not sure about the battery shown in this video it is 2500A that could damage the system i found info surgesting to use a maximum 1000A that being the one supplied which has 13200 mah , look forward to any comments.
The battery Amp hour capacity is not going to damage the system. 2500 mah = 2.5 Amp hour. Battery voltage outside of what the ignition system was designed for will damage it.
Someone will be making a reduction drive for these to swing a bigger prop. As far as the battery goes; the early Weedhopper ultralight airplanes used a couple of D-cell batteries to run the coil. A small battery monitor could be installed that could trigger a beeper when the battery falls to a predetermined level. The muffler bolt problem is an easy fix. Drill a small hole through the bolt heads to accept safety wire. A strand of wire through both bolts and twisted would prevent them from turning loose. Or replace the bolts with pre drilled aircraft bolts designed for safety wire.
Loctite on the exhaust hardware will not hold with the heat. Best option is drill the head of the hardware & safety wire it. I use a propane torch to loosen hardware that has red loctite. If loctite was adequate we would not see safely wire in aviation & motorsports
15hrs in and these bolts haven’t moved, since getting it from manufacture. Think too many fear campaigns from the crappy AliExpress Airjet using a copy of the engine going around which is tainting a perfectly good manufactured model.
Hi guys i fitted a radio control electric switch with a XT 60 fitting no problem just plugged in and fitted with ties to leave it just under my swing arm , i informed R. Bennettie not sure if he has decided to use them , available ebay happy flying guys
It concerned us at the beginning also. We're including the 22,000 MAH battery in the link below. You do have to be careful as not to use just any "jumpstart" style battery, as some of them have circuitry that turns them "off" automatically after a period of time. This one doesn't: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082ZZ2W14/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 We've had a school MiniMot since January, have not yet charged the battery and it still shows full charge. Not sure how many hours of flight time, but quite a few! Also coincidentally I have your Immortal album, Great Stuff!
@@oneupadventures5040 No way!! Haha, small world! I bought the "NUSICAN Jump Starter 12v 4000A" battery, but I measured the output voltage and it's almost 16v! I'll be purchasing the one you linked, thank you!! Also, you don't happen to sell spare props. do you?... ^^
Yes, he certainly did. It’s a beautifully made Paramotor made for paraglider pilots, no difference in feel to flying a paraglider. It’s not your average powered Paramotor heavy, large, uncomfortable in flight, hard to turn or weight shift. Big difference.
This is very interesting... having it as long as you have how do you feel about the overall reliability? I can see the advantage for free flight practice or finding lift to play in.
Hey Adam, in the RC forums the DLE-170 seems to have an excellent reputation for reliability, and this is probably the best place to look since there are tons of them in large scale RC aircraft. Parts are also widely available and inexpensive compared to similar parts for other paramotor engines. The only issue we had was with our exhaust, the brackets the connects the two exhaust to provide additional support cracked. The brackets were then redesigned and strengthened, and RB Paramotor sent us the new exhaust at no charge. We think it is important to occasionally check the tightness on the 4 bolts that hold the two exhaust to the cylinder, if they loosen up there is a higher chance of failure. So far we're super happy with!
I saw this at this year’s Bad Apples. Very impressive little engine. I like the idea of twin cylinders. Can you tell us about the vibration with the DLE 170? The “thumpers” that we fly just can’t help vibrating themselves to death.
I added a motor temperature gauge. Concerned when hearing 210 to 240c (410 to 460f) it will blow. So the temp gauge is a must when needed to fly to a mountain 9 km away. I will let it run till 170 - 190c max then reduce to cruise speed when getting to those temperatures, goes down very fast within a min or less when cruising, can give it more excelleration again if more height is needed. Feel safer keeping motor in top shape for longer life span. Oh and I should add, the standard harness fits and is very comfortable at 5’1” I did however need to make knots to block the seat strap from wedging back too far down. Also I took leg straps further over the foam padding another 3inches, tight but possible without removing the foam overlay. Now I am very happy and compfy. Thank you for your reply it really helped me to buy.
