Vivian Vance and Lucille Ball were fantastic together! They both made the show unforgettable...my favorite episode was the show featuring Lucy working at a candy factory on the conveyor belt, it was definitely one of her best! 😅
@@FactsVerseVIDEO REQUEST: Facts About The Untold Story And Truth of Kenneth Tobey And Simon Oakland. Born in Oakland, California, Kenneth Tobey was headed for a law career when he first dabbled in acting at the University of California Little Theater. That experience led to a year and a half of study at New York's Neighborhood Playhouse, where his classmates included Gregory Peck, Eli Wallach and Tony Randall. Throughout the 1940s Tobey acted on Broadway and in stock; he made his film debut in a 1943 short, "The Man on the Ferry." He made his Hollywood film bow in a Hopalong Cassidy Western, and has since appeared in scores of features and on numerous TV series. He even had his own series, Whirlybirds (1957), in which he played an adventurous helicopter pilot. And One of the movies' most memorable tough guys, Simon Oakland actually began his career as a concert violinist, turning to acting in the late 1940s. After a long string of roles in Broadway hits, including "Light Up the Sky," "The Shrike" and "Inherit the Wind," Oakland made his film debut as the tough but compassionate journalist who speaks up for Susan Hayward's "Barbara Graham" in I Want to Live! (1958). He would go on to play a long series of tough guy types, albeit usually on the right side of the law, in such films as The Sand Pebbles (1966), Tony Rome (1967), Psycho (1960), and, most notably, nasty Lieutenant Schrank in West Side Story (1961). He was also a frequently seen face on TV, at one point serving as a regular or semi-regular on four different series at once. Much respected by his co-workers as a total professional, he died, after a long battle with cancer, one day after his 68th birthday.
In the early 70s, I watched I Love Lucy reruns in the afternoons after my parents' divorce. Thrown into a new school, a not unfamiliar situation for many kids of the time, I found comfort in these reruns. These shows had a huge influence on my sense of humor. In a time of shifting seas, when real adult weren't always dependable, Lucy and Ethel were. Thank you!
I have always heard about Lucille and how treated Vivian. I heard about everything . Especially that Vivian and Lucy were Not Close at all. Lucille Ball was known as a B____ch!! I am not making this up!!!!
I believe you missed something about Ball and Vance's working relationship. From the start; Lucy that Vivian Vance was too young to play the part. It was Desi and the other producer who helped to convince Ball. Some of the other reasons was hair color and Vance's size. Ball didn't want Vance to overshadow her, but Vance helped to convince Ball by changing her hair color, and telling Ball she would look a lot bigger on TV. It was all this; plus Vance's showbiz professionalism, that convinced Ball to allow her to take the role in the first place. It's also very well known; that Vance said out loud, that Frawley was too old, saying she didn't like working with "That Old Man'. Frawley overheard this, and the feud began.
Again another misunderstanding about Vance looking older and dowdier than Lucy was off - her character on I Love Lucy was being the wife of William Frawley - 22 years her senior. They were supposed to be lower income and a generation older than the Ricardos - if Vance dressed equally to Ball and acted as if she was the same age (she was only 2 years older) it would have thrown the dynamic off. I consider the two couples:The Fabulous Four making I Love Lucy a super hit from 1951 to date.
For the character she played and the character for Fred I always thought Fraley was too old….however I didn’t like how dumpy and poor that the Mertz’s were made to be….Vivian overcame or coped with her childhood upbringing.
I never missed an episode of "I Love Lucy". I can still laugh at the shows today, even though I've seen them all a dozen times. My favorite show was the wine making episode, with Lucy stomping on the grapes.
I completely understand Vivian's response to an abusive father for I had an insane mother and though I have had close women friends my romantic relationships have been a disaster. My favorite I Love Lucy is the one where Lucy is peddling the nutritional supplement with alcohol in it. One of the best bits ever on TV; right up there with Who is On First with Abbot and Costello.
I Love Lucy 1952 - 1955 only not thereafter was one of the greatest programs of all times!!!!! I've seen all the episode re-runs since I was a pre-teen in 1963 at least 2500 times on t.v.!!!!!! My favorite episode is Ricky asks for a raise where the gang(Ethel, Lucy, Fred dress up in various hilarious costumes as guests at the Copa Cabana club). Also Lucy is Ricky's agent in Hollywood, Too Many Crooks, Lucy demands a dress in Paris and goes on a phony hunger strike!!!!!! I can never get enough of this program except for a few very bad episodes!!!
I remember watching I love lucy with my mom in the mid-50’s after my siblings were off to school. It would make my mom laugh so constantly and hilariously at times that I would laugh too- not really knowing what was so funny! Here I am-70 years of age- and still watching I love lucy, not just in memory of my mom but because I grew up loving this crazy red head that made us all laugh! Since I have so many favorite episodes it’s so hard to pick just one but I’ll go ahead and pick one of my many favorites - the Europe trip where Lucy’s skirt gets caught on a bike, misses her boat and has to take a helicopter-😱🤪😩 !! can’t wait to read what other viewers have to say about this iconic crazy television show!!
