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This goes so far beyond letting these people down. You have singlehandedly snuffed out the SLS hobby market. You have set manufacturing back many years. You genuinely were taking a huge step forward--one that many people have been waiting for. We won't trust another company like this again.
Formlabs bought you out because you are competition. They will cannibalize your design and put your ideas into the next sls they make, which will be formlabs price ie: out of the reach of most hobbyist. Expect to be pushed out of your job, just like the other founders were.
Hi snazzy, completely agree, here goes the chance for an affordable consumer SLS printer. Loved your iPod video from this morning, will you do this with some other iPod models, the iPod Nano 6th gen is also a very interesting iPod?
There are now tens of thousands of engineers without access to SLS that otherwise would've had access through Micronics. I hope you think about all the innovation @micronics and @formlabs stifled with this Acquisition, that's the cost of selling out. I respect both of you far less now and mainly @formlabs, this is not the answer to competition. You cant accuire everyone. I'm hoping China steps up and makes a product that competes with the fuse line up and tanks your marketshare for a longer time. Think of all the inventions and designs we missed out on because one company wanted to keep their margins. Having a backbone is hard I don't blame anyone who wants a payday. Shame.
What a kick in the teeth to the people that have supported them up till this point. The type of person who ordered this machine probably isn't someone who takes kindly to artificial material limitations, and the fact that they need a license (free or not) to use other materials is just gross.
That license offer reminds me of the "Canada on Strike" episode of South Park where all those Canadians suffered and died for the Canadian Prime Minister, and afterward, as compensation, the PM rewarded the survivors with "buy one get one half off" coupons for Bennigan's.
I needed 6 sentences to explain this, but you managed to keep is short and simple. It's really sad. This exactly shows what money does to people. No way I'm going to buy anything Micronics now. I was subscribed since day one and waiting to see what the future would bring for Micronics as I was in the market for one of their SLS printers, but that's definitely not happening now.
@@__S__435 I meant, nothing in their future offspring as well. Or anything they are affiliated with since I have worked with Formlabs a lot and I really didn't have good experiences with their Form 1 and Form 2. Also don't like their company strategy and I think the way Micronics has done this whole hype and then not deliver is going to leave a bad taste in many mouths.
@@XecularOfficialeveryone has there price. However the issue is if they truly believed in what they were doing they’d have carried on with executing the original plan, knowing they’d have done 1000 times better selling on an established business, brand and IP. Draw your own conclusions, but my one is they knew the product was a dud *at the price point they were touting*.
Glad I didn't pledged, and i encourage everyone to stay away from Micronics under Formlabs umbrella because SLS is still going to be far from our desktops with formlabs closed system policy. It happened, exactly as i commented 1 month ago. "If its everything like advertised, Micronics will disrupt the AM market. Crossed fingers that micronics won't be swallowed by bigger company and close it existence like it happened with WeMatter or Sintratec recently..."
Busines 101, buy your competition as it is still small. Pay them in stocks, hire them for a few years, take theire ideas and then throw them out.. That is what is going to happen.
Yup, this is the future of SLS, they ingested their new tech for pennies, will make HUGE profit on this and we will have to pay through the roof to have it. Forget 5K USD for printer - more like 15k...
yes, being acquired by a company that requires "Open Material License" ($2K) for you to print with whatever material you want truly fills me with positive outlook...
It's just one company. Formlabs doesn't own the concept of an SLS 3D Printer. If I took a year or 2, I could make one, too. This world will not be here forever, but if we have enough time, then I believe more competitors will come up, possibly much stronger than the last.
Hopefully the Chinese companies have seen the demand for low cost SLS and now go out and make the machine Micronics promised. Formlabs just removed some competition, that's all.
Right, I'm all fucking for Chinese plagiarism for this product. Maybe somebody who got an early unit can ship it off so they can research it, no fucking way formlabs is going to give us anything consumer friendly. Fuck their apple locked down garbage.
@@flaviovianna4889I know creality get shit for their build quality, but if they do it, fucking good on them. Fuck formlabs, and now fuck micronics too.
Wow, they really misjudged how "excited" we'd be about this announcement. One team instead of two might be "efficient", but it also undercuts how competition in this space makes the technology more affordable for the rest of us. If Formlabs was the only SLA player in town, most of us still wouldn't have printers. Yeah, you got Formlabs stock that vests at a later date - that's how acquisitions work. You lose control of your product, and they make sure they lock in your talent for several years. Good for you - sucks for us.
So you went in with the promise of making the desktop SLS more affordable, then got yourself acquired by a company that already has presence in the SLS space and has vested interest in not getting their products undercut, keeping the prices high and push the locked down nature of the products available on the market? I mean, I guess it's great that you got yourselves jobs, shares and money, but this move literally goes against everything you presented yourself as. Turning a campaign to make 3D printing better and more affordablea into an essentially a job application is one hell of an opportunistic move I certainly didn't expect. Especially before you even managed to even come to market. What a speedrun.
it was all talk. What they only really wanted was money. It's too obvious. (Almost) Everybody wants money, but they let their baby die for it. A project of their lifetime. They killed the promise to all the supporters.
That is such a big shame. I understand the reasons for this, but now it will become another inaccessible printer to the masses. I really had hoped this would work out in another way.
2:27 I was out of the loop with Formlabs for a while, they charge for a licence to allow you to load your printer with any resin you want? With all due respect, which is fucking none, what the hell?, this is like charging for an oven to be allowed to cook potatoes that didn't come from the oven manufacturer's own specific potato brand. RIP consumer SLS printing, it was nice not even knowing you yet.
Yeah, what the actual fuck??? "Open Material License is a paid software license that allows users to print with photopolymer resins not produced or sold by Formlabs (“Non Formlabs Resins”). Your use of Open Material License is subject to these additional terms. Your use of Open Material License is at your own risk." You have to pay ~ 2k to print other resins on your own Form 3? Did I get that right??
