@@jimjuri6490 not necessarily. The message is the same between the original Greek text and a good translation. But for sure , being fluent in Greek for sure helps.
@@nikostheater : Here is an example of tampering with a translation. John 1:18 CSB No one has ever seen God. The one and only Son, who is himself God and is at the Father’s side-he has revealed him. Try and find the words 'who is himself God' in the Greek. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Try and find the expression 'God was manifest in the flesh' in the Greek. Greek nor Hebrew speakers have any advantage over others. If so, All Israelites and Greeks should be Jesus' disciples. John 7:65 He went on to say: “This is why I have said to you, no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” That is how God is gathering JWs from all over the world. See the prophecy at Micah 4:1-5.
@@jimjuri6490 18Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακε πώποτε· ὁ μονογενὴς υἱὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο. It’s an explanation and not tampering. It clarifies the meaning. Not all translations are literal word for word.
christians have never claimed that translations have to be word for word the same, only muslims claim that, christians believes in the message its conveying. If you can show me a translation that conveys a completely different message than the original text you'd have a point. Your ridiculous standard doesnt even hold up for your own book..
Please never stop defending our religion, I was almost lead astray by a lot of misconceptions and people like you have guided and protected me. You are not just converting nonbelievers you are also helping those who are lost and have doubts.
Looking for excuses to avoid the truth will help whom is a question that should be asked? Learn from Jesus. He never claimed to be God. No video can make him into what he is not. Jesus told the Jews: (John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD. What did Jesus claim to be? A man or God? JWs have got it right.
@@jimjuri6490 i don't care about your cult. Im a trinitarian and have complete faith in jesus, your weak arguments and nitpicking of the bible doesn't bother me. Im glad with have people like him who expose you and defend us like athanasius did against arius.
@@jimjuri6490 Thought you were a Muslim, we believe Jesus was a Prophet, as he prayed to God in Matthew 26:39, How can God pray to God? This verse shows us Jesus’s Submission to a higher creator, like Jesus PBUH we should all be in submission to God, that is the definition of the word Muslim.
@@geneenharmouch5109 :Jesus definitely is always in subjection to his God and Father in heaven. Even after Jesus restores paradise to the earth, he hands over the rule of this earth to his God Jehovah and continues in subjection. 1 Corinthians 15:24 Next, the end, when he HANDS OVER the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king UNTIL God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the SON HIMSELF WILL ALSO SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
@@jimjuri6490JESUS became a man because of assignment, but Jesus is the word of God, that is a part of God, then you saying Jesus never claimed to be God is wrong, Jesus ask us to honor and worship him the very way we worship the Father, JOHN 5:23 ,that is calling himself God
JWs don't have an answer... 🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god) but why give half truth. CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON. Let's brake this down and draw out what they didn't. Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency...🤔 Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (arche) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God made them male and female. (arches) ἀρχῆς
@@DannyG-dr3qo acts 28:6 got nothing to do with John 1:1 ,those guys believed in many gods which is why they taught Paul was " a god" ,and in exudes Moses was made like God, not God .
Your whole team is amazing. Learned so much from just this! Bible from Olive Tree is an amazing resource, I started using it when I saw this video. Just the side by side bible thing is so convenient and lists references for you. I always knew TheBlackDoctor is knowledgeable but not to this extent. What an absolute mega-mind that we are blessed to have! All Glory to Jesus Christ!
@inkyfingers3447 Why does it have to be “the black doctor”? Why not just Doctor so and so (insert last name)? Why is it “She’s a strong, black woman.” or “I’m a proud black man.”? Does the Bible not say we are all equal in God’s eyes? So, why is someone who professes to be a Bible scholar and supposed to be teaching people Christian values out here playing with the world’s race politics? If there is to be true equality, everyone needs to stop identifying themselves by their skin color and claiming their separate cultures.
When you're talking to a _Paulian_ ... Q: Who is God? A: Jesus Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary? A: Yes, Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary) Q: Is Jesus a born son? A: Yes, Q: Who is his father? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife Q: Is Jesus the servant of God? A: Yes, Q: Did Jesus die on the cross? A: Yes, Q: And for whom did he go up? A: To God *God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus Q: Is Jesus a Messenger? A: Yes, Q: Who sent him? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive? A: yes, Q: Whom was he praying for? A: For God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus worships God Jesus himself Q: Does God have a beginning? A: No Q: So who was born on December 25th? A: Jesus Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec Q: Where is God? A: In heaven Q: How many Gods are there in heaven? A: God is only one. Q: Where is Jesus sitting? A: He is sitting on the right of God. Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven? A: Only one God Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting to the right of God. Q: So how many gods are there in heaven? A: Only one god. Still Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So who many seated gods are there? A: Only one God? Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting next to the god. Q: How many gods are in heaven? A: Only one. Q: Are they sitting on the same chair? A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit. *so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡🤡
I’m an ex jw, I was raised as a jw, now I’m a Christian, I am happy I found Jesus I had to leave that religion for many reasons, although I’m happy I got out of that religion, I’m kind of sad because I don’t want my family to be brainwashed by this cult. Jesus Christ is king and my lord and savior, god bless us all
My friends I’ve been a Jehovah’s Witness for 33 years heavily studied in the Greek and Hebrew… I would love to have a conversation with you guys. I’m gonna keep this short and point to a fact that disrupts what you are talking about in the first class you guys are pointing out that Jesus has an eternal pass because of John 1:1 Because you say this is pointing back to Genesis one… ultimately your point is is that Jesus is before creation which makes him eternal.. you would be terribly incorrect…. And because I’m responding to your video, I’m not gonna say much more but if you’re interested and someone who has a knowledge in Greek and Hebrew reach out, would love to have the conversation.
I'm a Greek student and feel blessed to be here today. You know, you use the same Bible software as me, The Olive Tree. As the Apostle Paul would say, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. It's such a powerful tool. One cannot be a strong apologist or defend their faith without understanding the Greek and Hebrew Bible. I pray that I become fluent in Greek within a year, like 'The Black Doctor'.
How does knowing a language give someone an advantage over others? 1 Timothy 2:3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE SAVED and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN God and men, A MAN, Christ Jesus,
Sorry, it was not outstanding but highly misleading. The Dr makes mistake after mistake. See my comments. Also, consider heeding the advice of Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17
man... that "is Jesus muslim?" debate was the most funny "debate" ive ever seen. i laughed like an idiot, almost every time these Muslims spoke i had to pause the thing and rest. Thanks for doing it. youre a cool dude
How about he explain how the one he claims was Almighty God became better than the Angels. (Hebrews 1:4) So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.
You would do well to take note of my two recent comments on this video, as the Dr makes some mistakes only a neophyte in Greek would make, is out of date with his 'knowledge' as well as misrepresenting the grammatical basis for the NWT indefinite rendering. It, the video, and the 'Dr' could not be much worse than it and he is in this subject!
JWs don't have an answer... 🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god) but why give half truth. CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON. Let's brake this down and draw out what they didn't. Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency...🤔 Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (arche) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God made them male and female. (arches) ἀρχῆς Next time JWs coming knocking at your door talk with them .
@@Labamba232how so? Would not anyone who understands the Greek be able to correct him then? I don't see any. Even if you wanted to say the Word was "a God", would that not just reaffirm the Trinity, since we know the father, Jesus, and the holy Spirit are all God? So saying Jesus is a God, to mean a part of the Trinity, makes sense
@jndvs95 Actually, no where in the Bible does it say Jesus is God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Father, Jesus and the holy spirit are all God. You can believe that, but it is not Bible based, so to say “we know… are all God.” Deuteronomy 4:35, Exodus 3:15 and Isaiah 42:8 all show Jehovah is the only true God as well as many other scriptures. Jesus told us at John 4:23 that true worshippers would worship the Father in spirit and truth. Yes, Jesus’ father, Jehovah God, is the only true God. Revelation 3:14 tells us Jesus was the beginning of creation by God. He is a created being. At John 20:17 Jesus tells us he has a God, his Father. God does not have a God. Jesus is not God. There are many other scriptures that show who Jesus is. He’s our mediator, redeemer, ransomer, and has been placed by God in a superior position above the angels and all other beings, but he is still subject to his father, Jehovah God.
@@watchman8644 Exodus 6:3-4 KJV [3] and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. [4] And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers. John 8:57-59 KJV [57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. [59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. why were they trying to stone him if he was not claiming to be the "I AM" - translated Jehovah? Matthew 22:43-45 KJV [43] He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, [44] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool? [45] If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? Exodus 3:2 KJV [2] And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. [4] And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. [6] Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. is it the Angel of the LORD who is in the bush, or God? Or both, because Jesus is God?
@@bubba90 That's fine. Just thought I'd alert you to my analysis of the Dr's arguments, which were sorely wanting. By reading them will not mean you have to abandon any beliefs about whether Jesus(as the Word) is "God.". Just that John did not say that at John 1.1. Still, take care my fellow human.
These are some of the questions from John 1:1 that Godlogic failed to address: 1. How can god have a beginning? 2. When the word was with god, does that imply that there were only 2 gods at the beginning? Where was the 3rd god? 3. The word become flesh. The bible says god does not change his nature. But now the word has turned into flesh. So how this is not a contradiction. 4. GodLogic admitted that there is corruption in the biblical text. So how could he based his discussion and faith on a corrupted book. GodLogic, please answer.
1. God doesn't have a beginning. He is the beginning. As Jesus said, " Before Abraham was, I AM" 2. There is only 1 God. He Is in 3 persons. There were never 2 gods. God was with God. The Son (The Word) was with the Father and is one with Him in nature. He is God. 3. God does not change. No where in the bible does it say anything about His nature never changing. God not changing refers to His character. Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. His character never changed. 4. The bible is not corrupted. God created the universe He has the power to preserve His word. Some people go astray and corrupt their own versions of it, but they have no choice but to start their own religions and cults. The bible from the beginning, passed down through the ages is not corrupted.
@@bloodbatteries4797 That verse 1 Epistle of John has been thrown out from all the bibles, except the KJV, because it was a corruption of the earlier text of the bible. So no trinity.
• 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885) • 1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17] • 1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958); Many many more which translate it accurately and logically. Someone being WITH another and he also being the person he is WITH is an illogical claim.
When you're talking to a _Paulian_ ... Q: Who is God? A: Jesus Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary? A: Yes, Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary) Q: Is Jesus a born son? A: Yes, Q: Who is his father? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife Q: Is Jesus the servant of God? A: Yes, Q: Did Jesus die on the cross? A: Yes, Q: And for whom did he go up? A: To God *God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus Q: Is Jesus a Messenger? A: Yes, Q: Who sent him? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive? A: yes, Q: Whom was he praying for? A: For God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus worships God Jesus himself Q: Does God have a beginning? A: No Q: So who was born on December 25th? A: Jesus Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec Q: Where is God? A: In heaven Q: How many Gods are there in heaven? A: God is only one. Q: Where is Jesus sitting? A: He is sitting on the right of God. Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven? A: Only one God Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting to the right of God. Q: So how many gods are there in heaven? A: Only one god. Still Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So who many seated gods are there? A: Only one God? Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting next to the god. Q: How many gods are in heaven? A: Only one. Q: Are they sitting on the same chair? A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit. *so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡🤡
@GodLogic Apologetics I am a EX JW and am now a born again Reformed Christian. I have been out of JWs for about 5 years now and Christian for going on 3 years. Great exegesis of John 1:1! I really appreciate the Greek lesson from The Black Doctor! Regarding your point about there being two God’s, the way they will explain this away is by saying well the title “god” can be used to explain authority or denote powers so therefore Jesus being called a god does not imply he is the same as the God. It might be nice for you to do a stream with The Black Doc on the Greek analysis of Colossians 2:9. It would make for some great follow up we can use when witnessing to JWs about Jesus true nature! Love what your doing brother! Praise be to God!
@@redman9174 Sorry, but the Black Dr makes mistake after mistake. Referring to Colwell's Rule 2b was one. No scholar accepts that rule in deciding the definitness of the anarthrous QEOS. He is some 50 years out of date. Other mistakes can be pointed out, such as his use of 1 John 4.8 where ἀγάπη, "love" is an abstract noun. The θεὸς of John 1.1c is not. So, you're being misled. Please heed the advice of Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17
@STROND ; Agreed ... However, I would offer that the more correct statement would be that since "the Word" (Christ) is WITH God," then he therefore can't be that same God. He may be some other as "a god" in the same way that all the angels as "sons of God" are called "gods" in heaven ("elohim" -- "gods", such as at Psa. 8:5; 97:7; 138:1) in scripture. But he can't be the God he is WITH ... So beyond grammatical considerations, the historically traditional Trinitarian rendering of Jn. 1:1c "and the Word was God" actually makes no **contextual sense**" either. As it leads to a nonsensical flat contradiction of Christ being the same God he's supposedly with at the same time.
@@H.T.2foreverYour mistake is you are conflating being with personhood. Trinitarians would agree that Jesus is not the Father. That’s what the phrase the Word was with God means. The Word was God, as the DR mentioned, is referring to His essence or being.
