TrueNAS vs Unraid - Which one is the BEST NAS OS for my HomeLab

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  • @TechnoTim
    @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +363

    After releasing this video I quickly realized what these types of video do, they divide people and that was not my intention. I went into this naively thinking that it would bring people together. I did spend a lot of time researching, testing, and putting this video together and didn't know where it was going to take me. For those that don't agree with me, or other comments, that's actually great! I ALWAYS want to hear other opinions and I welcome those that differ from mine! New ideas and different opinions not only make me a better homelabber, but a better person so thank you!

    • @Jimmy_Jones
      @Jimmy_Jones 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      People always find something to hate on the Internet. I appreciate the comparison.

    • @darthkielbasa
      @darthkielbasa 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I appreciate you taking a look at alternative OS. The people demand choice.

    • @Phil_Barker
      @Phil_Barker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      As a long term unraid user, I think it was pretty fair.
      The subscription model annoys a lot of people and unraid does have some “essentials” that aren’t provided out of the box leaning on plugins and people to self learn. On the flip side it has a great community, and good customer service if you ever need help.
      At the end of the day though if you want a NAS where you can grow the array by just throwing new disks in every few years, it’s the only solution and a great one. If you don’t want a paid license and are happy with buying all your discs up front truenas fits better.
      It’s great we have options in the homelab space!

    • @KapitanMokraFaja
      @KapitanMokraFaja 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      You're doing great job and it's very informative to soak the experiences from someone like you! I wouldn't call a discussions below something that "divides" - just different observations and experiences shared by some storage nerds community. Thanks to that we have whole picture - yours and users.

    • @ich777
      @ich777 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Overall I think it’s a goid video but the main issue is that from a Unraid user perspective this seems a bit unfair (at least to me)
      You should have really looked into the forums and the community in general at Unraid and especially the Support threads for Plugins and containers or even Discord.
      Everything is there including tutorials. Your issue with HW transcoding would be solved in

  • @hacked2123
    @hacked2123 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    I use both. One of the key benefits of Unraid is partial survivability past the n+x limit, the ability to use simple data recovery methods on any single failed drive, and even the ability to force recovery of in a greater than n+x situation where a portion of the data on the loss plus 1 drive is partially accessible. Oh and you can also create ZFS pools in Unraid.

    • @DominikDeobald
      @DominikDeobald 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Translation For the non-techies:
      In RAID5 (which is the most common for homelab RAIDs, where you "loose" one drive of capacity, so 1+1+1+1 = 3), if one drive fails - you are ok. Replace that drive and everything is back to working like before.
      In RAID6 (where you "loose" two drives of capacity, so 1+1+1+1 = 2) it is even ok if two disks fail. Replace both and everything is back to working.
      However: If even a single drive more than allowed fails (so two defects in RAID5 or three in RAID6) then you loose everything.
      In Unraid it is up to you if you add zero, one or two "parity" drives. Most users will go with one. Each disk will add a redundancy safety net. As long as you have at least as many parity drives as the number of disks that fail you will not loose any data (just like a RAID system). Replace the disks and it will continue to work.
      And then there is the difference to RAID: If more drives fail than you have parity drives, then you will only loose the data that is stored on the failed drives. All the rest of your data that is stored on disks that still work is still unharmed and can be accessed.

    • @zackkertzman7709
      @zackkertzman7709 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yup. I use TrueNAS for my cold(er) storage - its ZFS interface is much easier. That's where all my local backups go.
      I use Unraid for the actual live storage, and running all the "fun" stuff (media, game servers, etc...).

  • @5days
    @5days 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I think this video presents a valid point about the state of Unraid today, which is that a lot of features one would expect to be out of the box is actually quite reliant on community developers and plug-ins; things like historical and granular reporting, native backups and snapshots, and a cohesive design language. Watching a new user's experience without all the bells and whistles of the quality of life plugins I've accumulated over the years and I can see where a new user today might be left feeling a bit wanting.
    As a user of Unraid for over 8 years, I've loved the simplicity and easy learning curve when it comes to the OS, especially from a non-enterprise background. It's taught me a lot about linux, containers, vms, networking, everything in between. Seeing some of these features in TrueNas definitely made me wish it was also natively part of Unraid.

  • @gyzmoduck
    @gyzmoduck 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I've been an unRAID user for several years now. The key is tied to your account and you have the option of doing a cloud backup of your flash drive. So really, you don't lose your config if the flash drive fails.

  • @BiGnOsEQC
    @BiGnOsEQC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    WARNING : TrueNas dropped kubernetes support in favor of Docker compose in the next version. This caused TrueCharts to completely drop support of TrueNas SCALE, even on the current version. This has leaved me in a state where I cannot install new apps or upgrade existing ones, despite still being on a version of TrueNas that should still support it.

    • @ChrisGrainger-wc4sz
      @ChrisGrainger-wc4sz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This is a big no go from me. Found this out the hard way yesterday when i tried to install TrueCharts and could not.

    • @mrdrux
      @mrdrux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This is exactly why I nuked my truenas scale server and spun up unraid

    • @BiGnOsEQC
      @BiGnOsEQC 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mrdrux Did the same.

    • @rogalsiu
      @rogalsiu หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I can understand frustration finding out that a feature you frequently use suddenly stopped working, but in a wider context switching from Kubernetes to Docker Compose is a great move people ware waiting for. You can ditch TrueChart and their outdated apps and use a power of Docker and awesome Docker Compose configs. Many people, including myself, had to do workarounds to use our beloved Docker Compose. Not any more!

    • @MikelManitius
      @MikelManitius หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Temporary pain for long term gain.

  • @boinayel
    @boinayel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    I think that one of the great advantages that Unraid has over any other NAS OS is the shallow learning curve. This lets less sophisticated users, like me, install their own home lab and have the full range of use of all the features available to more pro users. Like Docker containers, VMs and hosting your own services like Immich and Nextcloud. I played with Freenas and then Truenas for a bit and I barely got it to run let alone deploy a container.
    Now that my Unraid server is running like it should, I have had the opportunity to learn Docker and how to use a Linux console a nice introduction, in my opinion, to more advanced knowledge.

    • @JasonWitmerYT
      @JasonWitmerYT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      This is something most people like to forget. Unraid compared to proxmox, truenas, and others is so much simpler to understand, to navigate, and to get going out of the box. I know most people who watch this kind of content are already wizards at this stuff, but not everyone wants to be a Linux grand master - they want an easy operating system to back up some files and call it a day.

    • @t288msd
      @t288msd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Agree. ZFS is not intuitive nor easy to understand. Unraid makes this simple.

    • @seldogrif9732
      @seldogrif9732 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also you should not underestimate the community. I use Unraid since 2019 and 90% of the problems and challenges I had were either covered on their Forum or you can find a guide on TH-cam.
      I doubt there is a person who uses Unraid who at some point didn't watch "Spaceinvader One" videos or other guys like Ibracorp. It really made the learning curve much simpler at the start.

