V8 Raptor vs Stock Twin-Turbo V6 Ford Raptor: Compared
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This...this is what the Ford Raptor should have been from the factory
YEP
exactly
Unevolved?... how can anyone prefer this low tech archaic engine over a lemans winning high tech racing engine? Just because of the sound? If so, some people have ridiculous issues
GRRB I can't tell if you are actually serious lmao you are joking right?
why not an V12?
I said it before....I dont care about the better fuel economy of a turbo V6....I simply want a big American V8 along with that American V8 sound!
I've always said there are two groups of people. Those have a V8 motor and those who WANT a V8 motor.
Agreed, just purchased a 2020 GMC AT4, had a choice between the 5.3 and 6.2 on the lot, I left the 5.3 there and took home the 6.2, I like V8s, but the bigger the V8 the better, and Generally on the Raptors, the V6 Turbo doesn't get much better MPGs than the V8.
you are so correct
Especially in a raptor nobody buys them for good fuel mileage, they should atleast make that an option
Single cab..... With the supercharger fully kitted out.... I would do regretful, shameful, nasty things for one of those.
Well said!
Be even better if you could still get a regular cab short bed. I wouldn't bother with the supercharger even though they are nice to have.
Check out boosted f-150 channel. The undertaker!
@@ericstanley7973 I'm subbed to him already ;)
@@rogerj412 you can..... Just hard to find but u can get a single cab short bed 5.0 and 4x4
It sounds freakin awesome!!! I see why it costs so much! I say if you have the cheese to splurge on one to just go for it!!! Awesome video Andre!!
I feel bad for Andre. Getting to drive a V8 Raptor than having to go back to his H2.
There is one little problem that most people overlook with this truck. It will not have the resale value of an actual Raptor.
True it won't be the same, and right now custom builds and one-offs are selling for more than factory vehicles.
Who would WANT to sell it??
Or warranty, how do you even know it's going to be reliable
Its a ford to begin with so the resale value is already thrown out the window
harvey dog he said it’s all Ford parts and warrantied, and you can get a separate warranty on the super charger for an extra $1k.
When I saw this truck something moved in my boxers, and I liked it ! Lol
Great video highlighting a great company Andre did a great job of presenting the products keep up the good work
I just left my local ford dealership over the weekend. They had two Shelby Raptors on the floor 525 HP. They were beasts! I can't even imagine driving this thing. Love that V8 sound.
After going to Raptor Assault last week and appreciating what goes into a Raptor, I can confidently say that this is not a “Raptor conversion”. This is a lifted truck with some more power
*Please read and give opinion*
I have a friend in Germany. He swapped his V6 EcoBoost with a V8 5.0L supercharged. 740 hp to the wheels. We messed with the modules and made some dummy plugs & configured to fool the modules. This V8 is from the 2018 Mustang GT. Roush supercharger. It use to have a VMP supercharger but we went back to the Roush for now. VMP used to put down 822 hp to the wheels.
10 speed transmission adapted to
V8 5.0L TI VCT with a custom aluminum plate .
All wheel drive
4 inch lift kit with upgraded hydraulic fox racing shocks(more travel and flexibility)
Bigger tires and custom rims.
Spaced out as well
Carbonfiber hood, L-R fenders, grill, bumper, interior pieces that was fake carbon changed to real ones and upgraded speakers.
A/C
No error messages
Reconfigured ECU to fool the modules for the turbos
Dummy plugs and software for the ECU and turbo modules.
Custom titanium exhaust with valves( headers are stock with 2 primary cats and then straight piped after that)
Bigger radiator
Everything works in that truck and im doing my 2018 Raptor V8 conversion as well. Shipped it here to Germany.
The total cost for everything was €23.910.
Shakeel if you don’t mind can you tell me where your friend got the valves exhaust for his F150?
I’ve been searching for one for my truck but I had no luck so far
Valved*
I have a roush supercharged 2016 F150, that had the roush exhaust on it when I bought it. I swapped the muffler for a QTP screamer (which required a custom 2 into 1 Y pipe that I had made at an exhaust shop for $65). The QTP screamer is a valved muffler that switches between single and three chamber modes. I also added a QTP cutout with turndown upstream, to get effectively three mode exhaust system. I spent about $700 for that, but would need to factor in the cost of the 3" Roush catback. I do know Roush makes a valved system itself, but it's $1,800.