@@RRL13834 ; I disagree.... As John is making a distinction in terms of two different "theos" (or theoi). That is, two different G/gods alongside one another. There is no mention of "person(s)" in the passage at all, but is injected by Trinitarians and redefined according to their theology. Which is nowhere taught in scripture. ....
@@H.T.2foreverDidn't the Greek translation he read states that in the beginning was the word ,and the word was with God ,and the word was God? Are you say that's wrong or right? Help me understand if I can.
@@hereweare9096 the will of the father is the will of the son. He laid down his Life. Remember Jesus said I'll lay down my life and take it back. Remember what he said about "greater love" There's an agreement between the father and the son. That's why he said "I and my father are One" read the Bible very well as well and putting your focus on what relationship Jesus said he have with the father. The father is eternal, he is eternal the holy spirit is eternal. I read my Bible I believe and it's been manifested to me by God. It's actually beyond all religious arguments.
@joshuaoghenewaire8172 John 17:20 says, “that they may be all one, as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” (Darby Translation) Does that make all of Jesus’ disciples also God, since they are one with Jesus and his Father?
The very trinitarian NET bible admits the following in its footnote to John1:1 Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (theos) as definite (“God”) rather than indefinite (“a god”) here. However, Colwell’s Rule merely permits, but does not demand, that a predicate nominative ahead of an equative verb be translated as definite rather than indefinite. So from the above we find Trinitarian SCHOLARS admiting that ("a god") is a LEGITIMATE way of translating John 1:1 The NET bible continues Colwell’s Rule did not deal with a third possibility, that the anarthrous predicate noun may have more of a qualitative nuance when placed ahead of the verb. A definite meaning for the term is reflected in the traditional rendering “the word was God.” From a technical standpoint, though, it is preferable to see a qualitative aspect to anarthrous θεός in John 1:1c Translations like the NEB, REB, and Moffatt are helpful in capturing the sense in John 1:1c, that the Word was fully deity in essence (just as much God as God the Father). However, in contemporary English “the Word was divine” (Moffatt) does not quite catch the meaning since “divine” as a descriptive term is not used in contemporary English exclusively of God. The translation “what God was the Word was” is perhaps the most nuanced rendering, conveying that everything God was in essence, the Word was too. This points to unity of essence between the Father and the Son without equating the persons. So the NET bible Scholars agree with the Doctor in this video in that John 1:1 is DESCRIPTIVE of what the Word was (divine, essence,nature,kind ) To help understanding compare In the beginning was Eve, Eve was With THE HUMAN (Adam), and Eve was Human. In the beginning was Eve, Eve was With THE HUMAN (Adam), and Eve was a Human. Both these renderings describe what Eve was (qualitative), but it is clear Eve was not Adam "The human". John 1:1 shows the Word has Gods nature but is not "The God" Jehovahs witnesses position is misrepresented in this video because Colewells rule, Moffat and other renderings are discussed in their literature and they are fully aware of the other possible readings.
Where does the NET Bible say it could be translated as “a god” qualitative is the word was ‘deity’ not a god. What the Black Doctor explained was a qualitative, in the sense that the word is in essence God. ‘a god’ is indefinite, not definite or qualitative.
If anyone can be taken in by the dogma of the trinity there's no point in even talking to them. It is obvious that Jehovahs Witnesses have by far the most comprehensive and reasonable explanation of Bible truths
Have you compared the new world translation to The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures particularly Colossians 1:16-20? Notice any differences? Why is the word "other" added? Also why is the word [other] in brackets NWT 1984 edition and not in brackets in the NWT 2013 edition?
Sorry but the guy who is trying to undermine the New World translation is being a bit dishonest if he as he claims, understands the Koine Greek. It is true that when talking bout the God who Jesus is WITH does have the definite article (the word "THE") in front of "God" But when it refers to Jesus as "god" or Godlike it does NOT definite article in front of the word "god" Now in Koine Greek there is NO indefinite article, that is the word "A" however the context and the fact that John uses Theos in connection with Jesus and "Ho-theos" in connection with his father Jehovah shows that John was not identifying WHO the word was but rather WHAT the word was!
Spot on...People need to understand that in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days ! And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ? To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking) 1 God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods* he judges: And Vs 6 “I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " ! Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ? So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son? You cannot allow the restrictive use of the word "God" in today's modern English language to restrict the way the term was used in Bible times !
@@STROND Yes, that is why many top scholars who are real scholars without an agenda agree with the New World translation, for example. Various translations "the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed, E.J. An American Translation N.T. 1923). "the Logos was Divine" (Moffatt, J. The Bible 1950). "And what God was, the Word was" (New English Bible 1961). "the Word was Divine" (Schonfield, H.L. Authentic N.T. 1956). "The Word was with God and shared his nature" (Translator's N.T. 1973). "and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" (Barclay, W. N.T. 1968). In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? BECAUSE OF A TRINITARIAN BIAS ONLY!
@@STROND W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament. C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977 and the Word was a god." New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. "and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson "and the Word was divine." The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3
@@STROND and, Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was. Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks ...When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like." In English that is not good grammar and makes no sense.................Now in Koine Greek there is NO indefinite article, that is the word "A" however the context and the fact that John uses Theos in connection with Jesus and "Ho-theos" in connection with his father Jehovah shows that John was not identifying WHO the word was but rather WHAT the word was
JWs don't have an answer... 🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god) but why give half truth. CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON. Let's brake this down and draw out what they didn't. Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency...🤔 Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (arche) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God made them male and female. (arches) ἀρχῆς
Lets see what a real translator says on Jo 1:1 Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was. Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks. When the Greek uses a noun it almost always uses the definite article with it. The Greek for God is 'theos', and the definite article is 'ho'. When Greek speaks about God it does not simply say 'theos'; it says 'ho theos'. Now, when Greek does not use the definite article with a noun that noun becomes much more like an adjective; it describes the character, the quality of the person. John did not say that the Word was 'ho theos'; that would have been to say that the Word was identical with God; he says that the Word was 'theos'- without the definite article- which means that the Word was, as we might say, of the very same charactor and quality and essence and being as God. When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like." (Barclay, W. The Gospel of John, vol.1, The Dailey Study Bible Series, Saint Andrew Press, p. 39)
@@niobserver1073 NO, it was telling us in the Koine Greek who the word was NOT what the word was. In the beginning was the word (Jesus as the word or spokesman for God) and the word was WITH God, so does not make sense to say that the WORD was Gd if the writer had just identified him (Jesus ) as being WITH God.
When you're talking to a _Paulian_ ... Q: Who is God? A: Jesus Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary? A: Yes, Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary) Q: Is Jesus a born son? A: Yes, Q: Who is his father? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife Q: Is Jesus the servant of God? A: Yes, Q: Did Jesus die on the cross? A: Yes, Q: And for whom did he go up? A: To God *God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus Q: Is Jesus a Messenger? A: Yes, Q: Who sent him? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive? A: yes, Q: Whom was he praying for? A: For God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus worships God Jesus himself Q: Does God have a beginning? A: No Q: So who was born on December 25th? A: Jesus Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec Q: Where is God? A: In heaven Q: How many Gods are there in heaven? A: God is only one. Q: Where is Jesus sitting? A: He is sitting on the right of God. Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven? A: Only one God Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting to the right of God. Q: So how many gods are there in heaven? A: Only one god. Still Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So who many seated gods are there? A: Only one God? Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting next to the god. Q: How many gods are in heaven? A: Only one. Q: Are they sitting on the same chair? A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit. *so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡🤡
You are right about one thing, Jesus is of the same nature as God and that is exactly why “a” or “god” fits perfectly. The new world translation is NOT the only translation that uses “a” or “god” without the capital G. Many greek scholars agree with the JW. Just like you give examples of similar situations where the “a” is not used in the same grammatical context there are also examples where it is used because the context requires it (ex. John 8:44).Therefore the question which should be asked is, when to use it and when not to use it when the grammatical context allows it? The answer is that it has to harmonize with the context and the rest of the Bible. Now your explanation of Jesus being eternal (in other words that he always existed) is a personal interpretation. The easiest way to know if Jesus is THE God or not is to answer me this simple question: Who is YHWH? 1. All three? 2. The father? 3. Jesus? Or 4. The Holy Spirit? Whatever you answer, I will demolish the doctrine of the trinity.
Awesome keep up the good work ““You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.” Isaiah 43:10-11 NKJV
@Episcopalianacolyte Yes, there is one Lord. 1 Corinthians 8:6 tells us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are (the source of life/creator) and one Lord, Jesus, through whom all things are (who worked alongside God as a master worker. Proverbs 8:30). Romans 10:9. I agree, Jesus is Lord and God ( separate being from Jesus) raised him up from the dead. These scriptures agree that Jesusis not God.
@Episcopalianacolyte I’ve read all the scriptures you said I should read. Is there a question or point you want to get at? What is your point regarding the question about Isaiah 43:10? Yes, according to Hebrews 8:13, Jesus fulfilled the Law Covenant and established a new covenant with his disciples.
@@Episcopalianacolyte Where does the Bible say we can only have one lord? Lord is just a title, and yes, it is a position of authority, but Jesus can be our lord as he is the appointed King of God's Kingdom, and God (Jehovah) can also be our Lord as he is superior to Jesus.
@@Episcopalianacolyte When the Bible talks about having two masters, it is saying we can either follow the pursuits of this world or we can follow what God has laid out for us to do, but we cannot try to have one leg in one and one leg in the other. You are misapplying scriptures to make a point that doesn't exist in the Bible.
One thing is obvious from all these exercises. In order to make Jesus into God, John 1:1 comes to the rescue like the last straw. But it needs a little tweaking of the grammar. The very one who wrote John 1:1 wrote a little further. (John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the SON OF GOD. Obviously John never meant that Jesus himself was the very God he was WITH at a point in time. An illogical statement anyway. Jesus was a god. Which means a mighty being, an angel. After God exalted Jesus in position (Philippians 2:9), Jesus became and is now a 'mighty god' (Isaiah 9:6).
My friend, I have been a Jehovah’s Witness for over 33 years now well studied in the Hebrew and Greek…. And I’ve done many podcasts, defending our faith as Jehovah’s Witnesses….. And I have to respectfully say you guys are wrong in regards to John1:1… Dramatically in many ways… you guys in this video proceeded to point out, John1:1a… and say that this is referring to Genesis1:1… and you would be absolutely correct… the problem is Genesis is talking about the physical creation…. It’s not talking about eternity past…. And what’s interesting is is that the angels were also there when this took place how do we know Job 38:4-7… John1:1 nor Genesis1:1 is talking about eternity past… it tells us that the Angels were also present in these events. That’s the first floor and you guys argument….. What’s unknown to many Christians is according to the Bible there is at least two beginnings Genesis1:1 is speaking about the second beginning… and that’s why the angels were there…. And I have to point out that you guys misrepresented the Greek in John.1:1b… where are you said in the video that he was with God…. No my friends it says he was with.ton -Theon … THE GOD… definite…… and then you proceeded to say in this text we don’t just see one person we see two persons… ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT IN TERMS OF THE TRINITY. THIS IS WHAT I CALL THE SLEIGHT-OF-HAND…. that’s not what the text says it says that…Theos is with ton-Theon… Which means you have a God spoken of is being with another God…. The distinction here is not being made by personal terms like father or son…. that’s your belief system telling you to view the scripture this way… and that’s a false analogy fallacy… and then you guys proceeded to use Cardwell’s rule… that doesn’t apply here… and you went to other scriptures to show Cardwell’s rule… the reason why it doesn’t apply… is because John1:1… we have two gods here. …THEOS SPOKEN OF. As being with.ton-Theon.. in the example he gave there’s only one God being mentioned… once again false analogy fallacy…. and then you proceeded to say that Jesus has the same nature as God…. YOU WOULD BE CORRECT…. But notice what you just said…. Same nature as God…… THE ANGELS AND JESUS HAS THAT NATURE… John 4:24… it says God is spirit… Hebrews1:13,14… it says angels are spirit…1 Corinthians?15:45… it says Jesus is spirit…. That’s their nature….. so of course Jesus has the same nature as God because he is SPIRIT… And you’re absolutely incorrect by saying we is Jehovah’s Witnesses believe if the definite article is not there that means that we’re not talking about God the supreme being…. no that’s not what we believe at all so you’re incorrect… but in John1:1 it speaks of two gods, one spoken of is being with the other…. In this instance, it’s critical….ton-Theon… is spoken of as being with Theos …. IT MATTERS IN THIS TEXT…. actually the scripture proves us to be correct….. Because you have a God spoken of once again with another God… and you can’t transcribe this distinction with TERMS LIKE FATHER OR SON…. Because that language is not in the text….. you are incorrect my friend….
I would suggest actually studying with them and going through all the verses they use against the trinity and forming your own opinion. You cant take 1 verse and disprove the whole doctrine in few minutes. Im still on the side of the witneses even after listening to this.
They must let the Bible speak instead of there brain. God has no beginning so you can not even compare the verse, 'BEGIN' is the beginning of creations.
@@hereweare9096 i know that. what i meant is that you cannot equal Jehovah who's has no beginning, white someone who has a begin. There to many verses that shows that Jesus is just a son of God en that al things are made for him en true him.
