OFFICIAL GUIDE TO AVOIDING STORY QUEST SPOILERS IN MY VID: The video will contain clips and allusions to Acts 3-4 in the archon quest and I'm afraid they are too consequential for you to enjoy the vid while skipping spoilers. I will not mark individual spoilers relating to the archon quest so DO NOT WATCH THIS VIDEO IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SPOILERS FOR IT!!! However, I will mark ALL SPOILERS of Neuvillette's and Wriothesley's story quests.
Major chunk explaining Neuvillette's story quest (both audio and video cannot be escaped): 14:03 - 18:00 Inconsequential scenes that can be taken out of context but still come from Neuvillette's story quest: 20:14 - 20:52 35:50 - 36:00 Random cutscene from Alhaitham's story quest (video only so you can listen to my voiceover vaguely discussing the quest without looking): 28:12 - 28:59 You will see dialogue spoilers on screen here but my voiceover will not give major spoilers. Still, if you want to be COMPLETELY safe, you may skip these parts. You may also opt to look away from the screen during this parts if you want to hear my voiceover while not seeing the quest dialogue. Less safe voiceovers (may allude vaguely to story quest content): 20:52 - 21:11 (Neuvillette SQ) 23:07 - 23:38 (Neuvillette SQ) More safe voiceovers (what I'm saying is entirely different but the best evidence is shown in the clips): 31:25 - 32:14 (Neuvillette SQ) 32:14 - 32:45 (Wriothesley SQ) 34:57 - 35:32 (Neuvillette SQ) 40:21 - 41:34 (Wriothesley SQ) 42:25 - 42:31 (Neuvillette SQ) IF YOU FIND MORE, PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT!!! As a sidenote, I mentioned that bit about fujoshis and their obsession with the male gender. I was more of talking about allegations against them (us) and I didn't have time to make that clear. This video is not meant to discuss the merits or problems of fujoshi culture, I was just talking about what people think. Also, I did say that shipping is just an interpretation but I have heard that some ships have legitimate queer coding. Regarding that, I'm not an expert so I did not want to be the one to speak on it. Some other commentary channels or social media accounts might have better insight than me on that particular matter. Thank you so much for watching!
The old argument that they're boring is so telling of how weird and awful peoples' socialization is these days. It's the Wattpadification of character dynamics 😂 I liked them early on as a potential duo BECAUSE they were warm and respectful toward one another - like, talking business before leisure is simply a mark of how dedicated they both are to the same goal (protecting Fontaine & its people) and that unlike couples that need drama to fuel ~passion~ they are able to compartmentalize their jobs or work harmoniously as needed. The fact that the functioning, positive, and mature qualities of the ship don't appeal to the folks that aren't looking for it or the ones that need a constant drip feed of shallow drama to spice things up really reveals a lot about the audience, and none of them good.
As a 30 yo tired adult I really appreciate ships that are far from drama and has very well stabilished and stable dynamics, it gives me a lot of comfort. Very nice video!
Very good analysis and explanation you did. 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻However there is missing in your video such as Neuvillette's voicelines about Wriothesley vice versa. Also another info from About Neuvillette I voiceline is that, he tends to avoid personal relationships or collaborating others. When it comes to Wriothesley, he contradicts it by saying he has a personal relationship with him twice and getting upset when Aife gives Wrio's resignation letter and says that he wants to meet him personally if he wants to end their collaboration. This is the reason why I mainly ship Wriolette. At first I was doubtful about this ship unless I witnessed how they interact in canon. I thought that they would be enemies or hate each other's guys. It turns out to be the opposite. They respect and trust each other despite them being in difference between their standing in society. What I am amazed about is that Neuvillette is so open to Wriothesley to point out Wriothesley says that talking to him is effortless. What seals the deal is Wriothesley's and Neuvillette's voicelines to each other. I was shocked when I read it and I found it sweet. The 10 tea's and Neuvillette's handmade stone slate was the last straw on making me like this ship even more. But anyways I find your analysis interesting because what you say are facts and truth. No bias and very informative.
Avid shipper of these two and you did a fantastic job! I found myself nodding my head in agreement with every point you made. I especially loved how you touched upon the problem with misinformation (honestly part of that reason is also because of a good chunk of the fandom's infamous ability to miss things spoon fed to you by the game) as well as those who willingly ignore canon content because it doesn't cater towards their favorites lol Also wholly agree with your point of it being OK to like "boring" ship dynamics and not everything has to be angsty 24/7 (although I completely understand the appeal of those things!) Thank you for your hard work in making such a lenghty video!