    • @blyatspinat
      @blyatspinat 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you call yourself a pro user but can manage to get these things running with k3s on scale? sounds weird to me

    • @technerd9655
      @technerd9655 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Really? I've worked in IT for nearly 20 years, went to college for electronics and computers, have been using a PC for about 40 years since I was a kid. Sure, most of my experience has been Windows and DOS before that, but I've worked with Linux and Mac too, I've even done programming in school (hated it, so I ended up in support). I can't stand the Unraid UI/UX, it's unintuitive, weird, and hard to mangae, things aren't straight forward. Why should I have to install an app (that is actually a desktop Linux GUI app) to brows the files from the WebUI, how stupid is that? Basic functionality was missing out of the box, had to install add ons. I would never have chosen Unraid myself. The choice of storing the OS drive on the USB instead of a HDD/SSD is short sighted to say the least. Relying on a USB stick for the OS drive is far from fault tolerant (ask me how I know!). Maybe it's my ADHD brain, maybe it's my Windows bias, but honestly, I doubt it.

  • @Kernelcoffee
    @Kernelcoffee 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    I think it really depends on your use case and what you expect.
    One thing I'm looking into for my next NAS with UnRaid is single drive use and spindown. Because ZFS or any raid system, when you need one file, the whole raid is used so it's heat, noise and power usage.
    Since UnRaid is basically disk stripping with extra steps, only the disk that contains the file is used.
    So if like me your NAS is for storage with single files access and you don't have a need for more than single drive perf then UnRAID looks like a valid choice for my use case.
    Otherwise I would go with TrueNAS any other day (as I already have)

    • @blyatspinat
      @blyatspinat 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      get an external disk, why would you even need a nas then?

    • @Kernelcoffee
      @Kernelcoffee 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@blyatspinat that's an awesome idea! Who would have thought! Do you happen to have a 120tb external hard drive that's network accesible?

    • @blyatspinat
      @blyatspinat 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kernelcoffee no problem, just wait a few years im sure we will reach 120TB some day

    • @espressomatic
      @espressomatic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Unraid array isn't striped - which is why it can spin up/down single disks. The disks are only virtually concatenated. But otherwise, yes I agree with your points, which is why I've been running Unraid for 6+ years and why I'll continue to use it for NAS. My largest portioned pool is going to be ZFS going forward however, even with its requirements of all-or-none spin. It's not a big deal when you set your timeout period reasonably.

  • @KapitanMokraFaja
    @KapitanMokraFaja 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    As a user of both (and some qnaps aside), I have to defend Unraid just a little, as some of the cons are not really a cons:
    - Having system on small usb drive let's you save one drive which can be critical for some small home users. And the backup of it is set as default during the nightly backups. You can just use it to write a system to new one anytime you want without disk swaps
    - system on pendrive also allows you to easily move the system to, for example, vm in proxmox with just a small usb passthru
    - ISCSi exists and it's doing great job
    - For those who do not keep homelab in separate room, ZFS and constantly spinning drives can be annoying. Due to Unraid specific storage management, some of my disks are actually sleeping most of the time saving energy
    - it's much more small system friendly (RAM)
    - for years it was a perfect example of easiness in passthrough - just click the device and add. I have no clue what happened but also started to have issues with passing some gpus (nvidia)

    • @Shadoweee
      @Shadoweee 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      You can also have drives spin down in something like TrueNAS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @KapitanMokraFaja
      @KapitanMokraFaja 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@Shadoweee Not really. Since Unraid is not raid, it will wake up only one drive to save the data to, not the whole array. Since putting disks to sleep and waking up constantly is never a good idea, add to this extra power consumption - those are not the same.

    • @ivanmalinovski7807
      @ivanmalinovski7807 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I had to migrate an Unraid system the other day, and I just moved the Unraid USB and the hard drives to the new system, and it just worked. I was against the Unraid USB method at first, but I really see its value now.

    • @yasheshshah3967
      @yasheshshah3967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Shadoweee Nah, only having the option to install it on the usb drive is idiotic. the fact that you dont even have the option for redundancy. also license key tied to the thumb drive is also stupid, the fact that you have to wait 12 months or reach out to support to move the license. the functionality for the use case is good, but the fact that there is no alternative option sucks. also, saving 1 drive is mostly only useful because of their own licensing. No home users are going to run out of sata ports for an OS that costs 50$ at minimum, for a pc that only has 2-4 sata ports, users will use something else thats cheaper as cost is a factor. for ones that have more sata ports, 6-8+, users can use m.2 for boot drives and are not strapped for ports.

    • @Shadoweee
      @Shadoweee 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@yasheshshah3967 wrong tag mate :)

  • @lzrjck69
    @lzrjck69 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Cutting out plugins from Unraid severely limits the OS from a review perspective. Unraid’s ecosystem is very much a “here the base OS, add in anything you need” sort of mentality. You can easily grow your understanding of the OS with this approach. Learn about this thing called iSCSI? See if there’s a plugin for it, then check the community forum for how it works, how to set it up, etc.
    As for data integrity, I think a big miss is the value of the Unraid array. 2 dead disks in a raidz1 means FULL DATA LOSS, where your Unraid array will only lose the data in the borked disks. For a home user environment, that’s a HUGE win in my book. Enterprise is different. They have offsite/tape backups as standard practice, where a home user likely can’t afford full redundancy on a large NAS.
    Also: saying “I’m just talking the base OS, no add-ons or plugins”, but then mentions adding custom app feeds to TrueNAS feels a bit off.
    Overall, I think Tim needs some more time with the OS. Maybe a relook after “fixing” his issues with each OS via plugins, scripts, etc. and a little more time learning each system. Not knowing how to click the lock icon in Unraid to show the “X” to remove cards in the dashboard for example.

    • @brandonakey6616
      @brandonakey6616 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree. I feel much safer having my data on an Unraid array.

  • @robertboskind
    @robertboskind 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Ive been using unraid for many years. It still a great choice, but overall, if it was easier to switch my huge array I would probably migrate to truenas. Snapshots and the faster performance are the big ticket items that are tempting me.

  • @mniswonger
    @mniswonger 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    You can take snapshots of appdata on Unraid if you create a cache pool using ZFS and keep appdata on that cache pool. There's also a Community Apps plug-in that will make scheduled cron jobs to backup appdata to a separate location.

  • @Gragorg
    @Gragorg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    It seems to me that you are not very familiar with Unraid. For storage you touched on the array setup but not pools. Lots of Unraid user run zpools on unraid and it supports snapshots the same as TrueNas. You also have the option of running a traditional Unraid array making Unraid the clear winner in storage to me. As far as applications templates are stored by the app store on Unraid. Appdata Backup allows you to backup your appdata either manually or on a schedule or if you run a zfs cache which I do you can also take snapshots of your datasets.

  • @noblebullshark
    @noblebullshark 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    For what its worth, I currently have 3 Truenas Scale Machines and a few proxmox machines in my rack. All with different use cases. Now I'm new to the whole "homelab" thing and my background is in construction, but after probably about a week or so of videos from Level1Techs, Lawrence Systems, and you I had gotten pretty comfortable with it and now I would say I'm fairly good with the system. I figured that if I was going to get into something I might as well jump into the deep end and hopefully not have to relearn something else down the line and I couldn't be happier. Now I will admit that with my construction business I was able to "write off" almost all of the cost of the building of the machines because of "office upgrades" since I use them for backup of the business and to host software for managing my company, but as far as out of the box experience I don't think I made the wrong choice. Thanks for all the information you post! Your a real MVP.

