Anyone who's new to the NAS scene has got to hear this, it's a good talk. While Synology's first-party software is great, I'm someone who likes to containerize all of my servers, so that advantage doesn't mean much to me. I want value on the hardware and QNAP's got me there
While i agree with you those that do this are a minority of NAS users. If you are the power user that you seem to be then you shouldn't be doing these containers on a QNAP you should just build an actual server for this.
I have been looking for Google photo alternatives and recently moved to QNAP because of Intel CPU/ 2.5gbe.. but so far my overall experience of media consumption doesnt meet expectations... Not sure if I should have considered Synology for its slick-software design (despite AMD CPU/1Gbe/ lack of PLEX qSync). My QNAP thoughts: Wish I could just watch all photo/videos on a PC-Web browser like Google photos, but instead had to install multiple QNAP apps, that partially shares the same functionality. End of the day, it's confusing to keep in my head which app to open for the specific purposes (create albums, watch videos, scroll photos, or both). Usually endup jumping between the apps below🤦♂: ✅QuMaggie Pros: Ai recognition and same Google Photos "scrolling" appearance (no boundaries between photo edges) ✅QuMaggie Web Cons: doesnt play HEVC video!!!!!!!! 😫 with the "The Video does not support online playback or does not exists" error. (I have bought Cayin MediaSign Player and already spent some time on internet without any luck). ☑ QuMaggie app: Managed to play HEVC video after purchase and installation of Cayin MediaSign Player but it feels sluggish (feels like still transcodes video); ✅ PhotoStation Pros: better slideshow animations and managed to play HEVC videos. ❌ PhotoStation Cons: No AI recognition. Overall outdated and not so user-friendly design. ❌ QPhoto App: Doesn't support HEVC video playback both on Android and iOs. ❌ VideoStation: At some point, it has been required to be installed for transcoding purposes. In fact, I Never open this app or watch media after installation and setup. (PLEX user). QNAP, please please combine all functionalities to have a Single app for a basic Photo-Video browsing experience similar to Google photos.
Watched all the way through. Reviewed QNAP and Synology 9 years ago and decided on QNAP with no regrets. Main reasons. Extreme hardware reliability. Flexibility to add non QNAP he Excellent Tech Support They add new CCTV cameras on request Very easy to use Great free SW especially HBS3 and QuMagie
Interesting conversation. Perhaps having a QNAP advocate would've balanced things a little, though. Understandably, Rob rather tried to be impartial. I'm with Rob about the 2.5GbE point - and I'd like to add, not only 2.5GbE switches and routers become more and more common, but PC motherboards routinely include 2.5GbE NICs. Why not more than double your transfer speeds, instead of having to choose between slow and expensive? I would also give QNAP (I'm a QNAP user by the way) another big point on the NVMe SSDs for storage - and they're *not* asking you to buy expensive QNAP-branded SSDs for that (like Synology does). There's a caveat, though: even if your system pool is on SSDs, your HDDs will still refuse to stay in sleep mode. (not sure if Synology is any better).
Agree it would have been interesting to have an IT professional that is using QNAP to discuss it in production in the mix. We used QNAP at my old job and IT was big with them... Also agree that 2.5 GBe is the way to go, just updated everything and it costed about as much as 1GBe, totally worth it and the speed is very noticeable. The other point which should have been discussed is the price, and give an example of one QNAP and Synology (maybe the 464 and the 923) with 10 GBe, 16 gigs ram, 2 1 TB NVME (WD red for the QNAP and Synology on the Synology). The price is a major consideration especially with the supply and inflation world. Someone posted that the 2 bay Synology would be almost 2k for 32 gbe ram, 10gbe... If that is true, I would just get the full intel QNAP and be done with it...
As a typical home user using my NAS for Plex and the odd file storage I don't need NvME or any more than 1Gbe.... But I do need integrated graphics and easy to use OS. So criticising Synology for not having more than 1Gbe is, I would suggest, irrelevant for 99.9% home users. They are a huge percentage of the NAS market for 2 or 4 bay devices. In many respects I think it comes down to those integrated graphics. Without that it's hard to support Synology's latest moves like the 723/923 until they launch more consumer focussed NAS boxes
@topgazza nailed it. I used to think 10 gigabits would be a nice. But all I had to do was take a slight look into it and realized that my whole network is 1 GbE(with the exception of future proof to prevent interference and flexibility with category 8 cabling). To make it truly worth it, would cost an absorbent amount of money on not just the network backbone(10-port switch, access point(s), but upgrading pretty much every device that I'd like to support that standard. Sure there is the bandwidth aspect but for me there is rarely more than two people using my NAS at any given time. I Don't see my (4) 10TB HDD RAID 10 ARRAY saturating 10 GbE on my DS920+ or the newer DS923+.
@@geesehoward7261 also a lot depends on your raid configuration and what type of storage you use as I don't think my storage would saturate a 10 GBE connection
Both QNAP & Synology should improve their security and their responses to security-incidents. Both QNAP & Synology have a fair amount of CVE's behind their names. I do agree QNAP thumbled quite a bit, but I believe that because security is not really mandated enough, one could argue there was some complacency in the past. Including the users themselves, quite often indeed. In short, if you want a technical solution and don't mind to tinker (sometimes) extensively with the countless settings, QNAP is IMHO the better solution. QNAP is the more flexible brand, look at the list of compatible expansions, including 3rd party. QNAP is upsetting when it comes to licensing, particular their software (including their own & 3rd party) Synology is the way better brand when you want a smooth(er) experience without the needs to be a NAS expert. But also with some caveats regarding hardware and compatibility. (or as I translate it: lockdown of compatible hardware). Synology is the "Apple" ecosystem but also the same (very expensive) pricing. (and often underwhelming hardware IMHO, sorry) Synology seems to be quite a bit more conservative with their software, releases and patching. But I think they are choosing for stability, evolution versus revolution. Every brand, QNP & Synology in this case, has its pros and cons, it is up to the user what fits their needs, demands & requirements. Where it moght be that one brand fits you better than the other brand(s). I myself had chosen Synology for a family-member but have been using QNAP more then a decade already. I would not chose Synology myself as I see way too many red flags. (enforced choices/no freedom etc) But there are plenty of nuisances with QNAP too, it just depends on your acceptance-levels. I always look but never accepted Synology and therefore we have now 30+ QNAP's implemented.. BTW, you are going to the same session with a (independant) QNAP advocate?
