Nice! I’ve been following you for awhile and really enjoy what you share with clarity and reason that resonates. I think you did an amazing job summarizing in this video, imagine it will really help people connect to our ancestral inheritance of the fundamentals of astrology, and am excited that you presented this live too.
नमश्शिवाय|/Namaśśivāya। dear Victor!@@VicDiCaraAstrology Dear Victor, I'd just like to know, Why does Whole sign is considered as a Bhāva? I do consider the same way, But... I request you to answer the following because, I've seen a verse from BPHS from Iṣṭakaṣṭādhyāyaḥ which states: अष्टवर्ग फलम् चैवम् स्थाने च करणेऽन्यथा। राशिद्वयगते भावे तद्राश्यधिपतेः क्रिया॥ In the 2nd line It's said that राशिद्वयगते भावे which means a Bhāva can span 2 Rāśi's... I think some explanation is needed. Maybe you could help me, I'd be obliged to you. Thanks.
So bizarre! I’ve been wanting an answer to this question since I started my journey into astrology a year or so ago and no one has been able to explain it in a way I understood. And funnily enough in the sidereal chart my sun is in Taurus but it just doesn’t make sense at all but my sun is in Gemini in the tropical which I can relate with. Also with my moon being in Virgo and Libra. Thank you!!!!
So simple to understand now, I used to do research on Tropical, then I switched to Sidereal, then now I've found this explanation and it makes perfect sense! Gemini lagna in Tropical😂 with Saturn retrograde in lagna with Rahu closer to lagna degree and Mercury retrograde in 8th house
I have been studying western astrology since I was 9. it was accurate but always seem off. I got a Vedic reading and it didn't seem like me at all. Then I got a chart done by Vic and OMG it all finally made sense. I felt as though this chart was Me. i could identify with 98% of it. I am studying to get a cert. as an Astrologer, but now I want to know more about this way of reading. it makes sense and gives the chart more of a complete feel.
So do you keep changing from chart to chart until you find one that fits? Because vedic uses precise degrees as of where the moon and sun sit in coralation to the time you born aswell on your unique birthday.
The problem is that the Tropical system is valid only for certain areas Like Paris, Switzerland Because it is a system based on the length of day and night, and mainly the movement of the four seasons There are countries that know neither spring nor autumn How can I tell him that your horoscope is Aries when he was born in the cold and snowy winter, compared to his weather?!
According to me, in all humbleness, the main problem with tropical astrology is its kinda artificial, because a planet can be in Sidereal aries and tropical gemini. But if you go out and look up in the sky, you will see that planet in among the star pattern that is associated with aries. This is crux of my argument. Gemini has pattern resembling twins, Pisces has pattern which resembles fish. so on and on. The main problem with tropical is if you say Jupiter is in Mithuna, if you go out and look, jupiter will not be in the pattern associated with mithuna(gemini). Which speaks volumes. I humbly think all the sources you have given in your website as vedic-scriptures' quotations, can either be interpreted differently or is ambiguous.
If you look up to the sky, the stars are not making any meaningful configurations in the zodiac. Cancer would be 3 stars. It's just because someone told you configure them in these ways, you think they are such...
The other huge challenge is that the 12 constellations are all different sizes and not equal... this can change placements and the definitions of them. There's also the Spring and Fall Equinox -- the Sun is not in Aries or Libra but rather Pisces and Virgo. Game Changer aspects to consider. This can make Pisces the 1st sign in the Northern Hemisphere, but the 7th in the Southern. I appreciate you sharing your gifts with the world - enjoy listening to your perspectives..thank you and Much Love.
Perfect! Get it completely now. The nakshatra degree maintains itself for both sideral and tropical charts to the degree but the sign and houses move fwd roughly 25 degrees. Makes sense. Thanks a lot for these videos. So in essense the way to apply both together would be the characteristics of the planet in the nakshatra getting flavoured by the tropical sign and house it sits in along with the vedic aspects and conjunctions that alter it. Seems tough but if its supposed to be dead accurate will try my best to see if it works. God bless
if we look astronomically, today the sun is in gemini, as per vedic/sideral and not in cancer as tropical is marking. Also astonomically we can find regulus (indicates Magha) in Leo constelation while in tropical it is Virgo. So I'm very curious about the motivation to create rasis based on solstice, maybe they used the solstice when it was aligned to zero degrees aries just as a way to map the sky and then detached the figure formed from the stencil. I think that the Sun is important specially because it gives radiance to the planets and that's the reason we can see them in the sky, so transits must follow sidereal or tropical? Nowadays, what's the importance of solstice to indicate the location of starts, since we have all the equipments to see stars on their real position? I mean, solstices are really important, but exactly for what?
@@VicDiCaraAstrology Hey Vic according to Santos Bonacci in a video with Kapiel Raj he said that tropical astrology is 100% accurate so now I have a lot of confidence on your prediction for me. Take care and stay safe out there in Japan!