Ricky put Lucy on an allowance. To cut back on expenses, she decided she would do her own hair-perms and make her own clothes. When she cut out the dress pattern on the floor, she cut the carpet as well. And her hair-perm looked like Little Orphan Annie. Lucy was/is so funny!
Vivian was the perfect actress to play opposite Lucille Ball. She was as funny as Lucy. One of my favorite episodes was when Lucy bought a wig and tried to disguise herself to see if Ricky flirted with her. Then Lucy had an idea to meet with Ricky and continue with the charade. Ricky said he was bringing his friend with him to the restaurant and they knew it was Fred so Ethel decided to contact her friend to get a costume to wear and the only one her friend had was a Geisha, Eskimo, Indian costume.
My favorite I love Lucy is the episode where Harpo Marx comes to their California hotel room. His harp playing is magnificent, and the mirror bit is hilarious, and priceless. Second favorite is the candy shop.
Two corrections: While preparing for the filming of each episode was difficult because Lucy demanded perfection (Because she expected it of herself, as well) but the overall shooting schedule was not hectic or overly stressful. They performed the taped episode on Thursday, which meant that they had a three day weekend each week. Second, Frawley and Vance did not BOTH reject the idea of a Fred and Ethel spin-off. Frawley was gung ho for the idea, but Vance flat out rejected it, because she did not want to work with him again. This further angered Frawley, and put an additional in the nail on the coffin that was their personal relationship
@@GeminiladyJackson-xq6hc It's ancient folklore: "Champagne for everyone!" Nobody knows where she said it or whom she said it to. So no, I don't believe it, but it's all over these boards.
My favorite episode was when Lucy was the vitametavegamine girl it so unrealistic but still so funny because in real life they wouldn't use the actual thing with alcohol and as a result of its alcoholic contents get drunk from having to do so many takes.
You forgot to mention that Vivian Vance & Lucille Ball were best friends in real life. In fact, Lucille Ball & Vivian Vance were together for a while just prior to & at the time of Ms. Vance's death. I believe Ms. Vance died from cancer. I know this because once when Ms. Ball was a guest on the "Tonight Show" ( after the death of Vivian Vance), Ms. Ball herself stated she stayed with her "dear friend", Vivian Vance for a while just before Ms. Vance died. Thank you.
@@FactsVerse Id like to hear about Jack Lord. A friend of mine claimed he frequented his convenience store in Hawaii a few times a week and was usually in the company of young Philippine men
I've just watched The Lucy Show this past weekend, and my favorite show was with Lucy and Vivian and the kids at camp, losing their way back to camp but at the end, meeting up with 2 bears a tamed bear and a untamed bear. 😂😂 I love them all but this was my favorite show.
Vivian was a great actress on I Love Lucy. It was really hard to believe William & Ethel didnt get along they both were so good on I Love Lucy. One great show I loved them all. No I never knew Vivian wanted her character to be more feminine & I don't believe she was gay but if she was it was her business & not mine.
Oh my goodness I just realized something personal. My relationship with my sister is so much like Lucy and Vivian. My sister is much strong willed and determined with a bit of a domineering personality and I’m the more sensitive one. We’re close but man can we clash.
in my humble opinion .. I Love Lucy would not have been as successful without Vivian Vance. Lucille & Vivian’s chemistry set the bar for all comedy based television shows moving forward. In many episodes I felt Vivian stole the show just like Megan Mullaly did on Will & Grace
I didn't know much about Vivian. I think her and Lucy were great together. I loved the show, but since it's been such a long time ago, I can't remember my favorite episodes.
The episode where Ethel and Lucy catch a ride to Florida and change the flat tire on the car. Then they all think they are riding with hatchet murderer Evelyn Holmby!😂
I don't really have a favorite I Love Lucy episode but one of my favorites is The Operetta when Lucy is the treasurer of the womans club and she has to put a play together but had already spent the money in the treasury.
Some interesting facts and theories, for sure. Wondering if the inner turmoil Vance seemed to continuously face helped shorten her life, because of the mind-body connection. After Vance left the Lucy Show, I think that began to spell the long decline in the quality of Lucy's remaining tv seasons, although bringing Lucie to the new Here's Lucy helped bump it up for a while.BTW, my favorite episode of ILL, which I recently found on Paramount+, is The Mr. and Mrs. Breakfast TV show. Among its gems is Vance and Frawley singing the Phipps Department store jingle....twice! :-D
I never saw a tremendous contrast between the Ethel Mertz character and Vivian Bagley other than her dressing better and being allowed to be her age. Other than that, her chemistry and delivery with Lucille Ball was essentially the same. I did read that Vivian complained that much of her dialogue on I LOVE LUCY sounded a bit "butch," which may have been why she asked to have Vivian Bagley seem more "feminine."
I think her being in the show helped make it what it was. All the actors in the show made it what it was.she was in another show with Lucy. I forget the name?
@@barbarafox437 i think there was two more shows after that. The one where Lucy was a secretary for Mr. Mooney. I think there was one more show she was in white her kids. I think people got a bit tired by then. You can only rehash old how’s.
One of my favorite episodes of I love Lucy was Ethel and Lucy sitting beside William Holden in a restaurant in Hollywood. Lucy was the consummate slapstick artist. The magic was lost in The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy in my opinion. I feel she aged out in the type of humor that worked so well in I love Lucy.