@@InspectorGadget2014 idk man, i can only speak for qnap here but it seems like everytime someone gets hit by deadbolt or any other attack the response on reddit and the support forum is always something to the extend of "those devices arent safe and thats known so its on you" or "dont expose a qnap nas to the internet" etc. i got my first nas a bit over a year ago and to me it seems like the community just thinks that those security issues are "normal" and just part of the product.
@@adacPROKYON Anything connected to the internet can be hacked, eventually. Your security is only as good as your last update. Deadbolt was a serious flaw (in PhotoStation) that was resolved by keeping your QNAP updated, including the Apps. Next to some good security-practices. Such as turning off UPnP in your network, (=both on your QNAP as well as on your internet-router) port-fowarding and such. Enable only what you need and disable the rest. Good security not only needs to come, in this example, from QNAP but indeed also from the users themselves. As today's secured environment might be tomorrow's Swiss cheese (=holes), it is just a matter of time (and opportunity). There is no such thing as 100% secure when connected to the internet. We all have a responsibility in that and shouldn't rely on only manufacturers to take care of everything. Common sense is for the common good. Next-next-okay and be done with it setting-up your NAS is a complacency that will eventually bring you great sorrows. Which does not take away that manufacturers have a responsibility and QNAP thumbled with some of the incidents. You as a user should be concerned about security (too) obviously and regularly need to review if your posture is good enough, be vigilant and ensure you are practicing the security as is needed. For today and for tomorrow.
Great video, please do make a Synology active backup video next! Surveillance advantages aside C2 or Backblaze as cost effective cloud backup for around 10 TB of photo/video data?
I am fan of this channel but your guest seems like a Synology's spokesperson (yes I have heard the disclaimer at the beginning) Around 15:46 To say that 2.5gb is irrelevant ("it is either 1gb or 10gb") is a beyond stupid argument. I am not saying Synology hasn't got its strong point, they obviously do. But how can you say you are happy that they moved away from the home user segment by adding AMD without a decent hardware transcoder? AMD has great APUs that would have been better than the embedded R1600 I just wonder why Synology apparently now hates home-media users? This must be a very important market segment. You want to release something more business orientated by launching the DS x23? Sure! But why not release in parallel something more home-media orientated? Even if it is more "power hungry". What would that imply? From 10w to 15w? That is nothing! People buy Geforce RTX4090 that consume 400w+ and leave it on for days on end. I truly think that Synology is missing out on a big segment by clearly abandoning home-media users.
I have a few synology devices and some hit the 108TB per volume limit a while back necessitating multiple volumes and splitting folder structure/shares, does qnap have the same limitations? can i get a 12 bay and fill with 12 x 22TB drives and run as 1 singular volume?
For someone new to using a NAS that wants to edit 4K Raw videos. What’s the pick? It seems like it’s still Qnap even though the UI isn’t as good. What should I pick? Qnap h874x, or something from synology?
I'm one of the 8 or 9 that are still awake. Up next I have your nearly 85 minute DS923+ video. I was about to get a DS920+ then I heard about the 923 being recently released. From the quick look I did it wasn't obvious if it had hardware acceleration and I want to use it for among other things, running my Plex server so I'd need the hardware acceleration for transcoding 4K HEVC files for those who can't play them as is.
I’ve worked technical support for the largest storage companies in sillicon valley. These are multi million dollar mission critical storage systems. I won’t mention the company names , but if you’ve worked in the valley you will know who they are . This said I’ve synology NAS systems at home and for clients when I do jobs on the side . The. Synonlogy hardware is solid and the software is also reliable and easy to use . Recently I decided to get my first qnap and I picked up the qnap TS-664 . I also got the two NVme cards and 16g of rams to max out the system . I’ll be honest and say that I did not like the qnap software on the system and installed Truenas core on the system . Let me tell you something . Truenas on the TS-664 has to be one of the hidden secrets . Because This turns the TS-664 into a powerhouse with features that rival some of the enterprise systems I’ve worked on . This device is super fast and stable and it runs plex and various other applications . I love it and I’m Planning to get another box to do replications . My thought is if you just want a system which you don’t want to experiment with and has great software features then synology is your man. However if you want a system you can experiment with and upgrade then QNAP is your man . If you also want a home or business system with features that rival those of enterprise systems then QNAP with TRUENAs is a no brainer . I have a few of Dell poweredge severs at home running Vcenter and the QNAP has replaced two of them 😂 I will continue to use both Synology and Qnap . However this is my first time using qnap and I’m amazed at how powerful this little Qnap system is .
I think I can summarise for you guys, If you are newbie in network attach storage, only need 1GB network connections, don't use Plex, and more important than all of this don't intend to make ANY upgrade, I mean exactly like Apple you want the machine default from the vendor ( like apple they will charge you a kidney for any upgrade ) then you can go with Synology, ANY other case, just go with QNAP or any other vendor for that matter. Personally, I'm done with Synology.
@@pbrigham Having hardcoded passwords and access tokens in the software is laughable. No excuses there.. This is not a user error and it happened more than one time and the really bad thing about qnap is they do not take care of its users. that says a lot..
