Who Killed the Smart Gun?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มี.ค. 2017
- America is a gun culture. It always has been. With an estimated 260 to 300 million guns in the national gun stock today, firearms aren’t going anywhere. And it would appear the political will to craft robust nationwide gun control legislation remains dead in the water.
But with an epidemic of mass shootings, and gun accidents devastating communities nationwide, a small movement seeks to change the very technology at the heart of firearms. Yet the players behind this movement to create user-authenticated firearms, or so-called smart guns that only fire in the hands of approved users, are blocked at every turn.
A Smarter Gun, an original documentary investigation from VICE’s tech channel Motherboard, is the story of why.
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Motherboard Gun owners want their shit to work every time, all the time. There's enough issue getting the mechanics to work as is so why on earth would installing electronics on the trigger group be a good idea? It's not uncommon for people to just leave the gun in a small locked box right under the bed.
Shit, how would you feel if a new law required you to do a fingerprint scan every time you wanted to power on a computer? It might make things more secure but there's a point where that ruins ease of access. Most people just lock their doors or keep their computer hardware somewhere safe.
Brain Nim truly stupid... People use a fingerprint or passcode to unlock their SMARTphones, which is a computer or PC every day. Millions do.....
"If we can unlock our smartphones with a fingerprint, why can't we do that with our guns?" Because the government will find a way to infringe on your privacy through the guns just like they are doing right now through our smartphones.
WHAT X Those are things that you choose to implement and are built into the computer if you use them. Last I checked, guns do not work like that.
It's not a perfect analogy but this can extend to any number of security checks. Should we require everyone to type in a long ass password and encrypt the hard drive of every electronic device they own? Or should they be free to choose how they handle their own stuff?
Brain Nim doesn't apply to your irrational point that security ruins ease of access to a computer. Which is what you said..
Talking about gun safety while breaking every gun safety rule. great job!
so cringy, and the ATF guy says nothing
I think that they asked him to do it for the Angles but I do agree he should be more careful
8:21 for this 'journalist' attempting to murder his cameraman.
Are these the people we should take gun advise from?
@@hlboerr Def not
I can tell you one thing! The Military wouldn’t use it why would we?
exactly what I'm thinking. Same with cops, SWAT, and anyone who's an armed bodyguard.
I cringed every time he had the finger on the trigger and wasn't shooting. Teach your employees some damn gun discipline.
OMG me too!
@@cooljwj I legit don't understand this. These people do a video about gun safety yet they don't know or follow the fucking golden rule of gun safety!
Finger. Off. And. Away. From. The. Trigger. Until. You. Are. Ready. To. Fire.
There are kids that have better trigger discipline with their super soakers.
8:21 dude shot the cameraman
You'd think he'd at least spend five minutes in preparation reading about gun safetly. In a normal situation, if someone exhibited such carelessness at a gun store or on a range, they'd be promptly disarmed and escorted off the premises!
I like how a "glock" is any semi auto pistol that isn't a 1911
and these are the people that think they should be in charge of writing legislation around them. That is equivalent to me being in charge of NASA's space program because I have strong feelings about it.
John Goldstien or a C96
+neoc03 isn't that what you do when you vote in your representatives and senators? They decide if how much money to give NASA depending how they feel about it? Even tho they probably can't name all the planets.
My glock is a 9mm Jimenez JA nine.
my glock is a HiPoint its a smart gun because kids can't pick it up and or squeeze the 14lb trigger
Finger straight and off the trigger at all times...
Shoadowsteppa, it takes a person with a brain to know what you just said....this guy, I wonder if his frontal cortex is still intact.
unless you are ready to shoot of course:)
Craig X lol yeah that tommy gun slapping the action foward proves it handed to him like that so he could make it safe but oh boy the atf expected this guy to know a little about guns i guess n he dint . Tho i would love to have been in his shoues testing those
I just love how the ATF agent reacted @8:23 when the host points theThompson Submachine Gun at the cameraman and pulled the trigger. Right after the bolt flew forward and went click and the host was like "I didn't know it was going to do that" the agent just chuckled as if to say "you're the reason or type of person who'd accidentally shoot someone".
Gun safety documentary: it’s all about being responsible with firearms
Vice reporter: nodding in approval, proceeds to fire a gun at his cameraman....(“i didn’t think it was going to do that”....prick
God I will love to go into that gun vault just to see all the different weapons in person, so much history.
D-Phuq right and those really unique ones like the breifcase or umbrella gun. to Fire those would be amazing and I'm not even a gun guy
Would like that to "raid" that baby just give me 10 minutes and a pick up truck heeheehee...
If you live near west va that’s where it is
This is why gun safety should be taught to everyone.
they used to teach it in schools... very so long ago
Gatling Hawk yes they did, and back then something like parkland wouldn't have happened,and if it did everyone who hunted would have gone to the parking lot and got their guns to shoot back, maybe that's why we didn't have school shootings back then
I'm glad someone else feel that way. I get that some people dont like guns ,but we are in a country with a lot of guns. So in order to be safe it would be optimal for more people to understand how a fire arm functions and how to make it safe. Knowledge is power.
@@thebigdog2295 that situation happen because someone was intentionally trying to slaughter people. Even if they he guns in the parking lot or something it would make things worse. Who's the shooter? Now there more than one person with a weapon and no one knows who to shoot at. That even if they make it to the parking lot at all. A good look at who get the gun is what we should look at to solve the problem because mental illness and guns only create problems.