  • @nglessner
    @nglessner 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    Some of the items you mention seem like you didnt give UnRaid a fair shake. I'm backing up my VMs nightly and have hardware pass-through working without much fuss.
    That's not to say I'm all in on team UnRaid. Their new subscription model is a non-starter for me (if i hadn't already had a non-subscription license).

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I tried to be as fair as possible and gave an in-depth explanation as to why and it's OK if you don't agree. VMs don't support snapshots and GPU passthrough has been harder than doing it on Proxmox, and that's 100% manual. These are two things I value, I totally understand if that's not what you value!

    • @fabriziop.3360
      @fabriziop.3360 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@TechnoTimI mean, in 2024 we can't live without snpshot! Yes, backing UP is a thing, but snapshots are not backup. When you do a snapshot and just "try" something, the time you need to restore the previous state is virtually non-existent and you cannot say the same thing if you need to restore a backup, maybe trough a gigabit connection.

    • @protogenxl
      @protogenxl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I would argue that the subscription model will bring in funds needed to develop things like VM and Docker snapshots

    • @nglessner
      @nglessner 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @TechnoTim I appreciate the video for sure. I have been using UnRaid for about 5 years now and at the time TrueNas was behind in some areas. Your review shows me that it's time to give TrueNas another try. I don't think you had any ill intent at all or intended bias. Don't let a healthy debate keep you from continuing with these types of videos.

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@fabriziop.3360 Snapshots are what I mentioned specifically. Sure, both can back up any folder to any other folder or system.

  • @mfadetoblack
    @mfadetoblack 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I am sure it's already been mentioned but the next version of TrueNas will allow for adding drives to a pool, FINALLY. So flexibility is coming.

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      link to that pls?

    • @mfadetoblack
      @mfadetoblack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheNorthRemember it's on the change log page in the what's new for EE.

  • @Demios101
    @Demios101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    For me, TrueNAS. I don't need all the features TrueNAS provides so I run it in proxmox. I'm well aware that proxmox and do zfs out of the box, but I prefer using the features TrueNAS provides for monitoring my drives over proxmox's meager options.

  • @jankroh3194
    @jankroh3194 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Maybe you should take some energy measurements as well. I choose Unraid because of its ability to send harddrives individual to sleed whem the are not longer needed. Other than in a typically raid only the drive where the file i want needs to spin up. Every file will always stay on one harddrive.
    This is also the reason for many why they use a cpu with integrated gpu instead of a dedicated gpu. In a land like Germany energy costs are quite expensive and for that reason i choose Unraid.

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      This is such a great point. Why is this common knowledge among longtime users but not something that's in their product documentation? This is something they should really promote.

    • @jankroh3194
      @jankroh3194 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@TechnoTim In the German community, there is a real competition to see who gets the most energy-efficient server put together. There are some hard-working people who measure the consumption of many motherboards, CPUs and power supplies. For example, servers that consume more than 30W in "Idel mode" (only the Unraid runs without active Docker and VM, as well as with disks in the spin-down) are already rated as poor. Really good is who makes it under the magic 10W.

    • @Locationary
      @Locationary 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can also choose when to put drives to sleep on truenas, but it's usually not recommended to often put hard disk drives to sleep.

    • @paulwoodward8265
      @paulwoodward8265 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Locationary You don't want drives constantly spinning up and down all the time, granted, but on my NAS I only use the backup volume 2 hours a day, the media volume maybe three times a week, so it's nuts to have 4 drives spinning away at 7200 rpm 24x7. If you can put 'always on' stuff on SSD you may be able to have the spinning rust powered down nearly all the time. That's not likely to be a problem.

    • @filmboy18
      @filmboy18 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@paulwoodward8265 Unraid does this exact thing. If you configure it with one or more cache drives it will store files like vm disks, docker files and system data directly onto the cache drive therefore allowing the hard drives to spin down for very long periods of time if configured correctly. Great for power and noise concerns. Personally i think that's one of Unraid's party tricks along with the ability to throw random hard drives in so long as they aren't a bigger capacity than the parity drive.

  • @mr.hughes6363
    @mr.hughes6363 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Click the green lock icon on the upper right of the stats page in unRAID to customize. Took me a while of digging for that one but it's pretty simple. I have been on the fence for a while, using UR at the moment but don't take advantage of the array. I have one parity and one drive to make UR happy then ZFS pools for the rest, probably going back to TNS now for the data integrity. Thanks for your efforts even though you are getting some flack from seasoned UR users, if you drove it for years like TN they still wouldn't be happy.

  • @jamieficken2488
    @jamieficken2488 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You can add iSCSI in UnRAID through a Plugin.
    You can also create ZFS arrays alongside the UnRAID array in UnRAID which makes it more flexible than TrueNAS. The downside is that the UnRAID ZFS array implementation doesn't have a nice GUI (yet) to manage snapshots and other aspects of the ZFS array.
    I like UnRAID for home use, however, I wouldn't use it for business use either.

  • @fearian
    @fearian 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    re: price, for home use. If you have odd sized drives laying about, unraid might be cheaper than the drives you have to buy to make true nas work, or cheaper than the value of the storage you can't use because it doesn't fit in true nas' purist system.

    • @fearian
      @fearian 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      (my spicy take: youtubers who get WD to send them a pile of enterptise HDD's don't get to complain about the price of unraid, without disclosing all the drives they can't use in true NAS...)

    • @RickMyBalls
      @RickMyBalls 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      oooo someone went to unraid

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fearian THIS

  • @levelnine123
    @levelnine123 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Dashboard top right the green lock you can adjust or delete everything

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you!

    • @plagosus
      @plagosus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Plus there is an explanation option, both for the whole screen and if you click on any option in the UI. Not super obvious, but explains every single thing in Unraid. Super helpful for example if you are setting up shares.

  • @l1fenr
    @l1fenr 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1:05 Bro the website gave me a FLASHBANG

  • @riddlediddleriddle
    @riddlediddleriddle 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Ah, it would've been awesome if you had power efficiency as a talking point. People like me choose Unraid just because of this reason alone, as Unraid supports true SSD caching when the disks are spun down. Running HDDs 24/7 is a waste of power and HDD-lifespan.
    Power efficiency makes a huge difference in Europe.

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Great to know! I did discuss SSD caching but didn't think about the implications it has on spin down for disks!

    • @riddlediddleriddle
      @riddlediddleriddle 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@TechnoTim to me, it is so important that I've foregone the ZFS' sweet self-healing properties

    • @NickyNiclas
      @NickyNiclas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      There actually are stats that would suggest that constantly spinning drives up and down shortens their lifespan vs just leaving them running. I assume it's because of the temperature cycling. But it definitely does make sense in places with expensive electricity or if you have many drives.