Nice words But do you think it makes sense for the horoscopes to be built primarily on the movement of the seasons? Seasons are not equal all over the world There are cities ten months in the case of winter or summer, and know neither autumn nor spring I do not think that the constellations in the sky, such as Aries and Taurus, were drawn just because they are the coordinates of the movement of the equinox point. Rather, they themselves express fixed locations for the real constellations The process of merging the two systems makes sense But the tropical system alone is not logical enough
@@RippleDrop.Sidereal works for making accurate predictions. Even though I am a westerner, choosing to study vedic astrology was easy because there are hundreds of books and thousands of research articles to learn from. Whereas western astrology is mostly women and gay men talking about feelings 😂
@@VicDiCaraAstrology Interestingly Edgar Cayce one of the most prolific psychics of our century stated in a trance medium sessions that western Astrology was inaccurate and was off by almost an entire sign. Edgar Cayce, “the sleeping prophet”, predicted in one of his trance sessions that sidereal Astrology (the Sidereal system is used in vedic Astrology) would be the Astrology of the future. Cayce advocated the Sidereal or the Persian system of Astrology in his readings: *“For the Egyptian and the Persian records are quite varied. If the entity would study Astrology, do not put the signs in the Egyptian calendar but in the Persian, for the Persian interpretations are more proficient than the Egyptian. This is not belittling the efforts of the entity nor of the Egyptians in those periods, but the variations in time have been corrected by the Persians and not by the Egyptians. The Egyptian calculations are 30 degrees off.” **#2011**-3 Cayce also clearly stated in a reading: “For most Astrologers are nearly 30 degrees off in their reckoning in the present.”* #3376-2 (“Edgar Cayce’s Secrets of Astrology”) Kirk Nelson Only once to my knowledge did Cayce recommend using the “Egyptian” tropical zodiac rather than the sidereal. This was in relation to the movement of individual stocks in the Market: (Q) “What books on Astrology are best to determine such moves?" (A) *“Those as we find that are of the Egyptian origin; while for individuals' activities use those of the Persian origin. Those of the Persian are as to the activities of individuals...while the Egyptian are as to those that would have to do with activities as related to individuals in speculative activities...”* (826-10)
Vey complex topic, and it seems you began explaining many things quite well; however, there’s still the question that many siderealists use, and that is the actual zodiacal alignments in the night sky is what convinces them that tropical astrology is a lie. I wish you covered a little of that.
Vedic astrology is most accurate as with nakshatra we can get into the true depth, n most logical astrology is vedic astrology but above all these are intuitions.
If we take your example of Moon in Rohini, 1) how much interpretive value do you give to the nakshatra relative to the zodiac sign? are they equally weighted do you give more prominence to the nakshatra than the zodiac or do you even ignore the zodiacal (or nakshatra) quality altogether? 2) the rulership of your moon would change from Venus to Mercury (depending on the systems you use) and so the interpretation of your moon based on ruler position (in houses) and dignity/afflictions (based on the various avasthas, aspects etc) would also change depending on systems. How do you reconcile this when using interpretations from ancient texts which use the sidereal system? 3) are gandanta points sidereal based or tropical?
1) The nakshatra give a clear picture all on their own, but can't always answer the question I place to them. Rather they tell me the answers they want me to know. Zodiac signs are less clear and forthcoming than nakshatra, but much more flexible, because of how they work with house rulers. 2) Use the ruler of the tropical chart of course. Houses (in the classical whole sign system at least) are based on signs (how the signs intersect the horizon), so since the signs are tropical the house rulers must also be tropical. 3) Gandanta is tropical: the elements repeat there, going from water to fire. And the navamsha's end in concert with the end of the signs there. Nakshatras are another layer, but not necessary for the fundamental definition.
Thank you Vic for your clarification. However, I remain unpersuaded on the tropical system but am always appreciative of the efforts of all astrologers. Tropical, sidereal, heliocentric - there are always profound insights to be had in all waters.
Astrology is life astrology is healing astrology is my medicine and salvation. Literally leading for life. I have my beautiful Saturn placed in the 8th house. So it’s the only things keeping me and my heart and soul alive.
Awesome explanation as always. Your moon in Rohini example made it even more clear. Just to be sure, 1) My Mars (in 7th house) is in cancer 5°30 in pushya Nakshatra in sidereal. So, you mean in tropical my Mars will move forward to around 29° in cancer but will remain in pushya Nakshatra only, not ashlesha. 2) My Moon (in 9th house) is in virgo 27°30 in Chitra Nakshatra in sidereal. So, you mean in tropical my Moon will move forward to around 21° in Libra but will remain in Chitra Nakshatra, not vishakha. Am I correct..??
Correction, you said for the tropical you divide the Solstices and Equinoxes by the Moon’s movement and that is not true because the moon revolves around the Earth 13 times every year not 12. Did they simply divide it into 12 because it’s easy and simpler to do equal 30 degrees cuts of the year?
The actual amount is between 12 and 13, slightly closer to twelve. Almost always there are 12 full lunations in a year, every so often a 13th sneaks in. All of the calculations that form the basic foundations of astrology (360 days/degrees & 12 months/signs) are idealized abstractions, because the exact values fluctuate over long periods of time. The systems have mechanisms designs to prevent the estimations' margins of error from accumulating over time ("leap year" type mechanisms)
@@VicDiCaraAstrology No, there are 13 full and complete moon cycles in a year each 27-28 days in length. This is why the Mayans had the Day out of Time and have each lunar month exactly 28 days. It’s quite marvelous and makes sense to noy have arbitrary extra days added to the ends of the month to fill up space.
perhaps it is a clue that they measure the moon against stars and the sun against its own light (solstices). And the zodiac is the intersection of the two. (stellar/sidereal movement of the moon is 13.3 per day)
This is so far the best presentation I have seen on the use of Tropical and Sidereal. If I may ask? What are your thoughts on Draconic Astrology? And do you think the Draconic Zodiac could be looked at as a type of 3rd Zodiac Wheel?
Vic DiCara's Astrology And that is why you are one of my favorite Astrologers I have come acrossed. I to also like the simplicity of classical Astrology. Draconic Astrology is believed to date all the way back to Babylon. And it's actually simple as well..... Simply put, the Draconic Chart is derived from the natal horoscope by transferring the North Node of the Moon back to 0° degrees of Aries. In other words, we take the natal position of the North Node and look at how many degrees are needed to move the North Node back to 0° Aries. That difference in degrees is then subtracted from the natal Angles, the Sun, Moon and the planets to bring them to their draconic position - a new degree and sign of the zodiac. Nothing has changed in terms of the horoscope's gestalt. The planets still remain in the same houses. Nothing has changed in terms of the planetary patterns in their relationship to each other. The aspects between planets and points still remain the same. What has changed however is their location within the zodiac, in terms of degrees and signs.
