@@develynseether4426 Well, technically... As we know the Stargate was transported from Egypt during WWII so the Nazis cannot get their hands on it. Therefore he is not far off and could be exactly right with that number. I mean historically this is correct. Don't forget that the US experimented with the gate during the war as they assumed this to be a weapon. So he could have gone through this during the war. It adds up.
I feel for Daniel Jackson in this episode in this scene. It's unfortunate the writers didn't allow him to be a kid in the candy store as long as he wanted. Instead he was rudely and very meanly kicked out!
I can't really remember as I watched all 10 seasons at least 10 years ago, did they ever find information similar to this elsewhere? or was a lot of it lost here?
@@trif55 If you remember the Asguard gave humanity, when they became the fifth race, its entire body of knowledge, they had the Atlantis database of the ancients. Those repositories probably contained most, if not all, of the knowledge here. by the end of SG1 earth had the power of the Asguard and the Ancients combined. Undoubtedly making Earth the single most powerful race in the entire universe at that point! Where do you go from there?
@@ZeroRyoko The Asgard knowledge base was quite possibly better than The Ancients. It was certainly more up to date. The database from Atlantis is only current up to when they abandoned the city. And sure, the Atlantis database had tons of information in it, but it didnt have information on a number of topics that came after. Like the anti-Orai devices. Also Atlantis had alot of scientific data on projects that led the team into just as much trouble as it helped them out of. Sure you can chock that up to writing, but that's still the examples we have to go off of. The Asgard database probably had information on this elemental communication system. I dont think we ever saw another reference to this system of communicating in the series after this episode. Which is a shame. I get why we didnt. Creating a new language, even the rudiments of it would be a daunting task.
One of my favorite episodes. S01E10 I believe. "The torment of Tantalus". Daniel finds some old video recordings from 1945, showing a man crossing the Stargate. After identifying the address, the team decides to investigate wether he is still alive and can be rescued.
@@explorinjenkins349 it is a building that's actually overhanging a sea coast - so fish ,crabs, whatever maybe further inland eatable fruits , vegetables, small animals to hunt, he was very thin though so maybe a little scared to try new foods because of unknown poisons , bacteria, viruses, or food allergies. But he DID survive 50 yrs he is a tough old guy.
At the end of this episode after escaping they tried to get a lock on the stargate but couldn't accepting that the building was destroyed and lying at the bottom of the ocean so there would be no point going back with ships
@@deondewit3175 That's based on the very pessimistic assumption that the technology was completely destroyed. Impossible to know unless they actually bothered to check. Assumptions are the mother of all f*** ups.
Alegost1 I’m sure they did, it was simply never mentioned in the show. Although the building seemed to be collapsing when SG1 left, so it’s possible that there was nothing left to salvage.
They pulled the device apart to use its power source to power the gate. Although if it were plot important they would find a way to get it working again :P
They also had other SG teams, so once they've determined there wasn't any other danger than the possibility of collapse, they've could sent an engineering and science team.
@aleghost1 if memory serves, the place collapsed right after they slid through the Stargate like sliders, LOL. Then there's was that impending furious and destructive storm was simply going to level it not only the place where they were at but the whole area. I feel for Daniel Jackson, a kid in a candy store and he wasn't allowed to take advantage of it. THOSE DARN WRITERS
Chemical errata: IS the number of PROTONS in the atomic nuclei what indicates the element. The number of electrons indicates the chemical element only if the element is neutral (not ionized). The limit of the current periodic table is 118 (circa 2015). Theoretically, it is speculated if the limit is Z=137, Z=126, Z=173 or there is no end...
Zijkhal You are wrong about ions and so is J. F. G. H.. An ion is still considered an atom if it is monoatomic. Just as a polyatomic ion is still considered a molecule. So No, the number of protons and number of electrons in atoms can never be used interchangeably when determining which element it is. Regardless of if it is an ion or not, an atom's element is exclusively determined by number of protons.
@@Yogsothoth85 Look at the representation in the show. They show nuclei as lumps of protons and neutrons. You can't count them because you only see the outer layer. Now electrons, wich in elements are the same number as protons, you can technically see and count, allthough it seems a bit difficult going beyond a couple dozen.
@@Eckendenker CGI from someone who may have failed chemistry. Ions and isotopes are common, which vary the electrons and neutrons respectively, only the number of protons is consistent and capable of categorizing the elements.
0:57 trying to figure out how to fix all those components is basically partially reverse engineering it in the process. Thank goodness they aren't stuck with a Pegasus gate that they're unable to dial without electronics.
Everyone: wow it's chemical combinations Jack: *tries to touch it with his gun Also jack: excuse me are you saying that all these things are a comic...thing?