@@SaiyanJin85 yup,I agree with that, thats why I don't have any NAS, QNAP or Synology directly connected to the internet, if is connected to the internet is not a Backup anymore, as I said if you are a newbie go with Synology, myself I'm done with them, for those prices I will chose any other vendor every time.
Here is another argument for you: The R1600 just doesn't cut it... especially if we are talking home use. Watch QNAP install an Intel 1210U in their next lineup and pitch it again a R1600. See what happens... (yes, I know it would be more expensive but if the value is there people will buy it) Power is actually half on a 1210U and at least double the performance. (check passmark for the numbers) I can't be the only one seeing this (or something similar to this) coming up soon-ish.
I never have been a fan of the Ryzens, they run to hot and hungry. My sense is that they are cheap and if you want the most profit, they are the way to go...
They could do that of course but then the price would go up. Which would you prefer? They spend their internal money on their software development and cut back on the hardware.
I just recently bought a new 6-bay NAS to make use of some spinners I had lying around. I almost bought a QNAP, but in the end, SHR was the deciding factor. Having the flexibility of being able to run a RAID with mixed capacity is simply too useful. I don't actually care about a lot of the software features on Synology, namely anything that involves exposing my NAS to anything outside the local network, but for what I am using, I'm willing to put up with the weaker hardware and higher cost. The way I have things configured, I'm not likely to ever saturate a 1000 base-T connection anyway, so one gig ethernet is fine.
MATE! You are way too generous! 2nd donation in a week. Also, no need to thank me for mentioning you, your email highlighted a good couple of points that I will DEFINITELY be highlighting a few future vids! Have a great weekend.
Some 2 years ago I bought a QNAP NAS. When trying to get the QNAP NAS "working" it was dead. Went back to the shop and when coming back and trying to get that QNAP up and running it was also dead. So back to the shop and got ANOTHER QNAP NAS. Guess what happened? Absolutely nothing! So back to the shop and got a Synology DS920+ and it worked within minutes
Have been using synology for years no problems. First Qnap I just got was junk. Pressed the power button and nothing. When talking to support they claimed it to be a power supply failure, but LED on mobo and Ethernet on. Then they said MOBO failure, yet Ethernet is getting LED. They are very untrained contacting support is a pain, and their website is crap. STAY AWAY FROM QNAP.
I'm LIKE Both, cuz a can use them in different porpoises, because both companies went to separates ways, and i made 3 NAS way to get the best of the worlds. 1.- I get Qnap NAS to use as Media PLEX. 2.- I get Synology NAS to get files Transfer, Media content Devices, Devices secure Backups and Clones, Sync.... and 3.- Important Synology NAS to Copy Save Off-site the Two NAS in use for Secure Data
While I have a Synology DS918+, I feel like Synology is basically the Apple of NAS vendors. It's praised to the sky for being the most user friendly, but I feel like the "newbie UI" just gets in my way and doesn't give me the tools I need at all. I have a Bash script to edit the .moustache files to replace the ports 80 / 443 with 81 / 444 so I can free up those ports for the LSIO swag container, as Synology's built in nginx isn't as good and just gets in my way. The only Synology first parties I'm using are the basic stuff like Hyper Backup, Snapshot Replication, and Active Insight, plus the basic stuff like Package Center(only thing I really installed with it was Docker) and Storage Manager when I need to check on the disks. This is particularly true nowadays as Synology's hardware lockout tendencies are very Apple-like. That being said, QNAP isn't really an option for me either, as I absolutely refuse to go without btrfs or ZFS, and their ZFS units are at a price point where you could just build a custom rackmounted server in a 3U chassis and install TrueNAS Scale for a similar price.
i had qnaps boxes for dc use all of them has problems hardware. in the other had i have 2 fs3600 4 years now with now problem at all. my opinion is qnap has hardware power and synology has software and hardware quality i vote synology
I watched this when it came out, but i watch so many of your videos I may be confusing it with another but I think your guest is the one that mentioned pihole on docker, I'll have to go back and watch this video again just because it was so good. Anyways, I have never used docker and never heard of pihole, but both are amazing! I got docker and pihole installed last night on my DS920+ and so far it is quite impressive. Most of the ads are gone, especially the obnoxious ones. I'll have to look more into docker, but it seems pretty cool at being able to sandbox 3rd party apps to use on my DS920+. The longer I have this device the more I learn how useful it can be. I'm totally in love with my NAS after having it about a year. Could never go back to using cloud services. Thanks for your videos.
Stumbled on this video after picking up a Synology for my dad. Great breakdown. Personally I'll be sticking to TrueNAS because of the flexibility and ZFS support. Really feels like a missed opportunity with how performant and stable ZFS is over BTRFS for Synology, especially given how easy and cheap RAM upgrades are these days. Do have to say thought that DSM is much easier for my family to understand, given the similarity to Windows, and the descriptions being built into the service pages rather than having to click the documentation button on TrueNAS.
Watched the whole thing through. I'm new to this stuff and had to do a little searching online for a few things they talked about but they actually made things quite clear even for a home user who doesn't know this stuff.
The last two bookmarks on this video in TH-cam say 'Summary: Why go Synology?' and 'Summary: Why go QNAP?' - but there is NO such last segment, just you guys thanking your contributors and viewers. Where is your 'Why go QNAP' wrap-up part? Did you actually do one, or was the conclusion 'b*gg!r QNAP, go Synology all the way!!'?
I’m not sure if you’ve changed your codec, but this video is unwatchable on an Nvidia shield pro. What are you and Videos think are out by at least 15 seconds. Looks OK on a chrome browser..
