I have 5 of them ready for transplant into the ground here in Fiji. I can't wait to try them. 4 more years to go. Thanks for the review I had no idea what it was like.
Glad I could enlighten you about the taste. If these grow as well in Fiji as they do in Hawaii you will be glad you bothered to raise the trees. Mahalo, Bill
Great point about the breeding potential. There are quite a few improved varieties out of Australia (z4,e2,e4,etc). Then you have the closely related species and unnamed species (P. torta "fuzzy abiu", P. sp. "black abiu", i think a purple one they are calling a ssp of P. caimito). I have a first gen hybrid of P. torta x P. caimito im anxious to try, but still some years out, I want to back cross it with an E4 seedling I have. I've heard the fuzzy abiu is supposed to be more cold hardy, which makes sense, but accounts differ on that.
Thanks for sharing Bill! Abiu looks delicious. I Hope to try someday. I like growing seed grown trees too. To me, they seem to grow more vigorously than grafted trees
It depends on what the trees are grafted to. Many nurseries use root stocks that intentionally dwarf the trees for easy picking and maintenance. Dwarf trees are less vigorous than full size trees.
Very excited that I just planted my abiu seedlings today( about four trees) . They sprouted very quickly and look healthy. Next want to get a achacha. Aloha.
Abiu really grow fast. I often have fruit in 4 to 5 years from seeds. Excellent plant. I still have Achacha seeds but not for much longer. The current batch will begin to germinate soon.
In the southern 25% I suspect it will do fine after dealing with soil issues. In the northern 75% of the state the tree is at risk with the next Alberta Clipper.
Only ever use Abiu seeds from fruit that had 2 seeds max in it for best results. Two or one seeders are the best. One of my favourite fruits of em all. My mate has 20 trees in his orchard, all grown from seed and they are spectacular. Cheers
Great summary. Very true. Though there are some plants..some fruiting shrubs, etc...that are known to grow true to seed. I have always fancied the Abiu and wished it would grow well here in Phx.
Most plants, that do not have a long history of cultivation by humans, tend to breed quite true from seeds. It is only the plants that have been heavily hybridized that produce random genetic results. Humans have never spent much time manipulating the genetics of tropical fruit. Most varieties are selections rather than the result of crosses. These are very true. Even in the case of apples though I have found one tree in 100 that makes excellent fruit from seeds. The rest are great for BB-Q and smoker wood.
I suspect Abiu is too tender for Phoenix but I have never tried to grow it off Island. It is a mostly tropical plant. Seeds planted in Homestead Florida were mostly killed by winter cold according to Julia Morton Fruits of Warm Climates. She is a pretty reliable source.
I bought a seedling from you almost a year ago. It has been in the ground for a few months now and is still under 1 foot tall. I'm prepping to replace this runt with a more vigorous abiu.
Blaming the plant for poor perfomance is often an incorrect observation. What sort of fertilizer are you using, how often and what are the soil conditions like? For a considerable time in the past year we suffered less than average rainfall that would effect plantings that were not irrigated.
Wow, what a wonderful fruit! I had never seen it or heard about it. My 2 paw-paw seedlings arrived. Yay! More fruit seeds too. Happy as can be. Got american persimmon (Diospyros virginiana), they are as big as a plum but completely hardy.
Well now, let those persimmons get soft! They are pretty good if dead ripe. Glad to here you got the Pawpaw trees. With just a bit of care they should do well. I find the tree very adaptable to different environments. Check out the Abiu while traveling if you find it but growing it in your location without a heated greenhouse would not be possible. They have no tolerance to frost.
Naah, i have grown so many tropical potted plants in the past, i just don't want to fiddle with that stuff anymore. It either grows outside or it dies. Paw-paw is right on the edge of what will survive here in a freak winter. -16C hardiness is as far as i will go. I don't want to deal with wrapping trees. I did get some things that die to the ground and can be mulched heavilly. Canna edulis and chinese yam for example.
I agree completely. I have found that many plants are not grown in certain regions only because of mind set but the rest don't grow because of climate. I do not involve myself in "Space Station" gardening where the plants are sustained only by a life support system. If they can't survive i the climate I plant them in them good bye to them. There are too many good choices and well adapted plants usually make excellent produce.
So sad I am from Canada... I would LOVE tasting this fruit... I order my fruits from Miami fruits to have different tastes.... But never had an abiu. Thanks for sharing...
Abiu is very perishable and doesn't taste right if picked unripe. It is best enjoyed straight from the tree. Having eaten tropical fruit in the US Mainland and eaten the same fruit field ripened in Hawaii, there is no comparison. I find it difficult enough to find a good apple or peach on Mainland markets. Finding a good Abiu, Mamey or Chico Sapote is almost impossible. Take a plane over here and eat your way across Hawaii once life gets back to normal. Aloha
I was told Puna soil too YOUNG for good fruiting unless you bring in older soil from north. Boy, you sure seem lucky to me to get a super seedling from ONE attempt.