In the beginning was the Word(Son). The Word was with God(Father). The Word was God(Son). The Same(Son) was in the beginning with God(Holy Spirit). 1 John 5:7(kjv) Genesis 1:1-2 Isaiah 48:16 Revelation 22:1 Thus why the angels of Heaven always speak Holy, Holy, Holy is the LORD God Almighty. Deut 6:4 the term one is echad(strongs H259) a plural form of one. As example the Holy Spirit is even called Lord when He is speaking in Isaiah 6:8-10 and Jeremiah 17:13. Then ofcourse when Peter calls the Holy Spirit God in Acts 5:3-4. This is the way I see it all at least. My interpretation 😊
JWs don't have an answer... 🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god) but why give half truth. CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON. Let's brake this down and draw out what they didn't. Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency...🤔 Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (arche) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God made them male and female. (arches) ἀρχῆς
When you're talking to a _Paulian_ ... Q: Who is God? A: Jesus Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary? A: Yes, Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary) Q: Is Jesus a born son? A: Yes, Q: Who is his father? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife Q: Is Jesus the servant of God? A: Yes, Q: Did Jesus die on the cross? A: Yes, Q: And for whom did he go up? A: To God *God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus Q: Is Jesus a Messenger? A: Yes, Q: Who sent him? A: God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive? A: yes, Q: Whom was he praying for? A: For God Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus worships God Jesus himself Q: Does God have a beginning? A: No Q: So who was born on December 25th? A: Jesus Q: Who is God? A: Jesus *God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec Q: Where is God? A: In heaven Q: How many Gods are there in heaven? A: God is only one. Q: Where is Jesus sitting? A: He is sitting on the right of God. Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven? A: Only one God Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting to the right of God. Q: So how many gods are there in heaven? A: Only one god. Still Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So who many seated gods are there? A: Only one God? Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting next to the god. Q: How many gods are in heaven? A: Only one. Q: Are they sitting on the same chair? A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit. *so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡🤡
@@watchman8644 is it mentioned in the Bible explicitly? No so unbiblical in that sense sure. But its implied and very strongly so. If you want to go off of that, there are many things you may believe that isn't directly mentioned in the Bible which would be unbiblical.
@@kevinfromcanada4379Proverbs 8 has long been understood to refer to Jesus Christ. Verse 30 says “I was by his side as a master worker.” Similarly at John 17:5 Jesus says he was at God’s side before the world was. So proverbs 8 is clearly talking about Jesus. With that in mind Proverbs 8:22 says “The LORD (YHWH) formed me (again, talking about Jesus) from the beginning, before he created anything else.” Similarly Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus “the FIRSTBORN of all creation” and likewise Revelation 3:14 calls Jesus “the beginning of the creation of God.” Jesus is also called the “begotten son”, the word begotten literally means to bring into existence, give rise to. With all the textual evidence given we cannot say Jesus always existed. It makes the most sense that he was the first being brought into existence by the uncaused God. Thus making him “firstborn”, “beginning of the creation” and “only begotten Son”. None of those titles make sense if Jesus always existed
@djmaydraws3862 in Proverbs 8:26-29, who does the creating? In Col 1:16, what reason does Paul give for calling Jesus Firstborn? Was it because he was first created or because he created all things? (Firstborn can be used chronologically and figuratively for preeminence.)
@@kevinfromcanada4379 in proverbs 8:26-29 the pronouns are second person. That means the creator is not who is using the first person pronoun “I” at verse 30 which is directly referenced as being the words of Jesus at John 17:5. Jesus is thus not credited as the creator in Proverbs chapter 8. He is however credited as the “master worker at Gods side” this explains Colossians 1:16, Jesus worked to help create all other things. Jehovah created Jesus directly, then used Jesus to create everything else. Hence the reason Jesus is called the “only begotten son” Only, meaning no other, begotten meaning brought into existence. He is the only Son created directly by Jehovah, all other things were created through Jesus. Also hence the reason why Jesus is called the “firstborn” which only ever applies to a being that had a beginning. Whether you view firstborn in a literal or figurative sense either sense is only true of a being who had a beginning. In both instances, there is an older being who grants you an inheritance. The Father alone is Almighty God and the Father alone is He who is uncaused
If you understand God to be one being with multiplicity of persons that are perfectly unified and always in communion and communication with each other, this becomes easy to understand. Jesus can talk to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and since He chose to humble himself and comes as one of us, then in that temporary role, He submits to the Will of the Father, since God is also God of all flesh. He is 😅n that period of time, deciding to live as a human.
It’s very simple. Prayer is communication with God. Therefore when Jesus was on earth he prayed/communicated with God the Father. The Father sent the Son down to show us how to live in order to be with him.This makes the most sense when you believe in the trinity
The guest speaker in the Video needs to understand that the Bible word for "God" is "El-ohim" and means "Mighty one" and so to quote what was already quoted here, Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days ! And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ? To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking) 1 God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods* he judges: And Vs 6 “I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " ! Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ? So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son? You cannot allow the restrictive use of the word "God" in today's modern English language to restrict the way the term was used in Bible times ! Jesus said, you will know the truth and the truth will set you FREE, I am so glad for honest people who show us the truth after hundreads of years of being misled by the corrupt mainstream churches. I guess people can now do their own research and can learn the truth for themselves.
Yes, so true. The new world translation also translates John 1:18 correct when it says about Jesus that he is "the only begotten GOD" and yet we find most translation remove the word God in this verse and replace it with "only begotten son" because the "Jesus is God lot" find it hard to stomach the fact that Jesus is the "only begotten God" the Greek being "mono-genes" meaning "first created" or first of a kind !
@@STRONDthat verse also says “no one has seen God at any time”, which is an obvious counterpoint to Jesus being Almighty God. Considering thousands of people saw him
@@JudeOne3Four I agree, we need to learn or at least have an understanding of Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. I was only correcting the spelling in case someone who doesn't know was reading this and couldn't figure out what "arameric" was. But thanks for shouting at me.
Jesus was WITH Jehovah and WAS Jehovah at the same time !! Oh yeah because that makes a lot of sense ! 🙄Jesus never spoke of being Jehovah ,he spoke of doing His will.
@@mariluvchrist4188 It's a phrase that has been used for both Jesus and Jehovah , Jehovah because He is literally without beginning or end , Jesus for a few reasons ,one he was the first and last to be directly raised from the dead by Jehovah and second Jesus fulfilled all that he set out to do.
Psalm 110:1- “Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Clearly Jesus and Jehovah are separate entities
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This is just a lot of words that prove nothing. It's obvious that the Word, Jesus, and God the one he was with are not the same God. For a start John used two different words to show how the two are different. The word, Jesus, is theos meaning God or a god; however, the one he was with is ton theon The God. This demonstrates how Jesus in his pre-human existence was a powerful supernatural spirit being. Equivalent words to theos in Hebrew and English are god and Elohim. Elohim means mighty ones and is also applied to angels for the obvious reason that like Jesus they too are mighty supernatural spirit beings of unimaginable power; however, they are not The God. That title alone goes to Almighty God Jehovah.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.” This is the testimony of the same person who wrote verse 1. People who read the Bible are expected to know who a SON is.
Because God is a spirit as he created us, we are spirits, having a soul and leaves in a body. That's why you see your spirit in a dream somewhere and that's the real you. Jesus said God sent me and His Spirit in Isaiah 48 v 16, meaning He had a physical body but the spirit operating through him was God because God is a spirit and God's spirit is present everywhere
Why do you need to know from the doctor? The word already tells you. Angel (messenger) of the Lord. Messenger of who? The Lord!!! A messenger delivers a message from the one who send him. It's that simple. Because of this false doctrine people struggle with the simplest things. Amazing
@@mariluvchrist4188Paul literally says “to us there is only one God, the Father.” (1 Corinthians 8:6) Also lookup what New Testament theology professor Bart Ehrman says about Paul’s theology. Dr. Ehrman and his contemporaries agree that Paul viewed Jesus as God’s highest and chief angel aka the Archangel. Similarly there’s Christian commentary and consensus leading all the way back to the second century AD that agrees with the notion that Jesus and God’s chief angel are one and the same. That’s what Paul believed. It was he who wrote “you received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 4:14)
JWs don’t have an answer…🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god ) but why give half truth . CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON . Let’s brake this down and draw out what they didn’t . Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency…🤔 Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (archē) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God ‘made them male and female. ἀρχῆς (archēs)
And if Jehovah God produced Jesus to create all other things, Genesis 1:1 Say's " In the beginning God created The heavens and the Earth? So God was either lieing in John 1 NWT, Or , Jesus is God in Genesis 1:1.
“Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,” Isaiah 44:24 NASB “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.” John 1:3 NASB1995 One of the ways we can know that Jesus is not a created being and is Yahweh is because Yahweh says in Isaiah 44:24 that He creates ALONE. Since in John 1:3 Jesus clearly takes part in creation then He must be Yahweh.
Created ? Like the angels? Like Satan?so Jesus is brother to Satan?So a creation is our Creator?wow,interesting never heard that before..on my bible Rev 1:8 jesus say i am the alpha Omega the Almighty.. doesn't that mean God.?
You misrepresent the JW translation committee. They translate “a god” as qualitative. Could be “godlike“ but really it says more them being like God. We are like God and yet we are not God himself. Jesus is a Mighty God, But he is not God Himself. John later calls him “the only-begotten god” “the Son of God” The only-begotten Son “ God himself is never said to be any of these, but His Son is
There’s a reason why the Father is identified as the most high God, the Bible says that there’s many gods, but the Father is the most high, and the only true God. Even Jesus referred to Him as the only true God, John 17:3!
So if Jesus was just a man ... why the virgin birth ... why is Jesus described as the UNIQUE Son ... and if every verse of John is supposed to be interpreted through the paradigm of understanding that the Word who became flesh WAS GOD HIMSELF in eternity ... why do you try to use John's gospel to deny the incarnation?
Agree! Trinitarians refuse to acknowledge that an Almighty by definition can only be one! One alone.. above ALL .. An Almighty of three coequal beings does NOT have an almighty.. they are all the same … so NO Almighty..
@garybowings1538 Because you need to do your own research to find the truth and not just accept what someone is telling you. These guys are far from experts, even though they try to act like they are. If you legitimately research the origin of the trinity, you’ll discover it is not Biblical and was developed hundreds of years after Jesus day, and didn’t even start out as a trinity, but just as certain people attempting to make Jesus God, through much controversy, because that idea opposed what everyone knew at the time and what the Bible says.
Hey Avery, my name is Brad from Canada. I just wanted to say I’ve been enjoyed watching your videos for the last few years. I watch a lot of debates basically, it’s the only thing I watch these days and out of all the people that do Christian apologetics I have to say you’re the number one you have the number one seat bro you’re the best out there
@@GodLogicApologetics Is Allah the true God? "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet." That is the declaration of faith in Islam. The truth or falsehood of this proposition determines whether Islam is the true religion or not. Therefore, the first question we face is: Is the God preached by Muhammad the true God? While there is a great deal of agreement regarding the basic concept of God in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, there are certain aspects or characteristics of the God preached by Muhammad that reasonably lead us to believe that he is not the true God. Firstly, as San Anselmo noted, God must be the "greatest conceivable being" (1), meaning it should not be possible to conceive of a being greater or more perfect than God. Now, love is a pure moral perfection, and therefore it must exist in God to the highest possible degree. However, this is not fulfilled in the Islamic concept of God for three reasons: Firstly, because the absolute uniqueness emphasized by Muslims regarding Allah prevents him from possessing the fullness of love within his own being. As philosopher Martin Buber illustrated in his work "I and Thou" (2), love has a "dialogical structure," meaning it cannot be fully present in a person enclosed within themselves; it must be communicated to another. But Allah, being a unipersonal god, can only be enclosed within himself. It could be argued that the "other" to whom Allah directs his love is humanity or creation, but this would destroy the very concept of God because it would make Allah a contingent being who necessarily requires something outside of himself to be ontologically complete. Therefore, the God of Islam cannot be the true God. And what about Christianity? Well, Christianity resolves this issue very well by postulating the concept of the Trinity, according to which three persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - subsist in the unique essence of God. In this framework, the ontological realization of love is complete because in the very essence of God, without needing to depend on another being (another essence), the divine persons communicate love to the highest degree: The Father exists by loving the Son, the Son exists by being loved and loving the Father, and that singular connection of love between the Father and the Son constitutes the Holy Spirit. Thus, in the Christian concept of God, unity in being and fullness in love are perfectly compatible, which is not the case with the Islamic god. Secondly, because Allah's love, far from being absolute, is partial and conditional. Allah only loves those who love him and bestows his favor upon those who have previously earned it. The wicked who do not love Allah are simply not loved by him. There are several passages in the Quran that confirm this judgment. Let us cite just a few: "To those who believe and do what is right, God will give love" (Surah 19:96), "God will argue on behalf of those who have believed. God does not love anyone who is a persistent traitor, ungrateful" (Surah 22:38), "He will reward with His grace those who have believed and done good deeds. He does not love the disbelievers" (Surah 30:45). In contrast, Christianity reveals to us a God whose love is universal and unconditional. He loves even those who do not love him and bestows his grace even upon those who do not deserve it. Let us cite some passages that confirm this judgment: "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matthew 5:45), "When we were still his enemies, God made peace with us through the death of his Son" (Romans 5:10), "God is so rich in mercy and he loved us so much that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead" (Ephesians 2:4-5). In fact, God's "foolish" love for sinners is precisely the "good news" that constitutes the Gospel, as can be seen by reviewing beautiful parables such as that of the prodigal son (cf. Luke 15:11-32) or the lost sheep (cf. Matthew 18:10-14), which would be inconceivable in Islam. Thirdly, because the "greatest conceivable being" cannot be surpassed in love, and Jesus Christ himself shows more love in his person, words, and deeds than the god revealed in the Quran. Indeed, Christ said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you... For if you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Even tax collectors do that" (Matthew 5:44, 46). As we have seen, Allah only loves those who love him; Christ, on the other hand, loved everyone. And not only public sinners such as Matthew the tax collector (cf. Matthew 9:9-13), the prostitute (cf. Luke 7:36-50), and the adulterous woman (cf. John 8:1-11), but even those who were crucifying him, whom he was able to understand, love, and forgive to the fullest extent amidst his pain: "Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing" (Luke 23:34). Jesus' boundless love sets "the bar so high" that it is not surpassed by Allah in any passage throughout the Quran. Therefore, Allah's love is not the greatest conceivable; it is Christ's love that even "surpasses all understanding" (Ephesians 3:19). In fact, Christ said that "no one has greater love than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends" (John 15:13), but he even went to the extreme of dying for his enemies - all of us sinners (cf. Romans 5:6). The god of the Quran has never shown a similar or comparable display of love. In the Christian conception, however, "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16). Therefore, it is the one revealed in Jesus Christ and not Allah who is the true God.