Par for the course for formlabs. All there resin printers are functionally identical but locked down so you can't even use their whole resin line, unless you buy the appropriate tier of printer.
I use a formlabs 3L at work, it's weird, there's the licence you buy to unlock the printer but you can just put in any resin you want anyway as long as you have an empty cartridge in the machine. The software lets you tweak the print settings in detail as well so you can dial in any resin then save it as a custom print profile. The printer is effectively unlocked without the licence and it doesn't care that the cartridge is empty.
This is bad news. Formlabs do nothing for the hobbyist market - their resin printers are 10 times the price of equivalent hobbyist models, and are locked down tighter than a tight thing on national tight day. I'd be surprised if the Micronics SLS printer ever sees the light of day, and if it does then don't expect to see any change from $10k 🤬
Oh well... FormLabs will improve the tech and add it to their $10k+ printers. It's definitely the best for you guy's but not for us. I can't be mad, but I am disappointed. Guess we'll have to wait for the next start up to bring this theory to market and follow through with it.
@1stRanger Oh no. Never considered it for a minute. I was waiting for the second gen. But I was super interested. IMO, they were a little too 'rag tag' for me to throw that kind of money at on a Kick, but to each their own.
@@mikejackson9585 that’s what I was waiting for too. Figured I’d wait until they ironed out the wrinkles and get one when it was consistent, even at full retail price. That’s now never going to happen since formlabs is going to double or triple the price or just shelve it entirely.
@@mikejackson9585 I was considering it when they promised 3500$ retail price. When it end up being super early bird deal on kickstarter I stopped considering it. Then Stranger Parts review came in...
@@user-yk1cw8im4h it wasn't a lie. he changed plans an it impacted us negatively. don't assume he had bad intentions without proof just because you're emotional.
So you sold out and now the crowd funded project will be 500% more expensive and less accessible to everyone. What a shame. Took that quick easy cash and dipped.
@@lawrencemanning Even if their kickstarter would be finalized, after delivery of first batch of new printers - even if they are crap, they would still EASILY get a job in the business... on second look this entire channel and entire campaign + kickstarter looked like a very long and winded pitch to being acquired.
Right? I was hoping they would be leading their own team with formlabs to keep developing the machine but nope, Formlabs just bought the patents and put them into their own structure
guy probably spent years of 16 hours days developing the printer to where it was at. he was clearly dedicated. he just couldn't resist the money. you never know what's going on behind the scenes. the positive is that his hard work payed off, the negative is he burned his reputation and it's going to take more time for this tech to decentralize.
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This is exactly what i argued what it should be in the first video they posted, but i was slated. Oh how the turn tables. th-cam.com/video/m8aqNy9ej-A/w-d-xo.html
I gotta be honest - some people here are like "happy you got a job!" But the reality is if you actually needed to be acquired and there was enough corporate interest to acquire you, then you could have taken Formlab's interest as a sign and then went around shopping for a company that wouldn't immediately drive your product into the ground and away from being in any way accessible. The moment a company tells you that you need a license to use other resin is the moment you should have shopped elsewhere. Like, listen to the words you are saying. That's absolutely beyond absurd. Why would you want this?
Kiss this project goodbye and all innovation now is behind a walled garden with walls 500x higher. I hope you guys got a massive payout for this and can do something else. You have the energy to succeed but formlabs will crush your entrepenureal spirit
Seems pretty obvious in hindsight that these guys had zero intention of actually making a real product. They just wanted to build hype to get bought out before it got to the point of actually having to deliver anything.
@@jeremyglover5541speaking of signing clauses actually reminded me of the foldable 3d printer (kralyn3d) was dead in the water. The inventor of that project also got hired by a company and not able to develop anymore.
Welp, there you go. The dream is fucked. I don't know what you guys were thinking when doing this, but you might as well have shat on the idea in public. There's no way Formlabs would EVER let the idea of micronics live. Shame. On both the parties involved.
Quickest way to go from company trying to make SLS more accessible to company contributing to make 3D printing as proprietary and locked as 2D printing
Acquisitions never benefit the consumer or the employees of the company being acquired I'm not sure how Formlabs is supposed to share Micronics vision for accessible printing when Formlabs machines are known for being cost-prohibitive compared to consumer printers. Why was the CEO of a company known for being incredibly proprietary and closed off allowed into opensauce to begin with?
I doubt we will ever hear much on this from the TH-cam 3d printing crowd, for fear of spoiling a relationship with Formlabs. I'd bet that a lot of the reviewers hold a sampling of the sentiments of the comment section, but most probably considered their vested involvement over when they sent the machine back.
I believe the affordable galvo lens construction is the biggest hurdle, and the chamber temperature system. But yeah, Formlabs buying them is 100% proof that they were getting very sweaty and scared of these two guys with their Micronics machines.
The issue is you can't use any of the technologies they came up with because they patented them to protect themselves from companies like formlabs, so now they belong...to formlabs
@@ClayFRocker Nahhh, they do not function as well as the one in Micronics, and besides, yes you can get an affordable one, but good luck designing a whole system around it. But obviously you're some science major who knows best so I won't try to explain to you that it's "not that easy".
Born to make SLS accessible, bought by Formlabs. Lol. You met the Formlabs guy a month ago in the event and the acquisition is already done? Yep, you got eaten.
It’s simple that $5000 printer is not gonna cost $25,000 and you get $1000 credit towards the $25,000 printer instead of being able to just purchase your $5000 printer. Today. Manufactures do 10% increments in products. This company that bought them out would have to go from $25,000 printers to $5000 printers and they didn’t want to do that so we bought the company and now they can sell them again for $25,000.