People have all sorts of strange ideas and moving soil from the north is just one of them. You do not want to start moving soils around. Every soil has it's strong and weak point plus imports usually bring pests and diseases you did not have. Soil transport is a rather silly idea. Some of the worst and most worn out soils in HI are on the northern lands that were over farmed with sugar cane. Almost no soil in Hawaii holds onto nitrogen well because the rain is high and the soils all drain super fast. Most soils here will lock up phosphorous due to low pH. Tropical conditions eat the carbon in Hawaiian soils and most nutrients are in the vegetation cover not the soil. This is typical of all tropical soils. No matter what soil you have in HI, if you address these issue the fruit trees will grow.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Well, then ,I might just become your newest neighbor since I have been looking at Puna for three years, but the soil issue had for a while discouraged me, not to mention the volcanic activity. What volcanic zone are you in, anyhow? Of course I am loathe to leave my twenty some paw paws, asimina triloba and 20 some annonas, mostly cherimoyas, but about six atemoyas, one soursop and one mauve kampong sugar apple in greenhouse, and the coming (from south florida) abiu and achacha, due to arrive sunday here in Lake Balboa, California, a suberb of L.A. that hasn't seen any frost for six years though it is CURRENTLY terribly flirting with a freeze the past few days.
@@guyveloz4382 Much of Hawaiian agriculture is not on soil, it's on lava flows. I have no good numbers but I would say over half this Islands crops are not grown on soil. All the Kona coffee is on lava as well as most of the Macadamia nuts. Soil is more of a mainland concern than an Island issue. We get more than enough rain here to grow trees on lava flows as if it was hydroponics. If volcanic activity makes you nervous it would be best to find another place to live. No volcanoes, no Hawaii, they are one in the same and for the most part eruptions here are continuous. This past year is the longest time I have ever seen without lava. I am more comfortable when it is flowing because I know what Pele is up to. A 101 class on Hawaiian volcanoes might settle your nerves. Hawaii has the only volcanoes of this type on earth. They are caused by a thin spot in the crust instead of tectonic plate subduction. I live in a nice safe part of lava zone 3 where I get to watch all the fun going on when zones 1 & 2 start erupting. Last two eruptions we watched the lava 20 miles off from our dinner table. It was kind of sad when the show stopped.
The last crop was Dec/January. I have to keep the seeds in soil or they die. Most of the seed has grown to trees in the nursery, I have maybe 6 seeds that have not sprouted and 6 more with a tiny root that could be shipped.
Thanks for the great video. I live in Mountain View and have a small back yard. How much work would it be to keep it a manageable size of about 15’ tall?
My trees are at least 10 years old and still under 15 feet. I have never done anything with them but feed and pick. The fruit is so heavy that it bends the limbs to the ground as the ripen. The tree takes that shape so the more it grows up the more it comes to the ground. High isn't an issue with Abiu, spread is. The trees take up a heck of a foot print at ground level. Eventually I may have to trim back the spread.
Great info! I love the flavor of this fruit. I have a tree I started from seed and it is about 2’ tall. What would you suggest for fertilizer? I enjoy your videos! I spent at least 2 hours watching them yesterday. The one about rat and slug control was very helpful. I am going to make some of the bait stations. Last summer I trapped at least 10. The neighbors are oblivious to the problem.
@@KR-vq2jf The folks across the fence being oblivious to rats is classic. Unless you have a predator nature and are a skilled hunter or grow things that rats destroy you probably are completely unaware of the rodents around your home. The fact that you trapped 10 last year is doing pretty good. They are not that easy to get into a trap. I use Traps, glue boards, baits and a pellet gun. Each works to an extent. I am on deep soil here and it has fair fertility for Hawaii. I do not feed the Abiu much. Probably some pelletized chicken manure was the last feed it got. Nutririch is from an egg ranch in OR and is the cheapest organic fertilizer in HI.
The tree is so fast it is hardly worth the effort but yes, grafting would speed fruiting. The main reason I would bother to graft or air layer this tree is to control genetics. The trees vary from seeds. I have never seen a bad one but a few are superior. Grafting from superior trees would create consistency.
I believe some Abiu are self fertile but others are not. If the trees are from seed I would plant several close together. I have one tree at a distance from the others that has flowered but never set fruit.
The Abiu is unreliable when it comes to pollination. Some trees have perfect flowers and are self fertile. Other trees appear to be self sterile. I have two very different looking abiu side by side that make very nice crops. I have one standing alone several hundred feet away that has bloomed for years and never made a bit of fruit. We can assume the tree is self sterile. Plant two or three in a clump to insure pollination.
Hey, just found your channel! Thanks for the video. I have a question; I just bought one as a small seedling and I put it in direct sun for a day after I got it and the leaves turned brown! (I'm in Florida) i put it in shade, but is it too late for it to recover?
I guess it depends on how fried the plant got. It seems the guy you bought it from must have been growing it under shade and the adjustment to sun was too fast. I'd move it to more subdued light and see what happens. It very well may come back if the damage isn't too bad. I grow mine under full sun but they start that way as seedlings. It's never as hot here as in FL either.
Where there is a will there is a way. Under the proper conditions with a greenhouse the tree would grow. Outside in the environment I don't believe it has the cold or drought tolerance to thrive in CA. The good news is, the plant fruits young and at fairly small size for a tree. It is a fair choice of a fruit tree for greenhouse culture.
