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So glad we can help you in your studies. Next week one of the videos is on Landlords Electrical Certificates and the new law, so this should help too. Lots more to come and thanks for watching. Dave.
Yes a very good video and need our code explained like you do. But we have a clause that says discretion of the electrical inspector. Maybe we all will be on the same page some day. Thanks.
I’m not an electrician,I speak with electricians on a daily basis, the amount of qualified electricians who believe a wall mounted light switch more than 0.6m away from the the bath or shower within the bathroom is prohibited. Great videos, Dave, if RCD protected etc , why is there such reluctance within the industry. Good practice not being a reason ?
Awesome video, really helpful. From this then, I can install an electric towel rail and towel rail controller (IPx4) next to my basin, as its over 0.6m away from thr edge of the bath?
Great video as always. But you need to update it, In regards socket outlets, has now been changed from 3m from the edge of the Barth to 2.5m , AM 2 BS7671 now permits 230v socket outlets to be installed in bathroom’s and must be no less than 2.5m from the outside edge of the bath/ shower tray and yes must be protected by a 30ma RCD or RCBO. But in fairness how many domestic bathrooms are big enough to allow for socket outlets to be installed? Not very many. If I measure 2.5m from the edge of my shower tray I will be in the centre of my daughter’s bedroom. So in the real world don’t install socket outlets in bathrooms. Also I believe it’s a silly regulation as we are allowed to have a single socket outlet directly behind a cooker alongside the cooker connection unit, and we can have a single socket under the kitchen worktop behind the washing machine to power the washing machine/dishwasher. Still a great video though as always 👍
Very useful - many thanks. Would a bathroom circuit (lighting) NEED to be upgraded to an RCD protected circuit if it is ‘historical / 40 yrs old’ in order to pass a 5yearly safety inspection? Thanks.
Thanks Andy. No need to make them RCD protected IF the lighting circuit is still as installed to 14th/15th Edition AND it is still functioning as intended AND it is still electrically safe. You should get a Code C3 - improvement recommended but that is advisory and not a must do. However, nowadays, it is always good sense to RCD protect bathroom lighting if it has exposed metallic parts and can be touched whilst standing on the bathroom floor. But that is the householders choice. Hope this helps, Dave.
Brilliant video again dave 👍👍 would you do a video on earth leakage if it’s a topic big enough to do, I keep hearing sparks bring it up and would love to understand what it means etc 👍👍
Our pleasure. The more folk that know about the channel, the more ideas we get asked about so it all helps. Landlord Electrical Certificates on Monday as the new law takes effect in a week.
Steve, the Regs say that the manufacturer's instruction must state that it is suitable for zone 1 (page 244 of brown book). IP65 is better than Ipx4 and I would guess the manufacturer approves it for zone 1. Dave.
The fixed water outlet for a wet room is the plug hole where the water drains away. That is the centre of the 1.2m circle radius. A shower cubicle is not the same as a wet room as it has a clearly defined edge, the shower door or shower curtain. Yes, you could have just a shower head with a flexible hose.
Yes, absolutely. In the voice over for Zone 1 we do say that an IPX4 electric shower is permitted in zone 1. To be honest , I've yet to come across a shower that isn''t IPX4 if it is installed correctly. Thanks for watching, hope you are enjoying the videos. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thanks Dave, yes your videos are excellent. In the video it does say IPX4 is permitted in zone 1 but it also says it has to be selv or pelv. I read it as, it has to be both IPX4 and, selv or pelv. Or is it the case just IPX4 by itself is sufficient for zone 1?
Yes in zone 1 only selv/pelv for switchgear, accessories and equipment. However electric showers are one of the 230V permitted exceptions in the Regulations as long as they are permanently connected, IPX4 and installed as per manufacturer's instructions. What it means is that you can't take your 230V radio into zone 1, place it on top of the shower unit and have yourself a shower. And yes, I have seen this done. Dave.
If the 230 volts cables and connections etc. are outside the zone yes, i.e. behind the tiled wall, into the loft cavity. An IP44 bathroom extractor fan meets the IPX4 requirements. Mount it higher than the shower head and positioned so that spray from the shower is minimal.
