Watch my Uncut Reaction here!: patreon.com/larissazeeuwe 🤩 Sadly had to reupload after a copyright claim. I did have some interesting discussions in de the comments yesterday and noticed that a lot of people didn’t understand te point I was making about the relationship of Crosby and Sandra. Someone did tell me that he slept with her in real life, so I can only respect that they translated the real events to the screen. However the point I was trying to make was not about them sleeping together, but the fact that shows like this never introduce a woman that is not only there to sleep with a man, while there were so many women also doing their part in the war. I get that it’s shown way less, because they weren’t soldiers, but it is very noticeable that they never show any of the good things a woman did without her having to sleep with one of the men after. So like I explained, it feels like they only introduce a woman in these kind of shows for a man and not for her own achievements. When they introduced Sandra and really focused on her funny personality I had hopes that we would finally just see a strong woman for her own personality and own achievements in this show. When it appeared that was again not the case in this episode, it felt very predictable and a bit disappointing, because it is always the same direction they’re going in. So to sum this up, I don’t care that they sleep together. Yes it was a little sad to me because for what it seemed they had such a nice friendship and I liked what was going on there without them having to sleep together. But especially because it happened in real life, it is all okay with me that they showed this The point remains that they never introduce a woman who did something good in the war without her being there for a man. This was mostly just an observation and it didn't necessarily only mean Crosby's and Sandra's relationship. Hope it makes more sense now.
I understand your point, but actually think the show did a good job with Sandra. Even though, Crosby did have an affair with her, the series still makes it clear that she has her own personality and objective. Even in the restaurant, she was dressed in her military uniform. Like Crosby, she is not a civilian. Meaning, she is not a random woman who only exists to sleep with the male lead.
I have to disagree. There are several women from the Red Cross that are introduced in the show that are strong and contributing. The Belgian and French Resistance women don't simply exist to sleep with the men. And I think you will see in the next episode that there is a lot more for Sandra to do than simply sleep with Crosby.
6:35 The multiple flares coming from the B-17's are an indicator of how many injured they have on board That plane. I haven't heard anybody say that yet
Why are you assuming wives back home were not doing the same thing their husbands were doing in England.? According to James Jones, (author of From Here to Eternity), it was quite common. When you don't know if you will ever see your spouse again, you are highly likely to engage in behavior you wouldn't consider in peace time. There is also the loneliness factor. A lot of marriages broke up during The War. The husband would receive a "Dear John " letter, asking for a divorce because she met someone and fell in love.
I believe that the secret work of that woman who associated with Captain Crosby was at Bletchley Park. The work done at Bletchley Park was so secret that it only became known to the world in the 1970s, almost 30 years after the end of the war.
Yea when she was first introduced I started putting pieces together and figured she was intelligence. She goes to the university to observe what the professors are talking about. A lot of professors were communist sympathizers and the crown was interesting in knowing who they were. Also the party they come across if you pay attention to the woman singing she's singing about the Chinese and Soviets so it could be guessed that was a communist get together and her instructions were laso to check that out as well in plain sight.
The series later hints that she was from the British SOE, but the series does not delve deeper into the character. After a few episodes she disappears. I don't understand why they created this character and then disappeared with her.@@ryanhampson673
Rosenthal’s straight-of-mind is fairly simple to figure out. He is Jewish and has a personal connection to the war, but also feels the need to mentor the younger crews. Part of the reason, even in the series, the 100th suffered such high casualties was due to poor leadership and training. Someone needed to break that cycle, and we saw that in this episode. The new commanding officer flew the mission with the boys, and the best and most experienced pilot chose to stay.
At this stage of the war, nobody knew of the scale of the holocaust Taking place besides the people who were POWs and civilians who were rounded up and sent to work/concentration/death camps. It’s hard to imagine but for the vast majority of the war, the holocaust was carried out in secrecy.
@@skysamurai8268 - Stop acting like no one knew the basics of what was happening in Europe. Rosenthal spoke about the antisemitism he experienced in 1930s Brooklyn. Many members of the 100th thought he had family in Europe. Rosie even hints at it in Ep.6, when talking to the doctor. Just because the scale of the devastation was not known, does not mean it happened in secret or a vacuum. There were reports about the mass shootings of Jews for years, and everyone knew Kristallnacht happened. The world just chose to ignore it and shrug it off as war propaganda, because the average person could not comprehend that type of cruelty existed.
@@skysamurai8268 - Even Nate Mann, the actor who plays Rosie, spoke about his own grandfather’s straight-of-mind in 1940. Jews in America wanted to protect the society that allowed them to live. They knew what was at stake if the Allies lost.