Thanks for all your videos. From your experience do you think that Synology will improve the current Synology Photos to something equal to Qnaps QuMagie where you will have better face and object recognition? What is in your opinion better right now QuMagie or Synology Photos? Do you think that Synology will refresh the CPUs in a year or two not sure what is Synology's refresh cycle...
Thank you for your generous donation buddy - rest assured, it will go directly into making more content. Thanks for being awesome and supporting content creators!!! Regarding your question, 1 I think Synology WILL add subject recognition eventually (it was in the app Moments, before), but I think it will be added as Synology integrates AI services more. Then it will end up back, more as a case of developing convenience, than specific targeted design in new updates. Regarding CPUs, I have had several instances of information being sent that confirm a Synology NAS series that is more graphically enabled (i.e. what the previous generations of 2/4 bay PLUS units were) for Q2 (maybe v early Q3, i.e Sept) of this year. But none of the sources are happy to be quoted and one source is one that I would like to remain unknown (so future info is possible). Hopefully something more publicly sharable will be possible soon. Hope this helps bud and thanks again for supporting me + Ed at NC!
Is EXT faster than ZFS? I am seeing slower performance from it compared to an older Synology running BTRFS. If it is, I would like to swtich my NAS (H674) back to EXT before I get a lot of data on it.
I can't really comment on QNAP's implementation, but it shouldn't be. With TrueNAS Scale and ZFS you can max out a 10 Gbps connection if the array is about 12 drives or bigger. But I would choose Asustor over QNAP because I refuse to use ext4 and want either ZFS or btrfs.
Thank you so much for the great review I work on the media sector and I made my decision to go with Qnap because of the software advantage I'm still looking for more informations in term of speed of downloading and uploading to Qnap comparing to dropbox..
Thank you for your incredibly generous donation Jameel. It's massively appreciated. I know I say this a lot online, but it bears repeating... Too many people assume content creators are making 'loads' from ad revenue or affiliated links. Unfortunately, the reality is that this money simply is not enough to support the range/level/frequency of content we make! It's donations like yours, made through genuinely good nature and appreciation for the content we create, that really gives us incredible motivation. Thank you so much and I hope you have a fantastic week bud!
To your question (1:03:00) as to being on the fence, I think that people watching to this point aren’t really on the fence about which, but looking to get confirmation that their choice was “right” and that they didn’t miss out some feature that they weren’t aware of. I have a TruNAS PC that I cobbled together from left over upgraded components. I am not by any means a networking professional,heck I am barely up to the level you’d call a novice… I have a basic shared network drive running on there; nothing vitally important because I cannot figure out the configs for automatic backups, or really remote saving of my kid’s gaming videos. Thats why I wanted a shared network drive in the first place so I can easily access his videos to edit them so he can share with his friends on TH-cam… Because I do not have the grey matter to really dig into the ZFS and TruNAS structures, I am planning on getting a Synology, either the 923+ or the 1522+.
@@josephbhumphrey TrueNAS has a reputation of being user UNfriendly. Synology's DSM and QNAP's QTS/QuTS Hero have a reputation of being user friendly. In particular, with QuTS Hero you won't even have to know what's a vdev, a dataset - such details are hidden by the GUI. If you want ZFS but without the pain of managing a TrueNAS, QuTS Hero can be a good option. (well, from what I understand you don't actually want ZFS).
So which brand (and specific 2 bay nas if possible) would be best for a newbie who wants to use it for home use and just cares most about storage and streaming videos, and doesn’t want it to be loud?
My Synology 920+ is what I use for pretty much exactly what you’re asking for. I use it to stream videos to all my devices and and as a central repository for all my files. Make sure it has hardware transcoding like the 920+. In a two bay I think maybe the 720+ is the comparable one. Just make sure it’s got the celeron with graphics.
@@brianhansen6906 Thank you for the advice. So I was thinking about getting the new QNAP TS-262 (with two 14TB wd red plus hard drives). Would that be a good one? I was also thinking about waiting until Synology released their DS223+. Would that be better?
@@cvdavis Thank you for your suggestion, but I think I need a NAS for what I’m trying to have it do. I want to use it as data storage, but also stream videos from it as well. I might have this wrong, but with a DAS, I wouldn’t be able to connect to it and stream video files from it to a TV in another room or anywhere else aside from where the DAS is connected (like at a friend’s house), right?
@@santoryususanoo7609 Yeah you don't want a DAS. You might want a plex nas system. Plex is a system for sharing you own video content with various people.
Anyone who's new to the NAS scene has got to hear this, it's a good talk. While Synology's first-party software is great, I'm someone who likes to containerize all of my servers, so that advantage doesn't mean much to me. I want value on the hardware and QNAP's got me there
While i agree with you those that do this are a minority of NAS users. If you are the power user that you seem to be then you shouldn't be doing these containers on a QNAP you should just build an actual server for this.
I have been looking for Google photo alternatives and recently moved to QNAP because of Intel CPU/ 2.5gbe.. but so far my overall experience of media consumption doesnt meet expectations... Not sure if I should have considered Synology for its slick-software design (despite AMD CPU/1Gbe/ lack of PLEX qSync).
My QNAP thoughts: Wish I could just watch all photo/videos on a PC-Web browser like Google photos, but instead had to install multiple QNAP apps, that partially shares the same functionality. End of the day, it's confusing to keep in my head which app to open for the specific purposes (create albums, watch videos, scroll photos, or both). Usually endup jumping between the apps below🤦♂:
✅QuMaggie Pros: Ai recognition and same Google Photos "scrolling" appearance (no boundaries between photo edges)
✅QuMaggie Web Cons: doesnt play HEVC video!!!!!!!! 😫 with the "The Video does not support online playback or does not exists" error. (I have bought Cayin MediaSign Player and already spent some time on internet without any luck).