The thing is Jack knows what the periodic table of elements is, he almost certainly can't recite them all by rote but he's definitely playing it up a little here.
The smart thing, would been them to record all the "pages" and analyze it later. Or, later, try return to the planet and recover the things the shifting terrain made lost. (Several the races involved in that "council" had some disturbingly sturdy stuff. So, that device was probably still functional, even after the collapse.)
Here's a question if the Asgard knew the Ancients which we know they did how come they didn't know about the ancient outpost on earth, or about Atlantis? Also, the Ancients had powerful allies that were nearly as advanced as they were how come they didn't ask for their help when the Wraith became a real problem?
Asgard civilization is 100,000 years old. The Ancients left the Milky Way millions of years ago, and only came back ten thousands years ago. The Ancients basically abandoned Earth after they returned. Stories would have been told though.
The Alterans who left the galaxy a million years ago would have been "The Ancients" described by the Asgard as the builders of the Stargate network. This pre-dates the Asgard civilization by a magnitude of ten. The race who congregated as one of the Four Races here must have been their Lantean descendants who were evicted from the Pegasus Galaxy by the Wraith War and left Earth via the Antarctic gate when they found the human inhabitants too primitive (as described by Ganos Lal during "The Pegasus Project")
Just because you’re allies and you trust each other doesn’t mean you know about all their secret advanced bases which each house weapons of incredible power
To be fair, there are entire countries in our few thousands years of recorded history that we're not even sure of the location of or what really happened to them.
They probably checked out various runic writings, but most of those on the wall are in the old hungarian alphabet: www.google.hu/search?q=hebrew+alphabet&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizkNX0m6vQAhXI3iwKHbFgB-0Q_AUICCgB&biw=1056&bih=517#tbm=isch&q=rov%C3%A1s%C3%ADr%C3%A1s&imgrc=6hJK17RbB_cSaM%3A
The Asgard are based on Norse/Germanic myths, and those runes are clearly Norse runes, they correspond 100% to the Norse runic alphabet. The various runic alphabets share similarities due to needing to be cut into stone making straight lines the best options for letters. However the letters on the wall are not Hungarian runic, they are Norse runic. The Asgard are Norse and the runes are all in the Norse runic alphabet.
Stargate wiki "The runes used to write the Asgard language resemble a mixture of the Elder Futhark used by the ancient Germanic peoples of northern Europe and the Norse of Scandinavia, and the Anglo-Saxon Futhark of England." Already confirmed long ago by production commentary, props, and millions of SG nerds, lol.
SG-1 was more a first contact explorer type team that also killed everyone needed and stuff. I would guess this planet was returned to as soon as they could with a actually full science team. This would be what I would base a book off of if not a whole series. As for the 4th race my guess would be they where the oldest and first to discover faster them light travel as we know the ancients built the gate network or at least added to it. This missing 4th race could have been the ones that first built it and the ancients just continued it for all we know. Again something a great book or series of books could be written from this place. Remember the Asguard said that man kind was the 4th race so one better what if it is man kind that went back into time and was the original race and they just have yet to go back?
Mankind are the fifth race, according to the Asgard. There's the ancients, the Nox, the Asgard, and the Furlings, the latter we never got to see in any episodes. There's actually an SG-1 episode named "The fifth race". stargate.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fifth_Race
@@SGtidbits we only saw furling Technology. Like the teleportation Arch and control/key device in the episode „Paradise Lost“. I always liked the idea that the Goauld stole lots of their tech from the Furlings and the Ancients
It just occurred to me, but Ernest shouldn't be aware of the United Nations. While he did travel through the Stargate in the same year as its founding, it's unlikely he's make reference to it as it wouldn't be ratified and made official until towards the end of the year. It was announced before this in the media, of course, but an official title was not given till ratification. Given the project was in operation during WW2, it's likely he disappeared through the gate early in the year and not the end. So his journal should be referencing the League of Nations, rather than the United Nations.
like, at all. I'm not even sure how that would help someone translate someone else's language anyway. You know some words, but that doesn't necessary tell you enough about how things are written or spoken.
I get that the gate dropped off a cliff and into the ocean or water. but couldn't they have returned their once they had spaceships. to study the planet and maybe the ruins more. might even be able to get the gate working again and uncovered more stuff about the missing 4th alien race. edit - Later on when Jack first has the Ancients database in his head and goes to the Asgard for help. they say there was once 4 races that built a great alliance the 4th being Furlings.
@@LordSpleach Later on when Jack first has the Ancients database in his head and goes to the Asgard for help. they say there was once 4 races that built a great alliance the 4th being Furlings.