Aloha Bill, I live in Hilo, Hawaii formerly in Puna . I recently had some Abui and collected some seed. Is there anything I need to do to the seed before planting them. Thank You , Ron
Do not dry the seed. Remove them from fresh fruit and plant in soil asap. Make sure the seeds came from exceptional Abiu. When using seed from my best trees I generally get a very high percentage of excellent off spring. My nursery is filled with Abiu from excellent parents for $4 each if you are interested.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Yes I'm interested in buying maybe two Abiu..from you . I'm assuming your nursery is located in Mountain View. Do I need to make appointment?
@@rjpkeaau1066 No appointment needed but I do duck in and out of here so if the gate is open just come on in. Calling ahead is usually the best plan then I am sure to be here. Use my email for phone # and address. greengardenservice@yahoo.com
The tree originates at the headwaters of the Amazon. It is tropical to nearly so. It thrives in warm moist year round weather. This makes it a perfect fruit here in East Hawaii. It starts bearing in 3 years from seeds and reaches a substantial crop at 5 years.
I have never tried to dry or store this seed. Most tropical fruit seed dislikes drying. I plant it fresh from the fruit. When I have the seed for sale I keep it stored in moist soil prior to shipping. When it sprouts I move it into the nursery as trees. I have little faith that the seed would store dry longer than a week or two.
@@saidadz1903 No. I have a website at www.greengardenservice.net Seeds are under the products for sale button. I have no Abiu seed at the moment. I predict the next crop for Feb. 2025.
It is tropical so freezing will kill the tree. The only data I can furnish is weather recorded here on this farm. In Hawaii the tree tolerates winter night temperatures as low as 50 f. The summer highs here are around 88f. The Abiu is from Amazonia so I suspect it will handle temps near 100 but I don't have any data for that.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 I am very thankful to you .May God bless you all happiness. I found you a helping person. Here is 40 f lowest in winter and 113 f is highest in May and June. I am from Haryana India Sub tropical climate.
Abiu has potential as a niche item in the exotic fruit market. Exotic has become big business these days. The nature of the fruit is compatible with shipping so this is encouraging. As Jeff said, selecting for a harder shell would be good. As far as actually food production for human nutrition and feeding the planet is concerned I suspect Abiu just doesn't have the food value of other more adaptable plants. It is okay for nutrition but not even close to a super food.
A limited amount of seed is available on my website. www.greengardenservice.net I have potted Abiu trees and I can ship to Florida but minimum orders are $100 plus tax and shipping.
Bill, I am still lucubrating over whether or not I mixed up my abiu and ross sapote labels, because ONE of them is rather slow of growth and with smallish, dull leaves, the other an absolutely aggressive grower with huge shiny leaves -- which do you think is which? I keep thinking of becoming one of your neighbors, but don't let that worry you -- I am very respectful and quiet.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Well, the big, shiny, fast growing, huge leafed sucker has a metal tag I don't know whether I put on it or not identifying it as "Canistel Ross Sapote" which is a mistake I doubt I would have made, and beneath it is this slower than hell little bugger just starting to put on some glossy top growth and if it IS the Abiu it must be the world's shiest, slowest grower of any Abiu I ever heard of. What is REALLY gratifying is a Green Sapote next to both of these that is growing BEAUTIFULLY, and it is my THIRD attempt at growing green sapotes , and the other two got scorched to freaking death, but this one, inside a wire mesh greenhouse, is in no direct sunlight, and just performing like a trooper -- a real shock. A Mamey sapote seedling just died next to IT, and I just bought a pound plus fresh Mamey Sapote from Vallarta market in Reseda and it is hard as a rock, and I want to make sure it gets riper than hell, so I put it in a bag, and then I will eat it and plant the seed where the other one died. Man those Mamey seeds are pretty.
You can doubt all you want but the doubt is your problem, not mine. I have no reason to make up stories that are untrue. Just because you are having trouble growing the tree doesn't mean that I am a lair. Instead of doubting my words consider the possibility that your tree has problems, the soil medium may be at fault, you may not be fertilizing the way I do or the climate and conditions where you live are unsuitable for the tree. I would consider all of this before challenging my honesty. The last time I heard that people in Florida were fruiting pineapples in 12 months while mine take 24 I tried using the type they were growing. I found out it fruits in 12 months here too and never really considered the people in Florida were not telling the truth.
This is a question that I never ask and so far every fruit tree I have planted has come to bearing age while I am still on earth. One of my Abiu came to fruit three years after it was planted. Another took 4 years to make the first fruit. I have two others that are in the 5th year and still haven't produced. The tree that produced in 3 years has the best tasting and the largest fruit of the two trees that are bearing. These figures though are from growth in eastern Hawaii where it rains almost every day, the temperature is always between 55 and 85 with volcanic ash soil that is over 16 feet deep. The experience you have in your area could be completely different.
I have eaten Canistel many times and I have two trees on the farm that are probably going to yield crops in the next year. When I have some fruit to show for my efforts I will make a video on the subject. I can say that Canistel is not particularly exciting from my point of view. I think it resembles sweetened over cooked egg yolk. I have never eaten Lucuma but the California Rare Fruit Growers I knew were very excited about it because it is subtropical. Since Hawaii is mostly tropical it doesn't seem to be popular here. If I could find some seeds I would consider giving it a try. Do you grow the tree?
I wouldn't say that I grow them; I've just sown canistel and lucuma seeds from eBay into little cups over the past week. My budding plan (no pun intended) is to graft several Pouteria varieties onto a single plant in a container. Probably some kind of insulation and heating will be necessary, given that I'm in the Bay Area. I've only had lucuma powder, and it tastes like Fig Newtons to me. Hopefully I'll enjoy whatever fruit I get out of my project. Why are you growing canistel trees if you don't particularly like the fruit?