This explains why my Gemini Punarvasu Moon matches my Tropical Cancer Moon. I could not wrap my mind around how both birth charts could be so wildly different at first glance and then match nearly perfectly in essence. Thank you so much for explaining all of this. I definitely find value in both methods and now my brain can feel justified in believing in both. lol
Interesting that yours is the first comment I've read and this may be a coincidence or a synchronicity but I have these exact moon placements, Gemini/Punarvasu in Sidereal and Cancer in Tropical. An yeah, thanks to his explanation now I understand that in the TRADITIONAL Sidereal sense my moon is not actually in Gemini, it's more correct to say it's simply in Punarvasu "sign" (as in star sign), while in the tropical sense it's in the Cancer sign (as in solar sign). This way I can join the interpretation of the two without letting the interpretation of Gemini in the way. Is this more or less the correct way of looking at it?
@@ceruleandusk That makes sense to me. The whole Gemini thing seemed so odd but also made weird sense because My Tropical Sun is in Aquarius (in Sidereal it's in Capricorn) with the Moon being in Cancer. Those are two very distinct energies that would almost match the twin vibration of Gemini. You could also look at my Leo Ascendant and see the same kind of opposite energies. Either way I am a balance of dueling energies. I'm curious if your Rahu matched in both charts and if not which one resonates more for you?
Why do we not say that measuring the distance between the equinox point and the fixed star is to know where the vernal equinox point is in relation to the fixed star? not more than that And the stars of Aries remain Aries And the stars of Scorpio remain Scorpio!
Regarding the Indian calendar report I haven't read it And what you say makes sense But I did not read it in detail to know the context well. Perhaps I will find another or different understanding Perhaps he meant that the solstices and equinoxes are actually tropical and his words are 100 percent correct Chapters should only be linked to chapters Now is spring, so it is spring. We cannot say it is winter Perhaps that is his intention But on the one hand that interests us, which is astrological maps and zodiac signs, here is a different topic Fixed stars are very important and they are not, as I see it, a fixed point just to measure the distance between the spring season when it is in Libra, we measure it based on the stars of Aries, which is opposite it!
so, I guess there is a use for signs based on the sun energy towards the borning being (personality, material things) and there is another use for rasis, nakshatras, transits, dashas, etc (deeper layer).. I don't know, just trying to understand... Thanks for discussing about it.
Do you know my friend To see the real difference between the two systems, you have to wait a long time Two hundred years from now or when the Aquarius equinox point is in the middle of it Here you will see the difference quite clearly between the qualities of Aries and Aquarius While the difference between Aries and Pisces is not that great, many are not aware of the slight differences between them
Vic. I've had such intense amounts of struggle, frustration and confusion when it comes to trying to figure out where Western or Vedic astrology is the truth. I started with Vedic astrology and fell in love with nakshatras about 3 years ago and have kept with Sidereal since. Is there any way to simplify the difference between these two systems, and if there is something I am not getting could you just like, sum it up because all this info about the Moon and the Sun is confusing me even more. Thank you so much. I've been watching and enjoying your videos on the Planets series so much! literally god sent.
My friend You know that in India there are not four seasons You also know that Aries has nothing to do with spring! Aries can be placed in the summer or a season of thunder and storms Aries is one thing and spring is quite another! Do you see the logic of Aries in the spring? And the energy of Aries and Mars is suitable for the season of flowers and the equinox? Haha my friend!
use whole sign houses, and you are pretty good to go. You wont know nakshatras thou. You might need to manually do that. Or order one: vicdicara.com/r2
@@VicDiCaraAstrology I appreciate the constant reply so much, Vic, also how good of a teacher you are and how much you care, truly, thank you. Although I'd love to, I'm not in a position to afford the chart reading right now, but I'll do my best to rewatch this video and do it the hard way XD. Hope you're well.
Vic may I ask, do you calculate the Nakshatras with Tropical calculations as well? I'd like to pick your brain about that.... God bless and thank you !
I don't agree with this, only because i see the reason the text described the divisons in relation to the equinox is because the stars were made in mind with the seasons, but now the stars are not in alignment of the seasons, and there is nobody to tell us whether or not the divisions should be based on the equinox or the constellations. We dont know if the divisions correlate with only the equinox, or if the texts specified the equinox because that was the easiest way to explain how the stars correlated AT THAT TIME, which doesnt hold true anymore. Therefore there is no real argument for or against.
Why do you say "there is nobody to tell us whether or not the divisions should be based on the equinox or the contellations"? There are many, many very important classical authors telling us it is based on the equinox, and zero of them saying it is based on the constellations. Please see vicdicara.com/tropical for actual examples
who told you that? they use tropical measurements. And even if they descide not to, they are not concerned with astrology but with cosmology - which are not identical.
Thank you ashley. No, unfortunately there isn't anything close. But with Kāla software at least you can configure it to give you the same basic chart as I give.
thank you i saw your video and ive got kala set like u said..I also bought your compatblity report....Do u by any chance sell a chart and balances sheet with just caluations (spelling) That is cheaper without the whole report... I really like to see my boyfriends and family members balances!!!!!
With exception of the moon and somewhat the planets, all other movements of the stars and sun are simply observing the orbit, rotation and wobble of earth! All you are really seeing in the movement of the sun and stars is our own movement!
Vic, there is a good video by Ra Sem Ba on TH-cam explaining how the Tropical calculation is the chart of the dead whereas the Sidereal is the chart of the living. It makes a lot of sense, but I need to test it out on charts. I think that Vedic astrology's origins are from Egypt, but because we live in such a racist world, the occult knowledge is often obscured and not paid attention to.
The ''Sun'' is the basis for tropical and the ''Moon'' is the basis for sidereal??? What do you mean by this and there is no necessity for either to be based on tropical or sidereal. I don't understand your argument at all. You posit that the Moon is ALWAYS with different stars so is the Sun and so are every other stars and planets depending on your framework. You keep making statements but I do not understand your point. Could you clear this or make another video whenever you have time and patience for it.
