If you mean the cannons at the front of the cruisers and the Kirishima they are shock cannons like the Yamato's, although much weaker and take a lot of time to recharge. I would like to see them being used as well. It would make the battle more interesting as they would be capable of damaging the Gamilas ships. In the battle of Mars where Earth repelled the first Gamilas wave it was thanks to these weapons, so yes, it is a shame they didn't show them in action.
Oh damn, I thought that was just some kind if intake port. Well, since you seem to know a bit about this setting, can you explain the glowing ports facing forward on every Gamillan ship? Are they brake-engines, or just vents for power plant radiation?
The first episode was devastating, 99.99% of the UN space fleet destroyed. Even more devastating is when the lone single ship returns home, they saw a planet bomb and can't even defend nor deflect its trajectory making earth a heap of mess. Don't worry, there's a pay back.
Kirishima was the sole survivor under admiral Okita, the Kirishima, now under a different captain was also the ship that rendered salute to Yamato as she left Mother Earth
the real kicker is that this battle was the last one between UNCF ships and not the Yamato just think how many ships were lost throughout the course of the Entire war, not just this battle
@@weirdassenbychild7452 In the Manga Kirishima tries to shot down the planet bomb targeted at Yamato until they burn out their main guns.. so there was more action involving more ships than Yamato
The First War is essentially WWI naval combat in space. Battleships lined up in battle lines slugging it out with main caliber guns while smaller ships tried to scout out where the battleships are and not to get killed in the crossfire. No fighters, few torpedos, just lots and lots of guns. To make it even funnier, they are actually using coincidence range finders to control guns at 0:40.
@@shadowcarthage - I mean why was it in the cartoon? Playing cheerful music while something bad happens makes no sense. It was also a fucking terrible song. Don't they understand storytelling? Music sets the tone. It wasn't that way in the original. th-cam.com/video/1xILUFJPF9g/w-d-xo.html
it's called Soundtrack Dissonance, an film term of playing cheerful and light hearted music over an violent or edgy scene. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoundtrackDissonance
When I first started watching this series it wasn’t clear who was who, so I was routing for the villains through this whole conflict, impressed by how they crushed their opponents under their metaphorical boot.
Mamoru Kodai was a beast. You can tell from this battle that he was a cut above the rest. If the UNCN was better equipped for the war, I think that Mamoru would have been a force to be reckoned with.
@@Bleachsoul13 Wave Motion Gun? Dessler Canon? Space magic? They can't hold a candle to the epitome of badassery that is Mamoru Kodai. His only equal is Bright Noa, who wields the mighty Bright Slap.
Was a beast? In the Manga Mamoru Kodai is later revealed to be alive operating under the alias "Captain Harlock", the same Captain Harlock from the anime/manga. He was supposed to be revealed at the end of the show as Harlock when they arrive at Iscandar, but due to rights issues with the original rights holder they had to change it.
if it aint broken dont fix it. but i get what you're saying, even civilians use laser rangefinders nowadays. personally i think the rangefinder adds to the WW2 aesthetic and feel these ships are going for.
I believe that since this is in space, there might be light lag if you use an active rangefinder so they use coincidence because it's passive and you don't have to send a laser out to get a return.
@@Pollux_E light lag would be a problem at the extreme ranges spacecraft would engage each other at definitely. that might be one thing that draws ships in closer is so their energy weapons become more effective.
@@Pollux_E Yeah it only looks like its close, these ships are rather large, and the distances they were firing at, much much larger. There's still radar, but I think Yamato was the first to get that. But, as the guy above said, it's a ww2 aesthetic & feel, so maybe they were going for proven early war tech.
I've always wondered why the humans didn't invest heavily in missiles. The lasers don't seem to do anything more than scratch the enemies' armor, but the missiles were pretty effective.
The missiles used at the end were next-generation prototypes that would be utilized in the Yamato. The older missiles can be seen in action when the Kirishima fires a full spread which go wide and hit nothing. There's likely some kind of jamming going on from the Gamilon side preventing older targeting systems from getting a proper lock.
@@Bleachsoul13 I'm pretty sure the yukikaze was very customized and way better than the rest of the ship fleet. And as you said it fired custom missiles that were prototype im pretty sure it also had torpedoes
@@Bleachsoul13 I can understand jamming but what about the explosions the explosives turned into big balls that stayed still that doesn’t happen in real life. Maybe thats what ports on the Gamilon ships do they contain the explosion. That would explain why they change colour in battles.
With the exception to Kantai Collection, why must every Ship named Shimakaze in anime be sunk? Sunk in - Azur Lame, Strike Witches, Space Battleship Yamato and 2199, Highschool Fleet (off screen), Mobil Suit Gundam 0083 (nuked), and AGAIN in SBY Resurrection!
The original series had lots of overtones of the Second World War, particulary in how outnumbered and outgunned the Japanese fleet was at the end. Even when they hit American Ships it sometimes seemed they weren't doing any damage while every hit on there ships was catastrophic.
Perhaps later in the war, but at the start, they knew they were hitting the Allied Fleets hard. But, what actually happened, was that the Japanese overestimated their kills. Then they were inflated outrageously. For example, at the Battle of Savo Island, a severe defeat for the Allied Fleets, the Japanese didn't claim 4x Cruisers sunk. They claimed nearly 10x Cruisers sunk. Some of that, might be because of identification, such as the Bagley-class Destroyer USS Jarvis DD-393. She was mistaken for a larger Australian Cruiser and the Japanese went all out to sink her. She was already damaged, having taken a torpedo meant for the USS Vincennes prior to the Battle of Savo Island, and had been withdrawing to Australia for repairs, despite orders to go to another location. The confusion was the result she didn't have a working radio and no one was keep an eye on her when she left unexpectedly. Eventually, the Japanese sent 31 planes from Rabaul. Damaged, down at the bow, and limping along, it was a forgone conclusion. There were no survivors of her remaining 244 men. If I recall right, the Japanese would ultimately claim to have essentially sunk the entire Allied Pacific Fleet at least twice over, maybe thrice. So you can imagine, two years later, it seems like there is an avalanche of ships coming at them and there's nothing that can be done to stop them. Ironically, the Japanese sat on their laurels after the first battles. Having bested the US and Australians in combat or been fought to a draw and the odd lost, the Japanese were convinced they were better. They had the better torpedoes, tactics, and capabilities, especially at night. But the US Navy alone began sweeping changes, taking the full brunt of the Japanese attacks more often than not. These included major changes such as diesel electric back ups, more emergency lighting, that damn torpedo issue finally fixed, new tactics, and even major retrofitting of existing ships and those still on the slipways to fix shortcomings before the ships got into combat. Then, the US Navy started to learn as they got the Peace Time Routines knocked out of them and learned to expect a real fight every time they went into combat.
@@FLJBeliever1776 Also didnt help the Japanese that just a year after Pearl Harbor, the US Military Industrial Complex had switched into high gear. They were churning out ships, planes and munitions left right and center to fuel not one but three war fronts! Not only that but they were constantly improving. The North Carolina class of ships were the first battleships the US built since the end of WWI and the signing of their own naval treaty, and even those got eclipsed about a year later when the Iowa-class was introduced.
