@@Doty6String I'm not so familiar with Genelec. How'd you you say Genelec differs most from its competitors, sound-wise? Esp. regarding the Ones series...?
@@Tazmanian_Ninja well, for me the Gens are extremely dynamic, I can hear great dynamic detail for all situations. Eq wise I'd say the 3 way speakers (8341 etc) are a bit flatter than the 2 way, but, my 1032c's are just beasts. I can really hear the headroom in the speaker design which brings out tremendous detail. so you hear a bad mix right off the bat. similar to atc's, but the soundstage is smaller. compared to my focals they are way more crisp. the focals are nice, but very flattering to mixes. My friend has the 3 way Neumann speakers and I think they are very flat in eq but not as dynamic as the gens. I'd look at those as the best competitor Ive heard for my gens in the same price bracket.
I have a pair of these and they are quite nice. I had considered the next model up, but they would have been massive overkill for my room. Room correction can't do anything about cancellations. So the trick is to work your positioning to get as much of the deviations from flat in terms of build-ups as possible, which it can adjust for quite well. My small room is very well treated and with the correction system and careful positioning, it's amazingly flat. As you mentioned but maybe didn't fully expand on, the fact that they are coaxial and have no phase issues, you can have them far closer to you than you can a non-coaxial speaker. That's often an issue in small rooms. Non-coaxial speakers need a certain distance for the pressure wave from the multiple drivers to blend. Coaxials are blended to begin with. You can get these 8331's I think down to under half a meter. I replaced a set of (previous generation) A5X monitors, and they are a big step up from those. Though of course they definitely BETTER be for the price differential.
@@theshoemaker1 I'm using AES, and there's still a slight hissing noise when nothing is playing through the monitors, but it's much quieter than with many other monitors that have Class D amplifiers. It doesn’t bother me at all, whereas it did with other monitors, and I'm sitting less than a meter (about 3 feet) away.
I'm fortunate to have a pair of 8351B in my small mixing studio. The GLM system is pretty amazing by itself, but I'm also fortunate to have a Trinnov ST2 Pro. I first calibrated to room with the GLM system and then fed that into the Trinnov. It's magic. I'm not associated with either of those two companies, but I wholeheartedly recommend Genelec to everybody: they are an awesome company to work with. If you can scrape up the money, the Trinnov is a no brainer. With this type of setup, there is no need for any other monitors in the room. So, you can sell your old stuff and put that cash towards a set of Genelecs. Pretty sure you won't be disappointed. Note: make sure to get Genelecs that are GLM compatible.
Waiting for my 8351B's to arrive tomorrow. I ALSO own Dirac Live... I wonder if it is worth running that on top of the GLM DSP? Would be interesting to see what kind of measurements I get after GLM from within Dirac.
Thanks, you pretty much covered everything.I bought a pair of these plus a 10’’ sub, which I suggest, to anyone that wants to feel the low end and have better overall response in a small room.In my previous setup I had my mains with 8’ Woofer and when I added a 10’ sub and finally I could feel the bass in the listening position, 8’’ is not enough to judge the low end, at least in my experience. I have a small room, treated with very thick corner traps which I designed and built after extensive research, primary reflections treated just missing ceiling reflections, and all this treatment made already a substantial difference. The reason why I bought them (after reading reviews on sound on sound, audio science, among others, and listening) is that I know they’re suppose to minimize the room effects.So what I was looking for, was a speaker that what you listening is what you get ( specially the mid range ), mitigation of the phase between drivers, and very important transient response. As a side note, if you’re a beginner/ intermediate and want to buy a pair of speakers, save yourself a lot of frustration and get a copy of the book by Mike Senior, “ Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio”. Everything you must know about how to choose a pair of speakers is there together with independent measurements of some models.
Saying 8" isn't enough is an over-generalization and over-simplification. Depends on its xmax, enclosure topology, motor-system, amp, AND how well it couples to your room. That's not written to disqualify your findings though. I don't doubt they were true in your case, and I'm glad you found a way to get the bass you wanted 🔥🤗
You should still consider at least testing small stands for those Genelecs. The early reflections from your mixing table can still affect the audio when you have the speakers on top of the table. If I've understood correctly, optimal height would be to have the tweeter at the height of your earlobes. I'd also recommend trying to turn the speakers inward to point directly at your sitting position, possibly even towards a point a bit in front of you, and then do GLM calibration again. I think this makes the sweetspot even bigger.