@@ChienaAvtzon dude, expelling Jews and having a strong dislike for them in 1930’s Europe (besides Germany) and America, despite it being terrible, is a HUGE difference to murdering them by the millions. How about YOU stop pretending to not understand what I was actually saying! And then arguing over some shitty little nuance you’ve come up with to deflect from the fact that until late 1944 and then 1945, concentration and death camps were a secret kept by the higher echelons of the Nazi party and the SS and Gestapo. They went to great lengths to camouflage the camps. For gods sake they even made auschwitz look like a train station, not just to the Jews who were going there to be killed and worked to death, but to keep it from the average Nazi citizen also! So STFU, no need for nuances and shitty little discrepancies. You knew exactly what I was referring to and that was the NAZI aims and goals referred to as “The Final Solution” to the Jewish “problem”.
@@ChienaAvtzon what are you talking about? Individual incidents is far from murdering 10’s of thousands every day in a number of camps that were kept secret until the liberation of said camps. You knew exactly what I was talking about. So how about YOU stop pretending that I was referring to the individual instances you are talking about, which was minor compared to the likes of the Jewish people who lost their lives in individual places such as Auschwitz or Dachau. The death and concentration camps were kept secret by the Nazis, even kept a secret from many of their own average citizen. The SS, Gestapo and the higher echelons of the Nazi party and high ranking officers knew the sheer scale of the final solution. Please stop with the false accusations and claims that you didn’t know what I was referring to. The western allies never knew the camps were in existence for death purposes only. Only the people who saw first hand and managed to survive are the ones who knew as it was taking place. When the camps were liberated, the scale of it was only then learned. Nobody was saying there was not antisemitism in the west or The US, but we hardly exterminated them by the millions did we? No! That was Nazi Germany! So jump off that high horse and stop trying to argue schematics……. Imbecile. Looking for a argument with a stranger who hasn’t even disagreed with you, rather adding to what you said 😂😂
"It can't be that hard..." In any other situation I think Crosby would have remained faithful to his wife, but he was facing death in the face on a daily basis - either going up in the air, planning the routes that he knew would get airmen killed, watching the surviving planes land carrying dead and dying crewmen, or simply writing the letters home to inform family's of the loss of their sons - he sort comfort in a kindred spirit.
The time jump between episode 6 and 7 is 6-8 months, which is why the story just jumps like it does. Egan and Clevin have been in that camp for at least 6 months at this point.
There are things to remember regarding Rosie Rosenthal. He was a well educated Jewish man, and before the war he followed the news in Europe very closely. He felt compelled to enlist after Pearl Harbor to fight the Nazi regime. He later stated that the war was very personal for him. regarding the 25 to 30 minutes: At this point in the war the bombers had P-51 fighter aircraft going with them on missions to protect them. That meant the Germans were suffering far greater losses than the USAAF. Also the Germans were losing pilots they were not able to replace easily. It became a war of attrition. As the quality of the German pilots went down it became far easier for the Americans and Brits to survive missions. Hence, 30 missions instead of 25. This episode takes place JUST before D-Day and the invasion of Europe by the allies. As stated in this episode, the allies NEEDED two things before they could attempt a landing in France. They had to have supremacy in the air, or the Germans might have attacked the fleet and caused untold carnage. They also needed to neutralize the German submarine fleet in the channel.
These last couple episodes are really the turning point for the US bomber command. At the time, they thought destroying the German production plants would halt their war effort, but it had very little impact. Behind the scenes, General Eisenhower changed the head of bomber command to pilot James Doolittle, who was responsible for the famed Doolittle raid against the Japanese in 1942. Doolittle’s shift in strategy was really the best plan to beat the Luftwaffe. Because of the shift in overall strategy, bomber losses for the entire 8th Air Force went down. This is why the upped the end of mission requirements to 30 and later 35.
The british managed to hide a lot of secret radios in stalag Luft 3 and americans and brits built a few as well. Two of my favourites are the one the brits hid in an accordian and another they hit in a model sail boat
Quinn and Bailey took over 6 to 8 months to get home. Shot down in august. Took around 5 to 6 months just to get into spain another month to get to gibralter and then back in UK within the month. In november 1943 in the local paper baileys parents received a medal on his behalf at that point though they hadnt heard anything about him in over 3 months
So minor thing that's made clear if you've ever watched "The Great Escape" (movie made about the British escape attempt using the tunnels) but captured officers have a duty to escape and cause as much problems as they can behind enemy lines.
Crystal radios are incredibly cool pieces of technology. Actually very simple to make if you know how and they don't require any power source. The energy from the actual radio waves powers the radio so you don't need any electricity.
Crosby mentions in his memior that when unescorted women etc found out he was from the 100th and a survivor he became very popular and his confidence grew as well. Got a lot of attention
In his book he is very lukewarm in describing his wife and getting married before shipping out. It didn't strike me that he was passionately in love with his wife during his time in Great Britain. At first. But then she endeared herself to him with all her letter writing. She became his lifeline back to the united states. Later in 1944 he got a 20 day leave to go home and visist and they really had time for a honeymoon and got to know each other. That is when he really fell in love with her. Meanwhile, before he went on leave, he had broken it off with Landra (not Sandra as she is called in the series). He never told his wife about his affair with Landra while she was alive. He waited until after her death many decades later before writing about Landra.