@@LtCWest - Actually, the US Navy got to work on new Battleships as early as 1937. The plan was originally for 4x North Carolina-class Battleships. Then it was judged that more Battleships were going to be needed, but the North Carolina-class still had Treaty considerations. As such, the US Navy began work on what would be the South Dakota-class Fast Battleships. This is why there were only two North Carolinas. Originally there were to be four. But the US Navy shifted to the South Dakota-class instead. They were able to do so, because Congress authorized increase support for the US Navy. In fact, there were three Pre-War Naval Bills passed by Congress from 1937-1940. The last bill greatly enhanced the US Navy, authorizing not only what would be the Iowa-class Fast Battleships and Montana-class Dreadnought Battleships, but almost 20 Carriers, 12,000 Aircraft of all types, and numerous Cruisers, Destroyers, Submarines, and other Naval vessels from Seagoing Combatants to Port Support Ships. Also, 1939 and 1940 happened and the US Army, alarmed, began immediate work to remedy its shortcomings. The T1 Combat Car was quickly phased out for the M2 Medium Tank and M2 Light Tank. The M2 Medium was following Pre-Battle of France Doctrines in Tank Warfare. Which, after June 1940, became obvious it was not going to work. So the US Army stopped the M2 Medium's production in favor of the M3 Lee. The M2 Light Tank was originally developed as a Cannon Armed Male Tank and a Two Machine Gun Armed Female Tank, nicknamed the Mae West for the two turrets that held the two .30 caliber Machine Guns. Immediately, the Mae West Tanks were converted to Cannon Armed Tanks with 37mm Guns, but still had a lot of short comings. As such, the US Army began to fast track the M3 Stuart into service. The M5 Stuart would be a great improvement over the M3 version, which was the M3 as it should have been. The original M3s were very close in design and appearance to the M2 Mediums, so much so, unless you know what to look for you can't tell the difference, which is also how they operated as both were essentially the same Tank with differences. Like Twins that are not Identical. The M4 Sherman was already being designed, developed, and tested even before the first M3 Lees were being assigned. All of that Tank work, from 1939-1942. As you can guess, the US Industrial Complex was already getting kicked awake. Roosevelt had spent 1940 getting ready and then he spent 1941 seeing everything come together. But nothing was complete when Pearl Harbor was bombed. In fact, the US Army was still fine tuning their doctrines when the bombs fell. As such, they fought WW2 with a doctrine and arrangements they simply hadn't had time to finish. And still the US Military answered the call. As did US Industry, but the first show of US Industries power was not until 1943, when the USS Essex finally arrived and even then, the CV-10 USS Yorktown wasn't available for another four months, with the next ship not available until the Summer. More than half of the Essex-class was either never finished or didn't arrive until the start of 1945. The US had the Industry and had it started to churn things out in 1939, then the full might of it would have been felt in 1942. As it was, it was late to the party. US Strategy, Tactics, Leadership, Daring, Improvisation, Intelligence, and Japanese Blunders, Habits, and Rivalries, fought the Pacific War to its conclusion in 1942. It was a case that Japan didn't accept the war was lost in 1942 until 1945.
I keep having to remind myself that we're almost certainly seeing the abridged version of a battle that likely took most of a day, just so I don't feel so bad for all the ships & crews looking like they got annihilated with one shot. Like... they at least got to stand up to some hits we didn't see and get a few good shots off before they went down, right? ....right?
The actual episode might have a timeskip in the middle, but most of those ships were indeed dying to single hits. Only two enemy ships died that day, one kill by Yukikaze with torpedo fire and the second was a friendly fire hit.
haha yeah I guess so, I was just half-jokingly hoping that the presentation might not be 100% diagetic because of running time and aesthetic considerations, and that the fleet might have "really" gone down a little harder in the same way that they're "really" not that close to each other and the characters are "really" 3D flesh & blood people like us who we're just seeing an animator's drawings of. cuz otherwise maaan that suuuuucks, all those huge, proud, beautiful ships and brave crews as helpless as doughboys at the Somme. Ya hate to see it. On the other hand tho, it sure sets up the Gamillans as strong and thus the Yamato as even stronger. Always gotta hand it to the Yamato, she is a fuckin *beast* Probably my favorite ship in all of science fiction.
1:57 on this scene, the cannons look like they're rifled, what is it for? do they still use conventional kinetic weaponry alongside the compression laser cannons? another question, why do UNCF ships look like they have no point defense weaponry at all? i know they have point defense guns but still, no visual hardpoints, is there any lore reasons or just the production reasons?
The rifling is probably just an aesthetic choice. I don't believe it has a purpose. As for the complete lack of point defense guns, it's never addressed.
For the rifling, heat dissipation. But them using kinetic weapons would have been better. The Kongo did have point defense, but it looked like machine guns, not auto or rotary cannons.
Wouldn't be much of a desperate war for survival if humanity had mobile suits or the tech from that universe, the early Universal Century stuff alone would easily decimate Gamilan naval forces within minutes of entering range, easily wreaking havoc onto neatly arranged ship formations electronically impaired by their presence alone. I'd wager they would even be able to capture any one of the warships for reverse engineering too, as opposed to relying solely on limited, mysterious Iscandarian tech.
@@sonnykwong8801 The Red Comet alone would be a massive pain in the ass, especially since we see missiles here are extremely effective against Gamillas warships. Now imagine waves of Zaku IIs with rapid fire 120mm machine guns. Big oof
@@ethanmaynes5358 gamilas destroyer especially the kripiteria class are really fast en maneuvrable not like the ship in gundam and they carrie a lot of missile they can easily take down basic zaku but not the red comet or one of those as
I always thought after watching the reimagined series version of this battle, as shown above, is if the one human Cosmonavy missile destroyer was able to do that much disruption in the Gamelon fleet to cover the flag ship's retreat, after so many other human ships were destroyed so easily, then the humans had idiotic tactics from the start. They should have used far more of the same methods as the single missile destroyer did.
In lore materials, they stated that the Yukikaze (the Destroyer in question) had new prototype torpedoes and missiles. I'm assuming that they must have higher yields and possibly better guidance systems, because in this same clip we see the Kirishima fire a whole salvo of missiles which go wide and miss the enemy ships. So while the Cosmo Navy missiles might work in theory, Gamilon ECM would have rendered them useless. But yes they should have gone evasive from the start.
@@godlucifer8428 The reliance on optical ranging despite the confirmed existence of Radar and LADAR would imply that some form of ECM is being used. There are tons of contextual clues.
@@godlucifer8428 Well a major one is that while radar and LADAR both function for acquiring enemy vessels, disabling those systems doesn't impede a ship's ability to use its weapons. In the Rainbow Nebula, the Yamato had all its sensor arrays shot off, and yet the main guns and AA turrets could still aim and fire at enemy ships and targets. Hell, even when their sensor arrays are operational, the consoles are shown using the optical rangefinders to aim at targets. There would be little reason for this if radar and LADAR could get a solid lock on the position and speed of the target. There are other scenes too where Gamilon ships miss the Yamato completely despite it traveling in a straight line at a constant speed. Also, ECM is a thing in the modern day. I don't see why it wouldn't be a thing in 2199.
in Yamato 2202 sequel to 2199...Kongou Class Space BBs are Warp Capable and equiped with Wave motions Engines same goes for the Murasame Class Heavy Cruisers and Yukikaze Class Torpedo Destroyers...if those ships where in 2199 the gamilans will have a very hard time destroying them because those Updated and Refitted Earth ships can Blast a Gatlantean Cruiser , battleship and Carrier to pieces
we got something to say at least. Garmillans crews were pretty incompetent through the whole anime they always relied on the technological advantage so when the yamato showed up it showed how incompetent they were. They friendly fire, a lot.
@@Bleachsoul13 Not that good of an analogy. If a modern missile cruiser (except maybe the Kirov) got hit with WWI artillery it would definitely hurt a lot. What a missile cruiser can do is pound the opponent before it even gets into range. Here, the Gamilans could stand toe-to-toe, taking it as well as dishing it out.
@@zorkmid1083 It isn't a perfect analogy, but close enough. Keep in mind that the Mursame and Kongo-class ships in the Cosmo Navy pack a Spinal Shock Cannon which is powerful enough to actually destroy Gamilas ships in a single shot, but the charge time precluded its use in this fight. Sort of like how a modern missile Cruiser could lock and fire its missiles at a WW1 Battleship before said Battleship could range the missile Cruiser. All the firepower in the world doesn't do you any good if you can't use it.
@@Bleachsoul13 - To my knowledge, those Shock Cannons were a post war addition not a pre-war function. They didn't have the power nor the technology to employ them until after Yamato got back from her journy. Of course, I haven't 2202 yet, so I may be wrong. Because every ship AFTER Kirishima was decommissioned was said to be a modified design with new refits added in. UNCN Kirishima was stated that she was only ship to survive the war of the original Pre-War Navy and the only ship to survive the war other than Yamato. And she doesn't have the equipment that later ships of her class have. Lately, I have been noticing a trend in the Japanese Entertainment Media, specifically Anime and Manga, to have multiple models of something that is identical, yet they have such radical differences as to be completely different altogether. A good one is in Macross Delta. Delta Platoon operates a Fighter that is said to be a custom of the standard Fighter used by the rest of Xaos, the PMC they belong too. Yet, if you look at the two Fighters in all three models and set them next to each other, they're radically different in design, capabilities, and general appearance. They share the exact same designation, but the name was changed because Delta was flying some 'Custom' models. Really stupid really. So while the 2199 Kongo-class and the 2202 Kongo-class long superficially the same, that would be like comparing the South Dakota-class, North Carolina-class, and Iowa-class Fast Battleships as the same ships, despite that the Iowas were both larger and faster and used Mark 7 50 caliber 16in guns as opposed to Mark 6 45 caliber 16 inch guns of the preceding two classes. Some might point out the Standard-Type Dreadnoughts the US Navy fielded, but those also had some differences to one another, they were just kept to a standard form. Interesting thing I've heard about some of the American Cosmo Navy Cruisers, though. They apparently, appear like the Kongo-class, yet are classified as Cruisers. Not Battleships, as they follow the US Navy's naming convention, which is that Cruisers are named after Famous Battles. Missile Guided Cruisers anyways.