When you say 2000 years ago was simple mathematics I do understand that but to say that in dvapara yuga they were uneducated is little stretch for me...
Wow. This alters things...this is why you said Jupiter was debilitated during the December 2019 solar eclipse... I just paid to get a chart from you and now I'm more excited how this perspective effects how to evaluate a chart. What software do you use, or do you plan to develop, to show this relationship?
There is not enough logic behind the tropical system other than that it relates to the seasons Is it cold hot? Moderate ? This is the mission of the Tropical System, nothing more than that And I do not think that drawing the zodiac signs in the sky with fixed locations was just for fun Or that the stars of Aries are fixed, but they are always associated with the spring season, even if the spring season is in the sign of Libra, we will say that the sign of Libra is the sign of Aries! My friend, this is not logical enough! It is correct to combine the two systems based on the fixed stars Or rely on fixed stars!
This whole debate is just impossible to make sense of😅 vic's whole video was about how tropical is better because it does the necessary adjustments for the precession of equinoxes whereas elsewhere on the internet people are like sidereal is legit because IT takes the necessary adjustments for the precession of equinoxes 😅 www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-astrology-consider-precession
Please do not take this the wrong way, but what you've been propounding for quite some time is half baked knowledge. Several references from several scholars and scientists have been provided to you in multiple online forums. If you quote a certain text from a certain source, the context has to be considered very carefully. If not, it leads to disasters(as many have attempted over the centuries). Please try to understand the basic difference Phalita and Ganita in Jyotishya(including the multiple Siddhantas) first since that is the root of all the confusion currently. In the meanwhile, please refer to vedicastrology.wikidot.com/profile-of-vinay-jha for a very erudite traditional interpretation of what has been passed down from millenia. Secondly, please refer to ckraju.net/ to a more practical and semi-modern interpretation of what has been passed down since millenia. I do not mean any contempt by these remarks. Just a fellow student of the Sanathana Dharma like you.
Why is Sankranti celebrated on the Nirayana Sun entering the Sign? The Sankranti celebration is not new. In Puri it is been celebrated for many centuries. Probably thousands since the customs of Puri don't change easily, and the Makar Sankranti festival is celebrated across entire Subcontinent. The planetary positions of Sri Rama quoted by Sri Baldev Vidyabhusan from Kha Manikya, specifically of Sun and Moon don't make sense with Nirayana signs. Sun at 10Aries, Nakshatra rising Punarvasu, Karka lagna, Moon and Jupiter Ca27 in Lagna. Navmi tithi, afternoon birth, Abhijit muhurat. Considering Nirayan system as followed now, Moon should be in Pushya and Sun in 10th house Aries or if we consider Moon in Lagna Cancer and Punarvasu, then Sun moves to Pieces, 9th house. The horoscope of Lord Rama as given can make sense with tropical signs and sidereal nakshatras. It doesn't make sense with sidereal signs. But the question remains of Sankranti celebration.
please be more complete in your comments. I cant read your mind (OMG), and it is not likely I will see your comment twice, so please try to phrase a comment in such a way that i will know what you are saying or asking. The north pole is a right angle 90° to the equator, so any motion model that accounts for the equator implicitly accounts for the north pole. If you mean the precession of the pole, it does not tangibly affect the sun's relationship to the poles and equator - rather it affects their relationship to stars.
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Nice! I’ve been following you for awhile and really enjoy what you share with clarity and reason that resonates. I think you did an amazing job summarizing in this video, imagine it will really help people connect to our ancestral inheritance of the fundamentals of astrology, and am excited that you presented this live too.
Thank you!
नमश्शिवाय|/Namaśśivāya। dear Victor!@@VicDiCaraAstrology
Dear Victor, I'd just like to know, Why does Whole sign is considered as a Bhāva? I do consider the same way, But... I request you to answer the following because, I've seen a verse from BPHS from Iṣṭakaṣṭādhyāyaḥ which states:
अष्टवर्ग फलम् चैवम् स्थाने च करणेऽन्यथा।
राशिद्वयगते भावे तद्राश्यधिपतेः क्रिया॥
In the 2nd line It's said that राशिद्वयगते भावे which means a Bhāva can span 2 Rāśi's... I think some explanation is needed. Maybe you could help me, I'd be obliged to you.
Thanks.
This was so incredibly helpful and timely. I needed to hear this explanation. Thank you 🙏
So bizarre!
I’ve been wanting an answer to this question since I started my journey into astrology a year or so ago and no one has been able to explain it in a way I understood.
And funnily enough in the sidereal chart my sun is in Taurus but it just doesn’t make sense at all but my sun is in Gemini in the tropical which I can relate with. Also with my moon being in Virgo and Libra.
Thank you!!!!
So simple to understand now, I used to do research on Tropical, then I switched to Sidereal, then now I've found this explanation and it makes perfect sense!
Gemini lagna in Tropical😂 with Saturn retrograde in lagna with Rahu closer to lagna degree and Mercury retrograde in 8th house
I love the visuals Vic, it really helps me to understand !
I have been studying western astrology since I was 9. it was accurate but always seem off. I got a Vedic reading and it didn't seem like me at all. Then I got a chart done by Vic and OMG it all finally made sense. I felt as though this chart was Me.
i could identify with 98% of it.
I am studying to get a cert. as an Astrologer, but now I want to know more about this way of reading. it makes sense and gives the chart more of a complete feel.
So do you keep changing from chart to chart until you find one that fits? Because vedic uses precise degrees as of where the moon and sun sit in coralation to the time you born aswell on your unique birthday.
💯 agree. vic makes most sense as he forgets the orbs. I totally missed Saturn opposite Jupiter it being 1 degree of western orbs
What is ur big three?