☑ QuMaggie app: Managed to play HEVC video after purchase and installation of Cayin MediaSign Player but it feels sluggish (feels like still transcodes video);
✅ PhotoStation Pros: better slideshow animations and managed to play HEVC videos.
❌ PhotoStation Cons: No AI recognition. Overall outdated and not so user-friendly design.
❌ QPhoto App: Doesn't support HEVC video playback both on Android and iOs.
❌ VideoStation: At some point, it has been required to be installed for transcoding purposes. In fact, I Never open this app or watch media after installation and setup. (PLEX user).
QNAP, please please combine all functionalities to have a Single app for a basic Photo-Video browsing experience similar to Google photos.
Watched all the way through. Reviewed QNAP and Synology 9 years ago and decided on QNAP with no regrets. Main reasons.
Extreme hardware reliability.
Flexibility to add non QNAP he
Excellent Tech Support
They add new CCTV cameras on request
Very easy to use
Great free SW especially HBS3 and QuMagie
Interesting conversation. Perhaps having a QNAP advocate would've balanced things a little, though. Understandably, Rob rather tried to be impartial.
I'm with Rob about the 2.5GbE point - and I'd like to add, not only 2.5GbE switches and routers become more and more common, but PC motherboards routinely include 2.5GbE NICs. Why not more than double your transfer speeds, instead of having to choose between slow and expensive?
I would also give QNAP (I'm a QNAP user by the way) another big point on the NVMe SSDs for storage - and they're *not* asking you to buy expensive QNAP-branded SSDs for that (like Synology does). There's a caveat, though: even if your system pool is on SSDs, your HDDs will still refuse to stay in sleep mode. (not sure if Synology is any better).
Agree it would have been interesting to have an IT professional that is using QNAP to discuss it in production in the mix. We used QNAP at my old job and IT was big with them... Also agree that 2.5 GBe is the way to go, just updated everything and it costed about as much as 1GBe, totally worth it and the speed is very noticeable. The other point which should have been discussed is the price, and give an example of one QNAP and Synology (maybe the 464 and the 923) with 10 GBe, 16 gigs ram, 2 1 TB NVME (WD red for the QNAP and Synology on the Synology). The price is a major consideration especially with the supply and inflation world. Someone posted that the 2 bay Synology would be almost 2k for 32 gbe ram, 10gbe... If that is true, I would just get the full intel QNAP and be done with it...
As a typical home user using my NAS for Plex and the odd file storage I don't need NvME or any more than 1Gbe....
But I do need integrated graphics and easy to use OS. So criticising Synology for not having more than 1Gbe is, I would suggest, irrelevant for 99.9% home users. They are a huge percentage of the NAS market for 2 or 4 bay devices. In many respects I think it comes down to those integrated graphics. Without that it's hard to support Synology's latest moves like the 723/923 until they launch more consumer focussed NAS boxes
Not to mention DTS support as well.
@topgazza nailed it. I used to think 10 gigabits would be a nice. But all I had to do was take a slight look into it and realized that my whole network is 1 GbE(with the exception of future proof to prevent interference and flexibility with category 8 cabling). To make it truly worth it, would cost an absorbent amount of money on not just the network backbone(10-port switch, access point(s), but upgrading pretty much every device that I'd like to support that standard. Sure there is the bandwidth aspect but for me there is rarely more than two people using my NAS at any given time. I Don't see my (4) 10TB HDD RAID 10 ARRAY saturating 10 GbE on my DS920+ or the newer DS923+.
@@IT_RUN1 Try video editing on 1gbe. Or just transferring files, like backing up. Slow as hell.
@@geesehoward7261 average home user likely doesn't video edit. Personally I think one GbE It's enough for me as I don't transfer hundreds of GB a day
@@geesehoward7261 also a lot depends on your raid configuration and what type of storage you use as I don't think my storage would saturate a 10 GBE connection
Both QNAP & Synology should improve their security and their responses to security-incidents.
Both QNAP & Synology have a fair amount of CVE's behind their names.
I do agree QNAP thumbled quite a bit, but I believe that because security is not really mandated enough, one could argue there was some complacency in the past.
Including the users themselves, quite often indeed.
In short, if you want a technical solution and don't mind to tinker (sometimes) extensively with the countless settings, QNAP is IMHO the better solution.
QNAP is the more flexible brand, look at the list of compatible expansions, including 3rd party.
QNAP is upsetting when it comes to licensing, particular their software (including their own & 3rd party)
Synology is the way better brand when you want a smooth(er) experience without the needs to be a NAS expert. But also with some caveats regarding hardware and compatibility. (or as I translate it: lockdown of compatible hardware). Synology is the "Apple" ecosystem but also the same (very expensive) pricing. (and often underwhelming hardware IMHO, sorry)
Synology seems to be quite a bit more conservative with their software, releases and patching.
But I think they are choosing for stability, evolution versus revolution.
Every brand, QNP & Synology in this case, has its pros and cons, it is up to the user what fits their needs, demands & requirements.
Where it moght be that one brand fits you better than the other brand(s).
I myself had chosen Synology for a family-member but have been using QNAP more then a decade already.
I would not chose Synology myself as I see way too many red flags. (enforced choices/no freedom etc)
But there are plenty of nuisances with QNAP too, it just depends on your acceptance-levels.
I always look but never accepted Synology and therefore we have now 30+ QNAP's implemented..
BTW, you are going to the same session with a (independant) QNAP advocate?
yeah they should but lets face it, they dont care/cant be bothered.
@@adacPROKYON That's an impression one could get but perhaps they were overwhelmed and did not know how to properly handle it?