    • @droknron
      @droknron 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@NickyNiclas Keep in mind, with a good unRAID setup with a decently sized cache you can have the disks powered off for days at a time. There is also a plugin to cache directories and files in memory so things like Plex wont wake your disks just to scan their contents. So we're not talking about spinning them down 24-48 times a day. For me only about half of my disks spin up a single time each day.

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@benjiro8793 thank u

  • @renerant
    @renerant 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    3:23 - What happens if my USB boot device fails?
    You can manually transfer your license to a new USB Flash device at any time up to once per year. After that, contact support. (Copied from unRAID web page)

    • @fwiler
      @fwiler 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sounds like you are one that hasn't tried their backup to connect and then restore? It's fairly seamless.

    • @renerant
      @renerant 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@fwiler I haven't used any of those Nas softwares yet, but I am currently deciding between all of them. I just wanted to point out an error in the video.

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@renerant read my comment earlier

    • @technerd9655
      @technerd9655 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kenel panic after power loss is a deal breaker for me, no fault tolerance. And saying "you should have a UPS" isn't an answer, you can have sudden power loss for a multitude of reasons even with a UPS (failed UPS server communication and batteries run out, accidentally pulling the USB stick, pulling the power cable accidentally, etc). If even MS-DOS could survive a sudden power loss when booted from a floppy disk, then Unraid should when booted from a USB stick. I've had to rebuild the USB stick too many times. I'm looking at TrueNAS as a replacement.

    • @skyfox77
      @skyfox77 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@technerd9655 I have used the same USB drive for Unraid since 2009 when I first bought it, I have never had to rebuild it either. Running 24/7 since 2009, unless I needed to upgrade something.

  • @mikenorfleet2235
    @mikenorfleet2235 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I appreciate your honest explanations. I went trunas, but have friends who don't fiddle with their system nearly as much as I like to, and they swear by Unraid, cause for simple stuff its easy. They also wanted to make use of all the hard drives they have ever purchased regardless of age or size.

  • @mtrainor23
    @mtrainor23 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Unraid has the ability to back up the USB drive to your unraid account with unraid connect. I never even have to think about let alone worry about it.

    • @kolterdyx
      @kolterdyx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I still find it pretty clunky to have a USB stick dangling on the server. Can the image not be written to an internal drive or something? I really don't understand how can anyone think that a USB stick is a production ready device for storing a system as critical as NAS storage. Everything that depends on your NAS storage depends by extension on your USB stick. One unlucky bump during maintenance, one unlucky power surge, or whatever and there goes your boot drive, now you need to get a new one and flash it again, while everything you run depends on volatile memory

    • @ventilate4267
      @ventilate4267 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@kolterdyxThey make tiny USB drives the size of wireless mice adapters, but yeah I agree. At least let me run them with redundancy or something. However, considering you need cache drives for unraid and likely 2 of them, that leaves ITX motherboard users without a place to install their OS.

    • @m.l.9385
      @m.l.9385 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kolterdyx The USB acts like a dongle as the license is bound to its ID - that is why - not saying I like it. But i. e. you could use emmc device like i.e. Linctstaion N1 does which isn't as prone to fail like USB sticks do. Unraid tries to alleviate the problem with backups of you stick to images or your account so you can recover them when needed in case of failure and these backup can be scheduled though an app.The USB acts like a dongle as the license is bound to its ID - that is why - not saying I like it. But i. e. you could use emmc device like i.e. Linctstaion N1 does which isn't as prone to fail like USB sticks do. Unraid tries to alleviate the problem with backups of you stick to images or your account so you can recover them when needed in case of failure and these backup can be scheduled though an app.

  • @djn394
    @djn394 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    As someone who is more familiar with Unraid and hasn't played with TrueNAS since it was known as FreeNAS, it felt like you didn't give Unraid a fair shake. A lot of the issues that you highlighted with Unraid have solutions available and there are categories (Dashboards, Apps, etc.) that I thought it would clearly win. I'm not sure what your plans are for the Unraid server, but if you had the time I'd love to see a follow up in a few months when you've been able to look at some of the solutions to the criticisms you have. TrueNAS will likely still come out on top (And this video has certainly made me want to take another look at it) but it might feel like a more even comparison.

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you for the feedback

    • @djn394
      @djn394 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TechnoTim Hopefully it didn’t come across as too negative, your video has definitely made me want to give TrueNAS a fresh look.

    • @NickyNiclas
      @NickyNiclas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@djn394 Very good and fair feedback I must say!

    • @seldogrif9732
      @seldogrif9732 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TechnoTim another feedback for the future is that it would also be nice to think about people who are beginners in this and started a home lab on enthusiasm to learn.
      I will give my example here. I started without prior knowledge just based on enthusiasm to learn more. My original server was my old gaming PC. I went with Unraid, as I just had like 3 old Barracuda drives of different pool size and didn't have the money for proper NAS drives (as they are quite an expensive investment in eastern Europe). Since I also was hoping with barely any prior knowledge, I had to really look into differences between options available to me, also documentation and community support mattered a lot from the start.
      Since you are making a comparison between OS and their use cases for us, looking at stuff from a beginner perspective and talking about pointers such as community support more broadly and documentation would be a plus.

  • @Standbackforscience
    @Standbackforscience 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    And here I am, running my NAS on some flavor of Debian with ZFS, SMB, NFS, and rsync for backups, all managed with Ansible. I may also run containers or VMs on that machine , but it's not in my NAS playbook, so that doesn't factor into it. My big problem with Unraid and True/FreeNAS is that they're trying to do too much non-NAS things. Store and share files, on a network, nothing more. Also, no Ansible, no dice.

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pro!

    • @--Buxtehude--
      @--Buxtehude-- 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there a tutorial how to do this?

  • @xraargu6212
    @xraargu6212 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've been using unraid for just about a year now. All your comments about it here and in your Unraid video are spot on. For my cloud file storage (Nextcloud) I actually ended up installing mirrored pair of SSDs unassigned as a ZFS Pool. I wanted my cloud storage files to always be fast on read or write. Then I backup the Nextcloud files to the array and to a CSP. It's a bit of a waste because older stuff is always on the SSD. What I would really like is to be able to tell the OS "Keep all stuff accessed within the last X days on the SSDs and move the rest off to the HDDs in the array". Maybe there is a way to do that and I just haven't figured it out yet.

  • @mtrainor23
    @mtrainor23 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    This comes off as a very biased review. I have been using unraid since 2018 and i dont think you really have it a fair shot

    • @ShawnPitman
      @ShawnPitman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Giving TrueNAS the tie for filesystem because is used ZFS exclusively instead of it being one of many options on Unraid was wild.
      And no snapshot for appdata for unraid? It’s one of the most downloaded plugins available! It basically core functionality.

