Joseph Prince Vs David Pawson, Lawrence Khong, Chew Weng Chee, Michael Brown & George Ong
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Joseph Prince Vs David Pawson, Lawrence Khong, Chew Weng Chee, Michael Brown & George Ong on future sins forgiven? - by Rev George Ong
Excerpt from Article:
Hey Joe, there is a song ‘Not alone’, which will be sung at the National Day Celebrations of Singapore. Like all Singaporeans, you are not alone, but as a false teacher, you are, indeed, very alone. Tell me, which Church Father preaches the same doctrine as you do - that all future sins are automatically forgiven at the cross. Please name them? Come on, don’t give me that quizzical look! Don’t have, right? Tell me, which Singapore church or Pastor teach your same doctrine that future sins are forgiven without confession and repentance? Come on, don’t scratch your head. There is none, means there is none. You can scratch until the whole crop of your hair falls, none means none.
Finally, not only David Pawson, Lawrence Khong, Chew Weng Chee, Michael Brown and George Ong teach against your future-sins-are-forgiven doctrine, the whole Historic Church and Contemporary Church are also against your evil doctrine that would lead people to licentiousness.
So, Joseph Prince, your Lone Ranger status double confirmed Liao Lah.
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Thank you so much Rev George Ong for the great efforts to safeguard the truth! Appreciate if it can be translated into mandarin language which many mandarin churches are also deceived by Hyper Grace teachings out there ❤
Yes, The Bible clearly written only our old/past/former sins are forgiven.
That's why we need to confess our sins when we sin against God and turns from our wicked ways.
Yes, JP would only show half of God's Word but hide the other half yet he has the audacity saying he always teaches The Bible in context!
GOD Will Punish False Teachers:
📖2 Peter 2:1-4 EASY
[1] Many years ago, there were false prophets among God's people.
They did not speak God's true messages.
In the same way, there will also be false teachers among you. They will come among you and they will teach you things that are not true.
Their wrong ideas will deceive people.
Those false teachers will even speak against the Master,
who paid the price for their sins. As a result, they will bring trouble on themselves that quickly destroys them.
[2] Many people will believe these false teachers.
They will live in a bad way, like the false teachers.
As a result, other people will say bad things against God's true way to live.
[3] The false teachers want you to give them money.
So they will teach things that are not true.
A long time ago, God already decided that he must punish them. God is ready to do that now. Certainly, he will soon destroy them.
[4] God even punished the angels who refused to obey him.
He threw them down into the deep hole of hell.
He tied them up and he kept them in that completely dark place.
They will remain there until the day when God will judge them.
even a small kid will know that if all future sins are forgiven, then everyone can be allowed to commit sin as they will be forgiven anyway.
Preach it pastor George
JP teaches half truth & one sided relationship abt God's love for us . But relationship is always two ways . God's love for us proven by His grace & our love for God proven by our obedience to keep His commandments
All future sins forgiven is at heart a feel-good, sugar-coated sermon twitching itching ears
"Begin early to teach, for children begin early to sin" -Charles Spurgeon
How dangerous it is to teach children that all future sins are forgiven
To NCC goers,
🙏🏼Please think and ask yourself honestly, by skipping/hiding certain verses and pick those that you all like will it still be acceptable and justified by God?
Do we really think God will be just 😂 in frustration?
Have anyone read Jeremiah 36? ( The Entire chapter i mean )
Is about Jeremiah's Scroll 📜 Read In The Temple.
Do we want to know what's happened to King Jehoiakim that pick and choose the Word of God?
Oh ..he was so daring, he cuts away those Words that he doesn't likes and threw it into the fire! 🫣😱
Today here we dare to repeat this wicked acts towards our God?
Don't you all FEAR The Lord? 😭
Alright. Lets bible study😊
Can't speak for all but, but don't have to skip or hid for our own walk with Jesus. I admit I always pick the verses I love in the Bible to mediate base on the stand that I see God as love and He is the same yesterday, today and forever. eg. "Jesus love them to the end", "Jesus wept", "Rejoices always". It's hard for me to mediate like "You shall surly die", "they shall throw you down into pit" totally no flow😂. So yes, I do pick but still read the rest. Not all verses are directly spoken to us, just like the news today.
V3. In the mist of God's frustration, there is still mercy and love although the king, priest, Israel and nations forget and forsaken God.
