Trident yearly cost 5 billion, EU membership fees 18+billion and rising a year, UK foreign aid 13 billion a year and rising. Just some context you hardly ever hear.
DrCrYz How many miles of motorway could we build for 5 000 000 000 pounds per year? I would rather invest in our country's infrastructure than hand Lockheed Martin a blank cheque book so the Yanks can make Scotland a target for Russian nukes, We can't even fire the fucking thing!
+DrCrYz What Trident does: -Costs £5B -Sits there OR -Gets used and destroys the Earth as we know it What the EU costs: -The UK gave the EU €14.5bn in 2013 (in cash rather than any other kind or benefit), and directly got back €6.3bn. -Half of that €6.3bn EU expenditure on the UK (€3.1bn) was given to UK farmers to subsidise food production. -We also received €1.1bn in research grants, an amount second only to what Germany received for research grants. -Not to mention the amount of trade we do with EU countries because of the EU What UK foreign aid does: -Costs £13 Billion -Helps aid millions of people around the world There's some context for you my friend.
+BigBuckChicken So we give out 14bn and get half back, so 7bn down. Give out 13bn to countries like Indian I might add who have a space program....... fucking LOL.
Owen Jones: There is something sinister about a military general....blahblahblah, threatening to do a coup d'etat! Anchor: Yeah anyway, here's an innocuous question to another guy, that totally brushes aside *THE IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION, THAT WAS JUST SAID!* Great follow-up questioning there buddy! You sir, are true news hound. Tony Stark sez "Hi!"
JoeRUGBY10 *Really?* “You can’t have serving officers effectively threatening a coup against an elected government,” they said. “This general seems to have forgotten that we live in a democracy.” A Ministry of Defence source said it was unacceptable for a serving officer to make political comments about a potential “future government”. The right-wing Tory MEP Daniel Hannan described the general as an “idiot”. “We’re not Bolivia for God’s sake,” he said. *That is official reactions. People in power going "WTF!?" That is how rational actors in a democracy would react to such information.* You however: JoeRUGBY10 8:20 AM +k3v1n47 No name or identification was given this 'general'. *(Yes, its called giving an opinion anonymously. It happens in the news. Its common)* Fuck all facts and is probably complete bullshit so calm down. *(Maybe, but if A FUCKING GENERAL THREATENS A COUP D'ETAT, PERHAPS WE SHOULD PAY FUCKING ATTENTION! BTW, how do you know I'm not "calm"? How can you tell on an anonymous forum, with no facial nor vocal cues to help assess my emotional state, that I am not "calm"?)* Owen Jones needs to fuck off with his useless fucking limp dick opinion. *(Brilliant! Way to go! Totally not weird, you mentioning Owen Jones' genitalia, and its lack of vigor. Good job pumpkin.)*
k3v1n47 Once again no names to back anything up. A General threatening something as serious as a coup d'etat would have a name connected to it. You can rely on you 'BUT IF' but that's all it is a mythical BUT IF.
JoeRUGBY10 Once again no names to back anything up.*(Once again....The general was "ANONYMOUSLY" giving his words to a reporter. That....happens! That is how the news industry works! They sometimes rely on anonymous sources. Why don't you understand that?!)* I A General threatening something as serious as a coup d'etat would have a name connected to it.*(...and yet he didn't. Is reality difficult for you to understand? Does everything have to have a label before you understand its nature?)* You can rely on you 'BUT IF' but that's all it is a mythical BUT IF *("but if" a FUCKING GENERAL, says, "If we [the military establishment] don't like the way the political situation is going, we may have a military coup..."* *That is serious. Even if he or she is "anonymously" saying so. Even if he/she, didn't weally weally mean it. That is sinister.* *If a people living in a democracy or republic, don't take internal threats to their freedom seriously, then they fucking well don't deserve freedom or the responsibility of self rule....like you for example.* *Jesus....fucking....christ!)*
JoeRUGBY10 Really? Am I? With the rest of the "lefties"? A fucking general says, If the people decide that Nukes are not a good idea, there very well may be a coup in the offing. You say "If and but" ergo ipso "dream world". You say, If the general doesn't put his name up as the author of the treasonous and seditious thought, then it doesn't matter. Because when one talks about a coup, something that could get them sacked, or arrested, they should always provide their names......*Jesus fucking Christ!!!* The arrogance of ignorance is always a wonder to behold. You are a dope. A dupe, a dunce. Good luck pumpkin. *Jesus fucking Christ!*
Just to explain again to the anchor. A general giving his opinion is hunky dorey. Even an opinion which may have political implications. But when a general mentions a politician by name, and suggests that said politician should not be elected, a teeny-weeny line has been crossed. See. Not so difficult after all.