I just got lucky and got a pair of new in the box Barefoot 01 for $1,300. and they are amazing, perfect for electronic music I believe. I always wanted a pair of Genelec, but the ones I want are just too expensive. But some day I will 🤔
Hopefully this video is a good starting point for your studio journey. A follow-up video regarding the Genelec 8331 is already planned. What do you want to know about the Genelec speakers?
I have had the HEDD Type 20 Mk 2s for two and a half years. I absolutely loved the sound and how my mixes translated, but unfortunately they broke on my twice. The first one, after a bit of back and forth replaced it free of charge, which was very generous. The second time they broke was just a few days ago, so I am not sure what will happen. Even though I loved the sound, I unfortunately lost faith in them due to their unreliability. I decided to invest in the Genelec 8341s. They are on their way. I am truly hoping they will be a monitor I can happily use for the next several decades.
@@phable I was doing string arranging, so no intense low frequencies or loud volume. I had probably been working for just 3 hours at that point. Then without any warning the left speaker stopped making sound and hasn't made sound since. Potentially it could have over heated and been damaged from that? It's definitely a bummer. I absolutely loved them, I even have the HEDDphones. I could just have very bad luck that two speakers went out, I'm not sure. But having two go out in less than 3 years is unfortunate.
@@ainnelrosirrosias3338 I am still waiting to hear back from HEDD about repairing it. Were able to fix it with a software update or reset or anything? For some reason I can't get it to connect to the update software via Ethernet on my M1 Mac.
Waiting for delivery of my 8351B's. Upgrading from 20 year old 8030A's, which have been amazing. Last year I added Dirac Live to my setup which breathed extra life into my 8030A's by extending the bass an octave lower (at the expense of headroom that I never needed anyway). But the 8351B's arrive tomorrow and I am very excited for. Probably going to be my last, or second to last ever studio monitors, so was OK with spending AUD $13k for them!
Just as an addition, I have to say that my 8030A's are 20 years old and have never skipped a beat. Also, they have been abused, dropped, played loud as party speakers, and hammered in my studio(s). It is truly great to have some electronic equipment that truly has lasted this long without a single fault.
A lot is due to calibration : when done right, an eq calibration starting from basse to midrange will clean up and open the treble sound, and the result is a sound that is comfortable and you can push the volume higher without any fatigue. Rooms all have modes due to their size and no amount of treatment can solve that. Speakers have limitations and no eq can solve all. But combining all can clean up a lot of problems and make sound clearer. When in doubt remove more : because each of the excesses are damaging multiple other parts of the sound, so it is better to lack some small parts, than having some resonances.
@@Tazmanian_Ninja Removing is always better than adding : this can be when doing EQ or when choosing high pass and low pass. When you have for example a speaker than has an F3 of say 80Hz : then pour a high slope high pass to 85Hz : the speakek will play a clear sounf and accept more power. Then use a subwoofer and probably position the low pass on it a little lower like 80Hz you create a micro hole in the spectrum, then focus on EQ the subwoofer in a way that will always substract, never boost. Then comparre the older approach to the new approach : I bet you will prefer the new sound.
As the Genelec system is kept in the digital domain from your PC DAW USB output, what is the best way to integrate external sound sources such as a hardware synthesiser?
that's the best option, a cheaper option which i have is Motu ultralite mk5 with genelec 8030c. I wouldn't mind having the RME one but that's $1700 compared to $650
Were the genelec / GLM your first introduction to room compensation EQ software? Or were you using software such as Sonarworks before? I'm asking because if you haven't tried them both you would not be comparing apples to apples.
I have used Sonarworks extensively (4-5 years). Apart from that the Neumann pendant and a little bit Trinnov. Mainly RoomEQ plus my own filter settings. Genelec is the most straight forward and I like the settings.