King Jehoiakim was not appointed by God but Eygpt. that's ok. God can use anyone if he is willing. He was a godless tyrant and has no relation with God. God still love them and send repeated warning for them to repent.(I see this group has forget God's goodness)
He cut and burned the whole scroll. In fact he don't like the whole scroll. 😀
V28 - 31. All are bad and punishment words directed to this group. (I also don't like if written to me and I don't know God) (I will be depress, fear and faster repent if I know Him and knows He will forgive me. Just Imagining I was there)
V24 The King, attendants and group has no fear or repentance. (Just as we were to tell the idol worshippers / unbelievers today, who don't know God at all)
I see the 2 daring guys as Jeremiah and Baruch. who seen to has zero fear. power! The scroll is not bible, word to the king and group. Our God can restore anything if it is.
@@dennislee4479Thank you very much for your replied.
Appreciate you take the time to go through The Bible.
I respect your point of view regarding this scripture as all of us were given a free choice to choose what to believe or not.😊
Nevertheless please do continue to read and study The Bible ya 🙏🏼📖
Really appreciate Rev George Ong warn all of us the false teaching of Joseph Prince. Matthew Chp 7 - 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. New Creation Church is so big, crowded and rich because Man like and enticed to listen to feel good preaching which is not the truth, that we are still sinners even after we are born of Water and of Spirit. No one is Good except GOD. Everyday, I am still striving to be a good Christian, humble myself, pray, seek HIS face, confessing my sinful nature, repent and seek HIS kingdom. I hope and have faith that through HIS Grace, Mercy, Love, the works of HiS Holy Spirit on us and our repentance, faith, obedience and perseverance to the end, we shall be saved.
JP's teaching that all your future sins are forgiven can never be right biblically and logically because:
1. Biblically JP's teaching contradicts against both the teaching of the Lord and the teaching of John:
Luk 11:2-4 KJV And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. (3) Give us day by day our daily bread. (4) *AND FORGIVE US OUR SINS;* for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
1Jn 1:9-10 KJV *IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS,* he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
If both the teaching of the Lord and His disciples tell us us to confess our sins, does it mean that our 'future sins' have been forgiven? No, if our 'future sins' have been forgiven, we would not be asked to confess our sins.
2. Logically JP's teaching also contradicts against commonsense and normal logic. Please think, If God were to tell Adam that all his 'future sins' have been forgiven, would Adam be so grateful to God that he would not sin? No, logically it would not happen because, if Adam would sin when he was 'sinless', he would still sin whether he was grateful to God or not. Similarly, people will sin when they are sinners; and they would still sin whether they are grateful to God or not too. It is because whether Adam will sin or the sinners will sin does not depend on whether their future sins are forgiven or not; whether they will sin or not depends on whether they know about their sins, humble themselves, and repent. So, JP's logic that the sinners or his 'believers' would be so grateful to God for the forgiveness of their future sins that they would never sin again has no logic at all. His logic that they do not need to repent is an antiChrist's doctrine which is against the words of Christ biblically and logically too.
I think after all these analyses of his lies, heresies, and double talks from both biblical and logical perspectives, we do not need to be a rocket scientist to know that Joseph Prince is a false prophet, antinomian, or antiChrist. However, we can never convince those who have decided to believe in a lie and rejected the grace of God who has shown them the truth. We can only pray that God will still give grace to those who will repent when they are shown the truth here. And I believe that this website is the grace of God to those who will repent when they are shown the truth here. This website is a rare 'gem' that will shine and reveal what is truly in our hearts when we've learnt what is the truth and lie, so that we have no excuse when we are judged after grace has been given:
2Th 2:9-17 KJV Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (11) And for this cause God shall send them STRONG DELUSION , that they should believe a lie: (12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness .. (16) Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope *THROUGH GRACE* , (17) Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
Just now I said that we do not need to be a rocket scientist to know that Joseph Prince is a false prophet, antinomian, or antiChrist. It's because when the law of God is in our hearts, we would know who is an antinomian and who is an antiChrist:
*1. who is an antinomian* - Heb 8:10-11 KJV For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will PUT MY LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (11) And they SHALL NOT TEACH every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
*2. who is an antiChrist* - 1Jn 2:18-22 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (20) But YE HAVE AN AUCTION from the Holy One, and ye know all things. (21) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
*3. who is a false prophet* - Mat 7:15-23 KJV Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves .. .. (21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (24) Therefore whosoever HEARETH THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
However, God is still merciful even if we have lost all that discerning law, auction, or doctrine of Christ because of the deceptions from the false prophets, antinomians, or antiChrists. We can still go back to God in repentance. Actually, God has given us more grace even when we are so deceived that we cannot discern anymore. This website is the grace of God for those who have already been deceived. I pray that we can still respond and repent before it is too late. Rev George has written so much about the deception of the false prophets and antinomians that we should never miss them when we meet one (like Joseph Prince). However, for those who still argue and think that Joseph Prince can never be an antiChrist, please revisit th-cam.com/video/FKI-iLkSgC4/w-d-xo.html and read my comments there which shows that he is already 'entered by the spirit of antiChrist' (if not an antiChrist yet).