From the original anime, near as I can add it all up, the reason the Gamilas ships were so difficult for the Cosmo Navy to damage was due to the 'rare elemental alloy', as Sanada refers to it in the English dub, they are made from. An alloy found on a moon of Saturn, which we find a damaged Yamato attempting to extract in the episode where we find the elder Kodai's ship crashed. This also helps explain Yamato's resistance to damage. While the same alloy is used to build and maintain Yamato, it is not in as purified a form as the Gamilas use. Armed with this knowledge, the engineers who design and maintain Yamato's weapon systems are able to fine tune the ships weapons to make them far more effective against the Gamilas. As for why the Cosmo Navy was not so strong in the first place, the Planet Bombs began well before Earth was aware of the existence of the Gamilas, so the ships they are employing were made with purely Human made alloys and weaponry. While the energy weapons do not seem to be effective, the projectile weapons, with sufficient momentum behind them from their firing ship, are able to penetrate the armor of the Gamilas ships. The only question this leaves, is why the Cosmo Navy's fighters are more effective at first against the Gamilas 'war planes' as they were named in Star Blazers. Perhaps this is due to a lighter version of the alloy used by the Gamilas so their fighters used less fuel and could carry more weaponry. Or, again, with sufficient velocity, perhaps the Cosmos Tigers were able to penetrate the enemy armor. Either way...still a fun story.
wrong sci fi there my adversary, this anime oged before star wars by a few years, in fact star wars was believed to be inspired by SBY, whilst star trek came after star wars, meaning it could have been inspired by star wars. EDIT: my point, these aren't phasers by any means, just antimatter weapons, much more similar to turbolasers than "phasers"
The small destroyers and the yukikaze going in close to the Garmillian fleet reminds me of the Rocinante for some reason i dont know why but it does to me. All it needs to be like the roci is some PDC's all over it, no windows except the airlock, rotating living quarters for gravity or decks stacked perpendicular to the engine, a railgun that fires positron slugs and more torpedoes/missiles, a sh%t load of them. Build alot of them and it might give the UN a chance with em positron slugs that will pass through their shields like the shells of the yamato do but better. My only problem with what I suggested is the reactor. How powerful enough is it to power the railgun I suggested? This aint the expanse.
Been reading the comments and, wow, you really seem to know your stuff here. So I've a question if you can answer it. What makes the Earth torpedoes so effective against the Gamilas ships, since it seems to be the only really effective weapons they have? (Yes, I read about those positron weapons they have, but as mentioned, in a dymanic battle they're useless). Are they nuclear or is Gamilas armour just not good against explosives?
The torpedoes used by the Yukikaze were explained in lore material as being prototype torpedoes like the ones the Yamato carries, and as such are more effective against Gamilon forces. The missiles the Kirishima fired are old type and apparently didn't do much. And Gamilon ships seem to explode when caught in the blast radius of explosives, but it's unclear on why that is the case. Plus, there are unexplained exceptions to this.
It's not very well organized, but here www.ourstarblazers.com/ One of my acquaintances does writing and translation for them and he's always quick to correct our fanon.
Also it's most likely because Gamilas ship was build to defend against Energy Weapon type and don't or have very little protection against Kinetic Weapon, even a Yamato Type-3 kinetic shell fired from a WW2 ship barrel can destroy Gamilas ship, the problem with torpedo might be just because Gamilas have advanced jamming system which is showed by the fact that only Kirishima with a prototype torp was able to hit them while the other just miss.
-Gamilas started first contact with Terran -Terran declared war -Gamilas fights a defensive war -Confused Gamilas face Edit: Gamilias gets a 30% defense war bonus
@@stephenbyrne2170 they are looking for new planets to terraform because Gamilas was going to blow up in 100 years or so. UNCF high command decided to shoot first and declare war, giving them the reason to enter a war.
They carried over the action of the UN/Earth flagship, getting sliced open, with a few crew blown into space, and the ship begins a slow roll from the damage.
I noticed that. If you watch the series you'll see the gamillons are fine with friendly fire. Especially if the ship about to get blown up is full of 2nd class gamillons.
These aren't my words, but I think it was because of: 1. The spinal shock cannons took time and power to use. Most of the enrgy of the ship had to be used in order to power the weapon, which took time to fire. This made them vulnerable. 2. In this battle, they were vastly outnumbered and using them would have been disasterous.
If we're talking behind the scenes, either they set aside or forgot about those weapons for what we have in this battle, or during the making of 2199, spinal shock cannons were not a thing yet.
Man this battle reminds me about the 1 year war Zeon vs Federation conflict so much hell the color schemes are almost the same the green alien ships look so similar to Zeon ships in terms of paint job and ship layout of the guns and the human ships also look like something the Federation would field to the point that you could of titled it Federation vs Zeon battle scene from Gundam and I wouldn't of questioned anything.
fun fact: I loop this nearly 24/7 on one of my screens to cover my discord, for hiding DM's for privacy sake (say, I screen share for some reason or something, dont wanna reveal a private DM to an audience lol)
The odd thing is that the Humans started the war with Garmilas during the first encounter between the UNCF and a Garmilan expeditionary force. But looking at battles like this it seems odd that Garmilas even considered them a treat. This wasn't a battle but a slaughter.
Except that's how it would actually go in most cases. Especially with high power energy weapons. One hit to the reactor or something else important like the capacitors holding all the energy for the weapons and kaboom.
Early advantage to the shields. Once those were used up it was too late the Gamilons had too much of an advantage in numbers and easily mopped up whoever couldn't run away fast enough.
I have to concur with @TheBleachDoctor here. The Yamato was actually the first human ship (or probably the first ship in possibly centuries since Iscandar had abandoned using Wave Motion Tech in an offensive capacity) to feature Wave Motion Shields.
0:45 That one under-tiered ship that got faildivved into a high tier match that lines up a shot perfectly but bounces all their shots off the enemy BBs
I was reading the weapon load out for the earth ships and the destroyer has 8 missile tubes but I have no clue where they are at on the ship, anyone know?
I think - shields is too popular ability of starships. TOO popular. Almost every space sci-fi movie/series/anime/cartoon 've got ships protectred by energy shields.
｢敵の主砲はこっちを確実に殺す｣よりも｢こっちの主砲はクソの役にも立たん｣方がずっと恐ろしいよね。両方揃ってるなら笑い話にもなりゃしない。
弾かれるとこ絶望しかないよなぁ…
なお魚雷は効くもよう
試製空間魚雷ですもんね搭載されてたのは第一艦隊だとゆきかぜだけですもんね
@@Yurei-yq1bt そーなんですね〜
ずっと魚雷積みまくった高速艦艇量産すりゃあ勝てるやろ、まあ勝てなくてもいい勝負はできんじゃんって思ってたんですよねー
これチハでM4と正面から撃ち合うのと同じだなあ。陽動作戦だからガミラスに発見され易く展開するのは作戦上やむを得ない…がしかし…。
見てた当時小学生だったけど作品の凄さに呑み込まれて静かに見てたなあ懐かしい…
たまにあるよね凄すぎて言葉が出なくて
ポケッとしながら見るの
コメ主同世代だわ
同じく
小2とかだったわ。録画してあったから今日見てた
凄く分かります
自分も小学生で初めて見たときは今まで見たことない迫力、かっこよさで口を開けて見てましたw
ヤマトやアンドロメダのデザインもいいけどなんだかんだ旧地球艦隊のデザインも好き
When u forgot to upgrade ur armor before the mission lmao
When Matchmaking screws up and pits low tier ships against high tier ones.