Micronics could literally solve their woes in multiple ways. Getting on board someone from tech industry as a CEO and pitching your product to few investors - you would still retain all that belongs to you guys and make this a market disruptor. You just went with easiest (shittiest for us cilents) way possible, and you already had your case made for you with proliferation of printers by Bambulab as well as Prusa in last few years. I'm sure there would be bunch of investors trying to get on board with your company. As a client I got worst possible scenario - you not only didn't deliver, you just sold your tech to biggest competitor...
Look guys, I watched the development of the project and you seemed like cool engineers passionate about solving a problem that people want to be solved - provide affordable open SLS printing. As an entrepreneur myself I get the point of taking care about your future but unless you got an obscene amount of money( which I hope you got) you've done probably one of the worst mistakes of your careers. You are now happily employees of an giant that has the track record of seizing the market with capitalist tactics. As an entrepreneur myself I would never sell my company to anyone that is not aligned with my vision and mission, which FormLabs cleary is not in you case, as if they were to be they would not be a giant. Their scope is to grow ,sell and acquire all competition if possible and your goal was to be an open, affordable and for people initiative in the field of 3D printing. We would like to know the true story : did you needed to be acquired because of possible patent and legal action problems? you just were tired and wanted a quick way out? There are so many question that needs to be responded to in respect of the support that people showed to you and the company. Hope everything works out for you in the end and maybe with your new role you guys could change something in the industry.
As a fellow engineer entrepreneur I understand it may appeared a good option but you just had to eat glass for another year or so and dig in which you’ve already proven the intellect and determination to do. You let them kill a major new brand in 3D printing in the cradle and you will really never be able to imo equate the value you could have grown your selves with any stock options. You would have been the US based Bambu labs of SLS. it’s unfortunate a lot of us go this route because in all industries it’s a serious problem major companies eat the competition and screw the consumer and it’s up to us to hold the line and not cave to the woman in the red dress. I hope your vision is realized I really do. I am sure as very capable intelligent engineers now working with form labs so many awesome things will happen for you guys and I truly hope that. I saw so much potential in this and your product/ vision, bummed to see it seemingly end and hope you’re able to hold the mission inside of their ecosystem but that is rarely the case.
Not sure you can appreciate the level of grind and consistency it took just to develop the printer to the point it was at. Then consider you have to do full on production, keeping profit margins way down to deliver on your promise, then offer customer support to tons of clients, etc. It's not easy. I don't blame him for selling out and taking money, guys probably a poor student and was getting overwhelmed.
0:27 "more accessible to everyone" ... gets acquired by a company that makes the most expensive "consumer" 3D printers that are only bought by big professionals. I mean congratulation but that's the end of the product for pretty much any average at home printer enthusiast.
In the first few seconds of the video, knowing Luke's facetious personality I was expecting him to laugh and say "just kidding! Now, the true announcements…" But it's real. Prepare to see the price of the Micron double when it finally hits the market (if it ever makes it under this form). Not only because it's Formlabs politics to sell high-priced 3D printers to SMBs and 'prosumers' (a bit like Apple, a brand that ironically Micronics founders don't hold close to their heart!) but also because there's no way Formlabs is going to let such a banger ruin the margins made by their Fuse1 range at the current projected MSRP announced on Kickstarter. Mark my words. In fact I would be delighted to be proven wrong! EDIT: just saw that the Kickstarter, and even the Micron 3D printer itself, are CANCELLED. No cheap SLS for everyone after all! Very, very sad.
Obviously. The micronica machine had nothing that Formlabs couldn't have researched themselves. It's ridiculous to try to convince people backing them that Formlabs did it for the knowledge. So they ever had was the promise of affordable sls, nothing more.
formlabs simply allowed the young team to devalue their achievements, I hope the amount was at least 8 zeros, because otherwise it would be a stupid act.
The one with Henry on Formlabs' channel looked like a hostage video. This dude looks super enthusiastic. Seems clear who convinced who to take the cash and dip.
Yeah no, this is quite frankly atrocious news and just out of spite as much as anything, people will no longer look at any of your work in the future. Formlabs have a long history of overcharging and using hostile licencing to kill off competition. 'Two teams working on the same thing means slower progress' Yes, because you'll do things in different ways and actually ensure that people have to compete with each other. Could not possibly have handled this in a worse way. As an opensource software and hardware advocate, working with formlabs with their bullshit open materials licence is one of the most disgusting things you could do short of selling out to apple or someone like the patent hording slime at Stratasys Inc.
I believe that the days of companies like stratisis and formlabs are numbered, they will be bought by themselves. no matter what high prices they make for their products, they will be moved by someone who sells cheap things by the millions. for example, bambu flashforge, qidi is also promising.
9 out of 10 sponsors will never take advantage of this discount, because on their genitals they turned the formlabs company with their products and materials at a price of *10, especially since they will not receive anything significant for these 1000.
Now I understand the term "praying for exit" among startup founders. I mean it's great that they sold the company and made some money, but in this case, it's not good for customers. I dislike the formlabs ecosystem as a whole.
Now let's just hope that consumer grade companies have gotten their thinkinghats on, and started on developing competitors for what could have been the great upsetting of sls printers. Since formlabs now pulled a classic move of buy and shelf. Good for the boys to benefit the capitalist world, bad for everyone who hoped
Congrats to you personally, but this really really sucks for the open-source maker community… you should have held out for several years and you would have made 10X personally and for the opensource community as well. Now everything will be proprietary and behind a paywall…. Mehhhhh…..
I can't believe you guys went that far just to sell your a$$. So enthusiasts and makers have to wait another 10 years for somebody else who hopefully will learn from the mistake you just did.
Wow thats incredibly sad. Took the money and ran. Excited to see how formlabs locks down the patents and stifles enthusiast SLS printing for another 20 years. This was the beginning of a huge company and movement and formlabs sniped it lmao.
Oh kid! 😂hahaha! You got, GOT! You just sold out, without knowing it. They just killed the competition and got shackled. Long Haul? You just became a minion when you could have been Tony Stark.