Hunter White the thing with QTP is that they are not reliable, they cutout simply stops working in a few months.
Regarding Roush’s active exhaust my issue with it is the price, other than that it looks like a solid product.
Sorry for any mistakes english is not my first language.
I would really appreciate if you or your friend could put up a vid of his Raptor and talk about the changes that were necessary to get the V8, trans and modules to work.
Badass video! Thank you!
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Andre, great job, you guys are at your best when your having fun.
14:46 sounds like a mountain lion roar, crazy badass
That v8 makes the v6 sound like left blower! I was also ok with the v6 sound til I heard that.. It sounds like a screaming big cat like a cougar or jaguar! I'd love to buy one!... but I can't afford it. But HOLY CRAP THAT EXHAUST!!
You can get a 5.0 f150 and put an exhaust on it for pretty cheap
I'd probably do that since I have no need for a 750-hp truck
It sounds like a coyote
Were you that guy asking for a v8 in a raptor, then they made it and you couldn’t afford it?
No not me. I have no use or reasoning for owning a Raptor. I know what you're saying, but no it wasn't me.
Fantastic video Andre !!! Just awesome !!!
This is amazing. I am so down for a Platinum Raptor. WOW! Thank you PaxPower.
The Raptor should have came with the 5.2L that's in the GT350.
A flatplane would be terrible for a truck and wouldnt handle the weight. It wouldnt have the low end torque that you would want in a truck, especially not for a raptor. You dont buy a Raptor for it to rev to 8500 rpms, it would take FOREVER to get in the power band.
They either put a 7.3L Godzilla in the next raptor or im buying a cybertruck. Well a fat 6.2L would do it too. V6 eco boost is garbage.
John Doe I’m sure Ford is basing what they build on if you will buy it or not.
Well, you better start saving up because Ford just announced their answer to the Ram TRX today. It’s all good until gas prices go passed $5 / gal. I will buy the raptor with V6 and be at the happy medium :)
Def the V8 one is the way to go! Beautiful conversion Paxpower! Sounds soooo good.
One of the most awesome builds I've seen!
Love the exhaust notes and wind squeezer whine a whipple is like no other in that department man I'm a hold out on buying a truck but with what you've shown in the video series of this and the 2019 line up. Andre you just made things infinitely more difficult and I'm a Chevy guy but have owned an f150 was my last truck
5:19 the swaybar end link is loose.
NICE catch man!
Its not loose. That how they're supposed to work
@@hidros1461 it does look JUST a tad too wobbly to me however i never claim to have knowledge OR experience on that particular suspension item so i believe that you are probably correct.
The only advantage this truck has that I can see over my eco Raptor would be the exhaust note which sounds awesome. However, no terrain management system, raptor steering wheel, or the beefed up rear frame & depending on what model f150 their full kit could potentially cost more than a 802A Raptor. It's a good kit though, worthy of some serious recognition. Thanx TFL truck for sharing.
No terrain management would be a step in the right direction.
Wow! You had fun!! I'd love to get one.
Seeing this truck/dream in reality gave me goosebumps. Such a beauty to see and hear in action.
FYI you can buy the Raptor steering wheel on eBay for around $450
one thing would be if you were in an accident would the insurance company cover you for the value of the conversion you most likely loose that 25k where as with a factory raptor the insurance value would cover that
Then add the $25,000 in custom parts to the policy. Problem solved!
Itd be pretty easy to get the customization added to your policy. Obviously if you just did the custom work, never told your insurance company and then got in a wreck, you'd be SOL.
good points wonder what the cost comparison is adding custom parts to policy vs insuring a factory vehicle
also will that bring into question any claim on the car as it could trigger investigation into well you modified the whole suspension and made the car unsafe to drive total claim denied
@@Probablyshouldnthave you would for sure spend more insuring the custom v8 raptor vs a stock factory raptor
I'm almost done with my own conversion i must say it's coming out great 👍
I'm a die hard GM guy but that 5.0 coyote is a thing of beauty!