Laughing at all the basement dwellers trying to sound smart stating you need to count protons to determine the element. Let me save you some time. In ELEMENTS the number of electrons is equal to the number of protons. That only changes when dealing with ions and isotopes.
4 super advanced species couldn't create technology that'd translate between four languages? If you can create an intergalactic hyperdrive you can create a translating machine.
Creating a translator is far different from creating a universal language itself. That universal language would be the very building blocks of everything in the universe.
Not necessarily true. Star Trek TNG addresses the complexity of language in the episode "Darmok"... not just with the communication barrier between the two captains, but in general. Counselor Troi pointing out the concept of translation is extremely difficult. If you pick up a cup of coffee and say a work, and the other person is trying to translate what you mean, they may infer "coffee". But you could mean "cup", or "dark", or "hot", or any other number of descriptors for the object. It's not until you have repetitive descriptors for one specific common reference point, while other common descriptors have been systematically eliminated, that you can have a likely translation. That's why the concept of Linguacode was a necessity for universal translation, as in "Here's a translation matrix for common words in our language." This is similar, as the elements are representative of the most common structure for any race... these elements exist, no matter where in the known universe you come from. A race's representation of those elements now becomes a commonality for translation between any language, so long as those languages have a similar format (alphanumeric vs. pictograph). If you had a similar format representation, for example Binary to ASCII and similar representation (binary being a necessity for machine code and would be another constant for any race that uses electric circuit based technology, eg on/off), you have another component that can be used along with that universal connect to create a direct translation based off Binary code. But that's the hard way of doing it. In this format, any physical object can be identified through its chemical structure. A race's representation of water, for example, is going to be the same at the molecular level. Whatever a species calls water, is still represented by two hydrogen, one oxygen. While the words may be completely dissimilar, and the written representation even moreso, the chemical representation is the same and now can be incorporated into the translation matrix. And that applies to everything. No matter what a race calls something, it has the same chemical composition. The translation matrix goes from L1->PT->L2. Obviously, that only applies to a physical object representative of that chemical structure. So a glass as an object wouldn't be translatable through this matrix, but the glass as a material that makes up the object would be translatable.
I suspect this was really just part of a greater museum exhibit that had fallen into the sea. What's on the walls is just a the tour explaining the room in a few different languages, similar to how some exhibits on earth have plaques in multiple languages
and electrons don't revolve around the atom also a universal language does not have to be written in something everybody knows but everybody would have to be able to understand the meaning of what's written without having to know it so as long as they didn't plan on representing things by writing down every atom that makes it up...
@@Graymenn a theory that has been put to the test countless times and is the basis of how we predict the properties of elements and are used in creating things like transistors and diodes as well as metallurgy.
@@Graymenn Uh no. You can in fact see atoms with a transmission electron microscope we've also had images of atoms for decades now. A theory in science is one of the strongest most useful things you can have and no, it doesn't cease to be atomic theory because we know for a fact atoms exist. That's not what theory means in science.
@@shaun3423 I literally said hydrogen chloride is a combination of elements. The reason why is be because molecules are the result of unstable elements stabilizing.
@@InfernosReaper True, I guess I should have said non-ionic elements. While many are not found in nature in non-ionic form, they are depicted on the periodic table as such.
@@do_gotcha A useless distinction, ions are very common. It's like saying a clock works fine while being stuck on 12:00 pm just because it HAPPENS to currently be 12:00 pm. Electrons vary and form ions, neutrons vary and form isotopes. Protons are the only particle that is useful for distinguishing elements.
Sure, if we are limited in our minds to binary electronic computers. However if they used quantum computers the basic language could be based on atoms or electrons or quarks.
I mean, you show someone an atom and they'll probably get it, you show someone a string of zeroes and ones in your language which look different to their zeroes and ones they probably won't.
@@SGtidbits that is true I did see the similar DHD design but that pedestal probably had something better than a ZPM on account of the pedestal being up and operational for long before and after the four races constructed it
@@rogelioregalado2032 That's assuming it even needs all that much power, if you look at what ZPMs are used for typically they would be overkill for this.
This scene is as good as it is funny : A show were almost every human in the universe speak english And they do this scene about other languages. I love SG, but sometimes you can't pass through the necessities of the plot.
Well the place is about communication between very different evolved races like Asgard and Ancients, not between humans that the Goa'uld distributed as slaves between different planets.
Moreover, we know today that the Universe is mainly made NOT of atoms...but made of dark matter and dark energy. Atoms and photons or known particles in the SM (circa 2015)...can not make of the known Universe...So, unfortunately, the update of physics and chemistry oversedes this plot...