I wonder if they realize that they just doomed home SLS any time soon overnight. They have no incentive to release a home SLS kit now. They're young, but that does suck.
"Now, why are we doing this?" "MONNNEYYYY" You don't need to insult everybody's intelligence, the winning strategy is making a product good enough to get your startup acquired by the known manufacturers who you'd need to otherwise compete against. Good for you, but I'll never be able to think about affording it.
Top-10 anime betrayals. I knew something wasn't right when this project moved from a on-site pre-order system to a kickstarter with no explanation(old page with price got removed, etc), even after inquiring here, no response about why.
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This goes so far beyond letting these people down. You have singlehandedly snuffed out the SLS hobby market. You have set manufacturing back many years. You genuinely were taking a huge step forward--one that many people have been waiting for. We won't trust another company like this again.
Should be ashamed for selling out.
Formlabs bought you out because you are competition. They will cannibalize your design and put your ideas into the next sls they make, which will be formlabs price ie: out of the reach of most hobbyist. Expect to be pushed out of your job, just like the other founders were.
LMFAO ... shares. Did you accept the first thing they offered or something?
@@Zuluknobthey are young. Won’t be the last sale. But yeah I imagine they got a little cash as well.
Well this is terrible news.
Is it? The odds on them making it to market on their own seemed pretty slim.
Agree.
Hi snazzy, completely agree, here goes the chance for an affordable consumer SLS printer.
Loved your iPod video from this morning, will you do this with some other iPod models, the iPod Nano 6th gen is also a very interesting iPod?
@@ToppyTreeSlim yet they've already achieved so much on their own.
@@snazzy Ready for my Hewlett-Packard/formlabs nylon powder subscription that sets my house on fire if it detects non formlabs powder in the printer.
"You were the chosen one! You were supposed to beat them, not join them."
true so true ! it was long until it lasted
holy shit this really is it! such a clear-cut example too! they jumped at the first sign of a check.
There are now tens of thousands of engineers without access to SLS that otherwise would've had access through Micronics. I hope you think about all the innovation @micronics and @formlabs stifled with this Acquisition, that's the cost of selling out. I respect both of you far less now and mainly @formlabs, this is not the answer to competition. You cant accuire everyone. I'm hoping China steps up and makes a product that competes with the fuse line up and tanks your marketshare for a longer time. Think of all the inventions and designs we missed out on because one company wanted to keep their margins. Having a backbone is hard I don't blame anyone who wants a payday. Shame.
welp, there goes cheap and accessible SLS printing, can't wait for everything to be locked down, proprietary, and 3 times as expensive.
Maybe just maybe they’ll use micronics to break into the budget market without tarnishing form labs’ name
formlabs in a nutshell
Yeah, Formlabs and Cheap don't combine anymore.
I've had and form1 and form2 but Form3 was to expensive for me not to talk about the form4
This 3D printer was not open sourced and patented anyways
in Halo3 announcer voice:
B E T R A Y A L !
Formlabs killed their competitor while they were small and cheap...
Business 101, these kids didn't realize the what they had on their hands I guess.
This is such sad news
Formlabs is busy filling patents 😢😢😢
forgot to add "dumb"
100% agree
and now the 5k kickstarters is a 15k proprietary machine that is only accessed by "contact us for a quote"
and pay for the consumables for life only to us.
"You will also receive an Open Material License for your Formlabs SLA printer."
Oh how generous of you.
What a kick in the teeth to the people that have supported them up till this point. The type of person who ordered this machine probably isn't someone who takes kindly to artificial material limitations, and the fact that they need a license (free or not) to use other materials is just gross.
would be 4500$ 😂 like What Da Fuck
@@ZettabyteGamer I backed and can confirm I have been kicked in the teeth and betrayed but that's kick-starter for you...
@@Basement_CNCTimes two
That license offer reminds me of the "Canada on Strike" episode of South Park where all those Canadians suffered and died for the Canadian Prime Minister, and afterward, as compensation, the PM rewarded the survivors with "buy one get one half off" coupons for Bennigan's.
Thats rather sad. They bought you to avoid affordable competition.
I needed 6 sentences to explain this, but you managed to keep is short and simple. It's really sad. This exactly shows what money does to people. No way I'm going to buy anything Micronics now. I was subscribed since day one and waiting to see what the future would bring for Micronics as I was in the market for one of their SLS printers, but that's definitely not happening now.
@@MarinusMakesStuffYou can't buy anything from Micronics anyway
@@__S__435 I meant, nothing in their future offspring as well. Or anything they are affiliated with since I have worked with Formlabs a lot and I really didn't have good experiences with their Form 1 and Form 2. Also don't like their company strategy and I think the way Micronics has done this whole hype and then not deliver is going to leave a bad taste in many mouths.
Formlabs is killing the Micronics name, so yeah definitely going to be easy to keep that promise
Aaaaand my excitement in this company/project is now 0
Same. These guys seemed like they were enthusiastic about their goal in making SLS affordable but I guess they were in it for the money all along
@@XecularOfficialeveryone has there price. However the issue is if they truly believed in what they were doing they’d have carried on with executing the original plan, knowing they’d have done 1000 times better selling on an established business, brand and IP. Draw your own conclusions, but my one is they knew the product was a dud *at the price point they were touting*.
exactly.
Nay, it is NEGATIVE. This was HERECY
Glad I didn't pledged, and i encourage everyone to stay away from Micronics under Formlabs umbrella because SLS is still going to be far from our desktops with formlabs closed system policy. It happened, exactly as i commented 1 month ago. "If its everything like advertised, Micronics will disrupt the AM market. Crossed fingers that micronics won't be swallowed by bigger company and close it existence like it happened with WeMatter or Sintratec recently..."
Busines 101, buy your competition as it is still small.