I think my fvorite moment of Vivian Vance was where the ladies allowances were discussed, and Lucy is very sad when Ricky gives her only a hundred dollars. however Vivian Vance killed me with her remark, "you're lucky Lucy, that's all Fred has spent on our whole marriage!" I laughed so hard I nearly pee'd myself. my other favorite episeode is of coarse the all time chocolate factory scene.
I feel like the time period was the period where women were married to older men. So I’m not sure why Fred would be worried about the age, however, I think the issue was not only his alcoholism, but that he didn’t find Vivian to be as attractive. As an adult watching I Love Lucy, which I still love to this day, I feel like Vivian should have shined way better, she was actually in my opinion just as beautiful, if not more beautiful than Lucy. And I am not surprised that she had a therapist, because they were so negative they always talked about her weight and just had her in a negative light, which is also a testament to Hollywood in that time period, because even Bea Arthur (Dorothy) (golden girls) has similar experiences as Vivian, she came to a point where she got fed up with being portrayed as less feminine and manly, and in a negative light, I’m glad that both the women were able to stand up for themselves and demand their respect that they both deserved, I wish that we would have seen more of Vivian’s work as well as B Arthur’s work before they passed, but I am grateful to see what I was able to see
I love the episode where Lucy dances with Van Johnson. To me that episode represents her wish to finally be in a show. Not one of Ricky's nightclub acts, but a show non the less. On a side note, I always loved Ethel's dresses when they had to get dressed up. She carried herself so beautifully.
Just my opinion of course, but I felt Vivian contributed a lot during the Lucy Show. The later seasons opening credits had a like 5 hours of just Lucy in different dress and then 3 seconds of Vivian. I can imagine working with someone like Lucy who was "all her all the time." I love them both, though.
From everything I read about Lucy,she must have had some kind of problem with her looks. She insisted that Vivian not diet, wear frumpy clothes so she didn’t outshine Lucy. Think back of all the times they had to dress incognito to surprise the fellows! Remember how Vivian always had the worst outfits and Lucy had the glamorous clothes!!! I really don’t have a favorite show, they were all funny, until they moved to the suburbs and you could see the tension between her and Desi. Sorry if I hurt some feelings out there but, I call it as I see it. No badgering please!!!
I appreciated this video but as someone who has read practically every book about "I Love Lucy" I feel some clarifications are necessary. First, Lucille Ball strongly opposed Vivian Vance as Ethel Mertz, but Desi Arnaz firmly requested that Lucy give her a chance. Lucy gradually accepted her as Vivian proved her talent. With regard to Vivian Vance and her costar William Frawley, it was Vivian who initiated the bad relationship when Bill Frawley overheard her saying that no one would believe that she was married to that "old coot". Frawley replied with words that I shall not mention here! However, when the Fred and Ethel Mertz spinoff series was proposed, Frawley agreed because he would have received a lot of money. It was Vivian who vehemently opposed the idea and refused to participate. The two television icons never spoke to each other again.
I got the impression that Lucy did not really like VV and insisted she be overweight for her role in an effort to make Lucy look better. Vivian could really sing well. Of course, my favorite episode was them working on that candy line. One beef about Desi-I think he was responsible for those irritating and insulting laugh tracks.
@@FactsVerse If there is one video subject that is sure to please everyone, it's one about Marilyn. Maybe get into the rivalry between her and Jayne. I admire Jayne for her very high IQ.
Also Frawley according to Desi was never late for work and did everything he was supposed to do.That was a promise he made to Desi when he was hired. This article got a long wrong. The Lucy fans on here know the real truth.
From the episodes I've seen on re-runs and streaming platforms, I thought VF was a great actress. I liked her more than LB. Also liked the actor that played Fred Mertz more than Desi Arnaz, although DA was a very talented band leader. I know LB is considered a comedic genius as mentioned in this video. I did love LG's facial expressions and reactions. I remember the candy episode. Did not know about VF's marriages. Sad. Glad her last marriage was a happy one.
Favorite was all 4 driving to Calif, got stuck in a horrendous motel & every time the train near the motel went by, all the furniture moved. And poor Ethel was brushing her teeth while a train went by & came out with toothpaste all over her face!
The concept that Vivian Vance needed to be in therapy every morning in order to perform with Lucille Ball was not correct. At this time she was married to a man who was abusive and caused her to be depressed. Vance had a history emotional distress and had been hospitalized early in her life. Also, she had four husbands, the last marriage being the best, but this husband was a homosexual.
I heard somewhere a long time ago that Lucielle Ball also demanded that VV always be 15-30lbs heavier than her so that LB would always appear “more attractive” than Viv Vance. In other words, Vance is one if the first noted “DUFF”??
@@FactsVerse i think they are both beautiful. I remember watching a show where they actually talked about how it can be difficult to think of a female comedian as being in the same category of attractiveness as females in other industries because of how we psychologically associate their characters as goofy and comedic, it was interesting! Do we have trouble seeing funny women as being equally attractive as women in other roles?
