I've brewed some V60s, gave it a thought and have a definite answer on both products. Their design addresses some issues for daily brewers. Although they're a nice to have, but not a must. Here's why: - The cup - to always have a designated recepticle for your beans or even grounds, to skip zeroing in the weight every time. - The double-scale - to stop double guessing how much water your grounds retain and always brew in a 1:15 or 1:16 ratio. TL:DR The cup is a good adition to reach a minimalistic setup - less objects on your table. Plus - no sharing of scales between coffee beans/grounds and caraffe. Which is nice! The double-scale is required more than people think. To prove this - please measure the weight of your liquid after brewing. You will be surprised, that you may be 20-30 grams short of what you thought you had in there. Which can be a major factor in the taste you get in your coffee cup.
I bought these scales because I was frustrated with constantly switching between espresso mode and normal mode. With the scales the author showed, you have to click three times, and they often don't work on the first try, so i have to click like 10 times to switch and then again after. So, I decided to use a dedicated scale in espresso mode on the coffee machine and a separate scale to measure beans (subminimal cup). The only potential downside is not being able to measure milk easily. I know I could measure it in the same cup, but I don’t want to mix these things. I'll have to check how well this setup works!
There can't be a home barista alive who hasn't imagined using something like the subliminal. We're going to be making coffee in the year three thousand 😂
What about a reverse scale ? Let's say you have 500gr of something on this "scale container", the baseline is now "0". So if you remove 100gr from it, the container balance will say "100gr". That way you can use it as a container AND a scale at the same time.
The Timemore Duo has been on my wishlist for a while as I love the aesthetic of a pourover v60 stand but up until now I've had to awkwardly balance the stand with mug, v60 and coffee on the scales whilst still trying to see the screen! Its definitely a vanity purchase but the job it does it does well.
Niche use for the subscale for me.... I make 2x doubles for a thermas every morning on a vs6 / bianca combo. Brewing into this everyday will test its longevity. I will be 3d printing a TPU usbc cap to try and help...
I was lucky enough to visit a competitive brewer's coffee shop who had a prototype Timemore Duo. He explained that he cared more about the weight of the liquid output than the liquid input, but he still wanted to monitor the flow rate of water going into the coffee bed vs leaving the coffee bed and the amount of water being retained in the grounds. I don't quite remember, but I think he was previously doing some quick mental math while watching the weight of the liquid output before this scale was invented. If I had one of these, I think I would use it to help me decide whether I want to do a final extra pour at the end. Sometimes, I smell some fruity and floral smells remaining in the coffee bed after I reach my target water weight, so I do a small extra pour to try to wash some of those flavors from the coffee bed into my cup. I will especially consider this if I know my ratio was already short and that my resulting cup won't be too watery. If I notice that there's a lot of water still retained in the coffee bed, that might also make me feel less bad about adding more water to try to get more drinkable liquid at the end.
Dear coffee cronicler, I watch your videos in Germany. In youtube Germany the title of this video is „AA1 Ausgefallene Schuppen FC“. „Ausgefallene Schuppen“ are fallen out dandruff. The white little powder falling out of some people‘s hair. The translation is totally wrong. Did youtube translate this?
I got the subscale for single dosing. Objectively it is a "bad choice", as the scale is kind of useless for many other usecases as pour over. As an additional scale however I love it. But if you do not have any scale at all, this is not the one I would recommend
Not sure I get the value of the Subscale. For one, it requires I have a separate scale for brewing if I want to measure the water as I pour it in. For me I put my grinder on my scale/timer, zero it and add the beans. So this almost seems like having another thing for the sake of having another thing.
For me (Germany) the title directly translates to "AA1 fallen off dandruff FC"... is that due to TH-cam auto title translate feature or what's going on here haha?
Aside from the Espresso example I see two other valid cases of daily use of the Subminimal. In my case, I use two scales. One next to my grinder for dosing, and one next to my kettle for pourover. In this case Subminimal is the perfect dosing scale and container in one. Aesthetically and workflow wise, perfect with something like Ode 2. Another one is for those who use Automatic drip machines like Moccamaster or Aiden. They only need one scale, for dosing, and this is a great option for them.
Sorry subminimal but we really don't need more single purpose e-waste. Especially after getting the nanofoamer pro which has so many issues and can't be easily repaired..
I think the Timemore Duo isn't new I think it had a rebrand but I am sure I saw it on Aliexpress when I bought my black mirror scales a few years ago. I also remember sprometheus had a video with them in on the orea dripper a couple of years ago. th-cam.com/video/hxYf17eHj-I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xhVjrky6RDC73jf2 I actually think it is a great idea, and I would be tempted to buy them.
first of all, that is not an innovation. you can buy scale spoons at discounters that are more precise than this and cheaper. it is just decadent because you still need another scale
If you brew into the subminimal and drink from it you can measure your sip size which might be a objective measurement of quality in some universe 😅
Genius, why didn't I consider that, LOL
@@atzedevries9563 well, exaclty the same procedure when you brew into a cup on a scale.
Take it, sip- same measurement ;-)
I'm going to place this with the acaia coffee grounds laser beam in the "scamming wealthy neurodivergent coffee drinkers" category
I've brewed some V60s, gave it a thought and have a definite answer on both products.
Their design addresses some issues for daily brewers. Although they're a nice to have, but not a must. Here's why:
- The cup - to always have a designated recepticle for your beans or even grounds, to skip zeroing in the weight every time.
- The double-scale - to stop double guessing how much water your grounds retain and always brew in a 1:15 or 1:16 ratio.