Pay them in stocks,
hire them for a few years,
take theire ideas
and then throw them out.. That is what is going to happen.
They deserve this 100 percent and then some educated vacines too
Great. So they are going to double the price and make everything proprietary. Glad I didn't pull the trigger. Feel bad for everyone that ordered.
Yup, this is the future of SLS, they ingested their new tech for pennies, will make HUGE profit on this and we will have to pay through the roof to have it. Forget 5K USD for printer - more like 15k...
Yeah this company was just trying to get bought out on hype alone, they never intended to ship anything.
@@joetoney184 Exactly same thought crossed my mind.
you dont get charged unless the kick starter is over
No one lost any money. The kickstarter is being cancelled meaning the moey is being refunded
You poor kids, you just fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Should have gone to all the competitors fund raising to open source it.
From "affordable desktop SLS machine" to "You'll be getting $1,000 in company scrip so you can get a discount on our future $12,000 machine"
yes, being acquired by a company that requires "Open Material License" ($2K) for you to print with whatever material you want truly fills me with positive outlook...
Are you shitting me? $2000 for using non-Formlabs resin?
@@davidmalkowski7850Yup, I did a double take when I saw that too, absolutely insane
Well that was quick... and the dream died sooner than even kickstarter finished... unfortunate.
It's just one company.
Formlabs doesn't own the concept of an SLS 3D Printer.
If I took a year or 2, I could make one, too.
This world will not be here forever, but if we have enough time, then I believe more competitors will come up, possibly much stronger than the last.
@@matthewmathis62Are you naive, have you forgotten that patents exist?
I thought the vision was bringing SLS to the consumer?
Big middlefinger to consumers you sold out
Hopefully the Chinese companies have seen the demand for low cost SLS and now go out and make the machine Micronics promised. Formlabs just removed some competition, that's all.
Right, I'm all fucking for Chinese plagiarism for this product. Maybe somebody who got an early unit can ship it off so they can research it, no fucking way formlabs is going to give us anything consumer friendly. Fuck their apple locked down garbage.
Yes, I am looking forward to seeing the new and affordable Creality SLS printer.
There are open source SLS projects. Who knows, LDO or Fysetc SLS DIY kit might well be in the stars.
@@flaviovianna4889I know creality get shit for their build quality, but if they do it, fucking good on them. Fuck formlabs, and now fuck micronics too.
Chinese always got so much shit but have always been out savior. Looking back, it was the ender3 that brought fdm to the masses.
Wow, they really misjudged how "excited" we'd be about this announcement.
One team instead of two might be "efficient", but it also undercuts how competition in this space makes the technology more affordable for the rest of us. If Formlabs was the only SLA player in town, most of us still wouldn't have printers.
Yeah, you got Formlabs stock that vests at a later date - that's how acquisitions work. You lose control of your product, and they make sure they lock in your talent for several years.
Good for you - sucks for us.
So you went in with the promise of making the desktop SLS more affordable, then got yourself acquired by a company that already has presence in the SLS space and has vested interest in not getting their products undercut, keeping the prices high and push the locked down nature of the products available on the market?
I mean, I guess it's great that you got yourselves jobs, shares and money, but this move literally goes against everything you presented yourself as. Turning a campaign to make 3D printing better and more affordablea into an essentially a job application is one hell of an opportunistic move I certainly didn't expect. Especially before you even managed to even come to market. What a speedrun.
Beautifully said
I agree 100%
The Grift is Real
perfect summary
it was all talk. What they only really wanted was money. It's too obvious. (Almost) Everybody wants money, but they let their baby die for it. A project of their lifetime. They killed the promise to all the supporters.
That is such a big shame. I understand the reasons for this, but now it will become another inaccessible printer to the masses. I really had hoped this would work out in another way.
Well that goes without saying. Hence why its a shame. @MrBLions14
RIP glad you guys got jobs but this project is dead
Jobs which wont last very long given the other founders of formlabs were pushed out once they started making bank.
This project was too cheap so they were stopped.
@@Zuluknobproof of them being pushed out?
1 month job
@@user-yk1cw8im4hsame ownership hahaha this guys just spewing nonsense
I'm sure the product will improve but the price will triple.
RIP consumer SLS before it even begun
It's much more than triple. You can't get a fuse 1 for less than 25k.
@@kBIT01 $ 38,000 in South Africa.
2:27
I was out of the loop with Formlabs for a while, they charge for a licence to allow you to load your printer with any resin you want?
With all due respect, which is fucking none, what the hell?, this is like charging for an oven to be allowed to cook potatoes that didn't come from the oven manufacturer's own specific potato brand.
RIP consumer SLS printing, it was nice not even knowing you yet.
Yeah, what the actual fuck???
"Open Material License is a paid software license that allows users to print with photopolymer resins not produced or sold by Formlabs (“Non Formlabs Resins”). Your use of Open Material License is subject to these additional terms. Your use of Open Material License is at your own risk."
You have to pay ~ 2k to print other resins on your own Form 3? Did I get that right??
Sadly, many larger companies are going to proprietary stuff.
I thought that was illegal consumer behavior.... This car can only run on Shell branded fuel, if not no more warrantee
Par for the course for formlabs. All there resin printers are functionally identical but locked down so you can't even use their whole resin line, unless you buy the appropriate tier of printer.
I use a formlabs 3L at work, it's weird, there's the licence you buy to unlock the printer but you can just put in any resin you want anyway as long as you have an empty cartridge in the machine. The software lets you tweak the print settings in detail as well so you can dial in any resin then save it as a custom print profile. The printer is effectively unlocked without the licence and it doesn't care that the cartridge is empty.
Why did we do it? for money
This is bad news. Formlabs do nothing for the hobbyist market - their resin printers are 10 times the price of equivalent hobbyist models, and are locked down tighter than a tight thing on national tight day. I'd be surprised if the Micronics SLS printer ever sees the light of day, and if it does then don't expect to see any change from $10k 🤬
Also honestly just bad prints. Liked the software I admit it but print quality and warping was just bad
Yeah this just went down the toilet.
