Living with the 2019 KTM 790 Adventure - In Depth Review
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- Having now ridden the 2019 KTM 790 Adventure R for a few weeks I've had the chance to get to know the bike quite well and to identify any little foibles. In this video I ride the bike in various conditions and look at the costs of ownership as well as the various pros and cons of the machine.
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Fantastic thorough review! The best of its kind on TH-cam!
Enjoyed the honesty and candid feedback. Interesting and entertaining. Good stuff. Happy travels.
Thank you for the kind words!
As always, five-star review. Thank you, TMF!
Blimey o Riley Andy! That bike looks flippin massive in front of you in the garage shots 😲
Wait until you see the new 1290 SA R. ;)
Thanks Andy!! Great review. Super helpful. I’m seriously looking into getting one ( with a different screen of course😂). Your videos are some of the best on TH-cam 🙏
You are very kind Sean!
Very thorough and informative review - becoming a fan of your channel!
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Excellent review, TMF! Thinking of replacing my Triumph STR with a mid sized adventure bike, and start spending time on trails. Hoping to see an 890R review from you! Merry Christmas to you and your family
Thanks for the detailed review!
Thanks Andy for another cracking video 🍺
I'm saving for the 790R myself for my travel bike, I like to go off-road and wild camp, I think riding off road isn't for everyone and that's ok, We love your reviews and you're a splendid guy. Ex Mil like myself and my wife is always a plus :) (RAF). Thanks for the review.
Aww thanks - what makes you think I’m ex mil??
Quick heads up - Annual VED increased to £91 about 3 months ago. Great video as usual, hope the arm is getting better, cheers!
Great review. A mate of mine has one of these and we rode from Central Scotland to the Yorkshire Dales for some green laning and he had no complaints about the wind blast, and we had a fairly spirited ride on motorways, dual carriageways and A Roads. He's taller, at around 5ft11, so maybe that is a factor in the wind blast? Maybe there's a "bad" area and getting above or below gets you out of the turbulent point..
As a green laner, I can only go by the howling laughter coming from his helmet so i'll assume it was pretty good ...
Great review, I can see this being my next bike.
Great to see this in the road and in the rain.
Thank you Marcus...
Hi Andy will you be doing a review of the Honda VFR800 any time soon ? Stuart west yorkshire.
Don’t understand why all manufacturers don’t put angled valves on the wheels. Seems like a small change for them but makes life just a bit easier for us 🤔
Great vid, thanks for the hard work
tyres are not tubeless ..... thats why
BMW does it, don' t know on every model, but on some, even on the spoked wheels of the R 1250
@@diegocella6791 BMW spoked wheels run tubeless tyres...
@D R They’re tubeless on both 790 Adv S & R.
D R so then they should all use tubeless tyres 😂 point is it can be done.. if it’s good enough for a GS and my S1000RR then I don’t see the problem. Anyway, it’s not a major issue either way, just an observation
You’ll need one of those, what with all the dreaded stone chippings the council have been spreading all around your area. Interesting review as always. Looks huge in the garage.
Maybe invest in an MRA X-creen clip on screen lip? Then you can pop it on and off on bikes to see how much a larger screen or adding on of those makes. On the 1290 with an R screen, clipping on the X-creen makes a massive difference, it just lifts the wind blast over your head once you get the angle right.
Hate to contradict you, but I had no issues at 80mph on this bike with a Schuberth C3 Pro. I am 5.10. Yes, there is a lot of wind but not extreme buffeting. Try the F800GSA with the stock screen, that will turn your brain to jello!
@TheMissendenFlyer Great channel very good and realistic reviews of the bikes you get to ride. I own a 790adventure R and i know about the terrible buffeting at higher speeds, i fitted a MRA touring screen to mine and it stopped the buffeting to very high degree but the screen does have a little wobble about it at times on low speed and low revs however i would recommend the screen for anyone who wanted to do some bigger miles on the bike.
Yes I have one on my GS - great screens those....
