? Thought it's consultation, not confrontation.
No, actually this is friendship partnership Year end discussion.
Shanmugam may be despicable but I have to say I'm quite impressed with how calm he is and he rephrased his sentences just to calm the reactive dude.
Ahh... can you explain why despicable
You can call him snobbish, savage and egoistic, I don't think despicable is the right word.
Is he then despicable or impressive?
Shamugan's way of talking is so convoluted. Deliberate right?
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This Minister was actually a lawyer????
Eric Larter From this session, I see the sight of our founding father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, how he managed this kind of issue before and never lost in law suit. Of cos, Mr K Shanmugam is a top-notch lawyer , Minister For Law. He is specifically selected and recruited by Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
Eric Larter He still is
FB will hire Roy Cohn if he is still alive, and this would have been easy.
QUIT FACEBOOK.
You dare to do it ? Than u will be facing Trumph !
Will he do for Tik Tok soon..!?
From first introduced until now I never use fb before. Because there’s totally no privacy! Your boss are secretly watching your ex know where are you your mother knows who you date your husband knows your past bf.. totally stupid idea to put your life up to public! And I also don’t understand why some people is so comfortable enough to post racist or stupid remakes and thought no one is watching! Some mp even did that. So stupid!
Sneaky... "Let me rephrase several times" just goes to show
Everyone praising : Shan
Me: all I see is a bully
Mr Shanmugam slices anyone working against Singapore interest. Indians doing proud outside India. In India we are struggling with Anti CAA rogues. This sets difference between developed and developing countries.
He ain't an Indian.
He is a Singaporean..
He is not Indian he is Tamilan he don't abide by North Indian cow culture
@@VKP-i5i keep trying to divide, u have all along failed and shall continue to.
@@trust1301 Lol you north Indian crap only divided by calling Madrasi names you are Castist see you have Caste title on your name 😏
Really admire Mr K Shanmugam for his professionalism and dignity.
Because he can talk big while he is not in the hotseat to someone who is cornered?
I feel like the white guy's eyebrows are on neutral position
let me rephrase
This FB guy is very arrogant and very evasive. From this session, somehow see the sight of our founding father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, how he managed this kind of issue before and never lost in law suit. Mr K Shanmugam is indeef very very composed, very very sharp and verry very systematic. This is a top-notch lawyer , Minister For Law who heads Ministry of Law.
Singapore is so blessed.
Saw a TV interview before that Mr Shanmugam is specifically interviewed and recruited by Mr Lee Kuan Yew. So do not challenge Singapore's Law if you are here to stay.
Janet Lim sharp my ass..he had to keep rephrasing when the rebuttal was too strong for him to take
Ya he had to rephrase several times after the angmo corrected him. Even after that, i still failed to understand his points. My english not good.
Ooh!!! Dear ......
I wish Shanmugam was India's Finance Minister. His questions literally f**d the Gora Angrej babu
Where are all the comments?
let's see if my comment gets deleted by cna
The reasoning which Singapore runs by is definitely not what I deem a "reasonable person" would think of at all.
The FB guy clearly made his stand and is holding it up, willing to even admit the flaws within the system.
Besides, so many points were made that the foreign guy disagreed. Where is the capacity to engage in the dialogue fairly and give the opponent the ability to reconstruct the way you think, if there are indeed errors or shortsightedness? Isnt that the foundation of all learning and true dialogue?
Are we arbitrators of all that is fair and logical?
I dont think this is right.
Our Local Hero, bites & put them on Trial .
"Foreign guy"... please note that you, too are a "foreign guy" the moment you leave Singapore.
Simon miler say with respect , but his expression say other wise.
Then he proceed to mention 4.1 (0.19%) million out of 2. 1 billion. Did he wanna say he can ignore Singapore market and insignificant??? Lol.
I could * politely and responsibly* say what he answer here and what the outcome from Singapore here. Will be follow by SEA nation. That is apx. 300 million of your company user, ard 13%.
Word of advice, withstanding the user %. Isn't it always be good to be polite when speaking to your client.
Maybe Mr. Simon, have been intimated by Mr. Sham. And forget all this manner.
Blah blah blah just for show only.
😆 shan is a law legend
Dont mess with lawyers
So what! Lawyer's are liars.
Malibu Bramacari well they can or cannot be but they know the law so dont mess with them unless you know the law too
@@malibubramacari4161 But lawyers help people better then psychiatrists do, so plus points for lawyers! ➕
When he argue his points with Singaporean, he can say whichever he likes. But with foreigners he is been tear apart. Singaporean cannot argue with him even he talk nonsense.
Simon Milner looks so angryyyyy. 😡
Mr Shanmugan is not prepared or qualified in this matter
Joseph Huidrom can anyone tell me who is he
a singaporean law minister
Mr Shan had to rephrase several times. But even after that, i failed to understand what he tried to say. Maybe my English not good.
@@popopo1976 haha, I see it the other way. It's a method used to frustrate the other party, to force the other party to defend his stance and to be absolutely clear with his words or else FB's gonna be in legal trouble.. there's no way FB can run away from giving a clear answer by questioning in this manner. The FB guy's smart, which is why he is correcting sham whenever sham tries to corner him.
Mr Sham -- please prove your credentials in the same way you harassed Thum? You said you have ultimate ... no I have ultimate ... i pay you your pay through my income tax ... i have the ultimate so if i say you get lost you get lost
LOL, pay income tax only then think you big shot isit. like that all the ministers in Singapore should bow down to u because u pay income tax. PLEASE, u are only one out of millions of people who pay income tax only, and everyone in the world is doing the same thing
pap it self have fake news and take peoples money still dare comment about facebook lol joke
Yeah man! Congrats on ur distinctive answer.
so many pap ib
are you a lwyer.-- how do i know it is real> Mr Sham please prove
How do I know you are real......you also must prove.....
HAHA. BABY SHAMU WAS GRILLED BY FB REPS... BUT BOTH ARE BALD FOR SURE HAHAHAHAHA HEY SHAMU, ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER WHERE WERE U &. UR PAP@ LEE. WHEN LITTLE INDIA RIOT?? HAHAHAHHA
BABY SHANMU IS A JOKE... IS THIS A REAL INDIE SINGAPOOR MOST CAPABLE LAW MAKER?????????? WHERE'S THE "PUNCH"LINE????
THE WAY I SEE BABY SHAMU.. HE SCARED TO SAY WRONGLY SO TALK LIKE PRIMARY KID... I BELIEVE HIS SCARED WITH HIS MASTER, PAP@ LEE & HE EVEN EXTRA SCARED WITH HIS WIFE, KATMANDUL HAHAHAHAHAHA
Shame-mugam
BABY SHANMU KENA SLAPPED, SOMEMORE HE SOLD HIS SOLD TO TONY SETAN YET HE DIDN'T MIND... AS LONG AS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN HIS POCKET! KAA CING!!! OR KEN CING!!! ND POOPS HAHHAHAHA
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