Oh well... FormLabs will improve the tech and add it to their $10k+ printers.
It's definitely the best for you guy's but not for us. I can't be mad, but I am disappointed.
Guess we'll have to wait for the next start up to bring this theory to market and follow through with it.
Since you can’t be mad you probably didn’t back them on kickstarter. 😅
@1stRanger Oh no. Never considered it for a minute. I was waiting for the second gen. But I was super interested. IMO, they were a little too 'rag tag' for me to throw that kind of money at on a Kick, but to each their own.
@@mikejackson9585 that’s what I was waiting for too. Figured I’d wait until they ironed out the wrinkles and get one when it was consistent, even at full retail price. That’s now never going to happen since formlabs is going to double or triple the price or just shelve it entirely.
@@mikejackson9585 I was considering it when they promised 3500$ retail price. When it end up being super early bird deal on kickstarter I stopped considering it. Then Stranger Parts review came in...
its not even best for them lol, they got SHARES ... which means if formlab gets undercut by someone else, they are done
what is about your promise to make a cheap and reliable sls printer for us ?
Fake now, The only cheap printer we're getting from formlabs is one that has a filament/ powder service like it's an HP printer.
They lied.
Looks like their morals were easy to buy.
@@user-yk1cw8im4h it wasn't a lie. he changed plans an it impacted us negatively. don't assume he had bad intentions without proof just because you're emotional.
@@chrishayes5755 don’t assume I’m emotional when in fact it was a lie.
How not to launch a new product 101
Yeah the fact they signed a deal like this so quickly after meeting the formlabs people means they have no idea that they just got played by formlabs
How to piss off your entire community and make them work hard to achieve competitive solutions.
How to create a startup to make millions!... by selling out
So you sold out and now the crowd funded project will be 500% more expensive and less accessible to everyone. What a shame. Took that quick easy cash and dipped.
Yes indeed.
the kickstarter got canceled so it gets refunded
Though I’m not sure it was quick OR easy. However it is very sad. They are looking after themselves and their families, but still…. Ugh.
Exactly
@@lawrencemanning Even if their kickstarter would be finalized, after delivery of first batch of new printers - even if they are crap, they would still EASILY get a job in the business... on second look this entire channel and entire campaign + kickstarter looked like a very long and winded pitch to being acquired.
congratulations, you killed the sole reason people where backing you up
This saved so many consumers from toxic powder in their bedrooms
LOL, Glad you were SOOOO dedicated to this project.
Right? I was hoping they would be leading their own team with formlabs to keep developing the machine but nope, Formlabs just bought the patents and put them into their own structure
guy probably spent years of 16 hours days developing the printer to where it was at. he was clearly dedicated. he just couldn't resist the money. you never know what's going on behind the scenes. the positive is that his hard work payed off, the negative is he burned his reputation and it's going to take more time for this tech to decentralize.
@@chrishayes5755 Guys a sell out to corporations. Wanton greed only gets you eternal servitude in hell lmao
I thought we were going to see a real life Silicon Valley Season 1-4, instead acquired by Hooli...
Ladies and gentlemen, this was billed as a celebration. But it is not a celebration. It is a call to arms. We will destroy our competitors. I give you the product that will carry Hooli to complete and total market dominance. The Box Three, Gavin Belson Signature Edition.
at 0:46 you basically explained why open source is better .
This is exactly what i argued what it should be in the first video they posted, but i was slated. Oh how the turn tables.
th-cam.com/video/m8aqNy9ej-A/w-d-xo.html
Shit man... Shit! I believed in this project so much. I'm never going to be able to afford this now.
I gotta be honest - some people here are like "happy you got a job!" But the reality is if you actually needed to be acquired and there was enough corporate interest to acquire you, then you could have taken Formlab's interest as a sign and then went around shopping for a company that wouldn't immediately drive your product into the ground and away from being in any way accessible.
The moment a company tells you that you need a license to use other resin is the moment you should have shopped elsewhere. Like, listen to the words you are saying. That's absolutely beyond absurd. Why would you want this?
Kiss this project goodbye and all innovation now is behind a walled garden with walls 500x higher.
I hope you guys got a massive payout for this and can do something else. You have the energy to succeed but formlabs will crush your entrepenureal spirit
I would expect they have signed a non-compete claus, which will prevent them from using any of this IP to release a competitive product in this space
Seems pretty obvious in hindsight that these guys had zero intention of actually making a real product. They just wanted to build hype to get bought out before it got to the point of actually having to deliver anything.
@@jeremyglover5541 non competes are banned now
those are pretty much null and void in the US currently though
@@jeremyglover5541speaking of signing clauses actually reminded me of the foldable 3d printer (kralyn3d) was dead in the water. The inventor of that project also got hired by a company and not able to develop anymore.
Welp, there you go. The dream is fucked. I don't know what you guys were thinking when doing this, but you might as well have shat on the idea in public. There's no way Formlabs would EVER let the idea of micronics live.
Shame. On both the parties involved.
Quickest way to go from company trying to make SLS more accessible to company contributing to make 3D printing as proprietary and locked as 2D printing
RIP Micronics. I hope you guys won't drown in regrets about what you've done.
Looking forward for unplayable prices. One dream just explode
This whole video feels like a slap in the face...
Because it is.
Acquisitions never benefit the consumer or the employees of the company being acquired
I'm not sure how Formlabs is supposed to share Micronics vision for accessible printing when Formlabs machines are known for being cost-prohibitive compared to consumer printers. Why was the CEO of a company known for being incredibly proprietary and closed off allowed into opensauce to begin with?
Capitalist speed run. Innovate, disrupt and then get bought out by the giant in the sector.
What a joke.
