Great video! Greetings to you from a fellow lever owner (I own a 110 lbs beast that’s called Izzo Valexia Leva. It’s pumpless and without an internal water tank, so I have it plumbed in, which I can HIGHLY recommend. Boiler gets filled thru line pressure, and the machine is dead silent and sexy!) May the Pro 800 bring you much joy 😁
Great video, my dude. I tried a few lever machines recently and they are really something so fun, even though I'm much more partial to the science nerd machines that give you more data and control. Thanks for reviewing this one, I hope to get my hands on one someday!
Hi Xris! Great review! There's not many reviews out there. Was wondering what temperature you set your boiler at? If say temp is set to 93c, is that enough to get a decent steam?
I would experiment with holding the lever at the point where water initially begins to the enter the group for a really soft preinfusion. I'm curious if one could slowly fill the group this way and raise the lever. Or does the lever need to be brought all the way down to cock something in the mechanism? Great review and machine.
Yeah, you can gently pre-infuse... but there are sometimes issues. You can hear when the chamber opens to the boiler, about halfway down the travel of the lever, so hitting that spot is easy enough, unless you're in a noisy room. Sometimes you'll see divots on the top of the puck/evidence of possible channeling, though. These divots correspond to the four water inlets of the brew chamber sleeve. I've never had the divots happen unless I've paused just at that spot where it's open to the boiler... but it doesn't always happen, and I haven't had the chance to figure out why. I have seen that others have experience this, too, though.
The warm up temperature is not correct. I’ve had this machine for 3 years and while it is massive it, it doesn’t take 40 min… it takes me around 15 to 17 min the mornings. It is quite fast
Now that you've had a chance to use a lever machine I'd love to hear your take on a modern (cartridge-heated group, dual-boiler, triple-PID, temperature-profiling) spring-lever machine such as a Vesuvius Evo Leva or the new Nurri Leva!
It’s over seas. I don’t want to have to deal with replacing parts all the way around the world. Plus that thing is $6000. It better be making me $ for that kind of money.
Nice to have your video in my recommendation list cause i love lever machines Some questions How you flush this machine (as it is HX machine) to have the right water temp? For example, in my HX machine(Rancilio Epoca St1) i flush until the boiled water finishes, steady flow, and the i count 5" to have 93 Celsius How you use it to extract light roasts
Thank for the review! Machine looks amazing! I would love to have it at home, Im thinking to buy it but the problem is 3.5l boiler. It need time and energy to heat that amount of water and I just want one espresso in the morning, nothing else. I work in machine selling company so I drink a lot of coffee at work. But the other machines are not beautiful as this one. Im in trouble :D
@@itsxris it’s not freely but I come from a Nuevo simonelli musica. And that wand is solid straight in. Just my first hour playing with the machine. Pairing it with red speed eureka atom 75. Do you drink single shots? I find singles sweeter. Haven’t try doubles on it but it sure is a steady nice flow with sweet shots.
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personally Decent is still a very small company just getting started, there's plenty of long term risk to owning the machine. plus no lever, aka no fun time ;) But one day I'll get a Decent probably
@@itsxris there is no "PHYSICAL" Lever, but in the Decent you can emulate many and ANY lever based machine, and so much more, especially being able to program the shot profile to share and repeat... The fun is in experimenting and being able to actually record and measure what's going on!
i know! the decent has the most insane capabilities, but my review emphasized the physical lever feel and pull being the primary part of enjoyment for me :)
I'm seeing about 30 minutes or less when the house is in the 40's overnight. It's a _massive_ group, which stays very warm to the touch for _hours_ after switching the power off. Not sure why you equate physics with quality... And while the Decent defines capability, the generally analog nature of this machine is quite comforting. There is so little that can go wrong with this timeless design, and the parts that might conceivably fail look pretty simple to replace.
Sorry, but cremina is a 100% manual lever machine. The one you're reviewing here is a spring loaded lever. Totally different experience, and work flow.