Lee, the arrows and zones are correct. Zone two is up to 0.6 m from the edge of zone 1 Outside the zones is 3m from the edge of zone 1 Thanks for watching. Dave
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There are many videos on many electrical topics including Installation, Part P, 18th Edition, Testing, Certification, Lighting, Sockets, Ring Circuits and much more.
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Another example, right here with this video. Clear, concise and perfectly delivered. Thanks.
That's nice of you to say John. We all have a common interest in passing on knowledge. Thanks. Dave.
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Nice of you to say, appreciated, thank you. Dave.
Had could anyone give a thumbs down for this video? Very informative and easy to understand....brilliant Dave,well done!
Thank you Gary. Onward and upward. Dave.
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Thank you Dennis, what great feedback and really appreciated. Lots more to come. Dave.
Comprehensive and well explained. Thanks
Super feedback. Thanks.
Love this video, very useful for my level 3 installation.
So glad we can help you in your studies. Next week one of the videos is on Landlords Electrical Certificates and the new law, so this should help too. Lots more to come and thanks for watching. Dave.
Yes a very good video and need our code explained like you do. But we have a clause that says discretion of the electrical inspector. Maybe we all will be on the same page some day. Thanks.
Thanks Lyle. Yes, one day. appreciate your feedback. Dave.
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Thanks Abreham. Thanks for supporting the channel. Dave.
Thank you for your valuable video.
Great comment, I like it. Thanks. Dave.
Again, another quality video on an oft misunderstood subject-nice one.
Thanks Andy, great feedback. Dave.
I’m not an electrician,I speak with electricians on a daily basis, the amount of qualified electricians who believe a wall mounted light switch more than 0.6m away from the the bath or shower within the bathroom is prohibited. Great videos, Dave, if RCD protected etc , why is there such reluctance within the industry. Good practice not being a reason ?
A lot of it goes back to learning stopping when college days stop.
Always keep learning Mike, add to your knowledge often.
Awesome video, really helpful.
From this then, I can install an electric towel rail and towel rail controller (IPx4) next to my basin, as its over 0.6m away from thr edge of the bath?
Take a look at this video on the latest Regs for bathrooms. Dave.
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Great video as always.
But you need to update it,
In regards socket outlets, has now been changed from 3m from the edge of the Barth to 2.5m , AM 2 BS7671 now permits 230v socket outlets to be installed in bathroom’s and must be no less than 2.5m from the outside edge of the bath/ shower tray and yes must be protected by a 30ma RCD or RCBO.
But in fairness how many domestic bathrooms are big enough to allow for socket outlets to be installed? Not very many. If I measure 2.5m from the edge of my shower tray I will be in the centre of my daughter’s bedroom. So in the real world don’t install socket outlets in bathrooms. Also I believe it’s a silly regulation as we are allowed to have a single socket outlet directly behind a cooker alongside the cooker connection unit, and we can have a single socket under the kitchen worktop behind the washing machine to power the washing machine/dishwasher.
Still a great video though as always 👍
It has been updated Sean, but thanks for the reminder about this older video. Dave.
Very useful
Thanks a lot, much appreciated.
Hi Dave, so I could install a wall mounted shower switch outside of zone 2.
A switch yes, sockets no, unless they are more than 2.5 metres from Zone 1. Thanks for watching.
Many thanks dave
Thanks for watching, appreciated.
So, in theory, you could put a 230V ceiling extraction fan directly about the shower if the ceiling is high enough to not be in zone 1?
That's right Bob. All we are doing is stopping ordinary people of ordinary height from touching electric parts when taking a shower.
Very good. Thank you.
Thanks for the feedback Mark, always welcome. Dave.
Very useful - many thanks. Would a bathroom circuit (lighting) NEED to be upgraded to an RCD protected circuit if it is ‘historical / 40 yrs old’ in order to pass a 5yearly safety inspection? Thanks.
Thanks Andy. No need to make them RCD protected IF the lighting circuit is still as installed to 14th/15th Edition AND it is still functioning as intended AND it is still electrically safe.