The problem is that the Tropical system is valid only for certain areas
Like Paris, Switzerland
Because it is a system based on the length of day and night, and mainly the movement of the four seasons
There are countries that know neither spring nor autumn
How can I tell him that your horoscope is Aries when he was born in the cold and snowy winter, compared to his weather?!
Exactly
According to me, in all humbleness, the main problem with tropical astrology is its kinda artificial, because a planet can be in Sidereal aries and tropical gemini. But if you go out and look up in the sky, you will see that planet in among the star pattern that is associated with aries. This is crux of my argument. Gemini has pattern resembling twins, Pisces has pattern which resembles fish. so on and on. The main problem with tropical is if you say Jupiter is in Mithuna, if you go out and look, jupiter will not be in the pattern associated with mithuna(gemini). Which speaks volumes. I humbly think all the sources you have given in your website as vedic-scriptures' quotations, can either be interpreted differently or is ambiguous.
I’m a Taurus Moon Tropical and Aries Moon Sidereal. I am far from relating to an Aries Moon.
If you look up to the sky, the stars are not making any meaningful configurations in the zodiac. Cancer would be 3 stars. It's just because someone told you configure them in these ways, you think they are such...
The other huge challenge is that the 12 constellations are all different sizes and not equal... this can change placements and the definitions of them. There's also the Spring and Fall Equinox -- the Sun is not in Aries or Libra but rather Pisces and Virgo. Game Changer aspects to consider. This can make Pisces the 1st sign in the Northern Hemisphere, but the 7th in the Southern.
I appreciate you sharing your gifts with the world - enjoy listening to your perspectives..thank you and Much Love.
HANDS DOWN thee best explanation that exists! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Interesting ❤ Thankyou!
Yes brains explode!
Perfect! Get it completely now. The nakshatra degree maintains itself for both sideral and tropical charts to the degree but the sign and houses move fwd roughly 25 degrees. Makes sense. Thanks a lot for these videos. So in essense the way to apply both together would be the characteristics of the planet in the nakshatra getting flavoured by the tropical sign and house it sits in along with the vedic aspects and conjunctions that alter it. Seems tough but if its supposed to be dead accurate will try my best to see if it works. God bless
Thank you
if we look astronomically, today the sun is in gemini, as per vedic/sideral and not in cancer as tropical is marking. Also astonomically we can find regulus (indicates Magha) in Leo constelation while in tropical it is Virgo. So I'm very curious about the motivation to create rasis based on solstice, maybe they used the solstice when it was aligned to zero degrees aries just as a way to map the sky and then detached the figure formed from the stencil. I think that the Sun is important specially because it gives radiance to the planets and that's the reason we can see them in the sky, so transits must follow sidereal or tropical? Nowadays, what's the importance of solstice to indicate the location of starts, since we have all the equipments to see stars on their real position? I mean, solstices are really important, but exactly for what?
Astronomical constellations have practically nothing to do with astrological signs (please see th-cam.com/video/1bN1aRgRAUE/w-d-xo.html )
Its just a naming issue... it can all be solved by changing the names..
not even
wonderful
calm n clear explanation
u r enlightened soul brother
I thoroughly enjoyed you're explanations, amazing video! 👍
You portray valuable knowledge that can not be easily obtained elsewhere.
thank you
@@VicDiCaraAstrology Hey Vic according to Santos Bonacci in a video with Kapiel Raj he said that tropical astrology is 100% accurate so now I have a lot of confidence on your prediction for me. Take care and stay safe out there in Japan!
I'm glad Santos and Kapiel gave you confidence in Vic DiCara. >.<
Nice words
But do you think it makes sense for the horoscopes to be built primarily on the movement of the seasons?
Seasons are not equal all over the world
There are cities ten months in the case of winter or summer, and know neither autumn nor spring
I do not think that the constellations in the sky, such as Aries and Taurus, were drawn just because they are the coordinates of the movement of the equinox point.
Rather, they themselves express fixed locations for the real constellations
The process of merging the two systems makes sense
But the tropical system alone is not logical enough
Thank you Vic🙂👍☀️🌕
Is sidereal equivalent to the 13 sign system? Bc I have same sun in both Sagittarius ♐️
no, the 13 sign system is a version of "constellational" systems
Thanks again for all of your wonderful work new to your channel 🐈
when will you and Kapiel initiate a debate or discussion on this topic??? 😩✨ It’s about time. You are both legends.
I will take care of this
The issue is siderealist are not open to question. They've made up their minds.
@@RippleDrop. that’s understandable. i’m a siderealist and i love discourse, but i’m no expert.
@@RippleDrop.Sidereal works for making accurate predictions. Even though I am a westerner, choosing to study vedic astrology was easy because there are hundreds of books and thousands of research articles to learn from. Whereas western astrology is mostly women and gay men talking about feelings 😂
@@N.Narwhal this comment made me laugh for quite awhile! Thank you :)
Nice clear explanation. Hope you will make a video with Parisa next to you.
we didn't get the chance
@@VicDiCaraAstrology Interestingly Edgar Cayce one of the most prolific psychics of our century stated in a trance medium sessions that western Astrology was inaccurate and was off by almost an entire sign.
Edgar Cayce, “the sleeping prophet”, predicted in one of his trance sessions that sidereal Astrology (the Sidereal system is used in vedic Astrology) would be the Astrology of the future. Cayce advocated the Sidereal or the Persian system of Astrology in his readings:
*“For the Egyptian and the Persian records are quite varied. If the entity would study Astrology, do not put the signs in the Egyptian calendar but in the Persian, for the Persian interpretations are more proficient than the Egyptian. This is not belittling the efforts of the entity nor of the Egyptians in those periods, but the variations in time have been corrected by the Persians and not by the Egyptians. The Egyptian calculations are 30 degrees off.” **#2011**-3 Cayce also clearly stated in a reading: “For most Astrologers are nearly 30 degrees off in their reckoning in the present.”* #3376-2 (“Edgar Cayce’s Secrets of Astrology”)
Kirk Nelson
Only once to my knowledge did Cayce recommend using the “Egyptian” tropical zodiac rather than the sidereal. This was in relation to the movement of individual stocks in the Market:
(Q) “What books on Astrology are best to determine such moves?"