Thoughts on a 3 blade prop? Even available at this size? At your weight, similar to mine, Percentage of throttle to maintain level flight? 70%’? Rpm at level flight? Very interested. 63 and legs not as strong as in my 50’s. Are you the dealer? Website? Thx
We have not seen a three blade prop available for it. Percent throttle to maintain level flight depends heavily on the pilot's weight and the size and efficiency of the glider used. Practically speaking, this paramotor is appropriate for pilots weighing up to 175 lbs.
How reliable is the motor compared to like an atom 80? Similar, how finicky is it as well? Do you know if it produces a true 17.5hp? Has anyone ran one on a dyno?
We have not had any issues with the engine, nor any of the Minimot's we've sold. To make a factual reliability comparison is impossible due to lack of data for comparison. I would check out "DLE 170" is the RC forums to get a taste for any issue. Most seems to be related to the exhaust, but our Minimot does not use a stock DLE-170 exhaust, it has a custom built exhaust that is a nice improvement. DLE-170 engine parts are also widely available and less expensive that Vitto components, but of course the DLE-170 serves a broader market, and is more mass produced, so that should be no surprise. I've never seen a DYNO test. While similar engine HP to Atom 80, it does produce "subjectively" 15% less thrust swinging an 88CM propeller, compared to the Atom 80 swinging a 130CM propeller. Shorter propellers always are less efficient at converting engine HP into usable thrust. However the MiniMot's 88CM propeller allows for an extremely compact cage, and allows the unit to achieve a ready to fly weight of just 33lbs, while the average weight an an Atom 80 paramotor is 45 ls. So there is a 25% weight savings compared to the Atom 80, and a roughly 15% thrust loss compared to Atom 80. I watched Anthony Vella fly the MiniMot at 215 lbs pilot weight on a 27M EN-A glider, it was not a fast climb, but it worked. Ideally MiniMot is for lightweight beginner pilot, or any pilot up to 200 lbs who wants something super portable (toss on back seat of car assembled) and light. It is also very nice for those getting into thermal flying, to climb up, shut down, thermal (w/minimal added weight/drag), restart as necessary to get back into the thermals. Great way for flatlanders to get up there and start playing around!
i am 80 kg naked weight flying the link2 25 with miniplane reserve and full tank 6mph wind speed off ground in 12 steps, the link2 is perfect for this engine and thermaling very lifty
I have a Minimot and let me tell you the noise is just to much, I had problem with my neibourgh. Finaly I changed those two ridiculous type of mufflers, which by the way failed off, by a real muflelr moto type and it is day and night. Of course they argue about the weight of 13 kg for marketing business. Mine is about 16kg, which is still fine.The moster 185 is not loud with a low deep sound compare to this very high bee like sound for the Minimot. Patrick
Its similar to a Moster 185, a bit louder at idle, pretty similar at full power. RB Paramotor does not use the stock DLE Exhaust, it uses its own design that includes both an exhaust and silencer for each cylinder.
@@patrickpatrick5046 , did your MiniMot come with the stock DLE Exhaust? The RB Minimot, at least now, comes with its own design exhaust which includes silencer. Ours weighed in at 33lbs (15KG)
@@oneupadventures5040 It came with the exact same one than yours wich is ridiculous, my two ears felled on the ground. By putting a real mufler I gain about 6% of power and the noise is confortable. I already told Rafaele.
Exactly right! We swapped out a fake copy of the DLE 170 engine for the real well known DLE 170 engine, a junk propeller for a real name brand carbon propeller, a garbage unusable throttle for a real throttle that works, a cheap Chinese made harness for certified known name Apco SLT Light Harness, a cheaply built chinese frame and cage for an Italian manufactured quality welded frame and cage, a milk-jug thick fuel tank for a proper thickness fuel tank, a garbage exhaust system to a specialty exhaust system for paramotor use with silencer, a 20 year old straight J--bar hang point system to a modern weight-shift CNC swing-arms that articulate in 2-D, include a quality battery system, include FREE shipping, and included warranty and technical support from a reputable US based company. We should be billionaires soon if everyone falls for this bait and switch!
