Walt had lung cancer while recording this and actually had to stop to have oxygen a number of times. He thought he was just tired, but months after was dead.
I wonder what it must have been like in an alternative timeline where Walt Disney took much better care of Himself and had Lived for an extra 20 years.
@@stephenlangsl67 I agree but these slimeballs running it after those 20 years still would have ruined it. Take a look at TH-cam videos of the 1964/65 NY Wolrds Fair. Take a look at the people attending and the way that they were dressed attending this public exhibition. A different time and a much better time.
This is a horrible idea... just plain horrible on all levels.On a practical level it is laughable, on an engineering level it is nonsense, powering the city would be impossible, but most importantly as an actual city to live in - it seems like hell. It's like a dystopian "city" ruled by a corporation, which then ruled one man or the biggest shareholders. I guess a planned society based off "free market principles" is better than other planned cities, for some inarticulable reason. A giant dome covering the main downtown area where "ideal" temperatures "protect" residence from the horrors of nature. Wow. How much energy would that cost? Everyday, artificial temperatures all day non--stop. Plus the high speed energy trains and low speed trams. Then the actual utilities, such lights. That is a lot of energy required. Where will that energy come from, and how much would it cost, and would it not be put to better use to service more than 20,000 people. The people mover trams are a waste of energy as well, and why must they be continuously moving? Its dangerous to get out of it, and not handicapped accessible. Coordination in this city is absurd. What if some people don't follow the rules? I mean it is hard enough to get people to stop at a light. But somehow the car drivers will just follow the "car only" section out of good will? What about a genuine mistake? It could destroy everything. I could go on but there are other issues even more pressing. Florida, has low sea level. The swamps are basically water seeping through the ground. You can barely make a basement in Florida. Somehow this dystopia would have 3 underground rings, deep and strong enough to not cave from the weight of the giant dome city above? Also, what about the carbon emissions from the cars (running on petrol) and trucks (running on diesel)? Where do the toxic emission go? Vents? What kind of vents. . . they would have to be enormous as the tunnels underground go across the dome city area. A whiff of that entrance would kill you with all those cars driving. It is a suicide mission to drive through that tunnel. This is just nonsense. It is pure fantasy and not even a good one at that. Tokyo, or Munich, or Paris or New York City... those are cities for human beings. This? This seems like the daydreams of a child on his way to becoming a cult leader. Am I the only one seeing this? Cause there more problems here than I mentioned. Horrible idea.
No, you're not the only one. I have no doubt Walt only had the best intentions at heart for this project, but human nature being what it is, things would have inevitably unravelled had the original EPCOT become a reality, especially when such power is exerted over people's everyday lives.
The top bosses abandoned the plan as they felt it was really no use continuing with epcot without Walt's guidance. They were kinda upset bout it but the original plan was based on 50's futurism. Updating it to suit changing standards of futurism would not really be financially feasible either. You have to see that factor as well. Sorry if this reply pisses u off
I believe that it's honestly better that it never happened that way... without, y'know.. Walt himself there to express his vision it wouldn't be the same as he envisioned it... never truly as he designed. One wish was kept though I believe, and that is that there still are aspects of both people coming together from all walks of life as a community with world showcase, and the effects of futurism with the other section of the park. So while it wasn't true to Walt's original design, I feel like they still kept his wishes in mind.
Yes, it would have been super cool if they could have built it just like Walt wanted, but the truth is, when they started doing costs analyses they discovered that it would be prohibitively expensive. JW3HH
I think he passed away before this design materialized and that is why Orlando is such a perpetual dysfunctional mess of a metropolis to this day. Walt knew how big Disney would become but the city didnt plan for it
It sure looks great but it seems like hell on earth for me. Everything is planned. It doesn't look like you can own anything. You share your backyard with all of your neighbors. There is place for nature, or agriculture, only gardens. A visionary city, sure. Full of great ideas. But it seems a little bit too "planned" for me. no place to deviate from the plan
It was imagine for the demographics of 1950s America, not 2024's "post-America" population. A number of upper income suburbs of the era had more "connected" look to the yards and remarkably there was little crime
Maybe, just maybe, someone like Elon Musk or another Steve Jobs could bend their minds in this direction, and finally complete Walt's dream of a community of tomorrow.
Man I could sit here and listen to Walt speak all day. You can truly sense his enthusiasm in everything he talks about. I really wish he could've lived longer...
A very grand dream - this man was a true creator, builder, visioneer, and futurist. One of the truest this world has ever seen. Sadly, when he died, no one picked up that same spirit - not only the EPCOT vision, but Walt's entire way of seeing the world and his eager, even joyful drive to improve it. I enjoyed Epcot Center as a kid (probably more then than I would now, seeing as it was at least more educational and innovative then).... and I like quite a few Disney movies even today. But the Disney company today is nothing, in spirit, like what Walt meant it to be. Walt Disney was an entertainer yes - but he was also so much more than that. More than most people will ever know.
EPCOT is still educational... There's still Spaceship Earth, Living with the Land, Journey into Imagination and the World Showcase. Spaceship Earth teaches science and history, Living with the Land teaches business in agriculture, Journey into Imagination shows guests ways to imagine and the World Showcase can be very educational about different cultures.
The problem is people don't want to be educated anymore, they want explosions and virtual reality rides. Every time I go to Disneyland I go to the Great Moments with Lincoln show. There are always no more than 6 people in there with me. We have been groomed to seek instant and intense stimuli. Disney is only providing what is in demand.
Can't believe that some people would ever put immediate profit over long-term productivity and proper vision. EPCOT's failure is arguably the greatest tragedy of the free market incentive or rather, the failure of man to see beyond his immediate interests. I've no doubt that ECPOT the city would be more profitable and more significant had Walt lived. No new attractions can save it right now, for all of Bob Iger's hard work, sadly.
oh I m so glad somebody noticed and the song is by the shermans maake way for tomorrow today, such a good song can already hear it in the first catain america, if you listen carefully
ThatEccentricguy Haven't had time to play any games recently. Crunch time with my current dev project. My free time is mostly spent getting up in the morning and going to bed at night. It'll be a few months at least.
TheInsaneGamer Good question. I just got money the first time in "a few" months (startup life sux), so I'll consider buying this game now. I'll have to play it for a while before I decide to make a mod.
Jesse Kimball I know he's like almost like a good grandfather who loves you more than anything and gives you a bunch of toys and candy as a child but he died too early.
All I see in Epcot is a copy of what’s already over our heads and a city where it’s residents are stuck doing mediocre jobs, living mediocre lives while Walt and company get richer and richer. Kind of Disgusting 🤮
The People Mover and Monorail system were so far ahead of their time that today's transportation STILL hasn't caught up 60 years later. We use the same archaic bus system in every city instead of taking transportation above-ground and making it electric. Even the modern street cars and rail systems hold up traffic, cause accidents and create even more carbon emissions (from stopped traffic). Uncle Walt was a man way ahead of his time. It's a shame he didn't live for another 20 years.
yeah it is a cool system but for people mover or monorail systems you would have to spend more money because the tracks and other stuff because the way they are built. that is the reason why you mainly find them only in parks or at airports to get from one terminal to the other.
Monorails may INITIALLY cost more, but after the FIRST motor vehicle or pedestrian accident with a light rail train & someone gets KILLED - and that HAPPENS - the savings in $$$ will not seem like such a big deal....
For the Most part Monorails are essentially the same thing as tram systems such as the ones in San Diego California. except its off the ground and doesn't require a conventional track relying more on a magnetic or roller type system to aid in its mobility. They tend to be much quieter and don't have stuff like electrical lines over the train or using gas engines. You can also essentially build one without doing too much area damage. As the raised track allows you to build pretty much anywhere. That in itself is a worthwhile investment. Also because of the raised tracks you can avoid obstacles that normally would be a danger to trains such as other vehicles or pedestrians this in turn allows the Monorail to pace along at a faster speed knowing there is little danger to it. Well expensive it would probably be accepted as a worth while form of transportation for many people seeking to reach there jobs from the suburbs to the inner city or to bypass traffic to say the beach. there is lots of potential for a monorail system. Its a shame such a tech could never enter the current US transportation system due to the political unrest
Molasar So much yes in this comment. Agree 100% The monorail and peoplemover systems being implemented in large cities would drastically reduce carbon output from vehicles. Throw not necessarily full vegetarianism but cutting down on cattle consumption and the world might actually be saved from the current climate change literal meltdown that’s getting out of control.
The final version of Epcot became a theme park that promotes science, tecnology, and geography. I dont have a problem with that. But still, this idea for a futuristic city sounds awsome. I still think Disney should bring this idea back and rename it. But I know that rent would be too expensive for nearly anyone to live there.
I still like EPCOT the way it is, it s all we have, it s better than nothing actually I liked it better in the 80's than now, with all those sherman songs and that eerie atmosphere
Biggest two issues are: prioritizing major companies interests over regular citizen rights, and by definition being a autocratic / dictatorship that’d by every measure make Walt a king of Epcot. Innovative urban planning but this would be a terrifying world to live in
I love Walt Disney, he was a great man. It's a shame that he needed an oxygen mask between takes in this presentation, since he was suffering from the ravage of lung cancer.
+Zac Miller Many people in the US were anti semites at that time, just because the Nazis were also anti-semites doesnt mean anyone who supports the US was a pro-semite. Also we can admire Walt Disneys creativity and brilliance while also denouncing his bigotry at the same time.
+Elena G I don't think there's much evidence he was an antisemite. I'm pretty sure that's just another one those things people believe because the claim was widely circulated. Now you could make a case that he was racially insensitive as a great deal of people were at the time, but that doesn't make him antisemitic or a racist (another circulated claim). It doesn't really make sense to hold the past to the standards of the present.
I think this is all amazing, and I think if Walt could've seen his vision through, it would've been one of the most amazing feats in human history. But even today, I think it just demonstrates the insane power of the Walt Disney Corporation. Because not only did they buy all that land, they lobbied in Florida to the point where they were granted full administrative and bureaucratic control of that land. Which is insane to think that a multi media conglomerate also acts as a full municipal government.
Actually thats what Walt wanted. He wanted his company to have control of the land. He said so somewhere in the beginning of this presentation. So get off your high horse. We need an Elon Musk type to ‘twitter’ the Reedy Creek corp. and make Walts dream a reality.