1:07
When you get torpedoed as a destroyer
@@Bleachsoul13 it really be like that though
If in SRW... They're at least have Giganscudo during this situation I think
Yeah, there was practically no battle. Just earth ships getting blown up
Ah, nothing like inspiring, patriotic music while we all die like dogs. :(
Recruitment ad for the Cosmo Navy. :v
Phil Bolton north korea in a nutshell
+TheBleachDoctor XD
+Grant Burgess dont get it sir
It worked for the Soviets.
THAT WASNT A BATTLE THAT WAS A MASSACRE HOLY CRAP
David Smokes Decisive victory
Quốc Việt Đỗ Phú VICTORY?,DUDE GARMILLAS WON FIRST
gamilus technology vastly superior.
I think only one gamilan ship was destroyed.
No there were 2 that were destroyed one was by friendly fire but we don't talk about that one
リメイク作品において
ヤマト2199だけは特別だと思うのよ
これを見て、自分がすごいヤマト好きだったんだって
再認識してしまったからね
これは本当に面白かった
最初の時点でうわっ神ってるって思ったw
@妃宮千早 続編に期待しましょう
@妃宮千早 ガンダムUCもそうだけど福井氏が関わるとろくなことが無い
abutan42 福井はゴミだわマジで。進化したのは戦闘シーンの作画だけやな
宇宙戦艦キリシマが旧作より滑らかになってて少し惚れた
小学生のときこれ何回も見たなー 当時はいろんな設定とかもあんまり理解せずに、純粋にメカニックがカッコいい！！って見てたけど、今改めて見直すと細かい設定とかストーリーとか含めて2199は素晴らしすぎるんよな
It's a real shame we never got to see any of the UNCF's spinal mounted position laser cannons in this battle
Yeah, although that's because it has a charge time like the WMG.
Watch yamato 2202.
If you mean the cannons at the front of the cruisers and the Kirishima they are shock cannons like the Yamato's, although much weaker and take a lot of time to recharge. I would like to see them being used as well. It would make the battle more interesting as they would be capable of damaging the Gamilas ships. In the battle of Mars where Earth repelled the first Gamilas wave it was thanks to these weapons, so yes, it is a shame they didn't show them in action.
Actually called Positrons, they are an anti-matter thing, don't know much about it.
Oh damn, I thought that was just some kind if intake port.
Well, since you seem to know a bit about this setting, can you explain the glowing ports facing forward on every Gamillan ship? Are they brake-engines, or just vents for power plant radiation?
The first episode was devastating, 99.99% of the UN space fleet destroyed.
Even more devastating is when the lone single ship returns home, they saw a planet bomb and can't even defend nor deflect its trajectory making earth a heap of mess.
Don't worry, there's a pay back.
But in the end they both race becomes good chums
Kirishima was the sole survivor under admiral Okita, the Kirishima, now under a different captain was also the ship that rendered salute to Yamato as she left Mother Earth
the real kicker is that this battle was the last one between UNCF ships and not the Yamato
just think how many ships were lost throughout the course of the Entire war, not just this battle
@@SagaciousNihilist I said Kirishima was the sole survivor, which she is as far as ships go.
@@weirdassenbychild7452 In the Manga Kirishima tries to shot down the planet bomb targeted at Yamato until they burn out their main guns.. so there was more action involving more ships than Yamato
雪風の急旋回、慣性力ヤバそう
雪風、慣性制御ないらしいから大丈夫かも
磁力ブーツだから体折れそう（小並感
立ったまんまなら、何かにつかまってなきゃ～倒れるでしょうし、機関科とかどうなってんのかね？
艦内放送で操舵の状況を流してるなら対応もしやすいと思うが・・・
精神論で解決してるんでしょ(ヤケクソ)
船内がとんでもないことになってそう
The First War is essentially WWI naval combat in space. Battleships lined up in battle lines slugging it out with main caliber guns while smaller ships tried to scout out where the battleships are and not to get killed in the crossfire. No fighters, few torpedos, just lots and lots of guns. To make it even funnier, they are actually using coincidence range finders to control guns at 0:40.
well to be fair that might be the only tech that works to find those ships at the time (though i doubt it)
What is up with the music tho? Lets play some cheerful music as our last fleet is being destroyed.
@@Dragon-Believer i think it was to raise moral as the battle was basically hopeless
@@shadowcarthage - I mean why was it in the cartoon? Playing cheerful music while something bad happens makes no sense. It was also a fucking terrible song. Don't they understand storytelling? Music sets the tone. It wasn't that way in the original. th-cam.com/video/1xILUFJPF9g/w-d-xo.html
it's called Soundtrack Dissonance, an film term of playing cheerful and light hearted music over an violent or edgy scene.
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoundtrackDissonance
リメイク版のが実写版より撃ち合ってて「ああ、会戦やってるんだな」っていう雰囲気があって好きだな
海戦では?
上杉鷹山 会戦でも、海戦でもどちらもあってると思います。
ALL GLORY TO NIPPON!!
旧作の場合、一方的に撃たれまくったのはTV版と映画版で
小説版やコミック版は今回の新作と同じく撃ち合いをして負けてます。
つまり新作は旧作TV版と映画版で採用されなかった案が映像化されたようなものです。
@@トロツキズムに染まった上杉鷹山 大軍が衝突するのが会戦だから合ってるよ。
第一話の戦闘シーンを始めてみたときの興奮といったら、、、
When I first started watching this series it wasn’t clear who was who, so I was routing for the villains through this whole conflict, impressed by how they crushed their opponents under their metaphorical boot.
you, uh.. didn't see the massive U.N logo on the kongo class battleships?
Yeah you stupid
AHHHHH!!1!1!1!1!1!111!!!!!11
LMAO
The Yamato can kill those villain's
@@BlooSquared what's even better is the human on the murasame cruiser is a human saying evasive maneuvers as well🤣
Mamoru Kodai was a beast. You can tell from this battle that he was a cut above the rest. If the UNCN was better equipped for the war, I think that Mamoru would have been a force to be reckoned with.
His balls were so massive that the Gamilon prison ship carrying him crashed under their weight! :P
@@Bleachsoul13 Wave Motion Gun? Dessler Canon? Space magic? They can't hold a candle to the epitome of badassery that is Mamoru Kodai. His only equal is Bright Noa, who wields the mighty Bright Slap.
@@briansutak6621
I've heard tales that a single Bright slap can bring even a Newtype to their knees.
Was a beast? In the Manga Mamoru Kodai is later revealed to be alive operating under the alias "Captain Harlock", the same Captain Harlock from the anime/manga. He was supposed to be revealed at the end of the show as Harlock when they arrive at Iscandar, but due to rights issues with the original rights holder they had to change it.
In my opinion, he was the only competent UNCF destroyer captain shown on screen.
ガミラスの陽電子ビームを過貫通させてない時点でコンゴウ型の装甲ってなかなかの物だよな
この抗堪さがヤマトに受け継がれてそう
おっしゃる通りです…‼️
I just love how they are using coincidence range finders.
if it aint broken dont fix it. but i get what you're saying, even civilians use laser rangefinders nowadays. personally i think the rangefinder adds to the WW2 aesthetic and feel these ships are going for.
I believe that since this is in space, there might be light lag if you use an active rangefinder so they use coincidence because it's passive and you don't have to send a laser out to get a return.
@@Pollux_E light lag would be a problem at the extreme ranges spacecraft would engage each other at definitely. that might be one thing that draws ships in closer is so their energy weapons become more effective.
@@Pollux_E Yeah it only looks like its close, these ships are rather large, and the distances they were firing at, much much larger.
There's still radar, but I think Yamato was the first to get that.
But, as the guy above said, it's a ww2 aesthetic & feel, so maybe they were going for proven early war tech.
@@Pollux_E Light lag is the whole method through which active rangefinders work. It wouldn't be an issue.
結構やられていく地球の戦艦の色とか形すきだ
I've always wondered why the humans didn't invest heavily in missiles. The lasers don't seem to do anything more than scratch the enemies' armor, but the missiles were pretty effective.
The missiles used at the end were next-generation prototypes that would be utilized in the Yamato. The older missiles can be seen in action when the Kirishima fires a full spread which go wide and hit nothing. There's likely some kind of jamming going on from the Gamilon side preventing older targeting systems from getting a proper lock.
@@Bleachsoul13 I'm pretty sure the yukikaze was very customized and way better than the rest of the ship fleet. And as you said it fired custom missiles that were prototype im pretty sure it also had torpedoes
The yamato used traditional projectiles as a secondary weapon and it was very effective
@@Bleachsoul13 .