(A) *“Those as we find that are of the Egyptian origin; while for individuals' activities use those of the Persian origin. Those of the Persian are as to the activities of individuals...while the Egyptian are as to those that would have to do with activities as related to individuals in speculative activities...”* (826-10)
How does this correlate with the mahadasha? I’m so intrigued because I get what you’re saying and I agree.
Vey complex topic, and it seems you began explaining many things quite well; however, there’s still the question that many siderealists use, and that is the actual zodiacal alignments in the night sky is what convinces them that tropical astrology is a lie. I wish you covered a little of that.
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Vedic astrology is most accurate as with nakshatra we can get into the true depth, n most logical astrology is vedic astrology but above all these are intuitions.
If we take your example of Moon in Rohini,
1) how much interpretive value do you give to the nakshatra relative to the zodiac sign? are they equally weighted do you give more prominence to the nakshatra than the zodiac or do you even ignore the zodiacal (or nakshatra) quality altogether?
2) the rulership of your moon would change from Venus to Mercury (depending on the systems you use) and so the interpretation of your moon based on ruler position (in houses) and dignity/afflictions (based on the various avasthas, aspects etc) would also change depending on systems. How do you reconcile this when using interpretations from ancient texts which use the sidereal system?
3) are gandanta points sidereal based or tropical?
1) The nakshatra give a clear picture all on their own, but can't always answer the question I place to them. Rather they tell me the answers they want me to know. Zodiac signs are less clear and forthcoming than nakshatra, but much more flexible, because of how they work with house rulers.
2) Use the ruler of the tropical chart of course. Houses (in the classical whole sign system at least) are based on signs (how the signs intersect the horizon), so since the signs are tropical the house rulers must also be tropical.
3) Gandanta is tropical: the elements repeat there, going from water to fire. And the navamsha's end in concert with the end of the signs there. Nakshatras are another layer, but not necessary for the fundamental definition.
Thank you Vic for your clarification. However, I remain unpersuaded on the tropical system but am always appreciative of the efforts of all astrologers. Tropical, sidereal, heliocentric - there are always profound insights to be had in all waters.
So should we only look at nakshatra for moon placements only? Not rising or sun or are these still relevant?
they are still relelvant. every planet has a sidereal position/ nakshatra position.
@ Thank you
But planets like mars Venus Jupiter Saturn can be calculated the sidderael way right?
Astrology is life astrology is healing astrology is my medicine and salvation. Literally leading for life. I have my beautiful Saturn placed in the 8th house. So it’s the only things keeping me and my heart and soul alive.
Awesome explanation as always. Your moon in Rohini example made it even more clear. Just to be sure,
1) My Mars (in 7th house) is in cancer 5°30 in pushya Nakshatra in sidereal. So, you mean in tropical my Mars will move forward to around 29° in cancer but will remain in pushya Nakshatra only, not ashlesha.
2) My Moon (in 9th house) is in virgo 27°30 in Chitra Nakshatra in sidereal. So, you mean in tropical my Moon will move forward to around 21° in Libra but will remain in Chitra Nakshatra, not vishakha.
Am I correct..??
Correction, you said for the tropical you divide the Solstices and Equinoxes by the Moon’s movement and that is not true because the moon revolves around the Earth 13 times every year not 12. Did they simply divide it into 12 because it’s easy and simpler to do equal 30 degrees cuts of the year?
The actual amount is between 12 and 13, slightly closer to twelve. Almost always there are 12 full lunations in a year, every so often a 13th sneaks in. All of the calculations that form the basic foundations of astrology (360 days/degrees & 12 months/signs) are idealized abstractions, because the exact values fluctuate over long periods of time. The systems have mechanisms designs to prevent the estimations' margins of error from accumulating over time ("leap year" type mechanisms)
@@VicDiCaraAstrology No, there are 13 full and complete moon cycles in a year each 27-28 days in length. This is why the Mayans had the Day out of Time and have each lunar month exactly 28 days. It’s quite marvelous and makes sense to noy have arbitrary extra days added to the ends of the month to fill up space.
perhaps it is a clue that they measure the moon against stars and the sun against its own light (solstices). And the zodiac is the intersection of the two. (stellar/sidereal movement of the moon is 13.3 per day)
now i can understand every single thing you wrote to me. wow
Thank you for your explanation. I went to your website. Ordered a report. Looking forward to learning more.
This is so far the best presentation I have seen on the use of Tropical and Sidereal. If I may ask? What are your thoughts on Draconic Astrology? And do you think the Draconic Zodiac could be looked at as a type of 3rd Zodiac Wheel?
Don't know anything about it. I am a simple, faithful person. I stick with the purest basics and try to be true to them.
Vic DiCara's Astrology And that is why you are one of my favorite Astrologers I have come acrossed. I to also like the simplicity of classical Astrology. Draconic Astrology is believed to date all the way back to Babylon. And it's actually simple as well..... Simply put, the Draconic Chart is derived from the natal horoscope by transferring the North Node of the Moon back to 0° degrees of Aries.
In other words, we take the natal position of the North Node
and look at how many degrees are needed to move the North Node
back to 0° Aries.
That difference in degrees is then subtracted from the natal Angles, the Sun, Moon and the planets to bring them to their draconic position
- a new degree and sign of the zodiac.
Nothing has changed in terms of the horoscope's gestalt.
The planets still remain in the same houses.
Nothing has changed in terms of the planetary patterns in their relationship
to each other.
The aspects between planets and points still remain the same.