@@dwightk.schruteiii8454 Walt made Florida what it is today for those who live there..not to have someone come and take it all from them. If they can do that to Disney then they can do it to any city. Most think Disney is just an amusement park. It's not. It is a legal municipality.
@@FinarfinNoldorin Thats a violation of law and securities fraud. The bonds issued to RCID all mandate a disclosure that the bond is public use only and that RCID and Walt Disney are separate entities. Its amusing to see people openly defend a major mega corporation illegally usurping government power from a state government. Like thats not a dystopian horror flick come to life. But, the marriage of police power and profit is a central tenet of the left's vision so it makes sense.
@@FinarfinNoldorin Problem is... the current Walt Disney company leaders, abdicated Walt's promises to Florida. this is why Florida did what it did. Disney co chose not to live up to their end of the bargain, so the bargain is void.
Ulysses North well you used to have to pay per ride, the higher cost of a full day ticket is basically eating the cost of each ride that you’d pay for anyway. Surely over three days I would have spent well over two hundred dollars if I had to pay per each ride I wanted to ride. Or you know, the amount that would be relative to today’s $200 lol
It's likely the other parks would have been made eventually. As for the money issue. Blame the late 70s and 80s when someone thought it was a great idea to introduce trickle down economy and fuck over the middle class
It's an interesting concept. The big issue would be expansion. If you box in the city center like that, it would be hard to expand. You'd only be able to build residential areas outside. Obviously they decided to not go through with this but visiting EPCOT at Disney World is awesome. Been there many times.
I think Walt's idea is to just... build another city. there's an economy of scale aspect to city planning. a 30 minute or less commute to work is great, but if the plan gets expanded like you suggest... suddenly it's... more. This is why NYC is functionally 5 different cities adjacent to each other. working in Manhattan would be very awkward to live outside it.
ceecoursian There are many cities around the world that are always pushing the limit. For example, a new city in the United Arab Emirates will be carbon free. Other cities push the bar on efficiency, or transportation.
Walt may not have gotten his true EPCOT that he wanted, but Celebration is a town near if not on Disney property (I live just a few miles from Kissimmee and there have always been back and forth rumors about how much of Kissimmee Disney actually owns) Celebration is a small town, with a town square where people can shop and eat and hold festivals, and then there are the houses and apartments surrounding it. There are even schools, a hospital, libraries, and churches inside this community. All just about 5-10 minutes away from the gates to one of the parks. It's pretty creepy if you ask me, every time I go out there for something it just seems too perfect.
Celebration reminds me of Hampstead in Montgomery Al. Super creepy. It's really "perfect" and when you drive through it, it feels like you are on a movie set. A bit like the TV show "The Gates".
Celebration isn't a typical community. Not only is living there outrageously expensive, but you must sign contracts and agreements that make a typical homeowner's association look like your best friend. They regulate everything and have extremely high standards. That is why everything looks perfect there, it is because it IS perfect. They force it to be perfect. Anyone who violates their rules are fined or removed. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, and obviously the people who live there want to live in a perfect community and are willing to follow those rules when they move in, but that is why it is the way it is.
I understand that Disney was a flawed man, but I can't help but think the child-like enthusiasm he had for our future as a species is such a breath of fresh air in 2021. It feels like we've regressed so far from these admirable dreams
Search Ross Perot balancing the budget. He had a lot of similar ideas as Walt. I wouldn’t be surprised if they at one point was one the businessmen Walt talked to
@@dwightk.schruteiii8454 Not to mention every moron has a voice now on the internet. Dissent and stupidity is much easier to propagate and infect the minds of the youth than it was before.
well the point was for you to live under a microscope, they control everything because its an experiment that would have been constantly ongoing. Any time you join an experiment of this magnitude you sign away your liberties to some degree or even totality, look at NASA astronaut's while in training and during physiological effects experiments in orbit. You would know this going in, if its not your thing don't sign up - i know i wouldn't lol. Stop trying to make Walt out to be big brother.
A comment I read from this video said: "I could listen to Walt Disney explaining his plan for World Domination and I will still support it. He's that good." I couldn't agree more. XD
Disney Springs is basically car free shopping and entertainment with parking structures on the outside. Cars in this idea are simply moving underground with a Disney Springs in the center. A few towns will have days when you can't drive the car through the town. Even in the US you see this for Farmers Markets or Street Events where the roads are blocked off and used only for people. That is something that can be requested locally and you can help make happen. Even malls are sometimes built so you only need a car or bus ticket to get there and not to move store to store. One issue that he saw was weather, we are often car dependent because of weather yet covered walkways and sky walks are a simple enough solution that city planners ignore.
Yeah. It's a shame this never came to fruition. It would have been wonderful. When I was 11-years-old, in 1967, I sent to WED for a form that would include you in a lottery that was going to be held to pick the residents of EPCOT. Sadly, nothing ever came of it and I don't think the lottery was ever held. Unfortunately, I no longer have the paperwork. I wish I did. It would be cool to look at it after all these years. The dream pretty much died with Walt when he passed away at the very end of 1966. He was a true visionary.
Ryan rogerson It's absolutely true. As far as the excitement of the time goes, well, "traditional" American culture was starting to crumble and a lot of weirdness was becoming apparent--drug use, Hippies and the whole counter-culture, etc. It really wasn't that great. If I had a choice I wouldn't pick the mid to late '60's to grow-up in again. Though it was still better than it is now, in my opinion.
Thank God, that some people didn't forgot this projekt, and it didn't sink entirely with Walt Disney, after his death. It's a shame, that it's only a theme park now, but the Venus Projekt carries on this magnificent, and useful idea of tomorrow. Maybe some day, somebody will complete his vision. I would like to live in a community like this. :)
Epcot definitely would have failed but Disney deserved to get to the point where it could fail. He was so passionate and did it not only so people would remember him but because he genuinely wanted to better society. He was flawed but his heart is usually in the right place.
With Walt's death came the death of any ideas and control over the Florida Project Walt had. His brother Roy made sure that Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom already started was completed. It opened in October 1971 and in December of the same year, Roy died as well. With the two oldest members of the Walt Disney Company gone the grand plan described in the film for Florida went with them. This would have made a big difference where I live. The airport and industrial park would have brought more jobs and tax dollars to Osceola County, but as the future plans changed all the major projects were kept in Orange County and only Celebration (where the airport would have been) and ESPN's Wide World of Sports is in Osceola County. cars and busses are the main mode of transportation, and the electric monorail and people mover are just rides within the Seven Seas Lagoon area and the extension to EPCOT (Erased Planned Community of Tomorrow).
To all those begrudging what Epcot is today; after Walt Disney's passing, the company was uneasy attempting to realize his vision without his guidance. The idea of running his city without him was just something they weren't comfortable with, so they simply opted not to even attempt it. In the end, they built Epcot as it is today to be a celebration of culture and technology, as opposed to trying to making a functioning city.
11:50 Why isn't EPCOT today following Walt's vision of being a place that pioneers new and exciting technology and solutions? It's no longer a "living blueprint of the future" 12:40 Why isn't EPCOT stimulating American industry to develop new solutions? I used to love seeing cutting edge technology and becoming inspired about what's on the horizon or far into the future. Instead they had exhibits about fire drills in the technology pavilion and "jib jab" type program at the end of Spaceship Earth. They need to go back to making technology and progress fun and exciting. There is so much potential that is being wasted and they're not following Walt's vision at all
Dennis Church Yes, details will of course change and the layout, but he was pretty clear the basic idea was innovation and discovery and that the park would never truly be finished. Today it has lost its sense of inspiring you for the future
Walt's plan was a vision in progress. Disneyland in Florida was always meant to exist Epcot was to be Walt's Crown Jewel. A visionary city. Even the existing Epcot of today has elements of the city. Well the city itself doesn't exist its influence is slowly coming into existing cities and new ones Heck Los Angeles now is so different now then it was 20 years ago especially with the much needed rail systems. San Diego City is a better example. In-fact it maybe ironic but the new movie coming out in 2015 called tomorrow land there is a city in the background of the teaser it may be progress city the city of tomorrow which means we will be seeing Walt's City re-imagined to our time.
Walt was a true leader and when he passed only Roy was left. Roy got the magic kingdom built and the surrounding hotels but he died right after the magic kingdom was opened. The magic kingdom was the last thing built from walts dream. The Florida project which was started and had many companies on board was no more after his death. The existing theme parks are nice but walts dream was about helping humanity as well as entertaining people. Too bad because if he was alive during the 70s and 80s you would have seen a tremendous influence in cities built today.
+maxpowers3732 After Walt passed away, the people at Disney decided it would be too much of an undertaking, to run a city and they found it was something they weren't interested in doing
Imagine locking Walt, Steve Jobs and Elon Musk in a conference room over the weekend... It's a shame we only seem to be entitled to one great visionary for each generation.
They could have created a fast Utopia where food shortage, poverity and homeless would not exist. But there are people these days that are focused on money and not the wellbeing of humanity(jews).
Being old, I am a sucker for late 1950s to mid 60's futurism. I wonder how Walt would have enhanced his plans to cope with digital technology. His responses would have been fascinating.
Thing is, places like EPCOT HAD been built before. They were called company towns, and they were awful. Look up Pullman Town, 1880. Imagine if your boss also charged you rent and built your roads and controlled every aspect of your life. Does that really sound like a good idea to you? You notice how no mention of municipal or democratic processes were made? No mention of voting. No mention of public services. What voice does the citizenry have in a city run entirely by a single corporation? Is the mayor just another company man? Would all police and firefighters be Disney payrollees as well? EPCOT would have been a city of employees, not citizens. A city where you have no right to elect your representatives, and any protest would be met by your Disney Imagineered riot squad and strike breakers. No thanks.
The opening of Disney World truly is one of the most bittersweet stories in Disney History. EPCOT and Disney World were Walt's last great dreams, and this film outlined exactly what he wanted to do. But less than two months after this film, he died of lung cancer. Walt's brother and business partner, Roy, willingly postponed his retirement to oversee the construction of Disney World, and after it was opened and dedicated in October 1971, Roy died two months later of a seizure.