@@Bleachsoul13 I can understand jamming but what about the explosions the explosives turned into big balls that stayed still that doesn’t happen in real life. Maybe thats what ports on the Gamilon ships do they contain the explosion. That would explain why they change colour in battles.
銀河水平〜波間をこえて
↑ここが好き
we really need more good space animes like this.
宇宙戦艦ヤマトは世界中から愛されてる作品
そんなことはないよw
@@이시우-f9h コメ欄見てみろよ
Earth force: plz no spawn camp
Gam: stop spawning lol
This... this is on a spiritual level
With the exception to Kantai Collection, why must every Ship named Shimakaze in anime be sunk?
Sunk in - Azur Lame, Strike Witches, Space Battleship Yamato and 2199, Highschool Fleet (off screen), Mobil Suit Gundam 0083 (nuked), and AGAIN in SBY Resurrection!
Damn.... thats a good eye for ship names bro
Cause if she exists for too long, she would be too damn fast
The animation is excellent. The depiction of weapon effects on the hull and ships XD love it
沖田十三：『馬鹿め』と言ってやれ、『馬鹿め』だ！
わかめと言ってやれ、わかめだ！
ガミラス「わ わかめ？」
The original series had lots of overtones of the Second World War, particulary in how outnumbered and outgunned the Japanese fleet was at the end. Even when they hit American Ships it sometimes seemed they weren't doing any damage while every hit on there ships was catastrophic.
L. Greenwood yep and the yamato is a flying penis
@@mikemike8623 LMFAO
Perhaps later in the war, but at the start, they knew they were hitting the Allied Fleets hard.
But, what actually happened, was that the Japanese overestimated their kills. Then they were inflated outrageously. For example, at the Battle of Savo Island, a severe defeat for the Allied Fleets, the Japanese didn't claim 4x Cruisers sunk. They claimed nearly 10x Cruisers sunk.
Some of that, might be because of identification, such as the Bagley-class Destroyer USS Jarvis DD-393. She was mistaken for a larger Australian Cruiser and the Japanese went all out to sink her. She was already damaged, having taken a torpedo meant for the USS Vincennes prior to the Battle of Savo Island, and had been withdrawing to Australia for repairs, despite orders to go to another location.
The confusion was the result she didn't have a working radio and no one was keep an eye on her when she left unexpectedly.
Eventually, the Japanese sent 31 planes from Rabaul. Damaged, down at the bow, and limping along, it was a forgone conclusion. There were no survivors of her remaining 244 men.
If I recall right, the Japanese would ultimately claim to have essentially sunk the entire Allied Pacific Fleet at least twice over, maybe thrice.
So you can imagine, two years later, it seems like there is an avalanche of ships coming at them and there's nothing that can be done to stop them.
Ironically, the Japanese sat on their laurels after the first battles. Having bested the US and Australians in combat or been fought to a draw and the odd lost, the Japanese were convinced they were better. They had the better torpedoes, tactics, and capabilities, especially at night.
But the US Navy alone began sweeping changes, taking the full brunt of the Japanese attacks more often than not. These included major changes such as diesel electric back ups, more emergency lighting, that damn torpedo issue finally fixed, new tactics, and even major retrofitting of existing ships and those still on the slipways to fix shortcomings before the ships got into combat.
Then, the US Navy started to learn as they got the Peace Time Routines knocked out of them and learned to expect a real fight every time they went into combat.
@@FLJBeliever1776 Also didnt help the Japanese that just a year after Pearl Harbor, the US Military Industrial Complex had switched into high gear. They were churning out ships, planes and munitions left right and center to fuel not one but three war fronts! Not only that but they were constantly improving. The North Carolina class of ships were the first battleships the US built since the end of WWI and the signing of their own naval treaty, and even those got eclipsed about a year later when the Iowa-class was introduced.
@@LtCWest - Actually, the US Navy got to work on new Battleships as early as 1937. The plan was originally for 4x North Carolina-class Battleships. Then it was judged that more Battleships were going to be needed, but the North Carolina-class still had Treaty considerations.
As such, the US Navy began work on what would be the South Dakota-class Fast Battleships.
This is why there were only two North Carolinas. Originally there were to be four. But the US Navy shifted to the South Dakota-class instead.
They were able to do so, because Congress authorized increase support for the US Navy.
In fact, there were three Pre-War Naval Bills passed by Congress from 1937-1940.
The last bill greatly enhanced the US Navy, authorizing not only what would be the Iowa-class Fast Battleships and Montana-class Dreadnought Battleships, but almost 20 Carriers, 12,000 Aircraft of all types, and numerous Cruisers, Destroyers, Submarines, and other Naval vessels from Seagoing Combatants to Port Support Ships.
Also, 1939 and 1940 happened and the US Army, alarmed, began immediate work to remedy its shortcomings.
The T1 Combat Car was quickly phased out for the M2 Medium Tank and M2 Light Tank.
The M2 Medium was following Pre-Battle of France Doctrines in Tank Warfare. Which, after June 1940, became obvious it was not going to work. So the US Army stopped the M2 Medium's production in favor of the M3 Lee.
The M2 Light Tank was originally developed as a Cannon Armed Male Tank and a Two Machine Gun Armed Female Tank, nicknamed the Mae West for the two turrets that held the two .30 caliber Machine Guns.
Immediately, the Mae West Tanks were converted to Cannon Armed Tanks with 37mm Guns, but still had a lot of short comings.
As such, the US Army began to fast track the M3 Stuart into service. The M5 Stuart would be a great improvement over the M3 version, which was the M3 as it should have been.
The original M3s were very close in design and appearance to the M2 Mediums, so much so, unless you know what to look for you can't tell the difference, which is also how they operated as both were essentially the same Tank with differences.
Like Twins that are not Identical.
The M4 Sherman was already being designed, developed, and tested even before the first M3 Lees were being assigned.
All of that Tank work, from 1939-1942.
As you can guess, the US Industrial Complex was already getting kicked awake.
Roosevelt had spent 1940 getting ready and then he spent 1941 seeing everything come together.
But nothing was complete when Pearl Harbor was bombed.
In fact, the US Army was still fine tuning their doctrines when the bombs fell. As such, they fought WW2 with a doctrine and arrangements they simply hadn't had time to finish.
And still the US Military answered the call.
As did US Industry, but the first show of US Industries power was not until 1943, when the USS Essex finally arrived and even then, the CV-10 USS Yorktown wasn't available for another four months, with the next ship not available until the Summer.
More than half of the Essex-class was either never finished or didn't arrive until the start of 1945.
The US had the Industry and had it started to churn things out in 1939, then the full might of it would have been felt in 1942.
As it was, it was late to the party.
US Strategy, Tactics, Leadership, Daring, Improvisation, Intelligence, and Japanese Blunders, Habits, and Rivalries, fought the Pacific War to its conclusion in 1942.
It was a case that Japan didn't accept the war was lost in 1942 until 1945.
どうあがいても勝てないと分かっている相手に対して戦いを挑むっていのうのがなんか憧れるわ。
Ah the cockpit and bridge scenes were so beautifully animated though.
Yeah, I love those sequences.
今でも雪風のシーンで泣きそうになるw
いま中1だけど泣きそうになる
あのような勇敢なる犠牲はいつでも感動する
囮艦隊になった彼らが地球艦隊最後の抵抗をしているように感じてしまうほどぴったし合うんよな。実際勇ましく散っていったのが物悲しくさせる
me fighting *[ Redacted ]* Ordo with my beloved low tech ship be like
This is such a lost starsector comment lnao
I keep having to remind myself that we're almost certainly seeing the abridged version of a battle that likely took most of a day, just so I don't feel so bad for all the ships & crews looking like they got annihilated with one shot.
Like... they at least got to stand up to some hits we didn't see and get a few good shots off before they went down, right?
....right?
The actual episode might have a timeskip in the middle, but most of those ships were indeed dying to single hits. Only two enemy ships died that day, one kill by Yukikaze with torpedo fire and the second was a friendly fire hit.
haha yeah I guess so, I was just half-jokingly hoping that the presentation might not be 100% diagetic because of running time and aesthetic considerations, and that the fleet might have "really" gone down a little harder in the same way that they're "really" not that close to each other and the characters are "really" 3D flesh & blood people like us who we're just seeing an animator's drawings of.
cuz otherwise maaan that suuuuucks, all those huge, proud, beautiful ships and brave crews as helpless as doughboys at the Somme. Ya hate to see it.