I like this guy "The Black Doctor" and his knowledge of Greek. He needs to come on the warrior channel to discuss things like this. I teach both Greek and Hebrew exegesis on my channel.
Knowledge of Hebrew and Greek makes people know the truth??? What happened to the nation of Israel? They spoke both Hebrew and Greek. Matthew 15:8 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”
@@jimjuri6490 Absolutely. It's better than blindly accepting an English mistranslation. in speaking about Israel, you confuse knowledge and obedience. If you don't understand the importance or need to study the original languages, I have a playlist on my channel just for people like you. It's called "The Dangers of Superficial Bible Study." If you don't get the point after watching that series, you may be beyond help. LOL.
@@CRoadwarrior: JWs are God's people in these last days. Read Micah 4:1-5. If anyone wants to learn the TRUTH contained in the Bible, logically, getting JWs help is vital. JWs all speak ONE LANGUAGE. Zephaniah 3:9 For then I will CHANGE the language of the peoples TO A PURE LANGUAGE, So that all of them may call on the name of Jehovah, To serve him shoulder to shoulder.’
@@jimjuri6490 Really? They why do they believe false things (like blood transfusion is not allowed by the Bible), and keep altering the "New World Translation" to fit their doctrine? That's one of the main problems with the JWs. They don't know the Biblical languages and are easily fooled by the Watchtower. Why do they have so many failed prophecies from the past? No, they are not God's people in these last days. They are pseudo-Christians who think they have the truth, but walk and live in utter darkness. I know. I've studied their doctrines for years because my father and parts of his side of the family were JWs, and he would give me their literature. I would then research behind the claims and see how they would take sources out of context and/or distort trinitarian scholars to make it seem as if they backed Watchtower doctrine. If you are not aware of these things, it just shows how deeply in the dark you are. I can only pray you see the light someday and come out of that cult.
@@jimjuri6490 Right. With all their fake mistranslations in the "New World Translation" in every place where Jesus is recognized as God. No, JWs are far from God's people. They are greatly deceived, and are deceiving people.
@@jamespboykin He makes mistake after mistake. Let me know if you wish me to show you how he did. In the meantime, heed the advices of Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17.
I have a question to all trinity believes. Is it easier for you to give your life to save someone/something you love or harder to see your child willing give their live for something you love?
Jesus is referred to as the Mighty God, whereas His Father is called the Almighty God. Scripture states, "the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is the Mighty God, appointed as King over heaven and earth, which is a clear aspect of their faith. While Jesus is indeed considered God's Son, He never claimed to be Almighty. However, it is important to note that, according to John 20:17, we are to worship His God. We pray through Jesus to reach His Father, and humans no longer need to sacrifice animals to communicate with God.
@mikewayne6608 The title "Mighty God" is applied to Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, a prophetic scripture often cited in reference to Him: Isaiah 9:6 *"For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; and the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."* This verse identifies Jesus as "Mighty God" in a prophetic context, highlighting his divine authority and role in God’s purpose.
@@mikewayne6608 John 1:1-3 presents the Word (later identified as Jesus) as pre-existent, divine, and actively involved in the creation of all things. It is important to note the repeated phrase “WITH God” in these verses. Jesus was with His Father, the Almighty God, who created the Word. He was present with the ALMIGHTY God during the creation process. Colossians 1:15-20 emphasizes Christ’s divine nature, His central role in creation, His authority over the congregation, and His work in reconciling all things TO GOD through His death and resurrection. These verses establish Christ’s preeminence in both creation and salvation. (Ask yourself who is this “TO GOD” is the scripture referring to, he didn’t direct it “TO HIMSELF” did he? Jesus never claimed to be the Almighty God. During His time on Earth, He consistently referred to Himself as God’s Son and made it clear that His purpose was to proclaim the name of Yahweh (Jehovah). For instance, John 14:28 states: "You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am." Here, Jesus acknowledges that the Father (Jehovah) is greater than Himself, highlighting a difference in status and position between Jesus and God. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 explains: "For ‘He subjected all things under his feet.’ But when it says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to him, so that God may be all things to everyone." This passage reinforces that Jesus is distinct from God, and it emphasizes that Jesus will ultimately submit Himself to God the Father. This distinction underscores that while Jesus is divine, He remains subordinate to God. John 20:17 states: "Jesus said to her: 'Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."'” Here, after His resurrection, Jesus refers to God as “my God,” demonstrating His subordinate relationship to God, despite being the Son of God. Matthew 27:46 says: "About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'" In this cry from the cross, Jesus calls out to God as “my God,” which further emphasizes His recognition of God as His Father and superior. 1 Corinthians 11:3 teaches: "But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; the head of a woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." This verse clearly establishes that God is the head of Christ, indicating that Jesus is subordinate to God in a hierarchical relationship. Revelation 3:12 says: "The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never go out of it. And I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name." Here, Jesus speaks of God as “my God,” again emphasizing His relationship to God as subordinate. These scriptures emphasize that Jesus has a God, and they underline the distinction between Jesus (the Son) and Jehovah (God the Father). Jesus, though divine, acknowledges His relationship to God as His Father and superior, highlighting His role as subordinate to God the Father.
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I am Greek, from Greece and I have to admit that this video is VERY informative and absolutely accurate. Excellent work.
Does this mean that a Greek speaker has an advantage over others in learning the TRUTH?
@@jimjuri6490 not necessarily. The message is the same between the original Greek text and a good translation. But for sure , being fluent in Greek for sure helps.
@@nikostheater : Here is an example of tampering with a translation.
John 1:18 CSB
No one has ever seen God. The one and only Son, who is himself God and is at the Father’s side-he has revealed him.
Try and find the words 'who is himself God' in the Greek.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Try and find the expression 'God was manifest in the flesh' in the Greek.
Greek nor Hebrew speakers have any advantage over others. If so, All Israelites and Greeks should be Jesus' disciples.
John 7:65 He went on to say: “This is why I have said to you, no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
That is how God is gathering JWs from all over the world. See the prophecy at Micah 4:1-5.
@@jimjuri6490 18Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακε πώποτε· ὁ μονογενὴς υἱὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.
It’s an explanation and not tampering. It clarifies the meaning.
Not all translations are literal word for word.
christians have never claimed that translations have to be word for word the same, only muslims claim that, christians believes in the message its conveying. If you can show me a translation that conveys a completely different message than the original text you'd have a point.
Your ridiculous standard doesnt even hold up for your own book..
Please never stop defending our religion, I was almost lead astray by a lot of misconceptions and people like you have guided and protected me. You are not just converting nonbelievers you are also helping those who are lost and have doubts.
Looking for excuses to avoid the truth will help whom is a question that should be asked?
Learn from Jesus. He never claimed to be God.
No video can make him into what he is not.
Jesus told the Jews:
(John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD.
What did Jesus claim to be? A man or God?
JWs have got it right.
@@jimjuri6490 i don't care about your cult. Im a trinitarian and have complete faith in jesus, your weak arguments and nitpicking of the bible doesn't bother me. Im glad with have people like him who expose you and defend us like athanasius did against arius.
@@jimjuri6490 Thought you were a Muslim, we believe Jesus was a Prophet, as he prayed to God in Matthew 26:39, How can God pray to God? This verse shows us Jesus’s Submission to a higher creator, like Jesus PBUH we should all be in submission to God, that is the definition of the word Muslim.
@@geneenharmouch5109 :Jesus definitely is always in subjection to his God and Father in heaven.
Even after Jesus restores paradise to the earth, he hands over the rule of this earth to his God Jehovah and continues in subjection.
1 Corinthians 15:24 Next, the end, when he HANDS OVER the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king UNTIL God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the SON HIMSELF WILL ALSO SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
@@jimjuri6490JESUS became a man because of assignment, but Jesus is the word of God, that is a part of God, then you saying Jesus never claimed to be God is wrong, Jesus ask us to honor and worship him the very way we worship the Father, JOHN 5:23 ,that is calling himself God
This makes me want to learn Greek even more.
You can learn good Greek in your spare time online for free within 2 months
RIGHT!!!!
JWs don't have an answer... 🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god) but why give half truth. CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON. Let's brake this down and draw out what they didn't.
Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency...🤔
Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (arche) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God made them male and female. (arches) ἀρχῆς
Yes learn Greek so you don’t get CON and learn the CONTEXT as well 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
@@DannyG-dr3qo acts 28:6 got nothing to do with John 1:1 ,those guys believed in many gods which is why they taught Paul was " a god" ,and in exudes Moses was made like God, not God .
This guy has the best smile in chritsian apologetics team. Shine for Christ bro. All people need Jesus more then anything or anyone.
Sorry, but he is misleading you. He makes mistake after mistake. See my comments. Also, please heed the advice at Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17
It is an excellent tease for Christians to learn a little bit of Greek; it pays off dividends, well done TheBlackDoctor and GodLogic.
The Dr makes mistake after mistake. See my comments. Also, please consider heeding the advice at Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17
Your whole team is amazing. Learned so much from just this! Bible from Olive Tree is an amazing resource, I started using it when I saw this video. Just the side by side bible thing is so convenient and lists references for you. I always knew TheBlackDoctor is knowledgeable but not to this extent. What an absolute mega-mind that we are blessed to have! All Glory to Jesus Christ!
I would like to ask how Jesus whom these claim to be Almighty God became better than the angels? Hebrews 1:4.
This was great! Learning so much from you and TheBlackDoctor!
@inkyfingers3447
Why does it have to be “the black doctor”? Why not just Doctor so and so (insert last name)? Why is it “She’s a strong, black woman.” or “I’m a proud black man.”?
Does the Bible not say we are all equal in God’s eyes? So, why is someone who professes to be a Bible scholar and supposed to be teaching people Christian values out here playing with the world’s race politics?
If there is to be true equality, everyone needs to stop identifying themselves by their skin color and claiming their separate cultures.
When you're talking to a _Paulian_ ...
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary)
Q: Is Jesus a born son?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is his father?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife
Q: Is Jesus the servant of God?
A: Yes,
Q: Did Jesus die on the cross?
A: Yes,
Q: And for whom did he go up?
A: To God
*God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus
Q: Is Jesus a Messenger?
A: Yes,
Q: Who sent him?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself
Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive?
A: yes,
Q: Whom was he praying for?
A: For God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus worships God Jesus himself
Q: Does God have a beginning?
A: No
Q: So who was born on December 25th?
A: Jesus
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec
Q: Where is God?
A: In heaven
Q: How many Gods are there in heaven?
A: God is only one.
Q: Where is Jesus sitting?
A: He is sitting on the right of God.
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one God
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting to the right of God.
Q: So how many gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one god. Still
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So who many seated gods are there?
A: Only one God?
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting next to the god.
Q: How many gods are in heaven?
A: Only one.
Q: Are they sitting on the same chair?
A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit.
*so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡🤡
Every thing that guy says is a lie
I’m an ex jw, I was raised as a jw, now I’m a Christian, I am happy I found Jesus I had to leave that religion for many reasons, although I’m happy I got out of that religion, I’m kind of sad because I don’t want my family to be brainwashed by this cult. Jesus Christ is king and my lord and savior, god bless us all
This breakdown is awesome. Thank you brothers. Bless 🙏🏽
Sorry, but it is certainly not "awesome". He makes mistake after mistake. See my comments. Please heed the advice at Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17.