If you stop and think, the whole Walt Disney World Complex could be considered an E.P.C.O.T... there's people living in there, people who work at the parks and hotels and they never leave the property. They use the Monorail as a transportation, etc. The WDW Complex is HUGE, it's basically a city of it's own!
hey that s right! now I feel a little better and all of us just by posting comments here, inspiring each other, somehow we're all part of the community too each time you buy a movie ticket or a toy or even a box of cereals, you help build the future of disney
The Reedy Creek Improvement District only has about five or eight residents tops, although I forget the actual number … and they’re only allowed residency status by the Disney Corporation so that they can perform certain ministerial duties, like filing paperwork and running the fire department, that sort of thing. I mean, it’s a nice idea and all, to think that people would live onsite and commute via monorail to their resort jobs … but the reality is that Disney’s Florida employees all drive in to the campus daily from surrounding Orlando, then return to their homes at night. Disney even divested their Celebration project from Reedy Creek entirely upon completion of the city and returned it to Osceola County, just so that Disney wouldn’t have to deal with Reedy Creek having residents. I personally love the idea-well, most of the idea, anyway-of a city designed in this mid-century modernist/futurist aesthetic … although projects like Brasilia seem to prove that radial design only works up to a point: mixed-use zoning makes for more vibrant neighborhoods, while segregating commercial sectors away from residential areas makes for rather sterile environments instead. And hiding away city services in a series of tunnels is pretty classist: why shouldn’t sanitation workers be seen and waved at by kids? And also, regarding the central district, it’d be difficult to enclose fifty acres in such a way that it felt neither claustrophobic nor like some dull mall-see Montreal’s RESO, for example, which avoids claustrophobia and which occasionally is even quite beautiful, but which overall alas doesn’t live up to the vision of some domed Xanadu, but rather resembles a large suburban shopping mall instead. But the general principal of a radial green-belt city built around pedestrian use is fantastic, having ample public transportation is ideal, weatherproofing some parts of downtown is eminently feasible, and the architecture shown in this film-that mid-century blend of brutalism, modernism, and minimalism-still seems inspiring and futuristic today. But maybe lose the single-family housing and instead build townhouses and low-rises, and have mixed-use zoning throughout the city rather than zoning commerce away from living areas, throw in a few mid-rises for greater density and maybe just one or two high-rises, and don’t try to hide city services from sight, and you’d have yourself a pretty great city to live in.
@@danopticon See. Never step in a project like this. You sound ideologically possessed by leftist ideas of “class” and urbanization. The same ideas that run city’s like New York and Detroit to the ground.
"Here it is, our perfect system. All white people." -Walt points to a picture of a crowd of people in his schematic- "There's a tan guy in the background, but that's where we're drawing the line."
They kind make me depressed, but only a little. I used to watch this stuff when I was young and just know that the future we are currently in would be bright and shiny. Lately... not so much. But I still have faith and hope, because when you wish upon a star...
Very interesting. I had not realized the original plan for EPCOT. At first when I watched this, I thought, how sad that this never came into being (because Walt died)... but then I thought about it more... This is a completely planned city where people live, work, worship, and their children go to school - and designed by Walt Disney himself! How wonderful! But therein lies the problem. The individual people have no control whatsoever. I checked… Walt Disney successfully petitioned the state legislature for full municipal legal jurisdiction over the land they had acquired because he didn’t want to have to fight anyone to do anything he liked. Disney was to decide the building codes. Disney handled all in-city transportation. Disney would handle sanitation and fire prevention and law enforcement. Disney designed every room and every outdoor park. Disney operated the schools. Probably Disney would authorize the churches. If there was a corporate contract with, say, Coca-Cola, then that is all there would be in the Disney grocery stores. Disney decided what the temperature and humidity would be in your house or apartment or in the closed interior “exteriors” of the center of the city. Disney was to own everything - all houses and apartments - even all furniture and all appliances. Interior decorating was to be done by the corporation. You might even come home to find your furniture switched or all of your kitchen appliances changed to whatever the corporation decided. And -- you would have had no input into how things might be done - Disney would be deciding that. No board or council elections - at least none that you had input on. No input at all. Perhaps they would have had a “suggestion box.” You worked for Disney -- or a Disney-authorized corporate partner -- and you paid rent to Disney. If you could not continue to work for Disney - maybe you got injured or maybe you got to be 65 or 70 years old - whatever the reason that you couldn’t contribute, you were out. You were exiled. And he imagined that this utopian city was to be a showplace prototype to export the same vision to cities all over the U.S. I love Walt Disney. However… visiting a completely constructed and artificial theme park for a few days is one thing, but is it a good idea to turn all decision-making and individualization over to one corporation/person? Of course, no one would be forced to live there -- and they could leave at any time… but could their children? And once one got used to it, would one forget the difference that freedom used to make - especially when everything was provided for you? Walt Disney would arguably have been benevolent dictator - but a dictator he would be. I believe that this design is actually called Fascism. Perhaps it is fortunate that it never came to fruition. Another of those ideas that seem great on paper… but…
It most certainly would have been a municipal dictatorship run by the Disney corporation. But if you look at it another way, not all of it would have been so bad. Walt Disney's vision wasn't so much as to be fascist ruler of some sorts, but more about spreading his ideas for unity, prosperity, and world peace with people of all races, cultures, and religions. That was Disney's true goal for the Epcot project.
That sounds more fact than fiction. We live in a world with massive regulations for food, employment, transport and income. And we vote, but for limited choices. But the rides and entertainment and junk food distract us from the hard structure.
This was also thought of during a time where america as a whole was looking for protection during the cold war and people seeked out that form of utopia because that was such a focus on every science fiction novel back then. I don't agree with this arguement about the original epcot being a dictatorship because I don't think it would have been controlled to that degree. keep in mind the way disney is now is like that due to theme park sponsorships and you need that kind of control over a theme park/resort. one would learn very quickly when it comes to a city that you just wouldn't be able to have that much control over a functioning, working city and maitain the disney values
Remember when Walt Disney gave us a HOPE and DREAM for our future? Now we are a nation and people with no hope and no more dreams. So as DISNEY is now dying our ONCE GREAT USA is also dying "....with vision the people parish....."!
I kinda wish they kept to the idea of using the PeopleMover as a transportation system around Disney World instead of just a ride. Think about it. Instead of having to wait for the bus, you could head up to the station, hop aboard a PeopleMover train, and voila! You're on your way!
Maybe back in the 1960s this wasn’t seen as such dystopian I’m unsure. Though I have to say very dystopian vibes here. He seemed to have his heart in the right place. This kind of city planning is quite amazing and truly innovative for the time. Personally for research and to be the template for cities of the future I’d be down for it. Sure some people who live there would get rid of certain freedom, but hey I don’t think people would care. Really a huge problem of today we are now in 2023 is this new push for electric cars. Cars in general in my eyes are very primitive. The auto and oil industry has lobbied so hard that public transportation will never be seen as the future for society in the United States. Public transportation is the future imagine quite cities because the trains, subways, busses all run electrically. I’m not against automobiles per se. I love the idea where I can drive anywhere whenever I want, but in the United States as it stands it not even a feasible option to try to go about your day using only public transport. Walt’s ideas truly I believe would have bettered the United States, but takes radically visionary people and money. Instead we have our billionaires caring about space and X. It will take more than our billionaires to get our cities to the future at least being the standard in the world of a “future city”.
some well written thoughts; however, not sure about your criticism of Elon. You bemoan EV's vs public transportation, but after decades if not a century of the auto and petroleum industry dismantlling public transportation except in Ameica's most dense cities.... you think American's who love individualism would give their gas atrocities to go directly into mass public transportation... no way. Elon's vision is for a transportation based on a renewable energy source....and his effort toward EV's AND solar power generation AND storage is logical and he still gets push back from Americans who resist changing thier fossil fuel dependence. what you are wishing/asking is even more extreme if presented to the "average" American. Elon's is spearheading movement where NO ONE ELSE was able, willing to go.... That Space X can do things cheaper than the mega corporations like Boeing/Lockheed is a testament to how innovative American individuals can be and is something that should be applauded...... Walt had big dreams more than an entertainment company.... but Elon is thinking on a global level, dealing with real issues that we face and have ignorantly avoided.
During the 60's and 70's there were many attempts at creating cities of the future. At first they were places were the middle class could live and thrive. But as time progressed most middle class people moved out of the cities - or to other parts of the country. Look at Brasilia in Brazil and Vällingby in Stockholm, Sweden. They are two cities, or communities, that do not differ that much in appearance and had similar aims as EPCOT; To be modern, self-sustained communities for the future. While the aim is admirable you will find that nobody ever goes to visit Vällingby or Brasilia (except diplomats in the latter case). The cities are drab, boring and uncultured. There is no room for freedom of expression or deviation from the norm. Another aspect of EPCOT was as a continuing experimental and testing ground for new products by the leading brands in the US. But even if General Electrics establishes a RnD and factory center at EPCOT, what happens when products start to be developed at an ever increased pace? The entire premise of EPCOT falls apart when appliances cannot be installed quickly enough before there's a new and better one on the market. Samsung released new products every year and it doesn't need EPCOT to test them out. Is Samsung going to produce roughly 10000 new TVs every year just to show off in EPCOT? Not likely.
@@loganjensen3252 It's just the end result of futurism because people often predict wrong what people in the future want so this stuff gets left behind.
Walt likely had a very high EQ (emotional quotient) ... Always pulling the best out of those around him. Getting people with different abilities to cooperate toward a common goal. He was always able to use corporate sponsorship monies to build his dreams and later, retain full use of these creations in his own parks. There is no shortage of dreamers in the world but some, like Walt, know and posses what it takes to bring their visions to fruition...that in itself is brilliance defined!
I went to see it 22 times!!!! I always went to see jurassic world the same day JUST FOR THE MONORAIL now I have both dvds and watch them all the time the problem of the tomorrowland is not that people didn t like it, it s that they didn t see it I ve never met anybody disappointed by it but tons who have never heard of it
+aadv123 Not the Disney "Executives" of today. Not one of them has the Imagination or understanding in which Walt had. The Exec's today are just a bunch of bean counters. Walt Disney Company is a shell of it's great past and achievements.