Everyone is welcome to come see a real Ford Raptor with a 5.0L supercharged V8 engine at the SEMA Show from October 30 through November 2: The Hennessey VelociRaptor V8 will be on display at the Shell Pennzoil booth in front of the main hall.
Hennessey Performance that’s a real supercharged v8 Raptor. And it’s done in cooperation with Ford. Love what you guys do, especially love the top gear episode with the velociraptor!
You can Also buy if at Hennessey for the low price of $174.000 ...
Typo only $147.000
14:11 into the video the sway bar bushing on the lower control arm seems to be loose. What going on there?
The Raptor suspension has a lot of movement and articulation a reason it works so well but isn't cheap.
Andre has made alot of really great videos lately.
Hey! I met up with Ben the other day and drove this truck myself! Thankfully the facility is only 30 minutes down the road from me! Big things are in store
A lot of shade tree mechanics in the comment section saying how easy it would be to swap this engine into a factory Raptor. Well let’s see it?
How about a regular cab 4x4 short bed f150 raptor can you do that??
With their bumpers and upgrades, this is probably the best option anyone can ask for. The pricing also is good and doable. Fantastic machine.
Best tfl truck I've seen. Strongly going to consider this against the current production raptor when I pull the trigger in the next few months!!!
Looking at their website it's a little unclear.. Does the $25k price tag include the Whipple or just the raptor conversion? I see the Whipple package as a $12k option.
Simple answer: Ford has to meet corporate average fuel economy standards for their total fleet of new vehicles. A boosted V8 produced at any significant volume is going to impact those numbers.
claymorexl they don’t sell a sufficient volume of the Raptor to impact their average fuel in any meaningful way.
Uh no. Raptors are a drop in the bucket relative to all the vehicles ford sells. And the ecoboost get maybe a few better mpg than the V8.
claymorexl they don’t make enough Raptors to effect fuel economy standards even if it got 1 mpg. So that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I’ll talk to Trump so he can take care of this “efficiency” problem.
@@JAMESWUERTELE 🤣😂
I´m fully satisfied with my stock 2018 Raptor. Except for that Moon roof rattle. It´s a shame for Ford not to have that issue adressed after 4 years into production.
Hoimar von Ditfuth- Siefken no joke this is still happening? I know a guy on the TH-cam has a mod to fix this problem, however I figured it would be fixed by now. How bad is the noise?
I know how to fix it myself. But, it was the same on my ´15 Platinum, when new & I was shocked to be confronted with that same issue in 2018 again!
I take it you have a SCREW then. Not seen a problem on the SCAB moonroof, mine included. But seems nearly everyone with the panoramic has issues.
Hoimar von Ditfuth- Siefken , Keep an eye on that roof/especially the sunroof. They are known to leak and I had the issue on my 2015 Lariat as did a few other customers who had their trucks in for the same issue.
Fantastic build quality guys. In the suspension video you see that the sway link is not even tightened down.
That beast just sounds AWESOME!!! I would greatly love to own one!!
Ayeeeee Houston Texas! Represent!
Does it get the raptors transfer case and off road modes?
I'm thinking no. Conversion didn't have baja and sand modes, I reckon are specific to Raptor xfer case.
the single trucker that’s what I was thinking, no real loss. I wonder if floor shift transfer cases are still available on the f150, also wonder if they would do a single cab short bed for a nice balance of trail rig.
Amazing truck! I would love to see a Big Green challenge again in the near future!!!
I love it I’m getting one, an XLT model with the super charger!!!
I see a Lawsuit in the near future for them using the "Raptor" name.
T. Flan I was thinking the same...
Yeah considering it's not even a raptor
I don't think their that stupid, if they can put this truck together Lol. I'm sure they talk with Ford or work with them.
I questioned that, but I thought about how FoMoCo is selling trucks off the lot, and selling parts as well. If anything there’s a chance they’ll want to partner them as an outfitter like Tuscani, Saleen, Roush, etc.