What I really see about this couple is that they, like ships, are so soft and adorable, I think that's why they caught my attention since after all you should always have a calm and loving couple without drama in it and just enjoy the sweetness they give
for me, i dont really need ~drama~ to fuel the tension since neuvi and wrio are already angsty for me with their own personal background and they are basically mortal x immortal ship. the art of shipping is the imagination and i see them having good chemistry so why not? however, indeed people are free to see them platonically or romantically as long as they dont spout misinformation like calling neuvi and wrio never interacted or saying neuvillette is wrio guardian just because they met once during wrio's trial while from wrio's chara story, we can see how he survived alone in the prison with his own wits. i think most shippers agree with me that we usually see their true relationship started when wrio took leadership of the fortress or when he was granted the title of the duke by neuvillette himself. this is quite a ramble since im very much the target audience for this video and thank you so much for this one because it really explains what i like about them. also, kinda funny that the section "why some fans dont like it" is actually one of reasons why i like them. to be honest, i wasn't really a shipper in genshin fandom before and i've been playing for a while (aka since 1.0 patch lmao). but these two successfully grabbed my interest despite of me calling it "non-sense" during 4.0 patch. well, people change 😂
I'm not really interested in the ship (since I'm only interested in wlw pairings) but this video>>>> The amount of times i have seen people go "they don't interact" "they're not that close" "they're only shipped because they're two tall men" "it's forced" and such even after the whole lantern rite cutscene (though 4.1 and Neuvillette's story quest are just right there too) makes my head ache even as someone who doesn't even ship them, I sometimes question if they don't actually read at all (yet have the nerve to say something, sorry if this sounds extremely mean) or are just lying because they just despise the ship especially the "only because they're two tall men" i'd understand a bit if it was during pre-fontaine release to 4.0, i don't know if i will count 4.1 since it's where neuvillette admitted his personal relationship with wriothesley and FOR ME, that is probably enough reason to ship them, but i don't understand when people still say that after the lantern rite quest like that whole flashback scene of neuvillette giving wriothesley gifts proves their closeness, i stumble on some wriolette shippers(i do follow some because when i agree with someone's takes i immediately follow them and some happened to be wriolette fans or they're wriolette fans who somehow also ships a wlw pairing that i like) sometimes on my twitter/X, ranting about people saying they're not close which proves that there are indeed still people saying those things which is just.. I'm really convinced that they're just lying at this point. This is why it's so strange to me. I understand only seeing them as friends, but saying they're not close is just straight-up a lie, and tbh, I was thinking if one of them were a woman. Would people deny their closeness? Would people still say that shipping them is forced? Let's focus on the shipping side since this is a shipping vid anyway. Whenever someone says it's forced, that question always pops up in my mind and it's not just this ship by the way but any w/w or m/m ship that does make sense to be shipped. If one were the opposite gender, would they say the same? I bet Wriothesly and Neuvillette's voicelines about each other and the "personal relationship" are what it would only take for those people. sorry because this kinda came off as a rant. i'd understand if the ship does barely interact or not that close but this always happens to mlm and wlw ships that have lots of reasons to ship and it's extremely frustrating. I would understand seeing them as platonicbut i will never understand people saying it's forced and that it doesn't make sense (the fact that there's already someone calling it forced in the comments is kind of proving this video's point). i feel like i would catch strays because of this, kinda scared Hahhaha.
The way they're so comfortable with space and autonomy is incredible. Wrio and Neuvilette are both complex and enigmatic thus being difficult to get to know or understand. That's why I think they're so cool together. Wrio is a character I *get* super heavily but I get Neuvi too. Grrr... I just love them so much.
After watching this video, I realized a very small fact that causes people to act out and say they barely have substance. I do think it all boils down to lack of "personal" interest in either of the characters to make sense of the coding. This causes them to ignore most of the interactions and the lore we got regarding the ship Which is fine tbh, you can be disinterested in stuff but to make a misinformed argument over and over again like it is such an impossible ship is just boring
What about how Neuvillette used to feed Wriothesley when he was a homeless kid or how he kept tabs and spying on him when he was a juvenile criminal (meaning underage) growing up in the Fortress because he wanted to look after him? :')
Don’t wanna argue w u or hate or anything like that, but Sigewinne called Wrio a young adult. A young adult is a person whos at least 18. Also, Wrio said he was a teen during the trial, but since minors aren’t allowed in meropide, he was at least 18-19, and let me tell u why. Teen can mean 18-19 bc eightTEEN and nineTEEN have teen in them. Wriothesley claimed that he went to the meropide as a young adult and he talked abt that minors can’t be in meropide and they cant go to trials unless they were born there. Also, if u did Lanoire’s and her brother Caterpillar’s quest, yk that minors aren’t allowed in meropide. Even the guards of meropide said that minors aren’t allowed in meropide. plus he was called a juvenile bc some woman mistook wrio like one. i have a pic of the chinese version of the text that the woman mistook wrio for a juvenile. If u wanna see it i can send the pic to u
Yep! But people forget he did that for Wriothesley, and all Melusines...and insist he only does that for Furina. Whereas personally, Neuvi has more organic interactions with Wriothesley and Chlorinde and forced with Furina just to fit the friendship narrative despite having little contact anymore.
@@GLoLChibs wym? No one brings up Furina in this story, I'm just pointing out how weird it is to pretend Neuvillette might feel romantically attracted to Wriothesley afrer looking after him ever since he was a child...
@@kitcarpe9799literally where was it ever mentioned in canon 😭??? People surely would know if it was mentioned ANYWHERE in the game , You can't just pull smth out of your ass and say it's canon if it's not shown anywhere Neuvillette literally never watched Wriothesley grow up, he didn't even know who he was at all at the time 😭
Okay so I looked up every source I could find especially from the lore itself and it nowhere states that Neuvillette watched Wriothesley grow up. 0/10 ragebait It was only mentioned that Neuvillette did Wriothesley's trial once in canon , every other sources on other websites etc you're getting them from aren't canon and you're just reaching at this point They only met officially when Wriothesley was already an adult, way into adulthood They did not have any relations until then Wow Neuvillette so "watched him grow up" in that one hour trial ☠️🙏 Be fr and stop spreading misinformation before doing research.