Thanks for continuing to react to this series. Yes...IF they had chosen to just focus every episode on "the missions"...it would have been very repetitive (alas some have complained about that over the first 3 episodes). That was the nature of this type of combat (leave base...fly toward the target...flak...then fighters...bomb...fly back to base...flak...then fighters...land at base. Lather, Rinse, Repeat). The human cost of flying these missions was BRUTAL...as they have been showing...and often the results were questionable. The individual successes like Rosie's was a BIG deal. The character of Rosie Rosenthal is amazing. A true hero. 2 episodes left...and it seems the focus will be shifting again...I remain very interested (and still place this series between BoB and The Pacific).
Great reaction like always. The P-51 was really a game changer in the war they could fly and fight with British and American bombers all the way to Berlin and back again. Its range was so large that it even began to replace British Spitfires towards the end of the war. On their way back from escort duty Mustangs would also take out targets of opportunity like enemy trucks, barges, and trains. And the escape of the prisoner camp of Stalag Luft 3 at Zagan in what is now Poland is well documented, the Royal Air Force Squadron Leader Roger Bushell came up with a plan to get 200 of his men out of the camp. The plan consisted of the men digging three separate tunnels which were named Tom, Dick, and Harry respectively. The genius of the plan was that, if one tunnel was discovered, the German officers would never consider the existence of two more tunnels. After a full year, the tunnel called Harry was finally complete. These tunnels were not simply holes in the ground, but were complex systems that included air circulation, staging posts, and tools made of tin cans. In March 1944, as the Gestapo ordered Stalag Luft III to increase efforts against escape, Bushell's plan went into action. Due to unforeseen problems such as tunnel collapse and inclement weather, only 76 men were able to escape via the tunnel rather than 200, and the 77th man who tried to escape was caught, leading the Germans to uncover the conspiracy. And this was the inspiration for the movie THE GREAT ESCAPE (1963) with Steve McQueen you should watch it, amazing. Keep up the good work.
The change in number of missions was for 2 main reasons: first the heavy casualties meant the supply of replacement people (and machines)was very strained as you saw. The second was that with the introduction of long range fighter escorts, losses of men and machines dropped fairly dramatically and the Luftwaffe threat also declined. The main threat in the technical field was that the Germans could develop Surface to air missiles and guided air to air missiles, both of which they were working on doing. Success would virtually spell the end of the Bombing campaign in many ways.
No, Rosie doesn’t have “PTSD”…he’s a man of conviction and also Jewish, it’s quite simple for him and frankly was quite simple for me the viewer as well. That and the comment regarding Crosby kind of rubbed me the wrong way if im being honest.
Exactly…. the show only had Rosie state that he is Jewish once, and it was in a humorous setting. Meaning, they are treating the audience like adults where his religion and ethnicity does not always need to be mentioned outright. The episode even highlighted what he is risking by re-upping, since the Germans are looking for Jewish airmen in the Stalags.
Well....someone can be both a man of conviction, and have PTSD. Some people suffering shy away from danger as a result of trauma and others deal with it by running towards it. No shame either way, so why be upset?
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 - The character does not have PTSD. Rosie is just Jewish, and knows what he is fighting against. The war is personal for him, and is taking a different emotional toll on him. He cannot go home while Jews in Europe are being persecuted and murdered. It is pretty simple, and has nothing to do with PTSD.
@@ChienaAvtzon LOL! The "character" was a man, who very well may have had PTSD. People can have very mild PTSD, or they can have severe PTSD. Oh, and BTW, there were THOUSANDS of Jewish American WW2 who not only had PTSD in varying degrees, but were also passionately committed to defeating the Nazis. Again, in this case, TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT ONCE! 😆
With the introduction of the P-51 Mustang, the Luftwaffe began to take serious losses, and so resorted to a combination of improving tactics and WunderWaffe. US and British airmen would soon be seeing jet (Me262 Schwalbe and He162 Salamander) and rocket-powered (Me163 Komet) fighter-interceptors. Stalag-Luft III was located in Upper Silesia near Breslau (now Wrócław, Poland). The camps were cordoned by nationality. American and British POWs were usually treated well, while Soviet POWs were often worked to death in forced labor camps. Red Cross aid packages sent to POWs would often contain hidden-purpose items crafted by the SOE and OSS to enable downed flyers to escape. The RAF uniforms were also designed to be easily converted into civilian-style clothing.
We will se more of Sandra in this series and her role in the war besides her relationship with Crosby. There was good reasons for her to not tell to much to Crosby
@@LarissaZeeuweif you would like to see a film that is based on the escape that they spoke about at about the 16:30 mark, then watch the 1963 film The Great Escape starring Steve McQueen and a cast of, at the time, very well known actors!!!
The scene with the mail call. The one saying its a letter from his mom. He wrote her after he was initially captured , so that response to him took 5 to 6 months
If you want to know more about the story behind "The Great Escape" of the RAF POWs, then see the 1960s movie with the same title. It's a classic war film with an all-star cast.