.. continued from what I have said earlier at the top that:
*1. Biblically JP's teaching* contradicts against both the teaching of the Lord and the teaching of John and
*2. Logically JP's teaching* also contradicts against commonsense and normal logic
*3. Politically JP's teaching* still may not work for some people who may have received more 'grace' and 'favor' too. Do you know that, in Singapore, MPs are all highly paid because of their critical role to ensure that there is stability and proper governance in the country? However, can we ensure that giving them the highest pay will eliminate all corruptions with no more need for the laws. No, it's because we know that people will still corrupt when there is no proper education, legislation, administration, and enforcement of good governance and laws. I think it might be disaster if we tell the MPs or politicians that all their 'FUTURE CORRUPTIONS' are forgiven under the law of the country too. Similarly, in the church, just receiving 'abundance of grace' does not mean that no one will sin. We still need to do and teach the law of God in the church.
However, Joseph Prince and his fans would still quote Heb 8:10-12 and argue that with the laws written in their hearts, they no longer need to do or teach the law of God. I will tell them to read it again: Heb 8:10-11 KJV For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (11) And *they shall not teach* every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, *saying, Know the Lord:* for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
I will tell them, It did not say that you do not need to do or teach the laws; it said that you do not need to teach 'know the Lord' because the law teaches about the Lord and who our God is. However, we still need to teach the law which teaches us about His will, His do's and don'ts, His warnings, and His commandments (for example teach that God is against worshipping of idols, and that He is a righteous Judge who judges those who disobey His law or covenants). Besides, when the laws are written in our hearts and minds, it means that we still need to meditate or think about them, and when we think about them, we need to do and teach them too.
Joseph Prince is not only sick mentally; he is sick spiritually. Obviously, he knows that (from his sin conscience or the conviction of the Holy Spirit that) he has sinned, but he is 'afraid' to repent. He know that he will sin and he won't like to repent in the future too. So, he has to come up with 'something' (to replace the conviction of the Holy Spirit) that, when he sins (now), he is already forgiven, and when he sins again (in the future), he is also forgiven. In another words, he tells you that whether you sin now or you will sin in the future, you will not need the conviction of the Holy Spirit, you will not need to repent, and you will be forgiven (or already forgiven). Obviously, this is a sick mentality from a sick preacher who refuses to repent (now or in the future). His preaching of 'abundant' radical grace to cover all his sins (present and future) is actually an excuse to *COVER FOR ALL HIS RADICAL UNREPENTANCE* . If all the sinners believe in such a *'SICK COVER'* for their unrepentance whenever they sin (now or in the future), can they still be convicted by the Holy Spirit? Can they still repent? NO ! You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that.
When the Holy Spirit can convict us, we can still repent; but when He cannot convict us (because of false preaching), we have no repentance. So, the Holy Spirit can convict us or anyone in the world if we are willing to repent. However, if we refuse to repent, He cannot convict us of sin, righteousness, or judgement. I know that Joseph Prince is someone who does not and will not repent because he deliberately lies that all his present and future sins have been forgiven (as an excuse to *'COVER'* for his unrepentance). However, will he remove the conviction of the Holy Spirit totally and become the Lawless One? We need God to confirm it with time:
2Th 2:7-11 LITV For the mystery of lawlessness already is working, *ONLY HE IS HOLDING BACK NOW,* until it comes out of the midst. (8) And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence. (9) His coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and miraculous signs and lying wonders, (10) and in all deceit of unrighteousness in those being lost, because they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. (11) And because of this, God will send to them a working of error, for them to believe the lie, ..
The bottom line is: If you are so sensitive to, so afraid of, so depressed, so condemned, so offended .. .. by your sins or sin conscience that you will cut yourselves, take your own life, or 'behave and believe' like Joseph Prince, you need to see a doctor or counselor; otherwise, as a sinner you are *NORMAL* to feel bad, guilty, convicted, humbled, or sorrowed when you sin. So, if you were the husbands who have sinned against your wives, please be men enough to confess your sins. However, please never see or hear Joseph Prince when you sin or feel convicted by sin; he will just give you all his *ABNORMAL* advice that will 'block' your sin conscience, but at the same time, turn you into an 'abnormal' insecure carnal believer with his abnormal repentance which gives you only a temporary relief from your sin or sin conscience. However, the real pain that you will go through is tremendous after you regret and realize that he has never led you to any genuine repentance or godly sorrow about your sins.