I always find it funny how people decide to judge somebody else's ship. As if not all ship are imaginary. Like they're judging the extent of make believe context. My imaginary setting is valid, yours isn't!
If people wanna ship this more power to them, I guess... Though I do find it strange that folk get more noticeably loud/mad over ships like Ayato x Miko but pass a blind eye to others like Wrio x Neuvillette... At the end of the day one of the parties in either ship saw the other grow up to adulthood... Heck, Neuvillette was the one personally aiding Wriothesley over the parent homicide case of his Also the horrible power imbalance with Wrio and Neuvillette's backstory context is icky to me
*Neuvillette never aided Wriothesley after he was convicted guilty and exiled to the Fortress of Meropide. Neuvillette stayed silent for a long time in Wriothesley's trial. Wriothesley was a teenager at that time. *Wriothesley didn't commit homicide. He committed 1st degree murder to his adoptive parents. Bcs he planned it and intentionally killed them both. He did it out of revenge bcs his adoptive siblings were sold to a black market. And if they weren't sold, they are disposed (they got killed). When Wrio escaped, he vowed that he will come back and destroy his foster house. He made a gauntlet out of scraps that can shoot nails.
@csm3825 1st degree murder is just a specification of a homicide... all 1st degree murders are homicides... Since this is based entirely off memory from the video and game itself, do feel free to correct me with a source if you may Isn't it severely implied or confirmed that Neuvillette when meeting with Wriothesley again aided in getting him the position of Duke at the fortress? Also the whole thing about Neuvillette being easy to talk with and then having personal dealings on top of the mutual trust?
@@depressionitself7998 We just have different views about murder and homicide, but actually they don't share the same meaning. In my country Philippines, murder and homicide are actually 2 different meanings. I'm just gonna focus on the specific topic in this discussion. According to Revised Penal Code, Art. 248- Murder- the crime committed by any person who shall kill another with any of the following attendant circumstances: 5) With evident premeditation *1st degree Murder- Premeditated; planned prior to the act Homicide, according to Revised Penal Code, Art. 249- The crime is committed by any person who shall kill another WITHOUT the attendance of any circumstances enumerated in the crime of murder. *2nd degree Murder- Murders that are not Premeditated. No plan, no motive and no precise manner of killing. What is Wriothesley's motive to kill his adoptive parents? *To avenge his dead siblings, destroy his foster home and free the other children from his adoptive parents. Wriothesley didn't obtain his title by Neuvillette aiding/helping him. It kinda sounds like a bias of Neuvillette aiding him. It is more like a recognition from Neuvillette. Because he managed to transform the Fortress of Meropide into a place of rebirth (rehab center), where people do not want to leave even if they already finished their sentences. And also he is organized when it comes to paperworks in logistics, taxes and accounting that the messenger will just have to simply receive it and then walk away. He actually has 2 titles: one is for the Fortress of Meropide (Administrator of the Fortress of Meropide) and the other one bestowed by Neuvillette for the Court of Fontaine (Duke, Fontaine's highest honorary title). Neuvillette fought hard for the title and reputation he has and bestowed the title Duke to Wriothesley. About the personal relationship and dealings can be found in the beginning of Archon Quest Chapter 4 Fontaine, Act III: To The Stars Shining in the Depths. As for the trust: It can be found in: 1. Neuvillette's voice line about Wriothesley. 2. Neuvillette in Diluvies Story Quest, during inside of the Fortress of Meropide, specifically on talking to Neuvillette before investigating on the Mutual Aid Network. 3. Furina's Voiceline about Wriothesley
@csm3825 That's cool... But Fontaine is not the Philippines and in english + french (the language Fontaine primarily adapts) homicide is just a word for the killing of a another person, correcting something that as you said is a different view on the word surely is something alright... And thanks
Honestly, these forced ships are getting on my nerves. I don't see a romantic relationship, but a deep, respectful and trusting friendship that continues to develop and will certainly offer us a lot more. Certainly lots of fun interactions too. Neuvi is just beginning to understand what friendship means. What being human means. He has certainly seen a lot of disgusting and abysmal things in 500 years. He's still like an innocent child in every way. But I think he's "growing up" now while he still sees the Melusines as his family. He slowly realizes that there is more. Namely, real friendship that brings added value to life. He begins to understand feelings and emotions, including his own. He expresses this not least to the traveler. Let's remember how happy he was that he was able to give us a water dragon soup ladle. He knew exactly that we would appreciate it because we know who he is. And the fact that he trusts us so much will certainly be very important for the further course of the story. So, I hope no one is mad at me when I say that people who only see gay material in all the characters are missing out on a lot of the depth of the story. 😘
It ain't forced if Hoyo officially ships it. I bet you didn't even bother to watch the whole video and rant about yourself getting pissed on the contents. You cannot accept the fact that Hoyo made Wriothesley a trustworthy man in Neuvillette's eyes. Plus Wriothesley telling Neuvillette that he's no longer an outsider during Diluvies chapter I. Plus why compare him to an innocent child, he's seen a lot of dark, twisted and shitty trials for 500 years. He even saw how Navia's dad died and other convicts who died in trial by combat. He's a five century old adult. The reason why he never made a personal relationship or collaborated with others (except for Wriothesley) is because it will affect his impartiality during the court trial. What he said on his About Neuvillette Voiceline contradicts whenever he and Wriothesley are together. Plus, Neuvillette didn't expect Traveler to show up in the Lantern Rite. He was unprepared for the gift to give the Traveler since he believe this is one of human customs. That's why he just gave him the hand made ladle because he was not prepared, plus he seemed nervous when he gave it to Traveler and when Traveler accepted it, he was relieved. During the lantern rite, Neuvillette went to Qiaoying Village after he read the article of tea written by Charlotte. What comes to his mind is Wriothesley since he loves tea. Neuvillette gave Wriothesley 10 boxes of tea and his handmade stone slate. Despite being scammed, Wriothesley didn't even bother to tell him. And also Wriothesley is so proud of Neuvillette making the stone slate to the point they'll just have to keep it in Sigewinne's mechanical collection. Plus saying this ship hits on the nerve and then pleading not to get mad at you just show how much of a hypocrite you are. It's like I can get mad and but don't get mad at me if I say shit. That is what the content is made for, to teach retards like you how to read and analyze.