Gun safety gets thrown out of the mind of a child did you even listen to the video it doesn't work. There's even videos of children getting gun safety training finding a gun and still paying with it. Children are dumb and the only way to solve it is by making the gun unusable weather that is putting it in a safe or using technology to stop them from killing themselves.
When I take my marlin and Glock 40 hunting , the last thing I want is rain or smudges to cause the gun to seize when a damn moose charges me...
Dylan Fagundes satire, right?
8:22 dry fires a 40k+ firearm, and squints while doing so
He was focused on the front sight post lol
not to mention, this video is to promote safer gun practices yet, the producers failed on multiple occasions. As you mentioned dry firing a gun with a magazine, countless times that he put his finger on the trigger and he was just flailing the barrel around with little concern. Very disappointing.
8:22 dry fires a 40k+ firearm
I cringed so hard
It's funny how the ATF worker wows the reporter by saying the gun is worth 40k. It's only worth that much because of the retarded ATF and gun regulations that made it so prohibitively expensive.
A part of my kind of hurt when he did that
Thing would be garbage if it wasn't for regulations like Feral says lol.
yes fuck with that bolt because what can happen roight? :D
8:21 Point gun straight at cameraman. Pull trigger. A smart gun wouldn't have saved your cameraman from an accident if it was your gun. Education would have. You gave us a picture perfect example- "I didn't think it was going to do that."
Gone Far Afield That's exactly the point. An individual qualified enough will be the only one authorized to use a unique firearm and no one else. It will enhance gun crime control as it will be extremely easy to ID the gun , the owner and the data from the cloud collected when and where any gun is fired...!
It's insane to oppose the biotechnology to defend your "right to kill", while giving away so many other rights on personal, societal, financial and ecological levels.
Ali Imran: the first thing they teach you in gun training is to NEVER point the gun, loaded or unloaded, to someone's direction unless you intend to threaten or kill that person. The "smart gun" won't stop you from pulling the trigger if you're authorized to do so. I believe Gone Far Afield's point was more on the side of common sense rather than control.
Saro Gurunlu I hope your comment was posted before the recent Florida school shooting! It had not happened, had there been only the smart guns on planet Earth, eh!
ali imran
ali imran
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You do know the tech has been hacked? I can jam any RFID system and render your authorized use of your smart gun useless. Already done so. I have a right to defend with the firearm that cannot be hacked and will work every time. You do know how easy it is to jam them or allow unauthorized use? If not, I will educate you.
"you cant fix stupid" a smart gun would
Finger print readers on your firearm are a great idea. After all, you know you're always going to get the perfect grip on it during a defensive altercation. And your hands won't be wet. And you will never wear gloves. Or have to shoot with your other hand. And batteries never run out.
I can't even count how many times my finger print reader has failed on my phone, that's goes for any/every fingerprint device.
Yeah it would never work, too many scenarios.
I love how he hit him with the example of the gun with the 30 percent fail rate upon firing and he had nothing to say.
If a person is stupid enough to buy a junk gun because they're too lazy to research their purchase. Not my problem to solve for them
Motherboard, how could you do an entire documentary on this and not mention that New Jersey passed a law that says that soon after the first smart gun is available for sale in their state then all other guns are outlawed. That seems like a big key to understanding why people were so against companies creating smart guns for sale.
Also, what happened to the parents of that kid shot Nicholas? It seems like there should already be general laws in place what would have landed them in prison.
The parents being in prison wouldn't stop the kid from being dead. It was a accident that could have been avoided with a smart gun. Yes, it was the parrents fault but human error will always be a thing exist.
It's an accident that should've been prevented by the parents being parents an educating their kids on proper firearm safety. There will always be human error and all accidents can't be avoided. Just as a supposed smart gun could fail just as easy as a human.
Making 'death threats' against a guy *surrounded* by guns? Kind a stupid. LOL
Why did this make me laugh?
yeah.. because more guns you have, more immune you get to bullets.. 'murican logic..
The more armed you are, the more likely the criminal is to die upon attacking you. So yeah, there is a logic to it - a logic that clearly you are devoid of.
For example, would you go against the guy who has a machine gun emplacement in his bedroom doorway, or would you go against the guy with no guns at all?
Sounds like the guy with all the guns would net more profit to a criminal than stealing someone's wallet with 15 dollars in it.
Also it doesn't matter how many guns the guy has - he's not commanding a fucking army. All it takes is one bullet to take someone down. This isn't fucking Yugi-Oh - you're not gonna break into his house and have to defeat every single gun before sending the guy to the Shadow Realm...
You really underestimate how badly most criminals don't want to get shot. Trust me, no one wants to die
8:22
10/10 gun safety
you just lost any credibility you had.
Never had any to start with. Fake know-nothing journalists
Only thing he can successfully review is a "vente soy latte" lol
7:22 "feels good, feels really good" Finger off the trigger noob!
Hands off the trigger dood. 7:22 Look how unimpressed the man looks. lol
(Update: holy guacamole this is a large amount of likes, thanks guys!)
Gabriel Aborita Then recoil knocks him out
I was about to comment that as well.
Gabriel Aborita - and 8:22 too
he's also not wearing eye protection most of the time.
Every time he picked up a gun I cringed.
don't scroll down. it's not worth it.
This. So much.
Imagine hearing a sound in your house. Nervously, you open your drawer and remove your gun - your hands are clammy with fear as you edge towards the stairs. Suddenly a figure appears and you raise your gun, aim and fire. Nothing happens as your sweaty finger is not recognised by the fingerprint sensor.. The shadowy figure on the stairs sees you and raises his arm and you feel a bullet smash into your shoulder. Slippery with your own blood you raise the weapon again - the sensor is covered in your own blood and refuses to acknowledge you are the gun owner - you have in your hands your family's salvation, but it has transformed itself due to dumb electronics into a useless piece of metal. The second bullet hits you and you fall backwards into the bedroom, your unprotected wife and baby defenseless to the stranger now entering the room.