Maybe instead of spending money on a law suit, ford will put a real motor in the raptor! Waiting on a V8 swapped GT lol
9:28 Check it out ♫
LOVE THAT V8 EXHAUST!
Too cool! Good for these guys putting in so much work to meet the need. Will see if Ford will ever bring back a V8. My guess is yes?
What an awesome video! I wish their was a location in Canada for this!
Nice choice of exhaust with the Corsa. V8 or nothing for me.
Pech Michael & Christina haha! that’s American brainwash right there!
That he says “a v8 swap on a raptor would be cost prohibitive, if not impossible” is a straight up LIE!!! It’s actually far simpler than all the work they’re doing and doesn’t run up the tab. All the electronics are programmable, you just flash them with v8 values.
Yeah he doesn't want people to know that. It would ruin his little business.
You can start it up then lol
Do a vid proving him wrong buddy!!
@@joengatoro500 exactly!!!...Where ya funds at???
Ppl talk shit but can't build one!!!
Do you have some of those stock wheels for sale? I’m looking for the platinum wheels
What app do you use for your elevation? Odd question I know LOL but I was curious
What about the rear end, and the frame. Those are different.
Exactly What I was thinking
Probably can’t jump it. The frame would probably get jacked.
Would also enjoy seeing someone actually push on the warranty
Bumpstop kits with frame braces are available. No need unless you are doing some serious jumps.
XxCoolKidXx boi if they call it a V8 Raptor it needs to be a full Raptor. Until then it’s a built 5.0 F150.
Badass truck! Supercharged 5.0! 😍 #Goals
rather buy the F-150 series with the real V8 Coyote engine
Luv the conversion! I want one
It's not an Ecoboost, but at least it won't have any carbon build-up on the valves! Excellent video Andre! It was awesome when you ran rings around the stock Raptor!
Lol I've got a 6.2 L supercharged raptor an it's making around 900 HP.
Great!
What’s your mpgs 👀
Glad you came out to my state! That said, I really wonder how many actual Gen 2 owners are asking for a V8. I've been a very active member of most (if not all) the Gen 2 Raptor forums since 2016, and basically no one dislikes the TTV6. Yeah, there are complaints about the sound, but nobody thinks switching to a V8 is worth the time or money. Be interesting to see how these sell, especially considering they are missing a lot of the G2 specific improvements (such as terrain management, Raptor specific tcase, etc)>>
Edit: To clarify, you're paying $40k more to get a heavier engine that's not much more powerful, and you lose out on the Aux switches, TMS, and several other things I can't think of at the moment. Baja mode changes the truck's handling SIGNFICANTLY - Sport mode 4H TC off doesn't begin to match it. First and most notable difference is braking parameters - it takes nearly 150% as much distance to stop in Normal/Sport mode offroad than it does in Mud/Sand/Baja.
yes, converting an f-150 does not make a Raptor.
So after watching and reading the comments, here are a few of my top concerns:
Driving modes: Do they add all of the raptors variable driving modes?
Weak frame: the raptors frame is beefier to accommodate jumps and hardcore off roading.
Price: it’s not bad, but if you want the special raptor interior or any of the upgrades, it’s the same if not more expensive.
Insurance: the truck is going to be insured at only the base truck price. It won’t include aftermarket upgrades, no matter how expensive those upgrades are. The only way I can see maybe getting it fully insured is if you bought the truck directly from them and had documented proof of the total price after upgrades. Ex: Roush, Shelby, RTR, all are bought already upgraded, and can be insured as that.
That exhaust is awesome and love the v8 raptor build
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Love it!
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For criminal Beto, who everyone in his district hated? No thanks.
Daniel Rocha-Garcia it’s awesome
@Cerberus I know two things about Beto.
1 he is Irish, conning people into thinking he's hispanic.
2 he is a douche bag socialist.
People complain about the economy but this shit is happening
I have a masters degree, two jobs, live like a pauper, and can't even afford a Prius. It amazes me when I see all the 20-somethings and 30-somethings with $70,000 pickup trucks.
Sell your soul to social media,like Jake Paul and Lele Pons..or make your brand and then sell out.
Simply awesome. Gotta have one
Very cool. I'd like to see more customizations of all trucks/cars.