@@phable awesome! I actually bought sonarworks a few months ago because I felt it was the right first step before potentially upgrading to the genelec one speakers :) could you elaborate on how GLM compares to Sonarworks and Trinnov? 🙏🏻
I have one question regarding RME, I have an original ufx and was thinkig do I will have any of improvements if I will feed an Genelec’s (mine 8351a) with adi-2 pro fs or 2/4? And yes, I’m running it through AES/EBU? Maybe I need to switch to analog, to get better quality? (I’m happy with it, but you know, Genelec’s was quite an investment and ufx also, but it is ~10 years old?)
One thing about genelec speakers, the dynamics are off the charts. So much dynamic detail.
You ain't heard transients until you've heard some ATC monitors, buddy 😎
By comparison Genelec's are like toothless tigers.
@@Tazmanian_Ninja CORRECT! ATC's are in a different league. I have a lot of experience listening on ATC's. out of my price range (for now)
@@Doty6String Well, they're within reach for me. But outside the range of what I'm willing to spend. Same goes for Ex Machina.
So I can relate! 🤗
@@Doty6String I'm not so familiar with Genelec. How'd you you say Genelec differs most from its competitors, sound-wise? Esp. regarding the Ones series...?
@@Tazmanian_Ninja well, for me the Gens are extremely dynamic, I can hear great dynamic detail for all situations. Eq wise I'd say the 3 way speakers (8341 etc) are a bit flatter than the 2 way, but, my 1032c's are just beasts. I can really hear the headroom in the speaker design which brings out tremendous detail. so you hear a bad mix right off the bat. similar to atc's, but the soundstage is smaller. compared to my focals they are way more crisp. the focals are nice, but very flattering to mixes. My friend has the 3 way Neumann speakers and I think they are very flat in eq but not as dynamic as the gens. I'd look at those as the best competitor Ive heard for my gens in the same price bracket.
I have a pair of these and they are quite nice. I had considered the next model up, but they would have been massive overkill for my room. Room correction can't do anything about cancellations. So the trick is to work your positioning to get as much of the deviations from flat in terms of build-ups as possible, which it can adjust for quite well. My small room is very well treated and with the correction system and careful positioning, it's amazingly flat.
As you mentioned but maybe didn't fully expand on, the fact that they are coaxial and have no phase issues, you can have them far closer to you than you can a non-coaxial speaker. That's often an issue in small rooms. Non-coaxial speakers need a certain distance for the pressure wave from the multiple drivers to blend. Coaxials are blended to begin with. You can get these 8331's I think down to under half a meter.
I replaced a set of (previous generation) A5X monitors, and they are a big step up from those. Though of course they definitely BETTER be for the price differential.
How about hissing noise? Can you hear it nearfield in quite room when music doesn't play?
@@theshoemaker1 I'm using AES, and there's still a slight hissing noise when nothing is playing through the monitors, but it's much quieter than with many other monitors that have Class D amplifiers. It doesn’t bother me at all, whereas it did with other monitors, and I'm sitting less than a meter (about 3 feet) away.
I'm fortunate to have a pair of 8351B in my small mixing studio. The GLM system is pretty amazing by itself, but I'm also fortunate to have a Trinnov ST2 Pro.
I first calibrated to room with the GLM system and then fed that into the Trinnov. It's magic.
I'm not associated with either of those two companies, but I wholeheartedly recommend Genelec to everybody: they are an awesome company to work with.
If you can scrape up the money, the Trinnov is a no brainer.
With this type of setup, there is no need for any other monitors in the room. So, you can sell your old stuff and put that cash towards a set of Genelecs. Pretty sure you won't be disappointed. Note: make sure to get Genelecs that are GLM compatible.
Hows dynaudio air20 in comparison.. getting a good deal used..is it worth it in a small room?
Wish I had an answer for you, but I've never owned or been in a studio with Dynaudio.
Waiting for my 8351B's to arrive tomorrow. I ALSO own Dirac Live... I wonder if it is worth running that on top of the GLM DSP? Would be interesting to see what kind of measurements I get after GLM from within Dirac.
Please, make a whole studio tour!
Sure!