Smart guns don't work with...
Dirty hands
Gloves
After a drop
If the battery dies.... Etc
Lol maybe one of the designs (finger reader),
but youre being a bit general about the whole thing.
It pretty new and I'm sure theres a kinks to be worked out.
@@BadGuyJ A good way of checking if smart gun tech is good enough protect yourself is if a large majority of worldwide infantry and law enforcement use it.
@@marco_marks I'm not saying it is yet.
However you can't say that it can never be ready.
since 2008 over 500 officers have been disarmed or gotten their gun stolen. (see Table 19)
Some of these men died by their own gun.
and our infantry is super under funded as well, which is why our helmets and bullet proof armor hasn't been updated in decades.
Plus NRA isnt fond of smart guns and them being the biggest player for gun sales.. create more hurdles for the development of them.
BadGuy J if it’s so great why don’t they mandate police to only use smart guns just like NJ mandated that once it becomes available it will be the only gun that can be purchased in that state excluding police. It’s funny how it’s forced on NJ citizens as soon as it becomes available but not police.
@@BadGuyJ you can hack them just like every electronics
Going to a horse farm and selling a car.
Nothing wrong with that. Try selling a car to a Amish person.
Part-time Commentator, you know the amish love car's right? i live in amish country and they fix up and enjoy old fashioned car's even though they can't drive them.
Well, they are a bunch of borderline heretics. Do your muslims eat pork-flavoured beef?
That comment makes me think there is some validity in the idea that smart guns are a threat for a sales reason more than anything else. If cars become popular who is going to by a horse when they are objectively worse?
Old trends die hard. I think it could be that once smart guns becomes more reliable and authentic. I see no reason why they can't be the secret wet dream of every gun enthusiast.
Have we all missed the point? It's 2017! Where the fuck is my phase-pistols/phaser gun makers?!
Dan Hale ikr where are the rail guns that you can carry
Sadly, that's the same question people asked 20 years ago :(
Dan Hale
Where's my fucking Plasma Rifle?
40 Watt range... need it now...
Dam right!
Would you jump out of an airplane with a "smart parachute?"
Actually, automatic activation devices are a thing:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_activation_device
And have been for decades.
"Who Killed the Smart Gun?"
I know! I know!
Smart people killed the smart gun!
frknnutz Funny Joke XDDDDDDDDDDD
8:21
This guy shouldn't be holding a gun. This just demonstrates how little he actually knows about guns.
Sounds pretty anti-second amendment to me. Who are you to say what he can and can't hold?
He pointed a gun, with a magazine loaded, cocked it, and pulled the trigger, aiming at his cameraman.
If i were the man in the suit, I would tell him he can't hold any guns, and kick him the hell out.
Its a journalist, calm down
thatamerican550 it's a journalist INVESTIGATING FIREARMS.
Panzer Faust - dont worry he is max perstige in cod
No need for this tech anyway, though it would be nice. A simpler solution is to introduce firearm safety in all schools. Firearms are not going anywhere, even banning them in the US we'd still have them here in the hands of criminals. Our borders are too large to fully prevent them from crossing.
The simple solution to protect kids and protect people is to teach them at an early age that firearms can be dangerous and how to handle them when they happen to be around them. Even non gun owners can't control if their kid will end up being around a firearm, so teach them just in case. It's the smart thing to do, so quit the anti-firearm stuff because it won't work. Criminals don't obey the law and those are who we want to keep them from.
Ikemi Zyn hell yeah I took my little sister shooting taught her all about gun safety just in case one of her dumbass friends want to show her it and it loaded or some dumb shit like dude is pointing the barrel around all asshole like
I agree that education is the answer! We don’t need to tell him that going to bad for that cancer good we just need to show them how they work and how to be around them safely. We can tell them their capabilities and let them decide for themselves if it is something that they want to be around but the government does not need to be a part of that conversation. People are scared of public speaking, it’s because they have no exposure to it. The cure to fixing a fear of public speaking is not to be in public speaking that to increase that persons exposure to the activity. Gun bands will not stop anything
"Who killed the smart gun"
Uhhhh.... Smart people and logic?
When you put a lot of electronics into a firearm that automatically drives up the price to where the sales of that firearm will be minimal
Maybe we should just teach gun safety in schools
Nick Davis Russia dose
Fuck yeah, best solution ever. Or if parents had guns and educated there kids about it and to not touch it unless to save family, or to protect them selfs from death.
@Krappy Doodlez
WOW THATS SOME OBVIOUS ANTI SEMITISM RIGHT THERE
We should teach intellect, morals, values, civics, patriotism, rational and reasoning thought, (STEM also), in schools as well. The problem is there has always in human history, been powerful people, working against the best interests of society/ civilizations. And there has always been stupid ignorant irrational people, easily capable of being propaganda brainwash indoctrinated.
Why would we teach children skills that they will use at some point in their life?
I was looking away at the time and just heard "Today I'm carrying a 9 mm...ak 47"
Was like..wtf?
It was two separate clips. Two different people talking.
There are 9mm ak family weapons a bunch actually. look up 9x39mm
He's talking about using an AK as a daily carry pistol lol.