    • @andrewnewell2240
      @andrewnewell2240 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have to agree. I've been running TrueNas since 2014 and Unraid since 2020 and Tim clearly doesn't understand why Unraid is so popular. With ZFS, I simply couldn't change anything about my storage pools or capacity without spending thousands all at once to replace all my drives or add a striped set. It's extremely expensive to maintain and expand long term. With Unraid, I just find a drive on sale and buy it. That's it. I can increase my array by 22TB by spending $400 bucks, not $2400. At the end of the day, if I lose my Linux ISO collection, I can just download it again. I simply don't need the protection of ZFS for these files, it's an extremely expensive exercise in frustration and maintenance. Sorry Tim, but you took away points for the very reason Unraid exists. You just don't need enterprise level data integrity for media, it's an incredibly expensive and wasteful approach for most home media storage. I have a 12 drive array in ZFS and I can't expand it without spending thousands. The difference is night and day. All that being said, I love ZFS for storing my photos and important files, which is why I run both OSes.

    • @technerd9655
      @technerd9655 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My experience with Unraid, I manage my landlord's server which was originally set up by his son (my friend), has not been very good. I find Unraid UX pretty terrible. I also don't like that it relies on the USB stick for the OS drive and that the license is tied to the unique USB key. Most major power failures (even with a UPS, since I could never get it to talk to the UPS) the USB drive has to be repaired because the OS kernel panics on boot up. I'm seriously looking at TrueNAS to replace this home NAS and Plex server.

    • @wittywilla
      @wittywilla 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I personally don't see it biased. I've used both unraid and truenas, and I've had a lot better luck with NAS related data migration and parity rebuilding in truenas. I'm glad that unraid is gradually improving their software, but there's a lot of areas that they need to focus on that they have not. They found a way to increase the price, but not implement needed updates to their software.

    • @marekkedzierski8237
      @marekkedzierski8237 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds like you are pretty bad at managing Unraid. Getting it to "talk to UPS" is extremely easy.

  • @eggman9713
    @eggman9713 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use both. I started with Unraid for its storage flexibility in my first homelab NAS. I also like the VM ease of setup in Unraid better than TrueNAS. I use TrueNAS as my main archival file server because I love the data integrity features, it has more remote backup and cloud sync capabilities out of the box than Unraid does, and I built that machine new with far more capacity than I will need for a while because I had the budget to do so. I like the ease of using Docker containers on Unraid, and I do use Jails on TrueNAS Core. I haven't migrated to TrueNAS Scale yet but I probably will be doing so in the next few months. I can recommend either TrueNAS or Unraid to any new homelabber or just general computer enthusiast depending on what their needs, budget, and experience level are. Or I can direct them to just buy a Synology NAS if neither of these fits their use case.

  • @MacVilleLP
    @MacVilleLP 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    One thing I like on the Licensing part of UnRaid is that is not bound to any Hardware (excluded the USB-Stick). Because you can change the Hardware (Mainboard, CPU, GPU and so on) completely wihtout a need of re-deploy the Container or VMs aslong you have the same drives (HDD/SSDs/Nvmes) installed the System boots and is running like before.

    • @brianmckay1594
      @brianmckay1594 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree. I've moved my two unRaid configurations on two USB disks between different hardware setups for 10+ years. Having to reregister each time would have been a pain. The only time the USB is used is on initial boot to load the OS into RAM so read/write cycles are very minimal. The only exception would be if you turn on logging to the usb drive but you really shouldn't do that except in very specific circumstances.

  • @sorrefly
    @sorrefly 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    2:00 i think the video can conclude here lmao

    • @will1565
      @will1565 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, but you get what you pay for in this world.

    • @mikiesGamingOasis
      @mikiesGamingOasis หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@will1565true you do get what you pay for however trueNAS has a proven history of reliability even tho it is free.

  • @bgable7707
    @bgable7707 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice job, as always clear and to the point. I just queued up about 10 + more of your video's.

  • @ExpressITTechTips
    @ExpressITTechTips 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think its the subscription associated with Un-Raid that makes it a harder pill to swallow, that being said there's a lot to say about what is your home - home stuff that you want to leave untouched and the ones that you want to tinker with so Un-raid certainly has a place there

  • @deedikjepijn
    @deedikjepijn 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    While i appreciate the video and the comparison I did miss you talking about what unraid does better then truenas, for example I found it easier to use with more documentation. When in the installer its wayyy easier then what truenas has. It felt for me like this video was a pull towards truenas (as it won 99% of the comparisons you made). In the end you said that it depends on the use cases but what i missed in the video was what usecases unraid would be better for (as you only explained yours).
    Did appriciate the video, thanks and hope you do well and continue the amazing videos.
    Have a good one!

  • @jasonbecker86
    @jasonbecker86 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Those are fair comparisons, but I'm very glad to be running unraid. A little bit of elbow grease can equalize several of these categories, but you need to go in with eyes wide open.

  • @TazzSmk
    @TazzSmk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    for me, biggest dealbreaker is lack of native file management GUI,
    Synology DSM, CasaOS Files and now even UGreen NAS OS all provide easy user-friendly GUI to do basic file operations from its NAS web interface

    • @ronsafranic5177
      @ronsafranic5177 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      File manager is the icon right next to the terminal icon! It has been there for a while but I don't think it was even needed! I still use terminal to run MC (Midnight Commander) which I very much prefer!

  • @AlanKlughammer
    @AlanKlughammer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    TrueNas and Unraid are used in two different ways. Personally I chose Unraid for ease up upgrade. As I got used to it, I found the opposite of your conclusions. TrueNas reporting was not as good for what I wanted. CPU pinning is great, especially getting into AI. Having the base OS on a thumb drive is awesome, again for ease of upgrading hardware.
    To be completely honest, when I tried Truenas after using Unraid for a few years, I found it lacking in a lot of important (for me) areas.
    They both have pluses and minuses, but they both kind of fall into the trap of whichever one you are used to is the best one.

  • @MikelManitius
    @MikelManitius หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow. Thank you for making this video. I’ve been evaluating TrueNAS SCALE for a while now and have been hearing a lot about UnRAID and was considering checking it out. But after watching your video I see what a Neanderthal it is. I can clearly see that my money would be much better spent on extra RAM for ARC in ZFS than licenses for the proprietary UnRAID. Also, TrueNAS is moving their container model from K8s to Docker now. I’m sure there will be some transition pains, but that’s ultimately a much better model so the K8s issue goes away.

  • @BobbyLathanJr
    @BobbyLathanJr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I have been using TrueNAS for the last 3 years and it has worked for me well. I was not a big fan of using a USB for my OS with Unraid. The issue that I currently have is that my apps will not utilize my GPU. I look for a solution on that right now. I have to say that Techno TIm is correctly you have select an OS that best fits you. I have recommend both OS to people.

  • @mattdivito3581
    @mattdivito3581 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Outside of the seething bias that the creator claims they don't have, despite the plethora of comments pointing it out, I'm glad that so many comments have corrected many of the issues with this comparison video and pointed out other flaws.
    As someone who is investigating moving from Windows Server to unRaid or TrueNAS, the comment section was very informative as I research what makes more sense in my use case.

  • @SteveOwensRoswell
    @SteveOwensRoswell 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Been running UNRAID since the Lime Tech days… for those that like to mix drive sizes and build as you go and don’t need high speed storage, it’s the way to go. Both OS have large support communities now, but years ago UNRAID had an edge there IMO. As you say at the end, both are good solutions depending on your use cases.