Yes, yes to your trite questions about Vivian Vance, but a big NO to the part that you have wrong. Lucille did not favor Vivian in the role of Ethel Mertz. She had initially desired the role to go to actress and friend Barbara Pepper but CBS rejected that suggestion in that Barbara was known to cause filming delays due to her drinking at the time.. Lucy secondarily desired actress Bea Bernadette to play the role. But Bea's contract to play Blanche opposite Gracie Allen on the Burns and Allen Show was Ironclad. I believe it was Jess Oppenheimer who pointed out Vivian Vance to Desi Arnaz while she was starring in an Off-Broadway production at the time. The two gentlemen journeyed out of New York City to see her perform and were so taken with her performance that Desi immediately offered her a contract. While Lucille had to approve and first right of refusal if the person hired to play Ethel were not to her liking. Desi convinced Vivian that would not be a problem. He would be able to convince Lucille that Vance was the perfect person. So it was he not Lucille who originally believed Vivian would be perfection in the role. However, after Lucille saw Vivian perform it was a rather easy task to convince her she was indeed the right person. But those are the ACTUAL facts. God bless, Jack A.S VanNote President JAV Communcative Enterprises A Multimedia Firm with interests in Film Television and Video Productions-- General Programming, Documentaries, Sports/Entertainment and Christian ✝️ Family Fare
I feel Viv was a better actor in the I Love Lucy show as she was more natural of the two. No need to bring in the gay speculation-thats uncalled for and demeaning to a wonderful actress.
I recently watched a roast for Lucille Ball. She wasn’t well liked. Gale Gordon, her costar on the Lucy show, said that Vivian was a better actress. He said little else. Vivian herself said very little to Lucy. No love lost there. I had a friend that worked for American Airlines. Lucille was banned from flying with them. Got too buzzed and combative onboard. No thanks Red. Fly other unfriendly skies.
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Yes!
Lucy & Vivian had great on screen chemistry.
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Vivian Vance and Lucille Ball were fantastic together! They both made the show unforgettable...my favorite episode was the show featuring Lucy working at a candy factory on the conveyor belt, it was definitely one of her best! 😅
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@@FactsVerseVIDEO REQUEST: Facts About The Untold Story And Truth of Kenneth Tobey And Simon Oakland. Born in Oakland, California, Kenneth Tobey was headed for a law career when he first dabbled in acting at the University of California Little Theater. That experience led to a year and a half of study at New York's Neighborhood Playhouse, where his classmates included Gregory Peck, Eli Wallach and Tony Randall. Throughout the 1940s Tobey acted on Broadway and in stock; he made his film debut in a 1943 short, "The Man on the Ferry." He made his Hollywood film bow in a Hopalong Cassidy Western, and has since appeared in scores of features and on numerous TV series. He even had his own series, Whirlybirds (1957), in which he played an adventurous helicopter pilot. And One of the movies' most memorable tough guys, Simon Oakland actually began his career as a concert violinist, turning to acting in the late 1940s. After a long string of roles in Broadway hits, including "Light Up the Sky," "The Shrike" and "Inherit the Wind," Oakland made his film debut as the tough but compassionate journalist who speaks up for Susan Hayward's "Barbara Graham" in I Want to Live! (1958). He would go on to play a long series of tough guy types, albeit usually on the right side of the law, in such films as The Sand Pebbles (1966), Tony Rome (1967), Psycho (1960), and, most notably, nasty Lieutenant Schrank in West Side Story (1961). He was also a frequently seen face on TV, at one point serving as a regular or semi-regular on four different series at once. Much respected by his co-workers as a total professional, he died, after a long battle with cancer, one day after his 68th birthday.
I watched the show with my mom so looking back brings back wonderful laugh filled evenings, thanks for the memories
Vivian was beautiful and talented. May she rest in peace.
Thank you so much for your beautiful message for Vivian. We miss her 😭😭
Amen.
In the early 70s, I watched I Love Lucy reruns in the afternoons after my parents' divorce. Thrown into a new school, a not unfamiliar situation for many kids of the time, I found comfort in these reruns. These shows had a huge influence on my sense of humor. In a time of shifting seas, when real adult weren't always dependable, Lucy and Ethel were. Thank you!
I loved Fred and Ethel. They were great as those character.
Vivian Vance was an incredible actress and amazing woman 👠 .
Rest in Peace Miss Vance 🥰
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Vivian Vance was a very wise woman! She knew when to seek help and it apparently was effective.
Beautiful words, thank you for your message for Vivian. Which episode of the show appealed to you the most?
I have always heard about Lucille and how treated Vivian. I heard about everything . Especially that Vivian and Lucy were Not Close at all. Lucille Ball was known as a B____ch!! I am not making this up!!!!
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I believe you missed something about Ball and Vance's working relationship. From the start; Lucy that Vivian Vance was too young to play the part. It was Desi and the other producer who helped to convince Ball. Some of the other reasons was hair color and Vance's size. Ball didn't want Vance to overshadow her, but Vance helped to convince Ball by changing her hair color, and telling Ball she would look a lot bigger on TV. It was all this; plus Vance's showbiz professionalism, that convinced Ball to allow her to take the role in the first place. It's also very well known; that Vance said out loud, that Frawley was too old, saying she didn't like working with "That Old Man'. Frawley overheard this, and the feud began.