Kommando Kodiak there are 9x19 ak carbines as well
Romanian Chiappa PAK-9....A 9mm AK Pistol for under $500
The curator of the firearm collection trying not to tell him to keep his finger off the trigger is priceless. I can see the worry in his eye
HE POINTED THE GUN AT THE CAMERAMAN AND PULLED THE TRIGGER!
Mindboggling. Even kids know not to do that.
Yeh because fingerprint scanners on your phone always work
Apparently people don't understand that. What if the battery dies? Now you're fucked.
Samson Simson I have a Nexus, the scanner works every time, my hand can be entirely saturated with water, and it'll work flawlessly. moisture doesn't change your fingerprint dude, you're doing something very wrong if this is the case for you.
I have a Galaxy S7 Edge & it works like >95% of the time lol
vetren23 they've always worked for me.
Not in every scenario.
Talk about poor gun handling...
Stellar Moig exactly my thought, suprised the ATF guy didn't say anything about the finger on the trigger. He's a left wing reporter though so it's not very surprising to be honest.
I wasn't surprised that he did it, considering that he just about flinched every time he said the word 'gun.' I was surprised that VICE was so tone deaf as to leave it in, though.
Stellar Moig It's not like he regularly goes to the shooting range
Stellar Moig It's not like he regularly goes to the shooting range or handles guns to know how
Truth
So basically a dude reporting on the accidental shooting of a child, nearly accidentally shot his cameraman point blank with a Thompson @8:15.
:facepalm:
"Handle that, see how it feels, it's a good conversation piece."
Love it.
I don't have a problem with people wanting and buying smart guns. I have a problem with people being forced to buy smart guns instead of a traditional guns.
Curt D And who is forcing you exactly? Is is the scarewy government (full of normal citizens) that gonna take away your little toys? Aww so sad. Such paranoia
U know guns have locks with a password? That little metal u put on the trigger, it has a password right? Ok so imagine a smart gun has a password. What's the difference between the two?
THELIONGUY1981 because like anything electronic it can and will fail and if you can’t rely on it working or it takes you thirty seconds to turn it on before you use than what’s the point in carrying it?
Curt D yes
Curt D being forced is bullshit
Electronics fail far too often.... This is why the firearms community rejects so strongly introducing electronics into a tool that your life very well may depend on..... Prime example.... The fingerprint sensor on the Glock..... What if you have blood on your hands.... Considering that you are in a situation that calls for life dependency on your firearm this is not an unlikely scenario at all.... The ring.... Again considering you are in a fight for your life your ring could very easily be dislodged and or you need to fire the weapon in a manor that doesnt place your finger in the exact location to fire the gun.....
We don't reject electronics, we LOVE electronic sights & lights with surprisingly complex circuitry. I bet YOU have at least 1 electronic attachment of some kind. We mostly just don't want laws forcing our choices. Plenty of gun owners are well within their rights to not want any system which might lock them out of using their gun. Some gun folks may actually want it, similar to the biometric safes. But it needs to be a personal choice NOT a government mandate.
A smart gun can always be modified into (or back into) a simple mechanical firearm (or it's original status/configuration. That is the problem. What would have saved her son's life, is a responsible parent.
8:25
Didnt know it was going to do that hehe
Yeah... ha ha haha
lol just leave your finger on the trigger at all times
At 13:49 they talk about how good the HK416 is, and yet you can see a jam with the bolt partially forward lol.
Was just about to comment that, lol. Start hammering on the forward assist, that'll fix it for sure!
This is supposed to be a discussion of Smart Guns, but they don't even accurately show the other side.
They dismiss of fears of government enforcement but completely fail to mention that its already Law in NJ that if any smart gun is sold in the state, every sale or transfer of a NON-smart gun becomes illegal after three years.
They focus around a mother that has lost her son, but don't discuss defensive gun users or the risks that a smart gun adds in those situations (case in point, Amal's rifle needing to be unlocked every shot, or the fact that the Armatix was very unreliable).
I don't even disagree with the technology, but there are relevant, important issues that need to be addressed and this piece ignored them for their own bias.
Let's touch upon defensive guns. In the case of either of the newer ones (Kae and Mossberg's) you can actually prevent someone from getting shot by their own firearm in case they are disarmed. The original wave had obvious issues that impeded efficient use, but the newer ones aren't necessarily that bad. The government enforcement is a valid issue, though if it does become legislation, that would obviate the argument against it being unreliable since all companies would have to invest in more robust technology.
You know that law in NJ was pushed through by anti gun control lobbyists?
bo hamburgers except thats wrong. It was sponsored by Joe Palaia who was a strong advocate for gun control.
Even if it wasn't wrong, it still would be important to discuss
did you even watch the video? the fkin dumb gunshop owner talks shit all the time
Very simple scenario: You pull your gun to defend yourself and the guy opposing you somehow manages to disarm you. (through martial arts, sheer luck or whatever... doesn't really matter)
smartgun = you're kinda safe
regular gun = you're fucked
You'd have to be pretty damn stubborn to say that this (at least if the technology is solid) is an added risk instead of a safety feature and safety should always be the #1 priority for any sane gun owner.
I'll save you the trouble, the magnet. lol
what am i going to do when the terminator tries to kill me and i cant shoot my gun because Skynet disabled my guns?
7:23 is why people get killed by guns on accident
*by accident
it always makes me cringe when americans say "on accident" too lol
its spreading, sadly. i read something about an approximate age where the switch over happened. the hypothesis is that something in pop culture influenced a large portion of the population at a specific age, and it just continued until the misuse became so widespread it entered the lexicon. the way literally has come to mean its own opposite. illiteracy literally kills me :P i also find it especially dreadful when americans, that presumably can only speak the one language, mangle english so badly. ie alot, yall
Forsooth, verily, forsooth I say! These bootless colonists are as distemperate as they are dim.