+NAVSPECWARCOM I believe that the company genuinely cares about putting out a great product to the public. Think of the last few animated films: incredible films that will go down in history. At the very least, it's not so cynical as Dreamworks Animation, whose films are not half as creative or heartfelt as Disney's worst effort.
Chase H. Other than the aspect of voting and government, it absolutely would work, and would be a solution to a lot of the issues we face right now, climate change and transportation being two huge things. But the governmental part ultimately was the biggest reason why no one wanted to try it after his death and instead turned the idea into another park.
It's so sad that Walt didn't live longer. He really had a passion and enthusiasm for every project he undertook whether it was Disneyland or a film. Now it seems like the Disney company is too concerned with money and politics and is losing its wonderful charm. After Walt died it went downhill. Things revived but now it looks like we're headed back into another Disney dark age
Gosh Walt would've been such a great man to hangout with. I grief upon his death. His idea of the future is so...words can't describe how creative Walt is. RIP Walt Disney
The executives who took over the Disney company claimed that they couldn't build EPCOT the way Walt himself envisioned because they all agreed that the original design wasn't practical (they didn't think a prototype community wouldn't make as much money as a theme park would.)
There was concern among the upper management of Disney at the time that the residents of EPCOT might not want to live under a microscope (not so sure that remains true today for most people in hindsight), and that there would be no unemployed permitted in the community (not sure that could be enforced legally today).
I love Walt! He wasn't a man looking to make money. He was a visionary! He wanted to make the world better. He thought about people, their experiences, and their happiness. I love the idea of the original EPCOT because it was a community where people could solve the problems of the day. Can you imagine what kind of inventions and solutions would have come out of there? Kids would have grown up in schools with the idea that they were going to change the world, and DIsney would have provided their education!! GAH!!! If only if only
The difference between Walt Disney, and the people of science and technology today, is that Walt wanted to make technology to better humanity not to take away our humanity.
yes and also the monorail song, and people mover song in those kinds of documentaries the less known alternative song "now is the time" was very good too "life is a price, live every minute"...how true!
You see this is the whole problem - by the time someone with brains and vision obtains the money needed to make real, dynamic, life altering changes their too old then say hello to what could have been.
The cities of Dubai and Masdar City in the United Arab Emirates along with the upcoming Cedar Island project in Lebanon use similar, if not the same, concepts that Walt created, along with the Venus Project. Additionally, other companies from across the globe are utilizing and developing many of the technologies and systems that Walt had envisioned.)
Epcot City would have been a mix of Utopia and Dystopia. Only Disney would have control over the Epcot Government and people wouldn't own the houses they buy. Yeah, sometimes Walt was an idiot.
some really nice ideas, I especially like that it was supposed to be centered around pedestrians and electrical transport systems. But it comes with a bitter taste, to watch utopian videos in a dystopian future xD
If he had lived another 20 years this might have happened. There is no possibility of it now, with current infrastructure and the state of the world. Celebration was the closest comparable thing and it definitely had it problems.
As a native Floridian, sure, EPCOT would've worked. Just look at Midgar of Final Fantasy 7. Just forget the sky is dark and black because of "slight" pollution, or that the guy in charge of draining from the people to keep the city running, or the fact there was a SHIT TON of slums, or secret deadly experiments COULD be happening at the center of the city. ...or that some guy MAY go nuts about the experiments and kill everyone, or some other angst-ridden guy will "try and defeat him.", and the tension between the two becomes sexual by fans which in turn makes those two more popular. You can make a religion out of this. ⛪
You can tell walt isn't an environmentalist LOL 'taking about building over an incomprehensible amount of land like it's nothing...... same thing with the ski resort......... he was out of control..... i wonder what he would of done after this project, because if he was immortal you just know he wouldnt quit after this,,,, maybe build in Antarctica ? i respect the guys hustle but our poor environment he was beating it to death lol
@@aprils376 OK fair enough. And I was only suggesting Disney+ because most people have no idea these types of old docs or TV specials even exist. On TH-cam you have to go looking for them or maybe get recommended by it which is how I found out this even existed. But on Disney+ they would all be in one place for people to explore. And I would just like to see more content focused on the parks in general there: especially older stuff.
+Jonathon Gillis This is the blueprint of every major city on the planet, what do you mean ? The only thing missing is the Disney world and the Dome, instead we have reality.
+Jonathon Gillis Among other things, NIMBYism. It's hard to even install bike lanes or do a road diet without having people scream bloody murder. Something as hugely top-down as this would require an absence of democratic influence on the planning process.
Walt had lung cancer while recording this and actually had to stop to have oxygen a number of times. He thought he was just tired, but months after was dead.
December 15, 1966- the date that will never be forgotten... Walt Elias Disney dies of respiratory failure
Very sad, really.
I wonder what it must have been like in an alternative timeline where Walt Disney took much better care of Himself and had Lived for an extra 20 years.
@@stephenlangsl67 I agree but these slimeballs running it after those 20 years still would have ruined it. Take a look at TH-cam videos of the 1964/65 NY Wolrds Fair. Take a look at the people attending and the way that they were dressed attending this public exhibition. A different time and a much better time.
@@joejohnson2478 especially the segregation and racism. Ahh yes, the good ole days…./s
This is a horrible idea... just plain horrible on all levels.On a practical level it is laughable, on an engineering level it is nonsense, powering the city would be impossible, but most importantly as an actual city to live in - it seems like hell. It's like a dystopian "city" ruled by a corporation, which then ruled one man or the biggest shareholders. I guess a planned society based off "free market principles" is better than other planned cities, for some inarticulable reason. A giant dome covering the main downtown area where "ideal" temperatures "protect" residence from the horrors of nature. Wow. How much energy would that cost? Everyday, artificial temperatures all day non--stop. Plus the high speed energy trains and low speed trams. Then the actual utilities, such lights. That is a lot of energy required. Where will that energy come from, and how much would it cost, and would it not be put to better use to service more than 20,000 people. The people mover trams are a waste of energy as well, and why must they be continuously moving? Its dangerous to get out of it, and not handicapped accessible. Coordination in this city is absurd. What if some people don't follow the rules? I mean it is hard enough to get people to stop at a light. But somehow the car drivers will just follow the "car only" section out of good will? What about a genuine mistake? It could destroy everything. I could go on but there are other issues even more pressing.
Florida, has low sea level. The swamps are basically water seeping through the ground. You can barely make a basement in Florida. Somehow this dystopia would have 3 underground rings, deep and strong enough to not cave from the weight of the giant dome city above? Also, what about the carbon emissions from the cars (running on petrol) and trucks (running on diesel)? Where do the toxic emission go? Vents? What kind of vents. . . they would have to be enormous as the tunnels underground go across the dome city area. A whiff of that entrance would kill you with all those cars driving. It is a suicide mission to drive through that tunnel.
This is just nonsense. It is pure fantasy and not even a good one at that. Tokyo, or Munich, or Paris or New York City... those are cities for human beings. This? This seems like the daydreams of a child on his way to becoming a cult leader. Am I the only one seeing this? Cause there more problems here than I mentioned. Horrible idea.
No, you're not the only one. I have no doubt Walt only had the best intentions at heart for this project, but human nature being what it is, things would have inevitably unravelled had the original EPCOT become a reality, especially when such power is exerted over people's everyday lives.
Its sad how walts original plan were abandoned after his death , if i was walt i would be pissed .
The top bosses abandoned the plan as they felt it was really no use continuing with epcot without Walt's guidance. They were kinda upset bout it but the original plan was based on 50's futurism. Updating it to suit changing standards of futurism would not really be financially feasible either. You have to see that factor as well. Sorry if this reply pisses u off
I believe that it's honestly better that it never happened that way... without, y'know.. Walt himself there to express his vision it wouldn't be the same as he envisioned it... never truly as he designed. One wish was kept though I believe, and that is that there still are aspects of both people coming together from all walks of life as a community with world showcase, and the effects of futurism with the other section of the park. So while it wasn't true to Walt's original design, I feel like they still kept his wishes in mind.
Yeah exactly. It really wouldn't have done justice to Walt's vision n genius
Yes, it would have been super cool if they could have built it just like Walt wanted, but the truth is, when they started doing costs analyses they discovered that it would be prohibitively expensive.
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JustWasted3HoursHere Exactly. They'll also have to lobby with the govt.
He nailed the flow of traffic on this one, why is the FLOW of traffic such a hard concept to grasp for individual drivers.
I think he passed away before this design materialized and that is why Orlando is such a perpetual dysfunctional mess of a metropolis to this day. Walt knew how big Disney would become but the city didnt plan for it
@@trandom2083 Agreed
It sure looks great but it seems like hell on earth for me. Everything is planned. It doesn't look like you can own anything. You share your backyard with all of your neighbors. There is place for nature, or agriculture, only gardens.
A visionary city, sure. Full of great ideas. But it seems a little bit too "planned" for me. no place to deviate from the plan
It was imagine for the demographics of 1950s America, not 2024's "post-America" population. A number of upper income suburbs of the era had more "connected" look to the yards and remarkably there was little crime
Visionaries are the rarest of humans. This project didn't happen because no one of Walt's caliber was around to push it through.
Father Time and the price tag on this would be more than Disney was and is worth even today
Or the fact it was just a terrible, inhuman idea.
How is it inhuman
@@vallytinehow is it inhuman if people are not forced to live there?
@@arthurzetesartificial scarcity
I so wish Walt could have lived long enough to complete this. Only Walt had the creative thinking to see this process through.
+Carson J. I could do it. I just don't have any fight left in me to get rich.
bio2020 haha same!!
+bio2020 what exactly is your career
Maybe, just maybe, someone like Elon Musk or another Steve Jobs could bend their minds in this direction, and finally complete Walt's dream of a community of tomorrow.
I wish Steve Jobs built an "Apple World" taken from Walt's ideas. 2 of the greatest men in the world. May they rest in peace
Man I could sit here and listen to Walt speak all day. You can truly sense his enthusiasm in everything he talks about. I really wish he could've lived longer...
If he hasn't smoked that much....
People didnt know smoking was bad then :(
Gamer Co.29 I know....:(
Brent Fitzgerald Me too.
+Brent Fitzgerald Walt is the reason that I will never smoke.