Not necessarily, the 4 allied ancient races wanted to create a universal language based off of the most basic and simplest known structures, so the atom, for all we know the structure of dark matter and energy is un-constant and fluctuates heavily, making it unreliable for a comprehensible language.
dark matter and dark energy is pure hypothesis and it was only proposed because their observations did not match their model, so instead of changing the model, they invented dark matter and dark energy out of thin air with absolutely no proof.
Watching this as a physicist, makes me laugh... you folks are clueless. like when the holographic map pops up and the woman says, "This is beautiful." lol!! Too funny.
As a physicist, even you would at least think the same thing that she said. Basic emotions come out first. Then once the frontal lobe of the brain kicks in, you would look at this from a more scientific POV.
@@jan_phd Someone who has the basic human appreciation for aesthetics? Why is it funny that she found it beautiful? I get getting annoyed by the archaeologist explaining how elements are figured out, but good lord that part just sounds like you're looking to be annoyed.
watching these clips just makes me want to sit down and just binge watch all 10 seasons.
Shiirow I thought the same and did it.
Mathematics biology physics and geometry are the universal language but we only know the tip of the universe iceberg
It was and still is a beautiful series.
All 10 season but season 9 and 10, I didn’t like the Ori, Arthur and Mitchel final ark.
Did anything stop you from doing that? 😏
imagine having the secrets of the universe right in front of you and not being able to understand it because you are too primitive and too short lived
111 elements during this episode. 118 now.
Well on our way to 146 then
It would be cool if we got to that number, and some alien race to us, and was like "you have learned the basic language for communication.
Except there was a goof. He said 90 when he last looked. If that was the case he must not have looked at a periodic table since 1939.
@@develynseether4426 pedantic me likes your comment.🤔
@@develynseether4426 Well, technically... As we know the Stargate was transported from Egypt during WWII so the Nazis cannot get their hands on it. Therefore he is not far off and could be exactly right with that number. I mean historically this is correct. Don't forget that the US experimented with the gate during the war as they assumed this to be a weapon. So he could have gone through this during the war. It adds up.
I feel for Daniel Jackson in this episode in this scene.
It's unfortunate the writers didn't allow him to be a kid in the candy store as long as he wanted.
Instead he was rudely and very meanly kicked out!
yeah, gotta have some tension somehow...
I can't really remember as I watched all 10 seasons at least 10 years ago, did they ever find information similar to this elsewhere? or was a lot of it lost here?
@@trif55 If you remember the Asguard gave humanity, when they became the fifth race, its entire body of knowledge, they had the Atlantis database of the ancients. Those repositories probably contained most, if not all, of the knowledge here. by the end of SG1 earth had the power of the Asguard and the Ancients combined. Undoubtedly making Earth the single most powerful race in the entire universe at that point! Where do you go from there?
@@ZeroRyoko thanks, yea I remembered Atlantis' library, I didn't think about how extensive it would be
@@ZeroRyoko The Asgard knowledge base was quite possibly better than The Ancients. It was certainly more up to date. The database from Atlantis is only current up to when they abandoned the city. And sure, the Atlantis database had tons of information in it, but it didnt have information on a number of topics that came after. Like the anti-Orai devices. Also Atlantis had alot of scientific data on projects that led the team into just as much trouble as it helped them out of. Sure you can chock that up to writing, but that's still the examples we have to go off of.
The Asgard database probably had information on this elemental communication system. I dont think we ever saw another reference to this system of communicating in the series after this episode. Which is a shame. I get why we didnt. Creating a new language, even the rudiments of it would be a daunting task.
One of my favorite episodes. S01E10 I believe. "The torment of Tantalus".
Daniel finds some old video recordings from 1945, showing a man crossing the Stargate. After identifying the address, the team decides to investigate wether he is still alive and can be rescued.
What the hell did he eat? Alien bugs?
@@explorinjenkins349 it is a building that's actually overhanging a sea coast - so fish ,crabs, whatever maybe further inland eatable fruits , vegetables, small animals to hunt, he was very thin though so maybe a little scared to try new foods because of unknown poisons , bacteria, viruses, or food allergies. But he DID survive 50 yrs he is a tough old guy.
- "This could take a lifetime"
- "More"
:D :D :D
- “Oh Sorry” 😕
Ernest is the GOAT
They unlocked space travel starting in season 6. They could have gone back to this planet. Even sooner using other vessels
Want the building destroyed?
At the end of this episode after escaping they tried to get a lock on the stargate but couldn't accepting that the building was destroyed and lying at the bottom of the ocean so there would be no point going back with ships
@@deondewit3175 That's based on the very pessimistic assumption that the technology was completely destroyed. Impossible to know unless they actually bothered to check. Assumptions are the mother of all f*** ups.
@@deondewit3175not if the Library was intact.