Every day we/i am praying for your seafty,secquarity and provition to get power of Jesus' Holy Spirit to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
My friends I’ve been a Jehovah’s Witness for 33 years heavily studied in the Greek and Hebrew… I would love to have a conversation with you guys. I’m gonna keep this short and point to a fact that disrupts what you are talking about in the first class you guys are pointing out that Jesus has an eternal pass because of John 1:1 Because you say this is pointing back to Genesis one… ultimately your point is is that Jesus is before creation which makes him eternal.. you would be terribly incorrect…. And because I’m responding to your video, I’m not gonna say much more but if you’re interested and someone who has a knowledge in Greek and Hebrew reach out, would love to have the conversation.
I'm a Greek student and feel blessed to be here today. You know, you use the same Bible software as me, The Olive Tree. As the Apostle Paul would say, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. It's such a powerful tool. One cannot be a strong apologist or defend their faith without understanding the Greek and Hebrew Bible. I pray that I become fluent in Greek within a year, like 'The Black Doctor'.
How does knowing a language give someone an advantage over others?
1 Timothy 2:3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE SAVED and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN God and men, A MAN, Christ Jesus,
Perhaps you need to read my two recent comments on the Dr's mistakes and flawed knowledge of the Greek of the NT.
LOVE THE SETUP AVERY GOD BLESS
Outstanding!
Sorry, it was not outstanding but highly misleading. The Dr makes mistake after mistake. See my comments. Also, consider heeding the advice of Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17
I cool as this is, nothing is more time valueble as when I read my Holy Bible. God
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty;
He judgeth among the gods
Praise God for the excellent teaching.
man... that "is Jesus muslim?" debate was the most funny "debate" ive ever seen. i laughed like an idiot, almost every time these Muslims spoke i had to pause the thing and rest. Thanks for doing it. youre a cool dude
Jesus Crist is Lord and His Coming Soon🙏
Thanks for sharing. Y'all are very educational!
“Emotional damage”! I love that guy!!! Thanks for the blessings of your channel
How about he explain how the one he claims was Almighty God became better than the Angels.
(Hebrews 1:4) So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.
The setup upgrade looks great.
God bless you both…. AMEN
Προς means face to face! Excellent >Docktor!
The doctor really went to work! Bravo
wow im taking notes right now!!! Thanks yall
You would do well to take note of my two recent comments on this video, as the Dr makes some mistakes only a neophyte in Greek would make, is out of date with his 'knowledge' as well as misrepresenting the grammatical basis for the NWT indefinite rendering. It, the video, and the 'Dr' could not be much worse than it and he is in this subject!
Great job with the Greek, when I took Greek 40 years ago I was told that the answer was the Grandville Sharp rule. Again, great job.
JWs don't have an answer... 🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god) but why give half truth. CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON. Let's brake this down and draw out what they didn't.
Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency...🤔
Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (arche) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God made them male and female. (arches) ἀρχῆς
Next time JWs coming knocking at your door talk with them .
@@DannyG-dr3qo you are 100% false, learn Greek in order to debate on such issues
@@Labamba232how so? Would not anyone who understands the Greek be able to correct him then? I don't see any.
Even if you wanted to say the Word was "a God", would that not just reaffirm the Trinity, since we know the father, Jesus, and the holy Spirit are all God? So saying Jesus is a God, to mean a part of the Trinity, makes sense
@jndvs95
Actually, no where in the Bible does it say Jesus is God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Father, Jesus and the holy spirit are all God. You can believe that, but it is not Bible based, so to say “we know… are all God.”
Deuteronomy 4:35, Exodus 3:15 and Isaiah 42:8 all show Jehovah is the only true God as well as many other scriptures.
Jesus told us at John 4:23 that true worshippers would worship the Father in spirit and truth. Yes, Jesus’ father, Jehovah God, is the only true God.
Revelation 3:14 tells us Jesus was the beginning of creation by God. He is a created being.
At John 20:17 Jesus tells us he has a God, his Father. God does not have a God. Jesus is not God.
There are many other scriptures that show who Jesus is. He’s our mediator, redeemer, ransomer, and has been placed by God in a superior position above the angels and all other beings, but he is still subject to his father, Jehovah God.
@@watchman8644 Exodus 6:3-4 KJV
[3] and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. [4] And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.
John 8:57-59 KJV
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. [59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
why were they trying to stone him if he was not claiming to be the "I AM" - translated Jehovah?
Matthew 22:43-45 KJV
[43] He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, [44] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool? [45] If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Exodus 3:2 KJV
[2] And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
[4] And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
[6] Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
is it the Angel of the LORD who is in the bush, or God? Or both, because Jesus is God?
from Canada thanks for this informative video.
Bless you brother 🙏🏽
@godlogicapologetics Please put the interviewee's channel link into the description below the video. Thanks!
leviticus 26.12 I will walk among you and be your God and you will be my people
Love this breakdown Doctor! Keep contending for the faith Gents!
The Dr makes mistake after mistake. Check out my comments on this video. Also, heed the advice given at Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17.
This is awesome!
No. It was poor. The Dr has a superficial knowledge of the Greek of the NT. Please see my recent two comments here that show this.
@@edwardbarnard5830 No offense man, but I’m not looking at your comment. I’m secure in the fact the Jesus is God. Be blessed.
@@bubba90 That's fine. Just thought I'd alert you to my analysis of the Dr's arguments, which were sorely wanting. By reading them will not mean you have to abandon any beliefs about whether Jesus(as the Word) is "God.". Just that John did not say that at John 1.1. Still, take care my fellow human.
These are some of the questions from John 1:1 that Godlogic failed to address:
1. How can god have a beginning?
2. When the word was with god, does that imply that there were only 2 gods at the beginning? Where was the 3rd god?
3. The word become flesh. The bible says god does not change his nature. But now the word has turned into flesh. So how this is not a contradiction.
4. GodLogic admitted that there is corruption in the biblical text. So how could he based his discussion and faith on a corrupted book.
GodLogic, please answer.
1. God doesn't have a beginning. He is the beginning. As Jesus said, " Before Abraham was, I AM"
2. There is only 1 God. He Is in 3 persons. There were never 2 gods. God was with God. The Son (The Word) was with the Father and is one with Him in nature. He is God.
3. God does not change. No where in the bible does it say anything about His nature never changing. God not changing refers to His character. Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. His character never changed.
4. The bible is not corrupted. God created the universe He has the power to preserve His word. Some people go astray and corrupt their own versions of it, but they have no choice but to start their own religions and cults. The bible from the beginning, passed down through the ages is not corrupted.
For there are three that bear record in heaven the Farther, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and the three are one 1john 5:7
@@bloodbatteries4797 That verse 1 Epistle of John has been thrown out from all the bibles, except the KJV, because it was a corruption of the earlier text of the bible. So no trinity.
@@dangdutirama1679actually it’s in every translation it’s just worded differently
@@Itsdasummer32 Sorry, what has been worded differently?
Wow am learning a lot
Black doctor thank you I've been trying to figure out how to explain this to jehovahs witness. I understand this better now.
• 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885)
• 1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17]
• 1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);
Many many more which translate it accurately and logically.
Someone being WITH another and he also being the person he is WITH is an illogical claim.
When you're talking to a _Paulian_ ...
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary)
Q: Is Jesus a born son?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is his father?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife
Q: Is Jesus the servant of God?
A: Yes,
Q: Did Jesus die on the cross?
A: Yes,
Q: And for whom did he go up?
A: To God
*God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus
Q: Is Jesus a Messenger?
A: Yes,
Q: Who sent him?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself
Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive?
A: yes,
Q: Whom was he praying for?
A: For God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus worships God Jesus himself
Q: Does God have a beginning?
A: No
Q: So who was born on December 25th?
A: Jesus
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec
Q: Where is God?
A: In heaven
Q: How many Gods are there in heaven?
A: God is only one.
Q: Where is Jesus sitting?
A: He is sitting on the right of God.
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one God
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting to the right of God.
Q: So how many gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one god. Still
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So who many seated gods are there?
A: Only one God?
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting next to the god.
Q: How many gods are in heaven?
A: Only one.
Q: Are they sitting on the same chair?
A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit.
*so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡🤡
@GodLogic Apologetics I am a EX JW and am now a born again Reformed Christian. I have been out of JWs for about 5 years now and Christian for going on 3 years.
Great exegesis of John 1:1! I really appreciate the Greek lesson from The Black Doctor!
Regarding your point about there being two God’s, the way they will explain this away is by saying well the title “god” can be used to explain authority or denote powers so therefore Jesus being called a god does not imply he is the same as the God.
It might be nice for you to do a stream with The Black Doc on the Greek analysis of Colossians 2:9. It would make for some great follow up we can use when witnessing to JWs about Jesus true nature!
Love what your doing brother! Praise be to God!
love this! Thank You!
You smashed it on modern day debate well done brother 🙏
Who did he debate on modern day debates? Haven't seen that one
@@redman9174 Sorry, but the Black Dr makes mistake after mistake. Referring to Colwell's Rule 2b was one. No scholar accepts that rule in deciding the definitness of the anarthrous QEOS. He is some 50 years out of date. Other mistakes can be pointed out, such as his use of 1 John 4.8 where ἀγάπη, "love" is an abstract noun. The θεὸς of John 1.1c is not. So, you're being misled. Please heed the advice of Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17
Love videos like this. Appreciate you black doctor 🎉
Intelligent brothas in Christ. You love to see it!
In the beginning there was a word and the word was with God,... period 🙏
Correct, Jesus as the word was WITH God. If you are with someone you are NOT the person you are with, that makes no grammatical sense.
@STROND ;
Agreed ...
However, I would offer that the more correct statement would be that since "the Word" (Christ) is WITH God," then he therefore can't be that same God.
He may be some other as "a god" in the same way that all the angels as "sons of God" are called "gods" in heaven ("elohim" -- "gods", such as at Psa. 8:5; 97:7; 138:1) in scripture.
But he can't be the God he is WITH ...
So beyond grammatical considerations, the historically traditional Trinitarian rendering of Jn. 1:1c "and the Word was God" actually makes no **contextual sense**" either. As it leads to a nonsensical flat contradiction of Christ being the same God he's supposedly with at the same time.
@@H.T.2foreverYour mistake is you are conflating being with personhood. Trinitarians would agree that Jesus is not the Father. That’s what the phrase the Word was with God means. The Word was God, as the DR mentioned, is referring to His essence or being.
@@RRL13834 ;
I disagree....
As John is making a distinction in terms of two different "theos" (or theoi). That is, two different G/gods alongside one another.
There is no mention of "person(s)" in the passage at all, but is injected by Trinitarians and redefined according to their theology.
Which is nowhere taught in scripture. ....
@@H.T.2foreverDidn't the Greek translation he read states that in the beginning was the word ,and the word was with God ,and the word was God? Are you say that's wrong or right? Help me understand if I can.
Time is running out. The button line is we are living in the last part of the last days!!! Get yourself together with jehovah.
Excellent guest appearance! Thank you! Jesus is God all the Way
God's son !
@@Kyroblox
If you see me , you've seen my father 🥰
@@Exemptional_contentsYeah… if people see me, they see my dad as well. I represent my family.
Remember Jesus said he was sent to do Gods will!
@@hereweare9096 the will of the father is the will of the son.
He laid down his Life. Remember Jesus said I'll lay down my life and take it back. Remember what he said about "greater love"
There's an agreement between the father and the son. That's why he said
"I and my father are One" read the Bible very well as well and putting your focus on what relationship Jesus said he have with the father.
The father is eternal, he is eternal the holy spirit is eternal.
I read my Bible I believe and it's been manifested to me by God. It's actually beyond all religious arguments.
@joshuaoghenewaire8172
John 17:20 says, “that they may be all one, as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” (Darby Translation)
Does that make all of Jesus’ disciples also God, since they are one with Jesus and his Father?
Thanks, brothers
The very trinitarian NET bible admits the following in its footnote to John1:1
Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (theos) as definite (“God”) rather than indefinite (“a god”) here. However, Colwell’s Rule merely permits, but does not demand, that a predicate nominative ahead of an equative verb be translated as definite rather than indefinite.
So from the above we find Trinitarian SCHOLARS admiting that ("a god") is a LEGITIMATE way of translating John 1:1
The NET bible continues
Colwell’s Rule did not deal with a third possibility, that the anarthrous predicate noun may have more of a qualitative nuance when placed ahead of the verb. A definite meaning for the term is reflected in the traditional rendering “the word was God.” From a technical standpoint, though, it is preferable to see a qualitative aspect to anarthrous θεός in John 1:1c
Translations like the NEB, REB, and Moffatt are helpful in capturing the sense in John 1:1c, that the Word was fully deity in essence (just as much God as God the Father). However, in contemporary English “the Word was divine” (Moffatt) does not quite catch the meaning since “divine” as a descriptive term is not used in contemporary English exclusively of God. The translation “what God was the Word was” is perhaps the most nuanced rendering, conveying that everything God was in essence, the Word was too. This points to unity of essence between the Father and the Son without equating the persons.
So the NET bible Scholars agree with the Doctor in this video in that John 1:1 is DESCRIPTIVE of what the Word was (divine, essence,nature,kind )
To help understanding compare
In the beginning was Eve, Eve was With THE HUMAN (Adam), and Eve was Human.
In the beginning was Eve, Eve was With THE HUMAN (Adam), and Eve was a Human.