It ain't forced if Hoyo ships it. In Neuvillette's eyes, he sees Wriothesley as a trustworthy man. And Wriothesley saying Neuvillette is no longer an outsider. Plus why compare him to an innocent child, he's seen a lot of dark, twisted and shitty trials for 500 years. He even saw how Navia's dad died and other convicts who died in trial by combat. He's a five century adult. The reason why he never made a personal relationship or collaborated with others (except for Wriothesley) is because it will affect his impartiality during the court trial. What's funny is that he contradicts his About Neuvillette 1 voiceline when it comes to Wriothesley by having personal relationship with him and collaborating with him. Plus Neuvillette didn't prepare a gift for the Traveler. And he thought that gifting is a human custom and that's why he gave the ladle to the Traveler because he didn't plan to give the Traveler since his/her arrival is unexpected. Compare with Wriothesley, after Neuvillette reading Charlotte's article about tea. He went to Qiaoying Village because he is inspired to do so. What inspires him is Wriothesley's love of tea. He bought him 10 boxes of tea and gave him a handmade stone slate which Wriothesley is very proud of and saying he will put the stone slate near Sigewinne's mechanical collections. Plus why go hear to get yourself pissed and then saying don't get mad of me for a content that made you mad. The level of hypocrisy of this viewer. That is why this content is created for a retard like you to do reading and analysis.
It ain't forced if Hoyo ships it. In Neuvillette's eyes, he sees Wriothesley as a trustworthy man. And Wriothesley saying Neuvillette is no longer an outsider. Plus why compare him to an innocent child, he's seen a lot of dark, twisted and shitty trials for 500 years. He even saw how Navia's dad died and other convicts who died in trial by combat. He's a five century adult. The reason why he never made a personal relationship or collaborated with others (except for Wriothesley) is because it will affect his impartiality during the court trial. What's funny is that he contradicts his About Neuvillette 1 voiceline when it comes to Wriothesley by having personal relationship with him and collaborating with him. Plus Neuvillette didn't prepare a gift for the Traveler. And he thought that gifting is a human custom and that's why he gave the ladle to the Traveler because he didn't plan to give the Traveler since his/her arrival is unexpected. Compare with Wriothesley, after Neuvillette reading Charlotte's article about tea. He went to Qiaoying Village because he is inspired to do so. What inspires him is Wriothesley's love of tea. He bought him 10 boxes of tea and gave him a handmade stone slate which Wriothesley is very proud of and saying he will put the stone slate near Sigewinne's mechanical collections. Plus why go hear to get yourself pissed and then saying don't get mad of me for a content that made you mad. The level of hypocrisy of this viewer. That is why this content is created for a retard like you to do reading and analysis.
It ain't forced if Hoyo ships it. In Neuvillette's eyes, he sees Wriothesley as a trustworthy man. And Wriothesley saying Neuvillette is no longer an outsider. Plus why compare him to an innocent child, he's seen a lot of dark, twisted and shitty trials for 500 years. He even saw how Navia's dad died and other convicts who died in trial by combat. He's a five century adult. The reason why he never made a personal relationship or collaborated with others (except for Wriothesley) is because it will affect his impartiality during the court trial. What's funny is that he contradicts his About Neuvillette 1 voiceline when it comes to Wriothesley by having personal relationship with him and collaborating with him. Plus Neuvillette didn't prepare a gift for the Traveler. And he thought that gifting is a human custom and that's why he gave the ladle to the Traveler because he didn't plan to give the Traveler since his/her arrival is unexpected. Compare with Wriothesley, after Neuvillette reading Charlotte's article about tea. He went to Qiaoying Village because he is inspired to do so. What inspires him is Wriothesley's love of tea. He bought him 10 boxes of tea and gave him a handmade stone slate which Wriothesley is very proud of and saying he will put the stone slate near Sigewinne's mechanical collections. Plus why go hear to get yourself pissed and then saying don't get mad of me for a content that made you mad. The level of hypocrisy of this viewer. That is why this content is created for a poor reading comprehension like you to do reading and analysis.
OFFICIAL GUIDE TO AVOIDING STORY QUEST SPOILERS IN MY VID:
The video will contain clips and allusions to Acts 3-4 in the archon quest and I'm afraid they are too consequential for you to enjoy the vid while skipping spoilers. I will not mark individual spoilers relating to the archon quest so DO NOT WATCH THIS VIDEO IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SPOILERS FOR IT!!!