@@InspectorGadget2014 idk man, i can only speak for qnap here but it seems like everytime someone gets hit by deadbolt or any other attack the response on reddit and the support forum is always something to the extend of "those devices arent safe and thats known so its on you" or "dont expose a qnap nas to the internet" etc. i got my first nas a bit over a year ago and to me it seems like the community just thinks that those security issues are "normal" and just part of the product.
@@adacPROKYON Anything connected to the internet can be hacked, eventually. Your security is only as good as your last update. Deadbolt was a serious flaw (in PhotoStation) that was resolved by keeping your QNAP updated, including the Apps. Next to some good security-practices. Such as turning off UPnP in your network, (=both on your QNAP as well as on your internet-router) port-fowarding and such. Enable only what you need and disable the rest. Good security not only needs to come, in this example, from QNAP but indeed also from the users themselves. As today's secured environment might be tomorrow's Swiss cheese (=holes), it is just a matter of time (and opportunity). There is no such thing as 100% secure when connected to the internet. We all have a responsibility in that and shouldn't rely on only manufacturers to take care of everything. Common sense is for the common good. Next-next-okay and be done with it setting-up your NAS is a complacency that will eventually bring you great sorrows.
Which does not take away that manufacturers have a responsibility and QNAP thumbled with some of the incidents.
You as a user should be concerned about security (too) obviously and regularly need to review if your posture is good enough, be vigilant and ensure you are practicing the security as is needed. For today and for tomorrow.
Great video, please do make a Synology active backup video next! Surveillance advantages aside C2 or Backblaze as cost effective cloud backup for around 10 TB of photo/video data?
I am fan of this channel but your guest seems like a Synology's spokesperson (yes I have heard the disclaimer at the beginning)
Around 15:46 To say that 2.5gb is irrelevant ("it is either 1gb or 10gb") is a beyond stupid argument.
I am not saying Synology hasn't got its strong point, they obviously do.
But how can you say you are happy that they moved away from the home user segment by adding AMD without a decent hardware transcoder?
AMD has great APUs that would have been better than the embedded R1600
I just wonder why Synology apparently now hates home-media users? This must be a very important market segment.
You want to release something more business orientated by launching the DS x23? Sure!
But why not release in parallel something more home-media orientated? Even if it is more "power hungry".
What would that imply? From 10w to 15w? That is nothing! People buy Geforce RTX4090 that consume 400w+ and leave it on for days on end.
I truly think that Synology is missing out on a big segment by clearly abandoning home-media users.
Hardware, baby!...establish a good baseline/growth build. It is much ea$ier to remediate software than hardware.
Not easy for home users who know almost nothing like me. We need something easy to use.
I have a few synology devices and some hit the 108TB per volume limit a while back necessitating multiple volumes and splitting folder structure/shares, does qnap have the same limitations? can i get a 12 bay and fill with 12 x 22TB drives and run as 1 singular volume?
For someone new to using a NAS that wants to edit 4K Raw videos. What’s the pick? It seems like it’s still Qnap even though the UI isn’t as good. What should I pick? Qnap h874x, or something from synology?
I'm one of the 8 or 9 that are still awake. Up next I have your nearly 85 minute DS923+ video. I was about to get a DS920+ then I heard about the 923 being recently released. From the quick look I did it wasn't obvious if it had hardware acceleration and I want to use it for among other things, running my Plex server so I'd need the hardware acceleration for transcoding 4K HEVC files for those who can't play them as is.
I’ve worked technical support for the largest storage companies in sillicon valley. These are multi million dollar mission critical storage systems. I won’t mention the company names , but if you’ve worked in the valley you will know who they are .
This said I’ve synology NAS systems at home and for clients when I do jobs on the side . The. Synonlogy hardware is solid and the software is also reliable and easy to use .
Recently I decided to get my first qnap and I picked up the qnap TS-664 . I also got the two NVme cards and 16g of rams to max out the system . I’ll be honest and say that I did not like the qnap software on the system and installed Truenas core on the system .
Let me tell you something . Truenas on the TS-664 has to be one of the hidden secrets . Because This turns the TS-664 into a powerhouse with features that rival some of the enterprise systems I’ve worked on .
This device is super fast and stable and it runs plex and various other applications . I love it and I’m
Planning to get another box to do replications .
My thought is if you just want a system which you don’t want to experiment with and has great software features then synology is your man.
However if you want a system you can experiment with and upgrade then QNAP is your man . If you also want a home or business system with features that rival those of enterprise systems then QNAP with TRUENAs is a no brainer .
I have a few of Dell poweredge severs at home running Vcenter and the QNAP has replaced two of them 😂
I will continue to use both Synology and Qnap . However this is my first time using qnap and I’m amazed at how powerful this little Qnap system is .
Why Core instead of Scale? Scale makes it very easy to containerize everything... so it's just way better IMO.
Also, QNAP are in the process of releasing, testing a Windows bare metal machine backup using hyper data protector. Finally.
I think I can summarise for you guys, If you are newbie in network attach storage, only need 1GB network connections, don't use Plex, and more important than all of this don't intend to make ANY upgrade, I mean exactly like Apple you want the machine default from the vendor ( like apple they will charge you a kidney for any upgrade ) then you can go with Synology, ANY other case, just go with QNAP or any other vendor for that matter. Personally, I'm done with Synology.
Sounds like a horrible summary considering the vulnerabilities with QNAP and their response to them.
@@IT_RUN1 As I said, if you are a newbie and don't know how to protect yours devices, go with Synology.
@@pbrigham Having hardcoded passwords and access tokens in the software is laughable. No excuses there.. This is not a user error and it happened more than one time and the really bad thing about qnap is they do not take care of its users. that says a lot..
@@SaiyanJin85 yup,I agree with that, thats why I don't have any NAS, QNAP or Synology directly connected to the internet, if is connected to the internet is not a Backup anymore, as I said if you are a newbie go with Synology, myself I'm done with them, for those prices I will chose any other vendor every time.