@@k2u364 Cremina SL is a spring loaded one. But the experience that James was referring to was all about 100% manual lever. Spring loaded levers are not the same. They're more or less similar to pup driven machines but they have a curve which is fixed for a.spring that is used. So, I can't see how it compares with manual lever. Manual lever Is about feeling the resistance of the coffee, forcing the water through it. It is a really satisfying process. Spring loaded lever is different.
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Long time cremina owner here and really enjoyed this review!
And I look forward to your cremina review one day when you get your hands on one!
I really love my machine .Talking about steam pressure , it depends of the temperature you chose on the PID
Did you state that you are getting sweeter more balanced shots on the Pro 800 vs the other machines you have owned?
Great video! Greetings to you from a fellow lever owner (I own a 110 lbs beast that’s called Izzo Valexia Leva. It’s pumpless and without an internal water tank, so I have it plumbed in, which I can HIGHLY recommend. Boiler gets filled thru line pressure, and the machine is dead silent and sexy!)
May the Pro 800 bring you much joy 😁
Hi! May I know how to remove the wood of the lever handle? It just keep spinning, but not unscrew the wood.
Great video, my dude. I tried a few lever machines recently and they are really something so fun, even though I'm much more partial to the science nerd machines that give you more data and control. Thanks for reviewing this one, I hope to get my hands on one someday!
Hi there, could it be used in a commercial setting?
I love Lever machines!
Would it be possible to review and compare the Bezzera Streaga machine too?
Hi Xris! Great review! There's not many reviews out there. Was wondering what temperature you set your boiler at? If say temp is set to 93c, is that enough to get a decent steam?
What smart plug are you using that's rated to a high enough current to power this espresso machine?
have you testet the temperature?
Why would I boil two whole kettles of water to make a 40ml coffee in the morning? So you make 4.. that’s 6% of the water.
Why don't more manufacturers make dual boiler single group Leva? I fo7nd one so far in Italy for $7,500!
Thanks for the video. Can you tell me where you got your shot mirror? Thanks.
What kind of watch are you wearing? strikes me as a Panerai Luminor 44, but somehow doesn't also, and I couldn't look clear enough to be sure :)
I would experiment with holding the lever at the point where water initially begins to the enter the group for a really soft preinfusion. I'm curious if one could slowly fill the group this way and raise the lever. Or does the lever need to be brought all the way down to cock something in the mechanism? Great review and machine.
Yeah, you can gently pre-infuse... but there are sometimes issues. You can hear when the chamber opens to the boiler, about halfway down the travel of the lever, so hitting that spot is easy enough, unless you're in a noisy room. Sometimes you'll see divots on the top of the puck/evidence of possible channeling, though. These divots correspond to the four water inlets of the brew chamber sleeve. I've never had the divots happen unless I've paused just at that spot where it's open to the boiler... but it doesn't always happen, and I haven't had the chance to figure out why. I have seen that others have experience this, too, though.
You don't use the Flair 58??
It seems smart plugs are the way to go with hx machines
You should review the Cremina SL!
The warm up temperature is not correct. I’ve had this machine for 3 years and while it is massive it, it doesn’t take 40 min… it takes me around 15 to 17 min the mornings. It is quite fast
Now that you've had a chance to use a lever machine I'd love to hear your take on a modern (cartridge-heated group, dual-boiler, triple-PID, temperature-profiling) spring-lever machine such as a Vesuvius Evo Leva or the new Nurri Leva!
It’s over seas. I don’t want to have to deal with replacing parts all the way around the world. Plus that thing is $6000. It better be making me $ for that kind of money.
Nice to have your video in my recommendation list cause i love lever machines
Some questions
How you flush this machine (as it is HX machine) to have the right water temp?
For example, in my HX machine(Rancilio Epoca St1) i flush until the boiled water finishes, steady flow, and the i count 5" to have 93 Celsius
How you use it to extract light roasts
i usually do a 5-6 second flush as well then a 6-10 sec preinfusion then roughly a 30sec shot time for 2:1 ratio
@@itsxris thanx for the info
Have nice cups with your machine
Calling that needle thingy WDT is like naming your broom to something like Bogart The Barbarian.
my favorite comment
Great video. Thank you! Have you considered the ACS Leva or the Nurri L?
i have not yet heard about those!