However, I will mark ALL SPOILERS of Neuvillette's and Wriothesley's story quests.
Major chunk explaining Neuvillette's story quest (both audio and video cannot be escaped): 14:03 - 18:00
Inconsequential scenes that can be taken out of context but still come from Neuvillette's story quest:
20:14 - 20:52
35:50 - 36:00
Random cutscene from Alhaitham's story quest (video only so you can listen to my voiceover vaguely discussing the quest without looking): 28:12 - 28:59
You will see dialogue spoilers on screen here but my voiceover will not give major spoilers. Still, if you want to be COMPLETELY safe, you may skip these parts. You may also opt to look away from the screen during this parts if you want to hear my voiceover while not seeing the quest dialogue.
Less safe voiceovers (may allude vaguely to story quest content):
20:52 - 21:11 (Neuvillette SQ)
23:07 - 23:38 (Neuvillette SQ)
More safe voiceovers (what I'm saying is entirely different but the best evidence is shown in the clips):
31:25 - 32:14 (Neuvillette SQ)
32:14 - 32:45 (Wriothesley SQ)
34:57 - 35:32 (Neuvillette SQ)
40:21 - 41:34 (Wriothesley SQ)
42:25 - 42:31 (Neuvillette SQ)
IF YOU FIND MORE, PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT!!!
As a sidenote, I mentioned that bit about fujoshis and their obsession with the male gender. I was more of talking about allegations against them (us) and I didn't have time to make that clear. This video is not meant to discuss the merits or problems of fujoshi culture, I was just talking about what people think.
Also, I did say that shipping is just an interpretation but I have heard that some ships have legitimate queer coding. Regarding that, I'm not an expert so I did not want to be the one to speak on it. Some other commentary channels or social media accounts might have better insight than me on that particular matter.
Thank you so much for watching!
i been saying it forever, their ship name should 100% be law and order
I simultaneously love and hate how correct you are. (This is meant to be a compliment)
The old argument that they're boring is so telling of how weird and awful peoples' socialization is these days. It's the Wattpadification of character dynamics 😂 I liked them early on as a potential duo BECAUSE they were warm and respectful toward one another - like, talking business before leisure is simply a mark of how dedicated they both are to the same goal (protecting Fontaine & its people) and that unlike couples that need drama to fuel ~passion~ they are able to compartmentalize their jobs or work harmoniously as needed. The fact that the functioning, positive, and mature qualities of the ship don't appeal to the folks that aren't looking for it or the ones that need a constant drip feed of shallow drama to spice things up really reveals a lot about the audience, and none of them good.
girl you ATE that
EXACTLY
You say it! 😋
*raises my glass to this* honestly that's why I adore this ship so much
As a 30 yo tired adult I really appreciate ships that are far from drama and has very well stabilished and stable dynamics, it gives me a lot of comfort. Very nice video!
Very good analysis and explanation you did. 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻However there is missing in your video such as Neuvillette's voicelines about Wriothesley vice versa. Also another info from About Neuvillette I voiceline is that, he tends to avoid personal relationships or collaborating others. When it comes to Wriothesley, he contradicts it by saying he has a personal relationship with him twice and getting upset when Aife gives Wrio's resignation letter and says that he wants to meet him personally if he wants to end their collaboration.
This is the reason why I mainly ship Wriolette.
At first I was doubtful about this ship unless I witnessed how they interact in canon. I thought that they would be enemies or hate each other's guys.
It turns out to be the opposite. They respect and trust each other despite them being in difference between their standing in society. What I am amazed about is that Neuvillette is so open to Wriothesley to point out Wriothesley says that talking to him is effortless.
What seals the deal is Wriothesley's and Neuvillette's voicelines to each other. I was shocked when I read it and I found it sweet. The 10 tea's and Neuvillette's handmade stone slate was the last straw on making me like this ship even more.
But anyways I find your analysis interesting because what you say are facts and truth. No bias and very informative.
Avid shipper of these two and you did a fantastic job! I found myself nodding my head in agreement with every point you made. I especially loved how you touched upon the problem with misinformation (honestly part of that reason is also because of a good chunk of the fandom's infamous ability to miss things spoon fed to you by the game) as well as those who willingly ignore canon content because it doesn't cater towards their favorites lol
Also wholly agree with your point of it being OK to like "boring" ship dynamics and not everything has to be angsty 24/7 (although I completely understand the appeal of those things!) Thank you for your hard work in making such a lenghty video!
What I really see about this couple is that they, like ships, are so soft and adorable, I think that's why they caught my attention since after all you should always have a calm and loving couple without drama in it and just enjoy the sweetness they give
for me, i dont really need ~drama~ to fuel the tension since neuvi and wrio are already angsty for me with their own personal background and they are basically mortal x immortal ship. the art of shipping is the imagination and i see them having good chemistry so why not? however, indeed people are free to see them platonically or romantically as long as they dont spout misinformation like calling neuvi and wrio never interacted or saying neuvillette is wrio guardian just because they met once during wrio's trial while from wrio's chara story, we can see how he survived alone in the prison with his own wits. i think most shippers agree with me that we usually see their true relationship started when wrio took leadership of the fortress or when he was granted the title of the duke by neuvillette himself.