From what I understand via information from CRFG is that the Lucuma will grow in the Bay Area if you have a favorable microclimate. As for the rest of the family it is highly unlikely that they will work out well unless they are living in a "space station" environment with total climate control. The good news is the Abiu will bear in 3 or 4 years from a seed on fairly small plants so protection is easy. The Canistel will take longer and the tree will be larger before fruit comes. Why do I grow things I do not care for? I'm not nuts about taro either but I collect all the traditional Hawaiian types I can find because we are 2500 miles from anywhere out here and the Polynesians lived on the stuff for thousands of years. Our remote location prompts me to grow many things that aren't my favorites out of a desire for sustainable food sources. The Egg fruit grows well here and it sells well in the market. I need income almost as much as I need food. The trees are also the mother plants for my nursery operation. I grow a lot of plants for sale that I don't really care for as long as others want them.
Hi Bill i live in california and i just saw you video and i like to now if you can sell to me same abui seeds and any other tropical fruit fresh that you have because i been buying some seeds but those where not fresh, can you tell me how i can contact you. thank you
@@GreenGardenGuy1 ouch thanks for the knowledge. On that note can you please sell me some seeds off this variety. There isn't any on your website but I'm sure you have some around lol. This long nipple variety is very hard to come by.
@@MiamiRareFruitTrees The seeds are seasonal and can not be dried. I have to keep them in soil to keep them alive. Currently all seeds from the last crop have germinated and grown into trees. The trees crop twice each year. See is usually listed for about 4 to 6 months each year. The listing will return by Fall. Potted trees are the only thing I have currently.
Lucretia, yes, they are the largest I have ever seen. The flavor is also better than most. I grow a lot of tropical fruit trees from seeds because they are not hybridized. These Abiu came from seeds removed from fruit that was normal in all respects. At first I thought perhaps it is out deep soil and cool growing conditions but later other trees started to fruit from the same batch of seed and the fruit was normal sized. When you grow fruit trees from seeds you can end up with surprises like this.
Sorry, right now I am not interested in starting an ebay presence but I will sell you some Abiu seeds if you like. Contact me at my email for more information. greengardenservice@yahoo.com
This variety originated on my farm from seeds that came out of smaller Hawaiian grown Abiu. It might appear to be Abiu Ticuna but it does not originate from that variety. It needs a Hawaiian name. Aloha
The timing is effected by climate but the purple is one of the earliest to mature to fruit. Usually 18 to 24 months is right. They seldom live beyond 6 years. Fast growing short lived vine.
GreenGardenGuy1 and it gives true from seed right ? I mean I don't mind some variations in growth habits or fruit size as long as it gives some fruits. and should I wait until march for lilikois too ?
Cool. Thanks for sharing and happy Abiu growing 🌱
Aloha.
I have 5 of them ready for transplant into the ground here in Fiji. I can't wait to try them. 4 more years to go.
Thanks for the review I had no idea what it was like.
Glad I could enlighten you about the taste. If these grow as well in Fiji as they do in Hawaii you will be glad you bothered to raise the trees. Mahalo, Bill
Great point about the breeding potential. There are quite a few improved varieties out of Australia (z4,e2,e4,etc). Then you have the closely related species and unnamed species (P. torta "fuzzy abiu", P. sp. "black abiu", i think a purple one they are calling a ssp of P. caimito). I have a first gen hybrid of P. torta x P. caimito im anxious to try, but still some years out, I want to back cross it with an E4 seedling I have. I've heard the fuzzy abiu is supposed to be more cold hardy, which makes sense, but accounts differ on that.
I have some Abiurana here, Pouteria caimito. IT appears to want to live somewhere else. The growth is slow and not even close to the Abiu.
Thanks for sharing Bill! Abiu looks delicious. I Hope to try someday. I like growing seed grown trees too. To me, they seem to grow more vigorously than grafted trees
It depends on what the trees are grafted to. Many nurseries use root stocks that intentionally dwarf the trees for easy picking and maintenance. Dwarf trees are less vigorous than full size trees.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 can u give me 2 seeds?
@@SId-gb1qr They are listed for sale at www.greengardenservice.net The basic unit of purchase is three seeds.
Very excited that I just planted my abiu seedlings today( about four trees) . They sprouted very quickly and look healthy. Next want to get a achacha. Aloha.
Abiu really grow fast. I often have fruit in 4 to 5 years from seeds. Excellent plant. I still have Achacha seeds but not for much longer. The current batch will begin to germinate soon.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 how do I order? What is your email/ website?
@@farisasmith7109 www.greengardenservice.net
Thanks for the info and pics i just got my tree hoping to thrive in Florida!
In the southern 25% I suspect it will do fine after dealing with soil issues. In the northern 75% of the state the tree is at risk with the next Alberta Clipper.
Only ever use Abiu seeds from fruit that had 2 seeds max in it for best results. Two or one seeders are the best.
One of my favourite fruits of em all.
My mate has 20 trees in his orchard, all grown from seed and they are spectacular. Cheers
Very good fruit. Ate some with dinner this evening. My trees are most one to two seeds. I've never has a triple. Aloha
Great summary. Very true. Though there are some plants..some fruiting shrubs, etc...that are known to grow true to seed. I have always fancied the Abiu and wished it would grow well here in Phx.