I think Crosby's storyline is quite complicated and would deserve much more screentime... in a different type of show. I can see the paradoxy in this story that BECAUSE he is married he seeks the company of a woman who is not entirely a stranger to him. A woman who in peace time could have been a good friend of his, but in the emotional and mental chaos of the war the whole thing just slipped into a sexual relationship. Crosby is not like Bucky, who easily ends up in the bed of a total stranger. He is not like Douglass, who probably writes the same clumsy love letter to every girl. Generally , I would agree with you about the need of more stories about male-female friendships without turning into sexual relationships. Also it's kind of annoying that in this type of stories it's always taken granted that the woman who is hooked up with the protagonist is into it too, undoubtably. But in Crosby's case, seeing what type of character he is, the from-firiends-to-lovers thrope basically make sense. My problem with this storyline is that obviously the show has only a short amount of screentime to dramatize the progress of slipping into a different type of relationship. They have some other stories, more pivotal stories to tell. Fortunatelly. It is a war drama series after all. But unfortunatelly this romantic plotline stuck in the noman's land of storytelling. It's already bigger than just not paying attention to it, but as I said, the story had to be told in only a few scenes/ episode. And they just wasted those few scenes for unncesssary bed scenes. Not once, but twice. And that makes this storyline (at least what we have seen in episode 7) very cheap. In my opinion it would have been much more useful to show a scene about their phone call. It would have served much more the purpose to dramstize Crosby's (also Sarah's) state of mind, the mentally exhaustion, the soul-destroying situation etc, etc.
if you want to read a really good book on the real story of the British Great Escape , the build up, effort of construction, during and the aftermath from the perspective of one the escapees. See if you can get a copy of Moonless Night by B.A. "Jimmy" James. Absolutely fascinating story and one i think anyone wanting to know more would enjoy
The P51 wasnt that great until they lent some to the british and a british Test pilot went what if we fit them with Rolls Royce Merlin engines instead ( same as spitfire and other planes) improved the performacne massively and made it the escort fighter needed
Buzzing the tower was actually quite illegal and could be severely fined for it something like £500 dollars each maybe which in those days were a lot. A story of one crew that reached 25 the night before they did a fundraiser around their unit to raise the money for the fine
Maybe I'm just completely missing your point but how is it even possible to be "disappointed" with a situation that was based on real facts? I can't understand your frustration, these were real people, with real emotions and fears so basically your frustrated with human beings seeking comfort with sex instead of platonic friendship not necessarily the show??
"I get it but" no u dont get it, only men get it. If u dont have men that do what it takes, u wont enjoy ur liberty to complain about everything, youve got a lot to say probably maybe if you are the one in that situation u cant do sh*t.
Crosby alludes to the relationship in the book but doesnt go into detail about what they did per say. He also didnt tell his wife or admit to anything till his book which i think happened after her death
I watched an interview with a former B17 crewman who spent time in Stalag Luft 6. He said the Germans would be vengeful when they found out the allies had some sort of victory or successful bombing raid over the Germans. Here’s the link if anyone is interested th-cam.com/video/pO7mQpOlMqw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YJaYK26ldj6hHwjW
People I know who are involved the war in Ukraine both men and women some seek ways to feel alive with all death and misery the are exposed to daily. Some have sexual relationships even if they have a significant partner back home.. it is a way to stay sane.
This tells me you still don’t get any of what I just said lol, because I literally said the same thing, that I get it’s a stress relief and all. Not the point I was making.
I think she's skipping the human nature portion pretending human beings should have a high moral code but that's never been the case sex and honey traps produced a great deal of Intel
Hi there - I only discovered you channel last week and really like your approach and the obvious joy you have making them. I wonder if, maybe on the final episode, you could bring your film student skills to bear on the way the show has such an unrelenting point of view. We are always with the airmen (whether inside the planes or on the ground) with comparatively few establishing shots. We catch glimpses of other reactions and emotions, but always stay with the crews. I can't think of another show that is so unrelenting - not even Band of Brothers. Anyway, looking forward to Doctor Who's arrival next week!
CRYSTAL RADIO uses the power of the received radio signal to produce sound (needs no external power source) These cheap homemade radio kits were popular in the 1920s and 30s A Look At Two Crystal Radios th-cam.com/video/Uer7xSEPh3k/w-d-xo.html 1921 Westinghouse Aeriola Jr. Crystal Radio th-cam.com/video/JbWldwueBho/w-d-xo.html How a Crystal Radio Works th-cam.com/video/0-PParSmwtE/w-d-xo.html --- STALAG 17 (1953) MOVIE POW camp fictional THE GREAT ESCAPE (1963) MOVIE is a true story of American and British POW prisoners of war escape (1944 March) (Thanks - Dave Strong)
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I did have some interesting discussions in de the comments yesterday and noticed that a lot of people didn’t understand te point I was making about the relationship of Crosby and Sandra.
Someone did tell me that he slept with her in real life, so I can only respect that they translated the real events to the screen.