A very grand dream - this man was a true creator, builder, visioneer, and futurist. One of the truest this world has ever seen. Sadly, when he died, no one picked up that same spirit - not only the EPCOT vision, but Walt's entire way of seeing the world and his eager, even joyful drive to improve it. I enjoyed Epcot Center as a kid (probably more then than I would now, seeing as it was at least more educational and innovative then).... and I like quite a few Disney movies even today. But the Disney company today is nothing, in spirit, like what Walt meant it to be. Walt Disney was an entertainer yes - but he was also so much more than that. More than most people will ever know.
EPCOT is still educational... There's still Spaceship Earth, Living with the Land, Journey into Imagination and the World Showcase. Spaceship Earth teaches science and history, Living with the Land teaches business in agriculture, Journey into Imagination shows guests ways to imagine and the World Showcase can be very educational about different cultures.
The problem is people don't want to be educated anymore, they want explosions and virtual reality rides. Every time I go to Disneyland I go to the Great Moments with Lincoln show. There are always no more than 6 people in there with me. We have been groomed to seek instant and intense stimuli. Disney is only providing what is in demand.
I would like to be that Futurist..
actly, i think elon will try that in a few years..
The problem with the Epcot city is that it never accounted for the freedom of the people living there and a stable government
Can't believe that some people would ever put immediate profit over long-term productivity and proper vision. EPCOT's failure is arguably the greatest tragedy of the free market incentive or rather, the failure of man to see beyond his immediate interests. I've no doubt that ECPOT the city would be more profitable and more significant had Walt lived. No new attractions can save it right now, for all of Bob Iger's hard work, sadly.
Epcot is a bad idea because making a town is much much bigger than a town
Looks like Iron Man 2 took cues from this.
Yes they did, actually. :)
oh I m so glad somebody noticed
and the song is by the shermans
maake way for tomorrow today, such a good song
can already hear it in the first catain america, if you listen carefully
THATS WHY IM HERE MY BRO SAID THAT I WAS LYING
I gotta make an EPCOT mod for Cities: Skylines when I get the time. The people mover and underground traffic system would be epic.
k98killer Hows it coming along?
ThatEccentricguy Haven't had time to play any games recently. Crunch time with my current dev project. My free time is mostly spent getting up in the morning and going to bed at night. It'll be a few months at least.
+k98killer How many months is "a few"?
TheInsaneGamer Good question. I just got money the first time in "a few" months (startup life sux), so I'll consider buying this game now. I'll have to play it for a while before I decide to make a mod.
k98killer Cool
Damn Walt, I wish you were still here to take this company back again
Me too. This is NOT your vision.
If only he was back
@@corporaliron6820 Agreed, along with Alex Trebek and many others.
His nephew Roy junior left the company prematurely because it was being run so poorly
Why is Walt Disney's voice so relaxing?
AdrenalineAddict610 Or Telling you about the moles on his ass,,, you'd still be hypnotized.
Jesse Kimball I know he's like almost like a good grandfather who loves you more than anything and gives you a bunch of toys and candy as a child but he died too early.
He could have been telling you how he murdered your family slowly with a butter knife and you'd be unable to get upset with him.
Jesse Kimball you do realize that this was taken was taken 1 and a half months before he was gonna die
Hmm?
All I see in Epcot is a copy of what’s already over our heads and a city where it’s residents are stuck doing mediocre jobs, living mediocre lives while Walt and company get richer and richer. Kind of Disgusting 🤮
I watch this and just see a potential plot for a new Bioshock game. :D
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Mind blown. Why am I only learning about this now? This is serious inspiration to my own ideas for urban planning.
you should read up on Dyson's plans and the logic behind the "Dymaxion" home.
Mobotropolis can become real!
The People Mover and Monorail system were so far ahead of their time that today's transportation STILL hasn't caught up 60 years later. We use the same archaic bus system in every city instead of taking transportation above-ground and making it electric. Even the modern street cars and rail systems hold up traffic, cause accidents and create even more carbon emissions (from stopped traffic). Uncle Walt was a man way ahead of his time. It's a shame he didn't live for another 20 years.
yeah it is a cool system but for people mover or monorail systems you would have to spend more money because the tracks and other stuff because the way they are built. that is the reason why you mainly find them only in parks or at airports to get from one terminal to the other.
Monorails may INITIALLY cost more, but after the FIRST motor vehicle or pedestrian accident with a light rail train & someone gets KILLED - and that HAPPENS - the savings in $$$ will not seem like such a big deal....
For the Most part Monorails are essentially the same thing as tram systems such as the ones in San Diego California. except its off the ground and doesn't require a conventional track relying more on a magnetic or roller type system to aid in its mobility. They tend to be much quieter and don't have stuff like electrical lines over the train or using gas engines. You can also essentially build one without doing too much area damage. As the raised track allows you to build pretty much anywhere. That in itself is a worthwhile investment. Also because of the raised tracks you can avoid obstacles that normally would be a danger to trains such as other vehicles or pedestrians this in turn allows the Monorail to pace along at a faster speed knowing there is little danger to it. Well expensive it would probably be accepted as a worth while form of transportation for many people seeking to reach there jobs from the suburbs to the inner city or to bypass traffic to say the beach. there is lots of potential for a monorail system. Its a shame such a tech could never enter the current US transportation system due to the political unrest
there are few Los Vegas hotels in the strip that used the people mover and monorail system. so it not just airports.
Molasar So much yes in this comment. Agree 100%
The monorail and peoplemover systems being implemented in large cities would drastically reduce carbon output from vehicles. Throw not necessarily full vegetarianism but cutting down on cattle consumption and the world might actually be saved from the current climate change literal meltdown that’s getting out of control.
The final version of Epcot became a theme park that promotes science, tecnology, and geography. I dont have a problem with that. But still, this idea for a futuristic city sounds awsome. I still think Disney should bring this idea back and rename it. But I know that rent would be too expensive for nearly anyone to live there.
+Andrew Asaro I keep hoping Google's R&D (now Alphabet Inc.) will try something like this using today's technology to try and solve today's problems.
I still like EPCOT the way it is, it s all we have, it s better than nothing
actually I liked it better in the 80's than now, with all those sherman songs and that eerie atmosphere
It’s called Tomorrowland
THOSE MUSICS STILL GIVE ME GOOSEBUMPS
can still be heard sometimes in waiting lines, that s why I hate fastpass
The entire Disney executive board does not have the creative intuition that wall had
Biggest two issues are: prioritizing major companies interests over regular citizen rights, and by definition being a autocratic / dictatorship that’d by every measure make Walt a king of Epcot. Innovative urban planning but this would be a terrifying world to live in
Andrew Ryan proposes the idea of the city of Rapture (1945)
I love Walt Disney, he was a great man. It's a shame that he needed an oxygen mask between takes in this presentation, since he was suffering from the ravage of lung cancer.
+JeffGR4 he was a huge anti-semite
+Elena G He was right, too.
+Zac Miller Many people in the US were anti semites at that time, just because the Nazis were also anti-semites doesnt mean anyone who supports the US was a pro-semite. Also we can admire Walt Disneys creativity and brilliance while also denouncing his bigotry at the same time.
+JeffGR4 Yeah, and now we have a completely different Epcot. But its OK, because we have Walt inside of us.
+Elena G I don't think there's much evidence he was an antisemite. I'm pretty sure that's just another one those things people believe because the claim was widely circulated. Now you could make a case that he was racially insensitive as a great deal of people were at the time, but that doesn't make him antisemitic or a racist (another circulated claim). It doesn't really make sense to hold the past to the standards of the present.
Starting at 1:22, the video repeats for about one minute. Needs to be fixed...
It was so seamless, I didn't even realize it was looping for a few moments. Lol
I think this is all amazing, and I think if Walt could've seen his vision through, it would've been one of the most amazing feats in human history. But even today, I think it just demonstrates the insane power of the Walt Disney Corporation. Because not only did they buy all that land, they lobbied in Florida to the point where they were granted full administrative and bureaucratic control of that land. Which is insane to think that a multi media conglomerate also acts as a full municipal government.
Actually thats what Walt wanted. He wanted his company to have control of the land. He said so somewhere in the beginning of this presentation. So get off your high horse. We need an Elon Musk type to ‘twitter’ the Reedy Creek corp. and make Walts dream a reality.
@@dwightk.schruteiii8454 Walt made Florida what it is today for those who live there..not to have someone come and take it all from them. If they can do that to Disney then they can do it to any city. Most think Disney is just an amusement park. It's not. It is a legal municipality.
@@FinarfinNoldorin Thats a violation of law and securities fraud. The bonds issued to RCID all mandate a disclosure that the bond is public use only and that RCID and Walt Disney are separate entities.
Its amusing to see people openly defend a major mega corporation illegally usurping government power from a state government. Like thats not a dystopian horror flick come to life. But, the marriage of police power and profit is a central tenet of the left's vision so it makes sense.
@@FinarfinNoldorin Problem is... the current Walt Disney company leaders, abdicated Walt's promises to Florida. this is why Florida did what it did. Disney co chose not to live up to their end of the bargain, so the bargain is void.
Disney Parks were definitely better then. I mean, I still love them, but just too commercialized and expensive.
Ulysses North well you used to have to pay per ride, the higher cost of a full day ticket is basically eating the cost of each ride that you’d pay for anyway. Surely over three days I would have spent well over two hundred dollars if I had to pay per each ride I wanted to ride. Or you know, the amount that would be relative to today’s $200 lol
They were always commercialized and expensive, this is literally just an advertisement.
It's likely the other parks would have been made eventually. As for the money issue. Blame the late 70s and 80s when someone thought it was a great idea to introduce trickle down economy and fuck over the middle class
It's an interesting concept. The big issue would be expansion. If you box in the city center like that, it would be hard to expand. You'd only be able to build residential areas outside. Obviously they decided to not go through with this but visiting EPCOT at Disney World is awesome. Been there many times.
I think Walt's idea is to just... build another city. there's an economy of scale aspect to city planning. a 30 minute or less commute to work is great, but if the plan gets expanded like you suggest... suddenly it's... more. This is why NYC is functionally 5 different cities adjacent to each other. working in Manhattan would be very awkward to live outside it.
@@marhawkman303very good point, and good analogy with the boroughs
To bad EPCOT was never built the way Walt envisioned. It's been reduced into a commercial amusement park.