Nice truck but it still doesn't have the Raptor frame. Not the same as a OEM Ford Raptor frame.
Mark Beier I was thinking the same thing!
bout to say that too, it doesnt have the reinforced frame that the raptor has.
How many raptor owners actually need it? I know there are some people that actually use them for what they were built for but 99% have em cause they look cool. What average guy pays 65k for a toy to beat the shit out of it?
@@rme5596 basically no one. Most people buy shit so the can say, "Look what I have" and that's it. They run their mouth but when get asked to prove it..I get "do you know how much this cost? I'm not doing that." Well, how do I know it's as Bad Ass as you say it is then? Oh, cause you said it is...well, it must be then, hahahaha. Ya know, cause you said so, hahaha. Hilariousness!
Hennessy just debuted a V8 RAPTOR
10 spd trans is new for Ford...zero history. Adding a super charger and 200hp seems like a durability nightmare! Only warranty is through the supercharger company. Suuuure
A variant of the 10 speed is used in the ZL1, but I agree that could be a problem.
@@mberger111 this raptor v8 is all aftermarket! If they tell u they know the trans calibration plus all the weaknesses that need addressed to handle 200 more hp in a 5500lb vehicle then u should run! They r bolting on very expensive parts hoping nobody breaks anything and Ford over built stuff,lmao.
Andy Hass I'm with ya. I own a 17 Raptor and wouldn't even consider this, but just wanted to state that it has technically been used in a high power vehicle although much lighter. Supposedly it is built to handle more power than the Raptor, but time will tell if that's true. Tons of power is cool, but also you'll never use that power off road anyway. With Gen 1 shocks and 750 HP, the suspension will always still be the limiting factor.
It wouldn't be a problem LMFAO I have seen 18 5.0 10r80 F-150 with a Whipple run 10.sec
billy heaton Haha that settles it then! No 10 speed will ever have an issue because Billy said he saw it once.
Sounds great, lots of power it looks like
10:15.. While he's revving it, I can hear people saying, "dude, rev it." I am! lmao.
No clearance, now you can hit that rock really hard !
Squeaky suspension @ 6:22 ? If I'm paying $7000+ for the Rapter suspension, I don't want squeaks lol !!!
Again @ 12:41
Eh, that's pretty normal. The Raptor uses the stock leafs, and they squeak if they get dirty or pretty much if they just want to make noise.
If I'm paying six figures for a truck, I don't want squeaks. That would drive me nuts !
Lithium grease or some silicone spray ( on the rubber suspension bushings) will take care of those squeaky areas under your truck.. 🤣
Have you ever drove a truck?
That truck looks and sounds badass! I really wish Ford would offer the Raptor with a V8 from the factory but this conversion costs the same as the 6 Cylinder Raptor anyway. 😎
Would likely spec a Lariat or Platinum with front & rear lockers, lifted with 37's, and a winch myself, Sounds Awesome, but an Option to add in some Diverters would be nice.
Don't forget the RAPTOR frame is stronger then the f150 frame
qball2000able tell that to the guys who bent them lol
We asked that question, and Paxpower says the difference is in the front shock mounts/towers.
The first two years of Raptor production had non-beefed up frames (they were standard F150 frames). the guys that bent them were hitting bar ditches at well over 80mph. The fact they only bent their frames is fortunate.
@T4nkc0mm4nd3r it ain't me,but they were fortunate sons..
The Fast Lane Truck thats not true the rear shocks mounts are reinforced especially on the LH side. Also gauging is different in the Raptor.
Clickbait, it's a f150 platinum converted not a V8 raptor supercharged
which is what a raptor should be
Love it but would definitely like to see an xlt or lariat version
The older Raptors only originally came with a V8. The current ones only have an Ecoboost V6 for now, but there are a few articles online that are now saying that Ford will now offer a 7.0L V8 for this truck once again. The engine will be built at Ford's Windsor, Ontario plant.
At over a $100.000 that is $30,000 more than a V6 Raptor. Sorry all that for a better exhaust note! I don't think so. I'm not racing anybody in a truck. Great job though.
And it’s not even as tough as a raptor!!