Thanks, you pretty much covered everything.I bought a pair of these plus a 10’’ sub, which I suggest, to anyone that wants to feel the low end and have better overall response in a small room.In my previous setup I had my mains with 8’ Woofer and when I added a 10’ sub and finally I could feel the bass in the listening position, 8’’ is not enough to judge the low end, at least in my experience.
I have a small room, treated with very thick corner traps which I designed and built after extensive research, primary reflections treated just missing ceiling reflections, and all this treatment made already a substantial difference.
The reason why I bought them (after reading reviews on sound on sound, audio science, among others, and listening) is that I know they’re suppose to minimize the room effects.So what I was looking for, was a speaker that what you listening is what you get ( specially the mid range ), mitigation of the phase between drivers, and very important transient response.
As a side note, if you’re a beginner/ intermediate and want to buy a pair of speakers, save yourself a lot of frustration and get a copy of the book by Mike Senior, “ Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio”. Everything you must know about how to choose a pair of speakers is there together with independent measurements of some models.
Thanks for the great book suggestion! Never heard of it.
You’re welcome.Always a pleasure to check your videos.
@@DubFreakuencies thank you :)
Saying 8" isn't enough is an over-generalization and over-simplification.
Depends on its xmax, enclosure topology, motor-system, amp, AND how well it couples to your room.
That's not written to disqualify your findings though. I don't doubt they were true in your case, and I'm glad you found a way to get the bass you wanted 🔥🤗
You should still consider at least testing small stands for those Genelecs. The early reflections from your mixing table can still affect the audio when you have the speakers on top of the table. If I've understood correctly, optimal height would be to have the tweeter at the height of your earlobes.
I'd also recommend trying to turn the speakers inward to point directly at your sitting position, possibly even towards a point a bit in front of you, and then do GLM calibration again. I think this makes the sweetspot even bigger.
I just got lucky and got a pair of new in the box Barefoot 01 for $1,300. and they are amazing, perfect for electronic music I believe. I always wanted a pair of Genelec, but the ones I want are just too expensive. But some day I will 🤔
Wow, what a great deal! At some point, compare them head to head :)
Hopefully this video is a good starting point for your studio journey. A follow-up video regarding the Genelec 8331 is already planned. What do you want to know about the Genelec speakers?
man i used to have 8341, the coaxial driver had lots of benefits but was missin sth too. r u feedin the speaker digitally?
@@musicxtech6680 What were they missing, you think?
I have had the HEDD Type 20 Mk 2s for two and a half years. I absolutely loved the sound and how my mixes translated, but unfortunately they broke on my twice. The first one, after a bit of back and forth replaced it free of charge, which was very generous. The second time they broke was just a few days ago, so I am not sure what will happen.
Even though I loved the sound, I unfortunately lost faith in them due to their unreliability. I decided to invest in the Genelec 8341s. They are on their way. I am truly hoping they will be a monitor I can happily use for the next several decades.
Sorry to hear that. Really enjoy the Type 20. Can you tell me more about the second malfunction?
@@phable I was doing string arranging, so no intense low frequencies or loud volume. I had probably been working for just 3 hours at that point. Then without any warning the left speaker stopped making sound and hasn't made sound since. Potentially it could have over heated and been damaged from that? It's definitely a bummer. I absolutely loved them, I even have the HEDDphones.
I could just have very bad luck that two speakers went out, I'm not sure. But having two go out in less than 3 years is unfortunate.
@@phable Yeah i´m wondering to mine have been perfect..
Did u get it fixed? I had same problem. Its the dsp. Cheers.
@@ainnelrosirrosias3338 I am still waiting to hear back from HEDD about repairing it. Were able to fix it with a software update or reset or anything? For some reason I can't get it to connect to the update software via Ethernet on my M1 Mac.
Waiting for delivery of my 8351B's. Upgrading from 20 year old 8030A's, which have been amazing. Last year I added Dirac Live to my setup which breathed extra life into my 8030A's by extending the bass an octave lower (at the expense of headroom that I never needed anyway). But the 8351B's arrive tomorrow and I am very excited for. Probably going to be my last, or second to last ever studio monitors, so was OK with spending AUD $13k for them!