Most plants, that do not have a long history of cultivation by humans, tend to breed quite true from seeds. It is only the plants that have been heavily hybridized that produce random genetic results. Humans have never spent much time manipulating the genetics of tropical fruit. Most varieties are selections rather than the result of crosses. These are very true. Even in the case of apples though I have found one tree in 100 that makes excellent fruit from seeds. The rest are great for BB-Q and smoker wood.
I'm largely on board ! Agreed...
I suspect Abiu is too tender for Phoenix but I have never tried to grow it off Island. It is a mostly tropical plant. Seeds planted in Homestead Florida were mostly killed by winter cold according to Julia Morton Fruits of Warm Climates. She is a pretty reliable source.
I bought a seedling from you almost a year ago. It has been in the ground for a few months now and is still under 1 foot tall. I'm prepping to replace this runt with a more vigorous abiu.
Blaming the plant for poor perfomance is often an incorrect observation. What sort of fertilizer are you using, how often and what are the soil conditions like? For a considerable time in the past year we suffered less than average rainfall that would effect plantings that were not irrigated.
Wow, what a wonderful fruit! I had never seen it or heard about it.
My 2 paw-paw seedlings arrived. Yay! More fruit seeds too. Happy as can be. Got american persimmon (Diospyros virginiana), they are as big as a plum but completely hardy.
Well now, let those persimmons get soft! They are pretty good if dead ripe. Glad to here you got the Pawpaw trees. With just a bit of care they should do well. I find the tree very adaptable to different environments. Check out the Abiu while traveling if you find it but growing it in your location without a heated greenhouse would not be possible. They have no tolerance to frost.
Naah, i have grown so many tropical potted plants in the past, i just don't want to fiddle with that stuff anymore. It either grows outside or it dies. Paw-paw is right on the edge of what will survive here in a freak winter. -16C hardiness is as far as i will go. I don't want to deal with wrapping trees. I did get some things that die to the ground and can be mulched heavilly. Canna edulis and chinese yam for example.
I agree completely. I have found that many plants are not grown in certain regions only because of mind set but the rest don't grow because of climate. I do not involve myself in "Space Station" gardening where the plants are sustained only by a life support system. If they can't survive i the climate I plant them in them good bye to them. There are too many good choices and well adapted plants usually make excellent produce.
So sad I am from Canada... I would LOVE tasting this fruit... I order my fruits from Miami fruits to have different tastes.... But never had an abiu. Thanks for sharing...
Abiu is very perishable and doesn't taste right if picked unripe. It is best enjoyed straight from the tree. Having eaten tropical fruit in the US Mainland and eaten the same fruit field ripened in Hawaii, there is no comparison. I find it difficult enough to find a good apple or peach on Mainland markets. Finding a good Abiu, Mamey or Chico Sapote is almost impossible. Take a plane over here and eat your way across Hawaii once life gets back to normal. Aloha
I was told Puna soil too YOUNG for good fruiting unless you bring in older soil from north. Boy, you sure seem lucky to me to get a super seedling from ONE attempt.
People have all sorts of strange ideas and moving soil from the north is just one of them. You do not want to start moving soils around. Every soil has it's strong and weak point plus imports usually bring pests and diseases you did not have. Soil transport is a rather silly idea. Some of the worst and most worn out soils in HI are on the northern lands that were over farmed with sugar cane.
Almost no soil in Hawaii holds onto nitrogen well because the rain is high and the soils all drain super fast. Most soils here will lock up phosphorous due to low pH. Tropical conditions eat the carbon in Hawaiian soils and most nutrients are in the vegetation cover not the soil. This is typical of all tropical soils. No matter what soil you have in HI, if you address these issue the fruit trees will grow.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Well, then ,I might just become your newest neighbor since I have been looking at Puna for three years, but the soil issue had for a while discouraged me, not to mention the volcanic activity. What volcanic zone are you in, anyhow? Of course I am loathe to leave my twenty some paw paws, asimina triloba and 20 some annonas, mostly cherimoyas, but about six atemoyas, one soursop and one mauve kampong sugar apple in greenhouse, and the coming (from south florida) abiu and achacha, due to arrive sunday here in Lake Balboa, California, a suberb of L.A. that hasn't seen any frost for six years though it is CURRENTLY terribly flirting with a freeze the past few days.
@@guyveloz4382 Much of Hawaiian agriculture is not on soil, it's on lava flows. I have no good numbers but I would say over half this Islands crops are not grown on soil. All the Kona coffee is on lava as well as most of the Macadamia nuts. Soil is more of a mainland concern than an Island issue. We get more than enough rain here to grow trees on lava flows as if it was hydroponics.
If volcanic activity makes you nervous it would be best to find another place to live. No volcanoes, no Hawaii, they are one in the same and for the most part eruptions here are continuous. This past year is the longest time I have ever seen without lava. I am more comfortable when it is flowing because I know what Pele is up to.
A 101 class on Hawaiian volcanoes might settle your nerves. Hawaii has the only volcanoes of this type on earth. They are caused by a thin spot in the crust instead of tectonic plate subduction.