On the other hand tho, it sure sets up the Gamillans as strong and thus the Yamato as even stronger. Always gotta hand it to the Yamato, she is a fuckin *beast*
Probably my favorite ship in all of science fiction.
1:57 on this scene, the cannons look like they're rifled, what is it for? do they still use conventional kinetic weaponry alongside the compression laser cannons?
another question, why do UNCF ships look like they have no point defense weaponry at all? i know they have point defense guns but still, no visual hardpoints, is there any lore reasons or just the production reasons?
The rifling is probably just an aesthetic choice. I don't believe it has a purpose.
As for the complete lack of point defense guns, it's never addressed.
For the rifling, heat dissipation. But them using kinetic weapons would have been better.
The Kongo did have point defense, but it looked like machine guns, not auto or rotary cannons.
地球艦砲撃｢カァァン｣
ネーサ
ガミラス｢ズカーン｣
ネーサch ガミラス艦が地球軍の艦に砲撃「しゅるる…ビイーン ドッカーーーーン」
Sophie Huang 時を経てヤマトショックカノン
ドギュギューンルルルル！
三式弾
ドドドン！
タブレット持ち主の息子
地球側おらぁ「カァァン」？！
ガミラス側うらぁ！「ズカーン」(^ー^)
波動砲
「バヒュウウウウウウウウウビイイイイイイイイイン…ドゴーーーーーーーーン」
これ なまじ、ヘルメットを着用した状態で艦内から吸い出されてしまったら
窒息死か太陽光に焼かれるまで死ねないし
艦を不時着させれても絶望しかないだろうなぁ、、、
そうゆう意味では即死してる分幸せか、！、
For being found mostly intact later on it sure blew up good.
Where are the mobile suits?
Right, wrong anime
Also gundam fan here the ships just look too alike
Wait, that's a Zeon ships? Yeah, no.
Wouldn't be much of a desperate war for survival if humanity had mobile suits or the tech from that universe, the early Universal Century stuff alone would easily decimate Gamilan naval forces within minutes of entering range, easily wreaking havoc onto neatly arranged ship formations electronically impaired by their presence alone. I'd wager they would even be able to capture any one of the warships for reverse engineering too, as opposed to relying solely on limited, mysterious Iscandarian tech.
@@sonnykwong8801 The Red Comet alone would be a massive pain in the ass, especially since we see missiles here are extremely effective against Gamillas warships. Now imagine waves of Zaku IIs with rapid fire 120mm machine guns. Big oof
@@ethanmaynes5358 gamilas destroyer especially the kripiteria class are really fast en maneuvrable not like the ship in gundam and they carrie a lot of missile they can easily take down basic zaku but not the red comet or one of those as
I always grearty prefer naval style space battles over aerial/dogfight space battles. Probably due to growing up watching Trek.
and it's actually more in line of what would actually happen in a space war.
Damn right
Big empty space and you only fight in a small fighter😂😂
@@hudsonball4702 nah, gundams is where it's at. Small and fast targets with charged beam cannons.
I always thought after watching the reimagined series version of this battle, as shown above, is if the one human Cosmonavy missile destroyer was able to do that much disruption in the Gamelon fleet to cover the flag ship's retreat, after so many other human ships were destroyed so easily, then the humans had idiotic tactics from the start. They should have used far more of the same methods as the single missile destroyer did.
In lore materials, they stated that the Yukikaze (the Destroyer in question) had new prototype torpedoes and missiles. I'm assuming that they must have higher yields and possibly better guidance systems, because in this same clip we see the Kirishima fire a whole salvo of missiles which go wide and miss the enemy ships. So while the Cosmo Navy missiles might work in theory, Gamilon ECM would have rendered them useless.
But yes they should have gone evasive from the start.
TheBleachDoctor wait, so there are ECM in Space Battleship Yamato 2199 ?
@@godlucifer8428
The reliance on optical ranging despite the confirmed existence of Radar and LADAR would imply that some form of ECM is being used. There are tons of contextual clues.
TheBleachDoctor can you show me those clue ?( I’m quite curious about that)
@@godlucifer8428
Well a major one is that while radar and LADAR both function for acquiring enemy vessels, disabling those systems doesn't impede a ship's ability to use its weapons. In the Rainbow Nebula, the Yamato had all its sensor arrays shot off, and yet the main guns and AA turrets could still aim and fire at enemy ships and targets.
Hell, even when their sensor arrays are operational, the consoles are shown using the optical rangefinders to aim at targets.
There would be little reason for this if radar and LADAR could get a solid lock on the position and speed of the target.
There are other scenes too where Gamilon ships miss the Yamato completely despite it traveling in a straight line at a constant speed.
Also, ECM is a thing in the modern day. I don't see why it wouldn't be a thing in 2199.
この形の艦艇が結局一番好き
in Yamato 2202 sequel to 2199...Kongou Class Space BBs are Warp Capable and equiped with Wave motions Engines same goes for the Murasame Class Heavy Cruisers and Yukikaze Class Torpedo Destroyers...if those ships where in 2199 the gamilans will have a very hard time destroying them because those Updated and Refitted Earth ships can Blast a Gatlantean Cruiser , battleship and Carrier to pieces
Alistair Diren
Even tho, it's confirmed that Gatlantis ships are (Calakhum not included) much less and effectively armored.
I watched the show and what I am getting from this is that the yamato is super galaxy dai gurren vs the reapers from mass effect 3
we got something to say at least. Garmillans crews were pretty incompetent through the whole anime they always relied on the technological advantage so when the yamato showed up it showed how incompetent they were. They friendly fire, a lot.
They saw themselves as expendable and being subjugated by an empire tends to eliminate all sense of self preservation
If the Kirishima didn't have any Migobueza coating, it would've been space debris
Space Battleship Yamato 🤝🏼 Legend of the Galactic Heroes ❤
1:57まるで空中戦
宇宙ではこんな感じにはならないってことですか？
もしそれなら、スター・ウォーズみたいなことも、永遠に起きないってことですか？
@@Light-cruiser_Oyodo_1944 実際の空中戦みたいに追いかけっこしてるってことじゃないですか？
鈴木健斗 そんな深読みせんでええやろw
@@jaemons5897 深読みは特にしてないけど
スタトレシリーズでも似たような描写は、あったと思うよ？
ガンダムoriginのルウム戦役と同じで、冒頭の会戦シーンでハートを掴みましたね2199。
I swear these ships are made out of paper. They're more brittle than the Bombers from the Last Jedi
Well, to be fair, this was the sci-fi equivalent of a fleet of WW1 warships sortieing to fight an equal amount of modern Missile Cruisers.
@@Bleachsoul13 the ships were given anti plot armor.
@@Bleachsoul13
Not that good of an analogy. If a modern missile cruiser (except maybe the Kirov) got hit with WWI artillery it would definitely hurt a lot. What a missile cruiser can do is pound the opponent before it even gets into range. Here, the Gamilans could stand toe-to-toe, taking it as well as dishing it out.
@@zorkmid1083 It isn't a perfect analogy, but close enough. Keep in mind that the Mursame and Kongo-class ships in the Cosmo Navy pack a Spinal Shock Cannon which is powerful enough to actually destroy Gamilas ships in a single shot, but the charge time precluded its use in this fight. Sort of like how a modern missile Cruiser could lock and fire its missiles at a WW1 Battleship before said Battleship could range the missile Cruiser. All the firepower in the world doesn't do you any good if you can't use it.
@@Bleachsoul13 - To my knowledge, those Shock Cannons were a post war addition not a pre-war function. They didn't have the power nor the technology to employ them until after Yamato got back from her journy. Of course, I haven't 2202 yet, so I may be wrong.
Because every ship AFTER Kirishima was decommissioned was said to be a modified design with new refits added in. UNCN Kirishima was stated that she was only ship to survive the war of the original Pre-War Navy and the only ship to survive the war other than Yamato.
And she doesn't have the equipment that later ships of her class have.
Lately, I have been noticing a trend in the Japanese Entertainment Media, specifically Anime and Manga, to have multiple models of something that is identical, yet they have such radical differences as to be completely different altogether.
A good one is in Macross Delta. Delta Platoon operates a Fighter that is said to be a custom of the standard Fighter used by the rest of Xaos, the PMC they belong too. Yet, if you look at the two Fighters in all three models and set them next to each other, they're radically different in design, capabilities, and general appearance.