this is quite a ramble since im very much the target audience for this video and thank you so much for this one because it really explains what i like about them. also, kinda funny that the section "why some fans dont like it" is actually one of reasons why i like them. to be honest, i wasn't really a shipper in genshin fandom before and i've been playing for a while (aka since 1.0 patch lmao). but these two successfully grabbed my interest despite of me calling it "non-sense" during 4.0 patch. well, people change 😂
I wholeheartedly ship them after watching this. There’s even 2 swans in fontain that look like them. What more proof do you need? 😭
I'm not really interested in the ship (since I'm only interested in wlw pairings) but this video>>>>
The amount of times i have seen people go "they don't interact" "they're not that close" "they're only shipped because they're two tall men" "it's forced" and such even after the whole lantern rite cutscene (though 4.1 and Neuvillette's story quest are just right there too) makes my head ache even as someone who doesn't even ship them, I sometimes question if they don't actually read at all (yet have the nerve to say something, sorry if this sounds extremely mean) or are just lying because they just despise the ship
especially the "only because they're two tall men" i'd understand a bit if it was during pre-fontaine release to 4.0, i don't know if i will count 4.1 since it's where neuvillette admitted his personal relationship with wriothesley and FOR ME, that is probably enough reason to ship them, but i don't understand when people still say that after the lantern rite quest like that whole flashback scene of neuvillette giving wriothesley gifts proves their closeness, i stumble on some wriolette shippers(i do follow some because when i agree with someone's takes i immediately follow them and some happened to be wriolette fans or they're wriolette fans who somehow also ships a wlw pairing that i like) sometimes on my twitter/X, ranting about people saying they're not close which proves that there are indeed still people saying those things which is just.. I'm really convinced that they're just lying at this point.
This is why it's so strange to me. I understand only seeing them as friends, but saying they're not close is just straight-up a lie, and tbh, I was thinking if one of them were a woman. Would people deny their closeness? Would people still say that shipping them is forced? Let's focus on the shipping side since this is a shipping vid anyway. Whenever someone says it's forced, that question always pops up in my mind and it's not just this ship by the way but any w/w or m/m ship that does make sense to be shipped. If one were the opposite gender, would they say the same? I bet Wriothesly and Neuvillette's voicelines about each other and the "personal relationship" are what it would only take for those people.
sorry because this kinda came off as a rant. i'd understand if the ship does barely interact or not that close but this always happens to mlm and wlw ships that have lots of reasons to ship and it's extremely frustrating. I would understand seeing them as platonicbut i will never understand people saying it's forced and that it doesn't make sense (the fact that there's already someone calling it forced in the comments is kind of proving this video's point).
i feel like i would catch strays because of this, kinda scared Hahhaha.
The way they're so comfortable with space and autonomy is incredible. Wrio and Neuvilette are both complex and enigmatic thus being difficult to get to know or understand. That's why I think they're so cool together. Wrio is a character I *get* super heavily but I get Neuvi too. Grrr... I just love them so much.
amazing video and very nice interpretations of their interactions please make more.
After watching this video, I realized a very small fact that causes people to act out and say they barely have substance. I do think it all boils down to lack of "personal" interest in either of the characters to make sense of the coding. This causes them to ignore most of the interactions and the lore we got regarding the ship
Which is fine tbh, you can be disinterested in stuff but to make a misinformed argument over and over again like it is such an impossible ship is just boring
they're soooo soft and cute waaah old men in love
What about how Neuvillette used to feed Wriothesley when he was a homeless kid or how he kept tabs and spying on him when he was a juvenile criminal (meaning underage) growing up in the Fortress because he wanted to look after him? :')
Don’t wanna argue w u or hate or anything like that, but Sigewinne called Wrio a young adult. A young adult is a person whos at least 18. Also, Wrio said he was a teen during the trial, but since minors aren’t allowed in meropide, he was at least 18-19, and let me tell u why. Teen can mean 18-19 bc eightTEEN and nineTEEN have teen in them. Wriothesley claimed that he went to the meropide as a young adult and he talked abt that minors can’t be in meropide and they cant go to trials unless they were born there. Also, if u did Lanoire’s and her brother Caterpillar’s quest, yk that minors aren’t allowed in meropide. Even the guards of meropide said that minors aren’t allowed in meropide. plus he was called a juvenile bc some woman mistook wrio like one. i have a pic of the chinese version of the text that the woman mistook wrio for a juvenile. If u wanna see it i can send the pic to u
Yep! But people forget he did that for Wriothesley, and all Melusines...and insist he only does that for Furina. Whereas personally, Neuvi has more organic interactions with Wriothesley and Chlorinde and forced with Furina just to fit the friendship narrative despite having little contact anymore.
@@GLoLChibs wym? No one brings up Furina in this story, I'm just pointing out how weird it is to pretend Neuvillette might feel romantically attracted to Wriothesley afrer looking after him ever since he was a child...
@@kitcarpe9799literally where was it ever mentioned in canon 😭??? People surely would know if it was mentioned ANYWHERE in the game , You can't just pull smth out of your ass and say it's canon if it's not shown anywhere
Neuvillette literally never watched Wriothesley grow up, he didn't even know who he was at all at the time 😭
Okay so I looked up every source I could find especially from the lore itself and it nowhere states that Neuvillette watched Wriothesley grow up. 0/10 ragebait
It was only mentioned that Neuvillette did Wriothesley's trial once in canon , every other sources on other websites etc you're getting them from aren't canon and you're just reaching at this point
They only met officially when Wriothesley was already an adult, way into adulthood
They did not have any relations until then
Wow Neuvillette so "watched him grow up" in that one hour trial ☠️🙏
Be fr and stop spreading misinformation before doing research.