However the point I was trying to make was not about them sleeping together, but the fact that shows like this never introduce a woman that is not only there to sleep with a man, while there were so many women also doing their part in the war.
I get that it’s shown way less, because they weren’t soldiers, but it is very noticeable that they never show any of the good things a woman did without her having to sleep with one of the men after.
So like I explained, it feels like they only introduce a woman in these kind of shows for a man and not for her own achievements.
When they introduced Sandra and really focused on her funny personality I had hopes that we would finally just see a strong woman for her own personality and own achievements in this show.
When it appeared that was again not the case in this episode, it felt very predictable and a bit disappointing, because it is always the same direction they’re going in.
So to sum this up, I don’t care that they sleep together. Yes it was a little sad to me because for what it seemed they had such a nice friendship and I liked what was going on there without them having to sleep together. But especially because it happened in real life, it is all okay with me that they showed this
The point remains that they never introduce a woman who did something good in the war without her being there for a man.
This was mostly just an observation and it didn't necessarily only mean Crosby's and Sandra's relationship.
Hope it makes more sense now.
I understand your point, but actually think the show did a good job with Sandra. Even though, Crosby did have an affair with her, the series still makes it clear that she has her own personality and objective. Even in the restaurant, she was dressed in her military uniform. Like Crosby, she is not a civilian. Meaning, she is not a random woman who only exists to sleep with the male lead.
I have to disagree. There are several women from the Red Cross that are introduced in the show that are strong and contributing. The Belgian and French Resistance women don't simply exist to sleep with the men. And I think you will see in the next episode that there is a lot more for Sandra to do than simply sleep with Crosby.
6:35 The multiple flares coming from the B-17's are an indicator of how many injured they have on board That plane. I haven't heard anybody say that yet
Why are you assuming wives back home were not doing the same thing their husbands were doing in England.? According to James Jones, (author of From Here to Eternity), it was quite common. When you don't know if you will ever see your spouse again, you are highly likely to engage in behavior you wouldn't consider in peace time. There is also the loneliness factor. A lot of marriages broke up during The War. The husband would receive a "Dear John " letter, asking for a divorce because she met someone and fell in love.
I believe that the secret work of that woman who associated with Captain Crosby was at Bletchley Park. The work done at Bletchley Park was so secret that it only became known to the world in the 1970s, almost 30 years after the end of the war.
Yea when she was first introduced I started putting pieces together and figured she was intelligence. She goes to the university to observe what the professors are talking about. A lot of professors were communist sympathizers and the crown was interesting in knowing who they were. Also the party they come across if you pay attention to the woman singing she's singing about the Chinese and Soviets so it could be guessed that was a communist get together and her instructions were laso to check that out as well in plain sight.
The series later hints that she was from the British SOE, but the series does not delve deeper into the character. After a few episodes she disappears. I don't understand why they created this character and then disappeared with her.@@ryanhampson673
Rosenthal’s straight-of-mind is fairly simple to figure out. He is Jewish and has a personal connection to the war, but also feels the need to mentor the younger crews. Part of the reason, even in the series, the 100th suffered such high casualties was due to poor leadership and training. Someone needed to break that cycle, and we saw that in this episode. The new commanding officer flew the mission with the boys, and the best and most experienced pilot chose to stay.
At this stage of the war, nobody knew of the scale of the holocaust Taking place besides the people who were POWs and civilians who were rounded up and sent to work/concentration/death camps. It’s hard to imagine but for the vast majority of the war, the holocaust was carried out in secrecy.
@@skysamurai8268 - Stop acting like no one knew the basics of what was happening in Europe. Rosenthal spoke about the antisemitism he experienced in 1930s Brooklyn. Many members of the 100th thought he had family in Europe. Rosie even hints at it in Ep.6, when talking to the doctor. Just because the scale of the devastation was not known, does not mean it happened in secret or a vacuum. There were reports about the mass shootings of Jews for years, and everyone knew Kristallnacht happened. The world just chose to ignore it and shrug it off as war propaganda, because the average person could not comprehend that type of cruelty existed.
@@skysamurai8268 - Even Nate Mann, the actor who plays Rosie, spoke about his own grandfather’s straight-of-mind in 1940. Jews in America wanted to protect the society that allowed them to live. They knew what was at stake if the Allies lost.
@@ChienaAvtzon dude, expelling Jews and having a strong dislike for them in 1930’s Europe (besides Germany) and America, despite it being terrible, is a HUGE difference to murdering them by the millions. How about YOU stop pretending to not understand what I was actually saying! And then arguing over some shitty little nuance you’ve come up with to deflect from the fact that until late 1944 and then 1945, concentration and death camps were a secret kept by the higher echelons of the Nazi party and the SS and Gestapo. They went to great lengths to camouflage the camps. For gods sake they even made auschwitz look like a train station, not just to the Jews who were going there to be killed and worked to death, but to keep it from the average Nazi citizen also! So STFU, no need for nuances and shitty little discrepancies. You knew exactly what I was referring to and that was the NAZI aims and goals referred to as “The Final Solution” to the Jewish “problem”.