At least the Disney short film festival has a short designed like on of walt's shorts I guess.
+cancerman50 that has nothing to do with EPCOt
+cancerman50 I've lived there before. Not really any different than any other area around here.
Everything Cool so was Mickey Mouse......Snow White and Disneyland. I don't think so man.
Walt was CRAZY MAD SCIENTIST of the animation world. His ideas ALWAYS were insane to everyone else.
I am Walt Disney, and I'm here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
Oh boy did you just win at the comments for today
Andrew Ryan?
Just imagine if Walt Disney had today's technology, the original Epcot might have actually happened. He was such a visionary and so ahead of his time!
You REALLY want another company town?
@@jeffreygao3956at his time. It could've work.
No, company towns are just a bad idea in general.
all of that just to exploit workers yayyy
he was from spain and not from chicago, search mojacar almeria thats his real birthplace
EPCOT could be a great setting for the next Kingdom Hearts game just so the player could explore the vision that was Disney's original idea.
That's a great concept. I would definitely be on board if they implemented the parks into the Kingdom Hearts games.
Walt, sir, you were way ahead of the times. You deserve to be honored. :)
Imagine if he could see this place today? I saw people from around the world crazy
@@διαβόητο23φάντασμα Agreed
Almost 50 years later and there is nothing like this
ceecoursian Well, Disney built a smaller controlled society called Celebration, Florida.
Masdar City is a similar project like EPCOT and being build.
Celebration is different. The only thing linking both projects is the goal of Disney to build a community.
I guess that Brasilia (in Brazil) got close to the look of Epcot
ceecoursian There are many cities around the world that are always pushing the limit. For example, a new city in the United Arab Emirates will be carbon free. Other cities push the bar on efficiency, or transportation.
Walt may not have gotten his true EPCOT that he wanted, but Celebration is a town near if not on Disney property (I live just a few miles from Kissimmee and there have always been back and forth rumors about how much of Kissimmee Disney actually owns) Celebration is a small town, with a town square where people can shop and eat and hold festivals, and then there are the houses and apartments surrounding it. There are even schools, a hospital, libraries, and churches inside this community. All just about 5-10 minutes away from the gates to one of the parks. It's pretty creepy if you ask me, every time I go out there for something it just seems too perfect.
Payton Harvey Celebration was built by the Walt Disney Company
The way you describe it reminds me of a movie I saw called Pleasantville with Toby Maguire in it
Celebration reminds me of Hampstead in Montgomery Al. Super creepy. It's really "perfect" and when you drive through it, it feels like you are on a movie set. A bit like the TV show "The Gates".
Celebration isn't a typical community. Not only is living there outrageously expensive, but you must sign contracts and agreements that make a typical homeowner's association look like your best friend. They regulate everything and have extremely high standards. That is why everything looks perfect there, it is because it IS perfect. They force it to be perfect. Anyone who violates their rules are fined or removed.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, and obviously the people who live there want to live in a perfect community and are willing to follow those rules when they move in, but that is why it is the way it is.
So can you enjoy non-Disney stuff there?
I understand that Disney was a flawed man, but I can't help but think the child-like enthusiasm he had for our future as a species is such a breath of fresh air in 2021. It feels like we've regressed so far from these admirable dreams
Because we’ve become increasingly reliant on our government. We wanted security and safety at all cost. And well we got what we wished for.
Search Ross Perot balancing the budget. He had a lot of similar ideas as Walt. I wouldn’t be surprised if they at one point was one the businessmen Walt talked to
@@dwightk.schruteiii8454 Not to mention every moron has a voice now on the internet. Dissent and stupidity is much easier to propagate and infect the minds of the youth than it was before.
Walt Hitler
@@silentsmilez503 Joseph Stalin
If Walt was alive today and Steve Jobs too, imagine the things they could've done. Epcot City and Disney World would've been way better.
Presignify except Epcot isn't a city it's a theme park. Epcot in theory is good but in reality Disney would control every aspect of your life
Presignify yeah. Steve could've put his Macintosh into Innoventions
Presignify steve jobs mever actually did shit.
well the point was for you to live under a microscope, they control everything because its an experiment that would have been constantly ongoing. Any time you join an experiment of this magnitude you sign away your liberties to some degree or even totality, look at NASA astronaut's while in training and during physiological effects experiments in orbit. You would know this going in, if its not your thing don't sign up - i know i wouldn't lol. Stop trying to make Walt out to be big brother.
add Elon to that... Walt's concepts on the use of electricity throughout his projects would have made them best imagineer buddies.
A comment I read from this video said:
"I could listen to Walt Disney explaining his plan for World Domination and I will still support it. He's that good."
I couldn't agree more. XD
Oh but you did lol
If I was ever able to design a city, I'd take a LOT of inspiration from this.
Fascist
Me too
@@thebrinksf69 yeah, form follows function.... laid out in brick and concrete.
Of course if function changes... then you might have a problem.
Wish it had been built, a very attractive alternative to the urban sprawl that has created car dependency, pollution, and congestion.
Disney Springs is basically car free shopping and entertainment with parking structures on the outside. Cars in this idea are simply moving underground with a Disney Springs in the center. A few towns will have days when you can't drive the car through the town. Even in the US you see this for Farmers Markets or Street Events where the roads are blocked off and used only for people. That is something that can be requested locally and you can help make happen. Even malls are sometimes built so you only need a car or bus ticket to get there and not to move store to store. One issue that he saw was weather, we are often car dependent because of weather yet covered walkways and sky walks are a simple enough solution that city planners ignore.
Yeah. It's a shame this never came to fruition. It would have been wonderful. When I was 11-years-old, in 1967, I sent to WED for a form that would include you in a lottery that was going to be held to pick the residents of EPCOT. Sadly, nothing ever came of it and I don't think the lottery was ever held. Unfortunately, I no longer have the paperwork. I wish I did. It would be cool to look at it after all these years. The dream pretty much died with Walt when he passed away at the very end of 1966. He was a true visionary.
Ryan rogerson It's absolutely true. As far as the excitement of the time goes, well, "traditional" American culture was starting to crumble and a lot of weirdness was becoming apparent--drug use, Hippies and the whole counter-culture, etc. It really wasn't that great. If I had a choice I wouldn't pick the mid to late '60's to grow-up in again. Though it was still better than it is now, in my opinion.
Thank God, that some people didn't forgot this projekt, and it didn't sink entirely with Walt Disney, after his death. It's a shame, that it's only a theme park now, but the Venus Projekt carries on this magnificent, and useful idea of tomorrow. Maybe some day, somebody will complete his vision. I would like to live in a community like this. :)
Epcot definitely would have failed but Disney deserved to get to the point where it could fail. He was so passionate and did it not only so people would remember him but because he genuinely wanted to better society. He was flawed but his heart is usually in the right place.
Even tho the city would have been VERY creepy, this guy alone basically fixed half of major city problems
Glad this didnt happen. Holy shit what a dystopia
With Walt's death came the death of any ideas and control over the Florida Project Walt had. His brother Roy made sure that Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom already started was completed. It opened in October 1971 and in December of the same year, Roy died as well. With the two oldest members of the Walt Disney Company gone the grand plan described in the film for Florida went with them.
This would have made a big difference where I live. The airport and industrial park would have brought more jobs and tax dollars to Osceola County, but as the future plans changed all the major projects were kept in Orange County and only Celebration (where the airport would have been) and ESPN's Wide World of Sports is in Osceola County. cars and busses are the main mode of transportation, and the electric monorail and people mover are just rides within the Seven Seas Lagoon area and the extension to EPCOT (Erased Planned Community of Tomorrow).
Agreed
To all those begrudging what Epcot is today; after Walt Disney's passing, the company was uneasy attempting to realize his vision without his guidance. The idea of running his city without him was just something they weren't comfortable with, so they simply opted not to even attempt it. In the end, they built Epcot as it is today to be a celebration of culture and technology, as opposed to trying to making a functioning city.
11:50
Why isn't EPCOT today following Walt's vision of being a place that pioneers new and exciting technology and solutions? It's no longer a "living blueprint of the future"
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Why isn't EPCOT stimulating American industry to develop new solutions?
I used to love seeing cutting edge technology and becoming inspired about what's on the horizon or far into the future. Instead they had exhibits about fire drills in the technology pavilion and "jib jab" type program at the end of Spaceship Earth. They need to go back to making technology and progress fun and exciting. There is so much potential that is being wasted and they're not following Walt's vision at all
He said early on that this is just a rough sketch. Plans will likely change many times before it was made real.
Dennis Church Yes, details will of course change and the layout, but he was pretty clear the basic idea was innovation and discovery and that the park would never truly be finished. Today it has lost its sense of inspiring you for the future
Walt's plan was a vision in progress. Disneyland in Florida was always meant to exist Epcot was to be Walt's Crown Jewel. A visionary city. Even the existing Epcot of today has elements of the city. Well the city itself doesn't exist its influence is slowly coming into existing cities and new ones Heck Los Angeles now is so different now then it was 20 years ago especially with the much needed rail systems. San Diego City is a better example. In-fact it maybe ironic but the new movie coming out in 2015 called tomorrow land there is a city in the background of the teaser it may be progress city the city of tomorrow which means we will be seeing Walt's City re-imagined to our time.
Walt was a true leader and when he passed only Roy was left. Roy got the magic kingdom built and the surrounding hotels but he died right after the magic kingdom was opened. The magic kingdom was the last thing built from walts dream. The Florida project which was started and had many companies on board was no more after his death. The existing theme parks are nice but walts dream was about helping humanity as well as entertaining people. Too bad because if he was alive during the 70s and 80s you would have seen a tremendous influence in cities built today.
+maxpowers3732 After Walt passed away, the people at Disney decided it would be too much of an undertaking, to run a city and they found it was something they weren't interested in doing
Imagine locking Walt, Steve Jobs and Elon Musk in a conference room over the weekend... It's a shame we only seem to be entitled to one great visionary for each generation.
They could have created a fast Utopia where food shortage, poverity and homeless would not exist. But there are people these days that are focused on money and not the wellbeing of humanity(jews).
Walt and Steve Jobs for sure.
Walt was like the Elon musk of the 60’s just an amazing visionary. If he just lived 10 more years I’m sure this would be a reality today.