They share the exact same designation, but the name was changed because Delta was flying some 'Custom' models.
Really stupid really.
So while the 2199 Kongo-class and the 2202 Kongo-class long superficially the same, that would be like comparing the South Dakota-class, North Carolina-class, and Iowa-class Fast Battleships as the same ships, despite that the Iowas were both larger and faster and used Mark 7 50 caliber 16in guns as opposed to Mark 6 45 caliber 16 inch guns of the preceding two classes.
Some might point out the Standard-Type Dreadnoughts the US Navy fielded, but those also had some differences to one another, they were just kept to a standard form.
Interesting thing I've heard about some of the American Cosmo Navy Cruisers, though. They apparently, appear like the Kongo-class, yet are classified as Cruisers. Not Battleships, as they follow the US Navy's naming convention, which is that Cruisers are named after Famous Battles. Missile Guided Cruisers anyways.
さすが高速戦艦の名に恥じぬ戦い方ですねきりしまくん
史実の霧島は戦艦に昇格したはず
上杉鷹山 そのあと高速戦艦になったんやで
巡洋戦艦→戦艦→高速戦艦
通称は高速戦艦だけど、正式な類別じゃ～戦艦のままだよ。
巡洋戦艦は、たしか大正時代辺りで廃止になってたはずかな？
伊勢型もプラモデルとか雑誌じゃ｢航空戦艦｣とか表記されてるけど、戦艦のままだったらしいからね。
Basically this is what the battle of Leyte gulf looked like if it was a space anime
Battle of leyte kinda a battleship vs warplanes
From the original anime, near as I can add it all up, the reason the Gamilas ships were so difficult for the Cosmo Navy to damage was due to the 'rare elemental alloy', as Sanada refers to it in the English dub, they are made from. An alloy found on a moon of Saturn, which we find a damaged Yamato attempting to extract in the episode where we find the elder Kodai's ship crashed. This also helps explain Yamato's resistance to damage. While the same alloy is used to build and maintain Yamato, it is not in as purified a form as the Gamilas use. Armed with this knowledge, the engineers who design and maintain Yamato's weapon systems are able to fine tune the ships weapons to make them far more effective against the Gamilas.
As for why the Cosmo Navy was not so strong in the first place, the Planet Bombs began well before Earth was aware of the existence of the Gamilas, so the ships they are employing were made with purely Human made alloys and weaponry. While the energy weapons do not seem to be effective, the projectile weapons, with sufficient momentum behind them from their firing ship, are able to penetrate the armor of the Gamilas ships.
The only question this leaves, is why the Cosmo Navy's fighters are more effective at first against the Gamilas 'war planes' as they were named in Star Blazers. Perhaps this is due to a lighter version of the alloy used by the Gamilas so their fighters used less fuel and could carry more weaponry. Or, again, with sufficient velocity, perhaps the Cosmos Tigers were able to penetrate the enemy armor. Either way...still a fun story.
2199 had a different explanation.
IIRC 2199's lore explanation is that the Gamilas use a special laminate coating on their armor based on their planet bomb laser satellites
The reason for the Yamato being more effective than other Earth warships is that it they incorporated Iscandarian technology in its construction.
That, and the Yamato's turrets used positron cannons, which previously were spinal weapons on EDF ships with a similar charging procedure to the WMG.
I thought it was the Gamelons? not Gamilas where did you guys here that name. in the english sub they even say Gamilons!!! or Am I wrong?
旧ヤマトは大好きでした、悲劇なシーンでしたが、感動しました。
"These goggles do nothing!"
2:24 分かっていると思いますがガミラス艦が爆散してるのは他ガミラス艦の誤射です。
本当だ！雪風だけビームの威力強いな…って思ってたけど、違った笑笑
damn i kinda got reminded of how the human covenant war had started
これぞ、ヤマト2199の、傑作曲
1:39の巡洋艦の窓に丸い模様が付いてるんだけど、まさかワイパーじゃないよね？w
どう見ても旋回窓にしか見えないですよねぇw
艦首のショックカノンの照準器なのでは？と思った
Earth ships needed a phaser upgrade. Lucky Iscandar helped with their wave motion tech!
wrong sci fi there my adversary, this anime oged before star wars by a few years, in fact star wars was believed to be inspired by SBY, whilst star trek came after star wars, meaning it could have been inspired by star wars.
EDIT: my point, these aren't phasers by any means, just antimatter weapons, much more similar to turbolasers than "phasers"
@@AtlasEnthusiast0368 Late question but, how powerful are phasers compared to SBY weaponry?
オリジナルだと、転進を命じた沖田司令に対して古代守が「ボクは嫌です！」といって死ぬまで戦うべきだと訴えるのだが、リメイク版では沖田司令を無事に転進させるために古代守は自分が囮になる。古代進も、オリジナルだと兄をガミラスに殺されて「ガミラス憎し」で凝り固まっていて捕虜にしたガミラス人兵士を殺そうとまでするのだが、リメイク版では妙にものわかりがいい、など重要な設定がかなり変わっている。オリジナルの明らかな矛盾点をあれこれ工夫して解消しているのだが、憎しみから和解（？）へという古代進の成長の物語ではなくなった。絵はきれいなんだけどね。
あの古代進はゲーム版基準かもな、PS2版の再編成版の古代があんな性格
使いまわしでも2202の金剛改Ⅱ型好き。
36センチ高圧増幅光線砲が当たってもちょっとグラつくぐらいなのに対しほぼ一撃で沈められる地球艦隊…
どこか虚しいはずなのに何故か5ループ以上も見続けてしまう
Did anyone else realise at 0:31 the Gamalis Ships intaanke-things turn red?
Yeah, they do throughout the series when they're entering combat status.
huh because ive never seen the new series yet only episode 1 and 2
TheBleachDoctor YEAH,ITS STRANGE
Presumably they have mastered plasma weaponry so they would have a more refined design then Earth’s ships
ゆきかぜのクルーには、生き残って欲しかった。残念です。
The small destroyers and the yukikaze going in close to the Garmillian fleet reminds me of the Rocinante for some reason i dont know why but it does to me. All it needs to be like the roci is some PDC's all over it, no windows except the airlock, rotating living quarters for gravity or decks stacked perpendicular to the engine, a railgun that fires positron slugs and more torpedoes/missiles, a sh%t load of them. Build alot of them and it might give the UN a chance with em positron slugs that will pass through their shields like the shells of the yamato do but better. My only problem with what I suggested is the reactor. How powerful enough is it to power the railgun I suggested? This aint the expanse.
Enough to casually make a straight trip and back between Earth and Saturn without refuelling.
Been reading the comments and, wow, you really seem to know your stuff here. So I've a question if you can answer it. What makes the Earth torpedoes so effective against the Gamilas ships, since it seems to be the only really effective weapons they have? (Yes, I read about those positron weapons they have, but as mentioned, in a dymanic battle they're useless). Are they nuclear or is Gamilas armour just not good against explosives?
The torpedoes used by the Yukikaze were explained in lore material as being prototype torpedoes like the ones the Yamato carries, and as such are more effective against Gamilon forces. The missiles the Kirishima fired are old type and apparently didn't do much.
And Gamilon ships seem to explode when caught in the blast radius of explosives, but it's unclear on why that is the case. Plus, there are unexplained exceptions to this.
That was a very quick reply. Cheers, that cleared that up. Y'a star! Where'd you get this info? Is there an official site I can go swot up on?
It's not very well organized, but here
www.ourstarblazers.com/
One of my acquaintances does writing and translation for them and he's always quick to correct our fanon.
I say again, ye a star lad/ladette/goldfish person from the planet Hurruuk, Ta muchly. =b
Also it's most likely because Gamilas ship was build to defend against Energy Weapon type and don't or have very little protection against Kinetic Weapon, even a Yamato Type-3 kinetic shell fired from a WW2 ship barrel can destroy Gamilas ship, the problem with torpedo might be just because Gamilas have advanced jamming system which is showed by the fact that only Kirishima with a prototype torp was able to hit them while the other just miss.
本当に艦隊決戦はかっこいい。
It’s amazing how the UNCF just improperly uses their ships for 99% of the first war.
-Gamilas started first contact with Terran
-Terran declared war
-Gamilas fights a defensive war
-Confused Gamilas face
Edit: Gamilias gets a 30% defense war bonus
@A dude with a flashlight that one old beared/mustach guy? That ordered to fire without warning? AGREED
Why did the aliens originally come here? What did they want?
