Finally!! A comparison between the 12T and the new BL-2S system. Half the videos I see are people ranting about how the BL-2S system isn’t as good as the VXL system and I don’t get why they think that’s a correct comparison. This the Titans replacement! This is the new era stepping in. Before you know it, the titan will be gonzo
Another great video Mark👍 Just the fact of how well this power systems handles going up 4 teeth without even a seat is impressive. That plus the HD parts is a win.
Agreed. For $329 you get a new body and clipless, new wheels and tires, bunch of suspension upgrades, and if you need more power toss in a castle system
When the Stampede version comes out, you should do a comparison video with it and the Team Associated MT10. Would love to see how they stack up to each other!
You'd hit those temps just letting it sit in the parking lot here in Texas, haha! I haven't gone out since we hit the 90+ (not feels like). Another great vid Mark, thank you!
Love seeing these trucks pushed to their limits. 16t pinion definitely seems aggressive for that motor. 200F seems a bit on the hot side for me, even 180 is kinda toasty. I usually see most people recommend staying around 160 for good performance and lifespan. I've run motors upwards of 200 and some of them can take it pretty well, but it's definitely pushing them. Given the temps and slow acceleration, I think I'd probably run a 15t personally, maybe even a 14t. I bet that would give you the perfect balance of top speed, good launches, and keep the motor temps well under control. I'd also be willing to bet that the stock ESC is just kinda lazy. Velineons are usually set up to have really low punch and it's not adjustable, so I find the initial throttle response is just kinda spongy feeling to me. Doesn't have the instant torque and power all at once when you jam on the throttle, and if you only give it a little bit of throttle it just feels like you're not getting much power. Pair that motor up with a Hobbywing EZrun, and turn up the punch a couple levels, and I bet that thing would spin 4 tires on command for 100ft no problem. Just doesn't have that kinda kick with the stock ESC. Of course, 3s could also really take that thing up a notch and I think the motor would be just fine on 3s with the stock gearing, especially being a 3300kv.
The fact that it still comes with a long ass antenna and a hole in the body just shows how stuck in the past they are. Antennas don’t need to be exposed anymore.
My guess is that it's geared down at the factory because they expected people to be running it in grass. Grass is nothing more than a heat generator when it comes to RC stuff. So it's probably got a lot of headroom as long as you stay out of the grass, but a lot of new to the hobby people run in their yards because they don't have dedicated places to drive.
I feel that this new 2s system will really shine in the 2wd class. The brushed motor is great but a tad slow. The new velenion system is great but seems to be too powerful for the 2s line. It loves to blow up diffs in my personal experience. This 2s system though....ya buddy! I'm excited to try this for myself.
What are your thoughts on putting the new bl2s system in a traxxas bandit? I’d like to make my daughters bandit faster and brushless, but she’s not ready for the vxl like I have in my rustler!
Hey how can I get a couple stickers from you so I can put on my RC truck and do you have a website that I can buy stickers from just want one or two to put on my big truck
5:05 actually i hate this little piece because it doesn’t mesh the gear correctly. it sits a little to far from the spur and literally just strips the spur every single time. i took that little piece out which like you said is supposed to help lining it up but it doesn’t, and i was able to get it to mesh without it😂
yes you can, i even add it to my tamiya cars, and i always use the tqi transmitter for all my cars, max 30 cars can be bound to one transmitter. just bind to your transmitter and if you want to use another car, first put on the car that was previously bound and than the transmitter and its reday to run, same story if you want to change back to another car, first car than transmitter. for safety precautions always lift your car or put it on a stand when putting on the car beforre the transmitter, i personally never had an issue with that but ya never know. kind regards
Thank you for revisiting this. I think it shows the new trucks value in a much better light. Im a big fan of the upgrades. I also loved the gearing test, for the people going to the skate park or in their driveway gearing up will be perfect and probabky get them over the 30mph mark.
Just bought one today and it is unbelievably tough .. when you mix a slower 2s lipo with extra thick / tough hop up parts .. it just won’t break .. Can you please tell me where to put the damn antenna! .. lol sadly you just skip through that part and I was like damnit lol
So mark, what would be a good safe motor and esc temp for longevity of the electronics? I know you said 200 and 180 but I feel like that might effect the lifespan of the system if you’re consistently close to those numbers… some guys say “if you can’t touch it for a couple seconds it’s too hot”… 200 and 180 would burn you pretty good if you did that! 😅😂
Most of the time I see people recommend keeping your motor around 160 for good lifespan. Some of them can run upwards of 200+ and I've done it, but you are really pushing them. As for the ESC, I don't usually pay close attention to their temps cause they have a built-in thermal cut-off, however 180 seems a little aggressive there to me. I'd probably try to keep it around 140-160 max myself, but usually I just set the thermal cut-off and leave that to protect the ESC for me and I've never had an issue with that.