CHANNEL 4: Organise a meeting to discuss a host replacement. I understand the effort and money put into Krishnan over the years but its time.. he's awful and most people just find him very annoying!
The generals comments were all to do with Trident's validity as a deterrent. He didn't say them in a particularly malicious way, just in the stereotypical, swashbuckling empire way. Therefore, Owen, both you & Corbyn - if indeed it was Corbyn & not someone from his team - are approaching this in the wrong way. It's this ridiculous claim that Trident is a deterrent you should be arguing about, not whether the general should or should not have said anything. Look at the airtime you've lost.
The General was just answering questions asked by Andrew Marr ,Marr brought up Corbyn ,not the General ,the same General who thinks not everyone should be forced to wear Poppies ,quite a moderate man I would say ,also said the UK bombing Syria was not a good idea .
+Tom Winch Without getting too conspiritard - Do you think that Nukes are unable to be stock piled and have to be detonated within a certain time before they're useless. It would explain why the US and UK did thousands of pointless tests.
Furthermore, you will always be known for dodging questions jones, a trait you will never shake off. Please don't get angry and cry and run off air, as you're known for that also.
Why is Krishnan still employed?
"No, did you." WTF?
+shaykhriyadh Enforced diversity
Krishnan is such a rude anchor. Once again trying and failing to fill the void left behind by Paxman.
Yep. He tries his hardest to be that type of interviewer but is just a cock.
+jim bob LMAO The left eating their own....inevitable
i agree...hes gud but iften lets himself down by trying to be edgy
+jim bob Indeed, and what a pitiful imitation he is.
Would you not struggle to not be rude to Owen Jones?
Trident yearly cost 5 billion, EU membership fees 18+billion and rising a year, UK foreign aid 13 billion a year and rising. Just some context you hardly ever hear.
+DrCrYz Trident cost over 100 billion it's American, we can't fire it, and it's shit
And you're ignoring what the UK gets back from the EU - it's like counting a budget's expenses and not the income.
DrCrYz How many miles of motorway could we build for 5 000 000 000 pounds per year? I would rather invest in our country's infrastructure than hand Lockheed Martin a blank cheque book so the Yanks can make Scotland a target for Russian nukes, We can't even fire the fucking thing!
+DrCrYz
What Trident does:
-Costs £5B
-Sits there
OR
-Gets used and destroys the Earth as we know it
What the EU costs:
-The UK gave the EU €14.5bn in 2013 (in cash rather than any other kind or benefit), and directly got back €6.3bn.
-Half of that €6.3bn EU expenditure on the UK (€3.1bn) was given to UK farmers to subsidise food production.
-We also received €1.1bn in research grants, an amount second only to what Germany received for research grants.
-Not to mention the amount of trade we do with EU countries because of the EU
What UK foreign aid does:
-Costs £13 Billion
-Helps aid millions of people around the world
There's some context for you my friend.
+BigBuckChicken So we give out 14bn and get half back, so 7bn down. Give out 13bn to countries like Indian I might add who have a space program....... fucking LOL.
1:15 the way Owen gets so quick on the “no, no, no, no, no, no, no” as soon as Jeremy’s name was mention. Silly little boy
I'm an Aussie and its scary that a puppet of Iran and Russia came close to becoming the PM of the UK.
nice one owen jones, first time ive heard anyone talking sense on channel4 in a long time!
No need to worry about it now Owen is there ? 😂
Owen Jones: There is something sinister about a military general....blahblahblah, threatening to do a coup d'etat!
Anchor: Yeah anyway, here's an innocuous question to another guy, that totally brushes aside *THE IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION, THAT WAS JUST SAID!*
Great follow-up questioning there buddy! You sir, are true news hound. Tony Stark sez "Hi!"
JoeRUGBY10 *Really?*
“You can’t have serving officers effectively threatening a coup against an elected government,” they said. “This general seems to have forgotten that we live in a democracy.” A Ministry of Defence source said it was unacceptable for a serving officer to make political comments about a potential “future government”.
The right-wing Tory MEP Daniel Hannan described the general as an “idiot”. “We’re not Bolivia for God’s sake,” he said.
*That is official reactions. People in power going "WTF!?" That is how rational actors in a democracy would react to such information.*
You however:
JoeRUGBY10
8:20 AM
+k3v1n47 No name or identification was given this 'general'.
*(Yes, its called giving an opinion anonymously. It happens in the news. Its common)*
Fuck all facts and is probably complete bullshit so calm down. *(Maybe, but if A FUCKING GENERAL THREATENS A COUP D'ETAT, PERHAPS WE SHOULD PAY FUCKING ATTENTION! BTW, how do you know I'm not "calm"? How can you tell on an anonymous forum, with no facial nor vocal cues to help assess my emotional state, that I am not "calm"?)*
Owen Jones needs to fuck off with his useless fucking limp dick opinion.