Again another misunderstanding about Vance looking older and dowdier than Lucy was off - her character on I Love Lucy was being the wife of William Frawley - 22 years her senior. They were supposed to be lower income and a generation older than the Ricardos - if Vance dressed equally to Ball and acted as if she was the same age (she was only 2 years older) it would have thrown the dynamic off. I consider the two couples:The Fabulous Four making I Love Lucy a super hit from 1951 to date.
It was Vivian Vance who complained about William Frawley being a lot older than she was. He was offended, and that started the tension between them.
Yes, I heard that William Frawley overheard Vivian Vance complaining about their age difference which made him offended and he never forgave her.
For the character she played and the character for Fred I always thought Fraley was too old….however I didn’t like how dumpy and poor that the Mertz’s were made to be….Vivian overcame or coped with her childhood upbringing.
However look at the Art it took to be a total different person from themselves hence acting craft…great example … Edith Bunker.
@@deannaroberson1451y porqué ofenderse si era la verdad???
True
I never missed an episode of "I Love Lucy". I can still laugh at the shows today, even though I've seen them all a dozen times. My favorite show was the wine making episode, with Lucy stomping on the grapes.
I believe at the end of the wine episode Lucy had a few words to say that was bleeped out. I was always curious what she did say
@@lishamarlar4597 "This was a rather messy experience which I don't care much to repeat."
@@lishamarlar4597 she said i hate fucking grapes, she was known for her foul mouth.
I completely understand Vivian's response to an abusive father for I had an insane mother and though I have had close women friends my romantic relationships have been a disaster.
My favorite I Love Lucy is the one where Lucy is peddling the nutritional supplement with alcohol in it. One of the best bits ever on TV; right up there with Who is On First with Abbot and Costello.
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@@FactsVerse thanks
Vitameatavegamin 😉
Brown Derby episode is my All Time Favorite ♥️
My favorite episode is when Lucy met William Holden.
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I Love Lucy 1952 - 1955 only not thereafter was one of the greatest programs of all times!!!!! I've seen all the episode re-runs since I was a pre-teen in 1963 at least 2500 times on t.v.!!!!!!
My favorite episode is Ricky asks for a raise where the gang(Ethel, Lucy, Fred dress up in various hilarious costumes as guests at the Copa Cabana club). Also Lucy is Ricky's agent in Hollywood, Too Many Crooks, Lucy demands a dress in Paris and goes on a phony hunger strike!!!!!!
I can never get enough of this program except for a few very bad episodes!!!
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@@FactsVerse: Now I know you're a bot!!! I gave three episodes!!!
I love Lucy actually started 1951 October 15th
I remember watching I love lucy with my mom in the mid-50’s after my siblings were off to school. It would make my mom laugh so constantly and hilariously at times that I would laugh too- not really knowing what was so funny! Here I am-70 years of age- and still watching I love lucy, not just in memory of my mom but because I grew up loving this crazy red head that made us all laugh! Since I have so many favorite episodes it’s so hard to pick just one but I’ll go ahead and pick one of my many favorites - the Europe trip where Lucy’s skirt gets caught on a bike, misses her boat and has to take a helicopter-😱🤪😩 !! can’t wait to read what other viewers have to say about this iconic crazy television show!!
Oh my gosh.... Was wondering who might pick that as their favorite as well, as it's mine too!
Best wishes to you and don't miss the boat!
It was the same for me and my Mom, but a decade later.
It was Lucys show. She was the star an the rest complimented her. Great casting an unforgettable comedic talent on everyone’s part.
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I miss this show so much ❤
🤔 You must mean you miss the late actress ?. Because you can still watch the old series in reruns again and again............
Pluto tv has an I Love Lucy channel.
@@HunnyBee15Thanks, wasn't aware of that...👍
Us too! Which episode is the most memorable for you?
@@FactsVerse all of them.
Ricky put Lucy on an allowance. To cut back on expenses, she decided she would do her own hair-perms and make her own clothes.
When she cut out the dress pattern on the floor, she cut the carpet as well. And her hair-perm looked like Little Orphan Annie.
Lucy was/is so funny!
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My favorite episode was the stomping of grapes when they went to Italy.😂❤
I remember that one, it was a good one 👍
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@@FactsVerse Lucy
Rip to the best sidekick and actress
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*what a misleading title, I did not once hear from Vivian's mouth say any secrets, just some gay guy talking the whole time*
The entire cast had a great work ethic and they were super professional.
Vivian was the perfect actress to play opposite Lucille Ball. She was as funny as Lucy. One of my favorite episodes was when Lucy bought a wig and tried to disguise herself to see if Ricky flirted with her. Then Lucy had an idea to meet with Ricky and continue with the charade. Ricky said he was bringing his friend with him to the restaurant and they knew it was Fred so Ethel decided to contact her friend to get a costume to wear and the only one her friend had was a Geisha, Eskimo, Indian costume.
Vivian was a beautiful lady. Wirh a wonderful personality
My favorite I love Lucy is the episode where Harpo Marx comes to their California hotel room. His harp playing is magnificent, and the mirror bit is hilarious, and priceless. Second favorite is the candy shop.