Thanks guys, I think I usually get up into the 140s running my e revo or DBpro like a dog so that’s good to know. The whole “touch it for a few seconds” theory is definitely a bunch of Bull… I’d like to see someone touch a 160 degree motor for a few seconds 🤣
@@V8chump I've done that method. Seems to be more of a quick check if you don't have a temp gun around. To be fair though, I'm pretty sure I don't have 100% feeling in my fingers anymore though. I could touch a 140 degree motor and it would feel very warm, but Dad would swear it's burning hot if he touched it. Maybe just use the temp gun, or if you are going to touch it, just touch it for a second first to see if you can feel the heat. Tap on it a couple times it won't have time to burn you, but you'll know pretty quick if it's too hot to touch.
Definitely. I’m sure it’ll happen at some point but 4x4s seem to sell better as experienced hobbyists tend to prefer them, especially for bashing. I’m definitely picking up one of those slashes with the bl 2s
carefree system, i have the slash 4x4 bl 2s with tsm (had a spare tsm receiver laying around) on it and next week 15t up from13t pinion, very curious on how it drives after that. atm it runs like a charm great how controllable it is on the track with a little tuning to the suspension, a good driver with this system can be faster than a mediocre driver with the vxl on 2s i believe.
@@bazis98 The problem is the price it's nearly vxl price and not even clsoe to stuff put in it. the 2wd got al the new tech and cheaper than this and this has none of that that's my problem with it.
Aluminum is nice but puts more stress on driveline components and bearing carriers plus slow down your performance but they look nice and are stronger lol
Think it’s pretty standard for 2s. My 2wd slash is geared high as balls but it doesn’t do wheelies or anything either until I put it on 3s but it hits like 45-50mph on 2s ~65mph on 3s so it probably loses tons of torque due to gearing
Honestly this seems promising. Traxxas knows that most upgrade to systems more powerful than the vxl 3s so they’re either developing a new 3s class or are content with just selling this to everyone. Personally I want to see the 540xl in everything but still think that this is a great first 4x4 truck. Even for us experienced hobbyist that will upgrade anyway it’s basically a better version of the 4x4 trucks for $70 cheaper than the old vxls.
@@dylanwhite6539Speaking from first hand experience, the 540XL actually handles great in the Rustler 4×4. I have it in mine, and actually had a 2200 shoved into it for a while 😂
The point of this video was to test gearing. And you failed. Is this a crappy tv show where they always need cliff hangers? Shoot a video n put all the info into it. come on man
I want to see him pull the BL2's off the shelf. Absolute crap. What garbage? I wish I bought a VXL. I knew this was going to be such a piece of trash whenever trust traxxass again, if I don't see the speed on the box I'm not buying it
The speed on the box is meaningless, it’s just marketing. And yeah of course the vxl system is going to preform better it’s more expensive and can run on 3s… your complaints all just sound like a result of your own ignorance lol
Finally!! A comparison between the 12T and the new BL-2S system. Half the videos I see are people ranting about how the BL-2S system isn’t as good as the VXL system and I don’t get why they think that’s a correct comparison. This the Titans replacement! This is the new era stepping in. Before you know it, the titan will be gonzo
And now the titan is going bye bye. And so is the stampede. I overheard the traxxas dealer rep telling my local hobby shop all this a week ago.
Another great video Mark👍 Just the fact of how well this power systems handles going up 4 teeth without even a seat is impressive. That plus the HD parts is a win.
I’d rather traxxas under gear than over gear that’s for sure. Also glad my comment didn’t go unheard about the ring and pinion ratio
Thanks mark
If traxxas could drop a crawler brushless system. Something with FOC it would be awesome.
I love what traxxas did, it's a shame though that no one recieved the stampede for review since I love the design on that car😂
I'm looking forward to the new BL-2S Stampede when it's released. It's the one out of the three new cars that is most likely I'll buy.
Agreed. For $329 you get a new body and clipless, new wheels and tires, bunch of suspension upgrades, and if you need more power toss in a castle system
That's a good upgrade I was surprised it was so close on the other comparison you did
When the Stampede version comes out, you should do a comparison video with it and the Team Associated MT10. Would love to see how they stack up to each other!
Thank you!
You'd hit those temps just letting it sit in the parking lot here in Texas, haha! I haven't gone out since we hit the 90+ (not feels like). Another great vid Mark, thank you!