    • @RichardErkens
      @RichardErkens 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I agree with you as I have a mixed drive (60TB) setup and went to Unraid as Truenas can't handle this as my smallest drive is 6TB and the largest 18TB.
      Only to bad about the new subscription services.
      Tried Truenas first and was difficult to setup as a new novice user who has build his first nas, Unraid was running after a couple of minutes.

    • @nglessner
      @nglessner 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RichardErkens right. That's my takeaway... TrueNas is catching up to UnRaid and surpassing it in many ways. The biggest factor remains the matching drive requirement.

  • @computersales
    @computersales 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I still feel like I would prefer TrueNAS over unraid. The unraid licensing process is a pain. Also have mixed feelings on the tiers and cost of unraid. TrueNAS gives me more flexibility to tinker and upgrade as I see fit. One thing I would like to see is a NAS operating system that I can just throw a bunch of random drives in and dynamically change the pool. Sounds like unraid can do that for the most part but I want something with less caveats.

  • @blitzio
    @blitzio 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Appreciate the fair comparison for now and would love to see a follow up of your understanding and breakdown for Unraid after a longer time using it, maybe a few months or a full year with all the customizations and learnings from the active Unraid community and its constantly updating apps, etc.

  • @10leej
    @10leej 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I still prefer the true DIY approach.
    Unraid uses btrfs as the base filesystem but it uses it's own Software RAID solution which is mostly a glorified fork of LVM, it's also Slackware based.

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      they use XFS, and now support ZFS pools

  • @jasonskory3688
    @jasonskory3688 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Can't go with unraid because the value just isn't there. They are charging a premium for features that might come in a future release, not to mention the "not a subscription" subscription. Not to mention saying the increase was to focus on development and not advertising then immediately launching a paid affiliate program. For Truenas, it is just not intuitive for someone new who doesn't understand the 10 different kinds of cache and can't afford huge hdd's from the jump. What did it for me was having movies on an external disk that I could not feed into plex, or at least figure out how to do it. If there was a system that was a combination of the two I would be on it.

    • @lzrjck69
      @lzrjck69 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The premium is easily paid for by repurposing drives. URs target audience is someone growing into a full NAS, where TrueNAS is for someone building a (near)enterprise solution. If you already have an external or 3, Unraid is the way to go.

  • @fwiler
    @fwiler 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Saying iscsi isn't available on unraid is like saying 'insert any feature here' isn't installed by default on 'insert Linux distro here'. It's literally a one button install. Same with snapshots, appdata backup, intel GPU top, or the hundreds of easily viewable and installable plugins available.
    You put this big emphasis on snapshotting appdata for some reason, even though it's so small you can use the appdata backup. You could have installed appdata on zfs if you were so concerned. But you know what happens when appdata goes away? Nothing really, the system will recreate it for you. And when you go to the store it shows what you had installed previously. Just download your apps again, nothing lost.
    VMS can be installed on zfs and can be snapshotted. If you don't want to install the one click install for gui then you can do it from terminal.
    And not sure your issue with hardware passthrough. I have it setup easily.
    Name one OS that you stop at default install and don't setup for you personal needs? Seriously, if you had spent 10 minutes looking at a video on unraids most popular plugins you could get rid of 99% of your complaints.
    I like that unRaid is on USB and not tied to hardware. I can't count how many times I've moved it to to other systems. And the best part? Not wasting valuable disks for storage to an OS. Entire OS can be saved to backup or cloud in just a minute.
    Last is electricity. I have zfs on 6 ssd's, and bulk storage on 12 mechanical. They all spin down and only access one disk when needed. That saves a lot on electricity and noise.

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, while I respect your opinion. I agree that there are many plugins and apps to do a million different things (or the same thing a million different ways) but I think that a majority if this should be included in the product. That's my take, from a product perspective. As yes, I spent more than 10 minutes, more like 300+ hours with Unraid over the last few months, over 60 alone while writing this video. The cache drive is a great idea for saving electricity and something that would be great if they highlighted this as a feature.

    • @wojtek-33
      @wojtek-33 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not sure why multiple people are taking about spinning drives down, I guess unless you are in Europe. Drives should be spinning 24/7 for maximum lifespan, access and performance.

    • @fwiler
      @fwiler 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TechnoTim Respect your opinion too, but not following common procedures and setting it up correctly from the start for any os is a disservice to your viewers. Like saying if something goes wrong, no way to restore data, no way to take snapshots of appdata (which you don't need to do, but can). Again if you don't do appdata backup, you just redownload. But yet you spent a lot of time and praise on all the steps needed to add apps to trunas (which isn't included in product). Or to say there is no way to do custom feeds in store (there is).

    • @thescandalchannel
      @thescandalchannel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wojtek-33 Jea but if you life in Europe this is the singel biggest reason for Unraid for a lot of People. I have a 130 Tb Unraid System and a 170 Tb TrunasScale system.
      But i use Truenas just for Backups. My Unraid run 24/7 but of course with spinn down. If i would let the drives spinn all the time it would coste me easy over $400 a year just to let the drives on.
      Same with GPU vs iGPU and so on. Every 100W you have running 24/7 cost you about $350 a year.

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wojtek-33 that's wrong with unraid array for a home user

  • @jncanches
    @jncanches 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Truecharts is not supporting Truenas Scale anymore AND Truenas will drop Kubernetes support in next release. It's kinda game changer (and not at TS advantage IMHO)

    • @fossacornrow
      @fossacornrow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, unfortunately this great video is already « outdated » 😢. The future of apps on TrueNAS isn’t clear. Great comparison anyway @technotim

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@fossacornrow Not outdated haha. "Coming in Q4" with no UX or design shared means that I will believe it when I see it. I know it will be here eventually but it's a pretty aggressive timeline 😅

    • @fossacornrow
      @fossacornrow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TechnoTim You're right. I'm sorry, my message was a bit rough. I have a poor english 😅

  • @84Actionjack
    @84Actionjack 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My immediate goal is the use TrueNAS as my local backup server and UNRAID as a remote backup server for my Windows Server's media.

  • @lenn4rd
    @lenn4rd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for putting together this comparison! I never bothered to do the research or even try both out myself, so this is super useful (and saves me a ton of time). I build my NAS from scratch and it's running netatalk for macOS-native shares and Time Machine backups and NFS for more Linux-y shares on other machines in my homelab. Maybe running apps from the app stores is easier than setting it up and maintaining it myself, so I think I'll check out probably TrueNAS next.

  • @JByteTX
    @JByteTX 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In unraid you can create ZFS pools and snapshot/replicate to another Unraid ZFS pool. You can put your containers and VM's in ZFS pools and snap/replicate those too.

  • @jusbo18
    @jusbo18 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For me, UNRAID. I appreciate you doing the comparison, it did bring to light some things I didn't really give much thought to. I am a homelabber who did use Truenas for a while on my QNAP 4bay and super spiffy server virtualized. I did have to learn UNRAID as well as Truenas. Their different but for just needing to make a few samba shares to back up my macs and get stuff to and fro' my proxmox UNRAID didn't give much hassle like Truenas did. So I reiterate, for me, I choose UNRAID.