A fair and honest review can always be found on the TMF channel. I am in the market for a mid adventure bike. But the Tiger 800 XCa has stolen my heart. Just gotta work out the $’s (🙏) Thanks again Andy 👍🏼
I'd wait a bit for the new mid size Tiger that should be launched soon
@@r6ymy on the Net, we can already see some picture of the new Tiger 900. Beautiful bike too.
Thanks for the review Mr Flyer!
Thanks for watching!
@@TheMissendenFlyer my pleasure!
Great informative vid thanks. Iv'e recently been watching a guy called Chris Birch he does amazing things on on the ktm adventure bikes.. oh how i wish i had the nerve and lets not forget talent to play like that..
Me too!
Being a tall skinny person, I experience great difficulty finding trousers that are long enough, but this motorcycle looks like a perfect fit to me! The buffeting is something I will have to test for myself. On my previous bike, I lowered the screen so the wind would hit me more evenly on the upper body, with the standard screen my neck muscles got very sore from all the wind being directed to my head.
On all these bikes with small screens you can put some washers underneath the lower screen bolts to angle it more towards you. That reduces buffeting quite a bit.
Definitely replace the screen (that's at least fairly simple to do), but KTM's are amazing bikes, love the lighting at night, the TFT and the backlit switchgear.
I took the screen off completely.
Have my Garmin mounted above the TFT.
Windflow is now very clean.
I love it like this.
Heard the higher screen is also very turbulent.
Rade Garage is working on a rallyscreen. Might try that when it comes out.
Best bike I’ve ever owned, including GS, GSA, FJR, 1290SAS and 1290 SAR amongst others.
Most balanced.
Yes the big KTM’s an GS are much more beautifully finished, but this is a beautifully balanced bike.
Karoo 3’s are incredibly good, make a lot of noise at speed though.
Great review TMF.....totally agree with you on the light front.....riding at night on my SDR is easy and the main beam is better than some cars!!! Also the back lit controls....awesome👍👍🤣🤣
Yes great features on pretty much all the current KTMs now....
@@TheMissendenFlyer did you see in "bike" mag that the Triumph Speed Twin won their bike of the year!!!🤣👍
Try the Honda CB650R Neocafé! I did, and I bought one in silver! And one in red for my son. :-) I've been riding for 36 years and love it. My son's a starter and love it!
Being an older dude (57) I'd say, nice bike but too hard core for me. When you testing the Moto Guzzi 850TT? More my speed.
Excellent review
Thank you!
There is hard luggage available on the ktm configurator...
The windscreen issue is what stopped the Ducati Multistrada from winning when I bought my Adventure bike. Great bike, but the buffeting was so annoying that the bike simply didnt stand a chance against other rivals. Yes you can buy after market products to help ease the issue, but when your designing an engineering masterpiece, how can you overlook that part of design. I think its simply poor judgement. Maybe they think it'll spend more time off road than on. Cheers groovers ;-)
100% agree MG!
Hi very good review an advice on the bike the hoover you use the clean water away from it what make is it and is it from Amazon thanks looking forward to the next vlog cheers
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What gloves were you wearing during the rain test??? I need some good waterproof gloves that will go over the cuff of my Mondial jacket.... 👍
if you ask me low -mid grunt motorcycles are the best
Ohhhhhh!!!!!!! I want this one 😍😍😍😍 Travel travel travel!!!!!!
Oh heya, hooow you doiin? ;) cant wait to get that bike!
Hey Andy, just about your buffetings test...
there was a gopro on top left of your windscreen, and another on the right-side of your HJC helmet...
Not ideal as of the aerodynamics point of view, is it?
Did you tried without those “satellites”?
Kudos for doing a review on this bike because it is definitely for people over 6ft!
I’m 5’10” and I can flat foot on the 790r
not crazy about the looks of the 790's but the Q.shifter/autoblipper + cornering ABS tips the scales in its favour for me
Good stuff. I have a question, if u can answer. Ktm 790 adv or BMW 1250 gs . How would u compare them and think which is a better off roader n for long touring. Thanks for going through & ur reply.
If you are comparing those two, you may as well add the 1290 to the mix. ;)
I'm going to have to sit on one of these. A 32" inseam seems pretty long for 5'8". I'm 5'9" with a 30" inseam and do pretty well with most taller bikes. I don't feel the need to flat foot bikes, especially if they're designed for some offroad use. Great review BTW.