Thanks Ryan!
Love seeing these trucks pushed to their limits. 16t pinion definitely seems aggressive for that motor. 200F seems a bit on the hot side for me, even 180 is kinda toasty. I usually see most people recommend staying around 160 for good performance and lifespan. I've run motors upwards of 200 and some of them can take it pretty well, but it's definitely pushing them. Given the temps and slow acceleration, I think I'd probably run a 15t personally, maybe even a 14t. I bet that would give you the perfect balance of top speed, good launches, and keep the motor temps well under control. I'd also be willing to bet that the stock ESC is just kinda lazy. Velineons are usually set up to have really low punch and it's not adjustable, so I find the initial throttle response is just kinda spongy feeling to me. Doesn't have the instant torque and power all at once when you jam on the throttle, and if you only give it a little bit of throttle it just feels like you're not getting much power. Pair that motor up with a Hobbywing EZrun, and turn up the punch a couple levels, and I bet that thing would spin 4 tires on command for 100ft no problem. Just doesn't have that kinda kick with the stock ESC. Of course, 3s could also really take that thing up a notch and I think the motor would be just fine on 3s with the stock gearing, especially being a 3300kv.
i run my race stuff super hot...especially my tekin motors... hahaha
@@MarkSantaMaria Well hey, if it works for ya man, go for it! Like I said, love seeing stuff pushed to it's limits. Long as you're having fun with it.
The fact that it still comes with a long ass antenna and a hole in the body just shows how stuck in the past they are. Antennas don’t need to be exposed anymore.
Some people like the look. Plus, mine came with a non exposed antenna... So I don't know what your problem is
I’m running the same steering wheel setup in bronze on my Sanwa MT44 but I added their larger diameter foam so nice 😊👍🏽
Same! Mt44 gang
love it!
Has anyone heard when youll be able to buy the system. Be a great upgrade for my kids 2wd slash with the 12T
Tired of the traxxas fan boy comments haha, not our fault traxxas brings quality and affordability with a wide range of platforms
Nice beginner car but once you have the Rustler with the 3s brushless system ya never go back.
Lmao a 1/4 mile time of 3 seconds 🤣 😂 😅 💀 im dead rn.
I think you mean 1/4 100ft 😂
66ft.... I realized i said it wrong when editing... i added an asterisks at the bottom... hahaha!
@@MarkSantaMaria Lol happens to the best of us. I love your content bro keep it up.
I’m gonna be putting one of those BL-2S systems in my Team Losi 22SCT 2.0 for club racing
My guess is that it's geared down at the factory because they expected people to be running it in grass. Grass is nothing more than a heat generator when it comes to RC stuff. So it's probably got a lot of headroom as long as you stay out of the grass, but a lot of new to the hobby people run in their yards because they don't have dedicated places to drive.
YUP! I am going to do some running in the grass soon to see how hot she gets
they need a modified wingless class so u can run the Chuckworks chassi
Really nice set up
What’s your thoughts on performance between this 3300kv and the 3500kv?
I tested both of them on the last video. The 3500 is still much faster
Great vid. With the extreme hd upgrade kit , would you say this is a better truck for the money than the Rustler 4x4 Ultimate?
Dang you came to Idaho! I'm in Jerome. 😊
better than the vxl.... all the vxl systems i had overheated all the time
The vxl 3s combo just has too small of a motor. They had the right idea with the hoss, never had that overheat even with taller gearing.
The only truck I like better than my rustler is my rival mt10 v2.
I thought the Brushed models come with 35+ MPH on the box after your tests doesn't that seem pretty off?
Say what u will about traxxas but the drivetrain is always smooth my maxx v2 is like the gears are packed with butter 🧈 ya that smooth lol
It's ok
Per traxxas, 150 for the esc and 170 for their motors.
I like to live my life dangerously... hahaha
JennyRc baby!
@@JoshDTech temps, not prices
I feel that this new 2s system will really shine in the 2wd class. The brushed motor is great but a tad slow. The new velenion system is great but seems to be too powerful for the 2s line. It loves to blow up diffs in my personal experience. This 2s system though....ya buddy! I'm excited to try this for myself.
Do you have your own track and office?
Bought the rustler b-l2s instead of the MT10. Great car for kids.
what is the box your remote is in? can we see that
Mark, are you really in Santa maria? Came accross your channel. Just bought my first RC and wondering if there is any local tracks.
I've watched a few reviews on this rig. Not really impressed.
And I do enjoy many Traxxas products. It doesn't give me that( I gotta have it) feeling.
