G&E Shaper First Time Start Up & Run
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- I get the new shaper wired up and fired off! I had a little machining to do before I could get it running, one of the oil sights was missing and a cap had to be made to contain the oil properly.
After the first run, I start getting the machine cleaned up.
Up next we'll work on the lube system.
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304 was the fourth in the line of the "small" shapers at the factory that first gave it a home. 304 spent her first 4 years toiling endlessly making the same part over and over in her part to help with the war effort. With the war over, her factory was silenced for awhile, then slowly converted back to its previous life; 304's steady hum and thrum no longer needed, she was set out to auction where she was picked up by a man with hopes of making a better living for himself and his son who returned from the war. In time 304 found a comfortable place back in her corner of the family shop, making random parts and pieces for the businesses around town, the factory down the road kept her busy for most of her chores. The man who bought her passed the work to his son, who in turn tried to bring the work to his own children. His daughter found a place working the papers in the building but his own son wanted more; he spent his time there in his youth and then went his way with the world. Unexpectedly, the man fell ill and no longer returned. The daughter kept the work going until their jobs were done, the few other men took the time to grease and oil 304 and the others before they shut off the lights. In the darkness she sat for years, seldom visited; the few words of man she heard were of sentiment and grandma having they say. These rare visitors slowly filled the spaces around her with other forgotten things. Finally a day arrived when the visitors came once more; poking and prodding and looking at every little thing around 304, some even had eyes for her. It was not long after that that she made her way to you. of course, most of this is just speculative, but it is what I thought when you said 304.
Best story I've ready all week! You know how to paint a picture in my mind!
Jesus, I got goosebumps when reading that..!
Great story. The old gal is alive again, feeling her oats and putting out like crazy!
The legend of 304 lives on...
Wow !! What a evocative, well crafted piece of work. Thank you for the opportunity to enjoy it
regards
vic
One word, "Pride." A man and his machine, holding on to history.
I called my dad up to my room to watch this. He is 75 and our whole family grew up in MFG here in Aurora. His comment "They had those same machines and many bigger ones at Austin-Western, Thor Power Tool and Barber-Greene! The toolroom guys swore by those G&E's!!" You took my dad back there for a few, and that was cool. :-)
Looks great, I would like to say thanks to the Abom Army volunteers who helped make this happen. Nice job editing in the ambient track during the cleaning.
Nothing like seeing a man who takes pride in his tools, keeps them clean and in good running order. :)
Hi Adam, please mention carbon monoxide sensors in a closed shop with large volume heating. It can be a fatal event, Richard
Awesome seeing another old shaper back in motion, we were very fortunate to save a Zocca 500 (20 inch) machine from scrapyard, and had loads of fun filming the rebuild. Top Work Adam!
Hi Adam, that smile at 17:36 sez it all!! Love it when a machine wakes up! Stay warm, summer will soon be here!
I get a kick out of the cold complaints too. I live in northern Canada, in Fort McMurray Alberta, we generally have freezing weather from October to Mid April, sometimes May 1st. We get snow from November 1 to May 1. The temperatures in winter are anywhere down to -40C. In our community we have a number of mines and refineries and we conduct maintenance in all weather. Welding is a challenge but we get it done. However, as uncomfortable as that is I will take our weather over that southern heat and humidity. I just bought a shaper myself, an older 7" model and I have it up and running and I am looking forward to seeing you using the shaper.
Adam, please be careful. Using a flame fired heater of any kind without external exhaust, indoors, is very dangerous. You risk Carbon Monoxide poisoning. Carbon Monoxide is invisible and odorless and kills more than 100 people per year. We need you alive and well, as you are an awesome contributor and educator.
17:35 The smile says it all. Like a kid on Christmas morning.
Your smile was that of a new dad. Congrats on your new "baby".
Can't believe how well that shaper cleaned up...looks like original paint! You're very lucky to have found such a piece of history, I"m glad to see that it's in good hands and can't wait to see it making chips! When you're ready to sell, message me;-)
Oldie but goodie Adam. Love the way you clean the machine and bring it back to it's former glory. Can't wait for the first project
Now there’s a man who takes pride in his work and his tools! Love your channel Adam!
Nice work! Just thinking of all the folks who helped get it to this point. This is a world full of love and helpfulness. We're so lucky to be in a place where folks build each other up and keep these magnificent tools from the scrap yard. This video ultimately is a testament to human good will, and I'm a proud witness.