And Steve Jobs, Sigeru Miyamoto and others.
Being old, I am a sucker for late 1950s to mid 60's futurism. I wonder how Walt would have enhanced his plans to cope with digital technology. His responses would have been fascinating.
On this map you can see earth crater
Old enough to have battled Minutemen and seen Britannia rule the waves?
Too bad the Disney family got greedy after Walt died. This could have been great.
Thing is, places like EPCOT HAD been built before. They were called company towns, and they were awful. Look up Pullman Town, 1880. Imagine if your boss also charged you rent and built your roads and controlled every aspect of your life. Does that really sound like a good idea to you?
You notice how no mention of municipal or democratic processes were made? No mention of voting. No mention of public services. What voice does the citizenry have in a city run entirely by a single corporation? Is the mayor just another company man? Would all police and firefighters be Disney payrollees as well?
EPCOT would have been a city of employees, not citizens. A city where you have no right to elect your representatives, and any protest would be met by your Disney Imagineered riot squad and strike breakers. No thanks.
The opening of Disney World truly is one of the most bittersweet stories in Disney History.
EPCOT and Disney World were Walt's last great dreams, and this film outlined exactly what he wanted to do. But less than two months after this film, he died of lung cancer. Walt's brother and business partner, Roy, willingly postponed his retirement to oversee the construction of Disney World, and after it was opened and dedicated in October 1971, Roy died two months later of a seizure.
He's now friends with Jim Henson and Alex Trebek.
If you stop and think, the whole Walt Disney World Complex could be considered an E.P.C.O.T... there's people living in there, people who work at the parks and hotels and they never leave the property. They use the Monorail as a transportation, etc.
The WDW Complex is HUGE, it's basically a city of it's own!
hey that s right! now I feel a little better
and all of us just by posting comments here, inspiring each other, somehow we're all part of the community too
each time you buy a movie ticket or a toy or even a box of cereals, you help build the future of disney
The Reedy Creek Improvement District only has about five or eight residents tops, although I forget the actual number … and they’re only allowed residency status by the Disney Corporation so that they can perform certain ministerial duties, like filing paperwork and running the fire department, that sort of thing. I mean, it’s a nice idea and all, to think that people would live onsite and commute via monorail to their resort jobs … but the reality is that Disney’s Florida employees all drive in to the campus daily from surrounding Orlando, then return to their homes at night. Disney even divested their Celebration project from Reedy Creek entirely upon completion of the city and returned it to Osceola County, just so that Disney wouldn’t have to deal with Reedy Creek having residents.
I personally love the idea-well, most of the idea, anyway-of a city designed in this mid-century modernist/futurist aesthetic … although projects like Brasilia seem to prove that radial design only works up to a point: mixed-use zoning makes for more vibrant neighborhoods, while segregating commercial sectors away from residential areas makes for rather sterile environments instead. And hiding away city services in a series of tunnels is pretty classist: why shouldn’t sanitation workers be seen and waved at by kids? And also, regarding the central district, it’d be difficult to enclose fifty acres in such a way that it felt neither claustrophobic nor like some dull mall-see Montreal’s RESO, for example, which avoids claustrophobia and which occasionally is even quite beautiful, but which overall alas doesn’t live up to the vision of some domed Xanadu, but rather resembles a large suburban shopping mall instead.
But the general principal of a radial green-belt city built around pedestrian use is fantastic, having ample public transportation is ideal, weatherproofing some parts of downtown is eminently feasible, and the architecture shown in this film-that mid-century blend of brutalism, modernism, and minimalism-still seems inspiring and futuristic today. But maybe lose the single-family housing and instead build townhouses and low-rises, and have mixed-use zoning throughout the city rather than zoning commerce away from living areas, throw in a few mid-rises for greater density and maybe just one or two high-rises, and don’t try to hide city services from sight, and you’d have yourself a pretty great city to live in.
@@danopticon See. Never step in a project like this. You sound ideologically possessed by leftist ideas of “class” and urbanization. The same ideas that run city’s like New York and Detroit to the ground.
I could watch these videos all day...I don't think there is an adjective worthy enough of explaining how great Walt was.
+NothingTo DoCrew He was magnatificent
Well, isn't it obvious? If you don't know what to say, then clearly he is supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!
"Here it is, our perfect system. All white people."
-Walt points to a picture of a crowd of people in his schematic-
"There's a tan guy in the background, but that's where we're drawing the line."
They kind make me depressed, but only a little. I used to watch this stuff when I was young and just know that the future we are currently in would be bright and shiny. Lately... not so much. But I still have faith and hope, because when you wish upon a star...
i know what you mean (and i am now an engineer at one of the big three). It seems like nobody dreams big anymore. Everybody is turning into a robot
Clips and videos like this are 1 of my top reasons for Loving TH-cam. Totally enjoyed this TY for finding and sharing this greatness
it was one of my top reasons for getting a computer at all!
Very interesting. I had not realized the original plan for EPCOT. At first when I watched this, I thought, how sad that this never came into being (because Walt died)... but then I thought about it more...
This is a completely planned city where people live, work, worship, and their children go to school - and designed by Walt Disney himself! How wonderful! But therein lies the problem.
The individual people have no control whatsoever. I checked… Walt Disney successfully petitioned the state legislature for full municipal legal jurisdiction over the land they had acquired because he didn’t want to have to fight anyone to do anything he liked.
Disney was to decide the building codes. Disney handled all in-city transportation. Disney would handle sanitation and fire prevention and law enforcement. Disney designed every room and every outdoor park. Disney operated the schools. Probably Disney would authorize the churches. If there was a corporate contract with, say, Coca-Cola, then that is all there would be in the Disney grocery stores. Disney decided what the temperature and humidity would be in your house or apartment or in the closed interior “exteriors” of the center of the city.
Disney was to own everything - all houses and apartments - even all furniture and all appliances. Interior decorating was to be done by the corporation. You might even come home to find your furniture switched or all of your kitchen appliances changed to whatever the corporation decided.
And -- you would have had no input into how things might be done - Disney would be deciding that. No board or council elections - at least none that you had input on. No input at all. Perhaps they would have had a “suggestion box.”
You worked for Disney -- or a Disney-authorized corporate partner -- and you paid rent to Disney. If you could not continue to work for Disney - maybe you got injured or maybe you got to be 65 or 70 years old - whatever the reason that you couldn’t contribute, you were out. You were exiled.
And he imagined that this utopian city was to be a showplace prototype to export the same vision to cities all over the U.S.
I love Walt Disney. However… visiting a completely constructed and artificial theme park for a few days is one thing, but is it a good idea to turn all decision-making and individualization over to one corporation/person?
Of course, no one would be forced to live there -- and they could leave at any time… but could their children? And once one got used to it, would one forget the difference that freedom used to make - especially when everything was provided for you?
Walt Disney would arguably have been benevolent dictator - but a dictator he would be.
I believe that this design is actually called Fascism.
Perhaps it is fortunate that it never came to fruition. Another of those ideas that seem great on paper… but…
A thoughtful response. Monopoly.
It most certainly would have been a municipal dictatorship run by the Disney corporation. But if you look at it another way, not all of it would have been so bad. Walt Disney's vision wasn't so much as to be fascist ruler of some sorts, but more about spreading his ideas for unity, prosperity, and world peace with people of all races, cultures, and religions. That was Disney's true goal for the Epcot project.
That sounds more fact than fiction. We live in a world with massive regulations for food, employment, transport and income. And we vote, but for limited choices. But the rides and entertainment and junk food distract us from the hard structure.
This was also thought of during a time where america as a whole was looking for protection during the cold war and people seeked out that form of utopia because that was such a focus on every science fiction novel back then. I don't agree with this arguement about the original epcot being a dictatorship because I don't think it would have been controlled to that degree. keep in mind the way disney is now is like that due to theme park sponsorships and you need that kind of control over a theme park/resort. one would learn very quickly when it comes to a city that you just wouldn't be able to have that much control over a functioning, working city and maitain the disney values
Hell called Disney!
Remember when Walt Disney gave us a HOPE and DREAM for our future? Now we are a nation and people with no hope and no more dreams. So as DISNEY is now dying our ONCE GREAT USA is also dying "....with vision the people parish....."!
I kinda wish they kept to the idea of using the PeopleMover as a transportation system around Disney World instead of just a ride.
Think about it.
Instead of having to wait for the bus, you could head up to the station, hop aboard a PeopleMover train, and voila! You're on your way!
I am thankful that Walt Disney existed and gave us all of this.
Even though he is gone, his spirit lives on
Amen. RIP Walt. May you forever watch over your kingdom from above.
EPCOT could have been a big city. The big city of the future. Walt Disney was a genius and a visionary man. 👍👏
We can still build it. We just gotta put it somewhere else.
Maybe back in the 1960s this wasn’t seen as such dystopian I’m unsure. Though I have to say very dystopian vibes here. He seemed to have his heart in the right place. This kind of city planning is quite amazing and truly innovative for the time. Personally for research and to be the template for cities of the future I’d be down for it. Sure some people who live there would get rid of certain freedom, but hey I don’t think people would care. Really a huge problem of today we are now in 2023 is this new push for electric cars. Cars in general in my eyes are very primitive. The auto and oil industry has lobbied so hard that public transportation will never be seen as the future for society in the United States. Public transportation is the future imagine quite cities because the trains, subways, busses all run electrically. I’m not against automobiles per se. I love the idea where I can drive anywhere whenever I want, but in the United States as it stands it not even a feasible option to try to go about your day using only public transport. Walt’s ideas truly I believe would have bettered the United States, but takes radically visionary people and money. Instead we have our billionaires caring about space and X. It will take more than our billionaires to get our cities to the future at least being the standard in the world of a “future city”.
some well written thoughts; however, not sure about your criticism of Elon. You bemoan EV's vs public transportation, but after decades if not a century of the auto and petroleum industry dismantlling public transportation except in Ameica's most dense cities.... you think American's who love individualism would give their gas atrocities to go directly into mass public transportation... no way. Elon's vision is for a transportation based on a renewable energy source....and his effort toward EV's AND solar power generation AND storage is logical and he still gets push back from Americans who resist changing thier fossil fuel dependence. what you are wishing/asking is even more extreme if presented to the "average" American. Elon's is spearheading movement where NO ONE ELSE was able, willing to go.... That Space X can do things cheaper than the mega corporations like Boeing/Lockheed is a testament to how innovative American individuals can be and is something that should be applauded...... Walt had big dreams more than an entertainment company.... but Elon is thinking on a global level, dealing with real issues that we face and have ignorantly avoided.