I live in a nice safe part of lava zone 3 where I get to watch all the fun going on when zones 1 & 2 start erupting. Last two eruptions we watched the lava 20 miles off from our dinner table. It was kind of sad when the show stopped.
Thank you for this video!
You are so welcome!
I would like to plant an Abiu. Thanks for sharing. How do I get seeds or plant to buy.
The last crop was Dec/January. I have to keep the seeds in soil or they die. Most of the seed has grown to trees in the nursery, I have maybe 6 seeds that have not sprouted and 6 more with a tiny root that could be shipped.
Thanks for the great video. I live in Mountain View and have a small back yard. How much work would it be to keep it a manageable size of about
15’ tall?
My trees are at least 10 years old and still under 15 feet. I have never done anything with them but feed and pick. The fruit is so heavy that it bends the limbs to the ground as the ripen. The tree takes that shape so the more it grows up the more it comes to the ground. High isn't an issue with Abiu, spread is. The trees take up a heck of a foot print at ground level. Eventually I may have to trim back the spread.
Great info! I love the flavor of this fruit. I have a tree I started from seed and it is about 2’ tall. What would you suggest for fertilizer? I enjoy your videos! I spent at least 2 hours watching them yesterday. The one about rat and slug control was very helpful. I am going to make some of the bait stations. Last summer I trapped at least 10. The neighbors are oblivious to the problem.
@@KR-vq2jf The folks across the fence being oblivious to rats is classic. Unless you have a predator nature and are a skilled hunter or grow things that rats destroy you probably are completely unaware of the rodents around your home. The fact that you trapped 10 last year is doing pretty good. They are not that easy to get into a trap. I use Traps, glue boards, baits and a pellet gun. Each works to an extent.
I am on deep soil here and it has fair fertility for Hawaii. I do not feed the Abiu much. Probably some pelletized chicken manure was the last feed it got. Nutririch is from an egg ranch in OR and is the cheapest organic fertilizer in HI.
Thanks for the information and all of the great videos.
@@KR-vq2jf Mahalo
Awesome. I had never heard of this one before.
It is a fruit worthy of greater attention.
Do you think it'll bear fruit faster if it was grafted?
The tree is so fast it is hardly worth the effort but yes, grafting would speed fruiting. The main reason I would bother to graft or air layer this tree is to control genetics. The trees vary from seeds. I have never seen a bad one but a few are superior. Grafting from superior trees would create consistency.
i love to have this tree in my yard here in southern ca i heard you have to have 2 trees to pollinate
I believe some Abiu are self fertile but others are not. If the trees are from seed I would plant several close together. I have one tree at a distance from the others that has flowered but never set fruit.
What tree did you use for pollination thank you
I have two different types of Abiu side by side.
Oh how I would love to be able to get some of your abiu seeds :)
The Abiu seeds are listed on my website. www.greengardenservice.net
Is this tree sale pollinating? I'm having a hard time finding info on it and I am only growing one.
The Abiu is unreliable when it comes to pollination. Some trees have perfect flowers and are self fertile. Other trees appear to be self sterile. I have two very different looking abiu side by side that make very nice crops. I have one standing alone several hundred feet away that has bloomed for years and never made a bit of fruit. We can assume the tree is self sterile. Plant two or three in a clump to insure pollination.
Hey, just found your channel! Thanks for the video. I have a question; I just bought one as a small seedling and I put it in direct sun for a day after I got it and the leaves turned brown! (I'm in Florida) i put it in shade, but is it too late for it to recover?
I guess it depends on how fried the plant got. It seems the guy you bought it from must have been growing it under shade and the adjustment to sun was too fast. I'd move it to more subdued light and see what happens. It very well may come back if the damage isn't too bad. I grow mine under full sun but they start that way as seedlings. It's never as hot here as in FL either.
Bill, Do you think this Abiu can grow in Hayward, SF bay area? growing in pot.
Where there is a will there is a way. Under the proper conditions with a greenhouse the tree would grow. Outside in the environment I don't believe it has the cold or drought tolerance to thrive in CA. The good news is, the plant fruits young and at fairly small size for a tree. It is a fair choice of a fruit tree for greenhouse culture.
Aloha Bill, I live in Hilo, Hawaii formerly in Puna . I recently had some Abui and collected some seed. Is there anything I need to do to the seed before planting them. Thank You , Ron
Do not dry the seed. Remove them from fresh fruit and plant in soil asap. Make sure the seeds came from exceptional Abiu. When using seed from my best trees I generally get a very high percentage of excellent off spring. My nursery is filled with Abiu from excellent parents for $4 each if you are interested.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Yes I'm interested in buying maybe two Abiu..from you . I'm assuming your nursery is located in Mountain View. Do I need to make appointment?
@@rjpkeaau1066 No appointment needed but I do duck in and out of here so if the gate is open just come on in. Calling ahead is usually the best plan then I am sure to be here. Use my email for phone # and address. greengardenservice@yahoo.com
Cool vid Bill, im chasing these seeds ATM. Not easy to find on Oz. Any idea on the min. temps these can handle? cheers mate.
The tree originates at the headwaters of the Amazon. It is tropical to nearly so. It thrives in warm moist year round weather. This makes it a perfect fruit here in East Hawaii. It starts bearing in 3 years from seeds and reaches a substantial crop at 5 years.
So what are the coldest temps you get?