Two corrections: While preparing for the filming of each episode was difficult because Lucy demanded perfection (Because she expected it of herself, as well) but the overall shooting schedule was not hectic or overly stressful. They performed the taped episode on Thursday, which meant that they had a three day weekend each week. Second, Frawley and Vance did not BOTH reject the idea of a Fred and Ethel spin-off. Frawley was gung ho for the idea, but Vance flat out rejected it, because she did not want to work with him again. This further angered Frawley, and put an additional in the nail on the coffin that was their personal relationship
When William Frawley died in 1966, Vivian Vance said, Champagne, anyone?
@@GeminiladyJackson-xq6hcso?
@@GeminiladyJackson-xq6hc It's ancient folklore: "Champagne for everyone!" Nobody knows where she said it or whom she said it to. So no, I don't believe it, but it's all over these boards.
Vivian deserved a starring role. Got shorted for that matter. Her singing ability was better than Lucy's.
Luckily it wasn't a show based on singing. Lol.
My favorite episode was when Lucy was the vitametavegamine girl it so unrealistic but still so funny because in real life they wouldn't use the actual thing with alcohol and as a result of its alcoholic contents get drunk from having to do so many takes.
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My two favorite "I Love Lucy" episodes are "Lucy Does A TV Commercial" & "Lucy's Italian Movie".
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Yup, Lucy played a drunk to perfection, my favorite episode. 😀👍
You forgot to mention that Vivian Vance & Lucille Ball were best friends in real life. In fact, Lucille Ball & Vivian Vance were together for a while just prior to & at the time of Ms. Vance's death. I believe Ms. Vance died from cancer. I know this because once when Ms. Ball was a guest on the "Tonight Show" ( after the death of Vivian Vance), Ms. Ball herself stated she stayed with her "dear friend", Vivian Vance for a while just before Ms. Vance died. Thank you.
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@@FactsVerse Id like to hear about Jack Lord. A friend of mine claimed he frequented his convenience store in Hawaii a few times a week and was usually in the company of young Philippine men
Great show !
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Watching old films on Turner Classic Movies brings about wonderful glimpses into the 1950s TV actors and their earlier film roles.
My favorite episode is Harpo Marx. Vivian was a great entertainer and her private life was her business
I like the episode where the two ladies were working in a chocolate factory.
Me too that was my favorite! 😂
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I've just watched The Lucy Show this past weekend, and my favorite show was with Lucy and Vivian and the kids at camp, losing their way back to camp but at the end, meeting up with 2 bears a tamed bear and a untamed bear. 😂😂 I love them all but this was my favorite show.
I always prefer the shows with both Lucy and Vivian. Much as I do love Lucy, in some ways I like Vivian better!❤
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Vivian was a great actress on I Love Lucy. It was really hard to believe William & Ethel didnt get along they both were so good on I Love Lucy. One great show I loved them all. No I never knew Vivian wanted her character to be more feminine & I don't believe she was gay but if she was it was her business & not mine.
I hate when they throw in rumors like she may have been gay after she's gone and not able to answer
I don't know about William Frawley's not liking the age difference between them, but I do know that Vivian Vance was livid about it.
Wow, very interesting. 😁👏🏻Thank you.
Oh my goodness I just realized something personal. My relationship with my sister is so much like Lucy and Vivian. My sister is much strong willed and determined with a bit of a domineering personality and I’m the more sensitive one. We’re close but man can we clash.
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It’s not always easy but I know what to say and what not to say. Focus on what we agree on and avoid talking about what we disagree on.
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in my humble opinion .. I Love Lucy would not have been as successful without Vivian Vance. Lucille & Vivian’s chemistry set the bar for all comedy based television shows moving forward. In many episodes I felt Vivian stole the show just like Megan Mullaly did on Will & Grace
Vivian Vance was the first actress to win an Emmy for best supporting actress in a television show. Incredible!
I'm watching her right now
I didn't know much about Vivian. I think her and Lucy were great together. I loved the show, but since it's been such a long time ago, I can't remember my favorite episodes.
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The episode where Ethel and Lucy catch a ride to Florida and change the flat tire on the car. Then they all think they are riding with hatchet murderer Evelyn Holmby!😂
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The ep where the gang went to Albuquerque to see Ethel Mae's father was exceptional and very funny.
I love all of the episodes of the I love Lucy show. And the Lucy show
I don't really have a favorite I Love Lucy episode but one of my favorites is The Operetta when Lucy is the treasurer of the womans club and she has to put a play together but had already spent the money in the treasury.
"The Pleasant Peasant."
Some interesting facts and theories, for sure. Wondering if the inner turmoil Vance seemed to continuously face helped shorten her life, because of the mind-body connection. After Vance left the Lucy Show, I think that began to spell the long decline in the quality of Lucy's remaining tv seasons, although bringing Lucie to the new Here's Lucy helped bump it up for a while.BTW, my favorite episode of ILL, which I recently found on Paramount+, is The Mr. and Mrs. Breakfast TV show. Among its gems is Vance and Frawley singing the Phipps Department store jingle....twice! :-D
Phipps is a great big bunch of gyps!
I never saw a tremendous contrast between the Ethel Mertz character and Vivian Bagley other than her dressing better and being allowed to be her age. Other than that, her chemistry and delivery with Lucille Ball was essentially the same. I did read that Vivian complained that much of her dialogue on I LOVE LUCY sounded a bit "butch," which may have been why she asked to have Vivian Bagley seem more "feminine."