Both these renderings describe what Eve was (qualitative), but it is clear Eve was not Adam "The human". John 1:1 shows the Word has Gods nature but is not "The God"
Jehovahs witnesses position is misrepresented in this video because Colewells rule, Moffat and other renderings are discussed in their literature and they are fully aware of the other possible readings.
Where does the NET Bible say it could be translated as “a god” qualitative is the word was ‘deity’ not a god. What the Black Doctor explained was a qualitative, in the sense that the word is in essence God. ‘a god’ is indefinite, not definite or qualitative.
If anyone can be taken in by the dogma of the trinity there's no point in even talking to them. It is obvious that Jehovahs Witnesses have by far the most comprehensive and reasonable explanation of Bible truths
Have you compared the new world translation to The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures particularly Colossians 1:16-20? Notice any differences? Why is the word "other" added? Also why is the word [other] in brackets NWT 1984 edition and not in brackets in the NWT 2013 edition?
Sorry but the guy who is trying to undermine the New World translation is being a bit dishonest if he as he claims, understands the Koine Greek. It is true that when talking bout the God who Jesus is WITH does have the definite article (the word "THE") in front of "God" But when it refers to Jesus as "god" or Godlike it does NOT definite article in front of the word "god" Now in Koine Greek there is NO indefinite article, that is the word "A" however the context and the fact that John uses Theos in connection with Jesus and "Ho-theos" in connection with his father Jehovah shows that John was not identifying WHO the word was but rather WHAT the word was!
Spot on...People need to understand that in the Bible the word for God is "Elohim" and means "Mighty ones" Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days !
And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ?
To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking)
1 God takes his place in the divine assembly;
In the middle of the gods* he judges:
And Vs 6
“I have said, ‘You are gods,
All of you are sons of the Most High.
Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " !
Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ?
So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son?
You cannot allow the restrictive use of the word "God" in today's modern English language to restrict the way the term was used in Bible times !
@@STROND Yes, that is why many top scholars who are real scholars without an agenda agree with the New World translation, for example.
Various translations
"the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed, E.J. An American Translation N.T. 1923).
"the Logos was Divine" (Moffatt, J. The Bible 1950).
"And what God was, the Word was" (New English Bible 1961).
"the Word was Divine" (Schonfield, H.L. Authentic N.T. 1956).
"The Word was with God and shared his nature" (Translator's N.T. 1973).
"and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God" (Barclay, W. N.T. 1968).
In addition to their comments below, W. E. Vine, Prof. C. H. Dodd (Director of the New English Bible project), and Murray J. Harris admit that this ("the Word was a god") is the literal translation, but, being trinitarians, they insist that it be interpreted and translated as "and the Word was God." Why? BECAUSE OF A TRINITARIAN BIAS ONLY!
@@STROND W. E. Vine - "a god was the Word" - p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of the New Testament.
C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977
and the Word was a god." New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.
"and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson
"and the Word was divine." The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed
Even Origen, the most knowledgeable of the early Christian Greek-speaking scholars, tells us that John 1:1c actually means "the Word [logos] was a god". - "Origen's Commentary on John," Book I, ch. 42 - Bk II, ch.3
@@STROND and, Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was.
Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks ...When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like."
In English that is not good grammar and makes no sense.................Now in Koine Greek there is NO indefinite article, that is the word "A" however the context and the fact that John uses Theos in connection with Jesus and "Ho-theos" in connection with his father Jehovah shows that John was not identifying WHO the word was but rather WHAT the word was
Awesome guest appearance. TheBlackDoctor on the operating table 👏👏 God bless
JWs don't have an answer... 🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god) but why give half truth. CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON. Let's brake this down and draw out what they didn't.
Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency...🤔
Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (arche) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God made them male and female. (arches) ἀρχῆς
Lets see what a real translator says on Jo 1:1
Well known commentator William Barclay writes explains it all in one paragraph. John did not identify the Word here but was indicating what the Word was.
Finally John says that "The Word was God". There is no doubt that this is a difficult saying for us to understand, and it is difficult because Greek, in which John wrote, had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks. When the Greek uses a noun it almost always uses the definite article with it. The Greek for God is 'theos', and the definite article is 'ho'. When Greek speaks about God it does not simply say 'theos'; it says 'ho theos'. Now, when Greek does not use the definite article with a noun that noun becomes much more like an adjective; it describes the character, the quality of the person. John did not say that the Word was 'ho theos'; that would have been to say that the Word was identical with God; he says that the Word was 'theos'- without the definite article- which means that the Word was, as we might say, of the very same charactor and quality and essence and being as God.
When John said 'The Word was God' he was not saying that Jesus is identical with God, he was saying that Jesus is so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, in being that in Jesus we perfectly see what God is like." (Barclay, W. The Gospel of John, vol.1, The Dailey Study Bible Series, Saint Andrew Press, p. 39)
You are adding to it.
Its more simple than that.
God was the Word.
John was offering to his readers the identity of the Word.
@@niobserver1073 NO, it was telling us in the Koine Greek who the word was NOT what the word was. In the beginning was the word (Jesus as the word or spokesman for God) and the word was WITH God, so does not make sense to say that the WORD was Gd if the writer had just identified him (Jesus ) as being WITH God.
When you're talking to a _Paulian_ ...
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary)
Q: Is Jesus a born son?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is his father?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife
Q: Is Jesus the servant of God?
A: Yes,
Q: Did Jesus die on the cross?
A: Yes,
Q: And for whom did he go up?
A: To God
*God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus
Q: Is Jesus a Messenger?
A: Yes,
Q: Who sent him?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself
Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive?
A: yes,
Q: Whom was he praying for?
A: For God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus worships God Jesus himself
Q: Does God have a beginning?
A: No
Q: So who was born on December 25th?
A: Jesus
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec
Q: Where is God?
A: In heaven
Q: How many Gods are there in heaven?
A: God is only one.
Q: Where is Jesus sitting?
A: He is sitting on the right of God.
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one God
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting to the right of God.
Q: So how many gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one god. Still
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So who many seated gods are there?
A: Only one God?
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting next to the god.
Q: How many gods are in heaven?
A: Only one.
Q: Are they sitting on the same chair?
A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit.
*so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡🤡
@@Durray13
The bible answers all these questions.
What you dont realize is that the Quran has been lying to you and thats why you are struggling.
@@STROND
Nonsense.
You are imposing your lack of understanding on the scriptures.
You are right about one thing, Jesus is of the same nature as God and that is exactly why “a” or “god” fits perfectly. The new world translation is NOT the only translation that uses “a” or “god” without the capital G. Many greek scholars agree with the JW. Just like you give examples of similar situations where the “a” is not used in the same grammatical context there are also examples where it is used because the context requires it (ex. John 8:44).Therefore the question which should be asked is, when to use it and when not to use it when the grammatical context allows it? The answer is that it has to harmonize with the context and the rest of the Bible. Now your explanation of Jesus being eternal (in other words that he always existed) is a personal interpretation. The easiest way to know if Jesus is THE God or not is to answer me this simple question: Who is YHWH? 1. All three? 2. The father? 3. Jesus? Or 4. The Holy Spirit? Whatever you answer, I will demolish the doctrine of the trinity.
Awesome keep up the good work
““You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.”
Isaiah 43:10-11 NKJV
@joejimenez8068
Read that same scripture in the American Standard Version, or the Divine Name KJV or the Darby Translation. Isaiah 43:10
@Episcopalianacolyte
Yes, there is one Lord. 1 Corinthians 8:6 tells us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are (the source of life/creator) and one Lord, Jesus, through whom all things are (who worked alongside God as a master worker. Proverbs 8:30).
Romans 10:9. I agree, Jesus is Lord and God ( separate being from Jesus) raised him up from the dead.
These scriptures agree that Jesusis not God.
@Episcopalianacolyte
I’ve read all the scriptures you said I should read. Is there a question or point you want to get at?
What is your point regarding the question about Isaiah 43:10?
Yes, according to Hebrews 8:13, Jesus fulfilled the Law Covenant and established a new covenant with his disciples.
@@Episcopalianacolyte
Where does the Bible say we can only have one lord? Lord is just a title, and yes, it is a position of authority, but Jesus can be our lord as he is the appointed King of God's Kingdom, and God (Jehovah) can also be our Lord as he is superior to Jesus.
@@Episcopalianacolyte When the Bible talks about having two masters, it is saying we can either follow the pursuits of this world or we can follow what God has laid out for us to do, but we cannot try to have one leg in one and one leg in the other. You are misapplying scriptures to make a point that doesn't exist in the Bible.
What program is he using. Thats amazing
One thing is obvious from all these exercises. In order to make Jesus into God, John 1:1 comes to the rescue like the last straw. But it needs a little tweaking of the grammar.
The very one who wrote John 1:1 wrote a little further.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the SON OF GOD.
Obviously John never meant that Jesus himself was the very God he was WITH at a point in time. An illogical statement anyway.
Jesus was a god. Which means a mighty being, an angel. After God exalted Jesus in position (Philippians 2:9), Jesus became and is now a 'mighty god' (Isaiah 9:6).
My friend, I have been a Jehovah’s Witness for over 33 years now well studied in the Hebrew and Greek…. And I’ve done many podcasts, defending our faith as Jehovah’s Witnesses….. And I have to respectfully say you guys are wrong in regards to John1:1… Dramatically in many ways… you guys in this video proceeded to point out, John1:1a… and say that this is referring to Genesis1:1… and you would be absolutely correct… the problem is Genesis is talking about the physical creation…. It’s not talking about eternity past…. And what’s interesting is is that the angels were also there when this took place how do we know Job 38:4-7… John1:1 nor Genesis1:1 is talking about eternity past… it tells us that the Angels were also present in these events. That’s the first floor and you guys argument….. What’s unknown to many Christians is according to the Bible there is at least two beginnings Genesis1:1 is speaking about the second beginning… and that’s why the angels were there…. And I have to point out that you guys misrepresented the Greek in John.1:1b… where are you said in the video that he was with God…. No my friends it says he was with.ton -Theon … THE GOD… definite…… and then you proceeded to say in this text we don’t just see one person we see two persons… ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT IN TERMS OF THE TRINITY. THIS IS WHAT I CALL THE SLEIGHT-OF-HAND…. that’s not what the text says it says that…Theos is with ton-Theon… Which means you have a God spoken of is being with another God…. The distinction here is not being made by personal terms like father or son…. that’s your belief system telling you to view the scripture this way… and that’s a false analogy fallacy… and then you guys proceeded to use Cardwell’s rule… that doesn’t apply here… and you went to other scriptures to show Cardwell’s rule… the reason why it doesn’t apply… is because John1:1… we have two gods here. …THEOS SPOKEN OF. As being with.ton-Theon.. in the example he gave there’s only one God being mentioned… once again false analogy fallacy…. and then you proceeded to say that Jesus has the same nature as God…. YOU WOULD BE CORRECT…. But notice what you just said…. Same nature as God…… THE ANGELS AND JESUS HAS THAT NATURE… John 4:24… it says God is spirit… Hebrews1:13,14… it says angels are spirit…1 Corinthians?15:45… it says Jesus is spirit…. That’s their nature….. so of course Jesus has the same nature as God because he is SPIRIT… And you’re absolutely incorrect by saying we is Jehovah’s Witnesses believe if the definite article is not there that means that we’re not talking about God the supreme being…. no that’s not what we believe at all so you’re incorrect… but in John1:1 it speaks of two gods, one spoken of is being with the other…. In this instance, it’s critical….ton-Theon… is spoken of as being with Theos …. IT MATTERS IN THIS TEXT…. actually the scripture proves us to be correct….. Because you have a God spoken of once again with another God… and you can’t transcribe this distinction with TERMS LIKE FATHER OR SON…. Because that language is not in the text….. you are incorrect my friend….
Brother Godlogic. Thank you for your knowledge & ministry. Your awsome bro. GB
My homie the Black Doctor! Watch out!
I would suggest actually studying with them and going through all the verses they use against the trinity and forming your own opinion. You cant take 1 verse and disprove the whole doctrine in few minutes. Im still on the side of the witneses even after listening to this.
Also, John 1: 1 mentions only 2 not 3, no mention of the holy spirit here, which in mind disproves the trinity
They must let the Bible speak instead of there brain. God has no beginning so you can not even compare the verse, 'BEGIN' is the beginning of creations.
@@MrRailtjeYes you can.
At some point in time - Jehovah who has always existed - Created Jesus…the Firstborn OF CREATION.
@@hereweare9096 i know that. what i meant is that you cannot equal Jehovah who's has no beginning, white someone who has a begin. There to many verses that shows that Jesus is just a son of God en that al things are made for him en true him.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
In the beginning was the Word(Son). The Word was with God(Father). The Word was God(Son). The Same(Son) was in the beginning with God(Holy Spirit).
1 John 5:7(kjv)
Genesis 1:1-2
Isaiah 48:16
Revelation 22:1
Thus why the angels of Heaven always speak Holy, Holy, Holy is the LORD God Almighty. Deut 6:4 the term one is echad(strongs H259) a plural form of one.
As example the Holy Spirit is even called Lord when He is speaking in Isaiah 6:8-10 and Jeremiah 17:13. Then ofcourse when Peter calls the Holy Spirit God in Acts 5:3-4.