New Years night it can drop as low as maybe 52 degrees F. or 11.11 C.
Cheers mate, thats what i was after :)
For the abiu fruit, how long can I store the seeds? I wanted to buy the seeds online, but I heard that they spoil quickly.
I have never tried to dry or store this seed. Most tropical fruit seed dislikes drying. I plant it fresh from the fruit. When I have the seed for sale I keep it stored in moist soil prior to shipping. When it sprouts I move it into the nursery as trees. I have little faith that the seed would store dry longer than a week or two.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 have you a store in amazon
@@saidadz1903 No. I have a website at www.greengardenservice.net Seeds are under the products for sale button. I have no Abiu seed at the moment. I predict the next crop for Feb. 2025.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 can you delevry to algeria
@@saidadz1903 Sorry, no. Only US zip codes.
How much highest and lowest temperature Abiu plant can tolerate?
It is tropical so freezing will kill the tree. The only data I can furnish is weather recorded here on this farm. In Hawaii the tree tolerates winter night temperatures as low as 50 f. The summer highs here are around 88f. The Abiu is from Amazonia so I suspect it will handle temps near 100 but I don't have any data for that.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 I am very thankful to you .May God bless you all happiness. I found you a helping person.
Here is 40 f lowest in winter and 113 f is highest in May and June.
I am from Haryana India
Sub tropical climate.
@@deekanature4005 The tree is worth trying. They grow fast. Four or five years to fruit from seed on the fastest varieties.
Since the tree yields fruit so shortly in 5 years, would you say it is a good plant to invest in for food production?
so many other factors...and most commercial production is grafted for much more rapid fruiting...and fruit consistency. The harder shell may be a plus
Abiu has potential as a niche item in the exotic fruit market. Exotic has become big business these days. The nature of the fruit is compatible with shipping so this is encouraging. As Jeff said, selecting for a harder shell would be good. As far as actually food production for human nutrition and feeding the planet is concerned I suspect Abiu just doesn't have the food value of other more adaptable plants. It is okay for nutrition but not even close to a super food.
I like the tree those it look good where do i posted to buy in
I sell the seeds in season. Next crop will be fall. www.greengardenservice.net
Are you willing or able to ship some to Florida? I'm quite interested in trying to grow some.
A limited amount of seed is available on my website. www.greengardenservice.net I have potted Abiu trees and I can ship to Florida but minimum orders are $100 plus tax and shipping.
Bill, I am still lucubrating over whether or not I mixed up my abiu and ross sapote labels, because ONE of them is rather slow of growth and with smallish, dull leaves, the other an absolutely aggressive grower with huge shiny leaves -- which do you think is which? I keep thinking of becoming one of your neighbors, but don't let that worry you -- I am very respectful and quiet.
Abiu is the faster growing of the two from my experience. It won't matter much until you get fruit though.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Well, the big, shiny, fast growing, huge leafed sucker has a metal tag I don't know whether I put on it or not identifying it as "Canistel Ross Sapote" which is a mistake I doubt I would have made, and beneath it is this slower than hell little bugger just starting to put on some glossy top growth and if it IS the Abiu it must be the world's shiest, slowest grower of any Abiu I ever heard of. What is REALLY gratifying is a Green Sapote next to both of these that is growing BEAUTIFULLY, and it is my THIRD attempt at growing green sapotes , and the other two got scorched to freaking death, but this one, inside a wire mesh greenhouse, is in no direct sunlight, and just performing like a trooper -- a real shock. A Mamey sapote seedling just died next to IT, and I just bought a pound plus fresh Mamey Sapote from Vallarta market in Reseda and it is hard as a rock, and I want to make sure it gets riper than hell, so I put it in a bag, and then I will eat it and plant the seed where the other one died. Man those Mamey seeds are pretty.
@@guyveloz4382 I lose track of things around here at times. A data base is more useful than tags in a rainforest.
Bill, the Abiu is the slowest growing seen I have ever had...from seed to fruit in 4 yrs, I highly doubt it....Its a darn snail.
You can doubt all you want but the doubt is your problem, not mine. I have no reason to make up stories that are untrue. Just because you are having trouble growing the tree doesn't mean that I am a lair. Instead of doubting my words consider the possibility that your tree has problems, the soil medium may be at fault, you may not be fertilizing the way I do or the climate and conditions where you live are unsuitable for the tree. I would consider all of this before challenging my honesty. The last time I heard that people in Florida were fruiting pineapples in 12 months while mine take 24 I tried using the type they were growing. I found out it fruits in 12 months here too and never really considered the people in Florida were not telling the truth.
What real estate agent would you recommend for Puna real estate? I have lost contact with my earlier one and have forgotten hus name.
Denise Nakanishi. (808) 936-5100 You can search the MLS yourself at Hilobrokers.com They have a public access MLS
Where on Big island are you?
Puna District, Mountain View.
How long Does it takes to fruit from seed?
This is a question that I never ask and so far every fruit tree I have planted has come to bearing age while I am still on earth. One of my Abiu came to fruit three years after it was planted. Another took 4 years to make the first fruit. I have two others that are in the 5th year and still haven't produced. The tree that produced in 3 years has the best tasting and the largest fruit of the two trees that are bearing. These figures though are from growth in eastern Hawaii where it rains almost every day, the temperature is always between 55 and 85 with volcanic ash soil that is over 16 feet deep. The experience you have in your area could be completely different.
can that tree be 5 feet tall?