Adam,
Well, that is one ABOM sized Shaper, It looks like it has not been used a lot, and I do not see any signs of abuse. Congratulations, It looks like a great find. I know what you said about your dad and his feelings about shapers, but I bet he is smiling at you, my friend. Hope you have a lot of fun with it and it makes you a lot of money.
Gary,
75-year-old Home Shop Machinist.
Gary Jones I’m sure he’d be enjoying seeming me learning to use the machine, just as he did. Funny thing is used to have the same size shaper long ago.
The smile after the 2nd power up says it all. Nice machine. Looking forward to seeing that beast make chips!
That smile on your face when you started the machine awesome 😂👍🏽
Adam, thank you for taking the time to make these videos. I have some of my own machine shop history to share with you. My father and grandfather also had a machine shop when I was a child. L&L Tool in Wichita, KS. Unfortunately they closed and sold out before I was old enough to work with them, but the childhood memories are pretty awesome.
Thanks again
Love the pride you take in your tools! Wish you would have turned the camera around to see your smile as you wiped the grease to see a mint machine!
Watching you clean that shaper up gave me flashbacks to my Submarine days. “If it doesn’t move paint it. If it does move, oil it then paint it.” Was the old saying. I can’t tell you how much grease and oil I have wiped off equipment and how much grey epoxy paint I have slopped around.
the smile on your face when you hit the on switch...
Hey Adam,
That shaper is bad to the bone! Can't wait to see you take some Abom cuts with that beast. What size toolbits does it take? I have some large ones that I can't use for anything I have.
Talk to you soon,
Tom
Tom, the tool holder that come with it is a beast. It’s got a 1 1/8” wide shank, and holds 1/2” Tools. I could probably use 3/4” and 1” bits with a simple shim. Really looking forward to some big heavy cuts!
Adam, if you keep a bucket of clean water to rinse the rag out before putting back into the cleaner will keep the cleaner fresher a lot longer :)
I worked for a company in Toronto that had a long shaper. We did 120" lathe beds (plus the length of the headstock). So the full stroke of the machine must have been 12 feet at least.
I find it really calming to watch these kinds of videos. People taking care of old machines.
Am I wierd? :)
Nope.. it's definitely therapy.
It's always nice to see someone taking care of his machines and keeping them well clean. Clean machines and a clean workshop are always a good sign for someone who is taking care of his work.
Hi Adam-I've worked in my shop with 6 inches of snow on the roof and a foot in the yard between my back porch and the door. (I do woodworking but like to watch machinists in action. I've actually learned a thing or 2 from you.)
I have a small propane fired torpedo heater that I'll run for about an hour before I really start out there then I'll switch to a smaller radiant heater when I do start. One of the things I've found is make sure I have a carbon monoxide sensor in the shop-the propane heaters really put out a lot and you need good ventilation. When I run the torpedo heater I leave the door open about a foot to keep fresh air going but that kind of defeats the purpose-that's why I switch to a radiant heater when I'm actually working
Basically what I'm saying is: be safe!
PS-I really love your channel and a look forward to all your videos.
She is most likely milled and flaked, that's what mine is other than the tilting table that is scraped to fit it's socket in the box. Mine also needs the clutch bumped in order for the course gears to mesh. You got her looking good, takes a few days of messing around with them to get the feel for everything but before long you will be able to run her with your eyes closed.👍
Oil is the blood of a shaper and many have met an early grave due to people overlooking the things you pointed out. She has a good home👊
The new shaper is looking good once you got the rind peeled of it. Nice!
What a beautiful machine. I'm glad it found its way into the capable hands of a competent machinist who will properly use and care for this historic piece of American made machinery.
That facing pass and three chamfers from the same tool was nice. Thanks for everything.
Great Videos as always, love your work.
Bit guys and girls please be careful when using heating apparatus that does not use a flue. Carbon Monoxide poisoning is a real threat and can be produced from burning any fuel. Especially when the products of combustion are not vented externally !
Work safe and not just with your machinery.
If you must heat a space or workshop like this, then familiarise yourselves with the symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning.
Although by the time you realise something is wrong its generally too late !!!
Neil Kennedy
The only certain way to know before it is too late is a CO alarm. Everyone using a flue-less heater should have one, life is worth more than the 20 bucks for a basic alarm.