I always find it funny how people decide to judge somebody else's ship. As if not all ship are imaginary. Like they're judging the extent of make believe context. My imaginary setting is valid, yours isn't!
If people wanna ship this more power to them, I guess...
Though I do find it strange that folk get more noticeably loud/mad over ships like Ayato x Miko but pass a blind eye to others like Wrio x Neuvillette...
At the end of the day one of the parties in either ship saw the other grow up to adulthood... Heck, Neuvillette was the one personally aiding Wriothesley over the parent homicide case of his
Also the horrible power imbalance with Wrio and Neuvillette's backstory context is icky to me
*Neuvillette never aided Wriothesley after he was convicted guilty and exiled to the Fortress of Meropide. Neuvillette stayed silent for a long time in Wriothesley's trial. Wriothesley was a teenager at that time.
*Wriothesley didn't commit homicide. He committed 1st degree murder to his adoptive parents. Bcs he planned it and intentionally killed them both. He did it out of revenge bcs his adoptive siblings were sold to a black market. And if they weren't sold, they are disposed (they got killed). When Wrio escaped, he vowed that he will come back and destroy his foster house. He made a gauntlet out of scraps that can shoot nails.
@csm3825 1st degree murder is just a specification of a homicide... all 1st degree murders are homicides...
Since this is based entirely off memory from the video and game itself, do feel free to correct me with a source if you may
Isn't it severely implied or confirmed that Neuvillette when meeting with Wriothesley again aided in getting him the position of Duke at the fortress? Also the whole thing about Neuvillette being easy to talk with and then having personal dealings on top of the mutual trust?
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We just have different views about murder and homicide, but actually they don't share the same meaning. In my country Philippines, murder and homicide are actually 2 different meanings.
I'm just gonna focus on the specific topic in this discussion.
According to Revised Penal Code, Art. 248- Murder- the crime committed by any person who shall kill another with any of the following attendant circumstances:
5) With evident premeditation
*1st degree Murder- Premeditated; planned prior to the act
Homicide, according to Revised Penal Code, Art. 249- The crime is committed by any person who shall kill another WITHOUT the attendance of any circumstances enumerated in the crime of murder.
*2nd degree Murder- Murders that are not Premeditated. No plan, no motive and no precise manner of killing.
What is Wriothesley's motive to kill his adoptive parents?
*To avenge his dead siblings, destroy his foster home and free the other children from his adoptive parents.
Wriothesley didn't obtain his title by Neuvillette aiding/helping him. It kinda sounds like a bias of Neuvillette aiding him. It is more like a recognition from Neuvillette. Because he managed to transform the Fortress of Meropide into a place of rebirth (rehab center), where people do not want to leave even if they already finished their sentences. And also he is organized when it comes to paperworks in logistics, taxes and accounting that the messenger will just have to simply receive it and then walk away.
He actually has 2 titles: one is for the Fortress of Meropide (Administrator of the Fortress of Meropide) and the other one bestowed by Neuvillette for the Court of Fontaine (Duke, Fontaine's highest honorary title). Neuvillette fought hard for the title and reputation he has and bestowed the title Duke to Wriothesley.
About the personal relationship and dealings can be found in the beginning of Archon Quest Chapter 4 Fontaine, Act III: To The Stars Shining in the Depths. As for the trust: It can be found in:
1. Neuvillette's voice line about Wriothesley.
2. Neuvillette in Diluvies Story Quest, during inside of the Fortress of Meropide, specifically on talking to Neuvillette before investigating on the Mutual Aid Network.
3. Furina's Voiceline about Wriothesley
@csm3825 That's cool... But Fontaine is not the Philippines and in english + french (the language Fontaine primarily adapts) homicide is just a word for the killing of a another person, correcting something that as you said is a different view on the word surely is something alright...
And thanks
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Yeah we cool then, kapeesh. 👍🏻
Honestly, these forced ships are getting on my nerves. I don't see a romantic relationship, but a deep, respectful and trusting friendship that continues to develop and will certainly offer us a lot more. Certainly lots of fun interactions too. Neuvi is just beginning to understand what friendship means. What being human means. He has certainly seen a lot of disgusting and abysmal things in 500 years. He's still like an innocent child in every way. But I think he's "growing up" now while he still sees the Melusines as his family. He slowly realizes that there is more. Namely, real friendship that brings added value to life.
He begins to understand feelings and emotions, including his own.
He expresses this not least to the traveler. Let's remember how happy he was that he was able to give us a water dragon soup ladle. He knew exactly that we would appreciate it because we know who he is. And the fact that he trusts us so much will certainly be very important for the further course of the story. So, I hope no one is mad at me when I say that people who only see gay material in all the characters are missing out on a lot of the depth of the story.
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It ain't forced if Hoyo officially ships it. I bet you didn't even bother to watch the whole video and rant about yourself getting pissed on the contents.
You cannot accept the fact that Hoyo made Wriothesley a trustworthy man in Neuvillette's eyes. Plus Wriothesley telling Neuvillette that he's no longer an outsider during Diluvies chapter I.
Plus why compare him to an innocent child, he's seen a lot of dark, twisted and shitty trials for 500 years. He even saw how Navia's dad died and other convicts who died in trial by combat.