Lol hahah 🤣 "Capitalist speed run"
The TH-cam creators who tested the prototypes should definitely be asking them for a kickback.
I doubt we will ever hear much on this from the TH-cam 3d printing crowd, for fear of spoiling a relationship with Formlabs. I'd bet that a lot of the reviewers hold a sampling of the sentiments of the comment section, but most probably considered their vested involvement over when they sent the machine back.
why?
As to what koos said, any 3d printing youbtubers that have done reviews of formlabs machines won't speak about this
What a shill haha
When in doubt, sellout.
new price = old price * 10
There goes any competition Form Labs would have had. This is ultimately bad for the 3D printing community.
"we just threw away long term success for short term gain!"
Clearly these founders have never seen the show Silicon Valley...
Or Print the Legend.
talented entrepreneurs are almost all like that-they don't know anything about commerce, they just got fucked I hope this amount was at least 8 zeros.
In Halo 3 announcer voice:
"B E T R A Y A L"
Probably the biggest rug I've seen so far in 2024
Ok, I see that now I have to start the company to make affordable SLS printers
lmao i'm genuinely considering it.
I believe the affordable galvo lens construction is the biggest hurdle, and the chamber temperature system. But yeah, Formlabs buying them is 100% proof that they were getting very sweaty and scared of these two guys with their Micronics machines.
The issue is you can't use any of the technologies they came up with because they patented them to protect themselves from companies like formlabs, so now they belong...to formlabs
@@MarinusMakesStuff Affordable galvo fiber lasers are already available on the market. You don't need to reinvent the wheel.
@@ClayFRocker Nahhh, they do not function as well as the one in Micronics, and besides, yes you can get an affordable one, but good luck designing a whole system around it. But obviously you're some science major who knows best so I won't try to explain to you that it's "not that easy".
Im so happy for you guys! This will be great for your carers.
But I'm sad for us, because that means the cost just quadrupled for us :(
FormLabs acquired this product to kill it, not to produce it.
wow there goes my hype for this company
Damn kid really damaged his reputation forever
Do you really think he cares?
@@clutch2827He certainly will the next time he tries to launch any product. The community will rip anything he tries to build to shreds after this
Sell outs!
Open source anything or at least another 20 yrs of no advances as Formlabs will just sit on their monopoly. The patent system is broken.
Well shit
Ha! Same hat.
Gentlemen. You got fucking played.
I hope the Chinese make a knockoff. I will buy it
So no hobby sls printers on the market like you promised, what was the point again?
Its not "we got acquired"
Its: "we sold it out for big bucks"
Nice for you - bad for the "home" SLS Printing future.
Born to make SLS accessible, bought by Formlabs. Lol. You met the Formlabs guy a month ago in the event and the acquisition is already done? Yep, you got eaten.
It’s simple that $5000 printer is not gonna cost $25,000 and you get $1000 credit towards the $25,000 printer instead of being able to just purchase your $5000 printer. Today. Manufactures do 10% increments in products. This company that bought them out would have to go from $25,000 printers to $5000 printers and they didn’t want to do that so we bought the company and now they can sell them again for $25,000.
Micronics could literally solve their woes in multiple ways. Getting on board someone from tech industry as a CEO and pitching your product to few investors - you would still retain all that belongs to you guys and make this a market disruptor. You just went with easiest (shittiest for us cilents) way possible, and you already had your case made for you with proliferation of printers by Bambulab as well as Prusa in last few years. I'm sure there would be bunch of investors trying to get on board with your company.
As a client I got worst possible scenario - you not only didn't deliver, you just sold your tech to biggest competitor...
You were paid off to not upset the market. You did what was best for you, and threw the consumer under the bus. Don't sugar coat it
Killing competition by buying them. No more cheep sls printers.
Look guys, I watched the development of the project and you seemed like cool engineers passionate about solving a problem that people want to be solved - provide affordable open SLS printing.
As an entrepreneur myself I get the point of taking care about your future but unless you got an obscene amount of money( which I hope you got) you've done probably one of the worst mistakes of your careers. You are now happily employees of an giant that has the track record of seizing the market with capitalist tactics.
As an entrepreneur myself I would never sell my company to anyone that is not aligned with my vision and mission, which FormLabs cleary is not in you case, as if they were to be they would not be a giant. Their scope is to grow ,sell and acquire all competition if possible and your goal was to be an open, affordable and for people initiative in the field of 3D printing.
We would like to know the true story : did you needed to be acquired because of possible patent and legal action problems? you just were tired and wanted a quick way out? There are so many question that needs to be responded to in respect of the support that people showed to you and the company.
Hope everything works out for you in the end and maybe with your new role you guys could change something in the industry.
All that work and all the things that had to align just right. He could have been a multi millionaire. But he caved.
As a fellow engineer entrepreneur I understand it may appeared a good option but you just had to eat glass for another year or so and dig in which you’ve already proven the intellect and determination to do. You let them kill a major new brand in 3D printing in the cradle and you will really never be able to imo equate the value you could have grown your selves with any stock options. You would have been the US based Bambu labs of SLS. it’s unfortunate a lot of us go this route because in all industries it’s a serious problem major companies eat the competition and screw the consumer and it’s up to us to hold the line and not cave to the woman in the red dress. I hope your vision is realized I really do. I am sure as very capable intelligent engineers now working with form labs so many awesome things will happen for you guys and I truly hope that. I saw so much potential in this and your product/ vision, bummed to see it seemingly end and hope you’re able to hold the mission inside of their ecosystem but that is rarely the case.
It's not exciting news. You just got tired of working and sold out. Good luck. Having anything you do mean anything what a waste of good talent
Not sure you can appreciate the level of grind and consistency it took just to develop the printer to the point it was at. Then consider you have to do full on production, keeping profit margins way down to deliver on your promise, then offer customer support to tons of clients, etc. It's not easy. I don't blame him for selling out and taking money, guys probably a poor student and was getting overwhelmed.