@@ChienaAvtzon what are you talking about? Individual incidents is far from murdering 10’s of thousands every day in a number of camps that were kept secret until the liberation of said camps. You knew exactly what I was talking about. So how about YOU stop pretending that I was referring to the individual instances you are talking about, which was minor compared to the likes of the Jewish people who lost their lives in individual places such as Auschwitz or Dachau. The death and concentration camps were kept secret by the Nazis, even kept a secret from many of their own average citizen. The SS, Gestapo and the higher echelons of the Nazi party and high ranking officers knew the sheer scale of the final solution. Please stop with the false accusations and claims that you didn’t know what I was referring to.
The western allies never knew the camps were in existence for death purposes only. Only the people who saw first hand and managed to survive are the ones who knew as it was taking place. When the camps were liberated, the scale of it was only then learned. Nobody was saying there was not antisemitism in the west or The US, but we hardly exterminated them by the millions did we? No! That was Nazi Germany! So jump off that high horse and stop trying to argue schematics……. Imbecile. Looking for a argument with a stranger who hasn’t even disagreed with you, rather adding to what you said 😂😂
15:01 She didn't say that. She said, "I can see that you're married. Hopefully your wife trained you to keep the toilet seat down"
"It can't be that hard..."
In any other situation I think Crosby would have remained faithful to his wife, but he was facing death in the face on a daily basis - either going up in the air, planning the routes that he knew would get airmen killed, watching the surviving planes land carrying dead and dying crewmen, or simply writing the letters home to inform family's of the loss of their sons - he sort comfort in a kindred spirit.
The time jump between episode 6 and 7 is 6-8 months, which is why the story just jumps like it does. Egan and Clevin have been in that camp for at least 6 months at this point.
There are things to remember regarding Rosie Rosenthal. He was a well educated Jewish man, and before the war he followed the news in Europe very closely. He felt compelled to enlist after Pearl Harbor to fight the Nazi regime. He later stated that the war was very personal for him.
regarding the 25 to 30 minutes: At this point in the war the bombers had P-51 fighter aircraft going with them on missions to protect them. That meant the Germans were suffering far greater losses than the USAAF. Also the Germans were losing pilots they were not able to replace easily. It became a war of attrition. As the quality of the German pilots went down it became far easier for the Americans and Brits to survive missions. Hence, 30 missions instead of 25.
This episode takes place JUST before D-Day and the invasion of Europe by the allies. As stated in this episode, the allies NEEDED two things before they could attempt a landing in France. They had to have supremacy in the air, or the Germans might have attacked the fleet and caused untold carnage. They also needed to neutralize the German submarine fleet in the channel.
These last couple episodes are really the turning point for the US bomber command. At the time, they thought destroying the German production plants would halt their war effort, but it had very little impact. Behind the scenes, General Eisenhower changed the head of bomber command to pilot James Doolittle, who was responsible for the famed Doolittle raid against the Japanese in 1942. Doolittle’s shift in strategy was really the best plan to beat the Luftwaffe. Because of the shift in overall strategy, bomber losses for the entire 8th Air Force went down. This is why the upped the end of mission requirements to 30 and later 35.
The british managed to hide a lot of secret radios in stalag Luft 3 and americans and brits built a few as well.
Two of my favourites are the one the brits hid in an accordian and another they hit in a model sail boat
Quinn and Bailey took over 6 to 8 months to get home. Shot down in august. Took around 5 to 6 months just to get into spain another month to get to gibralter and then back in UK within the month.
In november 1943 in the local paper baileys parents received a medal on his behalf at that point though they hadnt heard anything about him in over 3 months
So minor thing that's made clear if you've ever watched "The Great Escape" (movie made about the British escape attempt using the tunnels) but captured officers have a duty to escape and cause as much problems as they can behind enemy lines.
They must have forgot to have the P51's to eject their drop tanks before they engaged the German fighters.
Crystal radios are incredibly cool pieces of technology. Actually very simple to make if you know how and they don't require any power source. The energy from the actual radio waves powers the radio so you don't need any electricity.
Crosby mentions in his memior that when unescorted women etc found out he was from the 100th and a survivor he became very popular and his confidence grew as well. Got a lot of attention
In his book he is very lukewarm in describing his wife and getting married before shipping out. It didn't strike me that he was passionately in love with his wife during his time in Great Britain. At first. But then she endeared herself to him with all her letter writing. She became his lifeline back to the united states. Later in 1944 he got a 20 day leave to go home and visist and they really had time for a honeymoon and got to know each other. That is when he really fell in love with her. Meanwhile, before he went on leave, he had broken it off with Landra (not Sandra as she is called in the series). He never told his wife about his affair with Landra while she was alive. He waited until after her death many decades later before writing about Landra.