*(Brilliant! Way to go! Totally not weird, you mentioning Owen Jones' genitalia, and its lack of vigor. Good job pumpkin.)*
k3v1n47
Once again no names to back anything up. A General threatening something as serious as a coup d'etat would have a name connected to it. You can rely on you 'BUT IF' but that's all it is a mythical BUT IF.
JoeRUGBY10 Once again no names to back anything up.*(Once again....The general was "ANONYMOUSLY" giving his words to a reporter. That....happens! That is how the news industry works! They sometimes rely on anonymous sources. Why don't you understand that?!)* I A General threatening something as serious as a coup d'etat would have a name connected to it.*(...and yet he didn't. Is reality difficult for you to understand? Does everything have to have a label before you understand its nature?)*
You can rely on you 'BUT IF' but that's all it is a mythical BUT IF
*("but if" a FUCKING GENERAL, says, "If we [the military establishment] don't like the way the political situation is going, we may have a military coup..."*
*That is serious. Even if he or she is "anonymously" saying so. Even if he/she, didn't weally weally mean it. That is sinister.*
*If a people living in a democracy or republic, don't take internal threats to their freedom seriously, then they fucking well don't deserve freedom or the responsibility of self rule....like you for example.*
*Jesus....fucking....christ!)*
k3v1n47
IF's, BUT's you're living in dream world like the rest of the lefties.
JoeRUGBY10
Really? Am I? With the rest of the "lefties"?
A fucking general says, If the people decide that Nukes are not a good idea, there very well may be a coup in the offing.
You say "If and but" ergo ipso "dream world". You say, If the general doesn't put his name up as the author of the treasonous and seditious thought, then it doesn't matter. Because when one talks about a coup, something that could get them sacked, or arrested, they should always provide their names......*Jesus fucking Christ!!!*
The arrogance of ignorance is always a wonder to behold. You are a dope. A dupe, a dunce. Good luck pumpkin. *Jesus fucking Christ!*
Just to explain again to the anchor.
A general giving his opinion is hunky dorey. Even an opinion which may have political implications.
But when a general mentions a politician by name, and suggests that said politician should not be elected, a teeny-weeny line has been crossed.
See. Not so difficult after all.
Corbyn is just mucking people around. No wonder this guy said what he said.
CHANNEL 4: Organise a meeting to discuss a host replacement. I understand the effort and money put into Krishnan over the years but its time.. he's awful and most people just find him very annoying!
Sick of hearing the bloke complaining about everything why have him on TV
I'd like to know how you get away with having an opinion jones.
Owen jones talks rubarb again
The generals comments were all to do with Trident's validity as a deterrent. He didn't say them in a particularly malicious way, just in the stereotypical, swashbuckling empire way.
Therefore, Owen, both you & Corbyn - if indeed it was Corbyn & not someone from his team - are approaching this in the wrong way.
It's this ridiculous claim that Trident is a deterrent you should be arguing about, not whether the general should or should not have said anything.
Look at the airtime you've lost.
The General was just answering questions asked by Andrew Marr ,Marr brought up Corbyn ,not the General ,the same General who thinks not everyone should be forced to wear Poppies ,quite a moderate man I would say ,also said the UK bombing Syria was not a good idea .
it is perfectly reasonable that general officers should be able to give public opinions on matters of security without fear of retribution.
Why doesn't the little Guardian Newsboy stand for Parliament instead of trying to force his opinions on others
Simple minds in concert
Owen Jones is clearly waffling here. This is a military matter, army generals should have an opinion.
They can of course have an opinion, Jones is saying that serving soldiers should not have public involvement in politics
Just say we still have them but don't. simples.
+Tom Winch Without getting too conspiritard - Do you think that Nukes are unable to be stock piled and have to be detonated within a certain time before they're useless. It would explain why the US and UK did thousands of pointless tests.
+HoldOnToYourTails It worked for the ban tax credit campaign.
I always thought Woodcock looks like Trey Parker of South Park fame
Let's debate it today, in March 2022 with Putin making threats of using nuclear weapons. Disarm Trident? In March 2022 ?
Yeah I Think IT'S GOOD FEELING IF I CAN SEE democracy in the UK my having a vote of getting rid of the House of lords
mr jones youre a legend
Owen on point again, unlike the media
Just shows how infantile 'English' politics has become!
Why 'English' in inverted commas?
I was being ironic.
Explain?
Tony Hind, care to elaborate on your silly comment?
Furthermore, you will always be known for dodging questions jones, a trait you will never shake off. Please don't get angry and cry and run off air, as you're known for that also.
Quote; made me realize just how many deadweight useless labour mps there are.
Hope your talking about Abbott and Thornbury.
jermy corbyn has a white beard dodgy if you ask me.