  • @Invaderjason123
    @Invaderjason123 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With TrueNAS EE update coming in a few months moving towards docker, things should be a lot easier and give more points in their favor.

  • @NightHawkATL
    @NightHawkATL 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am an equal opportunity homelabber. I started with TerraMaster and lost my JBOD. Went to OpenMediaVault and ran that for a good bit. Moved to TrueNAS Core when I could afford a good server. Just upgraded to yet another server and went to Scale. Really liking Scale at the moment. I have a full “unlimited” license for unRAID and plan on running this as my next server to see if I can offload my docker stuff to it or just explore it better with unmatched drives. Looking forward to the future of both Scale and unRAID.

  • @couzin2000
    @couzin2000 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just wanna rectify the info on the Apps and Appstore segment about Unraid not being able to backup its data. While it,s not done automatically, Unraid is much more flexible in that you can backup your appdata folder (the meta your dockers create and use) on your array, which is protected. If you lose a container for any reason, you can remove it and redownload it, and the data is effectively kept separate so it's totally safe. Hence why I love Unraid for my home server. (I do use TureNas for it's long-term offiste backup).

  • @ElmokillaXDK
    @ElmokillaXDK 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Before the price changes I’d say unraid but now if I had to choose I’d go with truenas

  • @ThatHz-
    @ThatHz- 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In level to technical aptitude, if I were to recommend to a friend, I’d choose Synology, Unraid, TrueNAS. I personally use TrueNAS but despite all the clear technical wins, just plugging in another drive has a huge weight.

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I 100% agree with this rank for recommended a home NAS based on technical aptitude.

    • @U1TR4F0RCE
      @U1TR4F0RCE 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there a specific reason you recommend Synology over QNAP for NAS? I'm thinking of upgrading my NAS from a cheap 2 bay QNAP and am uncertain if I should go with a prebuilt as I would likely leave the NAS for my parents to use when I eventually have my own place.

  • @ThatHomeLabGuy
    @ThatHomeLabGuy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know I’ve said it before but you somehow never fail to read my mind. Or maybe the other way around. I’m on unraid and looking to explore my options and what are the odds you literally compared the two, two weeks ago🤯

  • @notrhj
    @notrhj 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you like your data you can keep your data ?
    I started with FreeNas the forerunner of TrueNas core and later TrueNas scale. In that beginning it booted from a USB stick just like today’s Unraid. I never had more problems in my life than with a USB solution. Sticks would hiccup, the community recommended, you need a better stick. Sticks would fail to boot after time, community, you need to choose a better USB manufacture. As FreeNas evolved you could backup your configuration, mirror your boot device and finally ZFS it. However, today, TrueNas will constantly complain if you try to use a USB stick as a boot device and they strongly recommend that you don’t set yourself up for failure. I love the MacGyver spirit that Unraid allows, to roll your own JBOD solution with whatever you have lying around. But don’t start building a data safety net out of weakest link components. At the minimum replace that USB with an SSD USB solution. Remember if you break it you get to keep both pieces.

  • @clipperbob960
    @clipperbob960 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for all that you do! You provide amazing in depth unbiased reviews that I am sure is very time consuming. Please don’t read the comments and keep light shine brightly. 😊

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@clipperbob960 thank you! Comments like these mean more than you know!

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TechnoTim @clipperbob960 the vid is actually biased maybe not tim's intensions but there's a lot of missing point in the vid regarding unraid

  • @iankester-haney3315
    @iankester-haney3315 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As I understand it, you can expand a zfs pool pretty easily. You add larger capacity drives as spares and remove smaller drives through the UI.

  • @aidanbazan7769
    @aidanbazan7769 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Data expansions is pretty much the main reason I am sticking with unraid. I am getting full on current storage? Pop down to the local electronics shop, buy a hard drive, pop it in.

  • @cheebadigga4092
    @cheebadigga4092 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think you have reached the pinnacle of beardness! Looks good, don't change it! :D

  • @boicutt
    @boicutt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just recycled some parts to make my first NAS over the weekend, been watching thousands of videos of truenas vs unraid, still can't make up my mind jfc...

  • @xDNightmarex
    @xDNightmarex 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What always bothers me is: they are so much more than a NAS... what if I just want storage with a GUI and not all the stuff tacked onto it?
    Currently looking into TurnKey Fileserver... maybe that will suit me better.

    • @majorgear1021
      @majorgear1021 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just don’t use the features that you don’t need. Simple!

  • @mcebelt
    @mcebelt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can backup the USB drive for unraid, It doesnt make it perfect, but it does make it better, you are not limited to that one single usb drive.

  • @2ndtlmining
    @2ndtlmining 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate the video and hard going into it. I am a truenas core user and looking for bare metal replacement/extra backup and this is gold content for me to make a decision on

  • @myname7118
    @myname7118 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve been using scale for a couple years. Something that I think deserved mention, even though you said you were ignoring the future, is that scale is ditching k3s/helm. I think there are going to be a lot of pissed off users when that happens and would likely affect my decision if I were comparing options today. I just finished migrating my scale server to jails/docker because Plex and application updates completely quit working (thanks truecharts!) and I basically wiped out my entire library during troubleshooting.

  • @recoveryguru
    @recoveryguru 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like Unraid for the ease of creating a all in one Server/Workstation. I pass through a GPU, SSD, and USB card to a VM and I have one box to use as my PC and also a nice ZFS NAS system for serving movies, home security, cloud storage, ad blocking, password manager, and Minecraft server.

  • @TheNorthRemember
    @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    trueNAS (ZFS) need storage size planned ahead that's alone is a deal breaker for someone who just start homelab ing, not to mention the idea of vDevs 😣.
    with unraid you can use drives of multiple sizes and grow overtime with no isse, if you just started your journey stick with Unraid.

  • @4eyesleo
    @4eyesleo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for video, Tim! After this one I might consider give Unraid a chance... Sometime )

  • @SuperPsychoPirate
    @SuperPsychoPirate 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great video, I myself use a debian install but I really like to hear what you have to say about TrueNAS. I have used Unraid before but I value my data to much.

  • @FizzGiGG55123
    @FizzGiGG55123 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TT, thanks for this. I was digging around looking into what my next NAS and Plex server hardware will be, and it appears that TrueNAS on a single box is the solution. I'm excited that I won't have to be dealing with the complexities of two discrete devices. I'd love to have a rack mountable server, and noticed that it appears you used what looks like a drawer? HA! I'll dig through your videos as I am sure you talked about it already.

  • @meccu19
    @meccu19 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Don't think this is fair comparsion. You have more idea about TrueNas, and way less about Unraid.

  • @KapitanMokraFaja
    @KapitanMokraFaja 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Uhmm Unraid support ISCSI targets easily. There is a system option/plugin to turn it on.

    • @llortaton2834
      @llortaton2834 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If you can find it in their horrendous UI.

    • @KapitanMokraFaja
      @KapitanMokraFaja 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@llortaton2834 Well compared to TrueNas I find the GUI MUCH more user friendly. It is not perfect by any means, but truenas hold the crown for least user friendly nas gui.