Thank you Darrell - and yes, do have a sit on one!
Thumbs up thanks for sharing
Peace
I do wonder at small flyscreens. Put one on my Triumph. It might reduce a bit of chest blast, it does seem to increase head wind blast.
I will probably remove it and do back to back tests on the same road and see the difference.
Great review as always. Any info o. The fuel range? Many thanks.
270 miles
Should show a graph showing ownership comparisons cost between manufactures
Thanks for the great and honest review. Backlit grip controls? I never knew that a motorcycle had them but now I can’t undo the idea of it not being on my bike... Crap
Ducati seemed to be first on the Multistrada, then KTM and KTM have it on pretty much all of them now. I have it on both of my bikes, but it's not that important once you have muscle memory of your controls. It does look cool though.
Good review TMF. For me to ride this bike I would need stilts
I owned a 790 adv s for a little while (800 miles) and now own a 890 adv r. The 890 is superior in low rpm torque and smoothness of the gear box. Overall it gives the impression of being more polished and refined. I am only 5ft 8inches so I usually use the 2 part seat from the s model.
Thanks for sharing!
All akrapovic exhausts that are options from the dealers sound no better than stock exhausts now, a little deeper sound but not worth the cost. I'm pretty sure it's because it has to meet the new euro standards just like stock exhausts do also why they don't have removable baffles anymore.
Completely agree, saves a bit of weight a looks a bit better but absolutely not worth the cost. Wings make really nice quality exhausts for KTM that also sound great.
Like the Sharon exhaust from Rade Garage...far more stylish
Great detailed review. These middleweights make so much more sense to me in terms of cost, weight & real world performance. Although while it seems a really good bike, I just can't get on with the looks of this. It looks a bit too ungainly for me.
less off-roady, but have you considered the Yamaha Tracer 900? Around same price, nice triple, a more practical MT09 really, and looks pretty good in my opinion
Did you tried the S version? Its lower and also have the option to set the seat lower and also capable offroad.
Not one for me I fear but good work with the review!
With a decent Dakar style screen (and bash plate), the 790 is the superlative mid weight ADV platform.
Hey TMF is it the Camera lens that makes the bike look so huge?? i saw this bike and it looked short. I'm 6 foot tall and was thinking of this bike but it looks as big as a 1190 Adventure!!!
It is a tall machine - too tall for me to be honest (I'm 5'8")....
When doing these longer term tests can you include the terms of the warranty? I’ve heard that KTM don’t include the electronics in their warranty which could be a big expense if it fails.
That may be a US thing, in Europe, everything seems to be covered. They do need to step it up from 2 years to 4 though.
Good review TMF...I don't think there is a one size fits all screen out there, they all need 'tweaking ' to suit the rider. I tried several taller ones on my Tenere...ended up cutting down the standard one by an inch or so and bingo!!...no buffeting even on the motorway at 80 , and I wear a tour x helmet. Cheers, Steve
rally front mudguard to stop the front of the engine and associated gubbins packing full of mud?
Say you want to have a bike for the daily commute, for some Sunday blast within 100-200km range and finally for some off-road with your pals all riding 650 - 1250 GS's, who try to take their machines to the edge. Which would you choose 850GS (non adventure) or this 790 Adv R?
Worth testing the standard bike I think , any plans?
Thanks Andy. Great content. You said that the seat was good but too high, correct? I an 6 ft but have the same 32” inseam as you and like you would prefer to go foot down. Do you know if the non R version is ok for gravel or dirt roads? I found most factory seats to be horrible so your opinion is interesting to me.
Correct - I’m sure the non-R is great off-road too, for me that would be a much better option, bigger screen too!
@Liberty Tree thanks kindly
Isn't there a lower seat options? I thought I red that somewhere.
Can you try and have the diavel 1260 as your next long term review bike?
Seeying you cleaning a KTM make me so happy :) Captain Luc.S
Ha ha, that horn is weedy, Denali update required tout de suite. Nice review TMF, thanks again.