During the 60's and 70's there were many attempts at creating cities of the future. At first they were places were the middle class could live and thrive. But as time progressed most middle class people moved out of the cities - or to other parts of the country.
Look at Brasilia in Brazil and Vällingby in Stockholm, Sweden. They are two cities, or communities, that do not differ that much in appearance and had similar aims as EPCOT; To be modern, self-sustained communities for the future. While the aim is admirable you will find that nobody ever goes to visit Vällingby or Brasilia (except diplomats in the latter case). The cities are drab, boring and uncultured. There is no room for freedom of expression or deviation from the norm.
Another aspect of EPCOT was as a continuing experimental and testing ground for new products by the leading brands in the US. But even if General Electrics establishes a RnD and factory center at EPCOT, what happens when products start to be developed at an ever increased pace? The entire premise of EPCOT falls apart when appliances cannot be installed quickly enough before there's a new and better one on the market. Samsung released new products every year and it doesn't need EPCOT to test them out. Is Samsung going to produce roughly 10000 new TVs every year just to show off in EPCOT? Not likely.
This shit hella creepy
@@loganjensen3252 It's just the end result of futurism because people often predict wrong what people in the future want so this stuff gets left behind.
Imagine what Walt could have done with a few more years. Amazing.
In this map you can see earth crater
@@newearth3057 earth crater?
The parks would be very different.
Starr park?!
Walt was so eaten up by cancer at this point, it's amazing he pulled this off. Good job, Walt!
Walt Disney was way before his time....
way ahead of his time...
still is. they probably won't catch up to him. how they've ruined what he built!
With a vision this grand and vast, this would have wound up as either one of two ways:
The Jetsons... or Bioshock.
It became something in between
Is the map of earth crater
This was not built. Which is why Florida took Reedy Creek back.
This was a promise to get Reedy Creek.
50 years later and Epcot is getting Moana and Guardians of the Galaxy... 😑
Walt likely had a very high EQ (emotional quotient) ... Always pulling the best out of those around him. Getting people with different abilities to cooperate toward a common goal. He was always able to use corporate sponsorship monies to build his dreams and later, retain full use of these creations in his own parks. There is no shortage of dreamers in the world but some, like Walt, know and posses what it takes to bring their visions to fruition...that in itself is brilliance defined!
We need more dreamers.
Dreamers like Walt Disney who can hold on to their dreams n materialise them in the face of ridicule #respect
That is what Tomorrowland movie is about
lol and we seen how that turned out lol Disney death squads....
I just dig this old-timey, golden age of the American dream music so much!
If you want an idea of what Walt envisioned for EPCOT, go see the movie Tomorrowland.
its a Great movie i have it on bluray
I went to see it 22 times!!!! I always went to see jurassic world the same day JUST FOR THE MONORAIL
now I have both dvds and watch them all the time
the problem of the tomorrowland is not that people didn t like it, it s that they didn t see it
I ve never met anybody disappointed by it but tons who have never heard of it
i'm very saddened this never happened. i dont think it will ever happen. i think it would just collapse in on itself due to human error
+aadv123 Not the Disney "Executives" of today. Not one of them has the Imagination or understanding in which Walt had. The Exec's today are just a bunch of bean counters. Walt Disney Company is a shell of it's great past and achievements.
+Disneyisdominate weird
+NAVSPECWARCOM I believe that the company genuinely cares about putting out a great product to the public. Think of the last few animated films: incredible films that will go down in history.
At the very least, it's not so cynical as Dreamworks Animation, whose films are not half as creative or heartfelt as Disney's worst effort.
+Patrick Trujillo (ShadowStalker) And I would take How to Train Your Dragon over Frozen any day of the week.
Chase H. Other than the aspect of voting and government, it absolutely would work, and would be a solution to a lot of the issues we face right now, climate change and transportation being two huge things. But the governmental part ultimately was the biggest reason why no one wanted to try it after his death and instead turned the idea into another park.
It's so sad that Walt didn't live longer. He really had a passion and enthusiasm for every project he undertook whether it was Disneyland or a film. Now it seems like the Disney company is too concerned with money and politics and is losing its wonderful charm. After Walt died it went downhill. Things revived but now it looks like we're headed back into another Disney dark age
Just here before this becomes evidence 😂
Long live Walt. Screw Disney Inc.
Gosh Walt would've been such a great man to hangout with. I grief upon his death. His idea of the future is so...words can't describe how creative Walt is. RIP Walt Disney
The funny thing about it is, despite being insanely ambitious, it looks like it could almost work.
The executives who took over the Disney company claimed that they couldn't build EPCOT the way Walt himself envisioned because they all agreed that the original design wasn't practical (they didn't think a prototype community wouldn't make as much money as a theme park would.)
There was concern among the upper management of Disney at the time that the residents of EPCOT might not want to live under a microscope (not so sure that remains true today for most people in hindsight), and that there would be no unemployed permitted in the community (not sure that could be enforced legally today).
I love Walt! He wasn't a man looking to make money. He was a visionary! He wanted to make the world better. He thought about people, their experiences, and their happiness. I love the idea of the original EPCOT because it was a community where people could solve the problems of the day. Can you imagine what kind of inventions and solutions would have come out of there? Kids would have grown up in schools with the idea that they were going to change the world, and DIsney would have provided their education!! GAH!!! If only if only
The difference between Walt Disney, and the people of science and technology today, is that Walt wanted to make technology to better humanity not to take away our humanity.
No he didnt._. He wanted to take over the world
This comment is as deep as a puddle on a sidewalk
Americans:
Big Brother 😡
Big Brother, Disney 😲
I love hearing "It's a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow" in the background at 11:40
yes and also the monorail song, and people mover song in those kinds of documentaries
the less known alternative song "now is the time" was very good too
"life is a price, live every minute"...how true!
It plays throughout the video and I love hearing it
So Walt’s vision for EPCOT was a commune?
You see this is the whole problem - by the time someone with brains and vision obtains the money needed to make real, dynamic, life altering changes their too old then say hello to what could have been.
The cities of Dubai and Masdar City in the United Arab Emirates along with the upcoming Cedar Island project in Lebanon use similar, if not the same, concepts that Walt created, along with the Venus Project. Additionally, other companies from across the globe are utilizing and developing many of the technologies and systems that Walt had envisioned.)
LOL all these plans and the thing turns out to be a fucking golf ball.
blanchelincoln it's not just a golf ball. It's a tribute to the future and a permanent world's fair
Epcot City would have been a mix of Utopia and Dystopia. Only Disney would have control over the Epcot Government and people wouldn't own the houses they buy. Yeah, sometimes Walt was an idiot.
If this EPCOT would have been a reality, I would have live there and stay there forever!!!
me too
I might if they allow non-Disney stuff. If not, I'm hightailing to somewhere far, far, away from there!
some really nice ideas, I especially like that it was supposed to be centered around pedestrians and electrical transport systems. But it comes with a bitter taste, to watch utopian videos in a dystopian future xD
I love the "There's a great big beautiful tomorrow" orchestral being played in the background. 16:00
If he had lived another 20 years this might have happened. There is no possibility of it now, with current infrastructure and the state of the world. Celebration was the closest comparable thing and it definitely had it problems.
This is absolutely amazing WOW I'm crying I love Walt
EPCOT would have been so much better if Walt was alive to see it :(
So basically he wanted to create the Truman Show ?
RIP Walt Disney (December 5, 1901 - December 15, 1966), aged 65
You will always be remembered as a legend.
Basiclly this is what "Tomarrowland" the movie with clooney was about building the perfect city that never happend
he died 5 weeks after this
daedralord1 wow-that soon? Did he know he was dying? Very sad 😔
@@stephpavone he did not. Back then they didn't tell people they were dying of cancer. As far as I know, he didn't even know he had cancer.
As a native Floridian, sure, EPCOT would've worked. Just look at Midgar of Final Fantasy 7. Just forget the sky is dark and black because of "slight" pollution, or that the guy in charge of draining from the people to keep the city running, or the fact there was a SHIT TON of slums, or secret deadly experiments COULD be happening at the center of the city.
...or that some guy MAY go nuts about the experiments and kill everyone, or some other angst-ridden guy will "try and defeat him.", and the tension between the two becomes sexual by fans which in turn makes those two more popular.
You can make a religion out of this. ⛪
An incubator. I had heard about this concept before but never seen it laid out in such detail. Very interesting. Brave New World, indeed.
You can tell walt isn't an environmentalist LOL 'taking about building over an incomprehensible amount of land like it's nothing......
same thing with the ski resort......... he was out of control..... i wonder what he would of done after this project, because if he was immortal you just know he wouldnt quit after this,,,, maybe build in Antarctica ?
i respect the guys hustle but our poor environment he was beating it to death lol
aadv123 my post was at least part sarcasm :)
I have alot of admiration for walt and what he achieved,
I wish they would have all these films on Disney+ too.
But then we could not enjoy these videos on TH-cam. I for one will never give any more money to Disney and of course never subscribe to Disney+.
@@aprils376 OK fair enough. And I was only suggesting Disney+ because most people have no idea these types of old docs or TV specials even exist. On TH-cam you have to go looking for them or maybe get recommended by it which is how I found out this even existed. But on Disney+ they would all be in one place for people to explore.
And I would just like to see more content focused on the parks in general there: especially older stuff.
This is so brilliant. Why has no one worked on this type of project?
+Jonathon Gillis Because it would cost billions!
+Jonathon Gillis think how much money banks and oil companies would lose if towns would be built like this .
Also look up Jacque Fresco
+Jonathon Gillis This is the blueprint of every major city on the planet, what do you mean ? The only thing missing is the Disney world and the Dome, instead we have reality.
+Jonathon Gillis Among other things, NIMBYism. It's hard to even install bike lanes or do a road diet without having people scream bloody murder. Something as hugely top-down as this would require an absence of democratic influence on the planning process.
because it would have ended like epcot out of date and empty....