@@pbrigham Well I can't blame you.. Have you tried TrueNas? It's not for newbies obviously
To be honest if synology would put the same cpu as qnap we wouldn't have this debate now. Synology kinda shoot its foot themselves.
Here is another argument for you:
The R1600 just doesn't cut it... especially if we are talking home use.
Watch QNAP install an Intel 1210U in their next lineup and pitch it again a R1600.
See what happens... (yes, I know it would be more expensive but if the value is there people will buy it)
Power is actually half on a 1210U and at least double the performance. (check passmark for the numbers)
I can't be the only one seeing this (or something similar to this) coming up soon-ish.
I never have been a fan of the Ryzens, they run to hot and hungry. My sense is that they are cheap and if you want the most profit, they are the way to go...
For the average home user I think software counts, something that is easy to use . Still we need an idiots guide to NAS for people like me ........
and me :)
Synology great software, hardware sucks they need to match Qnap hardware
They could do that of course but then the price would go up. Which would you prefer? They spend their internal money on their software development and cut back on the hardware.
Stayed until the end, yaay! Thank you guys, great debate!
Your my favorite basic B
I just recently bought a new 6-bay NAS to make use of some spinners I had lying around. I almost bought a QNAP, but in the end, SHR was the deciding factor. Having the flexibility of being able to run a RAID with mixed capacity is simply too useful.
I don't actually care about a lot of the software features on Synology, namely anything that involves exposing my NAS to anything outside the local network, but for what I am using, I'm willing to put up with the weaker hardware and higher cost. The way I have things configured, I'm not likely to ever saturate a 1000 base-T connection anyway, so one gig ethernet is fine.
Great conversation! Always providing us information we all need to hear. Thanks for the shout out!
MATE! You are way too generous! 2nd donation in a week. Also, no need to thank me for mentioning you, your email highlighted a good couple of points that I will DEFINITELY be highlighting a few future vids! Have a great weekend.
Some 2 years ago I bought a QNAP NAS. When trying to get the QNAP NAS "working" it was dead. Went back to the shop and when coming back and trying to get that QNAP up and running it was also dead. So back to the shop and got ANOTHER QNAP NAS. Guess what happened? Absolutely nothing! So back to the shop and got a Synology DS920+ and it worked within minutes
Have been using synology for years no problems. First Qnap I just got was junk. Pressed the power button and nothing. When talking to support they claimed it to be a power supply failure, but LED on mobo and Ethernet on. Then they said MOBO failure, yet Ethernet is getting LED. They are very untrained contacting support is a pain, and their website is crap. STAY AWAY FROM QNAP.
I'm LIKE Both, cuz a can use them in different porpoises, because both companies went to separates ways, and i made 3 NAS way to get the best of the worlds. 1.- I get Qnap NAS to use as Media PLEX. 2.- I get Synology NAS to get files Transfer, Media content Devices, Devices secure Backups and Clones, Sync.... and 3.- Important Synology NAS to Copy Save Off-site the Two NAS in use for Secure Data
While I have a Synology DS918+, I feel like Synology is basically the Apple of NAS vendors. It's praised to the sky for being the most user friendly, but I feel like the "newbie UI" just gets in my way and doesn't give me the tools I need at all. I have a Bash script to edit the .moustache files to replace the ports 80 / 443 with 81 / 444 so I can free up those ports for the LSIO swag container, as Synology's built in nginx isn't as good and just gets in my way.
The only Synology first parties I'm using are the basic stuff like Hyper Backup, Snapshot Replication, and Active Insight, plus the basic stuff like Package Center(only thing I really installed with it was Docker) and Storage Manager when I need to check on the disks.
This is particularly true nowadays as Synology's hardware lockout tendencies are very Apple-like.
That being said, QNAP isn't really an option for me either, as I absolutely refuse to go without btrfs or ZFS, and their ZFS units are at a price point where you could just build a custom rackmounted server in a 3U chassis and install TrueNAS Scale for a similar price.
i had qnaps boxes for dc use all of them has problems hardware. in the other had i have 2 fs3600 4 years now with now problem at all. my opinion is qnap has hardware power and synology has software and hardware quality i vote synology
Why do nas companies charge for surveillance camera connectivity in the form of licenses? Why don’t they charge for each Hard Drive in a nas??
I watched this when it came out, but i watch so many of your videos I may be confusing it with another but I think your guest is the one that mentioned pihole on docker, I'll have to go back and watch this video again just because it was so good. Anyways, I have never used docker and never heard of pihole, but both are amazing! I got docker and pihole installed last night on my DS920+ and so far it is quite impressive. Most of the ads are gone, especially the obnoxious ones. I'll have to look more into docker, but it seems pretty cool at being able to sandbox 3rd party apps to use on my DS920+. The longer I have this device the more I learn how useful it can be. I'm totally in love with my NAS after having it about a year. Could never go back to using cloud services. Thanks for your videos.
Synology to stop DS station or video station would be bad.
Stumbled on this video after picking up a Synology for my dad. Great breakdown. Personally I'll be sticking to TrueNAS because of the flexibility and ZFS support. Really feels like a missed opportunity with how performant and stable ZFS is over BTRFS for Synology, especially given how easy and cheap RAM upgrades are these days. Do have to say thought that DSM is much easier for my family to understand, given the similarity to Windows, and the descriptions being built into the service pages rather than having to click the documentation button on TrueNAS.
Thanks you bud
Watched the whole thing through. I'm new to this stuff and had to do a little searching online for a few things they talked about but they actually made things quite clear even for a home user who doesn't know this stuff.