Cheers Colin!
Sooooooo.....you like the screen then? 😂
Just messing with you....seriously, the channel’s great
What is that support for the GoPro you have on the sreen.
You know Andy you encourage me I saw a man that had a bad motorcycle crash some top rider and he got back on the bike and he doesn't have the use of his legs as I told you before I have use of my legs and everything else even though I was semi paralysed so I'm encouraged to get back up on the bike some of these trail bikes are quite tall so it's hard for me even though I'm a very tall legged man I have to talk the bike way over to the left then get on and then push it up I'm sure I will be able to do it and I'm sure that one day I can visit you in the stockbroker belt of great Missenden where I was a boy
I always want to be able to flat foot. This bike looks excellent for basketball players.
If you want lots of travel and high ground clearance, it's going to be tall. You really don't need to be flat footed....off road your feet belong on the pegs not the ground anyway.
@@superflycatchermtb well yeah. I'm unlikely to go off roading, and I like to flat foot. So I guess this bike isn't aimed at me :-D
was looking for the standard model review...Get a Madstad screen! Not really sure why you bought a R?
He didn't buy it, it's on loan from KTM if you listen to the start of the video.
Stange to hear about wind buffet on the 790, wherein I'm 5'10" and riding (in Africa) my 1190 Adv 'R' (with it's OEM screen) at speeds well in excess of UK legal limits, whilst wearing an Arai Tour-X 4, I've experienced zero problems with wind buffet.
Weird eh!?
I am searching for a travel/tourer/adventure bik and have considered the following: Yamaha Tracer 700/900 GT, KTM 790 Adventure, Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel, Kawasaki versys 650, Suzuki vstrom 650, Triumph Tiger 800 XRT/900 GT, Ducati Multistrada. I have test drived the Yamaha, Moto Guzzi, Kawasaki, Triumph and KTM.
The KTM I tried was the non R version. I can't complain about the wind protection at speed up to 100 MPH. I am also 5 foot 8 and I could not completely put both feet flat on the ground. As for comfort I found it to be one of the most uncomfortable bike that I have tested so far, so I asked the dealer to include the ERGO seats in the budget. It wasn't terrible, but the seat was the hardest of the lot I have tried so far. As for the driving experience... wow, it was the most fun to ride of all. The quickshift that works shifting up and down is great. And it really invites you to ride fast. It is twitchy and nervous. A complete blast, as for fun only the Yamaha Tracer 700 (that was also a hell of a lot of fun) comes in second.
My main concern is that I am not looking for an off road adventure bike, only on road travel and weekend fun with some ocasional conmuting. So I am not sure if the KTM is the best choice for me. If I was looking for a on/off road adventure bike my first choice would be the KTM. even the price, compared to the other 800cc and 900 cc bike is good. Where I live it is cheaper than the Moto Guzzi, the Triumph's, the Yamaha 900 and the Ducati. Only the 700cc and 650cc models are cheaper.
Great review.
Do you plan to go off pavement at all? There’s some great deals on Africa twins under 10K new...And rumors of a smaller version in the works if you want lighter. I’m not pushing Honda but I’m a fan of best bang for the buck...
@@beardedbiker2647 Thanks for your comment. You are Awesome.
I had not seen any Honda (I did not know where the dealer was!). But a few days ago I finally found it and had a look at the Africa Twin CRF1100L.
I had never considered it because I thought it was a very tall bike. I am 5.8 (177 cm), and I told my concern to the salesman, he told me to hop on... I did, and with the low seat setting I could reach the floor with both feet flat on the ground, great surprise.
So, I have asked for a test drive of a few Honda models. The only thing against it for me is that the price is higher than most other bikes I am considering, so it really has to blow my mind for it to stay an option, the Africa Twin is 14.250,00 € where I live, and I can get the Triumph Tiger 800 XRT for 13.750,00 €, or the Yamaha Tracer 900 GT for 13.499,00 and the Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel is 11.990,00 €.
I guess that if I wanted an off-road oriented bike, I would get the KTM 790 Adventure for its price (12.499,00 € local price), although I expect the Honda to be more reliable.