I think her being in the show helped make it what it was. All the actors in the show made it what it was.she was in another show with Lucy. I forget the name?
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Here’s Lucy.
@@barbarafox437 i think there was two more shows after that. The one where Lucy was a secretary for Mr. Mooney. I think there was one more show she was in white her kids. I think people got a bit tired by then. You can only rehash old how’s.
One of my favorite episodes of I love Lucy was Ethel and Lucy sitting beside William Holden in a restaurant in Hollywood. Lucy was the consummate slapstick artist. The magic was lost in The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy in my opinion. I feel she aged out in the type of humor that worked so well in I love Lucy.
I Love Vivian!
I liked them all
I think my fvorite moment of Vivian Vance was where the ladies allowances were discussed, and Lucy is very sad when Ricky gives her only a hundred dollars. however Vivian Vance killed me with her remark, "you're lucky Lucy, that's all Fred has spent on our whole marriage!" I laughed so hard I nearly pee'd myself. my other favorite episeode is of coarse the all time chocolate factory scene.
I feel like the time period was the period where women were married to older men. So I’m not sure why Fred would be worried about the age, however, I think the issue was not only his alcoholism, but that he didn’t find Vivian to be as attractive. As an adult watching I Love Lucy, which I still love to this day, I feel like Vivian should have shined way better, she was actually in my opinion just as beautiful, if not more beautiful than Lucy. And I am not surprised that she had a therapist, because they were so negative they always talked about her weight and just had her in a negative light, which is also a testament to Hollywood in that time period, because even Bea Arthur (Dorothy) (golden girls) has similar experiences as Vivian, she came to a point where she got fed up with being portrayed as less feminine and manly, and in a negative light, I’m glad that both the women were able to stand up for themselves and demand their respect that they both deserved, I wish that we would have seen more of Vivian’s work as well as B Arthur’s work before they passed, but I am grateful to see what I was able to see
My favorite show.
Why can't comedy be without drama?
Comedy with a story behind it. Hasn't changed to this day
human nature
I love the episode where Lucy dances with Van Johnson. To me that episode represents her wish to finally be in a show. Not one of Ricky's nightclub acts, but a show non the less. On a side note, I always loved Ethel's dresses when they had to get dressed up. She carried herself so beautifully.
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Bring back the I love Lucy Show to Hallmark Chanel !
I saw a tabloid telling of how Lucy and Vivian had a gay relationship under wraps so anything's possible beyond many expectations.
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I love all I Love Lucy shows, but there are several that are just hilarious. One of them is when the husbands think Lucy is a cleptomaniac.
Just my opinion of course, but I felt Vivian contributed a lot during the Lucy Show.
The later seasons opening credits had a like 5 hours of just Lucy in different dress and then 3 seconds of Vivian.
I can imagine working with someone like Lucy who was "all her all the time."
I love them both, though.
One stands out was the cigar episode i love that one
I remember I Love Lucy favorite episode is when Lucy went to the Brown Derby restaurant or an Ethel call when she saw William Holden I was so funny
Vivian Vance is a beautiful name.
From everything I read about Lucy,she must have had some kind of problem with her looks. She insisted that Vivian not diet, wear frumpy clothes so she didn’t outshine Lucy. Think back of all the times they had to dress incognito to surprise the fellows! Remember how Vivian always had the worst outfits and Lucy had the glamorous clothes!!! I really don’t have a favorite show, they were all funny, until they moved to the suburbs and you could see the tension between her and Desi. Sorry if I hurt some feelings out there but, I call it as I see it. No badgering please!!!
I appreciated this video but as someone who has read practically every book about "I Love Lucy" I feel some clarifications are necessary. First, Lucille Ball strongly opposed Vivian Vance as Ethel Mertz, but Desi Arnaz firmly requested that Lucy give her a chance. Lucy gradually accepted her as Vivian proved her talent. With regard to Vivian Vance and her costar William Frawley, it was Vivian who initiated the bad relationship when Bill Frawley overheard her saying that no one would believe that she was married to that "old coot". Frawley replied with words that I shall not mention here! However, when the Fred and Ethel Mertz spinoff series was proposed, Frawley agreed because he would have received a lot of money. It was Vivian who vehemently opposed the idea and refused to participate. The two television icons never spoke to each other again.
Where do you get the nonsense that she insisted Vivian be Ethel?! She wanted Barbara Pepper or Bea Bernaderet!
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I got the impression that Lucy did not really like VV and insisted she be overweight for her role in an effort to make Lucy look better. Vivian could really sing well. Of course, my favorite episode was them working on that candy line. One beef about Desi-I think he was responsible for those irritating and insulting laugh tracks.
The candy line is one of the best episodes for me too, so funny! 🤣😂🤣😂👍
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@@FactsVerse If there is one video subject that is sure to please everyone, it's one about Marilyn. Maybe get into the rivalry between her and Jayne. I admire Jayne for her very high IQ.
Lucy thought Vivian was too pretty for the part.
Umm...those weren't laugh tracks....the show was shot on film before a live audience.
Also Frawley according to Desi was never late for work and did everything he was supposed to do.That was a promise he made to Desi when he was hired. This article got a long wrong. The Lucy fans on here know the real truth.