No way of knowing without going
@@Rensune If I may quote Teal'c: I believe you are correct.
i wonder why the sgc never returned here after they got ships with asgard upgrades....
Alegost1 I’m sure they did, it was simply never mentioned in the show. Although the building seemed to be collapsing when SG1 left, so it’s possible that there was nothing left to salvage.
I was thinking the exact same thing and the building collapsed but that tech could off still been there
They pulled the device apart to use its power source to power the gate. Although if it were plot important they would find a way to get it working again :P
They also had other SG teams, so once they've determined there wasn't any other danger than the possibility of collapse, they've could sent an engineering and science team.
@aleghost1 if memory serves, the place collapsed right after they slid through the Stargate like sliders, LOL. Then there's was that impending furious and destructive storm was simply going to level it not only the place where they were at but the whole area.
I feel for Daniel Jackson, a kid in a candy store and he wasn't allowed to take advantage of it. THOSE DARN WRITERS
daniel: this could take a life time
dude who spent a lifetime at the castle: more
Chemical errata: IS the number of PROTONS in the atomic nuclei what indicates the element. The number of electrons indicates the chemical element only if the element is neutral (not ionized). The limit of the current periodic table is 118 (circa 2015). Theoretically, it is speculated if the limit is Z=137, Z=126, Z=173 or there is no end...
@Evi1M4chine IONS. changing the number of electrons makes it an ion.
Zijkhal
You are wrong about ions and so is J. F. G. H.. An ion is still considered an atom if it is monoatomic. Just as a polyatomic ion is still considered a molecule. So No, the number of protons and number of electrons in atoms can never be used interchangeably when determining which element it is. Regardless of if it is an ion or not, an atom's element is exclusively determined by number of protons.
@@Yogsothoth85
Look at the representation in the show. They show nuclei as lumps of protons and neutrons. You can't count them because you only see the outer layer. Now electrons, wich in elements are the same number as protons, you can technically see and count, allthough it seems a bit difficult going beyond a couple dozen.
@@Eckendenker CGI from someone who may have failed chemistry. Ions and isotopes are common, which vary the electrons and neutrons respectively, only the number of protons is consistent and capable of categorizing the elements.
@Evi1M4chine Isotopes have different numbers of neutrons.
0:57 trying to figure out how to fix all those components is basically partially reverse engineering it in the process.
Thank goodness they aren't stuck with a Pegasus gate that they're unable to dial without electronics.
@John Doe great response to the comment. Its so sophisticated I cannot even fathom the relation between your response and the original comment.
@@Apokalypse456 lol
Everyone: wow it's chemical combinations
Jack: *tries to touch it with his gun
Also jack: excuse me are you saying that all these things are a comic...thing?
Atomic thing
Atomic thing
The thing is Jack knows what the periodic table of elements is, he almost certainly can't recite them all by rote but he's definitely playing it up a little here.
The smart thing, would been them to record all the "pages" and analyze it later. Or, later, try return to the planet and recover the things the shifting terrain made lost. (Several the races involved in that "council" had some disturbingly sturdy stuff. So, that device was probably still functional, even after the collapse.)
Here's a question if the Asgard knew the Ancients which we know they did how come they didn't know about the ancient outpost on earth, or about Atlantis? Also, the Ancients had powerful allies that were nearly as advanced as they were how come they didn't ask for their help when the Wraith became a real problem?
Asgard civilization is 100,000 years old. The Ancients left the Milky Way millions of years ago, and only came back ten thousands years ago.
The Ancients basically abandoned Earth after they returned. Stories would have been told though.
The Alterans who left the galaxy a million years ago would have been "The Ancients" described by the Asgard as the builders of the Stargate network. This pre-dates the Asgard civilization by a magnitude of ten.
The race who congregated as one of the Four Races here must have been their Lantean descendants who were evicted from the Pegasus Galaxy by the Wraith War and left Earth via the Antarctic gate when they found the human inhabitants too primitive (as described by Ganos Lal during "The Pegasus Project")
@@BogeyTheBear
Multiple millions of years you mean
Just because you’re allies and you trust each other doesn’t mean you know about all their secret advanced bases which each house weapons of incredible power
To be fair, there are entire countries in our few thousands years of recorded history that we're not even sure of the location of or what really happened to them.
watching these clips could take a lifetime!
Imagine when we have 948 more seasons in year 3000... plus 55 movies... -What the writers meant
0:20 - that's Asgardian writing on the wall. I know so because it's actually the Old Hungarian Alphabet ("Rovás írás") in real life.
Hebrew , think one Japanese old old block form or new computer bit form ?