I have also seen lately the MV Agusta Turismo Veloce Rosso... love at first sight, and of course it is the most expensive (where I live 15.700,00 € with no cases), but I doubt I will end up spending that much.
I will definitively keep my eyes open for a middle weight Africa Twin, that would be sweet, I just know if I can wait long...
Thanks for your comment.
Have fun and drive safe.
Wish they’d make a roadster version with a max 830mm seat height. Looks like a great bike and has the right sized engine. I’d prefer a vtwin so they could make it slimmer with those low slung fuel tanks. There’s a real lack of proper road focussed tourers if you don’t want a really tall pseudo Dakar machine. We’re stuck between the petite cramped Tracer and the overweight VStrom and Versys machines.
How about the Kwak s1000?? BMW F800s??
I quite like the looks, but being 2" shorter than you this would be even harder for me to take in the dirt, at least with the enduro bikes they have a narrow saddle so you can slide off it easier. These mid size adventure bikes are probably the new market, which I guess means I am not their targeted customer! :-)
Hi, Could you do a review of the Yamaha Tenere 700 please.? I’d be interested to see and hear how it performs on the road. Most reviewers concentrate on its off road capabilities although it is supposed to be an adventure bike that will most probably be ridden on tarmac for a lot of the time
Yes I’d love too and if I get the chance I certainly will!
That horn sounds like a cat that's just been heavily beaten in a territory fight??😁
Horn testing needs a firm pressure for a couple of seconds. A short tickle does not give out the full juice. Probably by design so you can alert people gently without annoying them too much if needed, with a quick tap or two.
Using a spectrum analyser and db meter (even on the same phone every time) and in the same space would be a little more scientific too. ;)
wow, when has a horn sound really mattered in testing a bike.....millenials....
@@frankgulla8782 Baby Boomer . . actually . . 😂
Is there another video where you actually take this bike off road? I mean it's great on tarmac, but might as well by a duke or the s model if you're not gonna leave the pavement.
Stock screens on loads of bikes are absolutely terrible, the worst I've had was the Triumph Tiger Sport 1050 which truly shocking - like being in a bloody boxing ring. Palmer screen sorted that one out, Givi Airstream sorted out my VStrom...
Was thinking this might be that unicorn bike that does both off-road and touring well. And it may be the closest bike to that elusive standard, but a Yamaha WR 250R and a BMW 1200 GS may be superior solution if you can fit both into your garage. Probably just get the street twin however.
would be a great solution if you could ride both at the same time.....
I have never owned a bike with any type of fairing. I wonder if the buffeting off of the screen is something I would notice?
One way to find out!
Interesting observation that after a prolonged dry spell, wet roads are even more slippery. On the surface (pun intended) that makes sense!
Question: In Atlantic Canada we usually pay for motorcycle insurance by the year, and it’s not divisible by 12; in my case 80% of the cost of my yearly rate is used to cover four months (June, July, August, September) the other eight months are covered by 20% of my premiums. IE: August costs me a bundle, December is practically nothing. So, when you say insurance cost 18 £ a month, can you insure for one month? Is each month the same cost?
I don’t think you can no...well not in any practical way!
TheMissendenFlyer: It appears to me that what is possible (and practical) now was impossible (certainly not practical) a decade ago. Why can’t consumers have an “insurance app” to simply activate our insurance coverage when we want, and deactivate it when we don’t want it? Isn’t having insurance on a motorcycle, when we’re not using it, like having the lights on when nobody is home? Or better, like leaving one’s bike idling for hours when not in use? In my area, the cost of insurance is the variable that most impedes motorcycle purchases - especially purchase and use of multiple bikes. If insurance companies could set up an app so a rider could simply activate the policy for the time period actually requiring insurance, surely that would be something worthwhile?
Wow that is tall. Actually looks good for this type of bike. The open screen on my versys is crap too, I know all about head buffeting. Not nice. Road version for me all day.
Yes I’d have far preferred that with my sort of riding....
Did they use a 6 volt horn? from a 1971 fiat 500?????