Perhaps JP should have seen a counsellor or psychologist in his younger days. As he mentioned it was when he was a young believer, he felt condemned that he had to confess sin every now and then. That's why he went to the extreme and taught on the confession of "I'm the righteousness of God in Christ,"
People with a sound mind will know JP is sick in his mind and spirit. To be able to produce so much heresies show his state of mind and spirit.
Please listen to David Wilkerson's sermon. He talks about sin , the wrath of God and repentance. JP will not enter by the narrow gate
📖Ezekiel 18:21-22
[21] But if wicked people TURN AWAY from all their sins and begin to OBEY my decrees and DO what is JUST and RIGHT,
they will surely LIVE and NOT DIE.
[22] All their PAST SINS will be forgotten, and they will live because of the RIGHTEOUS things they HAVE DONE.
Nice! God sounds fustrated 😂.I think God means the yearly sacrifice. "Is it not your way that are unjust"
V22 25 n 32 very powerful. "For He takes no pleasure in the death of anyone, repent and live!
I would definitely agreed with you 100% in V22 25 n 32 but please do also include the entire of Ezekiel 18 from V1 till V32
You were right. Our loving Father takes no pleasure in punishing His children till death. He wants us to live.
But the problem is, we did not obey His precepts after we called Him our God and that provoke Him into anger.
It is all written in The Bible.
You can either believe it with all your heart or don't.
There is no middle ground when comes to God's Word 🙏🏼
By keep denying God's Word will it bring us total security?
No, sadly it won't. For that we are just living in denial.
What's the point then ya? 😢
@@dennislee4479 hi beloved, 🙏🏼please do yourself a kind favor by reading the entire Ezekiel 18 without skipping here and there.
Then ask yourself honestly is God talking about yearly sacrifices like what you thought or it is an individual retribution?
Please read them as many English Bible versions you can to make sure i am not trying to deceive you. 🙏🏼
@@joyceliew4352 Chilled sister, read liao. and did not skip here and skip there. realised you extracted from NLT?
V2 on sour grapes. (free can refer to Jeremiah 31:30) after V31 Father goes on to a new covenant. I still believed God was speaking to the Israelites in Ezekiel 18 who desired to keep the law base on the sour grapes. New covenant on individual relation with Jesus.
In OT, I only know of Father requirement of yearly sacrifices carry out by persists that can cover sins. I do know of any other methods.
Sister, really enjoy our smooth exchange. I never think u are trying to deceive anyone. Shalom with joy👍
Pity the young impressionable minds subjected to such insidious teaching. Its going to create a whole generation of unfeeling, callous, unrepentant young people led astray.
Thanks Rev George Ong for the detail explaination
This is probably one of the most important videos I have seen in my life
Great job Rev. You are spending time throwing stones at a brother instead of spending effort preaching Jesus to the unsaved. Well done. Missing the big picture. Smart people
"To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus Christ" - Charles Spurgeon
Do you even read the bible at all? What did Jesus says about repentence? What is the big picture? You seem to be suggesting that you are a smart person by not reading your bible? And you seem to be suggesting that you are a smart person by not watching the evidences? Right? We may not be as smart as you but we hope that more people will turn to the true christ instead of the anti-christ.
Sad when you can't differentiate the shepherds, the wolves, the sheep and the goats
There is such thing as preaching a false Christ and gospel. And JP is doing Jesus Christ a disfavour by misrepresentating Christ and His teachings.
JP is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's right to say he's anti-Christ.
[a] Rev. George Ong has been concerned with JP's heresy --- and as a shepherd or pastor, he has the responsibility of correcting any wrong teaching. JP can sound highly convincing, but his heresy is grating to the cognizant.
[b] And Rev. George Ong's action is not peculiar --- anything that's not right or misleading must be corrected immediately. This has been the practice for churches.
I was a member of a Baptist church once --- I am now a Catholic --- there are always church members who quietly question the pastor's preaching or out-of-the-blue behavior; and we get to to see immediate clarification.
I was also a member of NCC once --- JP questioned the practice of praying Our LORD's prayer in one of his sermons (!!!) --- and immediately the next week, he retracted.
@@lindsaylim5806 Thank you sister. Just curious.
On the salvation truth of 50/50% or 100%. I think Christian called as Christ-like or anti Anit-Christ does not really matter. It's between Jesus and us and depends how secure we are. But how do we convinced ourself be it 50% or 100% salvation to sincerely introduce our Lord Jesus Christ to the non believers?
How you guys manage to do it? Do kindly share. thanks