Wherefore are they calling that which every god fearing gentleman knows to be a horseless carriage, an "automobile" or mayhap worse a "car".
Harrumph!
Was it secured? "no" *exactly poor handling*
It's secure, because no own can kill a smart gun owner by his own gun. No burglar can kill you by your own gun store at home. It's not about miss handling. It's about no to by kill by some one else that took your gun. I support the smart gun.
In broken English I don't know what I am talking about
Mathieu Belanger-Camden what fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the times someone is killed is it by there own gun. Come on stop the bullshit
A thief can get around a biometric fingerprint reader by STEALING THE FINGERPRINT THAT IS GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE IN THE HOUSE. There's a reason fingerprint readers are convenient but impractical as a security solution. It might stop a thief from disarming you and shooting you with your own gun, but anyone trained to disarm usually unloads the gun while they're disarming so nobody gets shot. Finally, if the biometric reader fails for any reason, you can't fire your own weapon. Put the fingerprint reader on the holster or gun case, not the gun itself, end of story.
Ever heard of Metal Gear Solid? The lore of that game has smart guns. It's used to justify an unlock system, but it actually has massive sweeping effects on the world. Hackers can make guns useless. Rebellion is impossible.
Total and complete control over guns by anybody makes it impossible to defeat them. They would then have complete and absolute power. This is why smart guns are a breach of freedom. It would be like giving people nukes that don't damage your own people. It would be catastrophic. Tyranny would prevail.
Democrat politicians all calling for smart guns yet they won’t allow their security or the secret service to protect them with one. Hypocrisy at its finest.
NightfireOP it's simple to make a "smart" gun. just make the trigger a finger scanner. and it will only unlock when the guns owners finger is on the trigger. they just need it to unlock faster
ovoxo you clearly don't see how technology works you can't just stick a finger print scanner on the trigger there's not enough room to house the tech
Hazed false. my smart phones small homebutton is only 3/4 inches long and 1/3 inch long. its capable of finger scanning and its small than a trigger. I'm sure if large-ness is a problem someone can make it smaller
ovoxo see when it comes to technology you seriously can't say "I'm sure someone can make it smaller" yeah they possibly might but the fact that it isn't after all these phone company's constantly trying to make it smaller says something, also it's not just the sensor thing about the stuff behind it and the rest of the hardware involved
Hazed thats all what technology is though. the first computer was the size of average truck (maybe bigger) now look we have computers that are the size of a composition book! smaller everything drastically. I'm just saying it can be done
The test that I’ve seen every electronic safe guarded firearm fail is a disabling of the electronics most commonly by magnets.
8:22 Holy shit, did he just dry fire at his live camera man?
lol "I am dumb and I need smart gun because I do not know what triggers do."
MaximGhost lol yes, yes he did.
No, he dry fired a Tommy that's worth over 40,000 USD.
People with common sense killed the smart gun.
Calling politicians people with common sense is aiming a little high, don't you think?
The smart gun contradicts what anyone wants in a gun. It is SO prone to failure.
@@ironmatic1 youre generalizing.
Theres def a market for these. it just isn't a finish product no one buys prototypes.
Complete violation of safe firearms handling. As a Cardinal Rule, YOU NEVER, EVER point a firearm (even though it may be unloaded toward anyone. One should always consider even an unloaded firearm as loaded.
8:20
Ya let's have a guy that doesn't even know basic gun safety to make a documentary about guns safety...
The only thing that makes a gun 'smart' is the one holding it.
Mark Sullivan Lol true.
Yeah, if you're smart you will weigh the pros and cons of the design and features of the device. A smart person will pick the best designed device to use which in some cases will be not the one you would pick.
What if the gun gains sentience
Mark Sullivan takes one to know one.
Wheetun Mulbee
Then we need to capture it and study it to reproduce the results and find the mythical gun that kills people.
As a gun owner, the 1 attribute a firearm has that is overwhelmingly important to me is reliability. A device specifically designed to act as an electronic gun lock scares the hell out of me. Electronics fail...can be hacked...can be misused. How much of this tech is designed as a "safety" device, and how much of it is designed as a way of "controlling" citizens in a near future of 2nd amendment revision/absolution. A bad guy gets a hold of 1 of these....that tech is getting chopped out in short order.
I gotta say you cant hack sometihng that issent online, and yes it is made to controll citizens, the country clealy needs it.
@@4450krank you can physically "hack" things by physically affecting the guns computer
@@shanepurcell8376 Yeah i thought of it after, but it was too late at night to keep going.
@@shanepurcell8376 theyd have to get ahold of it first.
Let's just be honest America cares more about their guns than they do their kids..
Love the interviewer lol
Yeah lets put computers in all the guns, so we can just all be rendered defenseless to an EMP.
Make all cops use smart guns before passing any laws pushing them on citizens.
The way he handles guns is cringe worthy.
Also if people who operate and sell guns daily think a smart gun won't work. Why would someone who doesn't know much about guns know better than them?
Saying that somebody who uses something is going to be an expert on it is completely ridiculous. People don't know the first thing about the phones they use every single day
They know how to use it but they won't know about the cutting edge technology. Smart guns could definitely work, something so simple as an NFC tag could work, because that could actually fix stupid. People underestimate how reliable their technology is.
Or you could just introduce gun insurance and storage laws...
Appeal to Authority, nah buddy
You know why they won't work. It is called the black market.