What has changed however is their location within the zodiac, in terms of degrees and signs.
This explains why my Gemini Punarvasu Moon matches my Tropical Cancer Moon. I could not wrap my mind around how both birth charts could be so wildly different at first glance and then match nearly perfectly in essence. Thank you so much for explaining all of this. I definitely find value in both methods and now my brain can feel justified in believing in both. lol
Interesting that yours is the first comment I've read and this may be a coincidence or a synchronicity but I have these exact moon placements, Gemini/Punarvasu in Sidereal and Cancer in Tropical.
An yeah, thanks to his explanation now I understand that in the TRADITIONAL Sidereal sense my moon is not actually in Gemini, it's more correct to say it's simply in Punarvasu "sign" (as in star sign), while in the tropical sense it's in the Cancer sign (as in solar sign). This way I can join the interpretation of the two without letting the interpretation of Gemini in the way. Is this more or less the correct way of looking at it?
@@ceruleandusk That makes sense to me. The whole Gemini thing seemed so odd but also made weird sense because My Tropical Sun is in Aquarius (in Sidereal it's in Capricorn) with the Moon being in Cancer. Those are two very distinct energies that would almost match the twin vibration of Gemini. You could also look at my Leo Ascendant and see the same kind of opposite energies. Either way I am a balance of dueling energies. I'm curious if your Rahu matched in both charts and if not which one resonates more for you?
@@roximamau feel like intellectual?
@@glendarodriguez7706 Well, yes, but my sun is in Aquarius. lol
@@roximama but u feel like gemini
Social adaptative?
In Vedic I’m a Virgo with Aquarius moon and in western I’m a libra Pisces moon which one do I follow ?
Your tropical sign Zodiac stands for sun ☀️
WOW! THANK YOU. You are a Divine Amazing Teacher. The best explanation ever in cyber space! Wish i could explain it so well...:)Thank you so much.
loving your insight :)
Is it okay I follow my tropical nakshatra over my sidereal nakshatra? Ex a Uttarashada moon versus a shrvana moon?
Not really. Because nakshatra are stars.
Why do we not say that measuring the distance between the equinox point and the fixed star is to know where the vernal equinox point is in relation to the fixed star?
not more than that
And the stars of Aries remain Aries
And the stars of Scorpio remain Scorpio!
Awesome!!!!
Regarding the Indian calendar report
I haven't read it
And what you say makes sense
But I did not read it in detail to know the context well. Perhaps I will find another or different understanding
Perhaps he meant that the solstices and equinoxes are actually tropical and his words are 100 percent correct
Chapters should only be linked to chapters
Now is spring, so it is spring. We cannot say it is winter
Perhaps that is his intention
But on the one hand that interests us, which is astrological maps and zodiac signs, here is a different topic
Fixed stars are very important and they are not, as I see it, a fixed point just to measure the distance between the spring season when it is in Libra, we measure it based on the stars of Aries, which is opposite it!
so, I guess there is a use for signs based on the sun energy towards the borning being (personality, material things) and there is another use for rasis, nakshatras, transits, dashas, etc (deeper layer).. I don't know, just trying to understand... Thanks for discussing about it.
thanks Vic! I relate to the tropical system...
Do you know my friend
To see the real difference between the two systems, you have to wait a long time
Two hundred years from now or when the Aquarius equinox point is in the middle of it
Here you will see the difference quite clearly between the qualities of Aries and Aquarius
While the difference between Aries and Pisces is not that great, many are not aware of the slight differences between them
Vic. I've had such intense amounts of struggle, frustration and confusion when it comes to trying to figure out where Western or Vedic astrology is the truth. I started with Vedic astrology and fell in love with nakshatras about 3 years ago and have kept with Sidereal since. Is there any way to simplify the difference between these two systems, and if there is something I am not getting could you just like, sum it up because all this info about the Moon and the Sun is confusing me even more. Thank you so much. I've been watching and enjoying your videos on the Planets series so much! literally god sent.
There is no shortcut, unless we are in person and having a conversation - i cant make it easier for you than what is on vicdicara.com/tropical
My friend
You know that in India there are not four seasons
You also know that Aries has nothing to do with spring!
Aries can be placed in the summer or a season of thunder and storms
Aries is one thing and spring is quite another!
Do you see the logic of Aries in the spring?
And the energy of Aries and Mars is suitable for the season of flowers and the equinox?
Haha my friend!
Zodiac has nothing to do with the seasons but the Celestial equanox
Where or How could I calculate my chart using this new method? Just use Vedic astrology on my Western birth chart?
use whole sign houses, and you are pretty good to go. You wont know nakshatras thou. You might need to manually do that. Or order one: vicdicara.com/r2
@@VicDiCaraAstrology I appreciate the constant reply so much, Vic, also how good of a teacher you are and how much you care, truly, thank you. Although I'd love to, I'm not in a position to afford the chart reading right now, but I'll do my best to rewatch this video and do it the hard way XD. Hope you're well.
@@VicDiCaraAstrology So basically use the Western zodiac, but whole sign houses? Is that it?
Vic may I ask, do you calculate the Nakshatras with Tropical calculations as well? I'd like to pick your brain about that.... God bless and thank you !
Great explanation. If the Rashis are indeed defined by the Solar energies (equinoxes, solstices), then this must be correct.
I don't agree with this, only because i see the reason the text described the divisons in relation to the equinox is because the stars were made in mind with the seasons, but now the stars are not in alignment of the seasons, and there is nobody to tell us whether or not the divisions should be based on the equinox or the constellations. We dont know if the divisions correlate with only the equinox, or if the texts specified the equinox because that was the easiest way to explain how the stars correlated AT THAT TIME, which doesnt hold true anymore. Therefore there is no real argument for or against.