Have you tried doing higher pinion counts off road? I was thinking maybe 15t off road? For my 2s bls? 🤔. For me, 177F is too hot IMHO
What are your thoughts on putting the new bl2s system in a traxxas bandit? I’d like to make my daughters bandit faster and brushless, but she’s not ready for the vxl like I have in my rustler!
Cool！Would you be interested in reviewing Rlaarlo's new car? Looking forward to your response with excitement!
If there was one thing I was able to shout from the treetops and have everyone hear, it would be that it’s ok to be wrong. To err is to be human.
Hey how can I get a couple stickers from you so I can put on my RC truck and do you have a website that I can buy stickers from just want one or two to put on my big truck
Sounds insane
2s brushless rustler please! Lol although 3s is a animal in that car 🤔
5:05 actually i hate this little piece because it doesn’t mesh the gear correctly. it sits a little to far from the spur and literally just strips the spur every single time.
i took that little piece out which like you said is supposed to help lining it up but it doesn’t, and i was able to get it to mesh without it😂
Great video
I like the track
So I guess the real question is will 3S and TSM be worth the extra US$70 for a VXL version of each of these cars?
i agree... the 3s and tsm are game changers
How come u never drive the nitro rustler or tmaxx?
wouldnt it make much more sense to buy the Arrma Vorteks instead? these 2s cars are just too expensive for what you get
Can you add tcm to a rc
yes you can, i even add it to my tamiya cars, and i always use the tqi transmitter for all my cars, max 30 cars can be bound to one transmitter. just bind to your transmitter and if you want to use another car, first put on the car that was previously bound and than the transmitter and its reday to run, same story if you want to change back to another car, first car than transmitter. for safety precautions always lift your car or put it on a stand when putting on the car beforre the transmitter, i personally never had an issue with that but ya never know. kind regards
Should have tried the azada wheel for the 10px..... it is mint
Are the differentials the vxl ratio or the shorter xl5 ring and pinion?
Nvm I think you answered it there at the end! Good vid mark
I am really waiting for the review of the new stampede 4x4 bl-2s Marc any news about it
Good afternoon brother cool video nice car
Thank you for revisiting this. I think it shows the new trucks value in a much better light. Im a big fan of the upgrades. I also loved the gearing test, for the people going to the skate park or in their driveway gearing up will be perfect and probabky get them over the 30mph mark.
Yeah, the garbage by the VXL
16 is to much gear. 14 would be better. It sounded flat when you ran in the parking lot.
Wow, you’re doing a Traxxas video………great,didn’t see that coming. 😄🤷🏻♂️👍💯
Guess I shouldn't freak out at 150 motor temps any more. 😊
nope
I wouldn't worry about temps if it has a thermal cut off. Even running them excessively hot all the time never seems to be a problem.
@buysncharge always a learning experience which I love about this hobby.
Just bought one today and it is unbelievably tough .. when you mix a slower 2s lipo with extra thick / tough hop up parts .. it just won’t break ..
Can you please tell me where to put the damn antenna! .. lol sadly you just skip through that part and I was like damnit lol
So mark, what would be a good safe motor and esc temp for longevity of the electronics? I know you said 200 and 180 but I feel like that might effect the lifespan of the system if you’re consistently close to those numbers… some guys say “if you can’t touch it for a couple seconds it’s too hot”… 200 and 180 would burn you pretty good if you did that! 😅😂
Most of the time I see people recommend keeping your motor around 160 for good lifespan. Some of them can run upwards of 200+ and I've done it, but you are really pushing them. As for the ESC, I don't usually pay close attention to their temps cause they have a built-in thermal cut-off, however 180 seems a little aggressive there to me. I'd probably try to keep it around 140-160 max myself, but usually I just set the thermal cut-off and leave that to protect the ESC for me and I've never had an issue with that.
@NerfCraft is spot on ^
Thanks guys, I think I usually get up into the 140s running my e revo or DBpro like a dog so that’s good to know. The whole “touch it for a few seconds” theory is definitely a bunch of Bull… I’d like to see someone touch a 160 degree motor for a few seconds 🤣
@@V8chump I've done that method. Seems to be more of a quick check if you don't have a temp gun around. To be fair though, I'm pretty sure I don't have 100% feeling in my fingers anymore though. I could touch a 140 degree motor and it would feel very warm, but Dad would swear it's burning hot if he touched it. Maybe just use the temp gun, or if you are going to touch it, just touch it for a second first to see if you can feel the heat. Tap on it a couple times it won't have time to burn you, but you'll know pretty quick if it's too hot to touch.