@muuraaay Why is it that you want people defensless? Also your analogy sux, why should people trust your judgment when you have shown your inability to reason? Logic much? (sorry for all the questions)
@Dallas Sherman excellent point, i could only make it to 1:29 before gag reflexes kicked in and i had to bail out, "jounalism" for softheaded npc types, barf.
Not surprised at all to read about his cringey skills, its just so stereotypical of his type, sad
13:23 "Heckler and Coke" lmao sounds like a comedy club
I don't get it? That's how it's pronounced.
*Koch
7:20 that man sounds like a hell of an agent. So calm, man he is cool like ice.
Murphy's law #78: The complexity of a weapon is inversely proportional to the IQ of the weapon's operator.
I wonder how upset Ian from Forgotten Weapons would be knowing this knob had access to all of those historic firearms in the vault and cared so little about it.
2:44 (nods solemnly) "wuth it thecured?"
I know it's been 3 years but man I feel for mother. Utltimately the owner's of the gun that killed her son are what led to her son being killed. Have the gun in a lockable safe and that boy never would've gotten access to it
9:13 And that's why banning guns is stupid because anyone could make one
The Pope but still, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, etc haven't had a school shooting since they implemented gun control.
Also, nobody's saying to ban guns, you plumsack. Literally all anyone wants to do is make sure people who shouldn't have guns can't buy guns. This has worked everywhere it's been tried. Your "good guy with a gun" idea hasn't worked. Over and over again it has failed.
Except the good guy with a gun does work, almost every single mass shooting happens in a gun free sone where it is illegal to have them already. Why don't you hear more about the good guy stoping crimes? Well, what is a more sensational story, Potential double homicide stoped by a good guy, or twenty plus people dead stay tuned for updates?
Ben Dover you know what they do have? Exhorbinant amounts of other attacks such as: knifings, car bombings, cars running through crowds, acid attacks, etc.
Also; every single gun control advocate I have spoken to has advocated for a complete gun ban, so stop trying to cover up your true intentions.
@@BenDover-me4fpthe UK is banning knives and confiscating spoons because attacks and murders have only changed in nature, not stopped. They have had acid attacks. New Zealand has had mass shootings. Japan doesn't have much of a gun culture in large part to their general culture. Then there's the media's love affair with the Australian gun buyback. Australia had a decline in gun deaths that went unaffected by the buyback and they never had an issue with school shootings. They had one mass shooting, reacted, and then there hasn't been another. The correlation is weak as they never had an issue with it in the first place.
Also, the good guy with a gun concept is a reality. Good guys include the police. A police officer who shoots an active shooter is a good guy stopping a shooting with a gun of his own. There are multiple stories of citizens doing the same from the texan that stopped a church shooting to others who never had to fire the gun as the attacker turned and ran. There are plenty of videos on youtube to find examples of this.
8:22 That dryfire hurt my soul.
could have killed his own cameraman... he is like that six year old in the beginning
he was probably told it wasn't loaded. notice how he said he didn't expect it to click? probably didn't think it was charged/cocked if it wasn't loaded
nah i think he just didn't expect it cause every gun he fucked with up until that point was safe with the action open
TheUVHippo but the safety should be checked on every gun EVERY time
So what's the problem with the dry firing? I appreciate guns but have never got into them myself. Does the dry firing impact the mechanicals more than firing a live round?
When it said "SMARTER GUNS" at 1:10 I thought that shell was about to land a flip
I think you're trying to gloss over or ignore problems that seriously compromise the safety of the smart gun concept. I am in favor of the concept of a gun that only I can use; don't get some idea that I want smart guns to fail. I like the idea that if I had a pistol for concealed carry, and I were to be overpowered and the weapon stolen, that it wouldn't be usable to the criminal who took it. BUT the issues that can occur make the current status of the smart gun unsafe for the mass market and either defeat the purpose or make the weapon unusable when it needs to be. And it is un-Constitutional to mandate that all privately-owned firearms have smart tech. And last of all, the primary advocates for smart gun tech are tech developers before gun owners, with few exceptions.
For starters, most or all of the suggested solutions are electronic, and therefore require a power source for the weapon, and an additional power source for any external device used to unlock the weapon. Suppose that one or both power sources fails or are disconnected. In one of your other pieces, Amal Graafstra stated that his idea of an RFID-unlocked smart gun would be set to either "fail-safe" or "fail-secure" by the owner in advance of a power failure. If the weapon fail-safed, then it would be able to fire without being unlocked, which would defeat the purpose of the smart gun mechanism. Worse still, someone acquiring that weapon unlawfully would only have to disconnect the power source and hope the weapon was set to fail-safe. However, if the weapon were to fail-secure, then a power failure at the wrong time would make the weapon unusable when its owner would need it.
Next, comes all the issues with weapons activated by an external device, such as the Armatix iP1 with its watch and Graafstra's RFID implant. So obviously, with the Armatix example of a watch or ring or other jewelry, that unlocking device would only have to be stolen along with the gun. But it is not impossible to create a transmitting device that puts out the same signal as the jewelry or implant. It's also not impossible for a jammer to be used to block the signal between the jewelry/implant and the gun, making it unusable even when the unlocking device is within range. A hacker named Plore did both of these to the Armatix, which he demonstrated for WIRED; with some technical know-how, he made the firearm usable when it shouldn't be and not usable when it should be. But he took it a step further by using some cheap magnets to unlock the gun without the unlocking device or transmitter, by exploiting the mechanism that is activated and deactivated by the locking device. Jonathan Mossberg's iGun is even more open to exploitation; if the device used to unlock it is magnetic, then less technical knowledge is needed to crack it, as one would only need the magnet to do so. And while Graafstra's RFID implant is an improvement in that the unlocking device cannot be stolen, it is still subject to the same problems as the Armatix, possibly even including the magnet exploit.