Why do you say "there is nobody to tell us whether or not the divisions should be based on the equinox or the contellations"? There are many, many very important classical authors telling us it is based on the equinox, and zero of them saying it is based on the constellations. Please see vicdicara.com/tropical for actual examples
sir ji , u r wonderful
But why does NASA and other scientific asteomers use sideral measurements?
who told you that? they use tropical measurements. And even if they descide not to, they are not concerned with astrology but with cosmology - which are not identical.
Your natal report is a masterpiece all the way around!!!Any software that comes close to your report that you can recommend???
Thank you ashley. No, unfortunately there isn't anything close. But with Kāla software at least you can configure it to give you the same basic chart as I give.
thank you i saw your video and ive got kala set like u said..I also bought your compatblity report....Do u by any chance sell a chart and balances sheet with just caluations (spelling) That is cheaper without the whole report... I really like to see my boyfriends and family members balances!!!!!
@@VicDiCaraAstrology hello dear Vic is there any change in software region after one year 🙏
would you do a talk on the Mahabharata or astrology in the Mahabharata ? also would you do a talk on the chakras or the astrology in chakras ?
Staring up at the sky used to be the Internet
With exception of the moon and somewhat the planets, all other movements of the stars and sun are simply observing the orbit, rotation and wobble of earth! All you are really seeing in the movement of the sun and stars is our own movement!
Well, what if Earth were flat and not moving?
It's all so confusing this is why I will never study I can't choose one System over the other , so I study both even more confusing
Thank you for this super clear and concise presentation! Love the history and all the references... (I'd like to transcribe this.)
This is the first time I get it!
Vic, there is a good video by Ra Sem Ba on TH-cam explaining how the Tropical calculation is the chart of the dead whereas the Sidereal is the chart of the living. It makes a lot of sense, but I need to test it out on charts. I think that Vedic astrology's origins are from Egypt, but because we live in such a racist world, the occult knowledge is often obscured and not paid attention to.
April D. I can’t say I disagree with ur last sentence at all. So true - unfortunately.
Where do you find any ''Astrology' in Vedanga Jyotisa? Could you please direct me to pertinent references in VJ?
The ''Sun'' is the basis for tropical and the ''Moon'' is the basis for sidereal??? What do you mean by this and there is no necessity for either to be based on tropical or sidereal. I don't understand your argument at all. You posit that the Moon is ALWAYS with different stars so is the Sun and so are every other stars and planets depending on your framework. You keep making statements but I do not understand your point. Could you clear this or make another video whenever you have time and patience for it.
When you say 2000 years ago was simple mathematics I do understand that but to say that in dvapara yuga they were uneducated is little stretch for me...
Wow. This alters things...this is why you said Jupiter was debilitated during the December 2019 solar eclipse...
I just paid to get a chart from you and now I'm more excited how this perspective effects how to evaluate a chart. What software do you use, or do you plan to develop, to show this relationship?
I get it! :}
There is not enough logic behind the tropical system other than that it relates to the seasons
Is it cold hot?
Moderate ?
This is the mission of the Tropical System, nothing more than that
And I do not think that drawing the zodiac signs in the sky with fixed locations was just for fun
Or that the stars of Aries are fixed, but they are always associated with the spring season, even if the spring season is in the sign of Libra, we will say that the sign of Libra is the sign of Aries!
My friend, this is not logical enough!
It is correct to combine the two systems based on the fixed stars
Or rely on fixed stars!
This whole debate is just impossible to make sense of😅 vic's whole video was about how tropical is better because it does the necessary adjustments for the precession of equinoxes whereas elsewhere on the internet people are like sidereal is legit because IT takes the necessary adjustments for the precession of equinoxes 😅
www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-astrology-consider-precession
thats not what the whole video is about at all.
Please do not take this the wrong way, but what you've been propounding for quite some time is half baked knowledge. Several references from several scholars and scientists have been provided to you in multiple online forums. If you quote a certain text from a certain source, the context has to be considered very carefully. If not, it leads to disasters(as many have attempted over the centuries). Please try to understand the basic difference Phalita and Ganita in Jyotishya(including the multiple Siddhantas) first since that is the root of all the confusion currently. In the meanwhile, please refer to vedicastrology.wikidot.com/profile-of-vinay-jha for a very erudite traditional interpretation of what has been passed down from millenia. Secondly, please refer to ckraju.net/ to a more practical and semi-modern interpretation of what has been passed down since millenia.
I do not mean any contempt by these remarks. Just a fellow student of the Sanathana Dharma like you.
the links you provided seem to be linked to profiles of people or entire websites. Please present a more concise argument.
Why is Sankranti celebrated on the Nirayana Sun entering the Sign? The Sankranti celebration is not new. In Puri it is been celebrated for many centuries. Probably thousands since the customs of Puri don't change easily, and the Makar Sankranti festival is celebrated across entire Subcontinent.
The planetary positions of Sri Rama quoted by Sri Baldev Vidyabhusan from Kha Manikya, specifically of Sun and Moon don't make sense with Nirayana signs. Sun at 10Aries, Nakshatra rising Punarvasu, Karka lagna, Moon and Jupiter Ca27 in Lagna. Navmi tithi, afternoon birth, Abhijit muhurat.
Considering Nirayan system as followed now, Moon should be in Pushya and Sun in 10th house Aries or if we consider Moon in Lagna Cancer and Punarvasu, then Sun moves to Pieces, 9th house.
The horoscope of Lord Rama as given can make sense with tropical signs and sidereal nakshatras. It doesn't make sense with sidereal signs.
But the question remains of Sankranti celebration.
And the North Pole is out of your accounts?
please be more complete in your comments. I cant read your mind (OMG), and it is not likely I will see your comment twice, so please try to phrase a comment in such a way that i will know what you are saying or asking. The north pole is a right angle 90° to the equator, so any motion model that accounts for the equator implicitly accounts for the north pole. If you mean the precession of the pole, it does not tangibly affect the sun's relationship to the poles and equator - rather it affects their relationship to stars.