Awesome video Adam, your smile as you were getting her figured out was pretty awesome to see, I can’t wait to see her making chips
Your Shop Heater. Just a quick one to mention that a 1 KW (1000 watt or 1 Kilowatt) electric heater puts out 3412 BTU and therefore a 1500 watt plug in heater would put out 5118 btu which is just under your oil heater. The oil heater puts out a massive amount of humidity which can rust your equipment and loads of CO which can effect your health. An electric heater is also way cheaper to operate. If using an electric heater it would probably be wise to have a fan to circulate the air. Thanks for the great videos Adam. Rod - retired from BC Hydro Power Smart
Congratulations on the shaper. It’s always good to see a plan coming together.
Nice chunky shaper you got there Adam.
I've not used one since the 70's and it brings back good memories.
Thanks for all your hard work bringing this to us cos it's better than anything on TV!
What a grand old lady. Thank God you found her and have given her a good home
Fantastic, I know the feeling of having all your tools under one roof and running. I love when I leave the daily grind from some other shop and fire up my own machines, it is so rewarding, you've been on a long road my friend and glad to see you have made it over the mountain and thru the woods. Happy days brother happy days
bigdawgsbusa2 you and me both! 👍🏻
Adam
The 3/8 tube from the body to the knee is missing an 1/8 inch tube inside of it. The pressurized oil goes threw the 1/8 inch line and the return oil comes threw the 3/8 inch line around the outside of the 1/8 in line inside the other.
Darryl
A&D Fabrication
I figured that out this weekend and will share soon.
Enjoyed that video very much. In fact this man is an inspiration. Thank you Adam. I just picked up an old INVICTA M6 shaper in good order but she has been sat up unloved for decades. Nothing that can't be sorted. Looking forward to getting her cleaned up and working again. Wishing you your good health and many years of enjoyment with yours. Greetings from Ireland. Thanks again.
all the old ones are making a come back now a lot of guys are restoring them ,the people that forget the past are doomed too repeat it ,we can all learn a lot form are elders, too bad most kids nowadays don't care too know the past ,its grate too see you care about the past Adam, and are restoring the shaper, your grandpa would be very proud of you ,and making all the video's you make help others too understand how too do all the things you show us all how things get done the right way thanks for all the time and money you spend helping us too see how its done .
I could have sworn there was a square drive wrench included in that box of stuff that came with the machine. You might want to double check at your shop before you make or get one. Nice job Adam, think I am going to try to get some of that cleaner to use on my projects, looked like it did a real good job for you.
That is awesome don’t know what more to say but it’s good to see other tradesmen bringing back real iron machines
So nice to see machines like this cared for properly. So use to seeing them dirty and just working away that you forget what a work of art they are. Thank you for brining us along on this. Glad to see you make the plug and glad to see it being cleaned up and working.
Chiiiiiips!
You are inspiring me man, I appreciate so much your way to do things. I've always seen my father working nervously...forcing times, forcing things. Seeing you smiling while you're working gives me a new prospective, a different inspiring model.
this is the first machine I ever ran. I haven't seen one in 30 years. Brought back some memories.
My son bought a Butler shaper similar sized. His has a swinging weight on the slide that moves the cutter up or down. Never wear out a machine like this. Mind that heater Ab in an enclosed space, it uses lots of oxygen.
I liked the little kid grin when you hit the on button.
Good on you. Good smile Happy times.
IRVINGTON, NJ Baby! It's amazing how many pieces of old metal-working / machining equipment comes from there. Nice to see you clean the old lady up, and here's hoping she lasts for 100+ more years! Beautiful machine Adam!
304 is usually shining, unless its a war, but like 304 it keeps on going for what its for.
I have a cast iron block, something like 8 cm thick, 40x40ish cm wide. Don't know exactly, never measured it. I heat that thing with a scrap found glass forge head and let it for about an hour. It doesn't matter how below under 0 C it is, this thing will keep the shop warm for all day long. Just have to remember to not fall in to it. Good for heating beverages and other stuff as well.
aserta nice!
The shaper was the first tool machine I learned to operate 40 years ago. If I had a choice between a shaper and a mill for blocking, I would chose the shaper. It makes a beautiful flat finish and was very relaxing to operate. One thing to watch on a shaper, if the head is tilted and the ram stoke goes far back into the machine the head can snap off if the head is lowered too far. I never did this myself but saw someone else do it. It made a horrible noise and mess. Your video brings back old memories. Thanks.