Unless you could get it lowered a bit for me. @ 5'8 - I'd prefer a BMW R9 Urban GS.
Me too...a low seat is available from the non-R and I did ask KTM if I could have that fitted, unfortunately as I’d only given 24 hours notice they were unable to swap it out for me, same goes for the windscreen (!!!)
Wow Andy that is some tall bike. Could I suggest that you stand up when reviewing bikes like these or change the camera angle so that we can see you!!! Ha ha. Difficult bike to review and I admire your tenacity! Yours aye, Alan
I’m 6 foot two and I find it too high, I’ve heard you can get a lower seat lower by 2.5 cm. In addition it is hugely unstable over 130 kmh. Due to the longer suspension travel. It would be interesting you testing the Adventure S. They say better road manners and can go off road happily too.
it isn't unstable over 130 kmh. Have an R and do like 70-80 km every day on it. 90% highway.
Giulio Sprockel what Tyres ? Also did you change the screen ? Probably still the knob lies and low screen ? All I can say is that you are a lucky owner then. Would have been a pricey mistake otherwise.
What about the fuel cap getting in the way when u try and fuel it😂To be correct you should dismount an adventure bike before deploying the side stand therefore footrest is not a factor
You are brave riding that tall bike Andy, i hate that tip toe lark.
Me too! Sadly the non-R (which is lower) wasn’t available to me and KTM were unable to swap the seat out for the lowered one for me - I did ask!
Looks like the headlights aren't visible at an angle as far as safety is concerned! Especially daytime!
Which is better triumph street triple R or the KTM 790 duke? Dont know which to get
For me, Street Triple every time...
Great review thanks. Insectoid headlamp very accurate! LEDs are brilliant hey. Despite its talents, the niggling omissions and little (and some not so little) Issues, are just too numerous for this bike to appeal to me. Mirrors, screen, buffeting, horn, no centre stand - so necessary to clean and lubricate the friggin chain, no std heated grips, footpeg ergonomics. I guess this makes me just a biased 1200GS person ;-)
You and me both it seems! 😉
I wanted to love this bike. How does a major manufacturer not know they have a crap windshield?
Ling COD, this an off-road bike, you do not want a large windscreen. It gets in the way for serious off-road riding.
This is offroad bias version of the 790, so the windscreen is optimised for that. Lots of other options in aftermarket to suit any need. Very small problem to be solved just as one likes.
Mate I watch all your videos have done for last 2 years love your stuff keep it coming. But sorry don't think your rite man to review this bike as it's aimed at proper off ride lovers
I agree and would have far preferred to have had the non R version....
Yh that's not putting you down mate like I said I love your videos but if I went off this one I wouldn't buy the 790 if you watch other reviews pretty much every body loves it
£18 a month for insurance? How do the unsuranc ecompany go from that price for you, to almost £300 a month for me?
Hi again, at 6 ft but with a 30 inch inseem I'd be lucky to reach the foot pegs! Yes I know I'm a stumpy f******* as a market trader told me whilst I was trying to buy some wranglers!
No info about the different driving modes, would be nice to get some fast review about them and what they do, you only really mentioned the rain mode what it does. Also came here for the non-R version review due to title, and was a review for the R version, so that was a bit disappointing.
Additionally as far as I know you can lower seatings on the R version and the non-R you can buy a lowered version of the seat.
Great review as always! Seems a shame to have neglected the bikes off road capability in an ‘in depth’ review though? Most of us would never take it off road I know, but that’s what the R is for? As you rightly point out, the standard is a more on road orientated bike. Love your channel, and watch loads, keep it up!
Do ktm do a bike that doesn't have orange ?
You have a 32" leg in case you forget...
An expensive high quality machine. My thoughts are that if you can afford one of these bikes (new or used) then you can afford to customise it. eBay prices circa £8.5k with 2.5k demo miles. £11k+ new but some amazing £9.5k deals around. These machines are clearly designed to be individualised for continental travel on all surfaces but it won't be cheap... nor should it be. General consensus appears to be that it is a great handler due to its supreme tech especially on the rough stuff (its natural habitat) where it's said to minimise fatigue very effectively. Lovely machine.