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The reason why the German guard found the radio in the table leg was because of the nail sticking out
Thanks for continuing to react to this series. Yes...IF they had chosen to just focus every episode on "the missions"...it would have been very repetitive (alas some have complained about that over the first 3 episodes). That was the nature of this type of combat (leave base...fly toward the target...flak...then fighters...bomb...fly back to base...flak...then fighters...land at base. Lather, Rinse, Repeat). The human cost of flying these missions was BRUTAL...as they have been showing...and often the results were questionable. The individual successes like Rosie's was a BIG deal. The character of Rosie Rosenthal is amazing. A true hero. 2 episodes left...and it seems the focus will be shifting again...I remain very interested (and still place this series between BoB and The Pacific).
Great reaction like always. The P-51 was really a game changer in the war they could fly and fight with British and American bombers all the way to Berlin and back again. Its range was so large that it even began to replace British Spitfires towards the end of the war. On their way back from escort duty Mustangs would also take out targets of opportunity like enemy trucks, barges, and trains. And the escape of the prisoner camp of Stalag Luft 3 at Zagan in what is now Poland is well documented, the Royal Air Force Squadron Leader Roger Bushell came up with a plan to get 200 of his men out of the camp. The plan consisted of the men digging three separate tunnels which were named Tom, Dick, and Harry respectively. The genius of the plan was that, if one tunnel was discovered, the German officers would never consider the existence of two more tunnels. After a full year, the tunnel called Harry was finally complete. These tunnels were not simply holes in the ground, but were complex systems that included air circulation, staging posts, and tools made of tin cans. In March 1944, as the Gestapo ordered Stalag Luft III to increase efforts against escape, Bushell's plan went into action. Due to unforeseen problems such as tunnel collapse and inclement weather, only 76 men were able to escape via the tunnel rather than 200, and the 77th man who tried to escape was caught, leading the Germans to uncover the conspiracy. And this was the inspiration for the movie THE GREAT ESCAPE (1963) with Steve McQueen you should watch it, amazing. Keep up the good work.
The change in number of missions was for 2 main reasons: first the heavy casualties meant the supply of replacement people (and machines)was very strained as you saw. The second was that with the introduction of long range fighter escorts, losses of men and machines dropped fairly dramatically and the Luftwaffe threat also declined. The main threat in the technical field was that the Germans could develop Surface to air missiles and guided air to air missiles, both of which they were working on doing. Success would virtually spell the end of the Bombing campaign in many ways.
No, Rosie doesn’t have “PTSD”…he’s a man of conviction and also Jewish, it’s quite simple for him and frankly was quite simple for me the viewer as well. That and the comment regarding Crosby kind of rubbed me the wrong way if im being honest.
Exactly…. the show only had Rosie state that he is Jewish once, and it was in a humorous setting. Meaning, they are treating the audience like adults where his religion and ethnicity does not always need to be mentioned outright. The episode even highlighted what he is risking by re-upping, since the Germans are looking for Jewish airmen in the Stalags.
Well....someone can be both a man of conviction, and have PTSD. Some people suffering shy away from danger as a result of trauma and others deal with it by running towards it. No shame either way, so why be upset?
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 - The character does not have PTSD.
Rosie is just Jewish, and knows what he is fighting against. The war is personal for him, and is taking a different emotional toll on him. He cannot go home while Jews in Europe are being persecuted and murdered. It is pretty simple, and has nothing to do with PTSD.
@@ChienaAvtzon LOL! The "character" was a man, who very well may have had PTSD. People can have very mild PTSD, or they can have severe PTSD. Oh, and BTW, there were THOUSANDS of Jewish American WW2 who not only had PTSD in varying degrees, but were also passionately committed to defeating the Nazis. Again, in this case, TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT ONCE! 😆
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 that’s a lot of cool words you wrote but Rosie still didn’t have PTSD.
With the introduction of the P-51 Mustang, the Luftwaffe began to take serious losses, and so resorted to a combination of improving tactics and WunderWaffe. US and British airmen would soon be seeing jet (Me262 Schwalbe and He162 Salamander) and rocket-powered (Me163 Komet) fighter-interceptors.
Stalag-Luft III was located in Upper Silesia near Breslau (now Wrócław, Poland). The camps were cordoned by nationality. American and British POWs were usually treated well, while Soviet POWs were often worked to death in forced labor camps.
Red Cross aid packages sent to POWs would often contain hidden-purpose items crafted by the SOE and OSS to enable downed flyers to escape. The RAF uniforms were also designed to be easily converted into civilian-style clothing.
The international red cross, in Switzerland handled notifying governments about who was captured, forwarding mail, also the treatment of Prisoners.
We will se more of Sandra in this series and her role in the war besides her relationship with Crosby. There was good reasons for her to not tell to much to Crosby
Yea I think so too, looking forward to finding out more about her.
@@LarissaZeeuweif you would like to see a film that is based on the escape that they spoke about at about the 16:30 mark, then watch the 1963 film The Great Escape starring Steve McQueen and a cast of, at the time, very well known actors!!!