You guys taught me to fly in 2021 and I was probably a most difficult student. I now have over 130 flights. It changed my life. Thank you.
not sure about the battery shown in this video it is 2500A that could damage the system i found info surgesting to use a maximum 1000A that being the one supplied which has 13200 mah , look forward to any comments.
The battery Amp hour capacity is not going to damage the system. 2500 mah = 2.5 Amp hour. Battery voltage outside of what the ignition system was designed for will damage it.
@@slickjimmy76 its not 2500 mah slick its 2500AMP that will deliver a high current for that system needs to be 1000AMP the mah is 22000
You guys are absolutely awesome in 2021 You help me recognize my dream of running into the sky. I have loved it ever since and will continue to.
Someone will be making a reduction drive for these to swing a bigger prop.
As far as the battery goes; the early Weedhopper ultralight airplanes used a couple of D-cell batteries to run the coil.
A small battery monitor could be installed that could trigger a beeper when the battery falls to a predetermined level.
The muffler bolt problem is an easy fix. Drill a small hole through the bolt heads to accept safety wire. A strand of wire through both bolts and twisted would prevent them from turning loose. Or replace the bolts with pre drilled aircraft bolts designed for safety wire.
I have the new 2024 MiniMot, I know you’re not talking about the actual MiniMot. Must’ve had an upgrade. No bolts moved on mine.
Raffaele did a good job
Loctite on the exhaust hardware will not hold with the heat. Best option is drill the head of the hardware & safety wire it. I use a propane torch to loosen hardware that has red loctite. If loctite was adequate we would not see safely wire in aviation & motorsports
15hrs in and these bolts haven’t moved, since getting it from manufacture. Think too many fear campaigns from the crappy AliExpress Airjet using a copy of the engine going around which is tainting a perfectly good manufactured model.
Travis had that "Oh" face when he hit the throttle!!😂😂 1:17
No kidding! LOL
Hi guys i fitted a radio control electric switch with a XT 60 fitting no problem just plugged in and fitted with ties to leave it just under my swing arm , i informed R. Bennettie not sure if he has decided to use them , available ebay happy flying guys
Excellent not used in my model which I’d bought 2 months ago. Could you please send a link?
As a light pilot, I just have to try this thing out. I'm so intrigued.
Come visit Sam and take it for a test ride. Would be perfect for your size!
same here, would love to try it one day even just for the fun of it.
Great design. 👍😎👍
NEED
What battery are you using? The lack of a magneto scares me and I wanna make sure I have the absolute best battery! Maybe even redundancy if possible!
It concerned us at the beginning also. We're including the 22,000 MAH battery in the link below. You do have to be careful as not to use just any "jumpstart" style battery, as some of them have circuitry that turns them "off" automatically after a period of time. This one doesn't:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082ZZ2W14/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
We've had a school MiniMot since January, have not yet charged the battery and it still shows full charge. Not sure how many hours of flight time, but quite a few!
Also coincidentally I have your Immortal album, Great Stuff!
@@oneupadventures5040 No way!! Haha, small world!
I bought the "NUSICAN Jump Starter 12v 4000A" battery, but I measured the output voltage and it's almost 16v!
I'll be purchasing the one you linked, thank you!!
Also, you don't happen to sell spare props. do you?... ^^
Yes, he certainly did. It’s a beautifully made Paramotor made for paraglider pilots, no difference in feel to flying a paraglider. It’s not your average powered Paramotor heavy, large, uncomfortable in flight, hard to turn or weight shift. Big difference.
Have you tied the flare moustache wing
We plan to soon!
I was allowed to fly this twice at bad apples. At 130lbs I was off the ground in 15’. I loved it thanks again for allowing me to fly your machine.
Of course :)
This is very interesting... having it as long as you have how do you feel about the overall reliability? I can see the advantage for free flight practice or finding lift to play in.