That's a lot of money to sound like a v8. I've been a v8 guy all my life. But , I like nearly silent exhaust,and slight turbo whine of my 3.5 EcoBoost. People look confused when I pass them. It humors me.
Timothy Ryan me too! My 2019 is so much fun at a stoplight when the right lane is short forcing a merge then some smartass thinks, oh I can beat this ol pickup then is explaining himself to his passenger how he had a change of heart and gave me a pass...
there are some nice exhausts for the Eco boost giving them wicked sound like a small diesel
*I love how small private companies like this grow to answer the obvious mistakes giant global corporate make when they ignore thier customers!* Way to go man, wishing you the highest success!!
Just buy a 2011-2014 raptor they are like 30-42k
You can get a 2010 for around the $20k range... But itll probably have the 5.4L
@@CarGuy5141 I had a 2010 xlt with the 5.4l..... cam phasers are a real thing.
& Put a super charge they are like 5k or 10k.. If you want more power.
Dont see the point in keeping the platinum tailgate.. looks tacky
Wow,that was awsome.die hard Ford guy and now I want one..lol I think I would go lariat for cost and do the custom upgrades instead..great video..
did you notice the loose sway bar bolt on the lower a-arm? the truck sounds great!
Obviously I’m a GM guy but I’ve never wanted a truck so bad!
First generation raptors were v8 🤔
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You mean were?
@@matttraxler3567 good looking didn't even notice that.
And they are blown out of the water by the Gen 2. Supercharged 6.2 Raptors generally can't keep up with stock Gen 2s, let alone tuned ones.
@@T4nkcommander That's mostly because the Gen 1 was a lot heavier and didn't have the torque of the TTV6. If Ford dropped a supercharged 5.0L in the new Raptor body most people would definitely choose it over the TTV6.
Gotta love the sound @ 9:34
This was awesome.
V8 power I love 8
I have absolutely no need for a raptor..but if I did, I'd do this. The stock raptor sounds like shit (even worse in person than in videos).
My left ear was pleased with the audio of this video
The new Raptor has a reinforced frame that the regular F-150 does not. I would ask if they can do that as well, if not people will be bending the frame or breaking mount points.
Only a second 0-60 faster for $25k? No thank you. Just supercharge a regular f150. It'll be quicker and cheaper
Nathan Salyers
That truck for "off-road" not racing
Unless I missed it, the stock raptor which they had a few feet away was not tested 0-60 with the solo in this particular review. Car and driver says 5.1 seconds for the 2018. I wonder if there is much difference 0-60 on pavement between the two.
You can get the Whipple for around $8k if all you want is the power gain. The modifications discussed in the video are for (supposedly) converting the truck to a Raptor.
If you were to mid travel your truck in an attempt at better drag strip times.. you'd be pretty dumb.
Actually even less than a second. The Raptor TFL tested was at altitude, which could make a difference as large as a second. So it's even closer than that...
Sounds just like the Hellcat.
Just go buy brand new 60k truck then send to us to put another 20 grand in it then u have raptor?
Can’t believe how wrapped around the axle some people are about sound. Loved my ‘13 Raptor, love my ‘18 Raptor even more. I’m more concerned with performance, not sound. Just need to tune mine and performance will be increase dramatically
I wish there wasn’t any music playing at 14:46 that Whipple 5.0 sounds crazy
because they built two, a 5.4 and 6.2 first gen. click bait.
5.4 has alot of problems
6.2 is heavy and underpowered for a performance truck capable of taking jumps.
I guess u never change spark plugs. They snap off. Look it up. I had problems just like everyone else. Even shops will tell u they will
I guess ur the lucky one or never changed them. They snap off .its proven
Have no problems with ur timing either 😂
The 3.5 was designed around boost the 5.0 would be stressed
5.0L would be stressed 🤣🤣🤣 Shelby F150 has the same Supercharger putting out 758HP on the same 5.0L engine and same trans. My 2017 Roush F150 has Roush 2.3L Phase 1 supercharger putting out 600HP ... no problem on the engine and trans.
This is so amazing.
@ 14:38 you can spot the sway bar end link not being properly secured to the lower control arm.