I suppose it is possible with the right training. I would say 10' to 12' is an easier target.
Have you ever tried the related Pouterias, canistel and lucuma? I know you've done a video on mamey.
I have eaten Canistel many times and I have two trees on the farm that are probably going to yield crops in the next year. When I have some fruit to show for my efforts I will make a video on the subject. I can say that Canistel is not particularly exciting from my point of view. I think it resembles sweetened over cooked egg yolk.
I have never eaten Lucuma but the California Rare Fruit Growers I knew were very excited about it because it is subtropical. Since Hawaii is mostly tropical it doesn't seem to be popular here. If I could find some seeds I would consider giving it a try. Do you grow the tree?
I wouldn't say that I grow them; I've just sown canistel and lucuma seeds from eBay into little cups over the past week. My budding plan (no pun intended) is to graft several Pouteria varieties onto a single plant in a container. Probably some kind of insulation and heating will be necessary, given that I'm in the Bay Area.
I've only had lucuma powder, and it tastes like Fig Newtons to me. Hopefully I'll enjoy whatever fruit I get out of my project.
Why are you growing canistel trees if you don't particularly like the fruit?
From what I understand via information from CRFG is that the Lucuma will grow in the Bay Area if you have a favorable microclimate. As for the rest of the family it is highly unlikely that they will work out well unless they are living in a "space station" environment with total climate control. The good news is the Abiu will bear in 3 or 4 years from a seed on fairly small plants so protection is easy. The Canistel will take longer and the tree will be larger before fruit comes.
Why do I grow things I do not care for? I'm not nuts about taro either but I collect all the traditional Hawaiian types I can find because we are 2500 miles from anywhere out here and the Polynesians lived on the stuff for thousands of years. Our remote location prompts me to grow many things that aren't my favorites out of a desire for sustainable food sources. The Egg fruit grows well here and it sells well in the market. I need income almost as much as I need food. The trees are also the mother plants for my nursery operation. I grow a lot of plants for sale that I don't really care for as long as others want them.
lucuma is so good. getting an actual tree is next to impossible...
what about kava? have you tried to grow kava yet?
super! Cool !
Thank you for watching
Hi Bill i live in california and i just saw you video and i like to now if you can sell to me same abui seeds and any other tropical fruit fresh that you have because i been buying some seeds but those where not fresh, can you tell me how i can contact you. thank you
My seeds are listed at www.greengardenservice.net Abiu is out of season and will remain so for the next couple months.
Hi Bill can I please buy 2 or 3 cuttings from you off this tree.
If you live in Hawaii you are welcome to drop by the nursery and buy potted trees. This plant doesn't reproduce from cuttings.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 ouch thanks for the knowledge. On that note can you please sell me some seeds off this variety. There isn't any on your website but I'm sure you have some around lol. This long nipple variety is very hard to come by.
@@MiamiRareFruitTrees The seeds are seasonal and can not be dried. I have to keep them in soil to keep them alive. Currently all seeds from the last crop have germinated and grown into trees. The trees crop twice each year. See is usually listed for about 4 to 6 months each year. The listing will return by Fall. Potted trees are the only thing I have currently.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 ok I'll wait on the next season.
@@MiamiRareFruitTrees They will becoming soon enough, stay tuned.
Those are huge🤙
Lucretia, yes, they are the largest I have ever seen. The flavor is also better than most. I grow a lot of tropical fruit trees from seeds because they are not hybridized. These Abiu came from seeds removed from fruit that was normal in all respects. At first I thought perhaps it is out deep soil and cool growing conditions but later other trees started to fruit from the same batch of seed and the fruit was normal sized. When you grow fruit trees from seeds you can end up with surprises like this.
Sell your seeds in Ebay I want to buy some
Sorry, right now I am not interested in starting an ebay presence but I will sell you some Abiu seeds if you like. Contact me at my email for more information. greengardenservice@yahoo.com
This specie more large its Is abiu ticuna. .froms here Brasil
This variety originated on my farm from seeds that came out of smaller Hawaiian grown Abiu. It might appear to be Abiu Ticuna but it does not originate from that variety. It needs a Hawaiian name. Aloha
Abiu aloha
Very good name. Good word Aloha, it says many things, hello, goodbye, welcome, and expresses the Hawaiian acceptance of differences. Aloha to you!
hey, i wonder can you send me some seeds? :)
Abiu seeds are listed for purchase at my website. www.greengardenservice.net
can you sell me some purple passion fruit seeds ?
Looks like I am out of the Purple seeds until 2018 crop. I have the yellow right now only.
Yes I can do that but not at this moment. The next crop of seed will come in early 2018. Check back around March.
GreenGardenGuy1 sure I will, qnd how long the passiflora edulis takes to fruit from seed ?
The timing is effected by climate but the purple is one of the earliest to mature to fruit. Usually 18 to 24 months is right. They seldom live beyond 6 years. Fast growing short lived vine.
GreenGardenGuy1 and it gives true from seed right ? I mean I don't mind some variations in growth habits or fruit size as long as it gives some fruits.
and should I wait until march for lilikois too ?
203 bridle path arcadia florida 34266 ..mail me some seeds
I have a few left in stock. They are listed at www.greengardenservice.net