You tested 1/8th mile but I’m just being picky now😂
I realized i said it wrong when editing... i added an asterisks at the bottom... hahaha!
@@MarkSantaMaria good video either way!
Will you be going to truck nats
Out of all the wheels that company sells I bought same style and color haha😂
177 is extremely hot. 125 is pretty cool. I usually target 150-160 on the motor. For the rustler I think 14 would work great.
yeah i think the 14t will be a nice all around pinion
Would love to see that new BL-2S system put in the 2WD vehicles. It'd probably be perfect for them.
Definitely. I’m sure it’ll happen at some point but 4x4s seem to sell better as experienced hobbyists tend to prefer them, especially for bashing. I’m definitely picking up one of those slashes with the bl 2s
might happen as early as next video ;)
I have a 2wd slash kit I picked up just a couple of weeks ago and was looking at the vxl, but this new system looks like a better fit.
@@MarkSantaMaria that could put brushless in a very nice price range for many. Still as I progress more in my RC experience, I do tend to prefer 4WD.
@@johncurry7246 eh, I’d say if you’re going to go brushless, get yourself a castle system. Copperhead 10 with the 1412 3200kv
can i run a 14t pinion on mines too would it be risky? ion wanna blow up my motor
Just wierd 2s but has heavy duty parts
carefree system, i have the slash 4x4 bl 2s with tsm (had a spare tsm receiver laying around) on it and next week 15t up from13t pinion, very curious on how it drives after that. atm it runs like a charm great how controllable it is on the track with a little tuning to the suspension, a good driver with this system can be faster than a mediocre driver with the vxl on 2s i believe.
Vxl-3s is way faster even on 2s
Also not much more expensive and gives more even the tsm system and it's a good thing if you want to go fast.
This system isn't meant to be faster than the VXL-3S. It's replacing the brushed vehicles, so, it's essentially the new line of beginner vehicles.
@@bazis98 The problem is the price it's nearly vxl price and not even clsoe to stuff put in it. the 2wd got al the new tech and cheaper than this and this has none of that that's my problem with it.
Part of being Human & we go on. Now , gear that puppy up , this my 2nd request, Jesus Christ . 😊
He… he just upped it 4 teeth, almost hit thermal cutoff, “Jesus Christ”
shoe size iq detected
I wish I could make aluminum wheels.. ☹️
Aluminum is nice but puts more stress on driveline components and bearing carriers plus slow down your performance but they look nice and are stronger lol
@@Todd_G_FPV it’s a steering wheel for the radio. It doesn’t stress anything on the car..
@T00LF00L oh haha, yeah that would be sweet! I'd take one in green anodizing!
That system just has no punch
Think it’s pretty standard for 2s. My 2wd slash is geared high as balls but it doesn’t do wheelies or anything either until I put it on 3s but it hits like 45-50mph on 2s ~65mph on 3s so it probably loses tons of torque due to gearing
@@V8chump I'm running 120 Amp sct hobbywing 4000kv 18/56 and will wheelie on dirt sometimes on 2s,14-16 better race gear
Why does no one change the pinion AND spur gear? Too time consuming to change the spur? 😂
No one buys traxxas for their electronics do they??? 😂
Honestly this seems promising. Traxxas knows that most upgrade to systems more powerful than the vxl 3s so they’re either developing a new 3s class or are content with just selling this to everyone. Personally I want to see the 540xl in everything but still think that this is a great first 4x4 truck. Even for us experienced hobbyist that will upgrade anyway it’s basically a better version of the 4x4 trucks for $70 cheaper than the old vxls.
@@dylanwhite6539Speaking from first hand experience, the 540XL actually handles great in the Rustler 4×4. I have it in mine, and actually had a 2200 shoved into it for a while 😂
@@bazis98 I have basically the same thing. Swapped a rustler chassis in a hoss. The 540xl is a great motor, perfect for any 3s or 4s truck.
Who is looking forward for 2s thats like saying i cant wait for the new 4 cylinder corvette
Lucky winner? Me? Did I win something?
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The point of this video was to test gearing. And you failed. Is this a crappy tv show where they always need cliff hangers? Shoot a video n put all the info into it. come on man
super impressed with it, not so much with your fuckin driving
I want to see him pull the BL2's off the shelf. Absolute crap. What garbage? I wish I bought a VXL. I knew this was going to be such a piece of trash whenever trust traxxass again, if I don't see the speed on the box I'm not buying it
The speed on the box is meaningless, it’s just marketing. And yeah of course the vxl system is going to preform better it’s more expensive and can run on 3s… your complaints all just sound like a result of your own ignorance lol