Hey Adam, in the RC forums the DLE-170 seems to have an excellent reputation for reliability, and this is probably the best place to look since there are tons of them in large scale RC aircraft. Parts are also widely available and inexpensive compared to similar parts for other paramotor engines. The only issue we had was with our exhaust, the brackets the connects the two exhaust to provide additional support cracked. The brackets were then redesigned and strengthened, and RB Paramotor sent us the new exhaust at no charge. We think it is important to occasionally check the tightness on the 4 bolts that hold the two exhaust to the cylinder, if they loosen up there is a higher chance of failure. So far we're super happy with!
I saw this at this year’s Bad Apples. Very impressive little engine. I like the idea of twin cylinders. Can you tell us about the vibration with the DLE 170? The “thumpers” that we fly just can’t help vibrating themselves to death.
Brian, its very smooth, there is more notable vibration at idle, but in the flight power regime its super smooth! - Travis
there is no noticable vibration during flight or talk
What do you use for your daughter’s harness? The supplied harness has a long back smallest 440 don’t think that would fit 155cm any solution?
The supplied APCO SLT harness works great for her, 14 years old, 5'5", 105 lbs
I added a motor temperature gauge. Concerned when hearing 210 to 240c (410 to 460f) it will blow. So the temp gauge is a must when needed to fly to a mountain 9 km away. I will let it run till 170 - 190c max then reduce to cruise speed when getting to those temperatures, goes down very fast within a min or less when cruising, can give it more excelleration again if more height is needed. Feel safer keeping motor in top shape for longer life span.
Oh and I should add, the standard harness fits and is very comfortable at 5’1” I did however need to make knots to block the seat strap from wedging back too far down. Also I took leg straps further over the foam padding another 3inches, tight but possible without removing the foam overlay. Now I am very happy and compfy.
Thank you for your reply it really helped me to buy.
Thoughts on a 3 blade prop? Even available at this size? At your weight, similar to mine,
Percentage of throttle to maintain level flight? 70%’? Rpm at level flight? Very interested. 63 and legs not as strong as in my 50’s.
Are you the dealer? Website? Thx
We have not seen a three blade prop available for it. Percent throttle to maintain level flight depends heavily on the pilot's weight and the size and efficiency of the glider used. Practically speaking, this paramotor is appropriate for pilots weighing up to 175 lbs.
I live in Spain. How much would this ppg cost me including shipping?
How reliable is the motor compared to like an atom 80? Similar, how finicky is it as well? Do you know if it produces a true 17.5hp? Has anyone ran one on a dyno?
We have not had any issues with the engine, nor any of the Minimot's we've sold. To make a factual reliability comparison is impossible due to lack of data for comparison. I would check out "DLE 170" is the RC forums to get a taste for any issue. Most seems to be related to the exhaust, but our Minimot does not use a stock DLE-170 exhaust, it has a custom built exhaust that is a nice improvement. DLE-170 engine parts are also widely available and less expensive that Vitto components, but of course the DLE-170 serves a broader market, and is more mass produced, so that should be no surprise.
I've never seen a DYNO test. While similar engine HP to Atom 80, it does produce "subjectively" 15% less thrust swinging an 88CM propeller, compared to the Atom 80 swinging a 130CM propeller. Shorter propellers always are less efficient at converting engine HP into usable thrust. However the MiniMot's 88CM propeller allows for an extremely compact cage, and allows the unit to achieve a ready to fly weight of just 33lbs, while the average weight an an Atom 80 paramotor is 45 ls. So there is a 25% weight savings compared to the Atom 80, and a roughly 15% thrust loss compared to Atom 80.
I watched Anthony Vella fly the MiniMot at 215 lbs pilot weight on a 27M EN-A glider, it was not a fast climb, but it worked. Ideally MiniMot is for lightweight beginner pilot, or any pilot up to 200 lbs who wants something super portable (toss on back seat of car assembled) and light. It is also very nice for those getting into thermal flying, to climb up, shut down, thermal (w/minimal added weight/drag), restart as necessary to get back into the thermals. Great way for flatlanders to get up there and start playing around!