You should get a Code C3 - improvement recommended but that is advisory and not a must do. However, nowadays, it is always good sense to RCD protect bathroom lighting if it has exposed metallic parts and can be touched whilst standing on the bathroom floor. But that is the householders choice.
Hope this helps, Dave.
Excellent video, thanks . What about Jacuzzi bath which has shower aswell on the top. Where do you make connections for Jacuzzi ?
Treat the Jacuzzi as a bath, it is after all a tub of water and a bath tub can have a shower over the top too. Thanks for the positive comments.
Nice video, very useful informations..
Thanks for the positive comment. Glad you like the videos and lots more to come. Dave.
Excellent sir
Much appreciated comments. Lots more videos on the way, spread the word. Dave.
Great informative video. From this I assume a wall mounted dimmer switch (IP 67 rated) outside zone 1 would be permitted . Am I correct?
No. It is 230 volts and must be beyond zone 2. i.e outside the zones.
Thanks for your response.. yes of course outside Zone 2.. really great channel .. thanks again
You're welcome. Dave.
Brilliant video again dave 👍👍 would you do a video on earth leakage if it’s a topic big enough to do, I keep hearing sparks bring it up and would love to understand what it means etc 👍👍
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, why not, I've put earth leakage onto the list for future videos. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 great stuff look forward to it 😊 👍
Our pleasure. The more folk that know about the channel, the more ideas we get asked about so it all helps. Landlord Electrical Certificates on Monday as the new law takes effect in a week.
3:00. You state that any lighting in zone 1 must be ipx4 and be selv or pelv 25v ac / 60v dc. So a 240v ip65 light can't go into zone 1?
Steve, the Regs say that the manufacturer's instruction must state that it is suitable for zone 1 (page 244 of brown book). IP65 is better than Ipx4 and I would guess the manufacturer approves it for zone 1. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thanks for the clarification! Love your video's! They're a great help!
Thank you!!
You are very welcome. Thank you. Dave.
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Thank you Albert, appreciated. Dave.
Fixed water outlet- is a shower unit not a shower head with flexible hose ? Am I correct
The fixed water outlet for a wet room is the plug hole where the water drains away. That is the centre of the 1.2m circle radius. A shower cubicle is not the same as a wet room as it has a clearly defined edge, the shower door or shower curtain. Yes, you could have just a shower head with a flexible hose.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thanks👍
You are welcome. Thanks for viewing.
Is a 230V electric shower with IPX4 in zone 1 permitted? The video says only selv or pelv is permitted. Thanks.
Yes, absolutely. In the voice over for Zone 1 we do say that an IPX4 electric shower is permitted in zone 1. To be honest , I've yet to come across a shower that isn''t IPX4 if it is installed correctly.
Thanks for watching, hope you are enjoying the videos. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thanks Dave, yes your videos are excellent. In the video it does say IPX4 is permitted in zone 1 but it also says it has to be selv or pelv. I read it as, it has to be both IPX4 and, selv or pelv. Or is it the case just IPX4 by itself is sufficient for zone 1?
Yes in zone 1 only selv/pelv for switchgear, accessories and equipment. However electric showers are one of the 230V permitted exceptions in the Regulations as long as they are permanently connected, IPX4 and installed as per manufacturer's instructions.
What it means is that you can't take your 230V radio into zone 1, place it on top of the shower unit and have yourself a shower. And yes, I have seen this done.
Dave.
Can you fit 230v ip44 extract fan in zone 1
If the 230 volts cables and connections etc. are outside the zone yes, i.e. behind the tiled wall, into the loft cavity. An IP44 bathroom extractor fan meets the IPX4 requirements. Mount it higher than the shower head and positioned so that spray from the shower is minimal.
👍 thanks for the reply
You are very welcome Gary.
Brilliant
Thank you Ajmal. Glad you found it useful. Much more to come. Dave.
Watch your video back the zones and 3M rule contradict themselves and arrows incorrect
Lee, the arrows and zones are correct.
Zone two is up to 0.6 m from the edge of zone 1
Outside the zones is 3m from the edge of zone 1
Thanks for watching.
Dave
@@learnelectrics4402 thanks but you state that 3m from where zone 2 ends and it shows arrow from zone 1 ending 5:00 in video