This is the way I see it all at least. My interpretation 😊
God bless y'all and this ministry, good work guys💪🏽
JWs don't have an answer... 🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god) but why give half truth. CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON. Let's brake this down and draw out what they didn't.
Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency...🤔
Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (arche) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God made them male and female. (arches) ἀρχῆς
When you're talking to a _Paulian_ ...
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was born from the mother he created (Mary)
Q: Is Jesus a born son?
A: Yes,
Q: Who is his father?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is the father of God Jesus and the creator of the mother he was born from her the son of his wife
Q: Is Jesus the servant of God?
A: Yes,
Q: Did Jesus die on the cross?
A: Yes,
Q: And for whom did he go up?
A: To God
*God Jesus was crucified & ascended to God Jesus
Q: Is Jesus a Messenger?
A: Yes,
Q: Who sent him?
A: God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus was the messenger of God Jesus. God sends himself as a Messenger of himself
Q: Did Jesus pray when he was alive?
A: yes,
Q: Whom was he praying for?
A: For God
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus worships God Jesus himself
Q: Does God have a beginning?
A: No
Q: So who was born on December 25th?
A: Jesus
Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus
*God Jesus is eternal before everything but he was born in 25th Dec
Q: Where is God?
A: In heaven
Q: How many Gods are there in heaven?
A: God is only one.
Q: Where is Jesus sitting?
A: He is sitting on the right of God.
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So how many Gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one God
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting to the right of God.
Q: So how many gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one god. Still
Q: Is Jesus a God?
A: Yes
Q: So who many seated gods are there?
A: Only one God?
Q: Where is Jesus?
A: He is sitting next to the god.
Q: How many gods are in heaven?
A: Only one.
Q: Are they sitting on the same chair?
A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit.
*so.. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is...? 🤡🤡
@@Durray13 just say you don't understand the Trinity, it's that simple.
@alonso7124
Just say the trinity is not Biblical. It’s that simple.
@@watchman8644 is it mentioned in the Bible explicitly? No so unbiblical in that sense sure. But its implied and very strongly so. If you want to go off of that, there are many things you may believe that isn't directly mentioned in the Bible which would be unbiblical.
Fantastic explanation! I love you guys!
Fantastic? These trinitarians are nothing but liars and deceivers. When the angel Gabriel came to Mary what did he tell her???
Proverb 8:22 explain it all it tells us Jesus was created by jehovah
?? Where is Jesus found in Proverbs 8?
@@kevinfromcanada4379Proverbs 8 has long been understood to refer to Jesus Christ. Verse 30 says “I was by his side as a master worker.” Similarly at John 17:5 Jesus says he was at God’s side before the world was. So proverbs 8 is clearly talking about Jesus. With that in mind Proverbs 8:22 says “The LORD (YHWH) formed me (again, talking about Jesus) from the beginning, before he created anything else.” Similarly Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus “the FIRSTBORN of all creation” and likewise Revelation 3:14 calls Jesus “the beginning of the creation of God.” Jesus is also called the “begotten son”, the word begotten literally means to bring into existence, give rise to.
With all the textual evidence given we cannot say Jesus always existed. It makes the most sense that he was the first being brought into existence by the uncaused God. Thus making him “firstborn”, “beginning of the creation” and “only begotten Son”. None of those titles make sense if Jesus always existed
@djmaydraws3862 in Proverbs 8:26-29, who does the creating?
In Col 1:16, what reason does Paul give for calling Jesus Firstborn? Was it because he was first created or because he created all things? (Firstborn can be used chronologically and figuratively for preeminence.)
@@djmaydraws3862 oh, and read the NIV for Rev 3:14.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 in proverbs 8:26-29 the pronouns are second person. That means the creator is not who is using the first person pronoun “I” at verse 30 which is directly referenced as being the words of Jesus at John 17:5. Jesus is thus not credited as the creator in Proverbs chapter 8. He is however credited as the “master worker at Gods side” this explains Colossians 1:16, Jesus worked to help create all other things. Jehovah created Jesus directly, then used Jesus to create everything else. Hence the reason Jesus is called the “only begotten son” Only, meaning no other, begotten meaning brought into existence. He is the only Son created directly by Jehovah, all other things were created through Jesus. Also hence the reason why Jesus is called the “firstborn” which only ever applies to a being that had a beginning. Whether you view firstborn in a literal or figurative sense either sense is only true of a being who had a beginning. In both instances, there is an older being who grants you an inheritance. The Father alone is Almighty God and the Father alone is He who is uncaused
More breakdown from Greek please.
The better question would be how can Jesus be God and have the same God as us?
If you understand God to be one being with multiplicity of persons that are perfectly unified and always in communion and communication with each other, this becomes easy to understand. Jesus can talk to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and since He chose to humble himself and comes as one of us, then in that temporary role, He submits to the Will of the Father, since God is also God of all flesh. He is 😅n that period of time, deciding to live as a human.
Because Jesus was Devine nature and Human nature,when Jesus prayed to God he did it as a Human and not as God..
It’s pretty much just God The Son Talking to God The Father
It’s very simple. Prayer is communication with God. Therefore when Jesus was on earth he prayed/communicated with God the Father. The Father sent the Son down to show us how to live in order to be with him.This makes the most sense when you believe in the trinity
@@WaybetterthanBron23 Amen
The guest speaker in the Video needs to understand that the Bible word for "God" is "El-ohim" and means "Mighty one" and so to quote what was already quoted here, Now in today's modern language we have restricted the word "God" to mean the "almighty" basically the creator, but that was NOT so in the Bible days !
And I will show you. For example did you know that people, kings and judges in the Bible were CALLED Gods ?
To illustrate, Psalms 82 says: (now this is God speaking)
1 God takes his place in the divine assembly;
In the middle of the gods* he judges:
And Vs 6
“I have said, ‘You are gods,
All of you are sons of the Most High.
Wow, did you notice how even Jehovah calls them "Gods" and HE says "I have said "You are Gods" ......so the question is HOW were they Gods ? And when you have come up with the answer to that, then you will answered the question "How can Jesus be a God " !
Did you know Moses too was called "God" so was not that polytheism ?
So if God can give the title of God to angles and people then WHY can't he give the same title to his son?
You cannot allow the restrictive use of the word "God" in today's modern English language to restrict the way the term was used in Bible times !
Jesus said, you will know the truth and the truth will set you FREE, I am so glad for honest people who show us the truth after hundreads of years of being misled by the corrupt mainstream churches. I guess people can now do their own research and can learn the truth for themselves.
Yes, so true. The new world translation also translates John 1:18 correct when it says about Jesus that he is "the only begotten GOD" and yet we find most translation remove the word God in this verse and replace it with "only begotten son" because the "Jesus is God lot" find it hard to stomach the fact that Jesus is the "only begotten God" the Greek being "mono-genes" meaning "first created" or first of a kind !
Great comments.
@@STRONDthat verse also says “no one has seen God at any time”, which is an obvious counterpoint to Jesus being Almighty God. Considering thousands of people saw him
You know the word "El-ohim" is not a singular noun right and is a plural noun, even the ancient hebrew understood the concept of a triune God
Beautiful scriptures
Our problem is we learning only on English translation we should have learned Greek and Hebrew and arameric
Aramaic.
@@watchman8644 GREEK
@@JudeOne3Four I agree, we need to learn or at least have an understanding of Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. I was only correcting the spelling in case someone who doesn't know was reading this and couldn't figure out what "arameric" was. But thanks for shouting at me.
God bless u both, nothing valuable as reading my Script...then other books.
God is not a Trinity that's man made doctrine .
Incorrect. It is the truth
That dude is either smart, just really good at greek or both. I believe both.
Jesus was WITH Jehovah and WAS Jehovah at the same time !! Oh yeah because that makes a lot of sense ! 🙄Jesus never spoke of being Jehovah ,he spoke of doing His will.
Is Jehovah the alpha and omega?
@@mariluvchrist4188 It's a phrase that has been used for both Jesus and Jehovah , Jehovah because He is literally without beginning or end , Jesus for a few reasons ,one he was the first and last to be directly raised from the dead by Jehovah and second Jesus fulfilled all that he set out to do.
Psalm 110:1- “Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Clearly Jesus and Jehovah are separate entities
GOD can be THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DIFFERENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT BEINGS AT THE SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IN THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DIFFERENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT PLACES -- BECAUSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE IS GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .............................. Clearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ??? .Understooddddddddddddddddddddddd ??? Clarooooooooooooooooooooooooo ??? ................................... When GOD was on Earth, He was JESUS -- and was PRAYING to His FATHER Who was in Heaven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ........................Yes !!! ..................................... He was JESUS and the FATHER at the SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TIME in TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DIFFERENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT PLACES !!! ..................................
The light of the Sun is with and from, but is not separate from the sun.
Correct guys
This is just a lot of words that prove nothing.
It's obvious that the Word, Jesus, and God the one he was with are not the same God.
For a start John used two different words to show how the two are different.
The word, Jesus, is theos meaning God or a god; however, the one he was with is ton theon The God.
This demonstrates how Jesus in his pre-human existence was a powerful supernatural spirit being.
Equivalent words to theos in Hebrew and English are god and Elohim.
Elohim means mighty ones and is also applied to angels for the obvious reason that like Jesus they too are mighty supernatural spirit beings of unimaginable power; however, they are not The God. That title alone goes to Almighty God Jehovah.
Apologists pick apart contradictions in other religions but then turn a blind eye to their contradictory Trinitarian theology
@@djmaydraws3862 that's rich
again they are teaching the doctrines of man as scripture=false teaching. this is the best explanation I have heard, thank you.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.”
This is the testimony of the same person who wrote verse 1.
People who read the Bible are expected to know who a SON is.
Then why does God call Jesus 'his son'?
Because God is a spirit as he created us, we are spirits, having a soul and leaves in a body. That's why you see your spirit in a dream somewhere and that's the real you. Jesus said God sent me and His Spirit in Isaiah 48 v 16, meaning He had a physical body but the spirit operating through him was God because God is a spirit and God's spirit is present everywhere
Can the black doctor break down The Angel of the Lord in Greek? Since it doesn’t have an article either.
Why do you need to know from the doctor? The word already tells you. Angel (messenger) of the Lord. Messenger of who? The Lord!!! A messenger delivers a message from the one who send him. It's that simple. Because of this false doctrine people struggle with the simplest things. Amazing
Angel of Yahweh is Yahweh.
@@LuC-tw4cn Yep, you have proven my point. 😂🤦♀ Yet another individul with a handicap in BASIC kindergarten grammar
Jesus is LITERALLY called Gods SON!
Bible never refers to him as a triune being .. always Gods SON..
You must don’t like Paul
@@mariluvchrist4188 I’m not Muslim. Paul is fine.. lol
I and my father are one- John 10:30 Jesus says that he and the Father are “one” in purpose, and unified.
@@mariluvchrist4188 So Paul was a trinitarian? Paul believed in three gods rolled up into one abomination?
@@mariluvchrist4188Paul literally says “to us there is only one God, the Father.” (1 Corinthians 8:6) Also lookup what New Testament theology professor Bart Ehrman says about Paul’s theology. Dr. Ehrman and his contemporaries agree that Paul viewed Jesus as God’s highest and chief angel aka the Archangel. Similarly there’s Christian commentary and consensus leading all the way back to the second century AD that agrees with the notion that Jesus and God’s chief angel are one and the same. That’s what Paul believed. It was he who wrote “you received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 4:14)
Thank u
JWs don’t have an answer…🤔 I like how The Black Doctor mentions inconsistency of the word ( a god ) but why give half truth . CONTEXT is very important if you take out text from con•text you will get CON . Let’s brake this down and draw out what they didn’t .
Acts 28:6 and Exodus 7:1 shows that Moses and Paul are referred as (a god ) with all the same standards that was brought out in this video with Greek and Hebrew we all can come to the same conclusion that Moses and Paul are not God ,but why the inconsistency…🤔
Also the word beginning ἀρχῇ (archē) dose not only mean from eternity it also translates as something being created as brought out in Mark 10:6 But from the (beginning ) of the creation, God ‘made them male and female. ἀρχῆς (archēs)
Trinitarians must be deceitful because the trinity doctrine is false and is not found in the Bible.
And if Jehovah God produced Jesus to create all other things, Genesis 1:1 Say's " In the beginning God created The heavens and the Earth? So God was either lieing in John 1 NWT, Or , Jesus is God in Genesis 1:1.
Jesus is called the begotten son because he is the only one created directly by God. God used him to create anything else.
“Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,”
Isaiah 44:24 NASB
“All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”
John 1:3 NASB1995
One of the ways we can know that Jesus is not a created being and is Yahweh is because Yahweh says in Isaiah 44:24 that He creates ALONE. Since in John 1:3 Jesus clearly takes part in creation then He must be Yahweh.
Created ? Like the angels? Like Satan?so Jesus is brother to Satan?So a creation is our Creator?wow,interesting never heard that before..on my bible Rev 1:8 jesus say i am the alpha Omega the Almighty.. doesn't that mean God.?
love what you guys do,
You misrepresent the JW translation committee.