The scene with the mail call. The one saying its a letter from his mom. He wrote her after he was initially captured , so that response to him took 5 to 6 months
there is a reason dogfights were sometimes called furballs
If you want to know more about the story behind "The Great Escape" of the RAF POWs, then see the 1960s movie with the same title. It's a classic war film with an all-star cast.
I think Crosby's storyline is quite complicated and would deserve much more screentime... in a different type of show.
I can see the paradoxy in this story that BECAUSE he is married he seeks the company of a woman who is not entirely a stranger to him. A woman who in peace time could have been a good friend of his, but in the emotional and mental chaos of the war the whole thing just slipped into a sexual relationship. Crosby is not like Bucky, who easily ends up in the bed of a total stranger. He is not like Douglass, who probably writes the same clumsy love letter to every girl.
Generally , I would agree with you about the need of more stories about male-female friendships without turning into sexual relationships. Also it's kind of annoying that in this type of stories it's always taken granted that the woman who is hooked up with the protagonist is into it too, undoubtably. But in Crosby's case, seeing what type of character he is, the from-firiends-to-lovers thrope basically make sense.
My problem with this storyline is that obviously the show has only a short amount of screentime to dramatize the progress of slipping into a different type of relationship. They have some other stories, more pivotal stories to tell. Fortunatelly. It is a war drama series after all.
But unfortunatelly this romantic plotline stuck in the noman's land of storytelling. It's already bigger than just not paying attention to it, but as I said, the story had to be told in only a few scenes/ episode. And they just wasted those few scenes for unncesssary bed scenes. Not once, but twice. And that makes this storyline (at least what we have seen in episode 7) very cheap.
In my opinion it would have been much more useful to show a scene about their phone call. It would have served much more the purpose to dramstize Crosby's (also Sarah's) state of mind, the mentally exhaustion, the soul-destroying situation etc, etc.
Everything I know about Stalag XIII is from Hogan's Hero's
The 100th association released a photo of bucky during his time at stalag luft III recently and you could tell how much he had aged just in that photo
if you want to read a really good book on the real story of the British Great Escape , the build up, effort of construction, during and the aftermath from the perspective of one the escapees. See if you can get a copy of Moonless Night by B.A. "Jimmy" James. Absolutely fascinating story and one i think anyone wanting to know more would enjoy
The P51 wasnt that great until they lent some to the british and a british Test pilot went what if we fit them with Rolls Royce Merlin engines instead ( same as spitfire and other planes) improved the performacne massively and made it the escort fighter needed
Buzzing the tower was actually quite illegal and could be severely fined for it something like £500 dollars each maybe which in those days were a lot. A story of one crew that reached 25 the night before they did a fundraiser around their unit to raise the money for the fine
Maybe I'm just completely missing your point but how is it even possible to be "disappointed" with a situation that was based on real facts? I can't understand your frustration, these were real people, with real emotions and fears so basically your frustrated with human beings seeking comfort with sex instead of platonic friendship not necessarily the show??
"I get it but" no u dont get it, only men get it. If u dont have men that do what it takes, u wont enjoy ur liberty to complain about everything, youve got a lot to say probably maybe if you are the one in that situation u cant do sh*t.
Crosby alludes to the relationship in the book but doesnt go into detail about what they did per say. He also didnt tell his wife or admit to anything till his book which i think happened after her death
I watched an interview with a former B17 crewman who spent time in Stalag Luft 6. He said the Germans would be vengeful when they found out the allies had some sort of victory or successful bombing raid over the Germans. Here’s the link if anyone is interested
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People I know who are involved the war in Ukraine both men and women some seek ways to feel alive with all death and misery the are exposed to daily. Some have sexual relationships even if they have a significant partner back home.. it is a way to stay sane.
This tells me you still don’t get any of what I just said lol, because I literally said the same thing, that I get it’s a stress relief and all. Not the point I was making.
I think she's skipping the human nature portion pretending human beings should have a high moral code but that's never been the case sex and honey traps produced a great deal of Intel
BS my friend
Hi there - I only discovered you channel last week and really like your approach and the obvious joy you have making them. I wonder if, maybe on the final episode, you could bring your film student skills to bear on the way the show has such an unrelenting point of view. We are always with the airmen (whether inside the planes or on the ground) with comparatively few establishing shots. We catch glimpses of other reactions and emotions, but always stay with the crews. I can't think of another show that is so unrelenting - not even Band of Brothers. Anyway, looking forward to Doctor Who's arrival next week!
Shame you had to reupload this
CRYSTAL RADIO uses the power of the received radio signal to produce sound (needs no external power source)
These cheap homemade radio kits were popular in the 1920s and 30s
A Look At Two Crystal Radios
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1921 Westinghouse Aeriola Jr. Crystal Radio
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How a Crystal Radio Works
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--- STALAG 17 (1953) MOVIE POW camp fictional
THE GREAT ESCAPE (1963) MOVIE is a true story of American and British POW prisoners of war escape (1944 March)
(Thanks - Dave Strong)