    • @TechnoTim
      @TechnoTim  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I think you missed the rules section where I discussed the framework for this 😅. This is enabled via 3rd party plugin and no native support.

  • @ot7302
    @ot7302 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think budget comes into play here as well, zfs can be expensive for beginners.

    • @lzrjck69
      @lzrjck69 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It basically erases the cost of an Unraid license. Dumping in every drive you have lying around is SOOOOOOO much cheaper than shelling out for matched drives on ZFS.
      TrueNAS feels like a professional OS cosplaying as a homelab environment, where Unraid feels like it’s homelab first. (That’s exactly what they are).

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lzrjck69 exactly, the zfs vdevs need to be planned ahead and to have more (matching) drives than what you could do with unraid

  • @arubial1229
    @arubial1229 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TrueNAS is just that…a NAS. Unraid is much better when used as a media server. The Docker implementation (and how you add shares to containers) is sooooo much better on Unraid than TrueNAS. I’m also genuinely shocked he gave the nod to TrueNAS for the App Store and VMs. Unraid is so much better IMO.

  • @Sapious1
    @Sapious1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was one of the best UR/TN comparison videos I've watched, thank you. I'm sticking with TN. I don't see how this would divide users, it's simply a good average comparison of each systems implementation of features and how it might benefit the end user needs and experience.

  • @pwborders
    @pwborders 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not a bad comparison but you might have started out with the fact that you have years of time invested in Truenas and maybe a month in Unraid, at least that is what it looks like from your other videos. As someone that has working the industry for as long as raid has existed I have one big reason to use
    Unraid. A raid array can handle x disk failures, as can an Unraid array, but in raid, x + 1 means 100% data loss, with Unraid all the unaffected disks still retain all the data that is easily usable. Also for a home user the ability to spin down unused drive not only saves power but saves wear on the drives.

  • @Vrozaksen
    @Vrozaksen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:46 there is option in unraid to add your own repo :) its on te left
    I started with TrueNAS Core and bounced off because of bhyve, then i settled on Unraid for last couple years. I'm lucky one with 1-time payment for license and i can upgrade it (i use Plus one for now). I really like how TrueNAS Scale looks and works, but it's better for me to just add single drive to whole array if i need to expand :)
    Edit: I hope there will be second part for this video as "Community Best NAS" or something.

  • @amlucent
    @amlucent 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With unraid you can make snapshots of your appdata by ensuring the disk with appdata on it is formatted with a file system that supports snapshots such as btrfs or zfs. Of course it’s then best practice to send that snapshot to another disk in the array that also uses that same file system.

  • @rogerhuston8287
    @rogerhuston8287 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm just now started thinking of replacing my Synology NAS so thank you very much!

  • @someinternetdude4159
    @someinternetdude4159 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well, 2 and a half mins into the video and the choice is made... he said the forbidden word...'Subscription'... TrueNAS it is then.

  • @marekkedzierski8237
    @marekkedzierski8237 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good thing I bought my Unraid license before those changes.

  • @ronwatkins5775
    @ronwatkins5775 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im an older guy who's familiar with HW raid and it's robustness against power loss. I have not used ZFS but im wondering how it compares in terms of power loss? Im worried about loss of transactional data or in-memory data which appears to be checkpointed but may be lost. Is there any good videos covering the difference in reliability between traditional HW Raid and ZFS?

  • @gumbypokey7
    @gumbypokey7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's tough to compare these two. They each have vastly different approaches while providing a similar function. Unraid is no frills which is why almost everything you need isn't baked in but is instead available on the app store. I think Unraid is more DIY/modder friendly than TrueNAS especially if you run a lot of apps on your NAS. Going from TrueNAS Core to Unraid was night and day for me and I never looked back.

  • @pieronompleggio3910
    @pieronompleggio3910 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the video, I’m building my first NAS after leaving a Synology, and I’m looking at truenas unraid and proxmox. What you think of CasaOS and Umbrel OS?

    • @lofiplays_live
      @lofiplays_live 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Casa and Umbrel Os arent really made for NAS applications.... for a solution that doesnt need much knowledge or maintenance Unraid is the better and easy option. For me the pirce of Unraid makes it not so appealing as i dont have that high of an income. True Nas is really robust and great but has a lot of things that need to be learned in order tzo make it function well.

  • @pommesmayo
    @pommesmayo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Truecharts pulled the plug on direct integration in TrueNAS. They provide a migration path but that is rather a "run talon os in a vm and let it do all the magic"

  • @CYBTHOR
    @CYBTHOR 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Definitely a BIASED video! How long have you been using Unraid? Some of your pain points could have been easily fixed with more research.

  • @TheAsjdj
    @TheAsjdj 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the video, i respect your opinion.
    I personally plan on using both, one is free the other is paid so i get both of best world without it being to much. I plan on using 2 QNAP D400S JBOD with 2 miniforum ms-01 machines.
    Being able to learn both and use both is in my opinion the ideal way. But that's also because energy is freaking cheap where i live so i don't think about how much i use or run really.

  • @LubricantJam
    @LubricantJam 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I'm not entirely sure this was a fair video in my opinion, you mention TrueNAS is your daily but yet have only used Unraid for a month or two. Which to me, doesn't really give much of a fair comparison as like you mentioned, a UI is a UI and once you learn where things are, you remember how to navigate through it. There's a bunch of features in this video you mention Unraid doesn't have but are available to you on the UI, granted not the best visibility wise but they're there. I feel like this video would be a good comparison if you had as much experience on TrueNAS as you do Unraid.

  • @chenxinpan3797
    @chenxinpan3797 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm curious how well these two systems support intel's performance cores/efficiency cores? After all, in windows we had to upgrade to the latest win11 for a better way of scheduling the cores

  • @everythinginnutshell4021
    @everythinginnutshell4021 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Quick question: Can I run website hosting service like vps, share hosting, wordpress hosting,etc., using Unraid NAS? If yes, could you please make a video on it.

  • @FrigidSouls
    @FrigidSouls 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video Tim! Unraid does some amazing stuff, but data security is too high on my list to use it now. TrueNAS is a great product but I shy away from the apps on it. I myself run a Debian machine with docker and portainer. I do not feel like you divided anything, just gave a great perspective on what you think. To me that is more valuable then anything else.

  • @frankwong9486
    @frankwong9486 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Unraid spin up less disk when access which is good for me
    It still quick enough for 2.5G network connection

  • @paulw7404
    @paulw7404 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One question - How long have you been using Unraid for? Compared to TrueNAS

    • @TheNorthRemember
      @TheNorthRemember 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the time it takes to wach (Spaceinvader One) videos LOL

  • @michaeljaques77
    @michaeljaques77 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't have money for multiples of disks for pools, so unRAID it is! I'm also grandfathered into the old pricing so I have that going for me.

  • @CharizardSnyper
    @CharizardSnyper 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should've asked questions in the unraid discord server (or forums) when you were trying to fund a way to backup your containers/VMs configs. Same thing applies for the hardware passtrough.

  • @mrgoodcatwarzone
    @mrgoodcatwarzone 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video. I'll be using TrueNAS.