Vivian Vance rest in peace
From the episodes I've seen on re-runs and streaming platforms, I thought VF was a great actress. I liked her more than LB. Also liked the actor that played Fred Mertz more than Desi Arnaz, although DA was a very talented band leader. I know LB is considered a comedic genius as mentioned in this video. I did love LG's facial expressions and reactions. I remember the candy episode. Did not know about VF's marriages. Sad. Glad her last marriage was a happy one.
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Favorite was all 4 driving to Calif, got stuck in a horrendous motel & every time the train near the motel went by, all the furniture moved. And poor Ethel was brushing her teeth while a train went by & came out with toothpaste all over her face!
Mamie little baby loves Ethel Mertz Ethel Mertz mamie's little baby loves Ethel Mertz(not shorten' bread)!!!!!!
Use to like her better on the show,she was PRETTY
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This documentary is stupid. Filled with unverifiable information. Nothing new there
Ethel didn't have to worry she outshone Lucy!!!!!!
She also told the writers in The Lucy Show not to name her character Ethel.She hated that name, called it unfeminine.
The concept that Vivian Vance needed to be in therapy every morning in order to perform with Lucille Ball was not correct. At this time she was married to a man who was abusive and caused her to be depressed. Vance had a history emotional distress and had been hospitalized early in her life. Also, she had four husbands, the last marriage being the best, but this husband was a homosexual.
Also, Lucy was extremely supportive of Vivian emotionally.
there is truth here - but not everything you say is true or tells the fulls story.....I KNOW this
Yes, definitely
I don’t have any favorite thing about I love Lucy…allihaveeverseen is rerun’s of there show.
Their not there
I heard somewhere a long time ago that Lucielle Ball also demanded that VV always be 15-30lbs heavier than her so that LB would always appear “more attractive” than Viv Vance. In other words, Vance is one if the first noted “DUFF”??
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@@FactsVerse i think they are both beautiful. I remember watching a show where they actually talked about how it can be difficult to think of a female comedian as being in the same category of attractiveness as females in other industries because of how we psychologically associate their characters as goofy and comedic, it was interesting! Do we have trouble seeing funny women as being equally attractive as women in other roles?
Yes, yes to your trite questions about Vivian Vance, but a big NO to the part that you have wrong. Lucille did not favor Vivian in the role of Ethel Mertz. She had initially desired the role to go to actress and friend Barbara Pepper but CBS rejected that suggestion in that Barbara was known to cause filming delays due to her drinking at the time.. Lucy secondarily desired actress Bea Bernadette to play the role. But Bea's contract to play Blanche opposite Gracie Allen on the Burns and Allen Show was Ironclad. I believe it was Jess Oppenheimer who pointed out Vivian Vance to Desi Arnaz while she was starring in an Off-Broadway production at the time. The two gentlemen journeyed out of New York City to see her perform and were so taken with her performance that Desi immediately offered her a contract. While Lucille had to approve and first right of refusal if the person hired to play Ethel were not to her liking. Desi convinced Vivian that would not be a problem. He would be able to convince Lucille that Vance was the perfect person. So it was he not Lucille who originally believed Vivian would be perfection in the role. However, after Lucille saw Vivian perform it was a rather easy task to convince her she was indeed the right person. But those are the ACTUAL facts. God bless, Jack A.S VanNote President JAV Communcative Enterprises A Multimedia Firm with interests in Film Television and Video Productions-- General Programming, Documentaries, Sports/Entertainment and Christian ✝️ Family Fare
I felt that Lucy talked down to Ethel alot in certain episodes. Thought she was great in the role she played.
They clashed in the Lucy show. I think viv wanted more parts or money
@@lishamarlar4597 maybe your right. I do know that Ethel didn't like the way she had to dress for the part
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But you are showing I Love Lucy footage, not the Lucy show.
i loved fred mertz and William frawley
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Lucy s Italian movie
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I like when Fred says you probably be one of the bunch
She will always be Ethel Mertz to me not Vivian Vance!!!!!!
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I never been married but my relationships were disasters too.
Nothing new As an I Love Lucy nut there was nothing that I already knew. Vivian was an incredible talent and a consumat professional.
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That tells exactly what kind of person Lucy really was….horrible. ….to bad there all dead..
Learn to spell and use grammerly!
I feel Viv was a better actor in the I Love Lucy show as she was more natural of the two. No need to bring in the gay speculation-thats uncalled for and demeaning to a wonderful actress.
Well there were rumors of Vance had to be more heavy and not too pretty over Lucy ,,,
Are you saying they are the original LAVERNE AND SHIRLEY ?
I recently watched a roast for Lucille Ball. She wasn’t well liked. Gale Gordon, her costar on the Lucy show, said that Vivian was a better actress. He said little else. Vivian herself said very little to Lucy. No love lost there. I had a friend that worked for American Airlines. Lucille was banned from flying with them. Got too buzzed and combative onboard.
No thanks Red. Fly other unfriendly skies.
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I have i love lucy the lucy show heres lucy and the one season life with lucy
Life with Lucy wasn't that funny.
It was in Viv's contract that she be 20 pounds heavier than Lucy!
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