They probably checked out various runic writings, but most of those on the wall are in the old hungarian alphabet: www.google.hu/search?q=hebrew+alphabet&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizkNX0m6vQAhXI3iwKHbFgB-0Q_AUICCgB&biw=1056&bih=517#tbm=isch&q=rov%C3%A1s%C3%ADr%C3%A1s&imgrc=6hJK17RbB_cSaM%3A
The Asgard are based on Norse/Germanic myths, and those runes are clearly Norse runes, they correspond 100% to the Norse runic alphabet.
The various runic alphabets share similarities due to needing to be cut into stone making straight lines the best options for letters. However the letters on the wall are not Hungarian runic, they are Norse runic. The Asgard are Norse and the runes are all in the Norse runic alphabet.
Stargate wiki "The runes used to write the Asgard language resemble a mixture of the Elder Futhark used by the ancient Germanic peoples of northern Europe and the Norse of Scandinavia, and the Anglo-Saxon Futhark of England."
Already confirmed long ago by production commentary, props, and millions of SG nerds, lol.
+NATIK ? and tell me mate, just where do you think Norse runic comes from?
I love the idea of using the very elements as a common point in linguistics. Even if mathematics are different, we're all made of the same star stuff.
I remember realizing that they would have to get rid of this wonder as soon as it was revealed.
"This could take a lifetime."
"More."
Me: No, no, no, you're still alive. You can't use that line yet.
Because he’s had a life time and is STILL nowhere close to understanding it all. So obviously he can easily claim it would take more than a life time.
The Rosetta Stone Episode
one of the best episodes 4me :)
It's a good thing that the climate stayed warm all those years. ☺
SG-1 was more a first contact explorer type team that also killed everyone needed and stuff. I would guess this planet was returned to as soon as they could with a actually full science team. This would be what I would base a book off of if not a whole series. As for the 4th race my guess would be they where the oldest and first to discover faster them light travel as we know the ancients built the gate network or at least added to it. This missing 4th race could have been the ones that first built it and the ancients just continued it for all we know. Again something a great book or series of books could be written from this place. Remember the Asguard said that man kind was the 4th race so one better what if it is man kind that went back into time and was the original race and they just have yet to go back?
Mankind are the fifth race, according to the Asgard. There's the ancients, the Nox, the Asgard, and the Furlings, the latter we never got to see in any episodes. There's actually an SG-1 episode named "The fifth race". stargate.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fifth_Race
@@SGtidbits we only saw furling
Technology. Like the teleportation Arch and control/key device in the episode „Paradise Lost“. I always liked the idea that the Goauld stole lots of their tech from the Furlings and the Ancients
"This could take a lifetime!"
"More."
"Oh. Sorry."
Wears the remains of a 50 year old spacesuit.... takes fresh cloth covering off device.
interesting that we now know that protons and neutrons are not the basic elements )))
It just occurred to me, but Ernest shouldn't be aware of the United Nations.
While he did travel through the Stargate in the same year as its founding, it's unlikely he's make reference to it as it wouldn't be ratified and made official until towards the end of the year.
It was announced before this in the media, of course, but an official title was not given till ratification.
Given the project was in operation during WW2, it's likely he disappeared through the gate early in the year and not the end.
So his journal should be referencing the League of Nations, rather than the United Nations.
The Charter was signed in June so, in theory, it just manages to slide in given the war with Japan lasted until September
"how do you ensure universal communication" stick a fish in your ear 🐟
Number of protons dictate the element Danial.
Thank you! Did none of the writers take any chemistry classes?
Give him a break.....he's an art student.
@@Yogsothoth85 I mean come on he's an archaeologist, this isn't his field.
Ernest's story was quite tragic.
That universal language that nobody ever used.
like, at all. I'm not even sure how that would help someone translate someone else's language anyway. You know some words, but that doesn't necessary tell you enough about how things are written or spoken.
I get that the gate dropped off a cliff and into the ocean or water. but couldn't they have returned their once they had spaceships. to study the planet and maybe the ruins more. might even be able to get the gate working again and uncovered more stuff about the missing 4th alien race.
edit - Later on when Jack first has the Ancients database in his head and goes to the Asgard for help. they say there was once 4 races that built a great alliance the 4th being Furlings.
I know about the Ancients, Nox, and Asgard. Who was the 4th race?
@@LordSpleach Later on when Jack first has the Ancients database in his head and goes to the Asgard for help. they say there was once 4 races that built a great alliance the 4th being Furlings.
Laughing at all the basement dwellers trying to sound smart stating you need to count protons to determine the element. Let me save you some time. In ELEMENTS the number of electrons is equal to the number of protons. That only changes when dealing with ions and isotopes.
Yep, also Daniel is an archaeologist, he can be a bit off.