And even Kai Kloepfer's smart gun is imperfect. It is an improvement over the above concepts in that it utilizes something that an external device cannot replicate like with the concepts above: the shooter's middle fingerprint. Putting aside that the fingerprint sensor requires a power source, it requires a precise and exact grip placement to activate. That is an unrealistic expectation for somebody in a self-defense situation in which their life is in danger. A common problem in CCW training is that an improper grip can disturb the shooter's aim, so the flaw that could make Kloepfer's smart gun unusable when it needs to be usable has existed far longer than the smart gun itself. Additionally, the Glock frame that Kloepfer showed you, as he stated, limited the weapon to only single-stack magazines and decreased its capacity, something no gun owner should be made to deal with. Finally, Kloepfer's smart gun may even be vulnerable to the magnet exploit.
I will admit, none of these problems interfere with the safe storage of a firearm with children in the home. Any would prevent a young child from discharging the firearm. But the problem is simple and these solutions are increasingly complex, when one would suffice: make the guns inaccessible to children in the first place. A responsible parent need only educate their child on safe handling and use a safe or a locked room or a standard trigger lock to ensure that the child can't access the gun without supervision. And the above problems with smart guns are apparent when looking at the whole picture, in which a firearm is used for self-defense in public or at home; smart guns only address the problem of accidents and crimes committed when someone steals a firearm.
Lastly is the issue of mandated adoption. I understand that none of the inventors featured in the video were suggesting that, but other inventors and politicians are. Firstly, the current state of smart guns is such that it's unsafe to require their tech be used with all firearms. Secondly, this is unreasonable and impractical for owners of antique guns, which have massive historical value, mechanisms that are not compatible with this type of technology, or both. Are they to be exempted, defeating the purpose, or is a confiscation to be executed? And what about the security threat created? Again, I acknowledge that no tracking or registry is suggested, but it would not be a vast leap for such to be linked to smart guns. Some tech developers have suggested the use of blockchain to create a registry for guns and gun owners. And from there, the government would demand the ability to control smart gun mechanisms, as has occurred in multiple disputes between the FBI and Apple over access to Apple devices. If this occurs, whichever government agency or agencies that control privately-owned smart guns would have the power to shut one or all of them down at any time for any reason, and then track them to the owner's location. The power that would grant to the government is un-Constitutional to an unfathomable degree.
And while the inventors featured in this video are proposing their smart gun technologies as safeties rather than as gun control, there are other inventors and politicians who are not gun owners, who advocate for smart guns as a gun control measure and do not understand guns. They overlook all the problems I've mentioned above and wouldn't recognize the un-Constitutional nature of mandated adoption. Simply put, you cannot expect people who don't know anything about guns to write laws about them and for the result to be good for anybody. Even you, the journalist who made this documentary, demonstrated incompetence in the handling of firearms several times, mostly with poor trigger discipline, and particularly when you negligently dry-fired that M1928 Thompson at 8:22 and said "I didn't think it was gonna do that". It is a beggar's belief that someone who can't even properly handle a gun has the solution to gun violence in any form.
Again, I want to see smart guns succeed. I want this tech to make my weapons usable to me and me alone. But now is not the time for the smart gun to be introduced; for the desired effect on gun violence and accidents, a smart gun concept must be able to overcome every problem I have listed above with ZERO tolerance for error, the technology must be an optional purchase rather than mandated, and the Supreme Court needs to rule that the government cannot and will not abuse the tech for the purpose of control over gun owners. Otherwise, a smart gun will be no safer than any other gun, and all the time and effort and funding will have cost lives.
Armatix iP1 hacked by Plore (th-cam.com/video/ANllOmgJH9Y/w-d-xo.html)
Amal Graafstra and RFID lock (th-cam.com/video/cHCVlLrKYJM/w-d-xo.html)
Summary of FBI-Apple encryption dispute (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_dispute)
Blockchain gun registry (futurism.com/blockchain-gun-control)
Edit: I don't know how I forgot to mention it, but a fingerprint-activated smart gun would be unusable if the carrier was wearing gloves in the winter or to protect their hands while working.
A smart gun is one loose wire from just being a paper weight.
Maybe once you show me the technology works and is affordable, then you can convince me. Until then I'll stick to the weapon that saved my life.
Ya let the police and military carry them for a year or two and then maybe we can have a discussion
No one is telling you to own one. Every device in your life has benefited from technological advances except your gun.
djrx
That is factually incorrect and dishonest. Guns have, for many years, made several ‘technological advances’ and will keep doing so. It’s just none of them have unreliable electronics in them so you write that of as not being technology.
Do you know how many times my phone couldn't read my finger print and I had to unlock manually? It happens all the time. Now apply that to a very high stress situation, but there is no manual way to make it work. If it fails, you're so screwed.
God forbid I forget to charge my gun over night 😂
I updated my software on my phone and the fingerprint reader lost reliability, imagine if your life depended on the gun with a reader.
When the first smartphones came out, companies denied they could be hacked at all.
If these come out, there's a good possibility the companies could deny the possibility of failures with their design. What would happen if a smart gun was stolen, exploited, and used to kill someone? Since it's a, "smart" gun, the suspects would be narrowed down to the owner of the gun; since companies hate to admit any flaw with their designs, criminals could get off - possibly without a proper investigation.