They translate “a god” as qualitative. Could be “godlike“ but really it says more them being like God. We are like God and yet we are not God himself. Jesus is a Mighty God, But he is not God Himself.
John later calls him “the only-begotten god” “the Son of God” The only-begotten Son “
God himself is never said to be any of these, but His Son is
Correct. Jesus is called “El Gibbohr” (Mighty God) but never “El Shaddai” (Almighty God)
This is a great video!
Nah man, THIS is a great video: *The Trinity: Occult Christianity:* /watch?v=TADB1V1cWGw&t=1s
There’s a reason why the Father is identified as the most high God, the Bible says that there’s many gods, but the Father is the most high, and the only true God. Even Jesus referred to Him as the only true God, John 17:3!
Abdulz it's over it's a WRAP no one believes your lies upon lies upon anymore ok it's a WRAP fully as i kept saying by 24 25 it'll be baked bread
So if Jesus was just a man ... why the virgin birth ... why is Jesus described as the UNIQUE Son ... and if every verse of John is supposed to be interpreted through the paradigm of understanding that the Word who became flesh WAS GOD HIMSELF in eternity ... why do you try to use John's gospel to deny the incarnation?
Agree! Trinitarians refuse to acknowledge that an Almighty by definition can only be one!
One alone.. above ALL ..
An Almighty of three coequal beings does NOT have an almighty.. they are all the same … so NO Almighty..
@@malcolmlayton2050Jesus was a perfect man. He needed to be to rectify what Adams sin and brought to mankind..
Jesus ransomed himself for mankind.
John 17:5 shows Jesus was alongside God before coming to earth. It does not state or indicate he is in any way God.
We love you Jesus
Why do a Google search when instead you can just listen to The Black Doctor. Thank you.
Dag right 👍
Because the BlackDoctor is wrong and strawman the JW's position. This is the problem with you Trinitarians you don't do your own research.
@garybowings1538
Because you need to do your own research to find the truth and not just accept what someone is telling you. These guys are far from experts, even though they try to act like they are.
If you legitimately research the origin of the trinity, you’ll discover it is not Biblical and was developed hundreds of years after Jesus day, and didn’t even start out as a trinity, but just as certain people attempting to make Jesus God, through much controversy, because that idea opposed what everyone knew at the time and what the Bible says.
@@watchman8644 Lol, let me guess, it was the "Council of Nicea." 🤡
Hey Avery, my name is Brad from Canada. I just wanted to say I’ve been enjoyed watching your videos for the last few years. I watch a lot of debates basically, it’s the only thing I watch these days and out of all the people that do Christian apologetics I have to say you’re the number one you have the number one seat bro you’re the best out there
Wow that’s such a blessing thank you
@@GodLogicApologetics Is Allah the true God? "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet." That is the declaration of faith in Islam. The truth or falsehood of this proposition determines whether Islam is the true religion or not. Therefore, the first question we face is: Is the God preached by Muhammad the true God? While there is a great deal of agreement regarding the basic concept of God in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, there are certain aspects or characteristics of the God preached by Muhammad that reasonably lead us to believe that he is not the true God.
Firstly, as San Anselmo noted, God must be the "greatest conceivable being" (1), meaning it should not be possible to conceive of a being greater or more perfect than God. Now, love is a pure moral perfection, and therefore it must exist in God to the highest possible degree. However, this is not fulfilled in the Islamic concept of God for three reasons:
Firstly, because the absolute uniqueness emphasized by Muslims regarding Allah prevents him from possessing the fullness of love within his own being. As philosopher Martin Buber illustrated in his work "I and Thou" (2), love has a "dialogical structure," meaning it cannot be fully present in a person enclosed within themselves; it must be communicated to another. But Allah, being a unipersonal god, can only be enclosed within himself. It could be argued that the "other" to whom Allah directs his love is humanity or creation, but this would destroy the very concept of God because it would make Allah a contingent being who necessarily requires something outside of himself to be ontologically complete. Therefore, the God of Islam cannot be the true God. And what about Christianity? Well, Christianity resolves this issue very well by postulating the concept of the Trinity, according to which three persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - subsist in the unique essence of God. In this framework, the ontological realization of love is complete because in the very essence of God, without needing to depend on another being (another essence), the divine persons communicate love to the highest degree: The Father exists by loving the Son, the Son exists by being loved and loving the Father, and that singular connection of love between the Father and the Son constitutes the Holy Spirit. Thus, in the Christian concept of God, unity in being and fullness in love are perfectly compatible, which is not the case with the Islamic god.
Secondly, because Allah's love, far from being absolute, is partial and conditional. Allah only loves those who love him and bestows his favor upon those who have previously earned it. The wicked who do not love Allah are simply not loved by him. There are several passages in the Quran that confirm this judgment. Let us cite just a few: "To those who believe and do what is right, God will give love" (Surah 19:96), "God will argue on behalf of those who have believed. God does not love anyone who is a persistent traitor, ungrateful" (Surah 22:38), "He will reward with His grace those who have believed and done good deeds. He does not love the disbelievers" (Surah 30:45). In contrast, Christianity reveals to us a God whose love is universal and unconditional. He loves even those who do not love him and bestows his grace even upon those who do not deserve it. Let us cite some passages that confirm this judgment: "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matthew 5:45), "When we were still his enemies, God made peace with us through the death of his Son" (Romans 5:10), "God is so rich in mercy and he loved us so much that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead" (Ephesians 2:4-5). In fact, God's "foolish" love for sinners is precisely the "good news" that constitutes the Gospel, as can be seen by reviewing beautiful parables such as that of the prodigal son (cf. Luke 15:11-32) or the lost sheep (cf. Matthew 18:10-14), which would be inconceivable in Islam.
Thirdly, because the "greatest conceivable being" cannot be surpassed in love, and Jesus Christ himself shows more love in his person, words, and deeds than the god revealed in the Quran. Indeed, Christ said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you... For if you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Even tax collectors do that" (Matthew 5:44, 46). As we have seen, Allah only loves those who love him; Christ, on the other hand, loved everyone. And not only public sinners such as Matthew the tax collector (cf. Matthew 9:9-13), the prostitute (cf. Luke 7:36-50), and the adulterous woman (cf. John 8:1-11), but even those who were crucifying him, whom he was able to understand, love, and forgive to the fullest extent amidst his pain: "Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing" (Luke 23:34). Jesus' boundless love sets "the bar so high" that it is not surpassed by Allah in any passage throughout the Quran. Therefore, Allah's love is not the greatest conceivable; it is Christ's love that even "surpasses all understanding" (Ephesians 3:19). In fact, Christ said that "no one has greater love than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends" (John 15:13), but he even went to the extreme of dying for his enemies - all of us sinners (cf. Romans 5:6). The god of the Quran has never shown a similar or comparable display of love. In the Christian conception, however, "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16). Therefore, it is the one revealed in Jesus Christ and not Allah who is the true God.
hey Dora the Explorer. when you gonna upload debate videos with 'muslim lantern' channel?..
Godlogic ro you have any material on the Day of the Lord?
What program are you using to have it side by side ? Greek and English .
I like this guy "The Black Doctor" and his knowledge of Greek. He needs to come on the warrior channel to discuss things like this. I teach both Greek and Hebrew exegesis on my channel.
Knowledge of Hebrew and Greek makes people know the truth???
What happened to the nation of Israel? They spoke both Hebrew and Greek.
Matthew 15:8 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”
@@jimjuri6490 Absolutely. It's better than blindly accepting an English mistranslation.
in speaking about Israel, you confuse knowledge and obedience.
If you don't understand the importance or need to study the original languages, I have a playlist on my channel just for people like you. It's called "The Dangers of Superficial Bible Study."
If you don't get the point after watching that series, you may be beyond help. LOL.
@@CRoadwarrior: JWs are God's people in these last days. Read Micah 4:1-5.
If anyone wants to learn the TRUTH contained in the Bible, logically, getting JWs help is vital.
JWs all speak ONE LANGUAGE.
Zephaniah 3:9 For then I will CHANGE the language of the peoples TO A PURE LANGUAGE,
So that all of them may call on the name of Jehovah,
To serve him shoulder to shoulder.’
@@jimjuri6490 Really? They why do they believe false things (like blood transfusion is not allowed by the Bible), and keep altering the "New World Translation" to fit their doctrine? That's one of the main problems with the JWs. They don't know the Biblical languages and are easily fooled by the Watchtower.
Why do they have so many failed prophecies from the past?
No, they are not God's people in these last days. They are pseudo-Christians who think they have the truth, but walk and live in utter darkness. I know. I've studied their doctrines for years because my father and parts of his side of the family were JWs, and he would give me their literature. I would then research behind the claims and see how they would take sources out of context and/or distort trinitarian scholars to make it seem as if they backed Watchtower doctrine.
If you are not aware of these things, it just shows how deeply in the dark you are. I can only pray you see the light someday and come out of that cult.
@@jimjuri6490 Right. With all their fake mistranslations in the "New World Translation" in every place where Jesus is recognized as God. No, JWs are far from God's people. They are greatly deceived, and are deceiving people.
Love to see Black Doctor doing his thing
@@jamespboykin He makes mistake after mistake. Let me know if you wish me to show you how he did. In the meantime, heed the advices of Proverbs 15.14 and 18.17.
Can you make a video challenging a Hebrew Isrealite camp?
I have a question to all trinity believes. Is it easier for you to give your life to save someone/something you love or harder to see your child willing give their live for something you love?
Trinity doctrine renders tons of other Bible verses INVALID
And that can NEVER happen!
Matt 3:17; Luke 4:21,22; 9:35; John 12:28.
Matthew 4:1-10; John 5:19; 6:38; 12:49; 14:28; 20:17; Revelation 3:2,12.
Luke 6:12,13; 22:41-43; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 11:3; 15:28.
1 Timothy 2:5,6; Galatians 3:20; Hebrews 5:8; 9:24; Acts 5:31; 7:55; Philippians 2:9-11;
John 3:16, 36; 14:6; 17:3; Revelation 4:11
@godlogic Do you know the difference between anarthrous theos and ho theos in relation to John 1:1c?
God bless you guys
Jesus is referred to as the Mighty God, whereas His Father is called the Almighty God. Scripture states, "the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is the Mighty God, appointed as King over heaven and earth, which is a clear aspect of their faith.
While Jesus is indeed considered God's Son, He never claimed to be Almighty. However, it is important to note that, according to John 20:17, we are to worship His God. We pray through Jesus to reach His Father, and humans no longer need to sacrifice animals to communicate with God.
Isaiah 10:21, who is the Mighty God mentioned in this verse?
@mikewayne6608
The title "Mighty God" is applied to Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, a prophetic scripture often cited in reference to Him:
Isaiah 9:6
*"For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; and the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."*
This verse identifies Jesus as "Mighty God" in a prophetic context, highlighting his divine authority and role in God’s purpose.
@MariBella-76 No problem with your comment. I would appreciate your exegesis on St John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:15-20. Thanks
@@mikewayne6608
John 1:1-3 presents the Word (later identified as Jesus) as pre-existent, divine, and actively involved in the creation of all things. It is important to note the repeated phrase “WITH God” in these verses. Jesus was with His Father, the Almighty God, who created the Word. He was present with the ALMIGHTY God during the creation process.
Colossians 1:15-20 emphasizes Christ’s divine nature, His central role in creation, His authority over the congregation, and His work in reconciling all things TO GOD through His death and resurrection. These verses establish Christ’s preeminence in both creation and salvation. (Ask yourself who is this “TO GOD” is the scripture referring to, he didn’t direct it “TO HIMSELF” did he?
Jesus never claimed to be the Almighty God. During His time on Earth, He consistently referred to Himself as God’s Son and made it clear that His purpose was to proclaim the name of Yahweh (Jehovah).
For instance, John 14:28 states:
"You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am."
Here, Jesus acknowledges that the Father (Jehovah) is greater than Himself, highlighting a difference in status and position between Jesus and God.
Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 explains:
"For ‘He subjected all things under his feet.’ But when it says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to him, so that God may be all things to everyone."
This passage reinforces that Jesus is distinct from God, and it emphasizes that Jesus will ultimately submit Himself to God the Father. This distinction underscores that while Jesus is divine, He remains subordinate to God.
John 20:17 states:
"Jesus said to her: 'Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."'”
Here, after His resurrection, Jesus refers to God as “my God,” demonstrating His subordinate relationship to God, despite being the Son of God.
Matthew 27:46 says:
"About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"
In this cry from the cross, Jesus calls out to God as “my God,” which further emphasizes His recognition of God as His Father and superior.
1 Corinthians 11:3 teaches:
"But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; the head of a woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
This verse clearly establishes that God is the head of Christ, indicating that Jesus is subordinate to God in a hierarchical relationship.
Revelation 3:12 says:
"The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never go out of it. And I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name."
Here, Jesus speaks of God as “my God,” again emphasizing His relationship to God as subordinate.
These scriptures emphasize that Jesus has a God, and they underline the distinction between Jesus (the Son) and Jehovah (God the Father). Jesus, though divine, acknowledges His relationship to God as His Father and superior, highlighting His role as subordinate to God the Father.
Amen Jesus is God ❤❤