This could take a lifetime
AI: Hold my beer
Nice try, but if RepliCarter couldn't do it...
the idea of the elements is taken from an old science fiction story "Omnilingual"
4 super advanced species couldn't create technology that'd translate between four languages? If you can create an intergalactic hyperdrive you can create a translating machine.
Creating a translator is far different from creating a universal language itself. That universal language would be the very building blocks of everything in the universe.
The device might have been symbolic.
Not necessarily true. Star Trek TNG addresses the complexity of language in the episode "Darmok"... not just with the communication barrier between the two captains, but in general. Counselor Troi pointing out the concept of translation is extremely difficult. If you pick up a cup of coffee and say a work, and the other person is trying to translate what you mean, they may infer "coffee". But you could mean "cup", or "dark", or "hot", or any other number of descriptors for the object. It's not until you have repetitive descriptors for one specific common reference point, while other common descriptors have been systematically eliminated, that you can have a likely translation.
That's why the concept of Linguacode was a necessity for universal translation, as in "Here's a translation matrix for common words in our language." This is similar, as the elements are representative of the most common structure for any race... these elements exist, no matter where in the known universe you come from. A race's representation of those elements now becomes a commonality for translation between any language, so long as those languages have a similar format (alphanumeric vs. pictograph). If you had a similar format representation, for example Binary to ASCII and similar representation (binary being a necessity for machine code and would be another constant for any race that uses electric circuit based technology, eg on/off), you have another component that can be used along with that universal connect to create a direct translation based off Binary code. But that's the hard way of doing it.
In this format, any physical object can be identified through its chemical structure. A race's representation of water, for example, is going to be the same at the molecular level. Whatever a species calls water, is still represented by two hydrogen, one oxygen. While the words may be completely dissimilar, and the written representation even moreso, the chemical representation is the same and now can be incorporated into the translation matrix. And that applies to everything. No matter what a race calls something, it has the same chemical composition. The translation matrix goes from L1->PT->L2. Obviously, that only applies to a physical object representative of that chemical structure. So a glass as an object wouldn't be translatable through this matrix, but the glass as a material that makes up the object would be translatable.
I suspect this was really just part of a greater museum exhibit that had fallen into the sea. What's on the walls is just a the tour explaining the room in a few different languages, similar to how some exhibits on earth have plaques in multiple languages
They could simply have created it because they could , and wanted to give it a go.
For Science!
I wonder if Trinium was part of the images.
It's funny how they are amused at the old tech diving suit yet not one of them has a phone that can record video.
This episode aired in 1997 or 1998. Phones with built in cameras were not a thing back then.
Adrian Mantsch but Trek original series tricorders record & sent video 20 years before.
francis lelievre stargate and startrek don't have the same sci-fi universes or timelines; so i wouldn't call it an apples to apples comparison
Star trek is set in the future, Stargate is set in the 90s
In Stargate Earth technology was pretty much at the same level as it was in real life in those years.
A Universal Langauge? Do you not mean a atomic language?
Well it'd be atomic, but I believe the goal was for it be universally understood, so universal language makes sense.
Still shame they couldn't bring that device with them back on earth and mine the knowledge.
And once they got ships they never went back there to see if it was still intact
118 elements now.
Cool
I wonder... did it work for O'Neill because of the Ancient gene? And if so, did Ernest also possess the gene?
Nah I think it just works similar to a dhd
2020-> 118
Reduce the communication to its basic elements vision and sound like a TV show SG-1
and electrons don't revolve around the atom also a universal language does not have to be written in something everybody knows but everybody would have to be able to understand the meaning of what's written without having to know it so as long as they didn't plan on representing things by writing down every atom that makes it up...
all things see = what you see here is the key to the code in the show in video pic form shhhh
no one has ever seen an atom, only a theory lol.
@@Graymenn a theory that has been put to the test countless times and is the basis of how we predict the properties of elements and are used in creating things like transistors and diodes as well as metallurgy.
@@kevinforget549 Looking at his present name ("COVID 1984"), I have concluded that he is an anti-science dumbass.
@@Graymenn Uh no. You can in fact see atoms with a transmission electron microscope we've also had images of atoms for decades now.
A theory in science is one of the strongest most useful things you can have and no, it doesn't cease to be atomic theory because we know for a fact atoms exist. That's not what theory means in science.
Like cell phone universal communicator Star trek
"the number of electrons indicating the element"
And the number of electrons equals the number of protons in a stable element. I highly doubt they would represent the elements in ionic form.
@@shaun3423 not all elements are naturally stable. That's why many substances we see are combinations of elements, like hydrogen chloride
InfernosReaper HCl is a molecule not an element. While not every element is stable, especially as they get heavier, they are still stand alone.