You could bore out that plug inside to fit a piece of Lexan with a smaller through bore so you could see the oil flow if you think you need to. Just glue the lexan in with some RTV silicon.
and - DAMN that shaper cleaned up nice - shining like a bell! can't believe how great of a condition that thing is in! best of luck with it!
I operated a large shaper like this one in the early sixties to machine off the "bark" (decarburized layer) from tool steel. In those days most tool steel required about 3/16 of material removed from all sides for proper heat treating.
Wow, what a monster, great machine Adam, can't wait to see your first job on her. Your shop is a mere dream for most of us! Great channel, Thank You!
Adam, for the oil line, go to an automotive speed shop and get some braided oil line. Not only does it look cool, it'll be rated for most any oil you can put through it and it will last quite a long time.
I've got a 20 X 16 foot shop with R 28 insulation in the floor, R=24 in the walls and R-50 in the ceiling. I heat it with a 1500 watt radiant oil filled heater. I keep it about 10 C inside, (50 F). That's comfortable for me.
Cool that you got the wild leg, of the three phase, on the first try! Good job.
That is a beautiful rugged machine. It looks like it's in great shape. The ram doesn't appear to have much if any wear on the flaking. Looks like it found a good home.
WOW! That hammer blow on the knob of the cut-off was genius thing!
The scraping marks look impeccable. Flush out the oil ways and journals to be sure they're clean.
A good cleanup makes such a huge difference.
FesixGermany I always tell our operators that cleaning is maintenance. Also aways keep an adjustable open end wrench and screwdriver in your back pocket when you clean a machine. You'll always find loose nuts and bolts. If you have it with you then you'll just tight it automatically but if you need one then you'll forget about it by the time you finish cleaning the machine.
Always looking forward to see a new shop upload from you. That shaper is a beauty of a machine! Great video and very nicely edited when it came about you cleaning it. Was a pleasure to watch. :)
Im happy for you. The shaper brings you joy. I to know the excitement of having a new toy, (machine or tool or whatever). I wish you the best of luck in all your efforts.A friend in Connecticut
Adam I could tell you was happy with that smile, I ran one in trade school not nearly as big as yours but I really enjoyed it.
Glad you got your shaper in good running order. I know how much work machine maintenance is, I do my own machine maintenance as well. I've found that a clean and maintained machine works so much better than one that's not. Cleaning the oil sump as you did probably is the most important thing for service life. Good luck in using your shaper.
Seeing that old beauty run again and some good cleaning put a big smile on my face, Congrats Adam :)
Watch out for CO poisoning . Those heaters are outside framing or construction. Not inside. Heads Up!
Recent subscriber, enjoying the videos. Your intro reminded me a couple weeks back during time off work for Christmas it was frigid outside but I was desperate to do something in garage. I ended up bundling up and heading out there in I think -10 Celsius and made a cart for my gas forge out of some angle iron. It was so cold I had to put a space heater behind the air intake on a little inverter welder to get it to work. I admit it wasn't comfortable but I enjoyed myself more then sitting around inside doing nothing and I was happy with the work I did. Cheers from Ontario.
Johan Vanzanten that’s what I’m talking about!
That is one beauty of a shaper. I've never seen one of that size with that long of a stroke. Great for internal keyways.
I am happy for you. I know the excitement of getting a quality machine that was made when they made quality. It is a work of art. Good Luck!
I know I’m late to the game here, and someone may have already touched on this, but up north it isn’t always as simple as warming the shop back up.
I’m from Iowa and the winters here can be very cold and windy. I struggled with keeping my shop warm enough to work in if it got below 20F. If you don’t have any insulation it is about impossible and definitely impractical to heat a building when the temps stay below freezing or even worse below zero for days or weeks. Just thought I would throw that out there, love the videos.
You smiled lol. I remember that i used one when i was at high school 1985 and i made a golf putter head out of some round bar.
Was always so nervous one 1st stroke.
They are cool old machines... i have a shaper at work, i use it a couple of time a year and it´s fun!
The vise trick to get the nub off that aluminum plug was awesome, never would have thought of that!
Always a good trick for parts that have been parted off.