He's a five century old adult.
The reason why he never made a personal relationship or collaborated with others (except for Wriothesley) is because it will affect his impartiality during the court trial. What he said on his About Neuvillette Voiceline contradicts whenever he and Wriothesley are together.
Plus, Neuvillette didn't expect Traveler to show up in the Lantern Rite. He was unprepared for the gift to give the Traveler since he believe this is one of human customs. That's why he just gave him the hand made ladle because he was not prepared, plus he seemed nervous when he gave it to Traveler and when Traveler accepted it, he was relieved.
During the lantern rite, Neuvillette went to Qiaoying Village after he read the article of tea written by Charlotte. What comes to his mind is Wriothesley since he loves tea. Neuvillette gave Wriothesley 10 boxes of tea and his handmade stone slate. Despite being scammed, Wriothesley didn't even bother to tell him. And also Wriothesley is so proud of Neuvillette making the stone slate to the point they'll just have to keep it in Sigewinne's mechanical collection.
Plus saying this ship hits on the nerve and then pleading not to get mad at you just show how much of a hypocrite you are. It's like I can get mad and but don't get mad at me if I say shit. That is what the content is made for, to teach retards like you how to read and analyze.
Okay but that's a shipping video and you came here to call it forced?
It ain't forced if Hoyo ships it.
In Neuvillette's eyes, he sees Wriothesley as a trustworthy man. And Wriothesley saying Neuvillette is no longer an outsider.
Plus why compare him to an innocent child, he's seen a lot of dark, twisted and shitty trials for 500 years. He even saw how Navia's dad died and other convicts who died in trial by combat.
He's a five century adult.
The reason why he never made a personal relationship or collaborated with others (except for Wriothesley) is because it will affect his impartiality during the court trial. What's funny is that he contradicts his About Neuvillette 1 voiceline when it comes to Wriothesley by having personal relationship with him and collaborating with him.
Plus Neuvillette didn't prepare a gift for the Traveler. And he thought that gifting is a human custom and that's why he gave the ladle to the Traveler because he didn't plan to give the Traveler since his/her arrival is unexpected.
Compare with Wriothesley, after Neuvillette reading Charlotte's article about tea. He went to Qiaoying Village because he is inspired to do so. What inspires him is Wriothesley's love of tea. He bought him 10 boxes of tea and gave him a handmade stone slate which Wriothesley is very proud of and saying he will put the stone slate near Sigewinne's mechanical collections.
Plus why go hear to get yourself pissed and then saying don't get mad of me for a content that made you mad. The level of hypocrisy of this viewer. That is why this content is created for a retard like you to do reading and analysis.
It ain't forced if Hoyo ships it.
In Neuvillette's eyes, he sees Wriothesley as a trustworthy man. And Wriothesley saying Neuvillette is no longer an outsider.
Plus why compare him to an innocent child, he's seen a lot of dark, twisted and shitty trials for 500 years. He even saw how Navia's dad died and other convicts who died in trial by combat.
He's a five century adult.
The reason why he never made a personal relationship or collaborated with others (except for Wriothesley) is because it will affect his impartiality during the court trial. What's funny is that he contradicts his About Neuvillette 1 voiceline when it comes to Wriothesley by having personal relationship with him and collaborating with him.
Plus Neuvillette didn't prepare a gift for the Traveler. And he thought that gifting is a human custom and that's why he gave the ladle to the Traveler because he didn't plan to give the Traveler since his/her arrival is unexpected.
Compare with Wriothesley, after Neuvillette reading Charlotte's article about tea. He went to Qiaoying Village because he is inspired to do so. What inspires him is Wriothesley's love of tea. He bought him 10 boxes of tea and gave him a handmade stone slate which Wriothesley is very proud of and saying he will put the stone slate near Sigewinne's mechanical collections.
Plus why go hear to get yourself pissed and then saying don't get mad of me for a content that made you mad. The level of hypocrisy of this viewer. That is why this content is created for a retard like you to do reading and analysis.
It ain't forced if Hoyo ships it.
In Neuvillette's eyes, he sees Wriothesley as a trustworthy man. And Wriothesley saying Neuvillette is no longer an outsider.
Plus why compare him to an innocent child, he's seen a lot of dark, twisted and shitty trials for 500 years. He even saw how Navia's dad died and other convicts who died in trial by combat.
He's a five century adult.
The reason why he never made a personal relationship or collaborated with others (except for Wriothesley) is because it will affect his impartiality during the court trial. What's funny is that he contradicts his About Neuvillette 1 voiceline when it comes to Wriothesley by having personal relationship with him and collaborating with him.
Plus Neuvillette didn't prepare a gift for the Traveler. And he thought that gifting is a human custom and that's why he gave the ladle to the Traveler because he didn't plan to give the Traveler since his/her arrival is unexpected.
Compare with Wriothesley, after Neuvillette reading Charlotte's article about tea. He went to Qiaoying Village because he is inspired to do so. What inspires him is Wriothesley's love of tea. He bought him 10 boxes of tea and gave him a handmade stone slate which Wriothesley is very proud of and saying he will put the stone slate near Sigewinne's mechanical collections.
Plus why go hear to get yourself pissed and then saying don't get mad of me for a content that made you mad. The level of hypocrisy of this viewer. That is why this content is created for a poor reading comprehension like you to do reading and analysis.
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