@@shaun3423 I literally said hydrogen chloride is a combination of elements. The reason why is be because molecules are the result of unstable elements stabilizing.
@@InfernosReaper True, I guess I should have said non-ionic elements. While many are not found in nature in non-ionic form, they are depicted on the periodic table as such.
Did they ever go back when they had ships
Nope.
and Stargate steals from "Omnilingual".
you posted this 7 months prior.
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That's a bit of a stretch, it's a pretty simple idea.
WTF, the elements aren't arranged by the number of electrons. It's the number of protons. That's a pretty big oof for a sci-fi show to make.
Indeed.
But since it's such an awesome show, I can forgive them. :)
To be fair, in an uncharged element the number of electrons are the same as the number of protons, meaning they do indicate which element it is.
Assuming none of the graphics were ions, then they would be able to identify them by electrons.
Daniel is an archeologist, not a chemist or physicist. It seems reasonable he could make this mistake
@@do_gotcha A useless distinction, ions are very common. It's like saying a clock works fine while being stuck on 12:00 pm just because it HAPPENS to currently be 12:00 pm. Electrons vary and form ions, neutrons vary and form isotopes. Protons are the only particle that is useful for distinguishing elements.
I love SG1 - but - the most basic language would be 0 and 1 and four operators add, multiply, negate, invert.
Sure, if we are limited in our minds to binary electronic computers. However if they used quantum computers the basic language could be based on atoms or electrons or quarks.
I mean, you show someone an atom and they'll probably get it, you show someone a string of zeroes and ones in your language which look different to their zeroes and ones they probably won't.
118 these days.
- How many life time ?
- Yes
The pedestal probably had a ZPM why not look for it
At this point in the show, no one had heard of ZPMs. They came seasons later. Also the pedestal seems similar to a DHD, which don't use ZPMs.
@@SGtidbits that is true I did see the similar DHD design but that pedestal probably had something better than a ZPM on account of the pedestal being up and operational for long before and after the four races constructed it
@@rogelioregalado2032 That's assuming it even needs all that much power, if you look at what ZPMs are used for typically they would be overkill for this.
What did this dude eat? He was there for pretty much his whole life.
Some questions are best left unanswered.
Well you don't see many people left home so you 🤔
The sgc sends teams for gold mines and mines them dry, lost of gold for the us
This scene is as good as it is funny :
A show were almost every human in the universe speak english
And they do this scene about other languages.
I love SG, but sometimes you can't pass through the necessities of the plot.
Well the place is about communication between very different evolved races like Asgard and Ancients, not between humans that the Goa'uld distributed as slaves between different planets.
They could of come back by ship
Moreover, we know today that the Universe is mainly made NOT of atoms...but made of dark matter and dark energy. Atoms and photons or known particles in the SM (circa 2015)...can not make of the known Universe...So, unfortunately, the update of physics and chemistry oversedes this plot...
Not necessarily, the 4 allied ancient races wanted to create a universal language based off of the most basic and simplest known structures, so the atom, for all we know the structure of dark matter and energy is un-constant and fluctuates heavily, making it unreliable for a comprehensible language.
dark matter and dark energy is pure hypothesis and it was only proposed because their observations did not match their model, so instead of changing the model, they invented dark matter and dark energy out of thin air with absolutely no proof.
They are trying to get the proof for dark matter right now by looking at the half life of very stable noble gases in a large chamber or something.
@@geneticist8887 they are still looking for proof of gravity
@Brad Viviviyal Looking at his present name ("COVID 1984"), I have concluded that he is an anti-science dumbass.
If the place didn't collapse to horribly, they could've gone back in a 304.
The number of 🤓 'um acktuallie's there are in this comments section hurts
It's a shame.
writer's drift. adding elements is not adding normal
elements. really they are not&never will be of any
use.
Wrong. Number of protons describing the element.
Yea. Stargate rips off "Omnilingual".
What do you mean?
@@JustinJTX1 One author wrote about a universal language and methods for translating it so no one else can possibly come up with it.
So mad you posted twice.
Watching this as a physicist, makes me laugh... you folks are clueless.
like when the holographic map pops up and the woman says, "This is beautiful." lol!! Too funny.
As a physicist, even you would at least think the same thing that she said. Basic emotions come out first. Then once the frontal lobe of the brain kicks in, you would look at this from a more scientific POV.
@@LostDisciple24 - "As a physicist, even you would at least think the same thing she said." Who the hell are you?
@@jan_phd Someone who has the basic human appreciation for aesthetics? Why is it funny that she found it beautiful? I get getting annoyed by the archaeologist explaining how elements are figured out, but good lord that part just sounds like you're looking to be annoyed.