Cool video! Gotta love profitec’s quality. I couldn’t help but notice the Square Mile coffee 👀 and DF64 👀
Do you think this machine can handle a farmers market? Back to back shots and latte's?
not for high volume, its pretty slow
@@itsxris What would you recommend?
Hey Xris! Great video! What is the black thing you use to purge your steam wand?
its a steam wand cleaning tool from artpresso :) amzn.to/3MAzOc3
Thank for the review!
Machine looks amazing! I would love to have it at home, Im thinking to buy it but the problem is 3.5l boiler. It need time and energy to heat that amount of water and I just want one espresso in the morning, nothing else. I work in machine selling company so I drink a lot of coffee at work. But the other machines are not beautiful as this one. Im in trouble :D
Yep agreed. This is ridiculous
Just received my pro 800. Is your steam wand moving at the slightest touch? Was wondering how to make it stiffer.
feels alright to me, good amount of movement but not like its swaying freely
@@itsxris it’s not freely but I come from a Nuevo simonelli musica. And that wand is solid straight in. Just my first hour playing with the machine. Pairing it with red speed eureka atom 75. Do you drink single shots? I find singles sweeter. Haven’t try doubles on it but it sure is a steady nice flow with sweet shots.
@AndeyKurniawan I typically dont do singles, but am glad to hear youre having a good experience with it
how long does the machine continue pulling for typically? and is that dependent on grind size and other factors?
dependent on grind size, could be super fast or could be like a minute
Really nice review. Would be nice to see the Londinium review one of these days! 🙂
same!
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How’s the back-to-back performance re: heat?
I'll do a follow up video on that aspect / best practices ive had with this machine!
Comparison with the flair 58 would be interesting
soon!
@@itsxris awesome
Leeeeever machine.
Great video and even better Panerai!
your new setup looks a bit overexposed (lighting), great video anyway!
thanks for the note!
If you didn't own pro800 and bianca,which one of would you get?
bianca probably
@@itsxris Care to elaborate, just a bit more words please? :) why?
Also. What are differences in steaming power/pressure? How faster/slower one is from the other?
40 mins warm-up? Yikes. At this price I really don't understand why somebody would not buy the Decent instead... So much more capability.
personally Decent is still a very small company just getting started, there's plenty of long term risk to owning the machine.
plus no lever, aka no fun time ;)
But one day I'll get a Decent probably
@@itsxris there is no "PHYSICAL" Lever, but in the Decent you can emulate many and ANY lever based machine, and so much more, especially being able to program the shot profile to share and repeat... The fun is in experimenting and being able to actually record and measure what's going on!
i know! the decent has the most insane capabilities,
but my review emphasized the physical lever feel and pull being the primary part of enjoyment for me :)
@@itsxris yeah, physical connection just feels so good, for sure!
I'm seeing about 30 minutes or less when the house is in the 40's overnight. It's a _massive_ group, which stays very warm to the touch for _hours_ after switching the power off. Not sure why you equate physics with quality...
And while the Decent defines capability, the generally analog nature of this machine is quite comforting. There is so little that can go wrong with this timeless design, and the parts that might conceivably fail look pretty simple to replace.
Sorry, but cremina is a 100% manual lever machine. The one you're reviewing here is a spring loaded lever. Totally different experience, and work flow.
i know, doesnt change how fun it is
@Sergey That’s false there there are two models of the cremina the manual lever and a spring lever model
@@k2u364 Cremina SL is a spring loaded one. But the experience that James was referring to was all about 100% manual lever. Spring loaded levers are not the same. They're more or less similar to pup driven machines but they have a curve which is fixed for a.spring that is used. So, I can't see how it compares with manual lever. Manual lever Is about feeling the resistance of the coffee, forcing the water through it. It is a really satisfying process. Spring loaded lever is different.
i have a flair 58, full manual, still - the pp800 is a ton of fun
Noooooo, it's aBIG DICK ENERGY man