This is an anti-gun hit-piece. If you have heard anti-gun arguments before, you will find nothing new in this video. Spend your time more wisely.
Any data on how fast these systems are? 1 second is a looong time during a fire fight.
Wait, did you just dry fire that thompson?
I'm conflicted watching this. you showed us some great potential technologies. I am a gun owner who would gladly buy a gun with a reliable technology.
but you truly did not even address your title question. "who killed the smart gun". and you may have heard this many times already.
the answer is politicians pushing for their implementation. the same politicians who push for these technologies would not hesitate to use it as a mandate to ban every other gun either from sale or outright "confiscation" of anything without the tech. that is the thing that has people like the shop owner frightened to death.
it's not that gun owners don't want this technology, because many of us do. its that the possible cost of it coming to market is literally every other gun you own, and for many that is a huge investment that the government is willing to take from you.
It's about not letting unauthorized users steal your gun and use it. what don't y'all get? if it you don't want it, say you don't care and move on.
90% of comments says:
All gun owners are smart and never makes mistakes,. but when gun accidents happen blames the gun owner for not being smart enough (bad handling, poor training, did not secure the weapon) well which is it
Gun guy:
compares forgetting guns on the table with forgetting poison on the table
If I were there:
Yes I too go to the rat poison range every week
Serious respect for a well reported, reasonably partisan doco. Please keep this up VICE.
At the start of 7:54 this guy starts talking about how a gun works, and it shows him with his finger on the trigger for every gun he's holding. Then at 8:22 he fucking pulls the god dam trigger while looking at the camera man and laughs it off like it was nothing. Then he says "I did not think it was going to do that", as you put it "gun accidents devastating communities nationwide" but what did your guy do? If there was a round in the chamber it could have killed the camera guy. @ Motherboard, you want to talk about gun safety, then show it. Your guy did not show any gun safety, if you want to give something informative, first show that you know what you are doing.
This^
The problem is they think everybody is stupid and is incapable of handling things safely. To them, gun safety is not avoidance of certain actions, it is simply features that make it harder for stupid people to hurt themselves and others. The same goes for cars, motorcycles, etc. They're just moralizing bullies.
Imagine having a smartgun running on batteries:
*You are carrying your gun with a CCW permit and all of a sudden someone tries to rob you, you pull out your gun and...* _Out of batteries, recharge before fire_
Randomly pans to interviewers serial killer face while lady talks about her kid dying.
When I was watching this I came up with with an idea that might be called a goodish brainstorm product. We could use a self powering circuit, so no batteries. The current would be produced by the phenomena of triboelectricity, which is what happens when someone has wool socks and slides across carpet(static). Only it wouldn't be produced by slippers but rather the action of pulling a two stage trigger. As the trigger is being pulled through the first phase, charge is produced via the contact of moving parts. This would be the source of power for a transmitter to send out a pulse(sonic/electromagnetic) and essentially look at the person who is holding the gun. The gun then recieves the signal that corresponds to the owners posture/fore arm size/something unique. In that instant while the locking device is still in operation(before the gun is about to fire it is decided whether the gun should fire or not. If it isn't the owner pulling the trigger then its a dead gun.
Of course it's just an idea but I'd say something like it could be done. Though maybe not with that power source. A better alternative would be the heat absorbed through the grip from the potential shooters hand.
Your trigger discipline is abysmal at best.
8:22 pulls trigger at cameraman
As with all engineering of everything, the KISS law applies. If you are violating Keep It Simple Stupid, you're probably not selling a viable product.
38:47 Did he take off his car airbag? lol
u made my fukin day LOL
And I'm assuming the battery will just magically always stay charged?
He said The bio hacked implant is triggered by magnetic fields
You could have at least found someone who is moderately competent in firearms. Instead you get this jagoff of a hobbit who accidentally pulls the trigger on a $40,000 rifle at his cameraman in front of an ATF officer.
You wonder why gun owners are notoriously resistant to this technology? It is because once this technology becomes available, New Jersey will require every firearm be retrofitted and every new gun have that technology included. It is unreasonable, it will be a de factor gun ban/gun grab.
Every single one of these firearms has their drawbacks. The "bio-hack" p90 is a one-person gun without surgery. The MIT kid's gun means you'll be unable to shoot this gun with gloves one. iGunn will introduce a ton of knickknacks that will be easily lost. Armatix is viable but the gun and watch will need to be charged. Besides, these people's targets are those who don't buy guns, who don't want them in their house, and those who are otherwise afraid of them.
I'm going to contradict what I just said, but I wouldn't mind buying that shotgun or that p90. It is neat. But you won't find many gun owners who are willing to throw an entire state under the bus just to have one of these.
Rusty Shackleford I think you meant jackoff lol
Vice has the weirdest journalists.
Slaps a fingerprint reader in a glock "INNOVATION"
I am a resident of NJ. NJ has a law called The NJ Childproof Handgun bill. This bill is the main impediment to creating smart gun technology i this country. This law requires than 3 years after a smart gun is produced gun dealers can only sell smart guns whether there is a demand for them or not.
I can answer that question real fast. It is simply this. If your life depended on opening your smart phone while being attacked, would you trust it? Are you willing to place your life in the hands of a computer chip? Firearms are already subject to malfunction. Computers would only add another variable with potential to fail.
I admit... I had to laugh when he said, "Stupid is something that we cannot fix... educate people!"
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(Side note: I do understand and agree with the point he was trying to make.)
8:20 he pulls the trigger and says "I didn't think it was gonna do that" 🙄