@@stephenbyrne2170 they are looking for new planets to terraform because Gamilas was going to blow up in 100 years or so. UNCF high command decided to shoot first and declare war, giving them the reason to enter a war.
@@benlex5672 So they would've attacked us regardless?
@@stephenbyrne2170 Yeah... either that or subjugation. Remember they do have other Terran races in their empire already.
They carried over the action of the UN/Earth flagship, getting sliced open, with a few crew blown into space, and the ship begins a slow roll from the damage.
ガイデロールこの時には既にでてたんだ
This is just Stellaris all over again.
Lol
@@Barri2410 Shh Barri.
Why is nobody talking about that one gamilon ship that was destroyed because of friendly fire
I noticed that. If you watch the series you'll see the gamillons are fine with friendly fire. Especially if the ship about to get blown up is full of 2nd class gamillons.
Are there any reasons they didn't use spinal shock cannons during this battle?
These aren't my words, but I think it was because of:
1. The spinal shock cannons took time and power to use. Most of the enrgy of the ship had to be used in order to power the weapon, which took time to fire. This made them vulnerable.
2. In this battle, they were vastly outnumbered and using them would have been disasterous.
If we're talking behind the scenes, either they set aside or forgot about those weapons for what we have in this battle, or during the making of 2199, spinal shock cannons were not a thing yet.
Man this battle reminds me about the 1 year war Zeon vs Federation conflict so much hell the color schemes are almost the same the green alien ships look so similar to Zeon ships in terms of paint job and ship layout of the guns and the human ships also look like something the Federation would field to the point that you could of titled it Federation vs Zeon battle scene from Gundam and I wouldn't of questioned anything.
fun fact: I loop this nearly 24/7 on one of my screens to cover my discord, for hiding DM's for privacy sake (say, I screen share for some reason or something, dont wanna reveal a private DM to an audience lol)
Nice!
That animation is awesome!
When you dont upgrade you're ships and other tech in stellaris.
0:37 no fair the gamallans used aimbot.
The odd thing is that the Humans started the war with Garmilas during the first encounter between the UNCF and a Garmilan expeditionary force.
But looking at battles like this it seems odd that Garmilas even considered them a treat.
This wasn't a battle but a slaughter.
KONGO class space battleship×１
KIRISHIMA (BBS-555)
MURASAME class space cruiser×９
YUUGIRI (CAS-253)
ABUKUMA (CAS-229)
ATAGO (CAS-266)
YAKUMO (CAS-890)
KURAMA (CAS-854)
TSURUGI (CAS-777)
IBUKI (CAS-741)
MURAKUMO (CAS-718)
NACHI (CAS-702)
ISOKAZE class space destroyer×12
YUKIKAZE (DDS-117)
SHIMAKAZE (DDS-172)
AYANAMI (DDS-103)
SHIKINAMI (DDS-106)
SHIRANUI (DDS-144)
HATSUSIMA (DDS-149)
AYASE (DDS-119)
ISOKAZE (DDS-101)
KAGEROU (DDS-164)
TACHIKAZE (DDS-216)
HUYUTSUKI (DDS-147)
MINATSUKI (DDS-148)
Casualties?
@WhomItMayConcern because all the human ships except the kirihima were destroyed
@@yhonarcordero5938 all ships seems to be made by paper except from kirishima and yukikaze which recibed more damage and werent destroyed
@@josemaricuestadominguez4992 Well that's because the kirihima is modified with the remains of gami ships destroyed on Mars.
@@josemaricuestadominguez4992 and the yukikase I don't know but if it has express torpedoes that would be used in the yamato
This anime is one of the best out there, its just that the ships getting completely blown up in one hit breaks the immersion.
Except that's how it would actually go in most cases. Especially with high power energy weapons. One hit to the reactor or something else important like the capacitors holding all the energy for the weapons and kaboom.
@@killman369547 that actually makes some sense, but surely there would be some sort of wreckage
@@tiger7409 you do see wreckage, when some of the Murusame explode u see the chunklet of its bow go flying
@@tiger7409 The Gamilas use antimatter as their main beam weapons. Of course it would explode.
@@theloweffortchannel7211 and the UNCF's just bounce off
時々、この場面にマゼラン級戦艦、サラミス級巡洋艦、バーミンガム級戦艦がいたら? なんて事を考えてしまう。
ティアンム提督のティアンム艦隊とか。
レイエスキャプテン 冥王星まで行けなそう…（小並感）
ミノフスキー粒子で敵止められそう(小並感)
ヨルムンガンドに期待(粉蜜柑)
kid 14 尚命中弾は1発だけの模様
ムリやろ…多分。
Early advantage to the shields. Once those were used up it was too late the Gamilons had too much of an advantage in numbers and easily mopped up whoever couldn't run away fast enough.
At this point in 2199, no ship had shields.
I have to concur with @TheBleachDoctor here. The Yamato was actually the first human ship (or probably the first ship in possibly centuries since Iscandar had abandoned using Wave Motion Tech in an offensive capacity) to feature Wave Motion Shields.
When your Fubuki get in a match with Iowa in WoWs and accident fire the gun
- are you turn on the shields?
+ turn on the what?
- ...
火星での海戦は、かつて太平洋で戦った大戦末期の日本海軍へのオマージュだから、これを単なる宇宙船同士の戦いと思って見てはいけない。
日本人なら、かつての大戦で日本海軍が、敵との戦力差や数の不利を承知で負け戦を戦った数々の海戦を想い、胸が熱くなる。
そういった意味の場面であって、敵を殲滅したり互角に戦ったりしたら、この場面の意味が無い。
これは、日本人にしか理解出来ないかもしれない場面だよ。
ある海戦では味方の艦隊の退路確保の為に踏みとどまり駆逐艦１隻で米艦隊と戦って沈んだ話が実話であるからな雪風のシーンの元ネタ
これを見てわかることは実弾最強⭐️
あと、装甲は大事。
宇宙空間なら加速し続けるからねw
実は雪風が装備してた試製一式魚雷がつよつよだっただけで、他の実弾も地球艦隊のビームよろしくはじかれちゃいますねー
戦艦大和の46ｃｍ砲なら通用するにかな？
@@taisuke0011 ガミラス艦の舷側装甲1000mm超えてるし多分無理じゃないかなあ？
This should have been part of adult swim’s saturday night anime
I hope they get to air some of Funimation's dub at some point.
0:31 and onwards my team being pummeled in wows...except for that carrying destroyer
0:36 that one ship that gets citpenned from across the map by enemy BBs in the first minutes of the match.
0:45 That one under-tiered ship that got faildivved into a high tier match that lines up a shot perfectly but bounces all their shots off the enemy BBs
2:19 That moment when you're the only ship left in your team but you become spotted
1:34 When you can't afford to take another hit, but fire and immediately get focus fired.
1:00 *Insert old Wows collision horn here*
1:26どこ飛んでんだよw
ぐっち、 草 砲撃で吸い出されたんじゃない？
それ草
トンズラじゃ～ないでしょ？
The captions at this time in the modern star blazers it might be wrong but “is this an ambush” Then “reverse turn around”
I was reading the weapon load out for the earth ships and the destroyer has 8 missile tubes but I have no clue where they are at on the ship, anyone know?
They're on the top side, you can see the hatches in detail-up drawings and certain shots.
Reminds me of the Battle of Loum
Or battle of Wolf 359 th-cam.com/video/4-0Jg6_zHu0/w-d-xo.html
when mondays are worse than usual
I watched the yamato 2199 series becuase of this ! It was great
Glad to hear that!
Those ships don't even have deflector shields
+QIHONG JIN
Which ones, the Gamilon fleet or the Cosmo Navy?
Because neither of them have shields.
I think - shields is too popular ability of starships. TOO popular. Almost every space sci-fi movie/series/anime/cartoon 've got ships protectred by energy shields.
ehmmmBattlestarGalacticaehmm... I know you said ''Almost'' but this is for those who doesn't know it
In battlestar galactica, they don't have shields, but they can take some shots before expoding...
Well in Battlestar Galactica, they aren't slinging around antimatter beams. I doubt the Galactica would fare well under such circumstances.
1:30
Captain: Nopenopenopenope turn this ship around were leaving
f.ck this shit I'm out :D
I love these kind of videos