Love seeing those @flybgd wings on that thing.
Size of fuel tank? Run time of a tank?
hi Brad i get 2 hours but if you are using thermals therefor switching engine off , any amount of time naturally
The propeller is small, right? It's 32x12?
Correct!
Any idea on flight times???? Lets say a 200lb pilot on a 28m nucleonxx?? 1 hour? 2 hours?
Sorry, we have not flown it or long cross country tests. It has a 9L fuel tank, and seems to burns around 3L/Hour average.
hi! could u gimme info about that throttle??? thanks!!!
Throttle is made by RB Paramotor, who also produces the MiniMot. You can contact them here www.rbparamotors.com/blog/contact-form/
@@oneupadventures5040 ok thanks!!!
Thoughts of a 100lb kid and a retract a trike??
I would go with an Atom 80 on a foxy trike if you are on a trike. Would just make more sense in my opinion :)
I’m 170lbs. Looking at a Niviuk Qubik. Thoughts on combo?
Hi Brad, it would pair well with the Qubik 25M or 23M, I wouldn't go smaller than the 23M at your weight with the Minimot.
Confused, why smaller?
i am 80 kg naked weight flying the link2 25 with miniplane reserve and full tank 6mph wind speed off ground in 12 steps, the link2 is perfect for this engine and thermaling very lifty
forgot to mention very good speed this wing is perfect so i say well done NIVIUK
Can you say something about how loud that part is, e.g. compared to moster 185? More or less?
I have a Minimot and let me tell you the noise is just to much, I had problem with my neibourgh. Finaly I changed those two ridiculous type of mufflers, which by the way failed off, by a real muflelr moto type and it is day and night. Of course they argue about the weight of 13 kg for marketing business. Mine is about 16kg, which is still fine.The moster 185 is not loud with a low deep sound compare to this very high bee like sound for the Minimot. Patrick
Its similar to a Moster 185, a bit louder at idle, pretty similar at full power. RB Paramotor does not use the stock DLE Exhaust, it uses its own design that includes both an exhaust and silencer for each cylinder.
@@patrickpatrick5046 , did your MiniMot come with the stock DLE Exhaust? The RB Minimot, at least now, comes with its own design exhaust which includes silencer. Ours weighed in at 33lbs (15KG)
@@oneupadventures5040 It came with the exact same one than yours wich is ridiculous, my two ears felled on the ground. By putting a real mufler I gain about 6% of power and the noise is confortable. I already told Rafaele.
@@patrickpatrick5046 , would you be willing to share what exhaust you are using?
My post disappeared. Not sure why. Tried to suggest how to solve the DLE muffler problem from my RC experience.
Brent, not sure why it disappeared? Please don't hesitate to repost or DM to info@oneupadventures.com with good advice!
I founds that adding Nord-Lock wedge washers under the bolts took care of my DLE muffler loosening problems.
Round 15 hrs running time from factory new - all bolts have “not” moved.
Where do we order this from?
www.oneupadventures.com/rbparamotor
Teach your daughter about healthy eating before flying🤫
My daughter eats very healthy and is quite an athlete but thanks!
Swapped a few parts out and doubled the price. Nice.
Exactly right! We swapped out a fake copy of the DLE 170 engine for the real well known DLE 170 engine, a junk propeller for a real name brand carbon propeller, a garbage unusable throttle for a real throttle that works, a cheap Chinese made harness for certified known name Apco SLT Light Harness, a cheaply built chinese frame and cage for an Italian manufactured quality welded frame and cage, a milk-jug thick fuel tank for a proper thickness fuel tank, a garbage exhaust system to a specialty exhaust system for paramotor use with silencer, a 20 year old straight J--bar hang point system to a modern weight-shift CNC swing-arms that articulate in 2-D, include a quality battery system, include FREE shipping, and included warranty and technical support from a reputable US based company. We should be billionaires soon if everyone falls for this bait and switch!