TL:DR
The cup is a good adition to reach a minimalistic setup - less objects on your table. Plus - no sharing of scales between coffee beans/grounds and caraffe. Which is nice!
The double-scale is required more than people think. To prove this - please measure the weight of your liquid after brewing. You will be surprised, that you may be 20-30 grams short of what you thought you had in there. Which can be a major factor in the taste you get in your coffee cup.
I bought these scales because I was frustrated with constantly switching between espresso mode and normal mode. With the scales the author showed, you have to click three times, and they often don't work on the first try, so i have to click like 10 times to switch and then again after.
So, I decided to use a dedicated scale in espresso mode on the coffee machine and a separate scale to measure beans (subminimal cup). The only potential downside is not being able to measure milk easily. I know I could measure it in the same cup, but I don’t want to mix these things. I'll have to check how well this setup works!
There can't be a home barista alive who hasn't imagined using something like the subliminal. We're going to be making coffee in the year three thousand 😂
What about a reverse scale ?
Let's say you have 500gr of something on this "scale container", the baseline is now "0". So if you remove 100gr from it, the container balance will say "100gr". That way you can use it as a container AND a scale at the same time.
The Timemore Duo has been on my wishlist for a while as I love the aesthetic of a pourover v60 stand but up until now I've had to awkwardly balance the stand with mug, v60 and coffee on the scales whilst still trying to see the screen! Its definitely a vanity purchase but the job it does it does well.
Niche use for the subscale for me.... I make 2x doubles for a thermas every morning on a vs6 / bianca combo. Brewing into this everyday will test its longevity. I will be 3d printing a TPU usbc cap to try and help...
Does the Duo suffer from the Pro's hyper sensitive touch buttons that activate even when your finger isn't actually touching the surface?
I was lucky enough to visit a competitive brewer's coffee shop who had a prototype Timemore Duo. He explained that he cared more about the weight of the liquid output than the liquid input, but he still wanted to monitor the flow rate of water going into the coffee bed vs leaving the coffee bed and the amount of water being retained in the grounds. I don't quite remember, but I think he was previously doing some quick mental math while watching the weight of the liquid output before this scale was invented.
If I had one of these, I think I would use it to help me decide whether I want to do a final extra pour at the end. Sometimes, I smell some fruity and floral smells remaining in the coffee bed after I reach my target water weight, so I do a small extra pour to try to wash some of those flavors from the coffee bed into my cup. I will especially consider this if I know my ratio was already short and that my resulting cup won't be too watery. If I notice that there's a lot of water still retained in the coffee bed, that might also make me feel less bad about adding more water to try to get more drinkable liquid at the end.
Dear coffee cronicler,
I watch your videos in Germany. In youtube Germany the title of this video is „AA1 Ausgefallene Schuppen FC“. „Ausgefallene Schuppen“ are fallen out dandruff. The white little powder falling out of some people‘s hair.
The translation is totally wrong.
Did youtube translate this?
I got the subscale for single dosing.
Objectively it is a "bad choice", as the scale is kind of useless for many other usecases as pour over.
As an additional scale however I love it. But if you do not have any scale at all, this is not the one I would recommend
That makes sense! Feel the same pretty much.
Not sure I get the value of the Subscale. For one, it requires I have a separate scale for brewing if I want to measure the water as I pour it in. For me I put my grinder on my scale/timer, zero it and add the beans. So this almost seems like having another thing for the sake of having another thing.
For me (Germany) the title directly translates to "AA1 fallen off dandruff FC"... is that due to TH-cam auto title translate feature or what's going on here haha?
It even charges like the Magic Mouse.
Flair also made a new cup scale, which I thought was strange...I love to see new things coming out, but I can't see scale cups catching on.
Their model seems a bit fiddly. My guess is the Subscale is the only one with a chance of carving a niche out for itself.
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The new Varia AKU(like "accu-rate") Pro and Mini are the new standard, imo. The screens and the modes are supreme.
I wasn't familiar with them, but it seems like it's pretty similar to the likes of Timemore Nano and SearchPean, just a bit more expensive?
Does the subscale fit in the fellow ode?
No, too tall. But aesthetically it's a good fit.
Aside from the Espresso example I see two other valid cases of daily use of the Subminimal.
In my case, I use two scales. One next to my grinder for dosing, and one next to my kettle for pourover. In this case Subminimal is the perfect dosing scale and container in one. Aesthetically and workflow wise, perfect with something like Ode 2.
Another one is for those who use Automatic drip machines like Moccamaster or Aiden. They only need one scale, for dosing, and this is a great option for them.
Sorry subminimal but we really don't need more single purpose e-waste. Especially after getting the nanofoamer pro which has so many issues and can't be easily repaired..
I guess every barista in a kissaten is eccentric, now.
To be honest, they always were ;)
I think the Timemore Duo isn't new I think it had a rebrand but I am sure I saw it on Aliexpress when I bought my black mirror scales a few years ago. I also remember sprometheus had a video with them in on the orea dripper a couple of years ago. th-cam.com/video/hxYf17eHj-I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xhVjrky6RDC73jf2 I actually think it is a great idea, and I would be tempted to buy them.
You're right about that. I remember seeing a similar one in China years back, which I think also could connect to Bluetooth.
first of all, that is not an innovation. you can buy scale spoons at discounters that are more precise than this and cheaper. it is just decadent because you still need another scale
PLEASE do not translate your titles. The german title makes no sense.
I think this is something TH-cam is doing automatically. I'm not sure I can prevent it.
@@coffeechronicler ah okay, thank you!
Its so annyoing. If I set english as default language, it translates the german titles...