The last two bookmarks on this video in TH-cam say 'Summary: Why go Synology?' and 'Summary: Why go QNAP?' - but there is NO such last segment, just you guys thanking your contributors and viewers. Where is your 'Why go QNAP' wrap-up part? Did you actually do one, or was the conclusion 'b*gg!r QNAP, go Synology all the way!!'?
It's the "Give me 3 words/things that sum up why a person should go for X brand" bit. I mean, it's an hour long buddy..it covers alot!
I’m not sure if you’ve changed your codec, but this video is unwatchable on an Nvidia shield pro. What are you and Videos think are out by at least 15 seconds. Looks OK on a chrome browser..
sorry, transcription error. I meant audio and video sync are out.
Thanks for all your videos. From your experience do you think that Synology will improve the current Synology Photos to something equal to Qnaps QuMagie where you will have better face and object recognition? What is in your opinion better right now QuMagie or Synology Photos? Do you think that Synology will refresh the CPUs in a year or two not sure what is Synology's refresh cycle...
Thank you for your generous donation buddy - rest assured, it will go directly into making more content. Thanks for being awesome and supporting content creators!!! Regarding your question, 1 I think Synology WILL add subject recognition eventually (it was in the app Moments, before), but I think it will be added as Synology integrates AI services more. Then it will end up back, more as a case of developing convenience, than specific targeted design in new updates. Regarding CPUs, I have had several instances of information being sent that confirm a Synology NAS series that is more graphically enabled (i.e. what the previous generations of 2/4 bay PLUS units were) for Q2 (maybe v early Q3, i.e Sept) of this year. But none of the sources are happy to be quoted and one source is one that I would like to remain unknown (so future info is possible). Hopefully something more publicly sharable will be possible soon. Hope this helps bud and thanks again for supporting me + Ed at NC!
Is EXT faster than ZFS? I am seeing slower performance
from it compared to an older Synology running BTRFS.
If it is, I would like to swtich my NAS (H674) back to EXT before I get a lot of data on it.
I can't really comment on QNAP's implementation, but it shouldn't be. With TrueNAS Scale and ZFS you can max out a 10 Gbps connection if the array is about 12 drives or bigger.
But I would choose Asustor over QNAP because I refuse to use ext4 and want either ZFS or btrfs.
Thank you so much for the great review
I work on the media sector and I made my decision to
go with Qnap because of the software advantage
I'm still looking for more informations in term of
speed of downloading and uploading to Qnap comparing to dropbox..
Thank you for your incredibly generous donation Jameel. It's massively appreciated. I know I say this a lot online, but it bears repeating... Too many people assume content creators are making 'loads' from ad revenue or affiliated links. Unfortunately, the reality is that this money simply is not enough to support the range/level/frequency of content we make! It's donations like yours, made through genuinely good nature and appreciation for the content we create, that really gives us incredible motivation. Thank you so much and I hope you have a fantastic week bud!
Which QNAP 2 bay NAS comes with 8 camera licenses ?? I would be interested in that, couldn't find it on their site.
Any 64bit x86 Powered device. So..celeron or embedded Ryzen etc. QVR Pro, 8 licenses
To your question (1:03:00) as to being on the fence, I think that people watching to this point aren’t really on the fence about which, but looking to get confirmation that their choice was “right” and that they didn’t miss out some feature that they weren’t aware of.
I have a TruNAS PC that I cobbled together from left over upgraded components. I am not by any means a networking professional,heck I am barely up to the level you’d call a novice… I have a basic shared network drive running on there; nothing vitally important because I cannot figure out the configs for automatic backups, or really remote saving of my kid’s gaming videos. Thats why I wanted a shared network drive in the first place so I can easily access his videos to edit them so he can share with his friends on TH-cam…
Because I do not have the grey matter to really dig into the ZFS and TruNAS structures, I am planning on getting a Synology, either the 923+ or the 1522+.
QuTS Hero (which is using ZFS) is as easy to use as QTS.
@@alexsarbu3978 I’m sorry, but I don’t know what any of what you just wrote means…
@@josephbhumphrey TrueNAS has a reputation of being user UNfriendly. Synology's DSM and QNAP's QTS/QuTS Hero have a reputation of being user friendly. In particular, with QuTS Hero you won't even have to know what's a vdev, a dataset - such details are hidden by the GUI.
If you want ZFS but without the pain of managing a TrueNAS, QuTS Hero can be a good option.
(well, from what I understand you don't actually want ZFS).
@@alexsarbu3978 Thank you for the clarification and the info. I will look into them as well.
So which brand (and specific 2 bay nas if possible) would be best for a newbie who wants to use it for home use and just cares most about storage and streaming videos, and doesn’t want it to be loud?
My Synology 920+ is what I use for pretty much exactly what you’re asking for. I use it to stream videos to all my devices and and as a central repository for all my files. Make sure it has hardware transcoding like the 920+. In a two bay I think maybe the 720+ is the comparable one. Just make sure it’s got the celeron with graphics.
@@brianhansen6906 Thank you for the advice. So I was thinking about getting the new QNAP TS-262 (with two 14TB wd red plus hard drives). Would that be a good one? I was also thinking about waiting until Synology released their DS223+. Would that be better?
Do you really need a NAS? Maybe you'd be better off with a DAS, and then save yourself a lot of money as well.
@@cvdavis Thank you for your suggestion, but I think I need a NAS for what I’m trying to have it do. I want to use it as data storage, but also stream videos from it as well. I might have this wrong, but with a DAS, I wouldn’t be able to connect to it and stream video files from it to a TV in another room or anywhere else aside from where the DAS is connected (like at a friend’s house), right?
@@santoryususanoo7609 Yeah you don't want a DAS. You might want a plex nas system. Plex is a system for sharing you own video content with various people.