0:27 "more accessible to everyone" ... gets acquired by a company that makes the most expensive "consumer" 3D printers that are only bought by big professionals. I mean congratulation but that's the end of the product for pretty much any average at home printer enthusiast.
"We've got EXCITING news, we just got A LOT of money!! Sucks for you guys, though"
We need a Voron style OSHW project for this, not a Kickstarter daydream.
sls4all is a interesting project, but doesn't seem as polished as micron was
the voron team was too obsessed with their old ass corexy to try anything that’s actually new.
The voron team is too stubborn to try anything innovative and actually new, well other than corexy.
In retrospect, It really seems like backers dodged a bullet, more than anything.
Affordable SLS printers have fallen
Billions must not own them
It's over...
I wouldn't be surprised if this was the very last video they ever upload
In the first few seconds of the video, knowing Luke's facetious personality I was expecting him to laugh and say "just kidding! Now, the true announcements…"
But it's real. Prepare to see the price of the Micron double when it finally hits the market (if it ever makes it under this form). Not only because it's Formlabs politics to sell high-priced 3D printers to SMBs and 'prosumers' (a bit like Apple, a brand that ironically Micronics founders don't hold close to their heart!) but also because there's no way Formlabs is going to let such a banger ruin the margins made by their Fuse1 range at the current projected MSRP announced on Kickstarter. Mark my words. In fact I would be delighted to be proven wrong! EDIT: just saw that the Kickstarter, and even the Micron 3D printer itself, are CANCELLED. No cheap SLS for everyone after all! Very, very sad.
Obviously. The micronica machine had nothing that Formlabs couldn't have researched themselves. It's ridiculous to try to convince people backing them that Formlabs did it for the knowledge. So they ever had was the promise of affordable sls, nothing more.
@@testboga5991Micronics did two things, powder handling process and analog galvo control both should have been patented.
formlabs simply allowed the young team to devalue their achievements, I hope the amount was at least 8 zeros, because otherwise it would be a stupid act.
Killed by the competitor before even shipping a single unit. Congrats on the acquisition.
The one with Henry on Formlabs' channel looked like a hostage video. This dude looks super enthusiastic. Seems clear who convinced who to take the cash and dip.
Yes that guy was from Hong Kong, the land where only money matters.
Yeah no, this is quite frankly atrocious news and just out of spite as much as anything, people will no longer look at any of your work in the future. Formlabs have a long history of overcharging and using hostile licencing to kill off competition. 'Two teams working on the same thing means slower progress' Yes, because you'll do things in different ways and actually ensure that people have to compete with each other. Could not possibly have handled this in a worse way. As an opensource software and hardware advocate, working with formlabs with their bullshit open materials licence is one of the most disgusting things you could do short of selling out to apple or someone like the patent hording slime at Stratasys Inc.
I believe that the days of companies like stratisis and formlabs are numbered, they will be bought by themselves. no matter what high prices they make for their products, they will be moved by someone who sells cheap things by the millions. for example, bambu flashforge, qidi is also promising.
Can’t wait to be restricted to only Formlabs magic powder because there’s a microchip in the sift bin and the printer counts every gram used.
This is really sad news
Imagine your machines costing so much that you can just give hundreds of backers $1000 credit...
9 out of 10 sponsors will never take advantage of this discount, because on their genitals they turned the formlabs company with their products and materials at a price of *10, especially since they will not receive anything significant for these 1000.
Now I understand the term "praying for exit" among startup founders. I mean it's great that they sold the company and made some money, but in this case, it's not good for customers. I dislike the formlabs ecosystem as a whole.
Now let's just hope that consumer grade companies have gotten their thinkinghats on, and started on developing competitors for what could have been the great upsetting of sls printers. Since formlabs now pulled a classic move of buy and shelf. Good for the boys to benefit the capitalist world, bad for everyone who hoped
Congrats to you personally, but this really really sucks for the open-source maker community… you should have held out for several years and you would have made 10X personally and for the opensource community as well. Now everything will be proprietary and behind a paywall…. Mehhhhh…..
You are now the Bre Pettis of SLS
I can't believe you guys went that far just to sell your a$$. So enthusiasts and makers have to wait another 10 years for somebody else who hopefully will learn from the mistake you just did.
Lucky for us the SLS4All project is still around and they just went open source last month.
@@madbuldogoshw is the only thing that give humanity hope
so no $3000 SLS printer?
what a shame
Wow thats incredibly sad. Took the money and ran. Excited to see how formlabs locks down the patents and stifles enthusiast SLS printing for another 20 years. This was the beginning of a huge company and movement and formlabs sniped it lmao.
Oh kid!
😂hahaha! You got, GOT!
You just sold out, without knowing it. They just killed the competition and got shackled. Long Haul? You just became a minion when you could have been Tony Stark.
i never wanted china to remake something more than this.
I hope they copy the shit out of this now.
If you can’t compete you buy out the competition!
That’s too bad!
I doubt a low cost sls will make it to market now… glad to be proven wrong.
I wonder if they realize that they just doomed home SLS any time soon overnight. They have no incentive to release a home SLS kit now. They're young, but that does suck.
There goes the affordable SLS option. Sad news...
3:36 The timing of the dumpster truck is perfect for what he's saying because formlabs will shut down any open communication
"Now, why are we doing this?"
"MONNNEYYYY"
You don't need to insult everybody's intelligence, the winning strategy is making a product good enough to get your startup acquired by the known manufacturers who you'd need to otherwise compete against. Good for you, but I'll never be able to think about affording it.
That Sounds just like a Sell out to me 😢
Top-10 anime betrayals.
I knew something wasn't right when this project moved from a on-site pre-order system to a kickstarter with no explanation(old page with price got removed, etc), even after inquiring here, no response about why.