My friend and I visited the Henry Ford Museum in Detroit several years ago, then again about 10 years later. Gosh, what changes had occurred over that time.
Apparently when the museum was being set up, they failed to provide funds for its long-term operation.
On our first visit there were several huge early machines, really big and heavy ones that I’m sure many were the first of their kind for industrial work. Each weighed several tons.
On the later trip, virtually all of the old machines were gone, to make room for “newer stuff”. We were disappointed that later generations won’t be able to observe first-hand what the inventors of such equipment had to work with in order to build this nation. A 10 ton engine was a sight to behold, even though it probably didn’t produce more than a few horsepower.
We learned that besides making room for the newer stuff, it had been cleared out to procure funds for operation. Shame, but it’s all gone.
As one person wrote, the metal in old equipment was melted down and is probably used for something modern. I guess hair driers and I-pods - if they still have any metal in them
Just reminiscing, and thankful you’re respected the past and continue to use your shaper and other equipment as it was designed. Enjoy.
I used an electric heater from home Depot for $250 new and it worked awesome! I now have a modine hot dog heater and I love it!
I use a 250 watt heat lamp (clear, not a red one) when I work on my car in the winter. Puts plenty of light on the subject, and because it's radiant heat it keeps me warm without having to heat up the air in the garage.
Cant wait to see it in action
Looking great Adam. If you want to make your own sight glass, use "Clear Acrylic" rod. Once you machine it to size, you use an acetylene torch to glaze the sight windows to make them clear. Just a quick pass over it will make it look like it's glass. Jeff
Man it was a great privilege seeing the smile on your face when you first started it up! Abom the "MAM"!
Beautiful machine! Can't wait to see it get some use.
Its ALIVE! Its ALIVE!.......... Man I bet you could shape railroad iron with that machine. Glad everything worked out for you on it. Cleaned up rather well. Can't wait to see some chips rolling of of something..........
Good to see the shaper coming along. I love watching other people clean machines! ;-)
I agree with the heater and not makin excuses. However, here in Minnesota when its -30degrees some days Ive gotta get some serious motivation to go out to the shop.
In ohio in winter to get my shop from 35 to 60 degrees is expensive. It's not that it's hard but it's not as simple as using a fish cooker. A day in the shop costs 40 bucks in propane to keep it warm.
I can really see, that you have the real passion for your work. To be a Machinist, yes you can be proud of that. Real passion, brings you further, it´s the way to see the details, others don´t see.
You make lining up that four jaw look so easy
Hi Adam, On my 16 inch G&E Toolroom Plain, referring to the hose you ran from the frame to the crossrail. There is a small rubber oil delivery hose that runs inside of that hose that leads to the manifold under the sight glass on top of the crossrail.. The excess oil then returns by way of the larger hose.
This was the first machine I ever learned to use when I was in high school. So cool.
Can't remember the last time I saw you turn Aluminum. Congrats on the shaper. Hope it turns out as good as it looks.
What a great machine. I'm no machinist but I can appreciate this, great to see it going to a good home.
Hey Adam, I've been waiting for this video for a while. It's good to see it up and running. I'll be watching for it to fling chips across the shop! My old G&E doesn't have all the controls like yours, but it still is a lot of fun to use.
Buddy
Buddy Lineman Buddy, what’s size and year is your shaper?
It is a 16" made in 1927. I made a video on it awhile back. check it out.
th-cam.com/video/R-41kpjoCtk/w-d-xo.html
That shaper looks neat Adam, you hit a homerun with that one. Nice upgrade from the Sheldon. Cheers buddy!
Hey from Aus Adam,
Great to see the shaper running and the smile on your face, small tip to help with cleaning the hard spots try a long handle hard bristle paint brush, works great for detailing etc, maybe your mum has some saw dust to soak up the surplus you may have in the sump tray area, all the best with it Adam look forward to seeing a project come out of it.
We had one of those at the college I took machine tool technology at. We all got in trouble for riding the clapper box...
Chrus B We’re all young once! Anyone survive high gear?
Great to share your pleasure at getting that ram moving Adam - what a super machine. Well worth a $4,000 smile :)
Clean up sure brought it back to full glory.
Very nice shaper Mr Adam, as for heating my workshop i use a smudge pot heater and use heating oil ,diesel , kerosene.
Cheers,
Mark.