Just as an addition, I have to say that my 8030A's are 20 years old and have never skipped a beat. Also, they have been abused, dropped, played loud as party speakers, and hammered in my studio(s). It is truly great to have some electronic equipment that truly has lasted this long without a single fault.
A very honest review, thanks!
Hopefully I could help you out :)
Good review
Thank you :)
A lot is due to calibration : when done right, an eq calibration starting from basse to midrange will clean up and open the treble sound, and the result is a sound that is comfortable and you can push the volume higher without any fatigue. Rooms all have modes due to their size and no amount of treatment can solve that. Speakers have limitations and no eq can solve all. But combining all can clean up a lot of problems and make sound clearer. When in doubt remove more : because each of the excesses are damaging multiple other parts of the sound, so it is better to lack some small parts, than having some resonances.
"Remove more" what?
@@Tazmanian_Ninja Removing is always better than adding : this can be when doing EQ or when choosing high pass and low pass. When you have for example a speaker than has an F3 of say 80Hz : then pour a high slope high pass to 85Hz : the speakek will play a clear sounf and accept more power. Then use a subwoofer and probably position the low pass on it a little lower like 80Hz you create a micro hole in the spectrum, then focus on EQ the subwoofer in a way that will always substract, never boost. Then comparre the older approach to the new approach : I bet you will prefer the new sound.
Nice
Thanks :)
As the Genelec system is kept in the digital domain from your PC DAW USB output, what is the best way to integrate external sound sources such as a hardware synthesiser?
There are many ways. I’m using my RME interface.
Cool! Looking for speakers to work in my small room circa 3x3m. How large is your room?
Mine is roughly 5*3m. Hence the Genelecs will work in your room!
@@phable I checked my file to be safe and it’s actually 207cm x 237cm 😅
@@alumenyame8351 hahaha, that will work as well. Don't forget to get GLM Kit. Room Correction is huge!
Does your room have much acoustic treatment?
At this point: no, because it’s still my living room. My main studio however has proper acoustic treatment.
Hi, thanks for the video!! Sorry for a stupid question, but what do you think about the idea of using beolab 8 as a monitor speakers?
They look stunning, but I‘ve never tested them out.
Any comment on how the genelecs perform when backed up close to the wall versus further away from the wall?
No problem at all. GLM can handle the bass energy. In fact, they actually are designed to be placed directly in front of the wall.
What interface do you recommend for the Genelecs in a small desktop setup, perhaps the RME Fireface UCX II Audio Interface?
that's the best option, a cheaper option which i have is Motu ultralite mk5 with genelec 8030c. I wouldn't mind having the RME one but that's $1700 compared to $650
Were the genelec / GLM your first introduction to room compensation EQ software? Or were you using software such as Sonarworks before? I'm asking because if you haven't tried them both you would not be comparing apples to apples.
I have used Sonarworks extensively (4-5 years). Apart from that the Neumann pendant and a little bit Trinnov. Mainly RoomEQ plus my own filter settings. Genelec is the most straight forward and I like the settings.
@@phable awesome! I actually bought sonarworks a few months ago because I felt it was the right first step before potentially upgrading to the genelec one speakers :) could you elaborate on how GLM compares to Sonarworks and Trinnov? 🙏🏻
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I have one question regarding RME, I have an original ufx and was thinkig do I will have any of improvements if I will feed an Genelec’s (mine 8351a) with adi-2 pro fs or 2/4? And yes, I’m running it through AES/EBU? Maybe I need to switch to analog, to get better quality? (I’m happy with it, but you know, Genelec’s was quite an investment and ufx also, but it is ~10 years old?)
Since the conversion is happening inside the Genelecs, any AES connection will suit you well. No need to upgrade :)
@@phable thanks a lot!
Did you get your GRADE report?
Not yet :)
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Do you need a sub with these?
Not really
I thought the same. But when I get 7350 to my 8330 pair sound has reached a new level
Just found out your channel! Adi 2/4 pro user from RME! haha
The secret weapon, that is not so secret anymore, haha
I Hope you enjoy the ADI-2/4
Neumann KH 120 ii with a KH 750 sub is the correct answer if listening AND money are considered ✌️
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